The United States Department of Nerds Podcast

Comic creator Tommy Huls joins The Chairman on the United States Department of Nerds Podcast to discuss Kingsville, World at War Comics, independent comics, creator-owned publishing, and crowdfunding.

Tommy Huls has spent years interviewing comic creators through World at War Comics. Now, the interviewer becomes the interviewee as Tommy takes us inside the creation and evolution of Kingsville.

Kingsville is a superhero comic built around global power, political conflict, and Sycodone, a rare resource capable of making superhuman abilities possible.

As the Alliance for Global Safety grows in influence, the small nation of Kingsville controls the resource everyone wants. What begins as cooperation becomes a struggle over power, security, sovereignty, and control.

Tommy takes us inside the creation and evolution of Kingsville, Rodrigo's moral conflict within AGS, lessons learned producing his own comic book, and why Kingsville Issue #1 entered a new stage with Critical Entertainment.

We also turn the microphone around on one of indie comics' most prolific interviewers.

Through World at War Comics, Tommy has spent hundreds of episodes speaking with independent comic creators, writers, artists, publishers, industry veterans, and some of the biggest names in comics. We discuss what those conversations taught him about building something that lasts and how becoming a comic creator changed the way he interviews other creators.

The conversation also explores the realities facing independent comics, including crowdfunding, comic book distribution, reaching new readers, working with comic shops, and why great creator-owned comics can still struggle to find an audience.

At the time of this interview, Kingsville Issue #1 was in the final stretch of its Kickstarter campaign. That campaign has now concluded, but the conversation provides an inside look at the artwork, covers, rewards, crowdfunding strategy, and what reader support could make possible for the future of the series.

The interviewer became the creator. Now the microphone turns around.

Topics Covered
• The creation and evolution of Kingsville
 • Tommy Huls and World at War Comics
 • The origins of Sycodone and the Alliance for Global Safety
 • Rodrigo and the moral conflict inside AGS
 • Creating and publishing independent comics
 • Comic book lettering and production
 • Crowdfunding and Kickstarter comics
 • Kingsville Issue #1 and its Kickstarter campaign
 • Kingsville and Critical Entertainment
 • Lessons from hundreds of comic creator interviews
 • Becoming a comic creator after years as an interviewer
 • Building relationships in the comic book industry
 • Reaching readers with independent comics
 • Comic shops and comic book distribution
 • Creator-owned comics and independent publishing
 • The future of Kingsville

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Oh, my God.

What is up everybody and welcome to the

United States Department of Nerds where we

are for the people, by the people,

and of the people.

For years,

Tommy has been the one asking the

questions through World at War Comics.

He has built a platform dedicated to

giving comic creators a place to talk

about their work, their processes,

and the stories behind the stories.

He has sent across from industry vets,

independent creators,

and some of the biggest names in comics,

helping put their voices in front of new

audiences.

Tonight,

I'm turning that microphone around because

behind World at War Comics is a creator

with a story of his own.

Tommy is the writer and creator of

Keensville,

a superhero series built around power,

politics,

and a rare resource capable of

of turning your average humans into a

superhero.

With the current Kingsville issue number

one campaign now in its final stretch,

this is more than a conversation about a

comic.

It's a conversation about building

something from the ground up and about

learning the industry by living it.

about what happens when the person who

spends so much time supporting other

creators finally gets that chance to step

into the spotlight himself.

And full disclosure to everybody

listening,

I've already backed this book because I

also believe in this book.

So Tommy doesn't have to convince me

tonight.

He has to convince everybody else

listening tonight to hit that button and

give this book some love.

But tonight, we're talking Kingsville.

We're talking World at War comments.

We're talking about the lessons that come

from hundreds of conversations with

creators across the industry.

And we're talking about what comes next.

Ladies and gentlemen,

the Council of Nerds is now in session.

Tommy,

I am honestly proud to finally welcome you

in front of the Council.

So welcome, my friend.

really appreciate it man i'm honored to be

with you as well appreciate i think we

both have missions that are very similar

we were kind of talking before we hit

the recording it's really about the indie

comic scene that's where i started

obviously i've had some folks on from the

big two but it's really to draw more

attention to the indie scene i think indie

comics is where all the best stories are

taking place in comics

And, man,

I think we share a lot of our

passion around indie.

