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In “Doll Day Afternoon,” a shady alley deal over a collectible doll spirals rapidly into a tense hostage situation at a toy emporium. Elsbeth’s investigation leads her inside when Nolan Hurst (David Cross) takes control of the store and cuts off surveillance. With Captain Tulley pushing for a shoot-first approach and tension escalating, Elsbeth must deploy her legal instincts and emotional intelligence to deescalate the standoff. She strikes a personal chord—drawing on Nolan’s love for his daughter Bella—to negotiate. Meanwhile Teddy digs up troubling backstory on Tully’s prior missteps. In a climactic twist, the shot intended for Nolan instead hits the doll, and Somerville steps in to deflect the danger. Elsbeth emerges as not just a clever consultant but a mediator in chaos.

⏱️ Timestamps
00:03 – Shady back‑alley deal gone wrong, homicide leads to toy store
 00:05 – Nolan Hurst appears at the emporium; hostage situation begins
 00:12 – Elsbeth enters, hostage plan & ventilation attempt fails
 00:19 – Puppets, nanny‑cams, and Elsbeth’s crafty maneuvers
 00:27 – Call with Bella deescalates the crisis
 00:46 – Sniper threat, group disguise, shot hits the doll

🔑 Key Themes & Notes
  • Lawyer as peace‑broker: This episode leans less “whodunit” and more “how do we survive?” — Elsbeth’s legal reasoning becomes a tool for mediation, not just courtroom strategy.
  • Empathy for the “criminal”: Nolan isn’t painted as a purely villainous figure; he’s flawed, desperate, trying to reconnect with his daughter. The show leans into shades of gray.
  • Police tensions & accountability: Tully’s eagerness to “solve” by force clashes with Wagner and Elsbeth. Teddy’s intel about Tully’s past adds pressure.
  • Resourceful staging: The toy store setting—with puppets, music, vents, cameras—gives the episode a fresh, playful yet suspenseful feel.
  • Callback to Diane: Elsbeth’s mention of Diane Lockhart hints at interconnections with The Good Wife universe, teasing possible crossovers or legacy ties.
  • Budget & storytelling constraints: The tight location, minimal cast, and “bottle” narrative structure suggest creative adaptation to resource limits.
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Creators and Guests

Host
Jason Reed
I’m a simple guy with simple interests. Pop Culture, Tv, Movies, Comics. Constantly chasing that nostalgia dragon. Podcaster talking Married At First Sight on A Perfect Match and The Good Wife verse on The Good Pod.
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Marissa Garza
MTv never told me the Real World would be like this // podcaster, consultant, and tv watcher

What is The Good Pod?

Calling all fans of courtroom intrigue and complex characters! Join us each week as we dive deep into the gripping world of "The Good Wife," "The Good Fight", "Elsbeth," and the entire legal drama universe created by Robert and Michelle King. Jason Reed and Marissa Garza, break down each episode, unpack intricate plot lines, and analyze the moral dilemmas faced by Alicia Florrick, Diane Lockheart, Elsbeth Tascioni, and their colleagues. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to these addictive shows, you'll gain fresh insights and catch details you might have missed.

Elsbeth S3E2
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[00:00:05] Welcome to the Good Pod where we're talking Ellizabeth, season three, episode two, doll Day afternoon. I'm one of your hosts, Jason Reed. With me as always, the one, the only, the singular. Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good? I we're good. Jason, you good? I'm good. I'm good. Good, good. Here we're second. We're here second episode, season three.

[00:00:29] We were just here and then we're back. We were, we're back. We're back already. I, I will say this at the top. I enjoyed this episode so much more than the premiere. I know we had our criticism of the premiere. We had our things that we, uh, we we're talking about, but I thought this was a lot. I thought this was a really good episode, mostly because it deviated from.

[00:00:52] The formula. Right. It was a, it was a different type of episode flow than we're used to. Yep. I think that what really contributed to, [00:01:00] uh, to my enjoyment of it, and I just thought, I don't know, I just thought it was punchier. I thought it was funner than our usual episodes. Yeah. I, um, when I saw where this was going, I was like, oh, Jason's gonna love this because it is not the original like play, which is always nice to see.

[00:01:19] Um, and also, you know. I think the show is doing a good job of being creative within the limitations of what they, you know, they, again, I think you might be onto something there, Jason, with the whole, like the show is telling us something. 'cause the budget was brought up again in this episode. Um, so, you know, they might be trying to tell us like, we're giving you the best show we can with what we got.

[00:01:40] And this episode was great. Yeah, it's really good. Um, before we get into the episode proper, let's, uh, I wanna remind you of the listeners and viewers out there, some free and easy ways that you can support this podcast. You can do that by rating, reviewing, and subscribing to this podcast. Wherever it is you are listening and or watching, [00:02:00] doing all or any of those things helps us get into the eyes and ears of more listeners slash.

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[00:02:44] Uh, Jennifer o she writes, so glad Ellsworth and your coverage is back. I'm glad we're back to you, Jennifer. Hope you're enjoying. Hope you enjoyed this episode. Hope you enjoy our podcast of this episode. Uh, we also got a contribution from Carolina and, uh, she writes, I liked the Ellsworth episode, but you guys were right.

[00:02:59] It seemed [00:03:00] a little slow, like it wasn't kooky enough. Uh, LOLI can't quite put my finger on it, but I'll still keep watching and listening. Uh, Carolina, I hope this, I hope this episode was more. More to your liking, more to your speak. I thought I, this is pretty kooky, especially when Ellizabeth goes into the, to the toy store.

[00:03:13] It was like she was all over the place, so she was in her element for sure. Yes. I hope this is more to your speak, Carolina. Uh, Carolina and Jennifer, thank you so much for contributing, uh, through buy me a coffee. It means a lot to us because that is like the ultimate way to show, uh, your. Your pleasure with the podcast?

[00:03:32] I think so. Thank you guys so much for that. Uh, with that all out of the way, Marissa, let's, uh, let's get into the episode. Let's do it. I'm gonna just read a little summary of the episode and then we can talk about like our favorite parts and how we felt about it. So. In this episode, as you mentioned, a titled Dog Day, or Dog Day Afternoon, doll Day Afternoon.

[00:03:54] Uh, there's a shady deal going down in an alley that spins violently out of control, leaving the buyer [00:04:00] fatally or the seller fatally injured. Elizabeth's investigation leads to a high end toy emporium where she catches sight of Nolan Hurst, who is played by. Jesus, David Cross, David Cross, who I think most people would know from Arrested Developments.

[00:04:17] Uh, I think that's, that's probably where I think, you know, everyone knows David Cross from, but David Cross has been all over the comedy scene. Uh, he's very recognizable, so I, I think most people know David. David Cross. Yes, yes, yes. Um, so he is the one who was buying, but Nolan Hurst is there in the emporium doing a little bit of an exchange.

[00:04:37] Elba was like, Hey, hey, uh, that's the guy. And then her officer, officer son Mer uh, Summerville. Summerville. Yes. Officer Somerville. Somerville calls it in and this turns quickly from a, Hey, we caught the guy in like two seconds to a hostage situation in a toy store. Captain Wagner arrives on the scene, he's like taken a [00:05:00] deep breath.

