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Welcome to Greater than Ball, where we help parents like you mentor and grow your child's skills in competitive sports. We believe that a growth mindset is essential for success in any field, and we offer tips and advice on how to instill this mindset in your child. We also discuss the importance of balance, positive reinforcement, and teaching life lessons through sports.
Genghis Mendoza (00:01.485)
Welcome everyone to the Greater Than Ball podcast. I'm your host, Kingis Mendoza, and we're here with our guests, Nathaniel Arnaldo and Glenda Wong. And we're here to discuss this week's episode of the Greater Than Ball podcast. We're gonna talk about the growth mindset. What does that mean for your child? How do they play competitive sports with a growth mindset? And we just watched a recent video of Giannis being interviewed by a reporter.
Nathaniel (00:01.664)
Welcome everyone to the Greater Than Ball podcast. I'm your host, Genghis Mendoza, and we're here with our guests, Nathaniel Arnaldo and Glenda Wong. And we're here to discuss this week's episode of the Greater Than Ball podcast. We're gonna talk about the growth mindset. What does that mean for your child? How do they play competitive sports with growth mindset? And we just watched a recent video of Giannis being interviewed by a reporter.
Genghis Mendoza (00:29.505)
the end of his long season where they lost to the Heat. Their championship run was ended by Jimmy Buckets and the Heat team. And one of the reporters had asked specifically, do you see your season as a failure? Now, most people in that moment would probably be angry, tested, upset. I'd walk out if it was me. Maybe.
Nathaniel (00:30.012)
end of his long season where they lost to the Heat. Their championship run was ended by Jimmy Buckets and the Heat team. And one of the reporters had asked specifically, you see your season as a failure. Now most people in that moment would probably be angry, tested, upset. I'd walk out if it was me. Maybe not the best of spirits.
Genghis Mendoza (00:57.761)
not the best of spirits in that time to be asked that type of question. But Yannis' reply was something that exemplified a growth mindset where Yannis spoke to the hard work and effort he approached this entire season. And you can see and hear him talk about what that meant for him, that his season wasn't a failure, but more of a success. And
Nathaniel (00:59.384)
in that time to be asked that type of question. But Yannis' reply was something that exemplified a growth mindset where Yannis spoke to the hard work and effort he approached this entire season. And you can see and hear him talk about what that meant for him, that his season wasn't a failure, but more of a success. And that is key for a competitive athlete.
Genghis Mendoza (01:25.753)
That is key for competitive athletes to have that type of growth mindset, to take failure, take the challenges they face and turn them into something specific that they can learn from and continue to improve and grow their game. And I found that astonishingly beautiful because of the way he presented that example of a growth mindset, especially on that stage at that level. And it was on all the
Nathaniel (01:29.144)
have that type of growth mindset. They take failure, take the challenges they face, and turn them into something specific that they can learn from and continue to improve and grow their game. And I found that astonishingly beautiful because of the way he presented that example of a growth mindset, especially on that stage at that level. And it was on all the talking head shows the following day, talking about how
Genghis Mendoza (01:54.501)
talking head shows the following days, talking about how, you know, it said this and that and this and that, but I'm sure you honestly didn't care because you looked at it as a point of view to educate the media and most of the public about his way of thinking. Did you guys see the video, Nat?
Nathaniel (01:59.084)
You know, I said this and that, this and that, but... Sure. I'm sure, yeah, because we looked at it as a point of view to educate the media and most of the public about his way of thinking. Did you guys see the video, Nat? I did. And I think what I loved most about it is that he clearly said that just because they lost, the season isn't a failure.
Nathaniel (02:27.652)
I know that there's probably a lot of alpha out athletes out there that it's, you know, like the great ones. That's what they typically say. That's kind of their canned response. Yes, this season's a failure because we didn't win the championship or in football. Oh, yes, it's a failure because we didn't win the Super Bowl. When in reality, again, like you mentioned, the growth mindset is all about first embracing the challenge and not looking at failure as something that you can't learn from.
Nathaniel (02:57.804)
We can all learn from our failures. We can all learn from our mistakes. And then apply those lessons and just get better. So yeah, I did watch the video. I found it refreshing. And I love the fact, too, that he told the reporter at the beginning, you asked me this question last year. And then you could see him composing himself and rubbing his head and looking down and really wanting to give a good answer, a good response. So good on him for doing that.
