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S5 EP23 | It's time to greenlight a finale! Reaching the end of the season, the guys discuss the six potential productions and announce the film chosen by YOU, the listeners!
Two screenwriters attempt to recreate, reimagine, or flat out fix, existing film franchises when 'the studio' demands...MORE FILMS! It's an exercise in creative thinking where they will challenge themselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. | Sixfive Media
Hello, and welcome to the studio. Demands in an exercise in creative thinking where we will conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film or series based on the demands or stipulations from one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. Overlord. As professional screenwriters ourselves and massive cinephiles, we talk movies all time. And we'd like
Jim:to believe This one overlaps. This was it doesn't echo, it overlaps.
T.C.:It overlaps. Like that. But we'd like to believe that we could meet any demand thrown at us. Welcome to the penultimate episode of season five, which saw some pretty fantastic demands from our listeners literally all over the world. And you listening right now, you may very well have given us the demand that will be greenlit by our fans for the finale.
T.C.:Thanks to everyone for an incredible season. Thank you, Jim, as well.
Jim:Thank you, TC.
T.C.:We will be your screenwriters
Jim:Thank you, listeners.
T.C.:For this episode as we go through the six films and tallies for the finale. I am TC DeWitt, and joining me, as always is Jim, the deeper meaning. Bruzelak. Hello, Jim.
Jim:I think that might be one of my favorite middle names.
T.C.:The deeper meaning. Yeah. Yes. I I you you you always seek the deeper meaning
Jim:Right.
T.C.:In film. And before we get into the the numbers here
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And and talk about, what our our finale is gonna be here, there's a couple of things I wanna discuss with you. But one is the deeper meaning because we were having a conversation about messaging in film and the importance of escapism
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And the importance of allegory Mhmm. Especially in our fiction, specifically our fiction, the fiction that we write and consume. Mhmm. And I I wanna talk about that. And I also wanna talk about some potential fun ideas for not just the finale, but for season six, and just looking looking ahead as we as we wrap up this season and we move towards our feature length finale.
T.C.:So thank you everyone who who sent in the votes. We we will get to that momentarily. But, Jim, the deeper meaning, Burzelic. The messaging of film, how do you have you had I I I planted the seed and you really wanna talk about was like, no.
Jim:It's it it, like, immediately started sprouting. I was like, oh, I mean, yeah. But oh, but then there's this and that. Basically, you had brought up specifically I'd several thoughts all at once. So I mean, yes.
Jim:You you sit next to me during movies and then the movie finishes and I'm like, oh, and that had this meeting here and then like, oh, and this totally alludes
T.C.:to this. Yeah. We put our English degrees to work.
Jim:Yeah. We really do.
T.C.:Literary analysis. And my I I have so much fun Literary analysis is so much fun when it's it's it's not taken ultimately, like, super seriously.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:But, like, I love picking apart the layers of scripts and film and choices made by the actors versus the directors and so so, yeah, we yeah. The the messaging we sometimes dissect from films can be make a movie that was good better or make a movie that was bad good.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Or or like you can sometimes it's it's it's mixed, like like, it doesn't do a good job of messaging because it because it sends mixed messages and that that's that's a sign of bad storytelling. But then you had also brought up, right, that notion of escapism. Mhmm.
Jim:And I too do like to escape. But I remember I don't know if I liked stories like this previous to learning this or or or if this is what made me like them that way or if I always would have and but I I learned this fact that I only remember bits of. Mhmm. Mhmm. There was a filmmaker.
Jim:I'm pretty sure a French filmmaker. Mhmm. And I think it was during the war even. The the the the not the great war, the the the World War two, the sequel.
T.C.:Oh, the the sequel. Yeah. Bigger and badder.
Jim:Yeah. I think it was then. He I the the I think the notion was he wanted to make a film that sent a message that that actually, like, energized audiences Mhmm. Made made them want to get up and go and and do stuff, change the world, not not sit down and maybe it wasn't during the war because the the Nazis, once they occupied France, were quite strict about things that could be seen in in in in filmed. So maybe it wasn't that.
Jim:Maybe it was after. I'm I'm not sure. But he he he wanted to he wanted to message to the audiences and energize them in a way that made them leave the movie and want to change the world, change things, change even the things the movie was about. Right? But what they noticed is, like like, I guess in talking to people after and stuff, the movie ended happily.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And so audiences didn't leave with the notion of this needs to change. They left with the notion of, oh, was set right. Even though in the real world it wasn't. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Jim:The the escapism of, oh, in the fiction, everything was set right. So that actually curbed any desire to go out and change things.
T.C.:I see. Okay. Well, Francois Truffaut Was
Jim:it Truffaut?
T.C.:Well well, Truffaut said Truffaut. Truffaut said there's no such thing as an anti war film. Like, believed that, film expresses joy in making cinema or agony of making cinema, that's it. Mhmm. Which isn't what your point is, but, so I'm I'm trying to think which French filmmakers of the tech Jean Luc Godard would definitely have been someone who had very clear messaging in his film.
Jim:I very well could also be misremembering a bunch of stuff.
T.C.:Yeah. But the the notion of a film being so satisfying that you don't leave the theater wanting to enact change on your own life was Kind of. Yeah. A fallacy that he created.
Jim:Sort of.
T.C.:I see.
Jim:Yeah. I I mean, that makes it sound way bigger than it was. It it would be like right. What what's what's happening to prices? Prices are going up.
Jim:Everything is going up and it's terrible. Mhmm. So in the movie, prices are going up and the characters are trying to solve why it's happening and they find out, oh, it was the governor doing it. Just just the governor and they take the governor down Mhmm. And the prices fall Oh, no.
Jim:And the movie ends happy and everyone leaves the movie theater happy Mhmm. And no one goes to try to change prices.
T.C.:Got it. Yeah.
Jim:Right? It that kind of thing rather than the everyone gets riled up by this movie and leaves the theater and is like, we gotta do something about this. They they instead, because it was a happy ending there, they moved forward like, oh, it's it's fine. It's happy. And interestingly, now that I think about that, that kinda correlates to other things the way the human mind works in concentration camps, it wasn't a study.
Jim:There was a group. I forget which camp it was, but there was a group that would sit down together and they would talk to each other. They would describe meals. Mhmm. And they would they would imagine eating those meals and they remained healthier than the other people in the the the camps.
Jim:So it's it's sort of a mind over matter kind of thing, and I I'm think I'm making a correlation between that and stories. So when your story has a happy ending, you go into life, even if it's miserable story. Yeah. Feel feeling good, feeling better, and that is good and important. But when it undermines motivating changing your world for the better Mhmm.
Jim:I think that might be a problem. Or or it's might be that might be a little too extreme to say it's it is a problem. Mhmm. What that relates to because you had you had you had talked about escapism and how and how I do things a bit different. Mhmm.
Jim:And I don't think it's it's necessarily all that different, but thinking about the the episodes we've done. Some some of our episodes, I very much often like happy endings as well. I like I do like the good guys to win. Mhmm. But there are certain genres and certain movies where it shouldn't go that way.
Jim:The first one comes to mind is our Blade Runner episode Mhmm. Which wasn't even this season. That was the season previous.
T.C.:Yeah. It doesn't have a great ending.
Jim:I very much wanted a very dismal ending.
T.C.:Yes. Yes. Which is, in hindsight, the correct way to go. I think I fought against it because I wanted the Right.
Jim:And and I get that. It's like, no. We why why do you wanna kill all those people? Because that that's the that's the tragedy. That's the terribleness of of a situation like that.
Jim:It it is a dystopia. Dystopias don't get to end happy.
T.C.:Right. And and there goes to messaging in my my favorite genre for presenting a message
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:That should leave the audience thoughtful is science fiction. We've talked about this My many favorite science fiction holds up a mirror. And whether you know it or not, you're you are it's reflecting back the current times. Mhmm. And just by chance, all six of our movies are sci fi this season of our six options.
T.C.:Just by chance Mhmm. We have chosen six movies that are science fiction.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:One of our listeners drew a point to that, that pretty much all six of these movies have the possibility to have deep social commentary to our current world.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:And and that it didn't dawn on me, but once it was once that was suggested, by the listener, was like, oh, shit. You're right. There there's that and then there goes into our deliberate nature and messaging
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:The deeper meaning of things. I, in my writing, allow my subconscious to come up often, very often. Sometimes I do go out of my way to go, this is going to be about depression, this is going to be about grief.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:But oftentimes that stuff just comes out anyway. Mhmm. I'm using my art and my writing and my storytelling as a form of therapy, a way of coping with the things that I'm dealing or not dealing with. And I I had suggested that I use my escapism and messaging different than you do, but that's not fair to you because you you do, I'm certainly, as a writer, as an artist, you help and someone who's so intelligent, you can't help but put messaging into your story.
Jim:Keep flattering me.
T.C.:You're one of the smartest guys I know, Jim. You have the best vocabulary of any person I associate with on a regular basis.
Jim:I like it
T.C.:so much. But I'm I I I I wonder sometimes if those deeper meanings should be this kinda goes to your liminal core thesis you've been developing over this entire season. Yeah. Sometimes I think messaging can either be too heavy handed where it then pushes people away or not clear enough where the messaging is muddy. And it it's it all just comes down to how someone wants to tell a story and what their purpose behind telling a story is.