[00:05:00] He's in some sort of mood. Um, but he's also introduced, we are introduced to Captain Tulley, which we learned. Um, Wagner and Tulley have some history there. They may not be the best of friends, but Tully also has impatience and he, he has a drive to kind of like get the man by, like shooting the person in these situations as opposed to kind of deescalating it.

[00:05:22] And inside Nolan has taken away all of the, um, cameras. So the police really don't have any way in. And Elsbeth is brought up as in a prisoner exchange to go inside. She's got her tote bag. She's ready, ready to, you know. Go in there. She goes in and tells everyone what the plan is. The cops try to come in through the, through the roof, go through events, but that did not work out well because there's a big, big piano from the movie, big on the floor, and the cops step, step on the floor.

[00:05:51] And that leads Nolan to realize something is up. So at this point, Nolan is like, okay, let's bind everybody together [00:06:00] and Elsbeth, you're not gonna talk. Meanwhile outside Teddy arrives and Wagner's like, Hey, your mom. She's good at talking her way herself out of these things. So there has to be a little bit of, um.

[00:06:12] Maneuvering by Elsbeth, including an easy bake oven, but at in the end, Elsbeth learns that Nolan has a daughter named Bella and she uses that personal collection connection to deescalate by, and we get Bella on the phone and talk to her father. Um, Teddy is also in his investigative journalism era, and so he brings in some information that Captain Tully once, you know, had the wrong man shot at one of his operations before.

[00:06:39] So this is not like the best situation for him. And in a scene where we had a stuffed animal jury. With a nanny cam that Elsbeth had set up. Elizabeth does go back to the lawyering. We do see a little bit of this from her and she tells basically, Nolan, this is how I would do your case in a way to [00:07:00] get Nolan to give more information to the police.

[00:07:03] It was very, very, uh, very smart. Uh, and she, we basically find out that he's doing this for the love of his family, for his daughter. His daughter asked for this doubt when she was 11, even though now she's 14. Um, in the end they have to get, you know, Nolan outside and instead of sending him out there by himself, ELs, both like, okay, we're all gonna put on these shirts and these hats and we're gonna go as like a little turtle and we're gonna go outside because she knows that, um.

[00:07:33] Officer or Captain Tulley wants to shoot someone. And in, um, in the end, officer Somerville is the one who kind of saves the day, brings them all to the ground while the shot goes off, and it's the doll that gets. Shot in the end. So those are the main, like plot points. Jason? Yeah. Where do you wanna start?

[00:07:54] Let's talk, let's, let's talk about the opening scene with, with the, with the, the doll. The, the, [00:08:00] what did you think was gonna be in that trunk when the trunk opened? Like what did you think we were haggling over? Well, me being a museum person, I was like, oh, this is some sort of artifact deal. Like some sort of like, you know, like in Black Panther where they have like the artifact deals.

[00:08:13] In Thedo underground market. Like that's what I thought this was. I did not expect it to be, um, the Elsbeth universe version of an American girl doll. Yeah. That, that was funny. I was like, oh, this is cool. I thought the, the murder quote unquote death. Uh, little, little, you know, Acho, I thought, you know, they were, they were tussling for the cash because this guy, uh, Patrick, or whatever his name was, the manager of the toy store, really just windled, uh, Nolan out of, out of this, this.

[00:08:43] Yeah, he wanted, and the doll he wanted was only $400, and, um, Nolan showed up with $6,000, which, you know, if, if, if we flash forward a little bit to the toy store, it didn't seem like this doll was hard to [00:09:00] obtain. It didn't seem like it was like some crazily like. Uh, sought after collectible. I was like, you could have just gone to a toy store and paid the 400 bucks instead of this back alley meeting.

[00:09:11] I don't know. I, I think it was kind of explained away by like, oh, maybe this is the last all left. And Patrick, uh, the, the guy that was killed, reserved, or someone else instead of this guy. But then we had the back alley deal. It was a little confusing. I'm like, okay. I wonder if Nolan knew about the store or if he just thought like, the only way to do this is to like, look on EBIT with my connections or whatever to find out, because I don't know if he knew about the toy store until he saw the tissue paper that the doll was wrapped in, that that is what, like led Elsbeth to the store in the, in the first place.

[00:09:41] So I, you know, there's a lot of like, questions about that. I, I agree. It's not that clear. Um, but he seems like a guy who would check, you know. Check the black market as opposed to checking. Yes. Google for some reason. Maybe, you know, he's, he is fresh out of prison for three years. Yes. [00:10:00] For insider trading.

[00:10:01] Yeah, for insider trading. Maybe he's not too hip on the Facebook marketplace or how to, you know, talk to your phone and Google like, where to find this thought. I don't know. It was weird. Not, not the most inventive of ways that we've seen someone die. Uh, he just kind of like. Threw the guy on the ground and he accidentally cracked his head open on the concrete pillars, like, oh, well, you know, and I, I can't remember, help me out, Jason, if there was a case like this before, but this might be like the first one where it's not about a revenge or hatred or something like, like, like this is a true accidental death.

[00:10:34] Like this. Yeah. This is, this is very accidental. Yeah. I. You know, going through the LS Smith, the Rolodex, uh, like you said, most of our cases are dealing with people that were, uh, murdering out of some hatred or revenge or to cover something up. This was just kind of a very accidental death, I think it was.

[00:10:53] I think that kind of makes sense because. Unlike a lot of our murderers that we've seen throughout this show, [00:11:00] uh, we really, they really want us to feel bad for Nolan. Yeah. For most of the episode, they want us to like, relate to this guy, uh, have empathy for him. Most of our murderers are like, get this person into, into custody immediately.

[00:11:11] We hate this person. They're so, they're so terrible. Despicable Nolan is just, you know. A guy down in his luck that feels like he's been like, put in an imposter situation and does what he does. Um, so yeah, I think, I think that's probably why as well that, you know, he gets, he gets screwed over. He, you know, he tries to get his money back.

[00:11:30] And in that, trying to do that, he ally murders a guy and he is just doing this for his daughter in the first place. Like this isn't like, he's not doing this because at home he has a collection of American girl dolls or whatever. Um, or if you, uh, dropout fans are out there. American Gold Doll shoes. Um, Jason, do you watch Dropout?

[00:11:48] I, I, I have just recently discovered Dropout. Yay. Yay. Through. Uh, listen, I, I, I, I'm a Facebook reels person. I've only just discovered clips and stuff, and I'm kind of like [00:12:00] obsessed with the dropout clips Now. I freaking love them. Yes. Yes. Um, if you haven't seen Dropout tv, let go search them up on. It's all like, it's well worth the investment and well like check it out on YouTube if you want a taste of like what they have before, but they have this so funny one, like that's the Brendan guy.

[00:12:18] Do you know what I'm, do you know what I'm referring to? Is that the Brendan guy that was like, yes, they were, they were doing pitches for different products and that's Yes, yes. Yeah. That's what he was doing. And the whole goal was like you pitched the product and then whichever video got the most views would be the one that was.

[00:12:34] They would make real, they, yeah. No, no. That that person, whoever pitched that would become president of dropout in name only for a year. So, um, Brennan, who is also in DD and all this, he's like a big face in dropout, basically was like, I'm quitting dropout and making American girl tall shoes. So yeah, that, that did help, um, Vic from dropout become [00:13:00] president in name only, so.

