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John:Ever wondered how you could turn your side hustle into a full time gig and spend more time together?
Vikki:Hi. I'm Vicky, a number one best selling author.
John:And I'm John, a retired Los Angeles police officer. Welcome to Dig the Well, where we help couples navigate the world of business.
Vikki:We've been married for 35 years, and because we built successful side business, John retired 9 years earlier than he originally planned from the Los Angeles Police Department after 25 years on the job. Now we spend more time together, and we want to help couples like you do the same.
John:Join us as we help you overcome common obstacles, and we show you how to make extra income without sacrificing family time.
Vikki:Ready to dig deep and build your well? Let's get started. Alright. We are excited to be on today sharing a little bit more about us, asking each other some questions about our personal background, our upbringing, just so, you know, you guys could get to know us better. And so I'm gonna shoot off the first question.
Vikki:Sound good, John? Yes.
John:We're gonna do, like, a question and answer and then
Vikki:Yeah.
John:Oh, and then lightning round. Right?
Vikki:Yeah. Yeah. We have a lightning round at the end, so make sure to stand by, stay with us for that one. Alright. John, what does owning your own business mean to you?
John:Okay, Vicky. I think I don't know. I think it means freedom. And it's not just financial freedom, but it's kind of, you know, time freedom. I think a lot of people work hard.
John:I mean, most people work hard. And, they may have the money they want, but they really don't have the time they want to be able to do the things that they would really like to do. Or it's the other way around. Right? You have a whole lot of time and not a lot of money.
John:So I think owning your own business gives you the opportunity to have both, to have time and money.
Vikki:Oh, love it. Love it. Mine's kind of the same. Yeah. The freedom the freedom of time and money.
Vikki:So we're right on the same page with that one. Yeah. Alright. Did your did your upbringing influence you in wanting to start your own business?
John:Yeah. That's kinda fun. That's that's an odd one because my dad and well, my mom didn't work until I think I was in high school was when she first started to work. So in my household, it was, it was 4 of us. I have a sister and my dad was a sole income earner and he worked for a big company.
John:So and he didn't own his own business, but he encouraged me when I was in high school to start my own business. So it was kind of weird that he wasn't an entrepreneur, but he believed in it. So, yeah, I guess my upbringing did influence me because I did start that own, my own business. And I started that in high school in my mom and dad's garage. Sounds kind of odd, but it just kinda grew from there.
Vikki:Yeah. I applaud your dad because that is so true. I think most people that aren't entrepreneurs don't even think to encourage their kids to be. So good for him. And, you know, for me, my parents my father was an entrepreneur.
Vikki:His father was an entrepreneur, so it was all about that. But, also, what's kinda we've done where it's having an additional income stream and then going off on your own. That was kinda what my dad did too. So we'll talk about that in other episodes.
John:Yeah. And your grandfather was he immigrated here.
Vikki:Yeah.
John:So he came here for the American dream. I think that was probably one of the big reasons why he wanted to come to America was to have his own business.
Vikki:Yeah. It's super, super cool. Owned a delicatessen in Brooklyn, New York. Yeah. Alright.
Vikki:So what's oh, this is a juicy one. What's a business tip you swear by or would give to a new entrepreneur? What tip?
John:I would say, just do it. Right? Just just don't don't analyze and and and get paralysis by analysis. Don't worry about whether you're gonna succeed or fail because the only way you're gonna fail is if you never even start. So I would say whatever it is you want to do, do some research, you know, don't, don't go in thinking that it's just going to be a huge success right off the bat.
John:It's going to take work, but just do it. And then when the well, that's for another time, but yeah, I would say just, just do it. Don't don't think about it too much.
Vikki:Yeah. That that goes right in line with what I've always heard you talk about is decide deciding. Make a decision and do it. Yeah. Totally goes with that.
Vikki:Yeah. And for me, my biggest tip that I swear by, honestly, is enthusiasm. It's it does make the difference. You know, I've heard that quote. Enthusiasm makes the difference.
Vikki:I had a leader tell me that once, a mentor, say never lose your enthusiasm. And, of course, at the time, I thought she was absolutely crazy. Like, why would I? I'm excited about my new business. And as the entrepreneur entrepreneur roller coaster goes, you know, it's all the up and down.
