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(Liz) Hello, and welcome back to Houselights. Your one stop shop for everything you need to hear about this week in the world of entertainment. My name is Liz nos, and we are back for another semester of Houselights. Yay. And we are back with a camera. So everyone's gonna be able to see me and my guests beautiful face all the time. And by the way, it's it's just me, your founding father back for Houselights this semester, and I already broke microphone before we started. So that's how it's going. But yeah, I want to introduce my first guest of 2024 Miss Gabby URI. We're so happy to have you here.
(Gabrielle) I'm so happy to be here.
(Liz) So tell me what you do at the same news this Gabby?
(Gabrielle) I'm a regional reporter with the state news on the regional desk. So I do a lot of human interest stories.
(Liz) I do a lot of articles. So you are with your old boss. Do you did you like your job when you had your old boss? Oh, no. Your old boss being me?
(Gabrielle) Yeah, it was. It was a job. You know? It paid the bills. No, I love it
(Liz) Well, for the first episode of 2024 I wanted to get into all things Girly Pop. And I was like, who's the most Girly Pop girly that I know who's wearing a beautiful outfit. By the way. I just wanted to say that because she's just so cool. She dressed up for the first leg video, I had to dress up Houselights And I'm like, honestly, I forgot that we have cameras and and like you can tell like it's me. It's fine, whatever. But I want to talk about all things Girly Pop, but I couldn't like let it just be like just a normal, Girly Pop. You know, episode, you know, I want to talk about the nitty gritty of being a girl. You know, I want to talk about two things. Female range and girl code. Oh doesn't love that. So I want to talk about how female rage is kind of a new genre. I feel like, don't you think so? I feel like it's like sort of just like popping up on the scene like the term female rage.
(Gabrielle) Yeah, I feel like I've only seen the term recently. And I see it in this is very specific. A lot of like little tick tock edits. Yes. Like quick little clips where it's like, oh, female rage and then it's like that screaming audio in the background.
(Liz) Oh, yeah. And it's like, it's like parole and then like there's the thing from like, bottoms. Like somebody beat someone up and it's like, it's just a bunch of clips. Maybe like Canada's overdoing was catching fire. Yeah. When she's like, Okay, so we're all the same tic tock. Yeah, yeah. So we are seeing the same tic TOCs. But you know, that's, that's the female experience. That's the girl collective. That's it. That's it. And so I just feel like I want to talk about it because I feel a lot of female rage all the time. Where do you think it originates from kami? Um, okay. Okay. Let me get into this. Um, I feel like going back to our ancestors. I feel like a lot of it is men obviously, yeah, obviously, man.
(Gabrielle) Yeah, I think it's really crazy. But it might be man.
(Liz) Well, like on like, on my notes I just wrote down. Why does male Ridge just not hit by male rages just different? Like I feel like I'm super cool. Like, I'm super cool, because I started boxing this. That was like one of my New Year's resolutions. Yeah. Was to start like going to the gym and specifically like boxing instead. Because I'm like, I'm not a gym girly. I don't like to like run. I don't like going on runs. I don't like cardio. I like dance workouts. I'll say that like Yeah, it's fun. Like my little Madison. 15 minute one direction. Like That'll do for me. Yeah. And like, my mom was a Zumba teacher. So like, I feel like that makes sense. Okay, yeah. Christine, all I presume
(Gabrielle) All I dug into was the Zumba on the week.
(Liz and Gabrielle) Talking about we fitness you let's talk about that. A little board that Oh, board, like gaslit is much insecurity. Yeah, it was literally, like we fit your age 66. And you were like, and like you should probably like go to the hospital for cardiac arrest. Yeah, that's what they were saying. When I say like a Virtual Tennis ball.
