The Bike Lane

Noa Banayan joins The Bike Lane host Jake Sigal to discuss what's hot in DC regarding cycling and safer roads for everyone

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Noa Bunayan: Um, there's a lot of work
that needs to be done to be for this

bill to be implemented and implemented
in a way that really favors active

transportation, um, bike infrastructure,
and all these goals that we have to

lower emissions, increased participation
in biking, and to like, you know,

dramatically reduce road deaths.

and injuries for VRUs.

Jake Sigal: Welcome to the bike lane.

I'm your host.

Jake Sigal with us today is
Noa Bunayan people for bikes,

director of federal affairs.

Noa works on the bike industry,
federal affairs portfolio covering

everything that affects the bike
industry through federal policy.

Noa and her team work on infrastructure,
transportation, and road safety,

policy recreation, access on public
lands, trade and tariffs, and recently

incentives for bikes via tax policy.

We're going to be covering what's hot
regarding the implementation of the

bipartisan infrastructure law in the
future of our bike and e-bike policies.

Noa, welcome to the show.

So great to have you.

Noa Bunayan: Thanks for having me Jake.

Great to be here.

Jake Sigal: So before we dive
in, we have a lot to talk about.

Can you first talk to, uh, talk a little
bit about what does people for bikes?

What does, PFB a little bit,
just a little bit high level.

A lot of our listeners out there
come from auto and infrastructure.

And while most of us ride bikes and
people may not know who you are.

Noa Bunayan: Yeah, I would be happy to.

So people for bikes is both a
national trade association for

the bicycle industry in the United
States and an advocacy organization.

I'm working to make every bike
ride better across the country.

Um, we represent more than 300.

Bicycle businesses and brands across
the U S some global, um, and we

have a foundation that runs a lot
of programming, um, with youth,

with cities, with data, um, all of
that goes towards making biking by

Jake Sigal: very cool.

And I can tell you that in
my experience, it's awesome.

Having.

Well, we would like to call
pre-competitive area where we

can get all of the, the cycling
organizations all on the same page.

And, and we've just had, uh, just
a tremendous experience at tome,

working with a lot of your members
and the organization itself.

It's been great to get that level
of support, and we're really happy

to, uh, to have this conversation
and kind of hear, hear what's new.

So.

How has today's date or historically
has PFB been involved within

safety initiatives and policy.

Noa Bunayan: So we were founded.

People for bikes was founded, um, some
20 years ago with a mission to bring the

bike industry together, to advocate for
bike infrastructure and true to our core.

Since that founding we've been positioning
infrastructure safe, connected.

Protected and separated places to ride
bikes, um, as core to the goal of safety.

Um, and so we prioritize funding
and implementation of bike

infrastructure above all else.

Um, which is why right now it's
such an exciting time to be talking

about bikes and bike safety.

Um, but on top of that, there's more than
just the concrete barriers that we're

asking for to separate people on bikes.

When people in.

Um, there's research that needs to go
into vulnerable road users and where they

are and sometimes why they aren't there.

And we've been supporting that through
advocacy at the federal level for.

On research as well as programs that
dedicate funding to states who need

help building out better infrastructure
and protecting folks outside of cars

as they move through their communities.

Um, and so there's some specifics that we
can talk about in the infrastructure bill

dedicated towards that kind of funding.

Jake Sigal: Love it love it.

And there it is the vulnerable
road users of the VR.

You, uh, one of the hottest acronyms
on, on Capitol hill and in Detroit, as

a, as we're talking about smart cities
and smart streets and smart lamps.

And, um, you know, sometimes it
feels like a smart toaster, but

we're working to bring this in.

Uh, you mentioned a little bit
about that kind of separation

and it's, it's important.

I think to note that.

For cyclists and other forms of, uh, micro
mobility and even runners to some respect.

I mean, we're, we're on
the sidewalk sometimes.

Uh, we're on these paved bike paths,
sometimes we're in the bike lane.

Uh, and other times we're in the
left-hand turn lane turning left.

So you mentioned about how important that
infrastructure is and that's something

that you mentioned is a big part of
where PFB has been focusing efforts.

I I'm curious about.

Uh, as you guys think about, and
you mentioned about the priority of

infrastructure, it's more than just
folks pouring concrete now, right?

I mean, we're talking about multiple
stakeholders in this, in this ecosystem.

Yeah, absolutely.

There's the simplicity of it.

And then a concrete barrier is some of
the best technology out there to keep

riders safe, but it gets, it's obviously
more than that working at tome, you know,

that really well, that technology is one
of the tools that we can use to leverage.

