Inside Marketing with MarketSurge

🚀 What does flying Apache helicopters have to do with building the digital backbone of the U.S. cannabis industry?
More than you think.
In this episode, Reed Hansen sits down with Socrates Rosenfeld, CEO & Co-Founder of Jane Technologies (iHeartJane) — the platform quietly powering the majority of legal cannabis transactions in the United States.
From Army combat veteran to MIT MBA to cannabis tech pioneer, Socrates shares how discipline, mission clarity, and human-centered leadership helped Jane scale across 39+ states with 13 software patents and millions of SKUs.
This isn’t just a cannabis conversation.
It’s about:
  • Building infrastructure in highly regulated industries
  • Creating moats with clean data
  • AI-powered personalization at scale
  • And why complexity is often the opportunity
💡 What You’ll Learn:
  • The leadership frameworks Socrates brought from the military into startups
  • Why cannabis may be the most complex retail environment in the world
  • How Jane built a master catalog of millions of SKUs (and why that matters for AI)
  • The “Spotify Effect” of commerce personalization
  • Why infrastructure > middleman in regulated industries
  • What the future of digital + brick-and-mortar retail looks like
🧠 Big Takeaways for Founders & Marketers
✅ If it’s hard, lean into it — that’s where your moat lives
 ✅ AI is only as powerful as your dataset
 ✅ Shared “why” beats top-down execution
 ✅ Clean attribution > spray-and-pray marketing
 ✅ Regulated industries are innovation incubators
🔗 Connect with Socrates Rosenfeld & Jane Technologies
🌐 Website: https://www.iheartjane.com
📩 Email: info@iheartjane.com
🔎 LinkedIn: Search “Socrates Rosenfeld”
📱 Social: @iheartjane on LinkedIn, Facebook & Instagram
📈 Want to Grow Smarter, Faster, and Louder?
At MarketSurge, we help businesses build scalable marketing systems that actually convert — using automation, AI, and CRM tools that work together.
🌐 Website: https://marketsurge.io
📘 Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100035121171654
💼 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/marketsurgeio
🐦 X / Twitter: https://x.com/marketsurging
🎙️ Podcast: https://marketsurge.transistor.fm/
📅 Book a Strategy Call:
https://link.marketsurge.io/widget/bookings/marketsurge/demozvwcxw
🎧 Subscribe to Inside Marketing with MarketSurge for unfiltered conversations with the entrepreneurs, technologists, and operators shaping the future of business.

Creators and Guests

Host
Reed Hansen
Reed Hansen is a seasoned digital marketing executive with a proven track record of driving business growth through innovative strategies. As the Chief Growth Officer at MarketSurge, he focuses on leveraging AI-powered marketing tools to help businesses scale efficiently. Reed's expertise spans from leading startups to Fortune 500 companies, making him a recognized authority in the digital marketing space. His unique ability to combine data-driven insights with creative solutions has been instrumental in achieving remarkable sales growth for his clients. ​

What is Inside Marketing with MarketSurge?

Welcome to Inside Marketing with MarketSurge — your front-row seat to the boldest business insights, marketing breakthroughs, and entrepreneurial real talk.

Hosted by Reed Hansen, Chief Growth Officer at MarketSurge and a digital marketing veteran who's helped scale everything from scrappy startups to Fortune 500 giants, this podcast dives deep into what’s really moving the needle in today’s marketing world. Find us at Marketsurge.io

Each week, we’ll break down the latest marketing and business news (minus the fluff), explore tech trends you actually need to know, and feature unfiltered conversations with the most interesting minds in entrepreneurship and marketing.

Whether you're a founder, a marketer, or just a curious hustler looking to level up, this is where growth happens—loudly, smartly, and with just the right amount of sass.

Subscribe, tune in, and let’s scale something legendary. 🚀

Speaker: Welcome to Inside
Marketing With Market Surge.

Your front row seat to the
boldest ideas and smartest

strategies in the marketing game.

Your host is Reed Hansen, chief
Growth Officer at Market Surge.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Hello
and welcome back to Inside

Marketing with Market Surge.