Genghis Mendoza (02:57.881)
Yes.
Nathaniel (03:27.72)
So absolutely. Yeah. Blanda, what did you think?
Genghis Mendoza (03:28.173)
Absolutely. Blender, what did you think?
Nathaniel (03:51.872)
He did call the reporter out a little bit. You could tell he was a little irritated and called the guy out, but he related it back to the reporter's situation to say, hey, if you don't get promoted every year, did you fail? I think it's a good way of bringing it back to real life, because I do think that in professional sports, they're kind of held to really unrealistic expectations, and I think that's what Yonah was trying to point out.
Nathaniel (04:19.596)
that like, hey, you know, not everyone wins everything or gets promoted or advances every year or every season of their lives. It's all a process and it just helps people to relate back to the fact that, hey, you know what, these athletes, they're people too.
Genghis Mendoza (04:34.149)
Yep.
Nathaniel (04:34.632)
And they're developing and growing and working towards a goal just like anyone else is. And so to hold them to the unrealistic standards of like, hey, you didn't win this season so it must have been a total failure, it's not fair. But I like the message because I think when young athletes watch a video like this, they'll learn from it. And they'll realize like, gosh, even a guy like Giannis, you know, views not winning a champion.
Nathaniel (05:02.284)
or not getting as far as he wants in any given season, he doesn't even view it as failure. Why do I feel so bad about myself? So I loved it. It was a little aggressive at first. I felt really bad for that reporter. He just put on the spot. But I thought it was a great way for Yannis to kind of bring it back to like, like the real life situation. Like, you know, none of us, you know, are failures because we didn't advance every year. I don't get a promotion.
Genghis Mendoza (05:18.565)
Thank you.
Nathaniel (05:32.773)
I mean, not a lot of people do. And so then are the rest of us failures? Because we haven't. And it's a good way to look at it. Yeah, I agree. Something happened this past weekend. We had games with a lot of, well, my son had games with a lot of the up to AAU teams for the grassroots program. And they were, their hybrid team, 10, 11, and they were playing in the 11. So.
Genghis Mendoza (05:39.589)
I agree. Something happened this past weekend. We had games with a lot of, well, my son had games with a lot of the top tier AAU teams for the grassroots program. And they were their hybrid team, 10, 11, and they were playing in an 11U. So a lot of the teams they were playing were a lot taller, faster, more athletic than the younger kids. And so.
Nathaniel (06:00.96)
a lot of the teams that were playing were a lot taller, faster, more athletic than the younger kids. So coach decided to have them play up, but we knew that they would be facing taller kids, more like the kids who are faster can jump higher. And in the process, we had a few games where the score was like 40 or 50 points differential. And so one.
Genghis Mendoza (06:09.689)
Coach decided to have them play up, but we knew that they would be facing taller kids, more out-legged kids who were faster, could jump higher. And in the process, we had a few games where the score was like 40 or 50 points differential. And so one team that we played against, they're number one in our particular LMU team, our age group.
Nathaniel (06:30.432)
team that we played against, they're number one, our particular LFMU team, our age group, we were down by something around 20 points, 24 points at the half. And the team was looking defeated. They weren't playing anymore. They weren't playing with any passion. And so coach was on the sideline trying to motivate them, telling them, hey, we still have things to learn.
Genghis Mendoza (06:40.057)
We're down by something around 20 points, 24 points at the half. And the team was looking defeated. They weren't playing anymore. They weren't playing with any passion. And so coach was on the sideline, um, trying to motivate them, telling them, Hey, we still have things to learn from this season. We still have things to learn from this game. There are things that we practice every day at practice that I want to see implemented so that we can be challenged when we're on the court.
Nathaniel (06:59.384)
from the season, we still have things to learn from this game. There are things that we practice every day, a practice that I want to see implemented so that we can be challenged when we're on the court. I was going through my checklist of the growth mindset, he mentioned challenges, he mentioned effort, he mentioned praise for the improvements in the game. He's bringing all the values that bring about a growth mindset. And I thought, despite the loss, despite the...