(Gabrielle) I would hit the slopes on the little like ski one. And I wouldn't be able to do it and then they would be like, you suck. You need to go to the hospital. You need to quit. You're out. But
(Liz) Yeah, so I know. That's how I feel every time I go In the gym, so I was like, I'm gonna start doing something that will not one like, you know, get me, you know, get get a sweat rolling, but also like get my like, like, anger out. Yeah. And that's like what I was doing was like boxing, because it's so fun. It actually is so vital. I feel that I keep like looking into the camera. Like, I feel like now there's like this new audience. And I'm like, okay, and then but um, yeah, so I really enjoy boxing. Um, but it's it's been super fun, but I feel like with like, men box. Like it's not giving
(Gabrielle) Men boxing. It's so like, aggressive.
(Liz) And that's why I haven't been that many times to IMS. Yeah. Because I'm like, scared of like, a really like angry dude. Like going out the boxing thing. Yeah, I'm just standing there. Waiting for him to read. Yeah, I would. That makes me nervous.
(Gabrielle) I just don't like going to like any of the items on campus because I feel like it's always like, like, whatever I do, whether it's cardio whether it's any sort of machine or free weights, I feel like I'm being judged by a man. Yeah. Because like I'm on the side of tick tock where it's like the workout girlies and then the guys in the comments are like, wrong form loser.
(Liz) That makes me sick to my stomach. No, that's terrifying. So
(Gabrielle) I just can't like I'm so afraid of how a man is gonna perceive my workout.
(Liz) Oh, yeah, absolutely. And it's like, and I have had like, guys, like, stand behind me and like, turn my shoulder be like, show you like going to be done. On this machine. I'm like, I won't be done when I play. Exactly. Actually, I'm gonna be done when I please. Um, but yeah, and this that was so that was female rage. This is just gonna be us getting in a little tangents about like, like, different ways. Yeah, exactly. But I just feel like, yeah, why do we? Why do you think it's so easy to resonate? With like watching like another girly get angry?
(Gabrielle) Because I feel like like, okay, in comparison to men, when men get angry. It's so like, individualized. Like, I feel like it's like if they get mad at their wives. The other guy's just like, Yeah, okay, get mad at your wife. Like, we're girls were like, Oh my God. Yeah, I feel the same thing. Like my boyfriend is annoying, or this guy's annoying to me, like that sort of thing.
(Liz) And me and Miss Claire Donahoe, you know, the beautiful copy editor that we haven't seen us. We were having this, we were in the same sex, gender and sexuality class, which is really cool of us. If we were, we were driving home, and we were like, having a conversation because we felt like, our sexuality and sexuality class wasn't like, I don't know, we kind of feel like it's a like a 2008 version, a section on sexuality class, where it's like, oh, like women empowerment. And I like women shouldn't wear that much makeup. Yes, it's like not and it's like, well, sometimes, like, I just won't pretty sort of thing. It's like, it's almost like so far that it's like, you're missing the point. I don't know. And so we were having the conversation. We were having our own section and sexuality in the car afterwards. And we were like, I feel like women, it's easy, because I told her the ideas that I have for the podcast. And she's like, women, it's just easier to resonate with female rage because we go to community for it. Because we like to, we like to gossip and stuff. Like women have this inherent sense of community because like, we weren't able to have that, like our ancestors, our ancestors were able to have that. So now we've like, you know, like, striven. That's not a word. We have stroke. We strive. We strive for a just like for community. I feel like men don't have that community. I feel like it's harder, at least for men to have that community.
(Gabrielle) Do you think it was like good or bad for us to have that community?
(Liz) I think it's great. Because like, that's what my that's what Claire was saying. She was like, um, like, it's just hard for it. I think we weren't saying that it might be harder for men to like, open up about their emotions and like, while women are sometimes seen as more like dramatic Yeah, it's because we have the girly pops to reach out to and like to and be angry too. And like sometimes I don't feel like men have that same like sense of community to be able to let those motions out. I feel bad. Yeah, like the patriarchy screwed them over to Yeah, but like, it's hard to feel bad for.It's like they don't they're not able to like gossip and vent and like have that female rage experience. Yeah, cuz I'm thinking about so on my thing, because obviously this is entertainment podcast, right? Like, sometimes I just forget that. Sometimes I just start talking and I Like, this is just me talking now this is this is my podcast. But I wrote down like some movies of like female rage. And the one scene I was thinking of was like in mid summer when she's crying on dour and all the other girls like come around and start crying with her. And like, yeah, it's like scary. It's like a horror movie. Felt like, like
(Gabrielle) I want to be heaving with you as we're solving together.