T.C.:And ultimately, think my purpose in storytelling is to escape reality and just feel good.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:And if messaging sneaks out, that's fine too. But I'm I'm you you as soon as I planted the seed that we tell stories differently, you immediately wanted to respond. Like, well, how do I message? What is the what am I like, so do you have do you feel that you have any intent in in your storytelling given given that this is a screenwriting podcast?
Jim:Is it Absolutely. I I I have things that come out. I I don't know how often they they come out deliberately, but I I I know it has happened. We went for example, we went back and forth. We didn't talk about we wrote a script we've dubbed, where's Santa?
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:During that, there there was back and forth on how to portray some of the characters. And even I waffled back and forth with with one imprint. The sort of the he's not a villain.
T.C.:He's antagonistic.
Jim:Yeah. The the the the jerk. There there there's a jerk character.
T.C.:The the cowardly jerk.
Jim:Yeah. And there were times where I was like, well, let's not make him so cowardly or or he doesn't have to have all the traits of a terrible person. He can have one or two good ones. And then through through the drafts that would go back and forth like, nah, make him the worst.
T.C.:Make him the worst. It's funnier.
Jim:Yeah. Or then, well, pull this one back. And and and there are reasons that come out that that that comes out. I got onto I actually tangent tangented away from who I initially meant to talk about. I didn't mean for that guy to be the central.
Jim:It was actually the the the sidekick character.
T.C.:Well, Windows. What? The sidekick to the cop?
Jim:No. No. No. The best the best friend.
T.C.:Bobby Kyle.
Jim:Bobby Kyle. Yeah. Bobby Kyle is sort of the character I related to more because deep seated personality issues that I should probably be on a couch talking to someone about.
T.C.:Essentially, just for the sake of listeners who don't have all the context here, it's a, Shaun of the Dead type movie where the main character would be Shaun and the Bobby Cal sidekick character is Nick Frost. Yeah. So, like, the the plucky sidekick. Yeah.
Jim:And so the things that happened to that character and the things that character did, the way they portrayed themselves, like like, we would we would have we never fought. I don't even know if they even rose to arguments. Mhmm. But we'd have discussions over like minutiae because I get I get caught up in minutiae. Like, he shouldn't he should say the line, but he shouldn't say it that way.
Jim:And I know that's not quite what you're talking about. Like, this is gonna be about grief. Right. That I know that's not quite the same thing. I'm I'm writing another script right now where I'm I don't know that I'm necessarily purposely doing it, but I I it's it's kind of channeling all of all of sort of the the this not a regular thing, but I'm tapping into sort of an undercurrent of nihilism Mhmm.
Jim:Mhmm. That that I have in
T.C.:Certainly. And I'm aware of this script. This is the the the support group. Right? Yeah.
Jim:Okay. Yes. Yeah. And because because it very much drives the characters, and it it indulges in those feelings of of nihilism and a weird contentness in hopelessness.
T.C.:Like, hey, look how free you are by giving up.
Jim:A little bit. A little bit of that.
T.C.:Like, that's some dark stuff.
Jim:It is. Yeah. There there's there's a thing that that that's known to happen. When people who are suicidal finally decide they're going to do it Mhmm. People have noted, like, that next day, they're very happy.
Jim:They're they're giving away their things, it's because they've decided. Mhmm. And and thus, that that weight is suddenly lifted, and they know it's gonna end. And so the script sort of touches on on that kind of feeling. So not not not necessarily a little bit of freedom in in hopelessness, but sort of that as well, the the the sort of weight being lifted off in in giving into the worst Mhmm.
Jim:Of of our drives. Mhmm.
T.C.:Well, having a movie that presents that that's I know you tend to lean towards the Lovecraftian, gothic
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Type horror. That that is a onion worth peeling back to look at the layers of. And that's that's a that's a very intellectual I was your intelligence earlier that your intellect to to create something More. More. Those type of films, well, not sci fi.
T.C.:It's it's more of a cerebral cerebral horror that I am always drawn to as well, like that mouth of madness type of, like, what does this say about us? Like, our insignificance in the grand scheme of the universe, and that's that's some dark escapism
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Where it's almost like, it's the in escapism. Like, god, you stare in the void and the void stares back kind of stuff. Yeah. And, like, what does that ask of you as the the person indulging in the story? Like, I I think there's, some deep exploration of literary analysis within that stuff.
T.C.:Sure. But, ultimately, I come down to blockbusters. I'm a blockbuster cinema cinema kinda guy. And so when I love a film like we'll just choose Avengers Endgame, which is what we were talking about earlier tonight, where it's like, oh, it's a fun punch. Beat the bag.
T.C.:Good versus evil. But, you know, there's enough in there to dissect to that is a there's deeper layers in there. Whether they're intentional or not, there's enough information there to draw from and develop a thesis from. Yeah. You you had you had said something recently where I was like, I I don't agree with your thesis, but you've given enough information that I can't fight you on.
T.C.:I think it was after we watched Venom three. I think you might have said something. Maybe it was that, but it was just a matter of, like, I'm I'm choosing to look at the messaging of this movie
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And I'm choosing the I'm I'm selecting the reinforcements of that. Now I'm gonna present it is, that's there's there's some fun to be had in that. And there's also some danger in that, though, because some people will choose to message movies to their tastes Right. Against what seem seemingly the movie's trying to say.
Jim:Right. We could we could do that with Endgame, starting with Thanos was right. Mhmm. Right? Yeah.
Jim:Thanos was right. And then and then you can you can dissect it from there. You can analyze how all of these heroes, despite being portrayed as doing the right thing.
T.C.:Just all this confirmation bias of Yeah. Of looking at Thanos as the hero.
Jim:What they're doing is they're not looking at the actual problems that were being addressed. Mhmm. They are putting their feels their their their feelings and emotions forefront of of all of humanity. Because, yeah, they're just that that is that is an analysis you could do Mhmm. On that after hours style.
T.C.:Yes. Cracked cracked videos.
Jim:Cracked yeah.
T.C.:Cracked after hours. Definitely a series worth watching for its pedantic y. Yeah. Well, let's look at the six movies we have here. I wanna go from the bottom I wanna thank everyone who voted.
T.C.:Like Yes.
Jim:Thank you
T.C.:very much. And we understand I I I didn't even meant to I didn't even mean to say voting because it's we've I think we've had enough voting
Jim:in this It's always been called voting. I know. We shouldn't have he should change his name. Mike Michael Bolton's my name. He should change his name.
T.C.:He's the one who sucks. Yeah. But thank you for everyone who who threw their their option, their picks out there who had something to say. Interestingly, we started out slow, and it chugged into so, looking at the numbers from last season, we had 628 total votes last season amongst the platforms we threw it out there to.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:We started a little slow, whatever, but we ended up coming with a grand total of 533 votes from our listeners. Alright. So thank you for those who participated in the polls, who who threw it out there. Not a lot of comments this year, but certainly certainly glad to for the people who who wanted to vote and then explain why they chose what they chose. So we can we'll look at some of these.
T.C.:But my favorite comes from Amanda who said, if only Hollywood would just let you guys make movies, I'd watch all of these.
Jim:Please say more.
T.C.:And then from Teresa, I would be very pumped to watch all of these. You guys are great. Thank you.
Jim:Thank you very much.
T.C.:And then from Gareth, I've been waiting for Peter Jackson's remake of dambusters for what feels like fifty years. Thanks, Gareth. Thank you for for commenting.
Jim:Yeah. But
T.C.:but so let's see. I'm trying to say, should I just go to the comments now or wait until we get to the movies that they're specifically speaking of? Oh, shit. And then I just navigated away from the page I had pinned. Oh, god.
T.C.:Oh,
Jim:Oh, vamp vamp Jim. Vamp Jim. So thank you all again for for voting on on I
T.C.:already said that.
Jim:Oh, crap.
T.C.:Yeah. Think think of something else to say.
Jim:I'm I'm curious to know the the ranking of these movies. So Greedo's hair.
T.C.:Yeah. It's
Jim:I could just start making up an ad for something.
T.C.:You to David for our crossover for Zelda, which Oh, yeah. We you know what? That's actually the first comment I wanna go to here. This is coming from let's see here. Ty.
T.C.:Ty says, the correct answer is Back to the Future from episode 100. Wait. It's not there. Well, then it has to be freeze. That's not there either.
T.C.:Well, then it it's then it should be Deadpool three. Damn it. Alright. For real droids. So it was not easy for us to narrow it down to the six this year.
T.C.:No. Yeah. But we couldn't just put all of them out there because then there'd just be too much to vote on. So
Jim:In the past, we have allowed, last year, actually, we allowed write ins. True. A write in almost took
T.C.:it That's right. Somehow, Alien Frontier, the will be the legend of all legends until that another one comes along that managed to usurp Star Wars.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:And I think another one. I think it has something like the third or fourth slot.
Jim:But so so if you really if if you had really wanted the back to the future, you could've you could've wrote that in and and and started a write in campaign, and then we would have had to do it.