So I appreciate you.

Appreciate the opportunity.

I can't wait to talk about all things

comics with you.

Again, you know, before we went live,

I told you I was like you and

Lone Boss Punk were the two dudes who

I watched to learn comics.

Kind of like how you approach the

interview process and then kind of

developed my own based on that.

So it's really cool.

But let's learn a little bit more about

you.

So you're usually sitting on the other

sides of these conversations,

asking the questions after hundreds of

interviews.

What's it like being the guy on the

other side?

be honest with you it's always a little

awkward yeah yeah it just feels weird um

for sure and uh yeah there's probably i

don't know i feel like it's more pressure

being a guest than there is hosting um

an interview um mainly because i'm just

not used to it but uh yeah it's

It's a cool experience that I obviously

love talking about comic books.

I'm super passionate about my own title

that I've been working on for the last

four years.

And we've had quite a bit of success

early on, you know,

through TikTok shop and shows mainly in

California when I used to live in

California.

I lived in Utah for a while,

did some shows up there.

So a lot of my comics are out

there,

but just taking it to that next kind

of professional level is,

Yeah.

And redoing it, re-lettering,

adding a little bit more meat to the

story.

Like,

it's been a lot of fun or great

experience.

And, you know,

you and I were kind of talking,

writing your own comic book gives you such

an appreciation for those who have already

done it.

You realize, man,

there's just a lot to putting a comic

book together.

And I enjoy the process and constantly

learning, but yeah, it's, it's not easy.

That's for sure.

It's really not.

And that's been one of my favorite things

about doing these types of interviews is

just the learning aspect that I get to

do on a weekly basis,

sitting down across from creators from,

you know, lettering, coloring.

I've had a pigment cats on Frankie walk,

just brilliant, smart colorist,

It really like broke down the psychology

of how colors work in comics.

And, uh,

even last week with a transhuman in SK.

going into a twenty-two minute lesson on

how lettering works and how that

psychology works and how you can use

lettering to cheat the comic system by

adding two actions to a panel.

So it's been like this amazing learning

experience and all those get, you know,

cut out and put onto my YouTube channel

as well for people to go and watch

if they're ever curious about comic books.

So...

Definitely could have used that twenty two

minutes four years ago when I started,

man.

It's live.

I maybe I'll I think I have a

few copies left of the original Kingsville

when it first launched.

So proud of it.

I get it back in my lettering.

It's just amazing.

I'm like, oh my gosh,

this is embarrassing.

I didn't know the font.

Like one thing within a system to create

your font, it looks perfect.

But then to take that finished work and

then get it printer ready changes

everything within your file.

And then when you send it off,

just not understanding that.

And I remember getting it back going,

oh my gosh, man.

And then I obviously- The compression

right at you?

Yes.

Oh yeah, dude.

It was like a billboard in every bubble.

People could read that from across their

room.

That's awesome, though.

That's so awesome.

I got better at it.

That compression rate will get you.

That's why I don't think a lot of

people really realize that because, yeah,

it's normal pages, you know,

but then it has to be compressed.

And if things don't compress the correct

way,

then you get stuck with like oversized

lettering and that kind of stuff.

So everything has to be kind of

compressed,

put into the file and sent off to

the printer.

But yeah, that's awesome though.

I love that.

I'll send you one.

You'll laugh when you see it.

Oh, please do.

This is terrible, bro.

I love that.

I would love that.

It's not though.

It's, it's terrible, but it's that,

it's that part of the process.

Cause I know I'm going to be like,

I will probably do something like that.

But before world at war comments and

before Kingsville,

where did comments begin for you?

And when did you being a fan turn

into wanting to create something of your

own?

Yeah, I mean, growing up,

I was born in the seventies,

grew up in the early eighties,

really loving wrestling.

WWF at the time was huge for me.

So I had a group of friends in

our neighborhood.

It was wrestling, G.I.

Joe and He-Man was huge growing up.

And He-Man was, I mean, I enjoy He-Man,

love the new movie that just came out.

Never really kind of went toward the

He-Man side.

I really stayed on G.I.

Joe side.

huge fan of G.I.

Joe.

Larry Hama, I think,

is one of the greatest writers of all

the comics.

