[00:00:00] Carol Eugene Park: It's time! Happy end of year to our alumni UBC family. Happy holidays! Hello friendly alumni, you've once again returned to From Here Forward, the informative, funny UBC Podcast Network podcast. We are your girls, Carol and Jeevan.
[00:00:23] Jeevan Sangha: I'm back and better than ever, and I have to say I'm loving that vocal performance from you, Carol.
[00:00:28] Carol Eugene Park: Thanks, it's my audition to a [00:00:30] Broadway show. Perhaps the next Wicked. Wicked 3 featuring Carol. Who's to say? And we've got a special guest with us. Jeevan, drumroll please. The one, the only, our producer, Kylé.
[00:00:44] Kylé McPhedran: Thank you. I am so honored to be joining you today.
[00:00:48] Jeevan Sangha: Very formal. We are so happy to have you. It is so exciting to have Kylé on this side of the mic today. And we have a really. fun episode to wrap up 2024. After a year of amazing [00:01:00] guests and more corny jokes from Carol than I ever needed to hear, we're going to be taking you through some of our personal favorite moments of all time on From Here Forward.
[00:01:10] Carol Eugene Park: It's a little annual throwback, if you will, a year in review. So Kylé, why don't we start off with your best of?
[00:01:18] Kylé McPhedran: All right, I'm going to take us to a moment of inspiration in light of the holidays. One of my favorite episodes that we did in 2024 [00:01:30] was Bashar. He was so fantastic.
[00:01:33] Jeevan Sangha: Yeah. I thought that learning about his approach to thinking about climate globally was so interesting. And I think one thing that really stuck out for me was just how passionate he was. It left me feeling really hopeful about the future, even though a lot of the stuff we were talking about was really heavy. It was just a nice sort of reframing of the way we look at a climate crisis globally.
[00:01:51] Carol Eugene Park: And I loved that he used film to talk about really important things. Cause to be honest, I have no attention span [00:02:00] anymore. So, watching something and learning something, iconic behavior.
[00:02:03] Kylé McPhedran: Carol, you do realize you're saying this as a member of an audio show. Right?
[00:02:08] Carol Eugene Park: You know, semantics.
[00:02:09] Kylé McPhedran: Well, here's a clip from Bashar talking about what he does. And just as a little promo, I would encourage you guys to check out his film, you still can, and we'll throw it up in the links.
[00:02:20] Abul Bashar: After moving to Vancouver, I just saw how disconnected people are from the realities of the global South. And I was very lucky to be able to [00:02:30] go to COP, the UN United Nations Climate Change Conference that happens every year as a part of the UBC delegation in Egypt in 2022.
[00:02:39] And I think that really made me realize that a lot of these climate leaders or a lot of the political leaders, businessmen, the reason they were putting their self interest in the first place was because they didn't really realize how it's impacting the lives of people. I'm sure if the CEO of Shell said, spent a month in the southern coast of Bangladesh with a family who’s a [00:03:00] climate refugee, struggling to go from one place to another, not knowing what meal to eat next.
[00:03:04] I'm sure Shell would like, you know, change its tides and they would recognize what their action like mean for like these people so far away from the realities that they live in. And the only way to bridge that gap is through empathy and it's through storytelling.
[00:03:21] I went back home the next year, did some traveling across the country with my bike, just to learn about what climate change really meant for my [00:03:30] people. And then went to the next COP and premiered the documentary film that we made.
[00:03:35] Kylé McPhedran: My next couple picks, I have to admit, I'm going outside of 2024 a little bit. I'm hitting back into 2023, which I don't know if I'm allowed to break the rules, but I make the rules as a producer, so I think I can.
[00:03:46] I learned so much from all of our guests. But one of the ones that really stood out to me was Dr. Stephen Narod talking about his genetic discoveries, and just as a young-ish woman, it actually informed decisions that I have made since. So, here's a little bit of wisdom from Dr. Narod.
