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A podcast for the workers of UFCW 401 to stay informed and up to date on the state of the union.
00:00:02 Intro
Welcome to Voices of 401, your union podcast, keeping you informed, empowered, and connected with the latest from your local.
00:00:24 James
Welcome to episode two of Voices of 401.
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If you're joining me for the first time, welcome.
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If it's your second time, welcome back.
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Let's see how long you can keep that streak going.
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Today we're going to be talking with Justin and Harvey about Safeway bargaining.
00:00:39 James
Last time on the pod, we talked to Tom Hesse about the same topic, but we're going to approach it from a little bit of a different lens this week and that we're going to be taking it from a worker perspective.
00:00:51 James
If you want to stay up to date, make sure that you subscribe and follow this podcast as future episodes will be coming out hopefully biweekly.
00:01:00 James
And biweekly, fortnightly.
00:01:02 James
I've always preferred fortnightly to biweekly for describing something that happens every two weeks.
00:01:07 James
Fortnightly is 14 days.
00:01:09 James
Biweekly to me, every time in my mind I'm like, Is that twice a week or would that be semi-weekly?
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Anyway, this is a debate that we can all have together in the workplace.
00:01:19 James
when you're talking about what's going on.
00:01:22 James
So let's get into it.
00:01:24 James
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00:01:41 James
Alright, let's get into it for real.
00:01:49 James
I can tell you from firsthand experience that being at the bargaining table is a bit of a different beast than just doing your normal job.
00:01:56 James
At least for me it was.
00:01:57 James
When we went to the bargaining table originally, to paint you a bit of a picture, it's in a lawyer's office in Edmonton, just off downtown.
00:02:06 James
You know, it's not like some grand skyscraper downtown.
00:02:09 James
It's, you know, one of those like 6, seven story buildings that you see all over the place that are just like that brown concrete brutalist architecture on the outside.
00:02:19 James
so that, top floor at least, with a nice view overlooking a nearby construction site.
00:02:26 James
So spending, hopefully many hours in there bargaining.
00:02:33 James
For us, it was a lot of waiting because what essentially happens is you meet in a location, you exchange your proposals,
00:02:42 James
Typically you run each other through all the language that's present there and then they leave to go talk about it.
00:02:50 James
Because something I think that many people don't realize is the people who the company are sending to bargaining typically have like no decision making power when it comes to these larger corporations.
00:03:01 James
They've all got a boss who's got a boss somewhere.
00:03:04 James
So anything that's set at the bargaining table, they've got to go away and talk to like six, seven people to actually make a decision.
00:03:11 James
But it's a little bit different on the union side because the people who are making the decisions are the workers who are part of the bargaining committee.
00:03:19 James
So the bargaining committee is, in Safeway's case, quite large because there are many Safeway workers across the province.
00:03:27 James
And so they all nominate someone to go to the bargaining committee and represent the workers
00:03:35 James
when it comes to voting on these proposals and things that are exchanged back and forth.
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And so if you're just a regular worker like I was, I come in and I do my 9 to 5, going to a whole day of meetings in like a lawyer's office was a very different experience for me.
00:03:54 James
It involves a lot of note-taking and being very like meticulous with sorting through how proposals are exchanged and what time they're handed off and
00:04:05 James
what this language means versus what that language means.
00:04:08 James
But ultimately, that's where the union staff come in, who are a little bit more equipped to deal with a lot of that legalese and procedure and policy types of things.
00:04:20 James
So typically, your bargaining committee is made-up of that group of workers and then some members of the staff.
00:04:26 James
So in the case of Safeway bargaining, we have Chris O'Halloran, who's doing the lead negotiating, and two of our reps, April and Aaron.
00:04:33 James
The neat thing I learned when I got into bargaining with 401 was that we engage in open bargaining.
00:04:38 James
You might say, well, what's open bargaining?
00:04:40 James
Or you might not, and you might already know what it is.
00:04:42 James
But for those of you who don't, like me at the time was open bargaining is you, if you're a worker, part of a bargaining unit, you could just go and observe bargaining.
00:04:52 James
Like any of these meetings that we're having in these lawyer offices or hotel conference rooms, you could just come and sit in.
00:05:00 James
and you can see what's going on.
00:05:02 James
And I think that's really powerful because you don't want to feel like decisions are being made behind closed doors or that you don't have a chance to see everything that's going on.