Today's guest is Socrates Rosenfeld,
CEO, and co-founder of Jane Technologies,

the platform quietly powering the
majority of all legal cannabis

transactions in the United States.

SOC is a rare brand of operator,
technologist, and mission-driven founder.

He's a US Army combat veteran.

Former Apache helicopter commander,
who after returning to civilian

life, experienced firsthand how
broken and opaque cannabis access

was, especially for veterans.

That frustration became
the spark for Jane.

launching in 2017, Jane has grown
into the leading digi digital

infrastructure for the cannabis
industry, serving thousands of

dispensaries and brands across 39 states.

Solutions span, e-commerce, AI powered
personalization, payments, analytics, and

consumer discovery 13 software patents.

Very impressive.

And a product suite that is like Shopify
meets Amazon more so than weed tech.

Janus set the standard for how
regulated commerce can still be

seamless, personal and scalable.

So's got an impressive background.

I noted you.

I have a MBA from MIT.

You've worked for McKinsey.

And have achieved some recognition
in Forbes and Deloitte.

And today we're gonna dig into what
this all means and what other businesses

can take away from this learning.

And just learn a little bit more about
this industry and Jane Technologies.

Thanks for joining.

Socrates: Thanks so

much, Reid.

Appreciate the intro and I'm also
curious about what this all means.

So excited to dive in with you man.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Awesome.

so You know, in the intro I mentioned
you have been flying Apache helicopters.

In your military service, you jumped
to building core infrastructure

for the cannabis industry,
which is highly regulated.

You know, the highly regulated
thing caught my eyes.

Maybe that's a synergy
that works, but also it's.

I'm sure there's some culture of a
little bit more, a little bit more

relaxed culture in this industry than
military, but what do you think are

some of the largest, similarities and
differences between those two fields?

Socrates: The differences
are fairly obvious.

I don't think, and this is myself
being included, would anyone would

wanna see me behind the controls
from an Apache helicopter these days?

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Let's.

Socrates: If you see me on the
road, I'm, I'm driving at the

speed limit and anything above
that's too dangerous for me.

So these days I like to play it safe.

I think the, the, another big difference
between the military environment and

the startup environment is particularly
in cannabis, is that the military

has protocol and procedure and
process and checklists for literally.

Everything like down to how you wear your
boots, there is a standard, and so when

you're unsure or uncertain, you just have
to know the reference, and you go and

you, you look at it and the army will tell
you what the standard is to do this task.

In the startup world, again, particularly
in this nascent industry that is cannabis,

the majority of the time,
there is no template.

There is no roadmap.

There is no standard,
and you're on your own.

And as daunting as that can be for
someone who's used to operating in

a very standardized environment,
it was very liberating reed.

And at the same time,
it was also terrifying.

And so you learn how to calibrate that.

And now I realize that for me, unknowns.

That's where all the fun is and
the moment something's known.

Okay, now you can go and set a process
and procedure and and, and standardize

that and go, but I like the unknown piece.

In terms of similarities, at the end of
the day, whether you are leading people

in the army, leading people at McKinsey,
talking to run you, running your own

podcast or leading a software company in
cannabis, it's a human connection and.

The ability to connect first with
yourself, your human self, meaning

giving yourself the grace to feel
feelings giving yourself the grace to

make mistakes to acknowledge when things
are hard to acknowledge, when things

are frustrating in yourself First.

I think it's something that came
to me a little bit too late in

the army and something that I'm
really leaning into here at Jane.

Uh, but my love for creating space for
people to grow and connect, not only

with themselves, but with each other.

I think that is a similarity that carries
forward from the military to Jane and

hopefully to other parts of my career and
future is that human to human interaction.

And, um, I've learned
some principles there.

I'm happy to get into when appropriate,
read that I, I learned in the military and

can, and have applied that here to Jane
and that's made a huge difference to me.

So the human piece is,
is really consistent.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: That's awesome.

Actually I would be interested, you know,
so are there, have there been frameworks?

You're an MBA too.

I, so I use the term frameworks

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Mom spaghetti.

But have you taken some
of those frameworks

Socrates: Yes,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: military
life and, decision processing?

Socrates: Yes,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge:
up in running Jane?