[00:13:02] Uh, a little drop, bit of drop, drop out, tangent, uh, drop out. Um, are you listening? Do you That is a sponsor. I think we could, we really align with. So heck yeah. Hey, let's go. Let's go. Let us know. Let us know. Um, but yeah. But yeah, it's not like he's has like this collection of American, right? I mean. Or anything like that.

[00:13:21] They could have, they could have easily pivoted this and had, uh, David Cross be like some corrupt, uh, yeah. Collectible toy broker or dealer or something and just murdered this guy for his doll. But I think, I, I think the way they, they framed him is like to be a down his luck, uh. Recently, uh, released Excon only trying to please his daughter.

[00:13:44] So I, I think David Cross is good at that type of like, schlubby, uh, feel bad for me guy. He also could do the corrupt toy dealer. So it, it just kind of shows the range that David Cross has. Yes, he could. Um, so yeah, I like that. Yeah. And the much like [00:14:00] the murder. Accidental murder? Um, not premeditated, I guess.

[00:14:05] Is that what I'm just trying to go through the, like, degrees of murder? It's not first degree. It would definitely be like second degree maybe. But anyw who? Uh. He also did not intend for this hostage situation to come? No, not at all. He just heard Detective Somerville, who, Jason, lemme know what you said because he's not a detective, he's just, he's just a cop.

[00:14:26] He's not a detective. He's just a cop, but he's a third generation cop. And I was like, am I supposed to know you? Are you like someone from like CSI or Law and Orders? Nephew, kid, something like that. Like, I don't know what this connection is supposed to be, but he like mentioned it like 800 times. So I'm like, why do we know about this?

[00:14:45] I think it's just to show that he's like, he's a very green, he has, he, he, he feels like a sense of duty to be a cop because his family has been cops. So he has that type of pressure on him. Uh, I don't think it's supposed to be meant for anything, anything else to, to [00:15:00] really. Get into, but uh, yeah. What did you, 'cause we had our thoughts last episode about, uh, why we're gonna get rotating cops, which I think will definitely be a thing.

[00:15:10] Uh, rotating cops. Now we don't even get a detective this episode, which is like, I know. Interesting. Which, uh, again, makes us like, like. Budget cuts, like, is that, are you having less effectives as well to save money? Um, but I, I think you kind of got your wish, Marissa, last episode you were talking about you wanted Ellsworth and Wagner to kind of work together and show their bonds.

[00:15:32] I think that's what we got here in this episode because they worked pretty closely together in different parts of this episode. But to see, to meet Detective Somerville. And have him, officer, officer, officer. Yeah. So I did, I did what you just did, officer Somerville to meet him and to see how green he is.

[00:15:49] See how brand new he is. But he, he really wants to try hard. But I think, you know, at the end of this episode I was like, but I mean, he's gonna be fired, right? Because he [00:16:00] literally. He literally let someone grab his gun. Yeah. Like this all happened because his gun wasn't secure. Yeah. I feel like that's like an automatic viral offense.

[00:16:09] Like I know, I know. This is El Smith. They were trying to look at things through like a positive lens, but. That guy's gotta get fired now, right? Gotta I have another like, budget win for you? It's like a bad thing for Officer Somerville, but you know, it, it was crazy to me how like, by the end of it, when Somerville kind of, uh, jumps in to quote unquote save the day, he like grabs his gun.

[00:16:34] He's like, so happy to get his gun back. He's like, yeah, I got my gun back. It's like, stretch my arm. It's like. I, that was like the wrong tone for me. I was like, you should be, you should be glad. You should just be thankful that you're, you know, read the room in 2025. Officer Somerville, like read the room.

[00:16:50] Yeah. So that was wild for me. I, I, I liked Officer Summerville. He was. Fun. You know, it wasn't anything crazy. Um, and you know, when, when we're, [00:17:00] what did you think of the, uh, the beginning clues, right? Because we get elsworth at the scene. Mm-hmm. Yeah. They're looking at, they're looking at the crime scene. We see, uh, Ellsworth picks up a hair.

[00:17:09] Mm-hmm. Uh, she's like, oh, interesting. Looks like nylon. And then she sees a gem on the ground. Mm-hmm. And, which I don't know what that's supposed, I mean, that would've come into play like a little later when she's at the toy store with, uh, with Nolan. Uh, I, I didn't, I didn't think it was that like. We've seen many more leaps of logic from Elizabeth.

[00:17:27] Yeah. Is this, uh, you know, before this was okay, I thought, I think this episode, um. Very much hearkened back to lawyer SBA as opposed to consent decree slash detective slash consultant slash whatever you are. You help the police sba, um, because she used those skills to get information out of someone. She used those skills to deescalate a situ situation.

[00:17:53] It wasn't so much about like tying two things together. It was more about how do I get out of this [00:18:00] and with everyone alive, how do I make this a win? Like she had to go into the situation thinking it's a win as opposed to a who done it. And I think, um, this is the first time at, at least in the series that we've seen besides the one when she was like on a jury, but this is where she'd had to like, use those lawyer skills to really kind of get out of a bind here.

[00:18:20] And like she was disconnected from the police department. She couldn't. Get that information. She was just like, the information smuggler, basically. Like she was like trying to get the information from one place to another. Um, so yeah, I don't think we had our usual like, whoa moment. We didn't, uh, like, and we didn't need like the ELs explanation of everything at the end because we had seen it all happen mainly because of how they set this up so that she would be in the middle of it and try to get out of it.

[00:18:50] Yeah. Uh, what did you think about the visit to the toy store? Because, I mean, listen, this is, I guess this is, this is supposed to be FAO Schwartz, I'm imagining, right? Like Yes. I mean, it has to be. I [00:19:00] mean, I know, I mean, we're millennials. I feel like we got this. I would be really interested if anyone else got this, but yeah, FAO Schwartz was a big deal.

[00:19:10] At least when I was a kid, and also mainly because of the movie Big, and it's referenced here a couple of times when SBA is looking for the big piano on the floor that plays music. Uh, the toy store looked like just like a regular toy store. Like it, it had a lot of things. It had had a lot of random things.

[00:19:33] It had a mom and pop store feel, but I think it was supposed to be franchise because they asked for a flagship, which to me was many of them, and they had a very weird foam. Yeah, a very, very interesting one. I liked, I liked all the, uh, employees dressing up as different things. I, that was fun. And I think if you want to really get the most out of Carrie Preston as Elsbeth being, uh, kooky Elsbeth, as Carolina said, you put her in a [00:20:00] toy store where she could get distracted by so many things.

[00:20:03] I thought the puppet bit was so fun. I, you know, if you wanna get me as. Jason, Jason Ree, if you want to get to me as a, as a viewer, you get to me through my like. Puppets. Puppets, puppets, uh, just, just fun stuff. And the way Ellsworth was interacting with all this stuff, and she put the puppet on her hand is like talking with the puppet and using the puppet to signal Somerville later.

[00:20:28] Oh, that was all so much fun. And, and I really, I, I think. Elizabeth thrives when she can be in a situation, either, either when she's in a situation where she can act as silly as she wants 'cause she's around silly things. Or the, the inverse where she's the only silly person in the room and everyone plays off of her, which kind of was where we were in the van.