Vikki:It's just it's not straight to the top. It's tons of that peaks and valleys, and that's when I realized, oh my gosh. That's what she meant. That's absolutely what she meant. Don't lose my excitement.
Vikki:Remember how it was when I first started and that belief and my dreams and never give up. So
John:Yeah. And I think a lot of that you know, if you if you think about some of the the greatest, sports games you that you've ever seen, And it's never just a one team blowout. Those aren't the ones you remember. The ones you remember are those close spot battles, right, to where it comes right down to the last second and one team wins over the other. And especially if you're a part of that team, right, and you pull off that victory and it's in the last second, they mean more.
John:And so I think when you're going through your own business and you're going through the ups and downs, like Vic said, it's never just a straight line. It's always ups and downs, peaks and valleys that, it means more in the end when you've when you've had to weather the tough times, and I know it has for us for sure.
Vikki:Definitely. Definitely. And you're proud of yourself for sticking with it.
John:Because you've actually accomplished something. Right? Mhmm.
Vikki:Definitely. Alright. Number 4 for counting. What is your biggest business fear?
John:I think well, gosh. I think the fear of failure. Right? If you're gonna put yourself out on the line and start your own business, I think most people are afraid that what if it fails? What if it doesn't work?
John:Well, what if? Right? And and if you do have challenges, you should embrace those challenges because there's no way you're gonna succeed unless you have the challenges. It it it was like I I don't know if you follow SpaceX, but I was from the very beginning, SpaceX has been working on a a reusable rocket. That was their whole theory was reusing a rocket, where in the past with our Saturn rockets, we've always fired them up, and we've just left them in space.
John:So it'd be, something like if you were flying from Los Angeles to New York and when you reached your destination in New York, they trashed the plane. They just junk the plane. How expensive do you think your ticket would be to fly on that 747 or that or whatever the whatever plane it is on that plane from Los Angeles to New York? That that flight would be incredibly expensive if they're just gonna trash the plane at the end and junk it. If they're gonna reuse the plane, which which is what they do, the ticket price comes much becomes much cheaper.
John:And that was the whole idea with SpaceX. They're gonna reuse the rockets, and everyone said you can't do that. You can't bring that rocket back to earth and and have it land intact to be able to reuse it again. And so as they're going through the testing procedure and I was following it, I remember one time Elon Musk was interviewed on it, and they said, is it gonna is it gonna crash again this time? He said, absolutely.
John:He said, I know it's gonna crash. It won't it won't survive it. But he said, what we'll learn from this failure, which is not really a failure, but what we learned from when this not landing properly will help us the next time. And he goes, and, eventually, we'll get to the point where the rocket will land safely and we can reuse them. We're there now.
John:Yeah. But he embraced the failure. He knew it was gonna fail. He knew it wasn't gonna he told him straight up, it's gonna crash. It's gonna crash in a big ball of flames, but we're gonna learn from it.
Vikki:And that's huge because I think most people don't have that mindset, and you definitely have to have that. That's you stole my answer, by the way. Yeah. Yeah. Because I really agree with you, 100%, that fear is probably almost everybody fear or failure is probably almost everybody's biggest fear in starting a business, but that's when you learn the most.
Vikki:So you you will fail. We're just gonna tell you, you're gonna start a business. You there are gonna be times when you fail. Don't quit. Right?
Vikki:Yep. You don't stop doing do building your business. You're gonna regroup, assess, and get going again for sure.
John:Yeah. And just learn from it. Just analyze what happened and why it went the way it went, and try not to repeat any mistakes that you've made, but just embrace them. You're not perfect, and your business won't be perfect from the very get go, but it will get better, and you will succeed if you just don't quit.
Vikki:Yep. Definitely.
John:So now I get to ask the questions. I get to be boss. Okay. So the next question is, how do you handle sudden business challenges?
Vikki:That's a really good one. I really, a lot of times, take a deep breath, and a lot of times you're in an emotional state or I'm in an emotional state when a challenge happens. And I have to take a deep breath. I sometimes walk around the house or take a walk outside and clear my head and then realize that, you know what, solution get into solution mode instead of upset and frustration mode on whatever it was that happened, and I just get to work. I don't I don't dwell in it.