(Liz) I feel like I've had that experience with my roommates. Not to that extent, like we're wearing like, all white like, ritualistic like dresses like from Sweden. Yeah. But like, I've come home and just be like, well blue. And then you just start crying and you're like, oh, and then starts hugging you. And then we put on like, Mitski. And then we grab ice cream. And then we want to prove that I'm sorry. I'm actually reliving the exact thing that happened like three weeks ago. So that's, that's what I'm picturing. I was like, This sounds oddly specific, because it happened. So no,
(Gabrielle) I get that. So my roommates and I aren't super close. But there was one time I was so upset with my classes. And I just came into the dorm. I slammed that door shut and I was like, racking my body with sobs and my phone was dead. So I couldn't text my mom, which I go to. And then my roommate just walks out of the bathroom. And she's like, it's all right. And she gives me a hug. And I was like, Oh my gosh, it's so sweet. I feel like it's just such like, even if you just get along, it's just like a thing every minute.
(Liz) Yeah no, like my freshman year, like, my freshman year roommate, like, we were not super close by the end of the year. But like, if we had to vent you just vent. Yeah, you know, like, because you're like, you're in that room with somebody? Yeah. 24/7. And like, if you guys don't talk, you're gonna go crazy. Okay. So, you know, he said that the microphone broke at the start of the episode. Broke. I thought I fixed it. And I didn't say anyways, we're just gonna keep moving on. And like, you see, I could be like super mad about this. And it would be like a community. Like really mad about this, but I'd be like, oh, like, understood. Yeah, I'll just getting mad with you. Exactly. But we're reeling it in. Um, I just thought I'd just go the extra mile. Well, here's the thing I was I made a New Year's resolution, but a new podcast here, resolution that I wasn't going to manhandle the mic as much and be recorded, and I'm insecure about how I look I camera up. I'm like, grabbing a microphone and but like now like, it's sort of been ruined, because
(Gabrielle) I think this just perfectly describes female rage, the grip that you have on?
(Liz) Zoom in on this. That's my email rage. It's no and it will. It's because like, it all happens. Me, me and my friend from high school, we just always would, we would look at each other. And we coined this phrase of like, it just all happens. Who's all? What's it? I don't know, when it happens. But you get what I'm saying? Yeah, when you're a girl, it just all happens. Yeah. And you have to put up with it. Like this microphone. In the middle of recording, you know, that's just part of it. And all and it happening. It all happens as you can tell me your recording Houselights at a later time. And so I started but you know, we're gonna get through it. We're gonna do great. Anyways, um, any other more thesis ideas on female rage that you had to share before and getting some of the movies that I love so much, sir. Female rage? I also have music to wait, wait, I want to talk about your thing first. Oh, your English class. Okay, I feel like that exemplifies Yeah, we'll see what you're reading first.
(Gabrielle) Okay, this will give it it's a bell jar. So we're already off to a great start here. And it's like, it's a required course for English majors. And so it's like maybe 30 kids in the class. And like, I'd say like, 25 of them are, like girls are female presenting. And then like, maybe four or five are guys. And I swear every time like, we have like 1015 minute discussions on the chapters that we read in every single time. It's like, Okay, who wants to go next? And the teachers are female and she'll be like, okay, like, what do you guys think about this? And then suddenly, the all of the men will shoot their hands up and they're like, Hey, let me speak and then when they speak, it's like, some of them have very great thoughts. And I'm like, good job.