[00:20:49] Right. Like, yes, she's, she's the, she is the bright, silly thing in a sea of literally cops that are all dressed in black. So I think that's, that's how you use SMA at [00:21:00] her, at her, at her height is to use her in those situations. Off this episode, did that really, really well? Yeah, I liked how, um, there, there was a point when Nolan asks, you know, like, I'll exchange hostage, but like, send in the cop.

[00:21:14] They're like, we'll, send him in. And she's, they're like, no, her the plain clothes cop. Cop. And she's like, please my plain clothes. Yeah, so good. And I liked her, everybody, it was just like, I'm like, she's not a cop. Like they, they told like, like, yeah bro, bro, she's not a cop. She's not a cop. Uh, so I thought that that was really good and really funny.

[00:21:32] Um. And just the way, just the way that, you know, ELLs, Smith and Somerville stumbled upon Nolan ELLs, Smith being ELLs Smith and just talking to everyone in her vicinity. Mm-hmm. She didn't, I, she didn't even clock Nolan until like she saw the, the doll with the hair that matches the hair. They found, they see the gym missing out of Nolan's ring.

[00:21:50] So it's like, and that's enough, like, that's enough for the, yeah. Like, I like to think of it as like, I don't know if anyone else watched, uh, you, you are definitely probably too old for this, [00:22:00] but you probably are aware. Oh right. Thank you. Sorry, I'm, I'm too old for it, so you're too old for it. But I was aware of it.

[00:22:06] It was around of what? That's so Raven. Uh, oh my gosh. Yeah. Well, I do have the advantage of having a, a sister who's eight years younger than me. That's right. So I was aware of the. Of the, of the world. Yes. I, I think of it as like when Raven has like a vision of the future, like, I feel like that's the elsewhere thing.

[00:22:22] Just like, like, oh my God, I found, I found the guy. She connects everything, connects all the dots, so she finds him, she's, you know, motions over to Somerville with the puppet. Like it's this guy. Do you think that this also was like a commentary? This could just be me reading too much into it with my 2025 brain?

[00:22:41] I don't know. You know? I know. I was like, I don't know if that's possible, but like this was a true instance of where. A non cop deescalated a situation and helped people move forward, you know what I mean? Like this, this was literally like, we had Captain Tulley saying, let's shoot the guy, let's [00:23:00] shoot the guy, let's shoot, shoot the guy.

[00:23:01] And then we had Wagner and um, ELs, but saying, there's gotta be another way out of this. There's another way around this. Like, let's work. And so I enjoyed seeing that go. Side by side as well throughout this episode because I don't know, again, if they were trying to make this argument, but I walked away with that.

[00:23:19] And so, well, I mean, as, as we said last episode, the the Kings and. You know, via extension of the Kings of the ELL Smith writing staff and the ELLs Smith showrunners, uh, I think they all have the same type of mentality that we, they do kind of comment on social issues, but they don't. They'll find clever ways to like not lecture you.

[00:23:44] They'll, they'll show it through storytelling. In this show particularly. Yeah. In the Good Fight it's a little bit more over. It's more over, yeah. The Good White, good Wife. It's kind of in between The Good Fight and sba. There's, there's, uh, yeah. I mean, listen, they, they know who their audience is at sbe, so I think they [00:24:00] are, they're trying to do it subtly.

[00:24:02] Yes. But yeah, I, I think that is definitely, definitely true. Like to show, to show not only there are, that there are, we've seen corrupt cops on the show. We've seen just bungling cops. We've seen just cops not overall not good at their job. That's what Elsbeth is here for. To, yeah, that, that was the whole conceit of this show was to bring Elsbeth in as a consent decree lawyer, which weirdly got, she got name checked again as a consent decree lawyer.

[00:24:29] Wagner says that at some point. I thought we were done with that. Like I thought she was just a consultant now, so they gotta get their facts straight here. But yeah, I mean that was the whole, that was the whole point of bringing Elsbeth in was to be a consent decree lawyer. Even, even though her being a consent decree lawyer was a cover for something else, that was what she was brought in for the Department of Justice to be.

[00:24:48] So there there is that kind of commentary of like, we gotta police the police in a way. That's why she's here. So I do think there is that kind of subtle. Social commentary that the kings and [00:25:00] the people that work for the kings are, are slipping into the story. Which depending on where you are, depending on who you are, your perspective, you might really like, you might not like, you might even realize it's happening until I just said it to you and you might not like it now that I, that I pointed it out.

[00:25:13] Uh, but anyway, either way it's something interesting that the, that the Kings and their people like to do. Um, Somerville just shows just kind of how. How rookie he is by kind of like calling for backup as El Ellsworth is trying to like subtly take Well, and it's like right behind, right? Like you go to the front of the store and you get that call.

[00:25:35] You don't just stand at the, like the, the. Right behind the two people so that Nolan could hear, and Nolan of course, overhears and then turns around and is like, oh, you have a gun that is gun, that is not holster, that is not properly, uh, properly secured, takes it and, uh, holds up the store. Uh, you know, he did tell he.

[00:25:56] He just told Elford in, in the, in Somerville just to leave, get out. Like, I'm not even [00:26:00] taking ya, it's just, just leave. Which I guess through, through the commercial break, they left because like, like we come back and they're in the, they're in the, uh, cop van. I liked wag, I liked Wagner's arrival on the scene of like, it was weirdly like.

[00:26:14] Slow motion. I was like, why are they showing Wagner in this serious like light? Is he upset because elsewhere has been involved in some sort of issue? Like, no, I think like, uh, the, when I first saw it, I didn't get it. But now knowing the history between him and Captain Tulley, I think it's like, okay. He knows what he's about to deal with.

[00:26:33] Who am I gonna be? Who am I gonna show up as, you know what I mean? Like, what do I gotta do? And also he's probably concerned because he knows that Captain Tully's Mo is basically like set up the shot and shoot the guy. Um, like Ellizabeth could get in the crossfires here. Like so I. Looking back at it, it's a lot clearer, but at the time I was like, is this like his moment?

[00:26:55] Is he gonna be calling the shots? Like what is going on? But [00:27:00] afterwards it's a little bit more clear to me at least. Also, I think it's a moment to like, say Wagner's out of his office with C Sirius. Yes. Wa Wagner's at the scene. Because lately we've only seen Wagner in his office. Like, yes, he was eating the sushi pla.

[00:27:17] Even, even going back to last season, there wasn't much, there wasn't much of Wagner outside of the office. So, you know, it's the seriously Wagner's here on the scene. Yes. Um, I also, you know, I love him 'cause we, we find out Nolan's background, he just got released from prison for insider trading and elsewhere goes, oh, I was at that prison and that we, we did a musical.

[00:27:36] Or was that a, was that a dream? Which, it was a dream. It was actually a dream. Yes. Yes. You know, it didn't happen on the show. It was a dream. So fun way to like. Call back to that. I thought it was, it was cool. Okay, well, speaking of, of callbacks, Jason, do we, I think we should talk, should talk about it now.