T.C.:Well, we do have one write in specifically for Pepper, which comes from Finn,
Jim:one of
T.C.:our one of most loyal listeners who's actually guested on the show in season one. Finn and I told Finn that
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:We love that script. That that Yeah. Pepper as a script should just exist. We should just get off our butts and just write it. Yeah.
T.C.:My fear in putting it up for voting is that no one would have voted for it.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:At least in the grand scheme of the social media places that we put the polls out and what people would see like, oh, Star Wars and MCU and a Planet of the Apes and a what is this?
Jim:In a condiment?
T.C.:Condiment. Pepper. That's that's strange.
Jim:But Are they doing, like, a sequel to Sausage Party? That's already coming out.
T.C.:But that said, we love that script. I mean, that that came from Jim's mind
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:And was molded into this amazing could be an excellent indie film. We really should
Jim:just is inspirational.
T.C.:Yeah. We should just go ahead and do it. Yeah. Thing is. So
Jim:Right. Should go ahead and do all of these. All Well. All 120 of it.
T.C.:Maybe. Maybe, Jim. But, so first up, I wanted to get to our sixth place. Now what I what I found interesting about this is we did a final surge of votes today, for before we went to recording. And coming in, Alien three Intercept did not have a lot of love.
T.C.:No? It was at the bottom of the list. And just today, it got a good surge, and it does come in at the bottom though. So alien I I
Jim:the the, the polls I was monitoring Mhmm. It it got it got a
T.C.:It started out strong.
Jim:A little bit of love.
T.C.:Yeah. So It started out strong, but ultimately, it didn't it didn't make it to the top of the list. I think we have some alien comments here. As I go looking through all
Jim:of that we are. This this is the sound of us searching.
T.C.:I know that Sullivan, commented on specifically on aliens saying that vote for that for that because, Newt and Hicks. And Hicks deserved they always deserved a better ending to their story. And and I agree.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Honestly, a a Hicks in between cool has sat in the back of my mind in one way or another since the first time I saw alien three in, like, middle school. Oh, no. No. Like, high school.
Jim:I I will be honest. I didn't think of doing a movie like that until the demand.
T.C.:Well, I I had I had one of the first pieces of fan fiction I ever wrote was I I wrote a Hicks story. It I don't even it I could not possibly have been good at it. It was probably, like, 13 when I wrote it, but it was, it was him versus predators because I was I didn't like aliens, but I love predators. And it was Hicks fighting predators and and all of this. And he was on a he was on a a colony where everyone was named after characters from Wizard of Oz.
T.C.:So he's got Scarecrow and Tidman alive. Cool. So, the idea of Hicks fighting a xenomorph and a replicant is Yeah. Such a cool like, what I what I did for one of the social media post post was, because it was not inherently a listener's, poll where I posted it, it was in order to kinda hit, hey. Here are the here are the films that could exist.
T.C.:I put script highlights for every Yeah. And the script highlight with Hicks and Alien Intercept was Hicks fighting a replicant in in in in tying in the Tyrell Corporation and Blade Runner into the Xenomorph cinematic universe.
Jim:Yeah. Like, very definitively, finally.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. And saying, like, yep. This is the thing. And yeah.
T.C.:So, what do got over there?
Jim:A or horror fan '55 or May had said alien, please. I hate three so much. There
T.C.:there are defenders of three, but you gotta try real hard to defend that movie. I know you're you're even
Jim:I I am an apologist for it. I I'm I'm pulling back on that. I I did a a rewatch of the alien movies couple years ago. May no. Maybe just last year.
Jim:And like many stories and movies, the the memories of it held up much better than the movies Yes. Themselves. God.
T.C.:That's one of the most powerful things about nostalgia is how cool a movie was the first time you saw it. Yep. And then going back and looking at twenty years later going like, oh my god.
Jim:Yeah. Two two movies from my childhood, like like young, like six or seven years old that I have amazing memories of even after rewatching them and being like, oh, no. I still retain the nostalgia memories Mhmm. Is Ice Pirates and Naked Space.
T.C.:Oh, Naked Space.
Jim:Yep. It's it was by the same people who made Naked Gun.
T.C.:Oh, really?
Jim:Yep. It's got Leslie Nielsen.
T.C.:What's terrible? I have no I have no knowledge of this. This is amazing.
Jim:There there's a reason.
T.C.:Well, Alien Intercepts, while we love it, that's why we put it up for contention. So don't hear us wrong that it didn't it didn't make it up. Ultimately, it does not have
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Enough votes to get to the top of the list here, but not not by not not by much of a margin to everything else but the top slot. I and they would be cool. The the fun to be had, and that is the idea of this lone survivor who is awakened to the very real danger, much like Ripley in the subsequent Alien movies who's basically like, what the hell? Listen to me. I know what I'm talking about.
T.C.:We're all gonna die. Yeah. And we just gave that to
Jim:Hicks Mhmm.
T.C.:To redeem him before he's unceremoniously killed in a pod.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Well, moving up the charts here. Another one that's, got a surge today, Planet of the Apes. Yeah. Now, is it worth saying the numbers?
T.C.:So, like, Planet of Apes only beat out alien intercept by a couple votes. Oh. So it's it's just seriously, two votes
Jim:of Fight for fifth.
T.C.:Fight for fifth. So Planet of the Apes so the idea of the circus we would've done
Jim:the circus. One was the circus one? Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Not the not the jailbreak that we've written for our New York Oh, yeah. Contingent. Like, tacked that on not tacked on, but, like, threw that out there. The second one was just the, the circus that gets in middle of America.
T.C.:The simian flu is ravaging post Mhmm. War of the planet war for the planet, but not by much. And this group of nomadic entertainers being attacked by a village of people who just see that's the enemy kill the enemy.
Jim:Yeah. Like like, literally, it's it's what is destroying humanity. Right? Right? That that's how the the disease is spreading clearly.
Jim:They've got it.
T.C.:There it is. Get them. And and then having these three chimps and two gorillas who are gaining intelligence, who already are are already intelligent to begin with because they're entertainers, then protecting their circus human fam human circus family against these these dangerous fearful people.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Planet of the Apes has always had messaging in it. Yeah. There's always been a commentary on civil rights in the Planet of the Apes movies, in particular. I don't know if the original French book was it was actually dissecting classism, but probably. I read it in, like, eighth grade.
Jim:I I I've not read it. I honestly, I think I didn't even know it was based on the book.
T.C.:The the the if I didn't I don't know if I said this to you. Maybe this if I start saying you might remember it. In the book, the it's a French book. This, astronaut and his crew go are heading to, like, Betelgeuse, a different star, and they crash land on a planet of apes. And the other, survivors are killed.
T.C.:It comes down to this one guy. He has to absorb into ape culture. He realizes that their language is close enough to French anyway that he learns how to speak and communicate, proves himself an intelligent human to these apes run the world, human just similar enough to Charlton Heston's and what we see from the Apes movies. And then in the end, he escapes. He gets a spaceship.
T.C.:He launches back out, goes back through the wormhole that caused this whole problem in the first place, gets back to Earth, crash lands, and is met by apes riding horses. Ah. So strangely, the Tim Burton one, which you haven't seen
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Which we were going to watch this year, is closer to the book than the movies ever were.
Jim:That sounds like Tim Burton.
T.C.:That the planet yeah. Right. That the planet of the apes is a completely different planet, and then upon returning to Earth, discovering that apes have risen up and evolved into usurping humans anyway.
Jim:What? What what is that an allegory for?
T.C.:I don't know. I don't know. It you know what?
Jim:When was it when was it published?
T.C.:When When was it it published? Book was published in, like, the fifties, I think.
Jim:Was that like a did the French have a communist scare?
T.C.:June is is so we're looking beginning like, post World War two, growing Cold War era, the notion of probably a soldier returning home and not knowing and and fearing the enemy within? Sure.
Jim:Well, you're right. That that's why as an American, first place to go, communism.
T.C.:Communism. Communism. Yeah. The the fear of fighting or existing away from home and experiencing the enemy away from home
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Getting home to discover
Jim:not being able to ever go home?
T.C.:Yeah. And that the enemy is is ever present in that. Yeah. Certainly could be analogous to it. I mean, like, whether or not that was his intent, that's gonna be unless we can find an article of him specifically saying, Jacque.
Jim:Wow. That was a perfect impression.
T.C.:Thank you. That's that's his Planet Des Cingus, Pierre Bouillet.
Jim:Spot on.
T.C.:Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. But having having written our journey through the Planet of the H, having Middle America, like, the the Great Plains Of America having a fear of a traveling circus of entertainers Sure. And having the the question of, like, I'm defending myself against the enemy.
T.C.:You're the enemy. No. You're the enemy. No. You're the enemy.
T.C.:Yeah. Which is is a lot what the the Andy Serkis trilogy
Jim:dealt with anyways.
T.C.:It's like, we're just trying to live and survive. Stop. We we're not attacking you. You attacked us, now we have to defend ourselves.
Jim:Yeah. And the only way you've left us to defend ourselves is to attack your home.