Socrates: yes.

Here are some frameworks I've taken.

Um,

you identify the what, meaning
you set the vision as a leader.

But it's not, once you set that
vision, you no longer own that vision.

It's owned by the entire company.

And so anybody from the CEO down to
your junior salesperson or engineer

should know why they're doing what
they're doing in the military.

That was very, very important.

If I talk to my crew chiefs.

I would ask them, Hey, do you know
why you're changing out this engine?

And they really weren't able
to, uh, communicate that.

The task itself gets pretty mundane and
the task itself, then you start looking

at like, okay, when can I get this done?

What's the least amount of output
that I need to just to check

the box and get outta here?

But if you can really distribute the why.

Allow everybody in the organization to
feel like they have ownership over that.

Why now you can mobilize
and do great things.

You can see that here,

at a broader scale.

When societies lose sight of
why they're doing what they're

doing, people will often just.

Gravitate towards the lowest common
denominator and do what's the

least amount they need to do, just
so they don't get yelled at or in

trouble, or they get their paycheck

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Right.

Socrates: at Jane.

And in some of the great units that
I was fortunately able to be a part

of in the Army, that why was shared.

I also think along those the same lines,
really, one of the biggest takeaways

was to do something on your own.

Is very limiting and very scary.

But if you can do it together,
you can go and do things that were

otherwise perceived to be impossible.

And that element of team, you know, we
did some scary things in the Army, but

not once did I ever feel like I was alone.

We do some

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Socrates: scary things at Jane.

Different kinds of scary, not life or
death, building a business is intense.

To take different shots, to take risks,
to touch the truth, to go where it's hard.

If I felt like I was just
a founder by myself, man, I

would've quit a long time ago.

Since day one, I've had some
incredible teammates around me and

that team has grown since then.

And that's where we're able to take bigger
shots, do harder things, and it's really,

you can map it back to the fact that.

People understand that there's
a shared why and they understand

that they're not alone.

And if those two things are
prevalent and at the surface, that

organization can move mountains.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: That's awesome.

Well, very, inspirational.

If anything, the now you're
working in an industry that is.

Super highly regulated.

And also there's it varies state by state,

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: and
you've got a lot of different laws

and regulations to comply with.

What would you say that most
founders may not realize when

it comes to building a business,
building a software business in this

Socrates: Great question.

I think a lot of the shortcomings
that I've observed and tried to

avoid, can't avoid 'em all is when.

Founders or technology companies come in,
look at what's going on in other verticals

and we'll just copy that, template
it and try to push it into cannabis.

That is not going to be a
successful playbook because

cannabis, and I can say this.

With some level of certainty here
that this is the most complex retail

environment in the world, period.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Is.

Socrates: Um, you see a lot of
companies try to replicate technology

coming out of the restaurant industry,
which is understandable, right?

You think fragmentation inability to
ship direct to consumer on demand.

That those, that, from that
perspective, it looks very similar,

but if you think about how people
order their food versus how they

order a CPG item is very different.

I know you're in Chicago Reed, but if you
came visit me in Santa Cruz and you wanted

to eat some Mexican food, I wouldn't say,
Hey, here's, you know, uh, chicken mole.

Which one has the best
chicken moley around?

You'd be like, oh, let's start
with that Mexican restaurant.

That's by my hotel, or
It's got the best ratings.

Now let's go into the menu items.

And those menu items never change.

So you can create a templated
technology and and try to apply that

to other quick service restaurants.

But the way cannabis looks is number one.

People very rarely stop,
say, you know what?

I wanna buy from this store as, and
I'm talking like CPG in general.

Thing about the last time you bought
anything on Amazon or you looked

for something on Google, you were
like, Hey, I want this product.

And to be able to tie a single product
across thousands and thousands of

different retailers across many different
states, those products are represented

differently across each retailer.

Things get very complicated very quickly,
and we had to, from day one, embrace that.

As refreshing as that was Reid,
it was like, dang, this would

be a whole lot easier if this
was a bunch of McDonald's menus.

It's not.

So what do we need to do?

Okay, we need to build a master catalog.