[00:27:54] This episode had quite the callback for us too, and [00:28:00] anyone who, who listens to the Good Wife and the good fight coverage tooth becoming in a couple. But um, like, yeah, literally and through all of this, like El Nolan wants Elsbeth to be his lawyer because of how he like showed her, he was gonna set up the defense and he actually like, loves Elsbeth throughout all of this thing like.

[00:28:21] Looks to her for information. Like, where can I be, where can I go, where I'm not extradited, where, what can I do? Yeah. You know, like listening, talking about her, talking about his daughter and everything. And we hear, the first mention we hear is, I cannot be your lawyer, but I will get you the best lawyer. I know she works in dc.

[00:28:39] I was like, wait, what? Yeah. And then at the end of the episode, no one's like, you'll, you'll like, gimme that, you'll gimme that lawyer. Right? And she's like, oh yeah, Diane. Yeah, I'll, I'll call her. And I was like, oh my God. Oh my God. Which is really interesting given if the episode that we cover, uh, this week for the Good Wife, because there's [00:29:00] mention of DC and New York offices.

[00:29:04] Yes. In that episode. So I was just like, this is a great, yeah, a great time to be a good wife, a fan. My memory was failing me 'cause I was like, where do we leave all our characters at the end of good wife, good fight. So I was like, is she talking about Alicia or she's talking about Diane And then she, you know, reiterates at the end, she's talking about Diane.

[00:29:25] I was like, oh, Diane, like, I mean. This, I mean, you know, we, we got a, we got a Carrie mention in the very early days of season one we did, and that never paid off into a Carrie appearance. So this could be just, hey, a little, a little tidbit thrown to the Good Wife Watchers way. Be like, Hey, you mentioned your girl Diane.

[00:29:45] Or could just, okay. Based on the evidence of one episode of television Uhhuh, so before the season, we were told about. Stephen Colbert and Amy Steris, but we were not told about Andy Richter. Right, right, right, right, [00:30:00] right. Okay. We do know about Marissa Gold, but we do not, so I'm just saying. We know Bummers Gold.

[00:30:08] I don't know if Diane Lockhart is gonna show up. I think it'll most likely be in like some sort of phone call voice. Like if she still had her video wall type of situation maybe. But like Right. Um, I don't know. But if that happens, I will be elated. I would freak f out if Diane shows up here because, and listen, you, you gotta think.

[00:30:31] Christine Baranski and the Kings, they have a good relationship. They've been working together. I'm sure they're on Lake Steve or something. Yeah. I don't think Christine Baranski has any qualms of showing up for the Kings if need be. Unlike, unlike some other people of the, maybe the titular good wife, if you know what I'm talking about.

[00:30:50] Um, but yeah, that would be so wild. Even if it's just like a minute where Ellizabeth comes to, um. Nolan's hearing and [00:31:00] Diane is there for support. Well, I don't like, I, I think just given the, the structure of the show, it's very rare. We'll, we'll get callbacks, but we won't get like long-term scenes Right.

[00:31:09] With other people. So I wonder if it is just out there, if this is how it's to go where she's like more involved with the, um. With the criminals at this type. Like, I wonder if she's just gonna like, say, you know who you should call Diane. You know who you should call Diane. And then Diane's like, what are you doing?

[00:31:29] Yeah. Why are you doing so many calls coming from people that you, that you're referring me to? Uh, yeah, I guess I, I mean, I would, I just, I would love if like, at the beginning of an episode, right. It could be a five minute scene, whatever. Oh, I mean, she deserves it, for sure. Yeah. I feel, I feel like Elizabeth and Nolan, by the end of this, have some sort of like.

[00:31:48] Bond. This isn't like a normal Ellsworth criminal where, you know, by the end of it that's true. You know, the, the person hates Ellizabeth and you know, Ellsworth knows this is a murder. I think Ellizabeth [00:32:00] feels for Nolan. So I would just love if, like, it could be like six episodes from now if at the beginning of an episode we see Elsworth in court and she's, she's there for moral support for Nolan, and we see Diane and Diane just like.

[00:32:13] Gives us an update on her life and like, and, and other people from the show's lives. Yeah, I would just, I would freak it's what we've been wanting for the, you know, ever since Elizabeth started. So I would, I would love something like that. We're all, listen, I, I don't want be, I don't want to be too greedy.

[00:32:30] We, we are getting a Marissa Gold. Uh. Cameo. Mm-hmm. Which I think from what I've, what I'm seeing might even be next episode. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my god. Buckle up people. But yeah, I don't wanna be too greedy. Uh, so I would love a Diana appearance, even if it is, like you said, like a phone call type of thing.

[00:32:49] We just see a shot of her, like we, wherever she is, with whoever she is, um, uh, would love to see that. Just, just put that out there. But yeah, a great, I love, [00:33:00] I love a good. Uh, you know, reference cameo. Even a, even a, even a name drop, which is, which is what this was. Yes. It was so, so good. So I was like, yes, you could do it.

[00:33:12] Yeah. I, I really loved inside. Once Elva gets inside of the whole situation, and because Elsworth is, Elsworth is keen to like, get in, she's like, put me in coach. I'm going in. Yeah. Like, she doesn't, she does not wait for permission. She, Nope. She does it. She brings all of her bags, she's ready to go. She's like, oh, you, you asked me.

[00:33:33] I'm, I'm there. Yeah. No one's like, drop the bags, what's in the bags? And I was was like, well, you know, on Wednesdays I try to break. Like just, just drop them. Just let 'em go. And all of them just left them on the sidewalk, the whole episode the whole time. Yeah. Um, I love the Ragley Ann being so upset that Nola was just like, I need to get this LA because this lady was like streaming live this hostage situation from TikTok.

[00:33:56] And, and when she wasn't doing that, she was sobbing about situations. [00:34:00] It was so funny and no was like, I need to get this lady up outta here 'cause she is a pain in my butt. I, I do wonder why he asked for Ellizabeth specifically, because, I mean, I guess in the. Two seconds they spent together, she made an impression on him, I guess.

[00:34:14] Well, yeah. I mean, like if the man's been in prison and no one's really talked to him or treated him well, or like talked to, he hasn't talked to his daughter. What Ellizabeth did, I think it shows just a how, how much people can be starved for connection and attention, because all she she did was like, oh, are you buying this for your daughter?

[00:34:34] You know? Like, just have some sort of interest in what a person was doing. Not say, oh my God, you're taking too long. Or, you know, like, other things that may come, come up in a retail situation. She showed generator an interest and kept the, the, the conversation going. And I'm sure Nolan was like, oh my god, someone's talking to me.

[00:34:51] Yeah, that's so, whoa. That's, that's amazing. I'm gonna see if I can continue talking to this person who seems interested in me as a human without it being interested in [00:35:00] me as a prisoner or a criminal or, you know, anything. He didn't have to explain his life away. Yeah. It was just basically like, at least he's nice.

[00:35:07] Get her, get her in here. Yeah. Uh. Yeah. So when she gets in there, like she's, she's come up with plans immediately. No one's making demands. 'cause he's seen every single heist, uh, or like hostage taker movie you can see. And he's just going, yeah, I want a jet. I want, I want this and that. And, and I, I like that, that we're calling it at the hostage, like calling it out like, this feels like inside man, or this feels like die hard.