For him to have the run that he's

had for so many years through different

publishers, right?

Devil's Due, IDW, Image Comics,

obviously Skybound, obviously Marvel,

like it's bounced around and Larry Hama

was kind of,

although he did jump off for some time,

but he did jump around with publishers

because he just,

obviously being a veteran himself,

he has a

a unique insight into those characters and

how they function and then there's if if

you didn't grow up in the eighties you

might not realize it but there was a

lot of crossover between wrestling and

g.i.

joe sergeant slaughter sergeant in fact i

i don't want to take up too much

time but i know i just picked up

my sergeant slaughter let me see if i

could find it without spending too much

time looking for it

But it's over here somewhere.

But yeah,

I just picked it up at a show.

I don't know where it's at, man.

I don't want to waste time.

He's still at this.

He's still at conventions and sign-ins.

So it's always cool.

Oh, easy.

Easy.

But yeah, and he still looks the same.

I mean,

it's like the only thing he did was

lose his hair.

Yeah, yeah.

He's got those glasses,

the sunglasses that he's famous for.

The big old aviators.

Yeah.

But, I mean, that was my upbringing.

And then I remember there was a comic

book shop by my house.

Like, I could ride my bike to it.

It was that close.

And I remember riding to it for the

first time to look for G.I.

Joe.

And at the time,

there was a comic book,

I believe it was through Marvel,

called NAMM or NOMM.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, they had, I think,

eighty six issues before it ended.

That was one of my favorite comics,

probably a little more adult than I should

have been reading at ten.

It's been coming back.

They've been re-releasing issues of that.

So I love that.

Obviously, G.I.

Joe I got into and then picked up

my first Superman comic book and I was

hooked on comics.

This is probably nine, ten,

eleven years old, somewhere in there.

So I started with G.I.

Joe, got introduced to Superman and Flash.

And obviously Spider-Man collected

everything Spider-Man related.

I geared...

of more toward the dc side for some

reason so yeah most of my life it's

been mainly dc although i love marvel too

but yeah that's how it kind of all

started just you know that that bike ride

with a couple buddies to the comic book

shop for the first time looking for

garbage pill kids looking for baseball

cards and this comic shop we kind of

went into they had garbage pill kids

didn't have baseball cards but i got

introduced to gi joe and comic book form

and i was and ever since then i've

been buying comics man

So what did you think about when Skybound

got the rights to both Transformers and

G.I.

Joe all at the same time, basically?

I think the announcement was made with...

was it in the same weekend at one

of the conventions?

It was.

San Diego, right?

Or New York?

I believe it was San Diego.

Yeah.

Just because San Diego comes first in the

year.

Sometimes they'll save information for New

York because it's such a big con too.

But I remember it being in San Diego.

I remember Robert Kirkman talking about

it.

I mean, I was excited, man.

Look, I don't really do reviews.

I don't really throw shade at any

publisher.

I love them all.

But toward the end,

Transformers and G.I.

Joe was...

I stopped reading it after a while when

it was at IDW.

It kind of got rough to read toward

the end.

Just for me, again,

someone liked it to each their own,

but for me, I was like, ah,

it's just not feeling the same.

And then Skybound picked it up,

and I feel like Larry Hama got a...

like a jolt.

Yeah.

Because his writing since issue three

hundred till now is it's back to the

O.G.

Larry Hama that I love.

And then, you know,

bringing Joshua Williamson over for the

skybound version of G.I.

Joe,

where they're kind of bringing that

connected universe with Transformers.

Yeah, the whole universe.

Oh, that's why it's wrong.

G.I.

Joe.

Yeah.

Transformers,

Void Rivals and Transformers.

There's another one, right?

I think that's it.

Void Rivals, Transformers.

ROM is just a one-shot,

but I believe ROM will be in some

of the Void Rivals stuff.

Yeah, I think that's...

And then, yeah,

so I think it's those three that I

can remember.

Is Radiant Black,

Radiant Pink a part of that as well?

No, no, that's Image.

That's a completely different creator,

which is also an amazing series that

people should be reading.

It really is.

It's so good, man.

Some awesome creators with Ryan Parrott

over there.

They're just cool guys, man.

But, yeah, I love what Skybound's doing.