Vikki:I might kick the can. I might be mad, you know, if it's something that's made me mad, but then I will get right into solution mode. And that didn't happen overnight. This is definitely a skill I've had to learn over time and and probably a lot of business challenges that I've tackled, but that's my go to now. Just get it.
Vikki:Okay. It happened. What are we gonna do about it?
John:Yeah. That's great. And, you know, I guess for me, since I already expect there to be challenges, and if if everything's going really well, I'm, like, waiting for the other shoe to fall. Right? I'm waiting for some sort of challenge to pop up.
John:And one of the things I've found out or I've realized that challenges generally pop up and it doesn't need immediate action. It's rarely do you have to act on something right away, in it to make it better. So what I usually like to do is just back away, sleep on it. Right? Give it some time.
John:And then that calms me down a little bit too. So I don't react. I'm not like you were saying about being reactionary. And I look at it from different angles. And I and I really try and analyze it and try and figure out what's the best solution for whatever this challenge is.
John:And I think spending taking a few times a little bit of time, and it may even be several days, if it's not if it's not, you know, imperative that I act on it right away. And like like I said before, rarely is that ever the case. Usually, I can spit take a couple of days, really give it some thought and and, you know, make the right make the right move.
Vikki:That's good. That's good that you could take time. I I have to act on it right away, but I think I can work up to that. I can work up to giving some sleep. That's smart.
Vikki:It's really smart.
John:Yeah. And it it I I just seems that the whatever the challenge is, it it seems less if you give it some time and you really think about it. It's not as big a challenge as you really thought it was. And then again, you learn from it and just move on. Alright.
John:Next question. What's been the most rewarding part of building a business together? So this is more like a couple's question.
Vikki:Right? And that's like for the woman, that's like the, ah. It's definitely brought us closer. We've also had some not physical fights, obviously, but some verbal frustrations with each other at times. But once we've worked past that or worked through it, not past it, and come to a really great resolution, I've felt so much more fulfilled.
Vikki:Yeah. Just it's brought us closer for sure.
John:Oh, absolutely. I think if I think for for most couples, they're working their their separate careers, and they're kinda working in in on in different paths, if you will. They're working in in kinda different worlds. And it's rare that that couples get to work together, you know, on a common on a common goal, on a common project. And, it absolutely has brought us closer together.
John:I think, like you said, at first, it was a challenge for sure. But we and like we're saying, you know, challenges help you grow. They help you be better. And it certainly has helped us because us having to figure out how to work past those early challenges, And I mean, they were and you look back on them now and you think, gosh, that was silly. Why did why did we argue about that?
John:That didn't make any sense. But it helped us to grow and helped us to find solutions together, and find common ground. And it's helped us in every aspect of our lives.
Vikki:Yeah. And, you know, it's funny now that we're talking through this, it it made me think about how many times as a police wife and you were a police officer, how many people told me, oh, I could never be a police policeman's wife. I heard that so many times. And I'm like, really? Well, I am.
Vikki:So so I'm gonna figure it out along the way, and it it reminds me that that's what I love about having our own business together because there were so many alone times where you weren't with me. John had his buddies at work, and I didn't. And so this is has been such a cool thing as a couple to come together too
John:on
Vikki:top of that. So Yeah. Yeah.
John:Yeah. For sure. And then the other thing too is since we're we work on our own business together, we share everything about that business and every aspect of it. We're we're working on that together. And when you were a teacher and I was, going to work as a policeman, I didn't share everything with Vic.
John:I wouldn't want to. I didn't share everything with our kids. You know, I shared some of the fun stuff and some of the fun stories, but not everything. And I'm sure there was a lot that you didn't bother sharing with me about your
Vikki:I don't know. You know us women.
John:Maybe she did.
Vikki:I like to I did tell you everything bore you to death. Yeah.
John:That's why I fell asleep right away.
Vikki:That's funny.
John:But in the end, if you have your own business, if you're working your own business together, it brings you really together because you're sharing everything.
Vikki:Yeah. Really cool.
John:Okay. Next one. Right? Yeah. Okay.
John:How do you balance your personal and professional relationship?