[00:35:32] Yeah, die hard. Uh, so I thought that was very fun. No one make his amazing, like he wants a portable heater for every hostage like. Okay. Okay. Um, I also loved how, you know, 'cause that is always a point, at least in the movies, like we gotta get food. Like, first of all, these people, uh, have only been a hostage from what we have seen for like 15 minutes, hour.

[00:35:50] Yeah. Like if this conversation go, but the conversation comes up, we gotta get food. And ELs with is like, we don't have, we don't need the cops to bring us food. We can eat [00:36:00] EasyPay oven food while they're all like tied together. In a, in a line, but she makes it happen. I was good thinking on her feet and El Smith, who was like, has her her mouth tape shut, has a hand available, is trying to talk through the tape, and they like the other hostages, eventually just like put their hands over and take the tape off their selves.

[00:36:26] Ellizabeth just could have done. She had, she had a hand available, but ELs being Ellizabeth didn't, I guess, didn't think of it or wanted to follow the rules of her being, like her mouth taped, like, he taped my mouth. I'm not gonna tape it off, take it off myself. Uh, I, I just loved that moment for her as, as well.

[00:36:40] And, and the plan to, to get to the, the first kind of rescue plan as Wagner tells her as the, as she's like getting ready to go in. We wanna send people in through the vents. Okay, but we gotta get you, we gotta get Nolan away from the vent to get our people right inside. And once elsewhere gets inside, it's like they're [00:37:00] like five vents.

[00:37:00] Which vent are you talking about? And of course, it's the one above Nolan. And for what we find out later, the one right above the big piano. And once the, once the guy, why, why is that guy moving so slow down the, I was like, oh my God. So, and also like, how, how, how? The way that that man came out of the ceiling.

[00:37:23] It was like the string was already hanging it and he was already on Apol. I'm like, how deep is this vent where he could be like standing? I was like, usually, you know, according to, you know, my expertise, which is only watching Mission Impossible, that one time that I did that, but like you're crawled in this little thing and then you kind of like fall out and then you know, like you have to catch yourself.

[00:37:45] We could have had one of those, but this was like the slowest. Well, I guess it paid, I guess it paid off because the slow pan down reveals the piano was under the vent. Yeah. When he like steps on the piano and plays a song, gets no one's [00:38:00] attention, he ends up blowing the head off of a stuffed bear while trying to shoot at the cop.

[00:38:04] I was like, damn. Meanwhile, like it sugars, pop goes the weasel. Ellizabeth has told Nolan, I need to go to the bathroom. They're waiting in the bathroom area and she's doing her best to like distract him. Like, oh, maybe the music's coming out of there. I bet you if you open it, you could like turn off the music because anyone who's worked in retail knows exactly how annoying that music is.

[00:38:24] Um. But then she's like, first dancing pop goes sweet as, as if she could drown out the giant piano that's being played. Uh, yeah, that was fun. Uh, so I mean, this kind of gets this kind of like. Exacerbates the situation, right? Because now Nolan is like, they're trying to get inside. Yes. I thought we were gonna be like, you know, negotiating, but you're trying to sneak in here.

[00:38:49] So this is when he, this is when things really ratchet up. And there were so many fun little bits in this episode. The moment with [00:39:00] Nolan trying to communicate with the toy Bullhorn. I was dead. Like that was like, he, he, he sounded like a, a little toy doll. He sound, he ends up sounding like goofy. Yeah.

[00:39:12] Communicating with the cops. So freaking funny. And also, um, because one of the things that else with us inside as she notices that there's conveniently a nanny camp sitting at the perfect place for a shot and like has the doll doctor. Fake that she is sick, but, and they use the fakest puke you could ever think of, but Nolan is like, yeah, okay, let's get this person medical attention.

[00:39:37] So all doctor goes out and she's got like the web address and the the number for the nanny PM in there. I mean, this is a, this is a premium. Uh, nanny Cam Doll because this thing had like, yeah, it was like Teddy Ruxbin. It was like, yeah, it was, and nanny cam all at the same time, because Ner actually uses the talk and he also tries to throw his voice [00:40:00] before like.

[00:40:04] And the way they used the doll, like it was one of those dolls where as, as the person speaks, the mouth moves, which is like so, so good. So this like hearing Wagner's voice come out as little doll that will get me every time, anytime a show does something dumb like that gets me. I think good wife could wife did something similar to this, I think.

[00:40:23] Yeah. They had, um, Andrew, the investigator with the kids. That's right, yes, he would, he would use his, his kids' toys for his voicemail message. Um. But yeah, even, even when Elle's pep like heard the first time Wagner tried to talk about and then like heard his voice for real, she was like. Where, where's the Oh, oh, it's you.

[00:40:44] Oh, okay. I mean this, this Rick and nanny cam has, has 4K hd. It's also got great microphone because Yeah, yeah. Ellsworth and and Nolan are talking. We hear them like 20 feet away. Like this is a, this is a good ass nanny. And I gotta say, you know, this is an episode [00:41:00] that could have had a lot of product placement and I'm sure it would've been a lot of hard work for the legal team and everything, and it probably would've helped the budget of the show, but they didn't do any of it.

[00:41:10] They stuck to the story and they, they were original with like changing the names of things and you know, like I was just thinking while we were talking about the nanny cam was like, why wasn't there a commercial for this nanny cam in this, in this show? Um, because we don't know what kind it was, but. Um, yeah, it was really funny.

[00:41:29] I, I wanna talk about Teddy. Yeah, I was gonna ask about that. Yeah. It seems as if Teddy is kind of the new Kaya in a way. Kinda it's the personal, uh, you know, kind of way into ELLs best world, which honestly. I don't love, like, I'm like, I like Teddy. Teddy's cool, but I, I don't think there's a way to really bring Teddy into every single case.

[00:41:57] Yeah, this was a bit much, because like there's this whole [00:42:00] thing going on, this whole hostage situation, and he just shows up on the street like, Hey, Wagner, I'm here. And he's like, yeah, cool. Okay. You could come in and then I'll, he drops the information about Talia's past and then is like. My mom's awesome.

[00:42:15] Basically, it's just a, it's just a little too like farfetched to believe that this would actually, like, that this is a thing that would happen. And well, he, he's inserting himself. He gets him something to the police van. It's like, okay. He says it a couple of times. Jason, I don't know if you caught it, but, uh, he will not share his location, but, but I, I share with him.

[00:42:35] Oh. So I think that they're coming up with all of these random, like really low. Bare, like low stakes ways to get him in here, because that's how he says he found out about this whole situation and where she was anyway. And so I just hope, oh, I miss Kaya. Yes. Uh, I think everyone misses Kaia. I've seen, I've seen the, uh, the feelings on the [00:43:00] interweb about, about Kaya, you know, missing Kaya Kaia not being here.

[00:43:04] I think, I think that is a sentiment that a lot of people share, uh, that I definitely share. And I, I listen. Love Teddy. I'm glad we got to meet Ellsworth's son. I just don't need him in every episode. Right. It's like finding, finding ways to insert him into the, the narrative. I think you had a perfect, uh, you had a perfect way to.