00:05:10 James
So the level of transparency is quite nice, in my opinion.
00:05:14 James
I'm sure the company would disagree with me because everything is out in the open and that, you know, can color the way that they behave.
00:05:23 James
Sitting down at the bargaining table and
00:05:26 James
You're sitting across from these, usually very highly paid executives, and they're not able to make any sort of decisions, and you're the one that's there making decisions, and you can make choices with your fellow co-workers around you.
00:05:41 James
don't have to leave the room, you don't have to talk to anybody else, is very empowering.
00:05:46 James
It's a very empowering feeling.
00:05:47 James
So it's definitely one of those moments where you're like, oh yeah, that's the power of unions.
00:05:51 James
If you haven't lived through it, I would highly suggest if you take an interest in bargaining that you look to be on your bargaining committee.
00:05:58 James
It's not a frivolous position and it's quite important because you're representing thousands of your union members, potentially, depending on the size of your workplace.
00:06:09 James
With my workplace, you know, we were quite small, less than 20 people.
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So
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Doing updates and communications and everything was quite easy, but it gets to be quite a serious job if you're trying to reach potentially thousands of union members wherever they're working.
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And, you know, it's a big undertaking.
00:06:25 James
You're looking at long hours, potentially boring hours, sitting there waiting for the company to come back, diligent note-taking, and just general attentiveness overall throughout the days.
00:06:36 James
Quite a different experience, and I would recommend it if you have any sort of interest in bargaining at all.
00:06:41 James
But enough about my personal bargaining experience.
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Let's hear from Harvey and Justin.
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Who would like to introduce themselves first?
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All right.
00:06:51 James
Take it away, Harvey.
00:06:53 Harvey
My name is Harvey Carson.
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I'm a deli clerk.
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I've been working at Safeway for almost 15 years.
00:07:01 Justin
I'm Justin Dankerts and I'm a coffee bar operator and I've been with Safeway for six years.
00:07:08 James
Awesome.
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And so have you been hearing anything in your stores lately?
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Things that people have been concerned about or people, you know, bringing talking to you about bargaining at all at this point.
00:07:18 Justin
As some of our top rate employees will their members will no doubt be aware, the number one question people are asking is, are we getting the money back?
00:07:28 Justin
And of course, we have other things happening with that.
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We have the appeals case we're waiting to hear back on now.
00:07:34 Justin
And top rate members also know this is not their first time bargaining.
00:07:38 Justin
It's early days.
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We're still going through non-monetary proposals, still making ground on that, getting those things agreed to.
00:07:48 Justin
It's, we're, like, it's just, sorry, we're still in second week.
00:07:56 Justin
We're looking at dates into May now, potentially, so it's still a long haul.
00:08:03 Harvey
There's definitely a lot of curiosity.
00:08:06 Harvey
It's hard to give concrete information at the very earliest stages, but we are definitely already hearing lots of what's going on, what's going on.
00:08:21 Harvey
There's a lot of challenges and concerns that, you know, we've been kind of keeping in mind.
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over time coming up to the start of bargaining.
00:08:33 James
Oh yeah, for sure.
00:08:34 James
As someone who's personally been through bargaining, it is a long process.
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But maybe for our members who might not exactly know how bargaining works, can you walk us through what actually happens on the table?
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What's the process like from a worker perspective?
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And is this the first time that you've been involved in bargaining?
00:08:50 Justin
We are both new to bargaining.
00:08:52 Justin
This is both our first time.
00:08:54 Justin
The process of bargaining is it's a lot of waiting.
00:08:59 Justin
You get down there in the morning, you get to the bargaining table, you start looking over the last proposals that were discussed the day before.
00:09:07 Justin
What will happen is both sides will have some of their proposals that they want the other side to answer to.
00:09:13 Justin
I'm not sure if our listeners have already seen both the proposal packages.
00:09:17 Justin
They're on the union website, gounion.ca.
00:09:20 Justin
So we'll have a set of things the company wants us to look at and we have a list of things we want the company to look at.
00:09:27 Justin
We take those, we look at them, we figure out what our responses are going to be.
00:09:31 Justin
We might have a counter proposal.
00:09:32 Justin
We might have a question because we just don't know exactly what the company wants to do with this.
00:09:37 Justin
Or there's something, an implication we want to make sure we fully understand before we can give an answer to.
00:09:43 Justin
And we'll figure all that out as a committee.