[00:04:06] Dr. Narod: This is probably one of the bigger gene discoveries in the past few decades. There was a recent reporting in Nature magazine, that of all the genes in the, uh, genome that BRCA-1 and BRCA-2 were two of the four genes, which are most likely to influence a woman's lifespan, a mutation. However, we spent [00:04:30] research over the past 20 years trying to figure out ways that will reduce that risk.
[00:04:35] We started this work back in 1987 and that led us to identify position of the gene. BRCA1, which was on chromosome 17. That happened in 1994. And a year later, I identified BRCA2. Shortly after that, it became possible to do genetic testing for women and for men to see whether or [00:05:00] not they carried the mutation in the gene.
[00:05:02] And about 1 in 500 women in Canada will have a mutation in one of those two genes. They are also the genes that cause both breast and ovarian cancer, so there's a dual function here that we have to, uh, correct in order to, uh, reduce or eliminate the risk of breast cancer and ovarian cancer.
[00:05:22] Jeevan Sangha: Early detection is an extremely important part of breast cancer research because it may mean less treatment, less recovery time, and even a better [00:05:30] chance at survival.
[00:05:31] Now, people all around the world can get a genetic test to determine if they're at an increased risk for breast cancer and hopefully receive early treatment. Science is pretty cool, kids.
[00:05:40] Dr. Narod: To that end, we developed a Women's College Hospital program called the SCREEN Project, where anybody in Canada, men or women, regardless of their family history, can get a genetic test by going online to the SCREEN Project at Women's College Hospital.
[00:05:57] In ovarian cancer, um, we do [00:06:00] have some prevention, which would be oral contraceptives, which reduce the risk of ovarian cancer almost in half if you take it for five years.
[00:06:08] Carol Eugene Park: Not to make this about me, but were you just as shocked to hear that oral contraceptives can reduce risks of ovarian cancer?
[00:06:15] Jeevan Sangha: Oh, definitely. I was shocked to learn just how much it can prevent it. Reducing risk by almost half with consistent use feels like something I definitely should have known before.
[00:06:24] I also, like, took more steps towards preventative screening measures after that episode. And [00:06:30] so it was really nice talking to someone who has, really devoted his life to such instrumental medical discoveries. And I think that, the importance of the work that he's done throughout his career, you can't understate it. Carol, do you have any thoughts?
[00:06:40] Carol Eugene Park: Just go get it screened is my takeaway. Anyway, next one.
[00:06:45] Kylé McPhedran: All right, my last pick of some of my best of episodes also was a bit of a knowledge is power situation.
[00:06:52] Dr. Lori Daniels. was amazing. A wildfire expert and as somebody who lives in British Columbia, and unfortunately, [00:07:00] wildfires are now part of our lives, learning from her gave me hope just understanding some of the causes and how we've ended up here made it just so it's not a dark cloud. It reduced my fear in some ways. The more you know. So, here's a little snippet of wisdom from Dr. Daniels.
[00:07:19] Dr. Lori Daniels: Here's the important thing for us to remember. There's multiple factors that are contributing to this wildfire emergency we find ourselves in. Climate change is the umbrella over [00:07:30] top, but underneath is the condition of the forest. And we know enough about how our forests used to function, how they are functioning today and the difference between those. We know the susceptibility has to do with our choices about wildfire management and forest management. And so, we can change the way that we are managing the forest. We can change the forest to make it more resilient to fire. And then we can use multiple tools in our toolbox.
[00:07:56] We're learning by listening carefully and working with [00:08:00] indigenous communities. about how cultural fire stewardship used to maintain landscapes like this, and how we can combine Western science with Indigenous knowledge to reintroduce fire back onto lands around Indigenous communities and more broadly on their traditional territories to increase fire resilience. So that's another way in which we've been very innovative and transdisciplinary.
[00:08:23] Jeevan Sangha: Thank you so much for sharing all those, Kylé. Awesome to hear what your favorite ones were from the last year and a [00:08:30] bit. It's your time to shine, Carol. What are in your best of?