Vikki:You know, we I know for me, I have the the family calendar. I think it helps being a mom too because we have that foundation where we have a family calendar, and everything goes on the the birthdays first, birthday parties, events for school, go on the calendar first. Like, we're the type of parents that didn't miss anything. Practices. We were the parents that went to pretty much all the practices too.
Vikki:And so and then business would go in there next and then our personal stuff. But I will say if there was a business conference that we needed to be at somewhere that was really important for our business, the kids understood that, okay, mom and dad are gonna have to miss this or this, but guess what? We're here at everything else. So they were on board with that, but that's, calendar management is the biggie. And now we used to have a calendar in the fridge in the fridge by the fridge in the kitchen.
Vikki:We still do, but I also now have a digital calendar that and and I'm trying to get John and I to share our Google calendars to make it easier. So we'll keep you posted on how that goes.
John:Yeah. And, yeah, I think too the the balancing the personal and professional, sometimes, joining them, helps. Because like you were saying, earlier about the kids, letting him know that there are certain events that Vicky and I had to go to, but we're there for everything else that the kids do. But sometimes on some of those events, we can include the kids. And then since we work our business from home, there's oftentimes we're doing something and we just kinda when the kids were small, of course, we would we would, task them with helping us with the business so that our personal life then became kind of, kind of intertwined with our with our business life, and the kids were a part of that.
John:And they realized that, and they really see, I guess they see that that you and I are working and working hard toward a common goal, and it's for the benefit of the entire family. And I think that got them on board too. So I think sometimes we don't wanna separate it.
Vikki:Right. It worked
John:out well that we kinda merge them together.
Vikki:Definitely. Yeah.
John:Okay. Then who has influenced your business mindset most?
Vikki:Gosh. You know, I would have to say I've read a ton of books, listened to a lot of YouTube, podcasts, but Jim Rohn, and it's spelled jimr0hn. Why am I, like, drawing a blank? Because I am or anyway, Jim Rohn, he is phenomenal on his mindset, and I could listen to him all day every day and not get tired of it. So, you know, honestly, it goes back to him, but I've I could I could give you a list of a hundred personal development books that have also touched me.
Vikki:But when it comes to, like, if I have a tough day and I need to be fired up about something, well, one, I might put on music and dance, but I'll listen to a Jim Rohn podcast or YouTube video.
John:Yeah. Yeah. You know, I I agree though. I can't really put my finger on one. It's because between the 2 of us, I mean, we've read so many books and we've listened to so many so many audibles and and, watch podcasts and whatnot.
John:So there's so many so many people that have but I think the classics. Right? The Dale Carnegies, like you said, the Jim Rohns, the John c Maxwells. They have had the, probably, the biggest influence on me. Yeah.
John:For sure.
Vikki:Pretty cool.
John:Yeah. And there's some that there's a number of them that I've read over and over and over again. And it's really weird, even if I've read them 10 times. The 11th time, I pick up something new that I didn't get in any of the first ten times I read it. And I'm thinking, why did that happen?
John:But it's just things you'll pick up. So even if you've read something, you've got a favorite that you've read and it's really impacted you, read it again. And you'll find that there'll be more little little, nuggets you'll pick up out of that.
Vikki:Isn't that called, like, learn knowledge, activity knowledge? Yeah. Because you're you go do something in your business and you're now in a different place. Yeah. And go back and it's learn knowledge again.
Vikki:Yeah. Pretty cool.
John:Okay. Let's see here. What's one piece of advice you'd give to someone starting a business with their spouse or partner?
Vikki:Oh, that's a really good one.
John:With the sharp knives and obtuse.
Vikki:And, you know, we knew we had these questions, but we I really didn't think them over. I wanted to, like, have it come off naturally for you. So it would be I honestly think after all these years, it would be that you need to find something that helps people, a business that, number 1, helps people, one that is consumable. People are gonna use it and need more of it and keep buying from you. I mean, that's a smart business for you.
Vikki:Right? You've got that repeat book of business every month and and ultimately change people's lives, give solutions for whatever ails them. I mean, honestly, that's that's what I that's for me. What about you?
John:Oh, I would just say, I guess it's it's going to be tough on your relationship at first, you know, just being so close together working on something like this. But don't don't ever take anything personally. Like, there are times that you and I have had different differences of opinion on on many things with with our we've had more than one business, so on our different businesses. And then later, like, when I've thought about it, I thought, you know what? Actually, you're right.