Genghis Mendoza (07:10.401)
I was going through my checklist of a growth mindset. You mentioned challenges, he mentioned effort, he mentioned praise for the improvements in their game. He's bringing all the values that bring up a growth mindset. And I thought, despite the loss, despite the number of points that we're down by, the kids need to be encouraged at that moment to realize that it's not about the one or zero winning or loss binary.
Nathaniel (07:29.12)
number of points that were down by, the kids need to be encouraged at that moment to realize that it's not about the one or zero winning or loss binary outcome of the game, but more so about the effort and the learnings that they'll take away. I went up to Riz after a coach had talked to them and said, hey, don't look at the score, just do everything that you know what to do, how to do, and do it to the best of you.
Genghis Mendoza (07:40.001)
outcome of the game, but more so about the effort and the learnings they'll take away. I went up to Riz after Coach had talked to them and I said, hey, don't look at the score, just do everything that you know what to do, how to do, and do it to the best that you can and bring that effort in the second half. And Riz, sure enough, came out and he was driving to the lane, getting to the basket, and at the free throw line.
Nathaniel (07:58.728)
and bring that effort and second half. And Riz, sure enough, came out and he was driving to the lane, getting to the basket, and at the free throw line, he basically scored the majority of the points in the game. Wow. But I was proud of him because he asserted his effort and was challenging himself rather than looking at the outcome of the game and the end game. There'll be moments like that, especially in competitive sports where...
Genghis Mendoza (08:09.369)
He basically scored the majority of the points in the game. But I was proud of him because he asserted his effort and was challenging himself rather than looking at the outcome of the game and the end game. There'll be moments like that, especially in competitive sports, where you can't control your athleticism or the team's athleticism or overall feel. And I think for parents to recognize that, for parents to see moments where they can.
Nathaniel (08:27.788)
can't control your athleticism or the team's athleticism or overall feel. And I think for parents to recognize that, for parents to see moments where they could take that losing effort and turn it into something more meaningful, more applicable to where your child is at. That's where they will learn and grow in that experience. Has that happened to you before, Blonda?
Genghis Mendoza (08:39.365)
take that losing effort and turn it into something more meaningful, more applicable to where your child is at. That's where they will learn and grow in that experience. Has that happened to you before, Blunda?
Genghis Mendoza (09:03.714)
I think you're there.
Nathaniel (09:03.926)
I think you're there.
Genghis Mendoza (09:07.693)
Alright.
Genghis Mendoza (09:10.433)
No worries. Oh, no worries. I was asking, has there ever been a moment where you've been parenting your child and they were up against the odds? Did you take a time out or did you talk to them or did you pull them aside or what is that experience like for you, raising a child in competitive sports?
Nathaniel (09:10.704)
No words. Did you ask a question? Is it my turn to talk? Sorry. Tell your kids. 10 seconds. Oh, no worries. I was asking, has there ever been a moment where you've been parenting a child and they were up against the odds? Did you take a timeout or did you talk to them or did you pull them aside or what is that experience?
Nathaniel (09:42.424)
Yeah, or net-net. Who wants to go? Oh, I thought it was Blenda. It's okay. No worries. You know, I'll take this on the side of non-sports, right? Although it has happened, I think this is actually good to also transition into a life skill. Because quite frankly, a growth mindset you use in your everyday life. Not just on the court, but off the court.
Genghis Mendoza (09:43.425)
Yeah. Or N-N-NAT. Who wants to go?
Genghis Mendoza (10:09.166)
Thank you.
Nathaniel (10:11.516)
For example, my daughter, she just wrapped up her sophomore year in school. During the year, she struggled in chemistry. She came up to her mom and I probably two, three months ago and said, don't get mad, but I have a D in my chemistry class. And you know, the old school me, meaning like 10, 20 years ago, would have probably flew off the handle and gotten all upset. And I said, okay, that's all right.
Nathaniel (10:40.508)
A D is where your effort is right now. Let's just improve it, right, by effort, consistent effort. You know, where do you need to improve? Where do you need to learn? Do you need some extra tutoring? And then just apply yourself. And if you've applied yourself and if you've done everything you could to just improve a little bit every day, I guarantee you that by the end of the semester, you're not going to have a D. I promise you, if you apply yourself, if you put in the effort.