[00:08:33] Carol Eugene Park: So, you probably thought that mine would be our Gen Z dating app, IRLY. But nay nay nay nay. My best of was our interview with Dax Da Silva, who is the CEO of Lightspeed Commerce and founder of Environmental Alliance, Age of Union. It was all about the environmental conservatism and his great work on the ground, which is crazy because I don't know if you know this, but Lightspeed is everywhere.
[00:08:57] Kylé McPhedran: Yeah, I had never noticed Lightspeed anywhere. And now I [00:09:00] see it on all of these payment machines. And then I'm like, Great. He's getting my money, he came up with something good, and then he's using it to make the world better. Like, hopeful. Very hopeful that this exists. Thank you, Dax Da Silva. We're fans.
[00:09:13] Jeevan Sangha: You mentioned how the capital that was raised from Lightspeed went on to kind of fund Age of Union. We're curious about your passion for conservation. Where did it begin, and can you talk a bit about why conservation is so important to the planet?
[00:09:27] Dax DaSilva: So, the conservation piece [00:09:30] was really important to me. As a kid, so my parents were Refugees from Uganda, when they came and settled in Vancouver, my sister and I grew up in Vancouver. And you know, the inexpensive activity that everybody in BC did was go camping. And so, because of that, I was exposed to, you know, just these stunning British Columbia naturescapes and, you know, fell in love with animals, fell in love with nature. And when they started clear cutting the coastal temperate rainforests off the coast of [00:10:00] Vancouver Island, thousand-year-old trees were being cut in places like Clayoquot Sound, I joined those protests.
[00:10:06] You know, I was 17, me and my stepbrother, we took my Mustang, and we drove across the island and, and joined the protest. Tzeporah Berman leading, uh, an international protest, she was only 23 and I've, I've actually gotten to, actually Tzeporah Berman presented me with my arts degree, uh, when I, when I finally graduated.
[00:10:24] This fall. So that came full circle to, for me, which was amazing. And she's such an incredible [00:10:30] activist. Unbelievable. So, I was 17. She was like, she was 23. She took over this protest cause everybody else had been thrown in jail. Over 900 people were jailed during the Clayoquot sound protests. It was called the War of the Woods. She turned it into an international outcry. And we saved Clayoquot Sound and so that was like my first, my first foray into activism and we actually were able to protect this whole place, large place, Pacific Rim National Park, for future generations. And I've revisited many times [00:11:00] and I think I've only begun to realize in later visits what we were able to accomplish and how precious that is that we were able to save that.
[00:11:08] But I think what really turned me into an activist was the drive across Vancouver Island to get to Clayoquot Sound when I was 17. Because I drove through hours and hours of clear-cut moonscape, and I just thought about all of the animals and just ancient thickets of forest and, and hillsides that used to exist there. And I [00:11:30] think that's what really turned me into a lifetime conservationist. And I think that juxtaposed with what we were able to save. It showed us, first of all, how destructive we can be as humans, but it also showed us what, what, what a single individual, Tzeporah Berman, and a collective outcry can actually do.
[00:11:52] And so, you know, I was well on my way to, you know, my Steve Jobs dream of having my own software company that I had already started since I was a 13 year [00:12:00] old. But at 17, I already knew that, like, this was going to be a longer-term goal that I came back to when I had the experience and the resources to do something about it.
[00:12:10] I have tracked the environmental movement and the conservation movement very closely, you know, all those years I was building Lightspeed. And thinking about how I could bring something new to the table when I was able to build something like Age of Union.
[00:12:25] Carol Eugene Park: My second best of is, is indeed the IRLY episode.
[00:12:29] And I [00:12:30] just, I have to preface that I need, I felt called to say that this was one of my top three because it's cuffing season, baby, it's cuffing season. It is time, the time is now. And I just feel like Connor and his team through UBC, I just feel like they need the support, you know, from all of us single people, and yes, I'm not really part of the demographic, as I learned, uh, in our conversation.