[00:43:26] Have someone bonded to Elsbeth and Kaya, where she also was a part of the police force. So she was naturally in these situations. Uh, so it, it felt a little off base for me. I was just like, I, I hope they don't try and force Teddy into every episode to give, to, to make well, to give the stakes of like, this is a personal connection for Al's.

[00:43:45] Beth. Yeah. If, if he's gonna be in an episode, I want it to be. Legit, like I want it to be for his new job. I want it to be that, you know, like some sort of thing. Not just like, I saw your location [00:44:00] and we're here. You know, like something that has to do with his story and storyline or like his boyfriend told him to go pick up a bagel and I just happened to be at the, you know what I mean?

[00:44:08] Like some, something that ties back that's not just like basically I was walking down the street and I saw my mom and she's here. You know what I mean? Um, something. It felt a little shoved in. Yeah, absolutely. So it was a little, yeah. I was like, ah, don't love that, but okay. Uh, it, it is through, it is through these, these moments as well.

[00:44:27] We kind of learned more about Nolan and we learned about his struggle with leaving his daughter. Uh, you know, she was 11 when he went in. She's, oh, she was nine when he went in. Now she's 14. So he's trying to reconnect with her. Yeah. That was the whole reason that he was getting the dolls to reconnect with his daughter.

[00:44:43] I love when they, they got the daughter on the phone, because of course, elsewhere threw her like, you know. Her magic of the nanny cam gets him to reveal his daughter's name. Yes. You know you gotta love a good caption. One. One. Search for Nolan's daughter later. [00:45:00] One search for Bella later. Yeah, we have Bella in the policeman where you know.

[00:45:05] I, I love this because it just kind of shows like where Nolan's at, he got her this, this doll, because this is the doll she wanted when she was 11 years old or something. And he is like, Hey, I got, I did all this to get you this doll. And Belle's like, bruh, 14 now, not nine or 11 anymore. Yeah. Yeah. I mean like, and at first of course she's being coached by Tully to say like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:45:27] Like, yeah. And she's like, yeah, dad, I love it. You could bring it outside for me. That would be so great. And actors just like. No, just be yourself. And she's like, yeah, dad, I wanted it, but not anymore. I'm different now. And it kind of gets Nolan to think, okay, yeah, time has passed. Even though he says to her at the end of this conversation, like, or in the middle of this conversation, I'm your father.

[00:45:50] I know when you're lying that I don't know if he really does. You know what I mean? He is, he is been like out of touch for that long. So I'm sure that kind of when he closes the conversation by [00:46:00] saying, bye Bella. Be good. Like he's, he's not lc Bill no more. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, yeah. So that was, that was interesting.

[00:46:09] Uh, you know, we, everything kind of comes to a head because Tully has set up a sniper across the street. Like, oh, like we're really escalating now. Yeah. Well, and it's really interesting because the way that that's presented, like the Wagner comes in, he does his, like, comes on the scene, does his deep breath, walks around, he walks by the sniper guy.

[00:46:30] He's like, okay, like we're here, I guess. Does a little head nod. Head nod, head nod. And then, um, that was his plan all along. Like Tully's plan all along was to set up a shot, get the shot, get the shot. We could do this. Uh, take him out, take him out, take him out. And um, he still couldn't do it 'cause he ended up being, you know.

[00:46:51] Outsmarted by Elsbeth, which I thought was great. Her solution here to like, you know, Wagner tells her through the nanny cam, like, don't go outside with [00:47:00] with Nolan because they're gonna shoot him. And he's like, well what if he can't get a shot? Like maybe we can help everybody win. And also I thought it was interesting how ELLs Smith like kind of ma also bef like before they, they leave, they, I think she's trying to.

[00:47:17] Her first plan is to get, is to make the cops see that Nolan isn't like some Right, notorious bad guy. Because I think, uh, Tully kinda logic reaches at some point and is like, oh, he must have been using the dolls transport drugs. This guy's a Oh, yeah, at the beginning he's, he's a hardcore felon or whatever.

[00:47:37] He's a, he's a bad guy, and Elsman like uses nanny cam to kind of show people like, Hey, like. She gets him to like, kind of tell, tell the story like, what happened? You, you're gonna pay $6,000 this dog because you love your family. You just did this for your daughter, this, this and that. And she like, she tells, she says, Hey, this is what I used to do for a living.

[00:47:57] I used to, I, I had to go and [00:48:00] find a bigger villain to blame things on. Right, right. And this, this, like, that's what I used to do. And you could tell like in that moment she's just like, yeah, I used to be kind of shitty. I used to be kind of bad. I used to like get people out of things by finding a bigger villain.

[00:48:15] It just so happens in this instance, uh, you know, she's. Nolan's not that big of a villain. And so she kind of, she, she kind of presents this as if she's in court and says, Hey, this isn't your fault. You got ripped off. Yeah. Which I also like, I mean, he did kill the guy though, like he did do that. Yes. And, but then in regards to the hostage situation, she's like, you didn't mean for this to happen.

[00:48:41] It was a police officer that had their gun not secured and also were in this position because Tulley, uh, captain Tulley and his budget, he wanted to use his big machine. You know, like all of those things. Mm-hmm. Like she, she's basically in that instance also telling the police like, you are [00:49:00] liable here.

[00:49:00] And if any, like even. Like if anyone gets evidence for the case they have, uh, like they have the strategy already written up for, for them by Elva. Like, this is not gonna be a good look for you if this, if this goes bad. Like, you're this guy, this man is just a, a dad trying to reach out to his daughter. So it is, it is really, it is really kind of more of like a.

[00:49:23] You don't want to kill this like father that's just trying to get a doll for his daughter, do you? Which doesn't really reach Tulley. He doesn't really like do anything to sway Tulley. 'cause he still wants to take out Nolan via Sniper and like then the police chief calls and he's like, oh my, like Wagner's undermining me and blah, blah, blah, blah.

[00:49:42] We learn that the chief sides with Tulley and does it kind of kicks Wagner and tells him to like stand down and get out of Tully's way and all of this stuff. So I think that's setting up, hopefully that's setting up some more Wagner character development in terms of like how he [00:50:00] operates within his whole.

[00:50:02] Force, is that what they call the whole thing? It's a force, not a division, like a, yeah, I guess so. Group of people known as the police. Do you think we'll see Tulley again? It feels like they were kind of setting him up to be like kind of a big bad for a Wagner. Yeah, because he said, um, at the end of the episode, he's like, we just have some old issues that may have become new issues.

[00:50:25] Mm-hmm. Yeah. So TT you played by Campbell Scott, by the way? Uh, some you may have, may have recognized him from House of Cards. I do, I do kind of, uh, re uh, remember him. He is also, he is just kind of everywhere. Like if you, if you need a shitty, older white guy that's, that's your man, call that guy. He did. If, you know, he, he fills this typecast Well, yeah.

[00:50:48] So he wasn't a nobody, so he might definitely pop up. Uh, again, uh, so, you know, like, you know, Ellsworth comes up with this great idea to, and I think, I think you could [00:51:00] see this in a lot of different television shows. You probably, you probably could have written this yourself, uh, if, if you were thinking of it because.

[00:51:06] Hey, let's get the big idea. He can't shoot Nolan if we all look like Nolan. If you can't tell us all apart. So y'all dressed up. I thought I'm Bo Jackson. I, Bo Jackson, remember that commercial, like Bo Jackson, I almost thought they were all gonna dress up for like some big like teddy bear costumes and all come out.