Nathaniel (11:08.752)
If you embrace this challenge of having a D, sure enough, we just had the last day of school, she pulls out her phone, she pulls it out on parent view, she's like, I got a B in my chemistry class. You know, and that, you know, yeah, that's the growth mindset in action, right? We don't avoid challenges, you know, which a lot of people do. They avoid the challenge.
Genghis Mendoza (11:22.896)
That's awesome.
Genghis Mendoza (11:28.109)
Yeah.
Nathaniel (11:35.38)
You know, they clamp up. They don't want to be in the big moment. They don't want to be at the free throw line, you know, to make the shot. They shy away from it. Whereas if you have a growth mindset, you're like, I've done this a hundred times. If it goes in great. If not, it's OK. I did the best I could. So that's my quick example of a growth mindset. So that's a that's a great example. And very true. A lot of the things they learn in competitive sports, especially with months are.
Genghis Mendoza (11:57.321)
That's a great example. And very true, a lot of the things they learn in competitive sports, especially with North mindset, are lessons that can be applied to any aspect of life. So we can call on that. Linda, you have any examples or anything that's happened?
Nathaniel (12:05.3)
lessons that can be applied to any aspect.
Nathaniel (12:09.821)
Linda, do you have any examples or anything that's happening?
Nathaniel (12:29.461)
His coaches loved playing them up. And so they've always been playing older teams, bigger teams. They're probably playing divisions that they had no business playing in. But their coaches liked doing it because it was a challenge for them.
Nathaniel (12:47.228)
So I totally get it and it happened I joke that his team was like that means theirs Remember way back then you know because they lost they lost way more than they ever won and it's because they were always put in these situations Where you know bigger kids divisions in there was no business being in but it taught them to really push through and you know and that it
Nathaniel (13:16.762)
exactly what your coach is and what you told Riz, it's the same thing that Tyler, same message Tyler got. There's a reason, the coaches acknowledge that they're putting them in an uncomfortable situation, but it's intentional, right? It's to really push them, push them to elevate, get uncomfortable with the discomfort, and it's actually really good for them. So.
Nathaniel (13:39.344)
One of the things that we found with Tyler and his team is actually that they actually play better. It's an interesting phenomena. It's actually quite common in basketball, I didn't realize this, but a lot of teams play better when they're playing really the top teams.
Nathaniel (13:56.928)
They just put it all out there and win or lose, at least they know they did everything they could. But on the flip side, if they play teams that are not at their level or too easy, they actually end up playing down. So the interesting thing is they lost to teams that they had no business losing to. But it's because they knew that and they didn't even go out there and try and not surprisingly, they lost. And so there is a lot of value in these lessons of pushing them and having them play up.
Genghis Mendoza (14:04.224)
Thank you.
Genghis Mendoza (14:14.606)
Thank you.
Genghis Mendoza (14:19.845)
Thank you.
Nathaniel (14:27.862)
And there's a limit to it too. We had one season where the coach decided that he was gonna take them to a tournament in Sacramento that was like way above their league. And we lost every game by like, I don't know, 50 points or something. It was really, and then that way we realized that was like too much. Cause it basically demoralized them so much. It took like almost an entire season for them to recuperate from it. It was, that was too much. So there is a limit to pushing
Genghis Mendoza (14:35.077)
Please.
Genghis Mendoza (14:40.835)
And then that was it.
Genghis Mendoza (14:46.746)
Thank you. You're welcome.
Genghis Mendoza (14:54.697)
Right.
Nathaniel (14:56.442)
of getting them to like push themselves because sometimes you don't want to set themselves up for so much failure that they end up feeling demoralized and not wanting to try it all anymore. But I like the idea of pushing kids, putting them in uncomfortable situations and really having them just put their best effort out there. And I think as a parent and as a coach, as long as you reinforce the message that like, hey, the point here wasn't to win.
Genghis Mendoza (15:10.196)
Yeah.
Nathaniel (15:25.28)
The point was, did you walk away from this learning something? Did you walk away doing better than you expected, even if you lost? And there are a lot of games where we play teams that, even as a parent, like mumbling amongst ourselves, it's kind of funny, like with the mom group, we'll walk into a game and, you know, we'll take a look at the other team and know who they are, where they rank, and us moms would be like, we're so good. We're very good at everything. All of it.
Genghis Mendoza (15:30.92)
Yep.