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Everybody gets a chance to speak.
00:09:47 Justin
We might have four people want to speak.
00:09:49 Justin
We might have 20 people want to speak on an issue.
00:09:51 Justin
And we'll figure out what the consensus is.
00:09:53 Justin
And then what we're going to say to the company.
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We figure out what things
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we want worded for in our proposals to the company, and then we'll meet.
00:10:02 Justin
The company will give the answers to the questions we gave them last time.
00:10:05 Justin
They'll have new things they want us to look at, and we'll do the same.
00:10:08 Justin
And then we go separate ways.
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We continue our process.
00:10:13 Justin
As we understand it on the company side, they're going to make some calls.
00:10:16 Justin
They might have an answer for us.
00:10:18 Justin
We might be waiting three days.
00:10:19 Justin
They might not have an answer until the next session of bargaining, depending on who they have to talk to.
00:10:24 Justin
and we just go round and round.
00:10:26 Harvey
Yeah, so we often say that things remain a live issue when it's not like you sat down and talked about it one time and then it was open and closed.
00:10:39 Harvey
There's a lot of back and forth.
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So many things are live issues right now.
00:10:46 Harvey
I think yesterday, Chris was saying that we had,
00:10:51 Harvey
exchanged about 39 proposals between both sides.
00:10:57 Harvey
And it goes in batches.
00:11:00 Harvey
And that's kind of just to give you like a starting point.
00:11:04 Harvey
You get a foothold so that like, because you're looking at these big packages of, you know, so many pages of proposals and you want
00:11:14 Harvey
to just kind of, okay, where do we start?
00:11:16 Harvey
How do we dig into this?
00:11:18 Harvey
And we'll pick out, you know, some of the issues that we think might be like good openers for discussion.
00:11:25 Harvey
We've told the workers what's happening here, but there's so many people that like they struggle to understand, like, what is bargaining?
00:11:32 James
It's a long and complicated process.
00:11:34 James
Like, there's a lot of back and forth.
00:11:36 James
I know, like you probably, well, for those of you who haven't attended bargaining before, you're usually sitting there with a giant binder of all the proposals
00:11:44 James
and you're going through them one by one.
00:11:46 James
And even in this situation, it's a little bit unique, right?
00:11:49 James
Because there's three CBAs that are being bargained right now, if I got that right.
00:11:54 Justin
Yeah, we have a province-wide retail agreement.
00:11:56 Justin
We have the Northern Meat and Deli Agreement and the Southern Meat and Deli Agreement.
00:12:01 Justin
Largely Edmonton area in the north and then the Calgary area in the south.
00:12:07 Justin
There's a lot of times where we'll look at something and we start seeing, okay, the language doesn't actually line up in all three.
00:12:12 Justin
And these are, we've been a unionized workplace for, what was it, 80 years.
00:12:18 Harvey
I think 75.
00:12:20 Justin
75 years.
00:12:21 Justin
So there's definitely some things there that are very old.
00:12:23 Justin
We don't necessarily know always when we're talking where some of these things originated, where they came from.
00:12:29 Justin
There was something the company found today where they're like, we're pretty sure this is actually from the 90s and we didn't ever actually put in the date of when this was supposed to start and we have to figure that out and double check all of our own bargaining notes going back that far to.
00:12:43 Justin
figure that out.
00:12:44 Justin
Sometimes we have to move things around to make sure they line up and they all read the same way.
00:12:48 James
Right.
00:12:48 James
So that's a lot more complicated than a lot of bargaining ends up being because usually you're dealing with one CBA and here you are dealing with three.
00:12:54 James
Well, and Justin, you alluded to it earlier, but you know, members are often asking about wages.
00:13:00 James
And with bargaining, we usually deal with money at the end versus at the beginning.
00:13:06 James
And what can you tell either of you tell our listeners about that?
00:13:09 James
Why do we approach it like that?
00:13:12 Harvey
Well, I think
00:13:13 Harvey
everything has a financial aspect to it.
00:13:18 Harvey
I've taken some collective bargaining classes and they kind of teach you like even the non-monetary items.
00:13:27 Harvey
there's a way that a price tag can end up being attached to that, even if it's not like just
00:13:34 Harvey
hardland definition, wages or benefits.
00:13:37 Harvey
when you're asking for PPE, those things have a cost attached to them.