Uh, making biking safer and
making it easier for everyone.

And so it's everything from the
infrastructure workers on the ground,

pouring concrete to the planners and
making sure that folks in your cities

understand, um, that they're not
building for the people who are already.

Um, but they're building for the people
who aren't there yet and not just

biking, like you said, for scooting
and other forms of micro mobility and

shared micro mobility for running for
strollers and wheelchairs and everything

else that basically lets you move, um,
and have some independence outside of

driving a car, um, is, is really the
infrastructure that we're advocating for.

And so.

You know, one of the best things about
working at people for bikes is all

the great people I get to work with in
our coalition space with advocacies.

You know, it's not just the
bike people at the table.

It's, it's all of those user groups
and advocacy groups and mobility

interests coming together, uh, for
the sake of better infrastructure.

Amen to that.

Just could not agree more on bringing
people together to the same table.

And, uh, when I first got into this space
about five years ago, it definitely felt

like there was some adversarial vibes
where it was like cars versus bikes.

And, um, and at that time, the
scooters weren't really out there.

Uh, so it was like, it it's really
progressed quite a bit where it's

like, Hey, we got to share the
road and share the infrastructure.

And.

I mean, even, even as a, uh, as a, uh,
sports cyclist myself, it's like, I, uh,

yesterday even I was riding north in a
bike lane and there was a, a young man,

uh, on an east scooter going up and, you
know, you gotta, you gotta get a little

bit of distance and share the bike lane.

So it's not just sharing the road.

It's, it's sharing the bike lane and with
the amount of traffic that we have, I

mean, in Michigan, we joke there's like
two seasons, winter and construction.

There was, uh, like all the construction
traffic got poured onto this lane.

And.

Uh, you know, I w I was really happy.

It kind of brought a smile on my face that
like I'm behind the knee scooter going,

I guess, maybe 12, 14 miles an hour.

And that was totally cool.

And like, I feel like that's
something that we're all really

open to having that conversation.

And obviously there are a lot of
challenges around accessibility and

inclusion that need to be there.

And we can't just be focusing
on technologies for the app.

But I love your comment earlier about,
you know, concrete can be one of the best,

best, uh, most, most significant options.

So I would like to kind of get your, your
thoughts before we shift over a little

bit to what's going on on Capitol hill.

The historically.

People for bikes has mostly been about
the rider, like, you know, from the

history of people for bikes, but it
sounds like now there's kind of been

more of a shift for include including
infrastructure and vehicle conversations.

Is that something that you're
seeing as a trend that's going

to continue forward post.

Noa Bunayan: I hope so.

Um, I mean, I think that's just the
way of the future is understanding

that we can't operate in a silo is the
bike industry because we're working

on public infrastructure that supports
more than just people on bikes.

Um, we, we work with, um, you
know, bike share and scooter share.

We're working more, more and more with
car companies who want to get involved

in the bike and mobility space, who
are funding some really fantastic

infrastructure work and research.

Um, and, and so I think
looking forward what the.

For policy in our space and on
Capitol hill is, is obviously funding.

That's the name of the game?

Um, always, and it will continue to be
because states need dollars to build that

infrastructure, but the coalition behind.

The support for all of that kind
of funding for transportation

alternatives program, the largest
source of fund federal funding for

bike infrastructure is really growing.

Um, and we're getting more involved,
evolves too with like electrical

electric vehicle interests and
an EBV subsidies and charging.

Um, you know, as that becomes
a policy movement to, is it.

The federal government fund Evie
charging, um, we're at the table

and that's really exciting.

One to be recognized that, uh,
electric, micro mobility like e-bikes

are, are part of that transportation
conversation in a serious way.

Um, but we're also know, you know,
the bike advocates are no longer.

I think I hope shouting just
at the car folks saying that.

It's all their fault because
it's the design, it's the system.

It's it's.

We need to work together towards a
better system and a better design.

That includes all people trying to move
and obviously give some prioritization

to folks deciding to move in a way that
makes them more vulnerable, but also helps

lower emissions, increase efficiency,
lower congestion, all of that good stuff.

Jake Sigal: Yeah, I I've, I've seen
that as well in the industry where

everyone's just looking at ways to
have more safety, get there faster.

And, and in many cases now in the
suburbs, the fastest way to get from

a, to B is, is on two wheels, not four.

And by no means, are we trying to.

Replace anything that's going on
with, with vehicles, whether they be

commercial vehicles, um, including
folks like Lyft and Uber, but a lot of

this is just around that participation.