I will say I'm a –

Daniel Warren Johnson's Twenty Issues of

Transformers might be some of the best

Transformers I've ever read in my life.

Yeah.

And his Wolverine cover.

What was it?

Wolverine four hundred?

Yes.

That black and white.

So sick.

I got that the day it come out,

of course.

I think it was like eight ninety nine

or something like that.

It was wild.

like three dollars overpriced in my

opinion yeah but the fact that it's still

holding like a high resale to this day

i am not complaining because i could just

pull that book out and go get myself

a tank of gas yeah exactly

But so I wish he would have done

like fifty issues.

He doesn't do long runs.

In fact, the plan was only ten.

And I don't know if they just do

whatever it takes to do ten more.

I'm not sure what the conversation between

Kirkman and Daniel was,

but they got him for another ten.

But he said for sure he's done after

that.

And yeah,

he likes these short six to ten issue

runs.

And he could then go right into like

a graphic novel style.

and, uh, kill it.

And I mean,

do a power bomb might be one of

the best indie comics ever created, bro.

They just released it again in black and

white, but I was like,

I got chills right now.

I couldn't do the black and white cause

it looks so good in color.

I felt like I was going to cheat

myself looking at the black and white

version of it because that color run was

so good.

So good.

And the fact that it takes up,

you know,

a place around luchador wrestling and that

kind of stuff.

And the colors with the,

the luchador mask, I was like,

it's so beautiful.

Like it is seriously like, I, yeah,

that's how it left me.

Yeah.

I was blown away.

It was amazing.

Like you kind of could predict it a

little bit,

but at the same time you were like,

Yeah, I kind of predicted it,

but it didn't matter.

It was such a good lead up to

that ending to begin with,

like everything in between that beginning,

the middle and the end.

Yeah.

Wonderful stuff.

Wonderful.

He has such a unique like when you

talk writer, artist.

Right.

And there's a handful of them that do

it really good.

I think Daniel's got to be up there

toward the top.

yeah of having obviously being an insanely

amazing artist but his storytelling like i

haven't read rick romander does this too

really well um they're able to bring a

certain amount of emotion that just fits

so perfect in their storytelling like i

teared up and do a power ball man

it's just i know exactly what you're

talking about it's insane man yeah i know

i know what you're talking about because i

was sitting here reading it too and i

was just like

Yeah.

Anybody watching me do this is crazy.

Like, it's all right.

But The Seasons, I thought,

was really good as well.

Yeah, The Seasons.

And I don't know if you're reading Escape

right now.

I am.

It's pretty phenomenal as well.

Wicker Mender might be one of my favorite

writers.

Yeah.

And then Daniel Young's that whole

package, man.

Yeah, I got a few.

It didn't matter.

I really love Scotty Young's I Hate

Fairyland.

And he's about to hit issue fifty.

They fixed the numbering on it finally.

And I'm like, so great.

I think it actually did just hit fifty

issues.

I think it did, yeah.

But yeah, I was like,

this is so good.

His style is just so unique and...

As a writer,

I didn't know how I was going to

feel because he does amazing covers.

You immediately walk into any comic shop

and go, that's Scotty Young.

Yeah, a hundred percent.

He's probably one of the most recognized

artists when it comes to covers.

You know his cover immediately because he

has that awesome cartoonish style that is

just amazing.

Yes, so there's him.

Peach Momoko is easily recognizable.

Yeah.

shoot, what's his name, Mac.

The dude who did all the artwork on

Daredevil.

Oh, yeah.

Daniel?

Daniel.

Oh, David Mack.

David Mack.

And he did all those covers in the

first, like, what,

ten or twenty issues of something that's

killing Lynn's children as well.

But he's another one.

You see his cover and you go,

that's a Mack cover.

Although I did see somebody recently copy

one of his covers on another series.

And I was just like, yeah,

need to stop.

You know what you did.

You know who you stole from.

When you do a cover that's a year

old and someone's already doing an homage

cover of your cover,

you know you're doing something right.

That's pretty impressive.

Yeah.

But so you've asked hundreds of creators

some version of this question.

So I'm going to now ask it to

you.

All right.

Where did Keensville begin?

So Kingsville – so I will say, man,

I'm not a very political person,

so I don't do a lot of politics.