(Gabrielle and Liz) I'm very proud of you. Jack Williams. Yeah, juggling was great and box
(Gabrielle) but he's got fantastic thoughts but then the other guys are just like though, like I pointed out one time in the book, Esther Greenwood, the main character talks about how hot baths cure everything. Like if she's ever upset, she just goes and takes a hot bath, and she feels better. And some guys are like, no, that's just not realistic. Like, no girl feels like that. And I'm like, what? Who were you to tell a girl she feels about hot baths have always been
(Liz) Such a basic thing and be like, it's just not realistic. Dog. Like, yeah, but for you to say that I'm just a girl. And I wouldn't have talked about this term too. Because I was walking home from a section on sexuality class earlier, I was like, the term, I'm just a girl. How do they feel about that? Like, do we feel like it is reductions because like, there's some people that are like, I'm just a girl, like, of course, I'm gonna get a little treat. And like, I do feel that, but then there's other people that I've seen on tick tock recently being like, Oh, it's just like, it's just a way to, you know, support consumerism, without, you know, consequences because you're just a girl and it's reductionist to a female experience, but like, I don't know, what do you think?
(Gabrielle) I feel like it's like, okay, well, that's a tricky one, right? Because I never even thought about it from that other perspective, like the customers perspective. I feel like it's in my mind when I hear I'm just the girl because I say that term all the time we resonate with Exactly, yeah, like, for me, it's just like, I feel so often that in our lives, we overcomplicate symbols, like, especially with women, there's obviously like, a lot of issues with eating and like, there's so many, like, dietary, like restrictions that we see pushed onto us and stuff. So when it's like, oh, I just need a simple little treat. Like I'm just, I'm happy that girls are feeling that it's okay, to go and get a treat.
(Liz) Well, what I like about I'm just a girl, as you know, there was a I'm sorry. I didn't. Suddenly, I wasn't gonna decrease something afterwards, I wasn't. Um, I feel like with I'm just a girl. It's nice, because I feel like we grew up in a time where it was like, I'm not like other girls. And I feel like we were all like, we were all pretty victim to that. Like, like, oh, I have to be different from the people. But like, I feel like when we reclaim like, Oh, I'm just girl, like, with every other girl. Like, I'm experiencing the same thing when we are all connected through this, you know, experience of being really powerful. And that's what I like about it
(Gabrielle) Yeah, like, I feel like lately, like, in the past few years, it's been like, like, even going back to 2020 I think it was when it was like this go girl versus indie girl. And it's all like, oh, like, I'm not like that. Like, I'm so much I feel like lately, with I'm just a girl. We've been seeing like a lot more like, I feel like it's just now becoming a true girlhood. Yeah, like everyone's like, Oh, I'm fine. Like, you know, wearing like that clean girl aesthetic or that kind of thing. Like, I see. Like, there isn't as much controversy with how you were dressing or making yourself
(Liz) And even if you are categorizing yourself into a certain sub genre person, like any girl, young girl, so I think clean girl Sunak has its own issues like yeah, like, like the consumerism. Part of it, but, um, I feel like now, like, yeah, like, all the sub genres are supporting each other. Yeah, like, even if there's a sub genre. Like, I feel like there's more like, yes, support. The things that I see, I don't, I'm not super connected to some of the sub genres that might not be and yeah. And not to be like, Oh, I'm just super kind. Well, normally, I'm not super close to like, sub genres, they might be a little bit more, you know? Yeah, pushing, you know, really coming. We're just, we're just girls are all perspective.
(Gabrielle) We're just girls at the end of the day, like,
(Liz) I know, I thought that, uh, ya know, I kind of want to get your opinion on what you thought about the negative side of I'm just, you know, I'm just a girl. I think they have a valid point.
(Gabrielle) I think they have it. I never even thought of it before, but I can understand where they're getting at. Especially when it comes to like, when you move past like, originally, I feel like it started with treats like, Oh, I'm just gonna get myself a fun, silly little treat. But now I can see like, people are like, Oh, I'm just this girl. I spent $500 at Ulta the other day and I'm like, oh, okay, we're different girls here. I can see.