And I think that's a perfect segue
to talk about like what's up in DC.

So everybody I'm sure everyone,
all of our listeners know about the

infrastructure bill and there's the
jillions of dollars that are going

to be spent on, um, uh, something.

So.

Uh, what, what are we, what are we,
I guess, from a PFB perspective.

What are we seeing from the bill, uh,
who are some of the great allies we've

seen for bikes and more generally VR use?

And like, what's, what's the latest,
I mean, I know that there's been quite

a bit of movement and discussion in
recent months on this, but curious

to hear like what the latest is
and what we should be asking.

Noa Bunayan: Yeah, no, that's a
great segue to focus into where

the infrastructure bill is now.

So right.

They passed a bill and all this funding
happened and it was glorious and Mary

and bike lanes were had everywhere.

It's not exactly the case.

Um, there's a lot of work that
needs to be done to be for this bill

to be implemented and implemented
in a way that really favors.

Active transportation, um, bike
infrastructure, and all these goals

that we have to lower emissions,
increased participation in biking, and

to like, you know, dramatically reduce
road deaths and injuries for VRS.

Um, so that's where there's still
so much advocacy that needs to be

done beyond just passing the bill.

So what we're looking at at people for
bikes along with many of our partners

in the local state and federal advocacy,
Um, is it is the guidance that's coming

from the department of transportation,
mainly going to states and, um, municipal

planning, organizations, MPOs and
cities and localities, um, on one, like

here's the funding and how you get it.

Here's how we recommend you use it.

And some parameters for like what gets
more access to funding or gets weighted

more heavily in that access to that
funding, whether it's formula or grant.

And so what we're specifically tracking
is guidance that recently came out

for transportation alternatives.

Like I mentioned, that's the largest
source of federal funding for

biking and walking infrastructure,
um, which got recently released.

Um, there will be guidance coming soon
on complete streets planning, um, and.

Um, the department of transportation
did recently share sort of a high-level

calendar of when to expect guidance on
certain programs that maybe if are show

notes we could link to in there for folks.

Um, and I don't have it in front
of me, but there's, you know, every

program that we were so excited to
have authorized and funded in the

infrastructure bill now has to go
through this guidance and implementation.

And that's where advocacy at the state
and local level is really critical

because now is your chance as an advocate
to weigh in on where that funding

goes, which projects get prioritized.

You know, what missing connections in your
bike infrastructure network are needed?

What safety features do your streets in
your community not have and how can they

get them through this federal funding?

Whether it's the highway safety
improvement program, TA like I

mentioned, complete streets fund.

Um, and more that we're hoping to get
funded through the appropriations process.

Like the active transportation, um,
infrastructure investment program

is another one specifically focused
on, on funding, the construction

of, um, complete bike networks,
not just a pipeline here and a bike

lane there, but how do we actually
connect folks to essential services?

That program was authorized
in the infrastructure bill.

So it was like given a bucket, it just
been in putting any money in that bucket.

So now we're looking at the
appropriations process as a way

to put money in that bucket.

Um, but so that's, that's really
where we're focused right now is the

implementation ensuring that local
advocates and planners and city

officials have the resources they need
to prioritize the right kind of project.

People for bikes, isn't necessarily
telling them which projects exactly.

But, you know, prioritizing like how
bike projects are going to help them

meet so many other goals that these
cities and communities have for, um,

emissions, reductions, equity, and
mobility, economic recovery, and all the

good things that come that we know come
when you just increase your bike network.

Jake Sigal: It's a lot.

So there's a lot there to certainly
impact and more than we have time

on, on today's show across the board,
at least for the, for the, for our

folks listening, definitely a lot
of interest in, in prioritization.

So how does PFB prioritize the efforts?

Noa Bunayan: Oh, I have to ask myself
every morning, where am I prioritizing

my time on this advocacy level?

But, um, again, everything that
has to do with getting more.

And better and protected and
connected infrastructure grant on

the ground is our highest priority.

Um, and so anything that we can do to
advance that is like mission number one.

And how do we do that?

Equitably and sustainably is, is
absolutely critical to that mission.

Jake Sigal: Yeah.

I think that there's a great point.

You made earlier about
these missing connections.

So in order to have a system and you
mentioned it's a systems approach,

there has to be the ability.

People, all VR use, including scooters
and pedestrians, not just bikes.

Do you able to get from a to B?

And it does feel like, and as a,
as a cycling commuter myself, we

have a massive freeway called 6 96.