T.C.:Right. So we yeah. Our our our movie would have dealt with that as well. It's we we we crafted something that would have been much more like, a much smaller scale story, much more western, I think, which would have played to your sensibilities really well.
Jim:Well, thank you. Right. It would have been much more intimate. It would have been as as the the Planet of the Apes movies are great. And even though it's about, compared to the country, smaller enclaves
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:It's still, like like, there's there's lots of unnamed people. Right? It's it's like it's a whole survivor community of humans and what, like, least 200 apes Mhmm. That then it's enough to justify calling it a war. Mhmm.
Jim:Whereas ours would be like A skrush. What? Like, maybe 20 versus 50?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And so while we're not gonna get everyone's names, it's still gonna be very, very intimate and gritty. Mhmm.
T.C.:Yeah. Let's yeah. What what a sideways sequel would be more like a straight streaming kind of movie as opposed to, like, a cinematic release would be smaller scale.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And and the the thing I was most looking forward to had that one one is the sign language of the characters that we would be presenting a script with American sign language characters speak. So our actors would have been speaking, creating some sort of technical way. We discussed this on a previous episode as well of how we would achieve that. I'm trying to see if we have any other comments.
Jim:You know what I would wanna do? Just thinking about that, knowing knowing that it would the the the the sign language would be subtitled.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I remember a friend really being impressed by the way the movie the Russian movie Nightwatch did their subtitles. Mhmm. They they built it right into the movie. So they were very stylized and that's what I would wanna do. Different fonts for each character to
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jim:Basically give them their voice.
T.C.:That's fun. Yeah. Ours being an auditory medium, we wouldn't be able we wouldn't be able to achieve that for the production of the finale. Right.
Jim:Or or you yeah. Sorry. Yeah. I'm I'm saying, were you to make that a full film Okay. That is what I would wanna do.
T.C.:Giving the language its own font.
Jim:Yes. For for our audio Purposes. Table read. Mhmm. That yeah.
Jim:That would not have been a thing. The the voice would have been the the actor reading it.
T.C.:Right. And we would have I would have filtered it in some capacity. But, yeah, I'm I'm glad Planet of the did get some love. We had some last minute one of the last votes that came in. See if I can find it right here.
T.C.:From Dawn, I roll old school, Planet of the Apes.
Jim:Dawn Dawn chose Planet of the Apes? Mhmm. Dawn of the Planet of
T.C.:the Dawn of the Planet of the Apes.
Jim:Oh, okay.
T.C.:Waka waka. Alright. Now moving up to the next slot on the list here.
Jim:Number four.
T.C.:Number three. We have a Oh. Yeah. Okay. So there's no the the
Jim:So there's there's no four and six. It's just tie for five, tie for three?
T.C.:So one, two, three, four, and five. And so tie for three no. No. Because alien intercept was actually fifth. Planet of the apes would be fourth, and then we have a tie Oh.
T.C.:Oh. For number three here. Okay. This one, boy, it's tough because I wanted to do all of these.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:But, here we go. So, the real Ghostbusters, which got lots of love, which I'm so happy, like, that you guys were into it.
Jim:I really I really hope it got the votes because they did read the description and it wasn't just people seeing the word Ghostbusters Right. Right. And thinking they were gonna get more Venkman.
T.C.:Well, so I I think I was very clear in in the description.
Jim:Yeah. Was description was.
T.C.:Not Slimer, the gorilla, the talking gorilla one. So some of our we got Mike McAllister, friend of the show. Gotta go with real Ghostbusters. Chris, this is clearly the ghostbusting we need. From Brandon, any property connected to Larry Storch gets my vote, and the multiverse aspect seals the deal.
T.C.:And Sean, gotta go with real Ghostbusters two, t o o.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Love that love. I love that love. I'm so happy that that we somehow took goddamn Ghostbusters.
Jim:Wanna see that weird Funimation cartoon made into a movie?
T.C.:That just cracks me up. And in all the best ways possible that that there was love seen for this notion. It did strike me today as I was just preparing for this. It would have been another multiversal jumping around Except our this Planet of Apes was much more moving through time and space as opposed to, well, you know, Mystery Inc. Stayed pretty local, but was also multiverse jumping.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:It probably would have been in the same vein as
Jim:For for, Scoob for for doing Scooby Doo, for for, the Mystery Inc, did I, for for research purposes, did I make you watch? Because I'm pretty sure I referenced at least once my science pro no. Not my science. Now I'm getting confused. I thought it was my science project.
T.C.:Is this a you showed me this Scooby Doo where Velma realizes that she isn't
Jim:No. No. That's what I'm talking about. No. Just there there was a movie.
Jim:It came out around the same time as Val Kilmer's Real Science, or at least I I saw them sort of around the same time.
T.C.:Oh, yes. This looks familiar.
Jim:My science project. It had it had
T.C.:a Dennis Hopper. Hopper. Yep. Yeah. Fisher Stevens.
T.C.:Yep. This is for
Jim:Fisher Stevens. But I did that because it was about all of these different time periods that this device made all of these time periods appear basically in this high school that these kids had to had to resolve.
T.C.:Woah. Yeah. Very much like our mystery ink. No. I think maybe you I this poster looks familiar, so maybe you showed it to me and then this and then decided you wouldn't show it to
Jim:me. Okay.
T.C.:Yeah. I mean, the poster looks like it could be for our movie. Yeah. I mean, that's not a good poster. It's from 1985, so that's what it looks like.
T.C.:Our the real Ghostbusters film, I think, would've it would've leaned towards what we ended up doing with multi with, Threshold of Chaos Mhmm. And Strength. But I also think we would've taken it weirdly seriously by the end of it because we're dealing with these characters who have existed since the beginning of time through all time. Yeah. And, yeah, some real heavy duty like, this freaking gorilla becomes this savior of existence against the other enemy who is also the gorilla.
T.C.:Like, it was like, I am the alpha and the omega. Very
Jim:very light year.
T.C.:Yeah. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler. Spoiler.
T.C.:But I'm so thrilled that what a what an insane pitch. It was such a joke that not a not a joke per se. Like, not that I didn't take it seriously, but when I saw that it came in as a demand when looking for Ghostbusters demands, I was like, hell yeah. We're doing this. Let's
Jim:ask I think you expected it to be way more comical
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:And just, like, like, wacky.
T.C.:No way. We ended
Jim:up And we like yeah. I watched so much of that dang cartoon.
T.C.:Listen. You watched the whole thing. Looking back at that episode, more than once through the episode, I'm befuddled Yeah. With with sheer enjoyment
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:That we are doing what we were doing. Like, going back and scrubbing through it and hearing me going, how is this happening? Yeah. How are we doing this? Keep going.
T.C.:Don't stop. So
Jim:It it would be it would be like turning the the snorks into a compelling drama.
T.C.:Larry Storch, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. I I I am it's sad that it didn't make it to the top, but at the same time, hell yeah.
Jim:I'm I'm glad I don't have to practice doing I I can't remember the character's voice.
T.C.:Oh, gee. Oh, no.
Jim:I don't know if we're gonna be able to get through time.
T.C.:See, the ape isn't Kong. No. That's Tracy. The ape the ape's name is Tracy, everyone. Yeah.
T.C.:Kong was the other guy. Gotcha. Wild. Thank thank you for that coming in. That and so now this is tied for third.
T.C.:And okay. Captain Marvel three.
Jim:Okay. No no jokes here. Jokes. Marvel three.
T.C.:Yeah. I'm just I'm just going right to the Captain Marvel three got the third here, and happy once again that that that this is the first episode of the season. Yeah. And we've we've had run into a little bit of I don't know what's issue. It's it happened before where we have an episode so early in the season or even episode a season earlier that we try to get on this list
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:That just don't get the votes.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Because either the IP is dried up at the time of
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:That people are picking or our idea wasn't strong enough to stick. But even today, we got a I got a voice text from one of our listeners who was going through all five of them. It's a five minute voice text.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And the Captain Marvel one, he remembered, like, the whole thing.
Jim:Oh, yeah. Like, oh, it's such
T.C.:a good episode. And I that's exciting that that it managed to be our first episode of season and get get the attention, get on the list, get up to this point that that it would almost surely make it through. So
Jim:That's the second time you said five. We have six. Yeah.
T.C.:Six. Oh, sorry.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Because we have the tie. The tie is Oh, okay. Sorry. Yeah. And I'm speaking faster than I can think.
T.C.:Eli, our our dear friend Eli, wonderful friend of the show, it's hard to pick from these choices, but out of all of these, I think it'd be fun to see Captain Marvel three, not only because of the Eternals popping in, but because of the Shi'ar elements of the film as well. I agree. I Yeah. The I I think in remembering when we picked the brood then figured out a way to connect it to the Shi'ar and then having Nova be the second secondary character to Captain Marvel Yeah. And then figuring out a way to get Monica and Kamala to be part of the story
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Which did feel a little bit the studio demands all three of them are in this. Figure it out. Actually
Jim:Well, because right? Because the Marvels had just come out, so it kinda felt like, well, how could you do how could you do another Captain Marvel movie without Without bring without mentioning without alluding to what happened in the previous movie that that we just saw.