(Liz) Yeah, because a lot of it's like we're getting a little tree of course, I'm just a girl. I'm gonna go thrifting I'm just a girl. I'm gonna do and it's like, oh, no, I get what I get it and it and I think at some point if we do call ourselves just to girl and then like, put ourselves on this like one box of like, what it looks like to be a girl sometimes. Like maybe men feel okay, like going back and stereotyping like, oh, just silly, silly little treat girls. Yeah. And so I understand where they're coming from? I guess I'm more pro. I'm just a girl because I think more funny things come from it. I think more community comes from it. But I also feel like I don't know.
(Gabrielle and Liz) I can understand the perspective but I feel like there's going to always see a negative to something. Yeah, we're so philosophical. We're so I felt. Oh, wait, did you finish your story about your English class did? I don't know but I think maybe we'll say we did. We'll see. We they can they can figure out the rest. No, connect the dots. Class is fine. But yeah, mentioned about the belt arc. Now we've concluded except for Jack Williams, except for Jack Williams can speak on the Belgian Requiem shoutout
(Liz) But okay, I wanted to talk about female range movies before we move on to girlcode. Um, mid summer, I said that I love that movie. I feel like it's so good. I'm really like hereditary too. I feel like that's a different kind of female range. It's the same, um, it's the same director like the a 24 or whatever. Yeah, like it's Ari Astor. And like, Tony cola as a really good scene where she just like, yells about being a mom. Okay, so good. Bye. And then pearl. Have you seen that?
(Gabrielle) I've seen okay, you know how on tick tock, they have the one tick tock accounts that have the clip.
(Liz) You like my roommate, my best friend, my roommate. She's so funny. She'll be like, Yeah, I've seen that movie. And then I'll be like, oh, yeah, this was just like, wow, I saw the clips on Instagram real
(Gabrielle) No, I just watch everything through the clips. Now at this point, that's felon. So I've seen quite a bit of it, but I'm not sure if seeing all of
(Liz) t's just so good. I just like I love I love so I love an actress that can like Yo, man like she just and I feel like me golf wasn't in very much before this other than x, which is the other one. Yeah. And I liked X but pearl. Yes. goes crazy. It's like, I feel like I'm stuck on a farm right now. Yeah. Like I'm a star. I'm sorry. Now. I know. The cameras. I can't get my little acting performances anymore without looking a little dumb, but it's alright. It's gonna take an adjustment period. It's fine. But I'm Gone Girl.
(Gabrielle) Okay, explain to me what I've never seen it
(Liz) Oh my gosh, girl and girl is so good. Okay, so first. I don't want to give out. If you haven't seen the movie yet. You should just go on the movie because I'm not gonna put a spoiler alert. Like it's like from 2014 Like, let's get it done. And I mean that disrespectfully, Gabby. Oh. Oh. I actually saw it last night could be this could be like your next class and female. But Gone Girl isn't. I hate saying this right ever say like female radiology. It's an Aaron Sorkin Sorkin piece. I'm on it's Ben Affleck and Rosamund Pike.
(Gabrielle) Wait, is this the one where the um, the like wife disappears or something?
(Liz) so she disappeared. Sport today? Spoiler alert. Yes, spoiler alert. She frames him because he cheated on her. And like for murder, and she was like, going to like, she was like, I'm gonna put you behind bars and like, I'm gonna just go off the face of yours because you cheated on me with like a college aged person. And like, you know what? me freaking too. I would also do that won't get one time. This is really crazy. Okay, you're gonna, you're gonna learn a lot about me and my mom. So my mom's like, favorite one of my favorite movies. It's all my top five was and I've made her a big fan of it. Because obviously, apple tree both crazy. Um, I was sitting there with my ex boyfriend. Well, not at this time. who we were. We were sitting on the couch my ex wife when we were watching this movie, which is already a strange situation that you know, my mom is watching gone with me and my boyfriend. But it was fun. And she just looks over at him. And she goes, isn't it crazy that Liz is this smart to pull this off? And then turns back to the TV? And then doesn't say anything else? And he was just like, why
(Gabrielle) can I can I say I love your mom.