That separates where I live in
Ferndale from our Royal Oak office.

It's three miles from my home to
the office, but I'm doing this

crazy zigzag and it's super sketchy
and there's no easy way to take a.

Uh, Woodward avenue, which for the
car, people know that's like one of the

original roads for cars and it, uh, where
the annual Woodward dream cruise happens.

And there's a green cruise as well, bikes.

Uh, but it's like, there's no
simple way in what I would say.

It's safe, but there's a lot of tension
just to get from one city to the next.

And I feel like there, like,
that's the sort of thing that's

certainly concrete can take care of.

So it's like, you kind of like, you
have to do all these at the same time.

So part of this is pouring concrete
and putting in like the right physical.

Infrastructure you can, you know,
like ride on, but then there's another

part of this, which is around the
education or the technology that enables

once that route is there to be safe.

Uh, I'm curious around, do you
feel like there's any gaps within.

DC.

And this maybe within Pete Buttigieg
at the US DOT, I don't know if this is

NITSA or federal highway, but do you
feel like there are some gaps where this

has to be balanced and every company
in the industry clearly comes at it

from their lane pun intended, but are
there some gaps across the whole, from

USDA that you're seeing that we really
need to be focusing in on to like allow

all of these different priorities?

The appropriate.

So one doesn't go too far ahead of the
other, like the proverbial cart before

the horse or the concrete before the
bike or the bike for the concrete.

Noa Bunayan: I think, um,
it's a great way to phrase it.

The biggest gaps that I would, um, I
would say exists right now at DLT are.

The focus there is so heavily on replacing
internal combustion engine cars and car

strips to electric vehicle cars and car
trips, um, which is important because

that's going to have the highest impact.

If you're looking about what causes,
um, emissions at the largest scale,

which is a little bit different from
safety, but I'll, I'll loop back to it.

Um, if you're looking at what
causes the most amount of emissions,

it's transportation in the U S.

Nearly a third of our emissions output.

Um, and the majority of that
comes from passenger vehicles.

So they're looking at, you know, what's
the largest bucket that we can affect,

which makes sense, but there's less,
um, consideration given to mode shift.

And how do we.

Leverage our infrastructure resources
to incentivize more folks, to choose

ways to move that aren't in a car.

And that's where we get into the issue
of VR use, where if we're only focusing

on what makes it easier to purchase and
ride and charge your electric vehicle,

which is important and critical to our
overall safety and climate missions.

Um, There's just not enough credence
being given right now to the ability

of walking and biking and scooting and
transit to replace a lot of those trips.

Um, and to do so sustainably without,
you know, a multi thousand pound battery,

that's still in a car that could still
do damage to a VRU unfortunately.

And so when we're looking at it
from an infrastructure perspective

where we are been pushing DEO team,
what we'd like to see more of is.

Incentivizing via funding, um, ways that
make that mode shift safer and easier

for folks to choose, because we know the
biggest barrier to getting on a bike.

And what I would assume a scooter
similar is the perception of safety.

And, um, so there's more tools
than just concrete to do that.

You know, your.

Your program and software is a great
way to promote safety and make sure

that folks feel in control of their
safety, um, when they're moving

outside of a car and alongside cars.

Um, but that focus on.

It seems to be one of the biggest
gaps that said, I do want to give

credit where credit is due at DDOT.

They have been really focused on
some kinds of paradigm shifts where

they're safe systems, approach,
national roadway, safety strategy.

Is that the title for it?

But they announced last month, I think.

Um, and it's, as we're
implementing the infrastructure.

How are we looking at everything
from a system standpoint and how are

we taking a safe systems approach?

So that the design, the funding that the
department of transportation is giving

out to states is going towards designs
that are going to support a safe system.

Um, so there's, there's understanding
there will be errors, but

the errors themselves will be
mitigated by the design itself.

Jake Sigal: Love it.

And I definitely believe that that sort
of approach is going to literally pave

the way more biking, scootering, and,
um, just more experiences where people

can, can get from, from a, to B with a
less vulnerability and less perceived

vulnerability, because as you mentioned,
and I got, I got a plus one that they

are a little bit separate and then
unfortunately there's a lot of times

where people are more vulnerable than what
they might actually think that they are.

And, um, and an area that we're
really looking into, uh, Discussion

point to talk about batteries
and charging and emissions.

Once we have all these connections
made for safe and, and perceived

safe and quick travel on two wheels.

Uh, most people aren't comfortable riding.

And you mentioned even earlier on, on the
show that most people aren't comfortable

to, these are about people riding today.