T.C.:Yeah. Having Monica come back with this thousand yard stare of having crossed dimensions
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:We didn't know what we what what we would have done with that was make some decisions over the x men universe ourselves. Actually, Sholzy, I wanna draw out his comment real quick. I was leaning towards real Ghostbusters, but then I saw Nova. Nova. I'm so going with Captain Marvel three.
T.C.:Nova.
Jim:Yeah. I'd I'd hide to pat ourselves on the back. I I think that our Captain Marvel three would've and and could've and would've done what you say so many Marvels Marvel movies do. They retroactively make The
T.C.:other stuff. Yeah.
Jim:Earlier stuff better. Mhmm. Right?
T.C.:Like That's one of the MC's greatest powers in their long decades plus run now is that Yeah. That they a movie that was so so suddenly become so so much better.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Giving giving Brie Larson and whoever played Richard Rider, Nova, the two of them Mhmm. Buddy copping it the way like, I don't like you, but we gotta work together through this story and, you know, possibly finding a romantic angle with these two. Who knows? Like, just I think they're it's also one that much like I joked that real Ghostbusters would have slowly got more serious.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:I think this one wouldn't be a a yuck in good time. It would be some hardcore stuff because they're dealing with this unstoppable insectoid force that's that's ravaging an empire Mhmm. Of the galaxy, and then to discover that this force has been, manipulated and ignored and controlled by the government in power using that to fear their way into control over the galaxy.
Jim:I I I mean, the notion of yucking, I don't I actually don't think it would have been very like, it might have counted as a comedy, but I I guess for comedic sensibility, I in my mind, it was more akin to forty eight hours.
T.C.:Yes. Absolutely. Yes. Yes. Agreed.
T.C.:Agreed. Looking at something like even in the MCU itself, Falcon and Winter Soldier
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Which had some good, like, moments, but was really a serious subject matter.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:And and to go to, actually, back up for a second with real Ghostbusters. I don't know if what messaging could be dissected from a story where something exists at all time for all times and deals with paranormal, like, sorry to jump back a back a moment here and talk about the the deeper meanings within the real Ghostbusters.
Jim:I right. It it technically does count as science fiction, but that that one's probably the the most fantastical Yeah. Of of the bunch.
T.C.:Yeah. There there there could be something to look at in terms of humanity, the soul, and and the price of what you what you give up to save other people in your time. Like, what do you do with your power and abilities over time? I
Jim:remember I remember as we were doing it, I had I had themes in mind. Mhmm. And and that kind of messaging, I cannot remember it right now. I would I would I would have to I would have to relisten to us to to remember what it
T.C.:was. I think I'm I'm touching back into it a little bit of the the the notion of I think we might have done it near or around when we finished Loki season two, which has a bit of the the tree of life. Yeah. And and Tracy ended up being this the spine that holds the galaxy together.
Jim:Mhmm. Well, and and then there was also yeah. A lot a lot of it because it between watching the original live action show and then the cartoon, they even they do a continuation of
T.C.:Do not recommend.
Jim:No. Don't you don't you do not have to watch it. I remember wanting to kind of play with that, and we did. And so the other thing that that it talked it was legacy. Legacy.
Jim:Legacy was sort of the the the keyword for for that movie.
T.C.:And and what what does your legacy mean? How do you how do you leave your leave the parts of yourself in time Mhmm. Is the probably the die the inner the inner meanings of what's happening here. With Captain Marvel, looking at Nova as an organization of law and order
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:And captain Marvel choosing to be this rogue agent of law and order Mhmm. And having to find a way to work within a system that has regulations that aren't cohesive to how a law enforcement individual would want to proceed. Whoo. That was mouthful. You go.
Jim:Yeah. No. I I you yeah. Essentially, no Nova was law. Nova would be law, and captain Marvel would be order.
Jim:Yeah. She she's not because she does not concern herself with Space District Exactly.
T.C.:And and
Jim:stuff like that. That that's actually a big part of the Marvels, the the the problem because she went to exact justice on the Kree home world, and that caused other problems because she was there for justice, for order, a bit of vengeance. Mhmm. Whereas Nova would be would be there. In in in our our pitch, Nova is is sort of initially assigned to kind of babysit is the wrong word.
Jim:That suggests he's in control.
T.C.:Right. Right. Monitor.
Jim:Yeah. Like,
T.C.:we need to work together whether you like it or not.
Jim:Yeah. That kind of thing.
T.C.:And and then and then so I think there's what would what could be extrapolated from that or, like, looking at those themes of law and order and how they work in tandem versus an so spoiler for a movie that
Jim:doesn't exist.
T.C.:The Shi'ar are using the brood Yeah. To to to do what they wanna do. They have all these resources and power, and they're just using that to kinda cleave their way into the galaxy to take the things they want, and that is a power and a level of privilege that does not concern itself with law and order.
Jim:Sort of. No. It's using law for its own end.
T.C.:Because
Jim:technically, they're they're keeping the shady stuff behind the scenes. So from the Novacore's perspective, the Shi'ar are perfectly good galactic citizens.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:It it's not until it's revealed that they're controlling this element of chaos that's allowing them to take take more control.
T.C.:They're manipulating the system Yeah. Because they are in a position of power that allows them to manipulate the system.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:And you you, there's there's a phrase you want people to use more, and I think this this Captain Marvel, this Marvel's three would allow us to do so, specifically with Carol's story with Richard and or the Nova Nova and Cap Marvel, is eat the rich. That these these people have all the power, and they are using it. They're manipulating the entire system to just do whatever the hell they want.
Jim:Yeah. To to roll over communities, to use the brood as an excuse to roll over Mhmm. Galactic communities that they just want what they have.
T.C.:And they know they're doing it. They're doing the wrong thing because they're hiding it. Yeah. They, oh, no. I'm I'm just using the system that's put in place for me to use.
T.C.:I didn't do anything wrong. Then why'd you hide it?
Jim:Then why'd you
T.C.:If hide you really didn't think you're doing something wrong, why are you you're manipulating the system with with that?
Jim:My only problem with that Mhmm. Is the the angle of, right, minority report. Mhmm. You only run if you're guilty.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Right. No. You run if you're scared. Yeah. True.
Jim:True. If you don't or or the the common phrase, if you don't have anything to hide, why why are you worried about it? No. Because privacy is important. Yeah.
Jim:You're good. But that's not what you're talking about. We're talking about institutional level behavior.
T.C.:And then our b plots, we had I can't remember Monica too well, but I remember Kamala Kamala Khan being involved with discovering that some of the Eternals were captured by the brood, that the brood is literally, like, siphoning their I think we did we make it adamantium?
Jim:Like The the brood had A Celestial? Eternals?
T.C.:They they had had a celestial egg that they were siphoning and that they had had kidnapped and were holding
Jim:Not not the Shi'ar?
T.C.:No. Sorry. Sorry. The Shi'ar. Yeah.
T.C.:Yes. The Shi'ar. The Shi'ar were using a celestial egg, and they had captured some of the Eternals. And, Kamala Khan's hers her plot in finding them and getting them involved in the story. I don't remember exactly, the full details of how we fleshed that out, but it was subtextually this use of, I'm gonna reach here.
T.C.:Like, gods. Like
Jim:Oh, sure.
T.C.:Using using the ancient
Jim:To oh, right. To to, to further your own agenda. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and then Monica coming from another reality, returning to another reality kinda goes to our Planet of the Apes discussion earlier about, like, oh, you were over here and then you came back, but you can't see where you can't go home again because you've experienced things on a grander scale that that you you cannot perceive this reality the same way anymore.
Jim:Is that what we we did with I I I can't remember. I can't remember. Because we're the Shi'ar from Mm-mm. The other reality?
T.C.:The Shi'ar from are from Marvel MCU six one six.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Yeah. That they are like, what seems like it's just an insectoid super troopers not
Jim:super troopers.
T.C.:Starship troopers xenomorph fight builds and Oh. Oh, no.
Jim:Oh, I really wanna see a super troopers, starship troopers, not crossover, but like a like a like a yeah. Mash up. I wanna see that mash up.
T.C.:We can't blow up any more bugs. We've already blown up all the bugs.
Jim:Oh, crap. No. I can't I can't remember any quotes from it. Who wants a brain bug ride?
T.C.:Trooper with an attitude. Do do do do do do do do do do. Do
Jim:you boys wanna live forever?
T.C.:Oh my god. Yes.
Jim:If I hear another one of you say clandathu, I swear to god, I'm gonna pistol whip them.
T.C.:Hey. What's that hey, Farvo. What's that planet we used to go to
Jim:that With all the bugs.
T.C.:With all the bugs?
Jim:Oh, you mean clandathu?
T.C.:Super troopers. Super Starship troopers. Yeah.
Jim:Starship super troopers?
T.C.:Oh my yeah. Starship. So this is the perfect time for us to take a break. We're gonna we're gonna pop up here. We're gonna stop here for a second, get some messages from Six Five Media, and we will come back with the top two and a discussion about whether or not we should write them both.
T.C.:We'll be right back after this. Sorry about the psychic probing.