[00:12:56] But I will say, it was really interesting talking to Connor about his [00:13:00] app, because I didn't realize that the younger generation actually wants to date people. But now we're like, the youths want to find love? via the internet? Wild. What did you guys think about that episode?
[00:13:13] Jeevan Sangha: Yeah, I think that episode was for the yearners. It was for the lover boys and the lover girls, um, as much as it also, it was unpacking why we need more tools to help the yearners find the people in their life, So hearing that there's someone at UBC who's like working on something different and [00:13:30] kind of innovative was comforting, a little hopeful too.
[00:13:33] Carol Eugene Park: Hopeful, she says about love.
[00:13:35] Jeevan Sangha: She's trying. It's, the months are getting colder, you know?
[00:13:38] Carol Eugene Park: Are you saying that you're a yearner?
[00:13:39] Jeevan Sangha: Absolutely.
[00:13:40] Carol Eugene Park: You know, perhaps you should start using the app then, because you are at least within the age range. I have too much skepticism. I'm too old. But it is cool because like, it shows that UBC is doing cool things.
[00:13:54] A lot of young people are really being innovative. The young people are using the tech [00:14:00] to create the thing that they feel is missing in their love lives. And I have to say, while that doesn't really work with me, I respect and support it.
[00:14:10] I mean, 50 times better is quite the statement. So, generally people do hate these apps, but what specifically are the gaps that IRLY is addressing?
[00:14:20] Connor Rose: I think the biggest thing is it's really hard to start a conversation on Tinder Bumble and Hinge. Hinge does an okay job with their prompts, but [00:14:30] really, what are you going to say to someone on Tinder when they don't have a bio and it's just a few pictures, right?
[00:14:35] It's very hard to gauge someone's personality and interest. You know, so there's crazy statistics, like 90 percent of matches don't even send a first message on Tinder, right? Which is really, really bad. And then if you look even deeper, 57 percent of the messages sent on Tinder are one message conversations.
[00:14:50] So like, you send out as hey, and they just never hit you back. And ultimately, we're thinking like, why is this? And we basically rebuilt a dating profile from scratch to figure out [00:15:00] ways that we could get people more engaged in learning about the other people. So basically, what we've done is we've built in this game mechanism that help you uncover more about your matches personality through guessing about them.
[00:15:10] For example, one of our, our favorite games is called hot takes and how it works is let's say you set up a profile like Carol or Jeevan. You answer a few questions about yourself and what, what your takes are about controversial topics. Like, do you split the bill on the first day type of thing? Right. And then I'd go on your profile, and I'd basically guess [00:15:30] what I think you'd answer.
[00:15:31] So like, let's say, you know, you come onto my profile, and it says, does Connor split the bill on the first date? Right. And you say, like yes. And my answer was, no, I don’t, and I'll pay for it. And then that, that just starts the conversation. Basically, like it gives you like so much more about the person versus just like, you know, a prompt where they have to, you know, their friend could have written it, you know what I mean?
[00:15:51] Like, it's just a really more authentic way to learn about the person. And I think when you look at the legacy dating platforms like eHarmony, like Plenty of Fish, things like that, [00:16:00] like they had a lot of depth, but no offense to them, not taking shots at our competitors, but they're pretty boring, right?
[00:16:05] It's like, you're going to read someone's CV if you want to date them? Probably not, right? But building out an engaging platform with a little bit more depth is basically what we're trying to do.
[00:16:15] Jeevan Sangha: Love it.
[00:16:15] Kylé McPhedran: So, wait, Carol, both your picks are tech. Are, are you a tech bro? Do you love a tech bro?
[00:16:20] Carol Eugene Park: I like the salary of a tech bro.
[00:16:23] Kylé McPhedran: Ooh, don't we all? My number one comment about that episode is no episode has made me feel older, but also [00:16:30] really highlighting cool UBC programs, and I thought that was pretty great.