Then we need to build machine
learning and artificial intelligence.

We were doing this 10 years ago that can
locate this one individual skew across

every state market, across every retailer.

And then from there, now you can create a
shopping experience that looks and feels

like any other product on the internet.

So I think that's been a big aha
moment for us, and I think for a lot

of other technology companies is that
if you want to enter into the cannabis

space, you're building things bespoke.

But here's the, here's the interesting
kind of wrinkle to that Reed is

now, and you had mentioned in the
introduction that we have some deep

IP and some patents to our name.

Well, now we're like
groceries, same thing.

Convenience goods, same thing.

Pharmaceuticals, same thing.

Pet food, everything like, oh.

Could I have an Amazon like shopping
experience except unlike order,

unlike Amazon where I have to order
from Amazon and get shipped to me

can actually push that value into
the local brick and mortar ecosystem.

That is what we're creating and
it's really cool that it's being

born from the cannabis industry
and not the other way around.

So we're kind of flipping it.

We're not taking anything from the
outside trying to jam it in here.

We're actually inventing and using
cannabis as an incubator and taking that

IP to other retail verticals and, and
Jane is not the only one doing that there.

There are many examples of other
tech companies that are taking their

IP outside of the cannabis space.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay your
your IP or software is primarily.

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: wrong,
this is just my understanding is

primarily infrastructure to support
like front end, applications.

So many consumers may not actually
realize that you're behind the scenes,

driving this is, was that always the
plan or did, do you have intent to

be direct to consumer, any talk about

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: And what's
maybe what's the difference in

Socrates: Yeah,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: that

Socrates: The benefit is that
from day one, we were never

able to ship direct to consumer.

And I think that's, that was so
fortunate to be the truth because

we would've just copied Amazon.

We would've said, okay, let's copy
Shopify and Amazon and then just

build that and, and there would be
no innovation coming out of that.

So here's another great example of.

The complexity and obstacles
becoming the opportunity.

So any entrepreneur out there
listening to this, like, Hey,

if it's hard, lean into that.

'cause that's, that means no
one else has figured it out and

you could be the one to do that.

So that, that was kind of the first piece.

We never had to consider it.

I'm so grateful that we didn't have to,
because really, if you think about it.

As, as much as you love an Amazon or one
of these on-demand delivery services,

I'm not going to order my food
because the technology is great as

much as I'm going to order food.

'cause I love that restaurant.

And so we made the conscious
decision to never put ourselves in

between the retailer or the brand
for that matter, and the consumer.

We don't want to take.

A take rate.

We're not trying to steal data because

in order for Jane to win,
this industry needs to win.

And in order for this industry to win, the
retailers and brands need to be empowered

to know their customer, know exactly
what to sell them, how to price it.

And that's Jane working behind the scenes.

Then empowering these retailers and
brands to connect with the customer.

'cause that's ultimately what's
gonna build this industry.

Jane is kind of the, the
mycelium of the space.

You won't see it, but we're
kind of connecting all the dots.

But the stuff that you do see, the
products that you love, the products

that you gravitate towards, the stores
that you love, let's go put them and set

them up as best as we can from a software
standpoint to set them up for success.

'cause that's really how the
industry is gonna be set up

for success for years to come.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay, so
now you pointed out something earlier.

About, many different, product, similar
products, but delivered differently

or packaged differently, regulated
differently in so many different places.

So it's like, it's all the problems
of a retail infrastructure.

Ti, exponentially increased.

Sounds like a great opportunity for ai.

Like years ago we would've
said this is a great big

Socrates: Yep.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: example,
and, now, like is the face of that.

And do you tell us like,
how is AI a part of this?

Are there, things that ai you've
avoided to make it more bespoke?

I don't know to

Socrates: A great que I'm, I'm, I
can geek out with you about this.

My team's, uh, the two people on my team
that are listening are probably smiling.

'cause when AI first came out, I
was like, oh my God what is this?

Only to realize that my engineers
had to pull me aside and be like,

Hey man, we've been using AI for a
very long time to build our catalog.

Here's an example of that and then I'll
get into how a user is experiencing ai.