Nathaniel (15:54.388)
like as parents like mentally preparing ourselves for like the slaughter yeah and the game and so the game goes and you know and well don't surprise us like that will only lose by like ten points whereas we thought it was gonna be fifty and that was like the best game we've ever watched them play even though they lost so you know I mean I think
Genghis Mendoza (16:01.895)
Okay.
Genghis Mendoza (16:14.166)
No, sorry.
Nathaniel (16:16.62)
These things, they build character, they bring out things in the kids that they didn't know that they had. Yeah. So I think it's all good. I totally agree. To your point about knowing the difference between getting slaughtered and being challenged, I had an interesting debate at our last travel tournament with...
Genghis Mendoza (16:22.606)
Yeah.
Genghis Mendoza (16:26.625)
I totally agree. To your point about knowing the difference between getting slaughtered and being challenged, I had an interesting debate at our last travel tournament with you hang out with your AAU parents, it's your little clan. And if you're lucky, you find the right parents that you can hang with after the games when you're traveling to a different city. And we were having a couple of drinks.
Nathaniel (16:42.72)
You hang out with your AAU parents, it's your little clan. And if you're lucky, you find the right parents that you can hang with after the games when you're traveling to a different city. And we were having a couple drinks and there was a lively debate between me and another father on our team. And we had a good couple glasses of tequila or whiskey, whatever it was, but we were pretty spirited in our debate. He posited that...
Genghis Mendoza (16:54.189)
And there was a lively debate between me and another father on our team. Um, and you know, we had a good couple glasses of tequila or whiskey or whatever it was, but we were pretty spirited in our debate. Um, my, he posited that winning is the only thing the kids should care about. Winning is the only thing that they care about at this age. And I posited from the growth mindset perspective and said, um,
Nathaniel (17:12.84)
winning is the only thing kids should care about. Winning is the only thing that they care about at this age. And I posited from their growth mindset perspective and said, no, I think you can teach them to learn about losing and help them improve. But we went back and forth about our viewpoints. Winning is the only way. Growth mindset's the only way. And we just agreed to disagree.
Genghis Mendoza (17:23.201)
No, I think you can teach them to learn about losing and help them improve. But we went back and forth about our viewpoints. Winning is the only way, both mindsets are the only way. And we just agreed to disagree, but we're friends, right? And we just agreed to disagree. But I thought about it a couple of days later. And I think to his point, I think it's a balance of both where
Nathaniel (17:41.836)
but we're friends and we just reviewed through the discrete. But I thought about it a couple of days later. And I think to his point, I think it's a balance of both where kids have to be in a position to win, to taste what victory means like, taste what teamwork is, what it means to work with teammates to get a win versus constantly losing and being in an environment of, the moralizing environment where you're not able to win.
Genghis Mendoza (17:53.369)
Kids have to be in a position to win, to taste what victory means like, to taste what teamwork is, what it means to work with teammates to get a win versus constantly losing and being in an environment of demoralizing environment where you're not able to win. And so I think if there's balance, if you can take the wins and run with those wins, but give them a taste of what those wins will be like, and then when they face...
Nathaniel (18:12.392)
And so I think if there's balance, if you can take the wins and run with those wins, but give them a taste of what those wins will be like, and then when they face those losses, you point out the wins in those losses to help them improve their game. So it's a give and take, but it's not one side versus another, one view versus another. It's a balance of both. And if you can put that into your toolkit as parents, you'll be able to say,
Genghis Mendoza (18:22.945)
those losses, you point out the wins in those losses to help them improve their game. So it's a give and take. It's not one side versus another, one view versus another. It's a balance of both. And if you can put that into your toolkit as parents, you'll be able to say, hey, celebrate this win. You worked hard. You challenge yourself. Hey, it's OK that you lost, but there are things that you did well in this game.
Nathaniel (18:40.628)
Hey, celebrate this win, you worked hard. You challenged yourself. Hey, it's okay that you lost, but there are things that you did well in this game that have been proved since the last time you played that. So as a parent, you're going to take different parts of those views to help build their mental strength and mental model of what the growth mindset would be, what winning would taste like, what losing can be a creative learning experience.