[00:16:33] Carol Eugene Park: The holidays are all about donations. As a perfect segue, Jeevan, what are your picks?
[00:16:41] Jeevan Sangha: Okay, so I'm going to start us off by taking us back to the summer, uh, when we talked to Dr. Pennefather about UBC acquiring Shakespeare's first folio. That conversation was so fun, particularly because of how creative and just like cool Dr. Pennefather was. I especially loved his comments about making literature [00:17:00] more interactive and sort of the like new digital media opportunities for different kinds of like older texts.
[00:17:07] So here's a bit more from him about that.
[00:17:10] Dr. Pennefather: Again, alumni from the Master of Digital Media program, so strong UBC connection, which I loved. How can we recreate Shakespeare and thinking of, of this scene and the characters in VR? And what's going to be interesting to people? Should we just tell the story again?
[00:17:29] And the answer was [00:17:30] no. Unequivocally no, because we wanted to be creating some type of immersive and responsive environment. So, what we did was everyone is a ghost. You come in multiplayer, 15 people at a time, you put on your headset, you are all assembled as ghosts and what you need to do, and it's a little dramatic irony, you know, like when we know what the story is already. And we're like, he did it, man. We know [00:18:00] Macbeth did it. No, he did it.
[00:18:01] But the job of the ghost is to uncover clues. To help the other characters realize that Macbeth and Lady Macbeth are responsible. So, that involved triggering sounds to wake up the porter, because there's a porter at the beginning of that scene and, you know, you hear knocking at the door and it's Macduff and he's knocking and he's knocking and the porter won't let him in because he's sleeping and he keeps coming up with [00:18:30] excuses. It's a brilliant comedic turn in that play.
[00:18:34] And so we thought, okay, uh, we need to help McDuff wake up the porter. Oh my God. Suddenly you have something immersive. Suddenly you're placing the players, the humans, giving them that responsibility to wake up the porter to get the scene going. So really, we had the scenes as-is, no recreation. [00:19:00] It was the script as it is, but the, the scene could not move forward without the help of the audience, the audience is transformed, right? It's, it's no longer a passive audience. It's, it's an audience that is engaged. They can speak to each other. It was absolute chaos and people loved it.
[00:19:19] So that's an example of how I've been rethinking with others, right? How do we, how do we create more immersive experiences of Shakespeare?
[00:19:26] Carol Eugene Park: I liked [00:19:30] him and I liked his energy, and I learned a lot and it was kind of traumatizing reliving my English major days but we love a little Shakespeare moment. Okay. Anyway, on to the next one Jeevan.
[00:19:41] What's yours?
[00:19:42] Jeevan Sangha: Okay, so a little bit more somber, especially now that we're post U. S. election, but our conversation with Paul Quirk was very illuminating. I think Carol and I were both overwhelmed with the amount of information about the U. S. election on our feeds. And there was something about our conversation. [00:20:00] with Paul that helped me feel like I had more tools to understand what was going on. And the words that he spoke to us about how Canadian democracy may be impacted by the results of the U. S. election, which we all know now how it's gone, rang in my head for days after the election. Carol, what did you think?
[00:20:17] Carol Eugene Park: You know, it's weird because obviously I know words like democracy, but I felt like he actually like added to those words instead of just being buzzwords. And it kind of created like a very intense moment [00:20:30] where I was like oh like this isn't just theory we're talking about anymore this isn't just a paragraph in the textbook this is a thing that's actually going to happen while I'm alive so I think that's what shook me with that conversation like it's going to be different this time in a way that we've never seen before so love that
[00:20:48] Jeevan Sangha: so yeah, let's hear more from Paul about that You know, Canada is about to enter an election cycle of its own as well, and, you know, the state of democracy in [00:21:00] Canada. How might this election impact Canadian politics or Canadian democratic rights, if at all?