Jim:It's a it's a lollipop. Yes. It it helps with the psychic resonance. It's delicious.
T.C.:Starship super troopers. Amazing. Okay. Well, we have our two two final picks here. Now I'm gonna once I say one, you'll know what the other one is.
T.C.:So I should just say what what one.
Jim:Right? Well, what no. You you say the runner-up.
T.C.:If I say the runner-up, then you okay. So the the runner-up here
Jim:You're saying you're saying it's there there's a tie?
T.C.:No. No. I'm just saying as soon as I say what the runner-up is, want the winners.
Jim:That but is isn't that how contests go, though? You still say the runner-up first?
T.C.:I guess.
Jim:Isn't that an that's really anticlimactic and rude to the run to the runner-up then. That's true. Four three one two.
T.C.:And also that second one came in. Fair fair fair fair fair Okay. So coming in at the number two slots, number two slot. And actually, I think the the best comment section here comment to go here is from Gene, our one of our listeners, your friend Gene. Initially, was thinking droids, but I really dig the pitch for the blade concept.
T.C.:The idea that vampires would be affected by the snap because they're technically not alive is clever itself in a fun comic book way. Okay. So he initially thought droids, but he ultimately went on to Blade. And, also, that sure is the word of the day for me. I need to stop saying ultimately.
T.C.:It's I just struck me.
Jim:I just said it two
T.C.:or four times there. So coming in at second place is droids, A Star Wars Story, which only beat out third place by three votes. Wow. Now, Jim, you didn't vote, but it won't it won't tip the scales in any way way or another. You might break the tie because you didn't vote.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. I did. I voted for Star Wars. But honestly, we voted for all six. We wanted to do all six of these.
T.C.:So really, my vote doesn't count anyway. Droids, A Star Wars Story coming in at second place. Let me just grab some of these comments here. We'll go back to your comment, Gene. Don't worry.
T.C.:You wrote you wrote more and you had more to say, but I wanted to get here. From Melina, gotta go with droids as I still love Star Wars more than anything it could ever do wrong, but your concept for Blade sounds fantastic and incredibly relevant today as well. So another person who was like, I like both. And let me just hop over to last section of comments here. Also, yeah, Ty earlier said, Back to the Future.
T.C.:No. Freeze. No. Deadpool three. No.
T.C.:Okay. Droids. But, yes. So droids, we've been we wanna we Star War. We wanna do a Star War so badly, Jim.
T.C.:This one boy. Okay. So there's some subtext in this one.
Jim:Oh, a whole bunch.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, a system of government put in place that replaces a previous system of government and saying we must we must erase or eradicate or or Recycle? Or or not not even Assimilate.
Jim:Oh, yeah. There you go.
T.C.:Into our new way of doing the government as opposed to the old way of government and having a a group of characters go, I don't want to do that.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:We are going on the run and one of them specifically having
Jim:Well, even more so, it's it's not even just, oh, I don't want to do your thing.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:This is about the droids who don't have a choice. And the way they're going to get assimilated is to either be scrapped or reprogrammed.
T.C.:Right. And and and one of them specifically, the our our hero or one of our hero droids has the MacGuffin, a literal walking MacGuffin in this is the one who has the map to the a Jedi a cloning facility. Yeah. Yeah. Which is I I I just love the story we came up with.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, talk about our a space of opera. Mhmm.
Jim:And it it touches on so many parts of Star Wars in not even not not heavy handed ways. Like like, I bringing up cloning. When cloning first the Clone Wars back in the day when it was just this legend Mhmm. Was amazing.
T.C.:The idea of it.
Jim:And then Lucas made one, two, and three, and cloning was lame. Mhmm. It was it was lame. And then Dave Filoni made cloning kinda cool with the Clone Wars.
T.C.:Yeah. Gave all these characters agency to the point where they were doing this against their will. That none of these clones willingly chose, Crosshair, yes, but he talk about a redeemed villain. Yeah. That they were just programmed to to turn on the people that they've been fighting alongside.
T.C.:Thank you, Dave Faloni, and all your people for for fixing that.
Jim:And then they went and kinda made it lame again with Palpatine being like, and then I got the clones.
T.C.:Now Faloni and his team are doing everything they can to retroactively fix that.
Jim:But yeah. And and we get to play our our little fan part Mhmm. In in in this. I I like how we bring up cloning in the in the role it plays. It's it's less that it's less about the actual clones and more the cloning tech as as what you said, a MacGuffin.
Jim:Mhmm. It's a stand in for a a essentially, a weapon of mass destruction.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. And and that our focal point characters are the least people. They are
Jim:the lowest
T.C.:of low when it comes to rights within the galaxy.
Jim:They're considered non people.
T.C.:That they are looked as disposable.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Even more so than the clones ever were. Yeah. That the droid army, that these astromech droids, these the they are hunks of junk to people that can be and and we, as audience, have given them sentient or given them souls.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And the characters who who treat them the way they do in the in the movies, like Luke and how he treats r two and c three p o's family. Like, they having droids be bestowed the the challenge of that demand was how do we tell a story where you actually give a shit to the point of loving these characters as fully as if they were flesh and bone.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:And I I've I've we came up with something so much that's so fun here that and we got so close to getting another Star Wars, and we've every season, we're like, Star Wars? Anyone want one of them Star Wars? No? Our band. Okay.
T.C.:Even in the highlights when I pitched this to people on, I was like, highlights in the list is gonna be and also an underground lightsaber fight. Remember that from our Bubba Fett two
Jim:pitch? Yeah.
T.C.:We'll give you everything. But yeah. And and last season, Halion Frontier buried star wars 10.
Jim:It did.
T.C.:And I think it was just people were just so tired of star wars.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:But star wars will never die. Star wars will always have its fandom and
Jim:They pay they pay too much for it.
T.C.:Let's see if there's any other comments for Star Wars specifically because if not, I'm gonna go into our our winner of the season, Jim, Blade, Heart of Darkness. Oh. Oh, sorry. On what?
Jim:For for droids.
T.C.:Oh, you had a comment?
Jim:The plucky plumber on on Discord Oh,
T.C.:said, I'm I think I'm
Jim:gonna go with droids. He wanted to stay away. We we we've done a whole bunch of superhero stuff. Mhmm. Mhmm.
Jim:He wanted to stay away from the Marvels and Blade.
T.C.:That fair point. Yeah. And and that's was one of our concerns as well Yeah. That we just keep volleying back and forth. But, hey, we know our audience.
Jim:We yeah. That that is true.
T.C.:I wanna go back to Gene's comment here.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:That he really loved that that vampires are not technically alive. It's a clever and fun comic book way, but it also has a lot of thematic commentary power in relation to the idea of the snap itself. I remember when those movies came out, how many people argued that it was actually the correct call. But Vamps getting an exception could be used in the script as a strong metaphor to explore the fact that such an act wouldn't much wouldn't do much of anything to address the root cause that lead to the kind of suffering Thanos was claiming to care about when he started the Infinity Gem crusade. And, in fact, it would likely just enable those toxic elements of human experience.
T.C.:There's a lot of genuine potential here both in deepening the MCU lore and just a meaningful story that would have a very timely importance given many current world situations and ongoing crises. Plus, we would get some generally great action sequences to boot. Hey. What can I say? I'm a huge fan of Akira, and I love my deep, metatextual, philosophical exploration served with a generous side of explosive motorcycle violence and bizarre body horror.
T.C.:See you at the rave. I hear there'll be a bloody good time. I don't think we set out to pick something so thematically deep. No. That could be explored with such meaning and having messaging in it, then we just stumbled into this.
Jim:Kind of. Yeah.
T.C.:Blade is a story of a of a a a an individual's crusade to take down the man. And right when he thought he had accomplished it, he was snapped away. Yep. And he returns about five years later to discover that not only that all that work he did to end that fight not backtracked. It backtracked so badly that now his fight's gonna be even harder than it was in the first place.
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:Wow. Oops. Way to go, Jim. What'd you do? Whoopsie.
T.C.:What did you do? What did you do? You don't know. You look at what you did. Now tell me
Jim:what you did. Aw. I made I made I made the fiction the reality.
T.C.:Oh, damn it. So so there it is, blade heart of darkness, and I to the point of, what was it? The plucky
Jim:Plucky Plumber.
T.C.:Plucky Plumber. Yes. Yes. Another comic book movie has won the day, but, you know, this isn't this isn't capes exactly. This is That's true.
T.C.:This is vampires. This is action. I'm
Jim:Who, you know, Dracula War cape.
T.C.:That's true. And, yeah, we'll go back into the episode prop, like, what we pitched in the episode and and build off that like we do every season. But what do you think? Blade? Wait.
T.C.:Here. What's your heart tell you?
Jim:We're we're I'll I'll be honest. I I missed the way you did did that. I thought we were gonna be doing droids. So we're gonna do tell the story of some happy some happy little droids going through a tough time, but we'll tell the story of some happy little vampires going through a tough time.
T.C.:Well, I wanted to talk to you about that. Uh-oh. Why not do both? Why not do both? I I Because we only have so much time.