00:13:42 Harvey
When you're asking for a safety program, that might have a cost attached to the development.
00:13:48 Harvey
So it's typical, I would say, for some of the more concrete, like
00:13:57 Harvey
dollar signs to be talked about at the very, very end.
00:14:01 Harvey
Once we've kind of taken a look at like, okay, here's all of the things on the table.
00:14:07 Harvey
And now that we're going to put the concrete money into the mix, we're going to start accounting for the costs of other things.
00:14:16 Harvey
Money can also be like,
00:14:19 Harvey
kind of tense to talk about.
00:14:21 Harvey
It's not the easiest thing to discuss.
00:14:25 Harvey
So it can sometimes be easier to open the floor up with, topics that don't directly include that price tag.
00:14:38 Harvey
off of the bat.
00:14:39 James
Yeah, that makes sense.
00:14:40 James
Everything's got a cost to it.
00:14:41 James
Do you have anything to add to that, Jesse?
00:14:42 Justin
I do, yeah.
00:14:43 Justin
If you look through the company proposals, you'll see every single one of them is in some way a cut.
00:14:49 Justin
The last thing they want to do is talk about raising wages.
00:14:52 Justin
That's not something the company's interested in.
00:14:54 Justin
I suspect you go into any bargaining.
00:14:56 Justin
That's probably the last thing the company wants to do.
00:14:58 Justin
What they want to do is find ways to save money, find ways to control things, restrict them in certain ways.
00:15:07 Justin
And what we're trying to do is expand on different things.
00:15:10 Justin
So the easiest way to do that is talk about the things the company wants to talk about and find ways maybe we can direct this to also talk about something we're interested in.
00:15:21 Justin
So that's why we deal with the non-monetary issues.
00:15:23 Justin
The monetary issues, that's going to be the fight at the end.
00:15:26 Justin
That's going to be the big thing where we might be up all night just arguing over the lettering of something.
00:15:32 Justin
Like, that's where we're really going to get into the nitty gritty.
00:15:35 Justin
And yeah, that's at the end because the company doesn't want to talk about it.
00:15:39 James
Yeah, I could definitely see you getting like, what was it, 71, 72 proposals of concessions put in front of you.
00:15:45 James
It must be a little bit disheartening.
00:15:47 James
But, you know, round two is wrapped up today.
00:15:51 James
Well, this afternoon, I guess.
00:15:52 James
And so what's new or different this time around?
00:15:55 James
You can say it's the same too, if you want.
00:15:58 James
That's okay.
00:16:00 Justin
I think we're definitely starting to see some movement.
00:16:02 Justin
There's a few things we've been able to come to agreement on.
00:16:05 Justin
So we're definitely finding the areas where the company is willing to talk, where they're willing to start making some motion on.
00:16:17 Justin
There's still a lot of things.
00:16:18 Justin
The company came at us with 71 proposals.
00:16:21 Justin
And is it 2 we have agreement on now?
00:16:25 Harvey
Yeah, and it might be partial, partial agreements.
00:16:30 Harvey
Like they might not be like a full
00:16:33 Harvey
a full proposal that's accepted.
00:16:35 Harvey
It's like, after several passes back and forth, we come to agreement on a portion of it.
00:16:41 Justin
Yeah.
00:16:42 Justin
But we haven't started the memorandum of understanding yet, which is where we're going to have like, these are the ones that we actually have agreed to and we're not going to have to talk about them anymore.
00:16:52 Justin
That hasn't happened yet.
00:16:53 Justin
So, right.
00:16:54 James
So we're pretty much ramping up round two today.
00:16:58 James
So also thinking back to round one in Calgary, what were the key takeaways?
00:17:03 James
ways for both of you during that round of bargaining about you know how Sobeys is approaching or they these rounds of negotiations or what their attitude is like.
00:17:12 Harvey
Well it was all concessions right off the bat um so it felt like there was there was an attitude where we weren't feeling appreciated as as workers for what we do for the company um when it's
00:17:31 Harvey
All cuts, cuts, cuts.
00:17:33 Harvey
We were asking, well, what's here for us?
00:17:37 Harvey
You know, that we didn't see anything for us in this package.
00:17:44 Harvey
It makes us feel undervalued.
00:17:46 James
So the proposals, they've been called disappointing, maybe even disrespectful.
00:17:52 James
From your perspectives, what do these takeaways mean for everybody who works at Safeway and what should they be thinking about?