[00:21:07] Dr. Paul Quirk: The most important thing here about democracy in Canada, is that if Trump and Republicans win the election and it does lead toward a serious erosion of democracy in the United States. What that would mean more concretely is that the United States would have elections in the near future, in which there were so much pressure [00:21:30] on electoral management systems, on the administration of elections and so much facilitation of cheating, possibly intimidation of people who don't cooperate using the powers of government, so that there would be elections that really weren't. There would still be elections, but they would not really be competitive because of the degree to which the sums on the scales were favoring Republicans and then a government in power due to those [00:22:00] things, right?
[00:22:00] So the thing that I think is most relevant about this is that authoritarian governments don't like neighbors that have actual democracy. The leading examples of that are, uh, Russia and China, both of which have authoritarian systems, have been very concerned to try to prevent dissatisfaction within their own countries and pressure for democracy within their own countries by [00:22:30] finding ways to harm other countries that had democracy.
[00:22:34] I think it's actually quite realistic to say that in the worst-case scenario where the United States has highly compromised democracy or even mostly authoritarian system with basically bogus elections in the near future, the governments put in place by that means would put pressure on Canadians. Find ways to make it difficult for, uh, democratic parties [00:23:00] in Canada, find ways to prefer parties that strayed from democratic practices and move toward authoritarian practices. So, I think there is a risk to Canada.
[00:23:12] There's another kind of risk, which is less dramatic, and that is just the risk of imitation. That is, if looks like you can persuade the public to re-elect you in the United States after taking actions to try to steal an election, a party in Canada [00:23:30] could infer the same thing might be possible in Canada just by means of imitation. I have no basis for making any accusation that any party in Canada has been influenced by that kind of reasoning, but it is a possibility. But I think maybe the more important one is that an authoritarian United States would be hostile to democracy in Canada,
[00:23:55] Jeevan Sangha: And then my last pick is something a little lighter. It was [00:24:00] our collab episode with the alumni wine club, where Carol and I got to taste some awesome wine from Moon Cursor. And I just, I just had so much fun. One, learning more about all the different ways that UBC is involved with wine really broadly, but also just getting to chat with Carol and like joke around over a glass of wine was really, really fun. So yeah, let's hear a little snippet from our silly conversation that day. Now, I'm not a super avid wine drinker, but I hear Carol is something of a [00:24:30] connoisseur.
[00:24:30] Carol Eugene Park: I am what the youths call a millennial cliche. I love hashtag wine o'clock, hashtag wine down with wine.
[00:24:38] Jeevan Sangha: Hashtag Rosé all day, I'm guessing, too.
[00:24:40] Carol Eugene Park: Oh yeah, all day, every day. See, this is proof that Gen Zs are justified in their constant bullyment of millennials. Uh, I sort of backtrack, uh, I am no connoisseur, I'm simply a woman who loves routine in the form of a Chianti or any other red blend.
[00:24:55] Jeevan Sangha: I have yet to be schooled. I'm looking to my millennial sister to teach me a little more, [00:25:00] but it's tasting pretty good. It's, it's light. It's, it's doing what I need it to do on a Saturday afternoon.
[00:25:06] Carol Eugene Park: So, in today's episode, we teamed up with our friends in the Alumni UBC ecosystem, including the Land and Food Systems faculty and the Alumni UBC Wine Club.
[00:25:15] Jeevan Sangha: And much to my surprise, UBC is actually really into wine, in more ways than one.
[00:25:20] Carol Eugene Park: Yeah, I mean, UBC has winemaking classes, world renowned research, a wine library, occasional events with industry experts, and so much more. So, in [00:25:30] addition to talking about these beautiful Mooncursor wines that we're drinking, more on that later, we've included some expert voices from a recent panel on how UBC and BC winemakers are dealing with the ongoing climate crisis. All of which we're going to dive in in today's episode with some support from fellow UBC alumni and wine experts.
[00:25:48] Jeevan Sangha: Now for those of you who, like Carole and I, were in the dark about the club existing in the first place, Alumni UBC Wine Club is a free club for you guessed it, UBC alumni to get exclusive access to [00:26:00] wines from Okanagan wineries. Each quarter, the club partners with wineries in the region that are owned and operated by UBC alumni themselves, offering exclusive pricing and bundles that you can opt into with club membership.