Different operators, but none of
this is AI is only as good as the

data set from which it learns, and
we right now have two, 3 million

SKUs in our master product catalog.

But here's the deal, Reid.

One sku.

Let's get outta cannabis for a second.

And I was a sorry consul at McKinsey
Clean in massive data sets to

find how a six pack of Coca-Cola
performs across the country.

Only to realize that the s skew of
six pack of Co Coca-Cola is named.

Almost like hundreds of thousands
of different ways across the

country, if not the world, right?

Some people might put six C, some
people might actually spell six pack.

Coca-Cola might put six PK Coke.

So it's just, it's insane, right?

And so what we've been doing is
we've been training our data set for

almost a decade now to understand.

If a retailer calls it this,
it's this product and, and

now we have a clean data set.

So now we can add agentic AI to
different parts of the platform.

One example is as a consumer, right?

We can tell you read if just by a
few clicks on, on a Jane powered

menu by what you're looking at.

We can curate.

Right now there's about seven,
800 SKUs that sit on a dispensary

store shelf every single day.

15% change out every day, which is nuts.

But we can take that 800 skew
set and bring it down to like 10

products that Reed would like.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

Socrates: the level we're kind
of, we call it the Spotify effect.

Can we take millions and millions
of products and curate it down

to that specific consumer?

That's beneficial for the consumer, that's
beneficial for brands, our advertising

business, et cetera, retailers love it.

We also tell retailers, okay,
hey, we know how skews perform.

You should be carrying this product.

You should be discounting this product.

You should be actually increasing
the price of this product

because you're, you're actually
leaving money on the table.

Here's when you should
reorder the product.

So that's another way that we are
taking raw data and transforming

that into actionable insights.

And then for brands.

What's really interesting now is
brands can, brands have to advertise.

This is just the nature of the internet.

Unfortunately most times brands have this
spray and pray model like, Hey, cool,

and I'm probably preaching to the choir
here re 'cause you, you're the expert

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Oh yeah.

Absolutely.

Socrates: and you know, you spend
some money with the platform.

The platform says, look,
you gotta lift in sales.

Congratulations.

And the, you know, the marketing
professional's like, okay, if I

turned off the ads, would they
have still bought my product?

Who's buying my product?

What else did they buy?

So it's not as much of an advertising
game as much as an attribution game.

And when you can come back to a
clean dataset, we can tell brands

now, not only the ROI down to the
sku, Hey, you promoted the sku,

here's how many SKUs got purchased.

From that promotion, but now it's,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Wow

Socrates: Here's how they
interact with your sku.

So it, we are so excited and the
good, the good news for us is that.

Again, you can't just jump into this
and copy it and say, okay, chat GPT.

Tell me what product of
cannabis I should buy.

'cause chat, GPT doesn't have that
data set, that clean data set with

the attribution and billions of
touchpoints against those SKUs.

That's what we have.

So we feel like we have a pretty good moat
moving forward to personalize cannabis

for the next generation, and also help
retailers stay very, very competitive.

Ensure that they're carrying the right
products, putting it in front of the

right consumer at the right time.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: That's
awesome And that's exactly what you

know what kind of business can really
thrive In the AI environment I I you

did a great job describing how a data
set how valuable that continues to

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge:
And the I love it.

That was a great explanation.

But, if we're talking about the future,
so five, 10 years down the road, what

do you think is going to be different?

Do you think that, do you think
that the purchasing experience will

change, regulation loads will change?

What

Socrates: Yeah,

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: For this

Socrates: I think the only thing
guarantees is that things will change.

I think regulations will
change and they are changing.

Uh, if you and I were
having this discussion.

Just 5, 6, 7 years ago, there'd be like
eight legal state markets right now.

We operate in 40 state markets.

You're gonna see Pennsylvania,
Virginia, shout out to Florida.

They're doing their best to legalize.

So it's, it's happening.

Even, you know, when you, when you
start my friends in North Carolina,

when they, when that state starts
talking about, Hey, how do we

have a, a legal cannabis industry?

This is, the momentum is there
and there's no slowing this down.

This is the next great American
industry period, really.

It could be a job creator.

I won't get all that soapbox
for another podcast read.