00:17:59 James
I think.
00:18:00 Justin
Our Safeway co-workers should probably be feeling, sorry, are probably feeling very frustrated.
00:18:08 Justin
We went to early bargaining in December and we all kind of thought that this is the start of bargaining.
00:18:14 Justin
This is where we're going to see the first proposal.
00:18:16 Justin
We're going to take a vote on it and things will continue.
00:18:18 Justin
And what we're seeing instead is that we are starting from ground zero again.
00:18:25 Justin
And
00:18:26 Justin
everything that we kind of got somewhere on is we have to do all this work over again.
00:18:32 Justin
That's very frustrating.
00:18:33 Justin
That feels very disrespectful of the time, of the energy of the vote we did before, because we know what we need to see before we're going to get a positive, before we're going to get a vote on a contract we can accept.
00:18:48 Justin
So it definitely feels like time has been wasted, like the company is dragging its feet.
00:18:56 Justin
So I imagine frustration.
00:18:59 Harvey
And there's an affordability crisis right now.
00:19:02 Harvey
I think people have already been feeling like they've fallen quite behind over the course of the current contract.
00:19:12 Harvey
And, you know, to see all of these concessions on the table now for discussion, it's very concerning to think that, you know, this could
00:19:26 Harvey
result in not being able to catch up, right?
00:19:31 Harvey
There's a great need for a financial boost for fellow workers.
00:19:40 Harvey
And we're not seeing that in the employer's proposal package.
00:19:47 James
Yeah, that's very fair.
00:19:48 James
I guess my question to both of you would be, what's a proposal that the union's putting forward right now that you're excited for and that you're looking forward to fighting about with the company?
00:20:00 James
I say fighting because that seems to be the mood every time I go in there with the company, but it can be collaborative too.
00:20:07 James
Are there any proposals out there right now that are, you're looking forward to being talked about?
00:20:12 Harvey
You know what, we have put forward a proposal for free menstrual hygiene products for workers.
00:20:20 Harvey
I don't believe that we've heard a response back on it yet, but it is,
00:20:26 Harvey
an important issue.
00:20:28 Justin
It's an unavoidable expense.
00:20:30 Harvey
Yeah, absolutely.
00:20:32 Justin
That people have to deal with at any time of day.
00:20:36 Harvey
Yeah.
00:20:36 Justin
It's something that definitely affects your experience in the workplace.
00:20:41 Justin
And it's something that everybody that needs it should have access to.
00:20:45 Harvey
Yeah, it's something that we want to do to address a gender pay gap.
00:20:52 Harvey
It's something that people need, especially in an affordability crisis.
00:20:57 Harvey
And, this is something that we sell in the stores that we work in.
00:21:04 Harvey
We think that it would be an easy accommodation.
00:21:10 James
Yeah, definitely.
00:21:11 James
Lots of different employers do offer that.
00:21:14 James
So, you know, maybe it's time that Safeway and Sobey's get with the time on that one.
00:21:19 James
What about you, Justin?
00:21:19 James
Anything that you're looking forward to talking about with the company?
00:21:22 James
Or maybe one that we've already talked about in the last couple of rounds?
00:21:27 Justin
Lots of things we haven't gotten to yet.
00:21:29 Justin
I think it's good to talk about the things that we've been discussing, that we've been working on, just so people get a better idea about some of these non-monetary things.
00:21:37 James
Yeah, absolutely.
00:21:38 Justin
Because I know we're all excited about the monetary things.
00:21:41 Justin
But we've also been discussing signage in the workplace for respectful workplace policies for making sure that
00:21:51 Justin
It's very visible when customers come in that it is expected that they treat workers with respect.
00:21:59 Justin
I know things are a little different between rural stores and city stores.
00:22:02 Justin
This isn't maybe as personal to me because when you're in a smaller place, you know so many people on such a personal level, so many of the regulars, that it's a very different experience than in a bigger city where you're seeing new people constantly.
00:22:16 Justin
And I know there's a lot more traffic as well for the stores here.
00:22:19 Justin
So it's something I think the whole committee is
00:22:21 Justin
really passionate about is making sure that there's things in place to protect workers from those sort of hostile situations.
00:22:30 James
Yeah, absolutely.
00:22:31 James
And I finally, I only have one more question for the both of you.
00:22:34 James
And that's for anyone who's listening and wants to get involved.