(Liz) I know. Like how cool is that? She literally just gave a warning in the middle of nowhere and then just goes like, Oh, if you ever heard her, by the way. And I was just like, Mom, you then like and we've been dating for a while. So it's not like it wasn't like a scare off sort of situation. But I imagine him shaking his head isn't it crazy that she could totally do that. Back to the movie,
(Gabrielle) he thought process and had to bring her there's phenomenal
(Liz) I know like she's like sitting on the couch like I know what to say to her something that can never be on. But yeah, you would love this movie. Okay? It's so crazy. Emily Rakowski is and it talks about female rage she slaves. Okay, um, because she had been holding like Robin Thicke. She was in Oh, yeah. And she like, stood up for herself. She was awesome. Um, but yeah, Rosamund Pike is like the coolest hottest ever. Ben Affleck. I love him. But like, but like, he's kind of like a bit of an a hole. Okay, I just remembered where I was on the podcast from I can't curse. Um, but But yeah, he's, he's the worst and you like, want to hate him so bad. So I recommend. I didn't know that you hadn't watched it? I hadn't. But I just assumed that every crazy girl had gotten her paws all over.
(Gabrielle) I'm gonna get my paws on it tonight. Like a learning experience. And talk to me afterwards. I will. I'm getting learning female rage from you.
(Liz) Ah, that's sweet. You know, rage professor. And then promising young woman have you seen that?
(Gabrielle) Okay, I've seen that a few years ago. I think that one's good.
(Liz) I don't really have that much to say about it. Other than like, it's slays same director as saltburn. Oh, saltburn fans. Okay, out there. Um, I don't even even fans of Houselights that I'm talking to right now. Be for real now. We're gonna this brand new life that video has given us we're gonna grow our engagement is gonna go through the roof. Your name ready.
(Gabrielle and Liz) We're going to be number one. Number one podcast all time. Amen. Screw the Joe Rogan experience Houselights Baby Houselights Baby
(Liz) And then I wanted to talk about femme so I just started I want to talk about female rage music. And then I want to say I recently created a femtocell rage play low, which is just like I swear I'm not like I'm not okay, like I did like Rosamund Pike from gonggar was on the cover. Like, of the playlists like it's fine. But I read I I think that Lana Del Rey is like number one, just because she's got the like, aesthetically like she she might so
(Gabrielle) I really think it's for me, it's an Penelope sky.
(Liz) I know. I was wondering, okay, I'm so glad that you said that. Because I put it on my list. And I wasn't sure if you knew penalties. There's some people. They're like, I love her. We need to go to a concert when she comes into town because she's released so much music so if she doesn't go on tour soon, I'm literally gonna lose it.
(Gabrielle and Liz) I learned that she released new music from your snapchat. Oh my gosh. Oh, shoot, I gotta go look at it. And then it's so good. She's so good.
(Liz) And like I was obsessed for like years with that one. With that one album. I came public void. Yeah, point oh, is just one of my favorite albums of all time. It's literally like, what six or seven songs? Yeah, so like I've really been like, like fiending for new music. And now she just put out so many ls she put out three albums like at a time pretty much
(Gabrielle and Liz) he's so I didn't I love okay, I listened to the new albums but I still absolutely love the outfits. Just a facade. The I love Penelope Scott. Um, I loved it. Okay, sweet hibiscus tea was great. Obviously. That's like number one. That's it had it's just because that was like the one that I found her through. So I have to keep that one. I found her on Tik Tok. Right. I feel like everybody else did like in 2020 2021 like time yeah. Um, and I feel like tick tock didn't ruin her. Which is like really like, you can eat you got to be a strong artist. You knock your ruin by tick tock, right?
(Liz) Because like that song like rat, like kind of about like Elon Musk. Like kind of such a good one. That was one of my favorite YouTube groups a hive mind. They have this worst songs bracket of all time. And that was on there. And I was surprised because I was like, they're like, I was just like a tick tock a five. Not for you males. It's not for you. That's why you don't get it. Yeah, cuz you're not crazy.