So I think that's gonna change.

I think you're gonna see, if you don't
see full legalization within five

years, you will see, for all intents
and purposes, the ability to pay

with a credit card, the ability for.

Retailers to have a national footprint
and have national distribution.

Do I think you'll be able to order a joint
in the mail and have it shipped to you?

Probably not.

It's gonna look, look and feel a lot
like alcohol in my opinion, but that's

where I think things are, are headed.

And you and recently, uh, DC came
out, uh, with mandate to reschedule

cannabis from a schedule one to a
schedule three, uh, which is great.

'cause now the most important
thing is you can actually.

Put some research, some scientific
research to this plant and confirm

with data all the things that people
have been saying for thousands and

thousands of years, and that this
plant helps them across many elements.

I think more broadly, the way
people are going to be shopping

is gonna be digital first.

So again, I, let's leave cannabis
and go into grocery store world

where I like to live in the future.

You know, imagine I still
wanna go to the grocery store.

I still wanna like touch the apple and
smell the fruits and all those things,

but it'd be pretty cool if I had the
ability, the moment I stepped into

the grocery store or I was planning
to get to the grocery store in 15

minutes out, I'm like, Hey, I'm coming.

And it's like, okay soc, welcome
back to your favorite grocery store.

Here are the products that
you ordered last time.

Given on how you've been ordering,
we think you're probably gonna

run out of flour and bread.

we will get that stock for you.

Oh, there's a sale going on on
your favorite brand if you want

to put that in place for you.

And then it's a lot
more curated experience.

I have my card already set.

People are helping me out with that.

And then, ah, man, I'm, you know what?

I'm actually cooking a dinner.

I've never grilled salmon before.

Let me go talk to someone.

You know, at the fish station to
say, Hey, how do I prepare this?

That's the human interaction.

So it's gonna go from cashiers
to consultants, in my opinion.

I don't think

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Okay.

Socrates: I hope it's not this dystopian,
you never see anyone and you're just

walking around like some Amazon warehouse.

That's weird to me.

But I think there would be a marriage
of online and offline and that.

It'll be fully integrated, whether
you're just ordering from your laptop or

stepping into the brick and mortar store.

So that's the vision I have.

Whether that comes out, you know,
in five years or 10 years, I think

it's a matter of when, not if though.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Yeah.

that makes a lot of sense.

And so you're a great explainer and I
think that makes, you're well positioned.

I think I've learned
a lot and I would, uh.

Definitely, I'd love to have a
longer conversation, the format of

this show is where, we're a little

Socrates: Hearsay.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: and do some
quick hits, I you've got a lot there.

If people would like to learn more,

Socrates: Yeah.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Have you
on as a speaker, podcast guest,

where can they find you or where can

Socrates: Yeah, man.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Jane?

Socrates: by.

I'm happy to come back anytime, man.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: Great.

Awesome.

Socrates: Because, you know, who knows,
a couple years, maybe if this whole

thing has changed and you can be like,
sock, you were wrong on all of it.

Uh, so I'll leave you a thought.

No problem.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge: here,

Socrates: Uh, but if people
wanna reach out to me, find me on

LinkedIn, Socrates, Rosenfeld I
encourage people to check us out.

Go to our website, iHeart jane.com

if you wanna reach out
to our team or have some.

Suggestions for us info@iheartjane.com.

Follow us on our social, we're on
LinkedIn, Facebook and Instagram.

iHeart Jane.

And then we always love
hearing from the market.

So no, no topic is off limits.

Just hit us up whenever you can.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge:
Thanks for coming on.

So this has been.

Definitely one of my
favorite podcasts, and

Socrates: Sweet.

Reed Hansen, MarketSurge:
You're a great explainer.

Did great.

And yeah, look forward to
potentially a future podcast.

I think there's just a
lot more to dive into.

So Thanks for

Socrates: Thanks re
really appreciate it man.

Speaker 2: Want to stay ahead of what's
actually working in marketing right now.

Head over to Market surge.io

and see how we're helping businesses
grow smarter, faster, and louder.

That's market surge.io

because your next breakthrough
shouldn't be a guess.