I just – I don't get into it.

It's too divisive,

and I like too many people who like

both sides of the aisle,

and I really don't care enough to get

involved.

And it sounds terrible, but, you know,

obviously we all vote,

and I just keep that to myself, man.

But with that said,

one of my favorite shows to watch on

YouTube is The Y Files.

I don't know if you've ever watched The

Y Files.

It's just – it takes some of the

craziest –

conspiracy theories out there and they do

such a good job of laying out the

story by the time you're done watching

you're like dude the aliens really came

and what's great is like the last like

fifteen minutes he'll then go back and

he'll say look this is an amazing story

but this is why this is not true

and then he'll state facts of why or

he'll say look man there's a lot of

unknowns not sure what's going on I can't

say for sure it's fake

But, man, make your decision, right?

And I love that about him, man.

So there's another one very similar to

that called Origins Explained.

Ooh, I need to see that.

I haven't seen that one yet.

I have to check that out.

Everywhere from dinosaurs to ancient

aliens to the pyramids.

They cover a whole – like underwater

cities.

Where's Atlantis?

Atlantis, yeah.

And all kinds of stuff like that.

And the lady who does it –

just so passionate about it, you know,

like her voice and the way she enunciates.

And you could tell, like,

she really gives a shit about that,

you know,

and she sells it to you from the

moment she starts talking.

And from her intro, you know,

like as she introduces herself,

you're like,

OK, what do you got?

Yeah, I love it, man.

So I mean,

that show I love and I love kind

of conspiracies.

So, you know,

there's all this talk about a one world

order and that someone's going to come in

and they're going to control the world.

So I kind of started from that premise

because I just love that kind of stuff.

Mm hmm.

So it starts off from a very ridiculous

premise.

So I have this guy.

His name is Dr. Derrickson.

And he has started this nonprofit kind of

organization to try and bring countries

together for the greater good.

And it's called the Alliance for Global

Safety.

And the way that he's getting countries to

come in is by creating these superhumans

that

And he promises that if you become a

member, a global member,

you'll get your own superhuman that will

be in your country to help with crime

and all that other stuff.

While he's building this army of

superhumans,

he's also taking this army and he's...

ending or deleting anybody who says

anything negative about what they're

trying to do because he wants to keep

everything positive.

So on the outside, they're like, look,

we're helping to feed people.

We're stopping crime.

But any crime that's taking place is

normally him just ending or deleting

people who have said bad things about AGS.

And then on the same time,

the one mineral that they need to keep

this program going is coming from this

nation,

an island nation called Kingsville.

So not to get too much into the

story,

I took kind of something from a conspiracy

standpoint and built around this one world

order.

Dr.

Derrickson is trying to create this super

powerful,

which is succeeding organization to gain

more and more power by bringing more and

more countries into this.

In the middle is a.

I hope I'm pronouncing this right.

It's Cicadone?

Cicadone, yeah.

Cicadone, okay.

So in its raw form, it's called Cicadone.

They're mining it in this small little

country called Kingsville.

And they're known for that fishing.

It's an island, man.

It's cold most of the year.

So during the summer months,

they're fishing.

They're gathering for that winter.

And then they're mining.

They do a lot of mining.

And this one mineral,

they didn't know what to do with it.

They don't have the technology to do

anything with it.

But AGS does,

and we have a couple scientists that lead

this department that's been able to take

it from its raw form and create what's

called Faradone,

which they're injecting in humans as

testing to try and create different types

of super humans.

They're mixing it with insects and animals

to try and create unique powers.

And eventually it works,

and they start to build this army,

which I was talking about earlier.

Now, as they build these people,

they're bringing in heads of state saying,

look,

become a member of Alliance for Global

Safety.

And you're going to get this person that

can help create the safety net and

everything else that you want to bring a

lot of press to your country and all

this other good stuff without them knowing

that they report to me, by the way.

And I'm utilizing them in my own way

as well.

I love it.

It's just a cool origin story of how

a conspiracy theory YouTube channel

inspired this.

Of all things out there,

everybody out there has watched these

things.

So it's cool that you took something like

that and just expanded and built this

world around it.

So...

It's a small nation of Keynesville

controlling this resource.

And of course,

AGS is this larger global organization who

desperately wants the psychodome.