(Gabrielle) Yeah. They don't like it's it's like, okay, it's obviously different situations, but it's like how Bob Dylan back in the day. Everybody all like the like, everybody was like, Oh my gosh, he's like, you know, wow, what a loony bin it's finality. Scott notice
(Liz) Yeah, and everyone's gonna be like reviewing her. Yeah, one day, yeah
(Gabrielle) In the future she's gonna be like, put on a pedestal. They got a statue in her honor.
(Liz) Yeah kind of thing talking about Elon Musk Grimes is also on my female rage clothes, which it sucks to like, she's it sucks. They're like, her second persona is like married to and like mess up because like she also like, makes really good music. Yeah. And like slaves. Like,
(Gabrielle) I haven't listened to her as much but I've listened to a few songs and she does, you know, sort of kill it. Like she, like, hate to say it love to say it. Like,
(Liz) Well, I'm like, also like I put on Mitski on there. Okay, everybody loves Mitski that's my favorites are growing music
(Gabrielle) I feel it's been ruined for me. Because like playing okay, it's like this one is it's men, quite frankly, are ruining it for me. Because it's the artists that the men pick to try and get with the they'll be like, Oh, I love Minsky. Oh my gosh.
(Liz) Oh,yeah. Like, oh, no, I dropped my Mitski six one, by the way. Like my love is mine online like that.
(Gabrielle) Yeah, exactly.
(Liz) Trivia Night. karaoke night. That's me. I'm so excited. We're so excited for them.
(Gabrielle and Liz) But no, I feel like men are like ruining, like Mitski. And there are a few others. I can't think of Phoebe Bridgers. Boy, genius. They're forging this for me. Why, though? It's just like, okay, like, it's just not for you.
(Gabrielle) It's No, I love the music. Like I listened to Mitski for a long time, and then doesn't exactly. And then I got to college. And like it was like, almost as if men only view women as music in a way like they would like. That's the main thing they're picking up on for me. They look at me and they're like, Oh, I bet she likes Minsky. Hey, I love Minsky. And I'm like, I have so much more quality to me than just like, why are you ruining the environment?
(Liz) We were Oh my god. So the land trip our time talking about that has like seemed nice. And my. And I was like, I was just messing with her. And I thought that she'd no it was a joke. I was like, hey, Lana Del Rey night. She's like, we really know that we the satisfier of all time, like that's they would never do that. Why would you ever think it would never happen? Oh, and then what? And one more thing, Tony about men ruining music. Um, my other acts like my first like ever ex posted a Penelope Scott quote on his ex formerly known as Twitter. And I was like, What are you up for? You know, don't touch that. One know that. He knows. I know. You know that.
(Gabrielle) One time I had a man send me um, it was yeah, it was a Mitski song. I forget which one but it was like the most popular song ever had girl. You shouldn't listen to this. And I was like, Babe, you just sent me
(Liz and Gabrielle) already. 17 times tonight. Like I've listened to that over and over put you on some new stuff. Like here's some Mitski sounds pretty underground. probably never heard of her. Have you ever heard of like, genius? I'm sure you've never heard of that. But I love you. And I'm like, I love talking. I love talking to you. This is normal conversation that we have over regional desks. Yeah, exactly. Like man hating and like talking about music. Not anymore. You guys. Well
(Liz) I am moving up the ranks. But you are moving up the rain stop when it's fine. Like, it's chilly. We don't have talked about it. Um, one more thing, before we get into this. I feel like girlcode is like a separate version of Yeah, male rage. Because it's like, when girl code is violated. That's like, Oh, yeah. Like that's like a different kind of hurt, you know? Because I feel like you wouldn't expect it from a young girl because you know, girlcode and so it's like a different kind of female rage. What is your definition of it? Because I think that's other people have different definitions.