00:22:37 James
What can Safe Way members do between now and the next round of bargaining to show support and stay informed?
00:22:43 Harvey
Talk to your shop stewards.
00:22:45 Harvey
Ask your reps questions.
00:22:49 Harvey
You know,
00:22:50 Harvey
I think it's important that we're all talking to each other.
00:22:54 Harvey
We need to organize like micro networks, check in with each other.
00:22:59 Harvey
Did you see that e-mail?
00:23:01 Harvey
Have you watched the new video?
00:23:03 Harvey
Did you see this post on social media?
00:23:06 James
You know, Did you listen to the latest episode of Voices of 401 podcast?
00:23:15 Harvey
Yeah.
00:23:15 Harvey
I think that having those discussions in person with the workers
00:23:20 Harvey
that it makes a really big difference because when everybody's aware of what's going on, that's what's really going to build an organized power source for us.
00:23:37 Harvey
I think it's not in between this round and next round, but I really like to sell on open and transparent bargaining.
00:23:49 Harvey
I think that it's a great idea if people want to put the bargaining dates into their calendars so that they can try to plan to attend and observe what happens at the table.
00:24:01 Harvey
It can be really eye-opening.
00:24:03 Harvey
It can be very informative.
00:24:05 Harvey
You learn a lot of the behind the scenes stuff.
00:24:08 Harvey
Sometimes people look at our collective agreements, they look at our contract books, and they're like, this is all Greek to me.
00:24:17 Harvey
Like, what does this really mean?
00:24:19 Harvey
But when you see the process of how we've come to these pieces of the contract,
00:24:28 Harvey
then it kind of clicks into place a little bit better.
00:24:32 Harvey
they understand the nuts and bolts.
00:24:34 Harvey
How did we get here and what does this really mean?
00:24:38 James
Oh, that's all very excellent.
00:24:40 James
Like we want people to stay informed and engaged throughout this process.
00:24:43 James
And Justin, did you have anything to add to that?
00:24:46 Justin
Yeah, go on the website, go to the bargaining hub, see the updates there.
00:24:51 Justin
I know everyone's tired of hearing this.
00:24:52 Justin
Make sure your email's up to date.
00:24:55 Justin
We've been having some Zoom calls in the evening or in the morning where we can give some bargaining updates too.
00:25:00 Justin
And I know some of those, there's not much notice, so make sure you have your e-mail up to date so that you can get the invites to those things when they happen.
00:25:08 Justin
Yeah, talk to your shop stewards, talk to your reps, talk to you if there's a member of the bargaining committee in your store.
00:25:16 Justin
Any of us would be more than happy to discuss it with you, to show you what the proposals are.
00:25:19 Justin
You can read them all, again, at the Bargaining Hub.
00:25:23 Justin
And yeah, just however, whatever works for you.
00:25:26 Justin
I know a lot of people like the podcast better because then you don't have to turn in at a certain time.
00:25:31 Justin
We've got lots of different ways of trying to reach out to everybody.
00:25:34 Justin
So whatever works best for you, just find somebody and throw the headphones in, shake down your shop, sir, whatever you need to do to find out what's going on.
00:25:45 James
I think all that is really great advice.
00:25:47 James
I want to thank both of you today for taking the time to talk to us, and we're looking forward to having you on again in the future.
00:25:54 Justin
Thank you.
00:25:55 Justin
Very happy to do it.
00:25:57 James
Well, happy bargaining, and thanks so much for coming on today.
00:26:00 James
Just a reminder to everyone else who's listening, we have bargaining coming up at a variety of workplaces, so make sure you check in with your
00:26:09 James
current collective agreement, see when it's expiring, if bargaining is coming up and it's something that interests you.
00:26:14 James
Make sure to talk to your shop steward or your local rep and you should definitely get involved.
00:26:20 James
Thank you everybody who tuned in to our second episode today.
00:26:23 James
I'm going to be catching up with some workers from the Canada Malting Group this week and hopefully over some cold brews we're going to be discussing their recent strike vote and what that means for them.
00:26:35 James
If you'd like to catch that episode, just make sure that you are
00:26:38 James
subscribed and following this podcast.
00:26:41 James
We'll hopefully have that one up soon for you as well.
00:26:44 James
Just make sure you keep stopping by to find out all the latest labor news and stories as we can get them.
00:26:51 James
Take care.