T.C.:I know. We only have so much time, but let we every every season, and as the season goes along, we we constantly have discussions on how to to build this show out, to build this series out. We've we've done over a 100 demands now. We've and well over a 100 because we've had the the episodes that have multiple things in them. Our our shotgun episodes of stories based on songs or video games or what have you, team up movies, and and always wanting to to challenge ourselves to not you know, this isn't something that we take flippantly.
T.C.:Mhmm. We take the show we have a lot of fun with this show, and and we take it we take it as a very real challenge. And, it's it's it's so enjoyable, but I also want to always find ways to challenge ourselves even more so. And I don't know. I'm not I'm I don't know what season six is gonna be.
T.C.:Are we just we could just continue as is and do another 24 episodes, or maybe we split in half and we do 12 and a and a feature and then 12 and a feature. I don't know. I'm I know this is this is where I'm throwing this at you without much more than the the pre break that said maybe we write more than one. But I'm I'm throwing out there as a discussion point with you, Jim. What do you think about taking the time to Blade is the Blade is the feature.
T.C.:That's the one that we are going to produce for the finale. But would you be interested in possibly even just considering it, doing droids as well? Offering our
Jim:our yes.
T.C.:Yeah. It it does come with its complications because you're right. We only have so much time to do this.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:So we will, first and foremost, produce Blade. And then then it's like, well, we're gonna give ourselves a little bit of a a break to do so. This episode won't the finale is not gonna be up in two weeks because we're gonna give ourselves at least twice as that much time to really write it, refine it, record it, produce it, and release it. Mhmm. It'll be a Christmas gift to you guys.
T.C.:But I I don't know. This show is so much fun, but the the fun that's been growing out of this is these finales, these table reads of putting our muscles to true work to craft a full feature film and then put it into the hands of actors who then bring it to life.
Jim:I mean, so much fun. It is.
T.C.:The you're I don't wanna
Jim:go and promise that we're gonna do this, like like because then then just it's just gonna grow and now then, like and that would be awesome. My my concern is is about the resources Mhmm. Allocated to to do these.
T.C.:Here here's the way. Here's
Jim:But But but to answer your question here on mic, yeah. Yeah. Let's do both.
T.C.:Let's do both. Alright. You heard it here, folks. Jim committed. One on the schedule, the other TBD.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:The reason I wanna do that is we've discussed in the past I think we've done this in our bonus territory as opposed to episode proper. But the idea of doing scenes from all of our movies to finding ways to, like, script out some of the those scene highlights and just give a taste of what a feature could be. And what I'd like to attempt for season six is that, is that after we've pitched something, we do an episode and we get a demand and then when we walk away and digest it for a couple days and and discuss it between the two of us, Or if our listeners give us any feedback to say, oh, you know what? Let's let's do five pages. Let's do these five pages.
T.C.:And then when it comes time for the finale, we now have trailers essentially for for stuff. And you're right. Time consumption is the issue here. It's hard for us to to do as much as we do on the show. We we we get we I am proud to say, Jim, every single episode this season came out on schedule.
T.C.:We did not miss a single deadline this entire season, and I'm so proud of us for pulling
Jim:that up. And that's because of you. So very good job.
T.C.:Well, hey. You're in these episodes too.
Jim:I know. But this this one this one is yours. Say thank you.
T.C.:Say more.
Jim:Say more. Say more.
T.C.:Thank you. You're welcome. What am I saying? I don't know. But we didn't get commentaries for every episode.
T.C.:We didn't get to the TikToks are are TikToks are hard for me to take its time. Sure. It's it's a lot of time.
Jim:Right. And so so then it's it's gonna start becoming, okay. Do we do the commentary slash TikTok highlight? Mhmm. Or do we do one of these five page reels?
Jim:Yeah. It's it's that that's a fun idea. I I like it very much. Again, it's just it's the resources.
T.C.:Yeah. So I I we don't have any answers here. That's just something I I wanted to put out there, surprise Jim with this line of conversation. But back to the finale here. Let's let's get back let's back back up here and talk about Blade some more.
Jim:The day. The
T.C.:the the trick here, which we've discussed in some of our finale choices, is how much action is involved. Sure. That's a movie that is heavily actioned, like, speed 10. Uh-huh. How much dialogue is gonna be in speed 10?
T.C.:Right? That's why we didn't even didn't even put it up for consideration last year.
Jim:I don't think that's the reason why we did it last year.
T.C.:Oh, no. That's the
Jim:only reason. How can you do one and not the other nine?
T.C.:Alright. Well, sorry. Eight. Eight. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. We alright. So Jim is now promising promising that he's gonna write. Oh, no. It was you.
T.C.:It was you.
Jim:It was me the whole time.
T.C.:But, yeah, finding finding a way to to pull off the the action. But, you know, we had a comment on threshold cast that credited you as the narrator, the reading of a stage direction of, I I can look I'll look for it. I could, but I'm just gonna paraphrase it, was, major points to Jim for pulling off the engaging action sequences.
Jim:Oh, well, thank thank you very much.
T.C.:Because there were points, in that final pages, which is just all action with the occasional, look out. Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim.
T.C.:Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim. Jim.
T.C.:Jim. Jim. And, yeah. I don't I don't know how many people watched it with the script next to it Sure. Which is the the YouTube version as opposed to just listening to the audio of it, but the comment came from someone who'd just listened to it on Spotify.
T.C.:Oh. And they were like,
Jim:what?
T.C.:Good kudos to Jim. And then a follow-up question was like, what did those pages look like? Well, here, let you can look at the script. It's right over here. Yeah.
Jim:I I think a a lot also goes to your your sound design. You do you do go in and put in sound effects as well.
T.C.:I love it. Yeah. It's so much fun. I would never I've I've never seen it myself.
Jim:Granted, you actually sometimes do the sound effects there
T.C.:Live.
Jim:Live at the table.
T.C.:And I regret it every time.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:I regret it every time because I'm trying to, like, amp up the readers. Yeah. But then I'm realizing this sucks when I'm editing and I'm hearing me going
Jim:Shut up. Mute this guy.
T.C.:Mute this guy's microphone. My guy. Which was great and threshold cast because we had well, no. I did it for Spider Man too. We had individual tracks for
Jim:everyone
T.C.:on the table, so I was able to easily mute myself.
Jim:Your enthusiasm is is welcome at the table.
T.C.:Yeah. I will I thank you. Good. But, yeah, I'm I'm it's gonna be fun to play in the MCU proper, which we haven't done yet. That's true.
T.C.:Amazing Spider Man was adjacent.
Jim:Sony verse.
T.C.:Sony verse. Right?
Jim:Which the the the Sony's
T.C.:Spump. Spump.
Jim:Spump. Yes. Sony
T.C.:Sony movie universe pictures of Spider Man character. I don't know.
Jim:No. Spider Man Sony's pro Sony productions of Marvel characters. Sony presents Marvel character no. I can't remember what it was.
T.C.:It's it's oh god. So stupid. Spunk. Sony's I mean, they they renamed it the Sony Spider Man universe.
Jim:Changed once again?
T.C.:Yeah. It was like the Sony Pictures Spider Man movie universe or something like Yeah. Spunk. Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:Which, the Australians that listen to Weekly Planet also calling it Spunk or something like that as well. Nice. Yeah. So we're gonna take we'll go back into the episode for Blade. We'll go through it and and start our we have the rough draft of the treatment just from the episode alone.
T.C.:We'll go in and we'll start going through our process. Previously, through Justice League, Spider Man
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And Threshold Chaos, we did do, sessions where I just ran audio. But those are not really I don't know how enjoyable those would be to listen to because it's us sitting around for literally hours acting out scenes and pacing and sitting in silence and rubbing our temples and, like, hashing out the script live.
Jim:I mean, for whoever's listening, they they might not enjoy this, but there's no reason that couldn't just be a a Patreon.
T.C.:Yeah. Maybe. I'm curious. If anyone's interested in our process, certainly comment and and ask, and we're we're happy to discuss it in in greater detail.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:But it's it's we have things we do every time and then things that just spawn out of what we're doing. Mhmm. Yeah. But okay. There it is.
T.C.:So blade, heart of darkness going into the MCU, the post snap, and there's
Jim:I'm really I actually it's starting to set settle in. I'm really surprised. I think I'm really surprised.
T.C.:That blade one? Yeah. You you thank Wesley Snipes and Deadpool three for Yeah.
Jim:I so. Jason, did you see the news that that apparently Gambit is is trending? Like, executives are are are are starting to to think real hard
T.C.:Listen.
Jim:That maybe they need to make a a Gambit movie?
T.C.:Listen, executives. The script is ready. We've already written it.
Jim:We
T.C.:have. We'll introduce the x men into your universe. You just let us know. It's right there waiting. But you're surprised?
T.C.:You're surprised that that Blade took the lead?
Jim:I am.
T.C.:I I am as well, but it came out strong. So, like, when the voting started, Planet of the Apes and Blade got the first round of people chiming in
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:And then Blade just started climbing up star once Star Wars started Captain Marvel blades and droids were really hanging on to each other, and then real Ghostbusters started climbing up there as well. Because the difference in so droids, Captain Marvel, real Ghostbusters are within three votes of each other.