It's about people that aren't.

And, you know, I mean, like I said, my
commute is, is a little over three miles

and that seems like in range, but a lot
of people live a little farther away.

So what is the big thing
happened in the bike industry?

That's going to extend the
range of people commuting.

Noa Bunayan: I love that.

Extending the range.

Um, well, short answer, electric bicycles.

Um, they're absolutely part, you know,
a huge part of the future of bike bikes

for transportation and recreation too.

But we'll focus on transportation today.

Um, e-bikes for those
listening who don't know our.

Bicycles with an electric, a low
speed electric motor and battery.

Um, that for the most part, kick in
as you pedal or with a small throttle.

And when you get on one, that motor
was going to help you get up to

about 20 miles per hour, and then
it's all pedal power afterwards.

And some class three, we
have a class system we'll get

you up to 20 miles per hour.

Um, and so what that assists does.

I mean, there's no better way to say
it than it just changes the game.

Um, and that's what we see.

Every time someone gets on an e-bike for
the first time and realizes the utility

that it offers them in getting from point
a to B, whether that's home to school,

to work, dropping off kids at school
on the way to work, eat cargo bicycles

that have the capacity to put a couple
of kiddos in the back, um, or throw some

groceries for delivery or doing delivery.

Um, Scale for an operations.

Our delivery company is a
huge part of this sector.

Um, and I think pairing the technology,
like the hardware of the e-bikes

with the software of a safe system
of getting around is, is going to

be, um, I mean, where we've seen
it succeed, it's really succeeded.

But, um, what I also want to point out to.

There were studies even from the federal
government that show that most trips, most

car trips are actually under six miles in
the U S and you know, maybe, maybe you're

not ready to bicycle six miles and that
is fine, but an e-bike most people are

gonna, you know, if, if you're willing
to try it and you're willing to do it,

I think is the way to do it because.

I am.

I'll put it this way.

I live in Washington, DC.

I am very fortunate to have an
e-bike that I use for getting around.

I haven't owned a car in the
city ever since I moved here.

Um, and in August in DC, if you're
familiar with what the temperature and

the climate is like in August, I can
still ride that you bike to meetings

in my work close to Capitol hill.

Um, and I'm barely.

And that's.

I mean, again, if you know DC in August,
you know, that stuff kind of feet, so

that's a pretty magical tool that you
can use to get around your community.

And do so with ease without having
to worry about Hills distances,

getting home cargo, all of that stuff.

Jake Sigal: Yeah.

I feel ya, we, we don't have the Hills
and Metro Detroit, but, uh, we, we

get the heat in the summer as well.

And we've got the cold in the winter
where you gotta definitely gear

up and you don't want your, your
heavier pants getting caught in the

chain as you're just kinda crushing.

So I definitely feel like there's a.

A lot of value that e-bike
brings to be that game changer

that you're talking about.

And once that, again, like we talked
earlier about like, once we have

those connections, where there is
that pathway where people are safe and

feel safe, then, um, then the e-bike
becomes, it's like a self fulfilling

prophecy where you start to see that
that usage increase in, uh, European.

Ahead of us in the U S when it
comes to bike infrastructure

and, and e-bike usage, right?

Noa Bunayan: I mean, they they've
always been, um, but yes, definitely

with, you know, miles of bike,
infrastructure, safe, protected bike

infrastructure and e-bike sales.

But, um, you know, now there's research
showing or data, at least showing

that e-bike sales are outnumbering
electric vehicle sales in the UK.

Which was the case, you know,
that was like a headline out

of Germany a few years ago.

Um, and so the fact that we're catching
up in the sales space at least is,

um, pretty exciting because as you
know, the more people buy them,

the more they're going to use them.

Jake Sigal: Yeah, absolutely agree.

So a as we begin to kind of wrap up a
little bit, I, I'm curious about where

you see the future of policy heading,
because I gotta say like, you and I

have been on calls for years now for
starting with this, like, Hey, I'm,

I'm, I'm working on cars and bikes,
you know, we should be talking and,

and, um, uh, Jen dice was super cool
to be supportive on the early days.

And no, that's how you and I.

I ended up connecting and staying in touch
and starting involved in some, some gr

topics, uh, government relations topics.

And it definitely feels like now at
the industries are aligned on more

green paint and bipartisan safety
efforts for all of the road users.

What do you see on the horizon?

For the next few years.

I mean, do you have any, I don't want to
say like, obviously there's no crystal

ball, but do you have any predictions
for what sort of topics or things that

you're going to be seeing, even if we
don't know how the outcome is going to be?