John:Or at least you brought up really good points. So I would say always respect your spouse or partner and, never make it a personal thing. And, yeah, I think that's that's pretty much it. It's it's gonna be different. That's for sure Yeah.
John:At first.
Vikki:And now I just wanna compliment my husband. He's such a good guy. You didn't correct me. I didn't answer that question that he asked me. I had it in my head.
Vikki:What advice would I give to someone starting a business, not starting a business? Mulligan? I yeah. I need a mulligan on that one. That is
John:do over it. That's how you're reading the paperwork.
Vikki:Yeah. The I don't know what happened, but starting a business with a spouse. So the mulligan would be that, I like exactly what you just said. And, also, I would just throw in giving each other grace. Give yourself grace for when maybe you're working the business together.
Vikki:You say something wrong. You do something wrong. Take ownership of it, but, you know, don't beat yourself up over it. So give yourself grace and same for your husband. Give your or spouse.
Vikki:Give your spouse, grace for if they made a mistake, and they're just human too. We're all just trying to do the right thing. So the more we give each other grace, the better we'll get along working together.
John:Yeah. Okay. And then how do you define success in both business and life?
Vikki:Gosh. Are you probably the old me, the 20 year old Vicky would say money. Like, the more money I make, the more successful I am. And a lot of ways that is still true. Right?
Vikki:Money doesn't buy you happiness. It's what you do with it, that creates that happiness. So I really now after how many years in business what is it? 40 years did we figure out? 40 plus years in business?
Vikki:I know. We don't look like it, do we? I say that on every episode. But so shoot. I lost my train of thought.
Vikki:I'm laughing at myself so much. How do you define business in oh, sorry. Is how many p so how I define business, success in business now is that it's the amount of people we help along the way. How many people we could help to be successful in whatever it is they're doing, whatever business they have, that to me is the ultimate success. Because at the end of the day, you know, when we're gone, you know, what difference did we make?
Vikki:What, mark did we leave on this world? And I know I hope it's an impactful, powerful one that helped a lot of people.
John:Yeah. That's really good because that's kind of what I was kinda along the lines what I was thinking. So now you stole my answer that, most people define success in in terms of money. Right? How much money do they make and that that that's who they are and what they do.
John:And that's really not it. Certainly, we need to make money, obviously. Right? We need to put food on the table. We need to have shelter for our families and all that costs money.
John:But certainly, there comes a time when, money is just it's just money. And it's what what you've done with it and how many people you've helped. And I agree a 100% with you that we I know we both get so much satisfaction out of helping someone else to be successful in their business that they work from home. And we've done that with so many people. And whether their goals are to just bring maybe bring mom home so she doesn't have to work and she can be home to raise her kids, or maybe free up dad from having to work, extra overtime.
John:Or maybe the other way around. Maybe dad wants to be home with the kids and mom is out there working overtime. It doesn't matter. 1 of them, at least get one of them home in to stay home to take care of the kids. That's huge.
John:I think that's a key to raising really good kids is having more parental, influence instead of sending them off to daycare. And if that's what you do, I'm not saying that that's wrong, by no means. I'm not I'm not saying that at all. But I think most kids are better off when they have mom or dad or mom and dad at home, to be there with them. And then, overtime is bad.
John:I'm sorry. I don't I don't like overtime. I think it's, it's just it's just trading hours for dollars. And then when you've already worked a full time job, and then you're working more overtime on top of that, you're even trading more of your precious time and you don't have any time freedom. And so if we can help families get away from getting stuck in that overtime rut, and, I think that's that's a huge, huge
Vikki:That's big for you because you did it. You did work overtime. So you speak from experience that that's why you're not for it. Yeah.
John:Yeah. And it seems great because you get your paycheck and and it's like, the for when you're working overtime, at least for me, it was time and a half. So it was like, wow. I'm getting a few more dollars for the hours I'm working. But then when you look at the how many hours that I was actually trading for that paycheck, and then the worst part of it is I had to do that again the next week, and I had to do it again the next week.