[00:26:11] Carol Eugene Park: With a strong emphasis on education, members have access to tons of information about the wines and the story of the UBC alumni who came to build careers in the industry. Things like tasting notes, industry insights, and so much more.
[00:26:26] Jeevan Sangha: For this quarter, Alumni UBC partnered with Mooncursor Vineyards, [00:26:30] which is the reason Carol, and I have the pleasure of drinking on the job today.
[00:26:34] Carol Eugene Park: It wasn't silly, it was authentic. It was genuine.
[00:26:39] Kylé McPhedran: Genu-wine?
[00:26:43] Carol Eugene Park: Mm hmm.
[00:26:44] Kylé McPhedran: They're still selling cool BC wines, so you guys should hit those up for your holiday gifting and drinking. But also, I was very jealous, I did not get to drink the wine So my memories of this episode, to be frank, are mixed.
[00:26:56] Jeevan Sangha: Valid. Very valid. I hear you.
[00:26:59] Carol Eugene Park: But so that's [00:27:00] great. We love a little season wrap up. And I think it's really important to do a performance review for From Here Forward to really end the season with a bang, if you will. So, Jeevan, are you ready for a performance review from your producer Kylé and from your amazing co host, myself?
[00:27:19] Jeevan Sangha: Yes, and I'm definitely not terrified.
[00:27:21] Carol Eugene Park: I'm going to give it to our older millennial to start it off.
[00:27:25] Kylé McPhedran: I genuinely wish that eye rolls were audible, so you could have heard mine. I [00:27:30] want to do your performance review, Carol. JK, JK. Jeevan, you are the nicer host, hands down.
[00:27:35] Jeevan Sangha: You know, I may be the nicer host, but Carol is definitely the funnier host.
[00:27:39] Carol Eugene Park: Thank you. I agree. I mean, I don't really have too many notes other than you speak very eloquently and in a way that you rein me in, in ways that sometimes I don't know if you need to, but sometimes I do feel you need to, and it's great. But it's been great speaking with you and being part of a younger crowd, if you will. I learn a [00:28:00] lot from you and about your youth. Um, so it's been great, 9 out of 10 for me.
[00:28:04] Jeevan Sangha: Okay. That was lovely. Uh, but I'm going to flip it back on both of you. It's time for a little performance review. So maybe let's start with Carol. Carol, you bring A sense of levity that I sometimes need, and I think that it is so fun and appreciated you make these conversations. It's so much fun and so interesting. Um, so it's been so fun being here this year. I [00:28:30] genuinely love this so much. So, thanks for having me, guys.
[00:28:33] Carol Eugene Park: And that's enough emotions. So, thanks to all of our listeners, it's been an incredible year of speaking and learning from our incredible alumni UBC family. Jeevan and I wouldn't be doing this amazing work without your support, so please, please subscribe and leave us a comment on Apple Podcasts. From the deepest steps of my frosty, frosty little heart, thank you for your love.
[00:28:55] Jeevan Sangha: Seconding all of that and also reminding you that if you've missed any episodes [00:29:00] from this year, this is the perfect time to go back and check them out. And links to all the episodes that we shouted out today are in our show notes.
[00:29:05] Carol Eugene Park: Make sure you catch our next episode in the new year by subscribing or following our show on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts.
[00:29:13] And I'm going to say this really nicely because it's the holidays. Please drop us a nice review. I'm no longer on X or Twitter, whatever you still want to call it, but you can find me on Blue Sky at Carol Eugene Park. It is Way more fun [00:29:30] to be on that part of the internet.
[00:29:31] Jeevan Sangha: I have not moved to Blue Sky yet, but Carol's making a strong case for it, so for now, you can still find me on Twitter at Jeevan K Sangha. From Here Forward is an alumni UBC podcast produced by Podium Podcast Company.