(Gabrielle) Okay. See, for me, because I was thinking about that when I was like, looking through the list and everything. And I was like, originally, you know, the first thought that comes to mind is like the Oh, don't hook up with, you know, guy in a relationship or like, you know, best friend's ex or whatever, that sort of thing, right? But then I got more intuitively thinking and I was like, Well, I feel like girl codes also, like, if you see a girl like at the bar who looks too drunk, or if you like that kind of like I feel like it's
(Liz) And I feel like, that's honestly not more important because I think there's different importance, but I feel like that's like the more dire one.
(Gabrielle) It's like the more imperative thing to give. I feel like girlcode is just like it's not just about friendship. It's truly about being a girl and recognizing the adversities that women face and recognizing how to help a woman with those adversities right moment.
(Liz) Absolutely. And just like having, I guess, like seat like, because obviously I think all women have empathy for like other women, but it's like showing it. Yeah. And I think that that's more important. Yeah. No, like, it's I don't know, it's just, I was like, why is it important in our society? Yeah, I was just thinking about it the other day. It's the sex, gender and sexuality classes. And it's like, and obviously, like, I have these thoughts all the time. But like, I never get to share them. And now I'm like, Well, Houselights is mine. I can just Yap on Houselights about anything that I want. So give me girlcode We're doing it. Do you think? Are we are we missing it in our culture today? Or do you think that it's grown?
(Gabrielle) I feel like, okay, you got to think my historical basis here is historical TV shows. Oh, and that's it. That's all I got for like,
(Liz) I'd love to hear your female.
(Gabrielle)That's all I got for female society, but based off of those, you know, pretty inaccurate TV shows. I would feel like we've grown. Like I feel like we can.
(Liz) I'm sorry. I thought you would explain what
(Gabrielle) I just didn't. Like, okay. bridgerton Okay. Um, have you ever watched the great on Hulu?
(Liz) No, but that was what's her name like? Oh, like
(Gabrielle) Yeah, Ellie Fanning? Yes. Yes. It's about Catherine the Great and it gets into like girl hood and girl coats so much. And like then there's like, you know, other ones like Anne with an E baby. They should have never seen should have never cancelled it. I love that show. But like historical pieces like that, when I watched them, I feel like nowadays, especially social media, it's definitely had negative consequences on girlhood. But I feel like it's made it more connected because we can just gap on tick tock about whatever and then girls can come in and be like, I thought I was the only one who had this thought.
(Liz) I love that. I love that. Yeah, it's just like, and like social media bad. That's what my like, say gender and sexuality. Find some say like, social media bad, but actually, social media good. Yeah. Like I just, you know, it's definitely connected us with people that we never thought that would have the same problems. And I'm like, repost. Like, how easy is that? You know, just the simple thing of like, oh, another girl likes him. Another girl sees me another girl hears me. And it's like, Wow, amazing.
(Gabrielle) I feel like it's just like social media, especially Tik Tok. Because it's so easy to just like, record a video of yourself and then just post it because you're not having to say it in front of someone. It makes it so much easier to open up. Yeah. And I feel like it's open so much dialogue for women as a whole to just talk about, like, different conversations on like, sexuality, or just being a girl and yet, like so and so forth. You know,
(Liz) Yeah. And, and doesn't open up to oversharing Yes, yeah, definitely. Yeah. But, but like, if you're, you're, if you overshare consistently, you are raring to hit a you know, hit a home or if you want to, you know, get people to you know, be like, Yes, I see you I understand that. So, like, just keep oversharing on the internet enough now. And then maybe when they saw me like, same girl, and you'll be like, for real?
(Gabrielle) Yeah, exactly. That sums it up. No, um,
(Liz) I feel like that sums up our conversation any any final thoughts on girlhood. Getty that you want to posit for the group?
(Gabrielle) No, I can't think of any. I think at the end of the day, I'm just a girl.
(Liz) Well, and that's what we like to call on the booze a callback. So we'll have have a great rest of your day, Gabby. I will see you guys next week. I don't know what I'm doing next week. We'll have to find out. Bye Bye