Genghis Mendoza (18:50.893)
that have been proved since the last time you played that team. So as a parent, you're going to take different parts of those views to help build their mental strength and mental model of what a growth mindset would be, what winning tastes like, what losing can be a creative learning experience.
Nathaniel (19:10.224)
Absolutely. Do you have anything to add or any? Can I comment on that? Can I come on that real quick? So I'm gonna make an assumption, obviously I wasn't part of the conversation or and I don't know your friend well, but I think I kind of might get where he's coming from with the winning is important idea. So you know, yes we want to celebrate the effort.
Genghis Mendoza (19:11.205)
Um, do you have anything to add or any? Sure.
Nathaniel (19:36.78)
But at the same time, as a parent, I'm not a participation Sophie parent. Me either. I'm very happy to win. Me too. You know what I'm saying? I know that they're not always going to, but the goal is to win. So, we walk away from a game and it was a loss or whatever. I'm not like, oh, it's okay, honey. I mean, you're still wanting to push them and they still should strive for the winning. But...
Genghis Mendoza (19:45.185)
Yeah.
Nathaniel (20:05.984)
The goal is not to be demoralized, but they should still want to win. So I get where your friend's coming from. Their first priority is to win. Those kids should want to win like nothing else. And it's all the effort that goes into it that helps them get there. Now if they don't, is it a complete failure? No, and that's where we kind of step in and our coaches step in as well to kind of help them understand, like, okay, we didn't win, but.
Nathaniel (20:33.148)
Winning was our ultimate goal. We didn't win but there are here are the things that we learned and here the ways that we're progressing To keep them motivated, but I get what your friend is saying like it is there it is like their job is to win that thing You know, so there's but there's lessons we learn Along the way and they're not always going to win So so the growth mindset is to help them not give up when they don't win or they lose more frequently than they win
Genghis Mendoza (20:33.474)
Thank you.
Genghis Mendoza (20:41.346)
It's a mix of...
Nathaniel (21:01.012)
as long as they know that there's progress along the way. But I get it. In sports, the goal is to win. So I get where your thing's coming from. And you might think Tyler and his team lost a game on Thursday. And I didn't think Tyler put his best effort out there. And the first thing I said to him when he came off the court was, I hope you took that personal.
Genghis Mendoza (21:06.54)
Thank you.
Nathaniel (21:21.996)
Because you know what I mean? Because for me, I was just like, you guys should have beat that team. Right. I don't know why you guys lost. So my first question to him was, I hope you took that personal. And I hope that you have in your mind what you're going to work on over the next several days so that doesn't happen again. There you go. So I get where your friend's coming from. It's a mixture of both. It is. I was just taken off guard by his comment because I'd
Genghis Mendoza (21:32.698)
You're a bitch.
Genghis Mendoza (21:37.093)
Mm-hmm.
Genghis Mendoza (21:41.973)
It is. It is. I was just taken off guard by his comment because I don't think winning is everything. But again, I'm not a participation trophy type of parent either. You know, this past weekend, I took your advice. I decided to look away from the court when Rizzi was making free throws because my wife was telling me to turn my head. That way, that way I wasn't influencing his game in any way.
Nathaniel (21:48.564)
don't think winning is everything. But again, I'm not a participation trophy type of parent. I, you know, this past weekend, I took your advice. I decided to look away from the court when Rizzi was making free throws because my wife was telling me to turn my head. That way.
Nathaniel (22:08.4)
That way I was going to see his game in any way. Oh boy. But she was the one that said, look that way. And I did. Thank you for that piece of advice, Wanda. That's hilarious. Sunglasses and a hat maybe next time. Well, if you have sunglasses and a hat, you can actually watch. You won't see your expression. So, Gang, just to kind of recap there, it is important to have both, right? I think where athletes get in trouble is that...
Genghis Mendoza (22:10.897)
but she was the one that said look that way and I did. So thank you. Thank you for that piece of advice Blenda.
Genghis Mendoza (22:21.122)
Thank you.
Nathaniel (22:37.964)
They base their identity on winning and that they have to prove themselves over and over and over again. That's where the athlete gets into trouble because now he thinks it's all on him. When you have this belief that you have to prove yourself over and over and over again, that's a slippery slope. That's what leads to a fixed mindset. Just to throw that in there. I mean, you can even look at the different coaches. John Wooden.