What, what should we expect for,
let's say the next like year or two

next, you know, 12 to 24 months.

Noa Bunayan: I can certainly say what
we're working on, what we'd like to

see in the next, you know, year or two.

Um, we, I think.

People for bikes even before my time has
done a really great job at laying the

groundwork of e-bike policy specifically.

And like I mentioned before you bikes
are really going to be a huge part

of the future of bike, transportation
and policy is going to match that.

So we're at the point where now a
majority of states, I think it's 37.

Recognize the three class
definition of e-bikes that we

don't need to get into here.

But basically what it does is,
is ensure that e-bikes are not

considered motorcycles in your state.

So you don't have to license and insurance
and you can write it just like a bicycle.

Uh, so now that, that foundation's been
set, what we're seeing truly explode

this year in state legislatures,
um, is a focus on incentivizing.

E-bike purchasing, writing, procure
procurement for businesses, um,

commuting, um, and including bicycles
to not just electric bicycles.

And I think a lot of.

I have to give credit to the e-bike
act at the federal level that we were

helpful in, in bringing that to life
from Congressman Panetta and Blumenauer,

um, this was, uh, a bill to establish
a federal tax credit for electric

bicycle purchases while it's passed.

The House is part of build back better.

Obviously that's been stalled
in the Senate, but I think a lot

of state lawmakers saw that were
inspired and realized bikes.

Aren't just toys.

So much ridership happening
over the pandemic.

There, there's so many things that
go into this cocktail of good biking,

but, um, part of, you know, seeing that
at the federal level in increase in

temporary and pop-up bike infrastructure,
bringing communities together now,

state lawmakers and city officials
are realizing that by incentivizing

their communities to ride bikes more
often and to use e-bikes to do that.

They're going to meet so many other goals
that they have for their communities.

And so we've just seen so many
bills being introduced to.

Get new incentives off the
ground for purchasing, writing,

commuting, all of that.

I think we're going to see a lot
of businesses really take off with

purchasing fleets of e-bikes and
scooters and everything like that.

Um, for their operations, whether
that's delivery workers or municipal

workers or things like that.

Um, and you're going to see policy
try to catch up and support that.

Um, as we see all the benefits coming,
um, and you know, ideally infrastructure

is just a never ending policy.

We can always have more and it can
always be better when it comes to bike

infrastructure and keeping VRU safe.

So the more concrete barriers and the more
data we have to see where those people

are and where we can support them better.

That's what we're going to be fighting for
in a policy sense that People for BIkes.

Jake Sigal: Love it.

And I got to tell you that just the,
it just dawned on me that like having

more incentives for e-bikes just makes
it even that much more affordable

for people to be getting around.

And also it's probably gonna clear
up some of those parking spaces that

are so hard to find in big cities.

And we're starting to see that.

That's stress in the suburbs now,
especially as less people are

commuting into the office every day.

So, um, I could not agree with you
more on this, and this is fantastic.

Uh, Noa, I want to thank you for having,
uh, having your time on the show today.

Uh, where can, where can we
learn more about people for

bikes and some of the work?

And I will include those links in the
description you mentioned earlier,

but for more information about,
uh, what you guys are up to, where

should people go to, to check out.

Noa Bunayan: So I'll first plug our,
our Twitter account for our policy

works specifically it's at T F B policy.

Um, and, uh, you could take
a guess at who's behind it.

And it's where I share all of the
work that we're doing to advance.

Bike policy and every
level across the country.

Um, but beyond that, you know, on our
website, you can sign up for email updates

so that, you know, when it's time to take
action and, and send a letter to your

member of Congress and your senators in
support of important bills and policies.

And I should mention that the state and
local level too, not just the federal

level, um, A pretty robust action alert
program when we're, we're trying to

move things across the finish line.

Um, and then I always have to make a plug
for your local bike advocacy organization.

You know, when it, when it comes to
the issues in your backyard, they're

going to know what's happening.

Um, obviously more closely than we
will as a national organization.

Um, and we do our.

Or those calls to action when we
can so get involved in a local

advocacy organization, follow
us on Twitter at PSP policy.

Um, and of course, you know, my, my inbox
is probably a little too open, but you're

always welcome to reach out any listeners
have questions about how to get involved.

Um, and I would love to chat.

Jake Sigal: Noa Bunayan, director of
federal affairs for people for bikes.

I'm your host, Jake Sigal.

Thanks again for listening.

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In The Bike Lane.