John:Otherwise, it's almost like taking a pay cut. And it's kind of like that hamster on that on that that wheel. It just it just you never catch up. You never get off that thing.
Vikki:Yep. Alright. So we're on to the lightning? Round.
John:Yeah. You wanna start it?
Vikki:Yeah. Am I doing the first five? You're doing the second five, or do I Sure. Well okay. This is fun.
Vikki:We you're getting authentic, Vicky and John, right now. Alright. Ready. Yeah. I'll do like, I ask you and then you ask me.
Vikki:Anyway, coffee or
John:tea? Coffee. Early Well, you got an answer too.
Vikki:Coffee for me too.
John:And then I drank a lot of tea when I was a kid. I'm half Japanese. So, mom, if you're watching, which you better be, and you better be liking and subscribing. But, sorry, I still like coffee better.
Vikki:Oh, that's funny. Okay. But the point is just to go fast. I know. Right?
Vikki:Okay. So here we go. Early bird or night owl?
John:Night owl.
Vikki:Early bird. Favorite business book or podcast?
John:How to friend win friends and influence people.
Vikki:Same. He stole my Uh-huh. My answer. Oh, I'm gonna say it again because it's worth writing down and getting how to win friends and influence people. What's your guilty pleasure?
John:I'm gonna steal this one from you too. Cigars.
Vikki:Ice cream.
John:You don't smoke cigars.
Vikki:No. I don't. Ice cream. Dream vacation destination.
John:Oh, it's a tough one. We've been in some really nice places. I would have to say the Seychelles.
Vikki:Oh, Malta for me. Malta. At least right now, it could change. Right? We Yeah.
John:It does.
Vikki:Ask us next week. Favorite movie or TV show to unwind?
John:I'm supposed to be asking the
Vikki:next one.
John:So favorite t favorite movie or TV show to unwind?
Vikki:Movie is Sound of Music, and TV show to unwind is Dateline to unwind. I know it's crazy.
John:Oh, boy. I I don't watch movies or TV to unwind.
Vikki:Yeah. You don't. Idea. What do you do then to unwind?
John:I usually smoke a cigar and then have a nice cocktail of some sort. Bourbon.
Vikki:Yeah. Love it. Okay.
John:Okay. What's one thing you can you can't live without besides your phone?
Vikki:My hubby.
John:Okay. What's, 2 things you can't live without besides your phone?
Vikki:Oh, what would it be? Probably makeup. Well, anyway, that's my answer for now. K. What about you?
John:It would be you. Oh. Because, actually, yeah, it would be you. And then the other thing would probably probably be, gosh. That's tough.
John:There's a lot of things I wouldn't wanna do without. Cigar.
Vikki:Yeah.
John:I just have to say that again. Okay. If you weren't an entrepreneur, what would you be doing?
Vikki:Holy cow. That's not a lightning round question. Looking for a side business, looking for a hustle if I wasn't 1.
John:See, but that means you were 1. You have that mindset. What if you didn't have enough? Well, I guess
Vikki:But I would listen to podcasts like this that opened my eyes to having an additional income stream.
John:Yeah. If I were not, what would I be doing? I would still be at work. I would be driving to the city of Los Angeles every day and just hating it. Because I see some of the guys that have that are still there that I've used that I used to work with.
John:And, they're not happy. So anyways
Vikki:And that's sad because you used to love it. That's sad.
John:It's not the same job anymore, though. Okay. So what's your this is funny. What's your go to karaoke song?
Vikki:Oh my gosh. Sweet Caroline.
John:Oh, yeah. That's a good one. So, we just did this, last weekend. And the problem is if I'm gonna sing karaoke, I don't remember what happened. So I don't have a go to.
John:So I don't remember what the go to song is.
Vikki:Yeah. We were at Oktoberfest up in Big Bear, if any of you are from California. And, yeah, we did karaoke back at the cabin.
John:Yeah. And then the last one here is, what's one word that describes you?
Vikki:Loyal.
John:Yeah. That is that is a good one for you. I'd say maybe, like, tenacious.
Vikki:Mhmm. That's a good one for you too.
John:Yeah. Alright.
Vikki:Alright. Thanks for joining us. We hope you join the next one. We'll see you next time. Yeah.
John:Thanks, guys.
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