Genghis Mendoza (22:45.006)
Hmm
Genghis Mendoza (22:51.714)
Yes.
Genghis Mendoza (22:57.925)
Hmm.
Nathaniel (23:07.168)
versus Bobby Knight. Mr. Knight was a complete fixed mindset. Like that's, he was hardcore, right? Throwing chairs, you know, and he won. You know, people can't, you know, you can still win with a fixed mindset, right? But then you look at a guy like John Wooden, who was growth, who was, treat all the players the same, give me effort. You're not gonna start now, but maybe in the next two years, you'll be able to start. So there is this balance.
Nathaniel (23:36.532)
I believe so that's all. That's a good thing to remind all parents. Yeah. Maybe you're not exposed to that growth mindset yet, or maybe you're just beginning to learn that and incorporate that in your own life. Or maybe you're listening to this podcast and you're like, what the hell are they talking about? Yeah. And if you're that parent, I would love for you to really take time and think about how you can influence your child and venture them in the way that helps them establish a learning.
Genghis Mendoza (23:38.757)
That's a good thing to remind all parents. Maybe you're not exposed to that growth mindset yet, or maybe you're just beginning to learn that and incorporate that in your own life, or maybe you're listening to this podcast and you're like, what the hell are they talking about? And if you're that parent, I would love for you to really take time and think about how you can influence your child and mentor them in the way that helps them establish a learning growth mindset throughout.
Nathaniel (24:06.476)
growth mindset throughout any experience they have. Because these are the values and fundamentals that will lead into everything else they do. 100%. Competitive sports will be a platform where they learn some of these values and traits. When they get into the corporate world or maybe they start their own entrepreneurial business or whatever it is, maybe it'll be a TED Talk speaker, whatever it is, they will be able to take these lessons that they take off the field, off the court.
Genghis Mendoza (24:07.913)
any experience they have in life. Because these are the values and fundamentals that will bleed into everything else they do. Competitive sports will be a platform where they learn some of these values and traits. And when they get into the corporate world, or maybe they start their own entrepreneurial business, or whatever it is, maybe it will be a TED Talk speaker, whatever it is, they will be able to take these lessons that they take off the field, off the court.
Genghis Mendoza (24:36.297)
in the gym, wherever that is, take these values that they learn and apply it to their own lives, their own daily lives. And I think that's the value that we have to teach our children through competitive sports. And up on time, Nat and Blenda, I want to thank you for taking the time out this week to discuss the growth mindset. I know that this is kind of just blazing over the top of what the growth mindset means. I think I want to
Nathaniel (24:36.436)
in the gym, wherever that is, take these values that they learn and apply it to their own life, their own dealing. And I think that's the value that we have to teach our children through competitive sports. Up on time, Nat and Blenda, I want to thank you for taking time out this week to discuss the growth mindset. You got it. I know that this is kind of just glazing over the top of what the growth mindset means. I think I want to
Genghis Mendoza (25:05.125)
take future episodes and delve a little deeper into how we can apply some of these techniques for our kids today. Once again, thank you for joining us. Oh, sorry.
Nathaniel (25:05.24)
Take future episodes and know a little deeper into how we can apply some of these techniques for our kids today. One quick thing. If you're joining us. One quick thing, G. Parents that are listening, do yourself a favor. If you don't know what a growth mindset is, pick up the book called Mindset by Carol Dweck. Great resource, highly recommended.
Genghis Mendoza (25:25.438)
Mm. Yes.
Nathaniel (25:31.264)
That's it for me. Good point. DeWitt was the person who had actually established the framework for a group.
Genghis Mendoza (25:31.841)
Good point. Dweck was the person who had actually established the framework for a growth mindset. So a great reference. What's that? What do you got there? Oh.
Nathaniel (25:41.036)
great reference. What's that? Yes they are. Yes they are. Yes. Yeah. All right. Thank you everyone. We'll see you next week and we'll bring another topic to the table and I will make sure to bring my sunglasses and hats.
Genghis Mendoza (25:52.421)
So, all right. Thank you, everyone. We'll see you next week, and we'll bring another topic to the table. And I will make sure to bring my sunglasses and hat to the game. I'll take a photo while I'm at the gym. Take care, y'all. Bye.
Nathaniel (26:10.155)
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