How much of Keynesville is superhero

fiction?

How much of it is just really about

the power and the resources and the

sovereignty that is being offered?

Yeah.

So it's definitely leaning more toward the

sovereignty that's being offered and kind

of the politics behind the scenes of Dr.

Derrickson's desire and need to continue

to gain more and more power and those

around him ensuring that they are all

aligned with that a hundred percent.

He does not like people...

you know,

strain away from the message or the goal

that they have in this.

Um, so there's a lot of that.

And then there's also this,

this political side between Kingsville and

AGS as Kingsville starts to get worried

about the power.

that they're gaining and they're kind of

supplying the mineral that's allowing them

to have this power and they're just having

second thoughts like man i don't think we

should be doing this anymore because this

is going to bite us it's going to

bite us it's going to bite other nations

who don't want to be part of this

and so there's there's some of that going

on but it's really watching and again no

matter what side of the aisle you're on

i think we all agree there's a lot

of power

in a very small place in the United

States and every country has the same

problem.

So it's not just us.

And there's always worry that one group

would have too much power because power

has this unique hold on people.

And when you gain it,

you don't want to lose it.

Sometimes you're willing to do anything to

maintain it.

And Dr.

Derrickson definitely falls into that

category.

It's definitely blurring the line of

providing security and then using security

as a justification for the control.

Yes, exactly.

I love those types of stories where you

blur that line just enough and people can

believe and read and take that as they

want.

Yeah.

But so let's talk about Rodrigo.

Yes.

He in particular is interesting because

he's inside AGS and helped build this

system.

but in seeing what it's becoming,

is this story really about the complicity

and how long you can remain inside of

a broken system before you are a part

of that system?

Whether in your head, you're like,

I'm not a part of this,

but you know,

you helped build the entire thing.

Yeah, for sure.

I mean, there, there's this,

this issue that he's having internally

with his own conscience, you know,

when they first started, um,

They loved kind of the goal and the

purpose that they were originally told

that this program would provide for other

countries.

He's kind of the only one in issue

one that starts to question things like,

yeah,

and that's a lot of power for any

human being to have.

And are we using it correctly?

And you'll see an issue one and more

so an issue two,

like things are popping up around the

world where AGS is kind of involved.

And because he's on the inside, he's,

although he's not in those meetings and

understanding what's going on,

he certainly sees people coming and going

and he's hearing things internally and

then seeing things on the outside where he

scratches his head going,

I'm not sure where the good guy's here.

And that's where issue one kind of ends

is, holy crap, man,

is this really what I signed up for?

And so you have Rodrigo and then you

have Marissa,

which maybe we'll talk about,

but they're kind of the lead scientist

that is running the science department

that has helped to develop this mineral

that can now be used as an injectable

substance.

Not a vaccine,

but a serum that gives people superhuman

powers.

It's very rare,

not super simple to put together.

So it's not like they could build an

army of fifty overnight.

It takes time.

And because it's rare, you know,

they're in a situation where they need to

make sure that Kingsville's mining

constantly to find more of this.

Mm hmm.

So with government, superhumans,

and potentially war surrounding these

characters,

how do you kind of keep Keensville

fundamentally about people rather than

allowing the entire world building to

swallow them?

Because it could very easily happen in a

world like this in this book.

Yeah, I mean, it's always difficult,

right?

Because you can get on tangents.

And I think either in conversation or in

writing,

I think that's something very easy to do

as you're trying to express your thoughts

on where a story might lead.

You know,

making sure that it's really centered

around AGS and everything that's happening

inside.

And then sometimes bringing outside

elements that show the harm or the good

that it's doing.

So as long as you're kind of concentrating

in one area of this story and you

kind of hold to that area,

it could help put guardrails around to

make sure that you're not going too far

to one area of the story and then

losing the plot of the story.

I think that's really important and it's

something I need to be reminded of myself

as I continue to write this story and

expand on it.

Because being a comic book reader,

and Marvel and DC do this a lot,

it's not enough just to have an Aquaman

story.

Now how do we tie Aquaman into a

bigger event that brings in every

character in the DC universe?

You could do that when you've been around

eighty years,

and even I think that's overdone.

Even they still don't get it right,

and it's their stuff.