[00:51:25] Like, I thought that would've been fun. But they all, they all dress up as, what do they dress up as? Like, so they used these like oversized shirts, like Yeah. That they had and then put on like rain hats. That had like, that looked like, like had ducks on them. Yeah. And then they brought a doll. They put a doll, the doll that he wanted to bring his daughter in the middle.

[00:51:49] And that is what ended up getting, and then there was like this whole scene at the end where the doctor, the doll doctor, like. You put a sheet over her. That was, that was so cute. That [00:52:00] was so cute. Um, so, yeah. You know, they, they, Elizabeth saved, basically saved Nolan's life because, and it, it was very like, tense because they're, they're in this like huddle trying to, you know, you know, hide everyone's identity so they can't figure out who to shoot.

[00:52:17] And Tully, Tully goes mad, goes crazy. He f he tries to find glasses. He tries to find the person with glasses. Oh yeah. Like at first he is like, look for beard. Look for a beard. And he paired, no. Oh, glasses. Look for glasses. I see glasses. Shoot. Take your shot, take your shot. And like the guy who's like sitting at the front of the camera is like, we can't just shoot this guy.

[00:52:38] We can't, like, we can't use like, and I don't even know. Who, like, I, I didn't see any glasses when they were like, looking at the thing. I was like, what glasses will y'all seeing? Just I have this shot and I mean, I, I I have talk. Oh, like at the shot? No, he was just saying like he just wanted, yeah, he was trying to get it recorded that he saw it.

[00:52:54] We didn't see it. And, and Marissa, I'm I'm, I wanna apologize on behalf of the show for that dis [00:53:00] discrim discriminating against glasses wearers. Like, we don't wanna, we don't wanna just go indiscriminately. Shooting people with glasses. Okay. That's not right. My friend Marissa wears glasses. Okay. Not cool. I do not.

[00:53:11] Cool. Shit, thank you. Um, but yeah, so thank you. So a shot rings out. Did you think anyone was actually gonna get, like, hit by this, this bullet or like No, I mean, if anything, I thought like maybe someone got grazed by it or something, but it was kind of funny that it was a direct, like direct hit on the doll.

[00:53:29] Like head hedge on the doll. Yeah. I was like. Somerville kind of, you know, comes in, quote unquote, saves the day by jumping, uh, you know, I guess pushing everyone down, jumping in front of the bullet. I, uh, like, you know, yeah, like, messes up the shot, basically. Yeah. He kind of comes out of this looking like a hero ish guy.

[00:53:51] But I, I still was just like, I mean, bro, this is kind of your fault in the first place. You, you're about to get fired. I don't know why you're so happy right now. Like, [00:54:00] it was weird. It was weird. Um. I mean, that's, that was, did we miss anything? Anything else you wanted to hit on? No, no. I think, um, I think we talked about about it top to bottom, inside and out, and I think it, again, just from a production standpoint gonna be interesting.

[00:54:18] Like, do we think we'll have more of these episodes where it's all kind of like, this was a really easy. Shoot. Not like it's easy to do, but it's like one location. They didn't have to go to other locations. They were in one place. They did the whole thing. In the same place. And so they, they were able to save money there.

[00:54:37] And also, like, we didn't have a detective. We didn't have all this stuff. So I'm just, I'm keeping an eye on that just because I'm that kind of person. But I think it'll be interesting to see, especially if the show gets renewed for a fourth season, how they kind of come out of this as a production as a whole of like, okay, you can be on, but your budget's cut.

[00:54:56] Okay, well let's, let's make this the best we can. And I [00:55:00] really like to see the creativity and ingenuity that happens when people have like constraints on their. On their resources, and I think that this is a great example of that. Yeah. Job well done, Elsbeth. Uh, job well done. The Kings. Uh, good, good episode.

[00:55:13] I can't wait to talk to episode three next week. Uh, I hope you guys enjoyed this, like two episodes in one week bit. Uh, I think it'll be happening again anytime soon, but, uh, I'm happy we got these two episodes out. I'm glad. You know, we, I, I feel like we kind of had some stumbles in episode one, but I think we kind of picked things up in episode two.

[00:55:32] I almost wish. This episode was the premiere. I think it would've been the worthwhile. They couldn't do that though. They had to explain, they had to explain where she was, that she had like, yeah, they had to bring everybody back and all that stuff. So like, this is definitely like the true, like I feel like the first, the first episode was like our context for the season episode, and now we can like have actual episodes going forward.

[00:55:56] That makes sense. That makes sense. Uh, yeah. So Marissa, do you [00:56:00] want to tell good folks where they can find you and, and all that you're up to. Good folks. Why don't we just call them good folks, listeners. Ooh, good folks. Hey, good folks. Uh, hey, good folks. It, I, it's only taken us over a hundred episodes to get here.

[00:56:13] Good folks, but we're here now. Um. You can always find me here on the Good Pod talking Elsbeth or The Good Wife with Jason. Um, episodes for Elsbeth will usually post on Saturdays. Good Wife comes out on Mondays. Um, other than that, I'm over on Whirl in Podcast talking pretty little liars one previously on at a time.

[00:56:33] That is. The chaos that it sounds, that it is, or I'm over on US sisterhood, talking to my sister about Star Trek, the Next Generation, neither of us has have watched it, so we are making our way through season two. Got it. You can find links to all of those things at it's meme, marissa g.com. Can I make a suggestion for the USS sisterhood?

[00:56:55] Please? Can you sample the sister sister theme song from Mitchell [00:57:00] sister? I'm pretty love talking about star phase. Yeah, love talking about star treks and red shirts, sister, sister space exploration, Andre, or something like that. I don't know. Um, oh, I'm gonna cut that from here. And it's going in. Yes, yes, please, please make that your theme song really fun.

[00:57:21] Uh, okay. Uh, for me, you, uh, like Marissa mentioned, uh, all the good pot stuff you got going on, I also in the middle of. Uh, talking about love and mess, uh, in reality tv I'm currently talking about Love is Blind. Season nine. Over on the Rob has Podcast Network on the Love at First Sight Feed. We just look up love at first sight on your podcast catcher.

[00:57:42] You'll find it, uh, those blind. Season nine. Interesting season. Things are happening. We're talking about it. Come check out me, Asia Welch and Mary Kowski talking about that. Me and Asia Welch, uh, from that podcast are doing another podcast about the show made First sight. Uh, we have been talking about Ready for Sight for [00:58:00] years.

[00:58:00] We have recently started at Patreon, uh, talking about the, uh, talking about some older seasons. We're talking about Season 11, which is one of the best seasons of the show. We're wrapping that up pretty soon and coming up, uh, in just a few short days. Uh. Season 19 of Ready For Sight will premiere on its new home peacock.

[00:58:18] And we will be talking about each drop of that season on the Robs podcast. Love for Sight feed, and also over on Patreon. We'll kind of deep dive, a little more, we'll talk some past mass participants about the show as well. So come check out all that stuff, uh, over on all those podcasts I mentioned. Check it out, check Marissa out, all that stuff.

[00:58:41] Until next time. Stay good.

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