Jim:That's crazy.
T.C.:Yeah. Blade ran away with it. Mhmm. A 167 total for for Blade. Blade.
T.C.:Blade. And, yeah, it might have just been right time, right place situation here.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:We're off the heat of Deadpool three. People are like, yeah. Sure. And also, there's
Jim:Well, because we're not off of Deadpool three, they said there there there will only ever be one blade. Nah. We're we're We're gonna show you. Another.
T.C.:So we'll we'll see if we if we they've thrown another script out. So Yeah. There's always a chance we get a
Jim:chance. I
T.C.:wanted droids so bad to win, Jim. But I I wasn't gonna manipulate the system to get it. Yeah. It was so close. It was client like, Blade, Star Wars, and Captain Marvel were neck and neck for, like, a week.
Jim:That's amazing.
T.C.:And I was like, hey, if we get a three way tie again, I'll do all three, god dammit. I I hope you didn't mind me throwing that at you. I'm I'm throwing things at you.
Jim:That's okay.
T.C.:You're gonna be
Jim:Live live.
T.C.:You're gonna be angered on the toilet again. Yeah.
Jim:Alright. Did you did you turn turn the mics off? Yeah. Yeah. I've tried to turn.
Jim:Why are you doing this?
T.C.:Jim abuses me verbally. Yeah. Captain Marvel was climbing up there. Droids was climbing up, like, the three of them. I was really surprised how Ghostbusters hung in there.
T.C.:Yeah. I was like, do you Yeah. I I wanna be clear. This is not the Peter Venkman slimer Ghostbusters. This is yeah.
Jim:I know. I I we kinda put that on there because it was almost more of like a a a it's like the goblin that a D and D party adopts, kind of. That's why that was on the list.
T.C.:You know, if we had been putting it to votes in previous seasons, the Mother Goose cinematic universe would definitely be one of those, like, you guys want this. Right? Yeah. Come on. Who wants their iron man to be Rip Van Winkle?
T.C.:Come on.
Jim:Who wants to know what crooked tech is?
T.C.:Yeah. But I was really sad. Planet of the Apes was, like, getting shut out. Like, it was doing nothing. Yeah.
T.C.:Our our Alien Intercept and Planet of Apes were just, like, hanging at the bottom. And that could be my so Ryan messaged me, and he was like, I've only seen Alien Romulus. So Sure. While I liked Alien Romulus, I don't know the series enough to vote for this one. Yeah.
T.C.:That's fine. And he similar with Playing of the Apes, he'd only seen the most recent one. He'd not seen any the others.
Jim:So okay. So I understand that to to some degree. Right? That that that's you don't wanna vote for the thing that's from a franchise you haven't seen Mhmm. Enough of.
Jim:But at the same time, that is also what the synopsis were there for.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Right. Right. Like, oh, I've seen all the Marvel movies, but Captain Marvel just doesn't move me. I don't know who the Shi'ar are. I don't care.
Jim:Okay. Then vote for the alien. I've only seen Romulus. Did you like it though? Do you like this idea?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Dealing with corporations in space? For real. Yeah. But that is okay. Mhmm.
T.C.:Yeah. I think Blade somehow just has a very strong subtext to it dealing with the Yeah. We'll see how much we thrust that into the story.
Jim:When when I came up with that that under title, the the heart of darkness Mhmm. A lot of it a lot of it Coalesced. Focused focused in for me. Like, oh, yeah. Yeah.
Jim:You can do a lot there's a lot of modern commentary to do, but you can also use my elbow. I I sat on my elbow the the leaned on my elbow the the wrong way.
T.C.:Jim does yoga when we're recording.
Jim:I sit on elbows. There there's a lot of awesome parallels to pull with the the book heart of darkness and apocalypse now.
T.C.:Agreed. Yeah. But thank you everyone for for such a great season. This was a lot of fun. This was not easy to narrow down to six.
Jim:Think I
T.C.:said that earlier, but yeah. Any any highlights for the season for you, Jim? Anything that you wanna talk about?
Jim:Highlights? Nope. I wasn't ready for that question. What do we do this season?
T.C.:A few a few funny shows. It's fine. But, yeah, I I think we can wrap it up here. We'd like to know if we like, how does how does everyone feel? What were some of your favorite highlights of the season, the demands we met?
T.C.:Honestly, actually, before I do fall into that, talking about, like, the deeper meaning of our of, like, the the the the metatextual, the subtext, the the little literary analysis available to
Jim:us. Podcast?
T.C.:Not of the podcast. This is clearly a cry for attention, and it's also a distraction from the deeper things that these guys are not dealing with. It's escapism through and through. Yeah. I'm projecting on all of you.
T.C.:But thank you for this great season. Hit us up if you agree, disagree. Hopefully, there's no one disappointed. I know it's it's disappointing that some of these were so close to
Jim:If you are, come let us know.
T.C.:Yeah. Seriously.
Jim:We we we wanna talk about it.
T.C.:Yeah. And where people can do that somewhere. They can go to Reddit and Discord.
Jim:Yeah. You can go to Reddit and Discord and do that. You can get to the Discord by going to our website. There should be a link at the top for the Discord to get an invite to the Discord, and you can go to r slash studio demands it, and just just drop into any of those, any of the the or or start your own, post, where where you wanna talk about stuff, and we'll talk about it. Yeah.
Jim:There you go.
T.C.:You can also reach us directly at studiodemands.com, or if you go over to Instagram, you can find us at the studio or sorry, at studio demands it. And all the episodes are up there. If you wanna chime in on a specific one, you can also look at the artwork there. A couple of the posts had the alternate artwork up, including I think, our fables episode. But whatever the case, you can reach us over there.
T.C.:And you can also subscribe if you've made it through this whole season and haven't done so. You're you're crazy. You're
Jim:crazy. But,
T.C.:yeah. Also, throw a little review out there if you want because it doesn't hurt to do it in app and also helps us get out there in the algorithm. As mentioned, we have YouTube and TikTok where we post video content including material that hurt on the show. We did it, Jim.
Jim:We did.
T.C.:It's time to sit down and start writing
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:This finale.
Jim:So you asked what my thoughts were, and I saved them till here when it were supposed to be fading out. Yeah. I quickly looked over the the season, and and I'm remembering back to the conversations we had. The the two big thoughts I had is one of the hard things was despite some people flattering me by saying how well I read, I can read an action scene, we didn't entertain a couple of the like, Godzilla. Godzilla didn't make it in Mhmm.
Jim:Specifically because it would be so action oriented and right right describing
T.C.:It would just be audiobooks.
Jim:Basically. That some just just didn't make it in because of that. And I think freeze freeze ultimately didn't make it in because it's meant to take place in the the The Joker. Todd Todd Phillips Joker verse. And that second one was so to us, it was not great.
T.C.:Yeah. And it sort of soured.
Jim:It's it's pulled all of the enthusiasm. Like, I still really like what we did with Freeze, but it sucked a lot of the enthusiasm enthusiasm out. Even though, also, a bunch of what we do with Freeze is not that different from what we do do in the Batman and Robin.
T.C.:Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Which was a different mister Freeze, but it's similar enough for us, Vengeance.
T.C.:And, yeah, I still will tip my hat to you, go and count him on a Cristo on that thing. Oh my god.
Jim:Thank
T.C.:you. Yeah. Ty had written the comments that he want he he liked Freeze as well as something he would have voted for if it had been on the list. Shane, Vote for Blade. It was a strong demand, and Blade needs a good story, and y'all can do it.
T.C.:Thank you, Shane.
Jim:So, yeah. And and again, write ins every year, all the time are are welcome. All the I would it it would be amazing if somebody wrote in that they wanted us to do a script for the, universal dark universe.
T.C.:Oh my god. Going back to season one. Do your
Jim:give us give us a season one Oh my god. Request.
T.C.:Going all the way back. That's that's the third episode.
Jim:Third episode.
T.C.:So just be like and I was, like, slow pitching my Yeah. Was it monster hunters? No. Monster squad.
Jim:Monster squad. I wasn't
T.C.:cutting out what I was doing. You're like, no. No. No. No.
T.C.:No. No. These are supposed to be horror characters. Like, yeah. But the kids.
T.C.:Shut up.
Jim:Or someone someone someone out there wants someone to really want cannonball run. Oh my god. God.
T.C.:All the way back to season one there.
Jim:I I just think it'd be hilarious to get write ins from from from anywhere anywhere through the catalog.
T.C.:I just discovered your guys' show.
Jim:To be.
T.C.:Yeah. I like that Cannonball Run you guys are pitching. Mhmm. It's the it's the Apatow gang. I think in our pit we had played.
Jim:It was it was a lot of them. Yeah. So there you go. Those are those are my thoughts.
T.C.:Yeah. So Blade coming soon and also we'll we will continue to have this discussion about Troids and whether or not we decide to do that as well.
Jim:Okay. Yes, we will.
T.C.:Thank you everyone for another amazing season. We will be back again with a whole another season to take on some of your demands to challenge ourselves and to maybe improve the world of cinema. I'm TC. I am Jim. And this is Was the is the studio demands.
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