So as a small indie person,

you got to be careful that you're not

trying to go to that route right away.

That's something you do when you have

forty or fifty issues out.

You've told a really good story.

People understand your characters.

And so I try to keep it very

condensed into one area.

Until we get this first arc done.

And then you just start to expand slightly

as you continue to write.

But you have to be really careful that

you're not doing too much with your

writing or you'll lose people.

And they're just like, wait,

I thought we were in this country.

And you're building your own map, right?

In your own country.

That's already confusing for people

because it's not something that they could

say, oh,

I'm from there and I know how that

is.

I'm trying to stay objective and not use

certain countries as certain things.

So I did it on purpose,

but it becomes hard.

you got to be careful man just what

is what are you trying to accomplish with

your comic book and this i'm trying to

share which i think is very relatable and

something that a lot of people worry about

is when someone has too much power do

they have the maturity do they have the

ability to exercise that power in a way

that benefits people without benefiting

themselves

and that's very difficult to do if you

look throughout history people have gained

that kind of power rarely exit out of

that power at their own will once they

taste it they want to maintain it and

continue it as much as possible and it's

insane when you get into history of some

leaders

what they're willing to do and who they're

willing to do it to in order to

maintain that power.

And so I love that whole aspect of

human nature because I personally think we

all have that element in us,

like depending on your upbringing,

depending on your education,

depending on your surroundings,

like we're, we all could fall into that.

Even if it's just,

you're at your job and you want to

become a manager.

And I've seen managers like, dude,

this is not a country that you're, you're,

ruling over, bro.

These are employees that report to you.

They're humans.

They are still humans.

They're still humans, right?

So I think we all in a small

way can relate to that or experienced it

or have seen it happen around the globe

or even in the United States, right?

Yeah.

No, a hundred percent.

And

It's a good way to put it.

And I'm glad that you didn't kind of

like superimpose like, oh,

instead of this being this country,

I'm calling it this.

You completely were like,

there's going to be no way for you

to go, oh,

he's talking about this country.

Actually, no,

you just were like taking that out of

the equation.

Here's my map.

Here's what my map looks like.

Exactly.

Yeah.

No, I wanted to be careful with that.

So hopefully that's awesome.

Exactly.

But so looking back at the earliest

version of Keensville and how different

how different is the creator didn't hear

today from the Tommy who first decided I'm

actually going to make that comment.

And you did say earlier that, you know,

the earlier version may have had a hiccup

or two.

It had more than a couple of hiccups,

man.

It was sick.

So one of the reasons why I started

my podcast about four,

four and a half years ago is I

thought, look,

I have this story I want to tell.

I love comic books.

I would love to create my own comic

book.

I would love to be a writer of

comics.

Um,

the one way I know how I could

get really good at that is by interviewing

people who already do it.

And so that's what I started doing.

I started reaching out to other creators

saying, I would love to have you on.

Let's just have a conversation and just,

I would love to listen to your process,

how you go about it.

Like that's what truly was the only,

it was very selfish, uh,

I wanted to learn from people who are

already doing it.

And I thought,

what better platform to do that than what

you and I are doing right now?

Let's just have a conversation.

I'm going to learn a lot from you

and it'll be a lot of fun.

And at the same time,

we might be helping others who want to

kind of cross that line into creator,

but don't know how.

And so I'm hoping by having these

conversations and digging into the why's,

why do you like writing?

Why do you like storytelling?

influenced you over your life what were

some of those things that happened in your

life where you went from maybe having a

job at a grocery store or a tire

shop to i'm writing comic books

professionally now like yeah what gave you

the the courage and the the comfort of

knowing that this could be a path that

i could take and i can make a

living out of it so that's

truly what I did.

And because I've done that for, you know,

almost five years now,

and I've had close to five hundred

interviews with some amazing folks,

I've learned a lot more.

So you'll see that in this comic book.

You and I were kind of talking,

you know,

when your comic books are not cheap to

make.

And now you make your money back right

away on your comic book.

Right.

Yeah.

Average comic book just for people to know

will cost you anywhere from three to five

thousand dollars a

that's printed out to people in their

hands, all that good stuff.

So creators, especially on the indie side,

don't really make money or don't cross

into kind of the positive for six months

to a year after they created their comic

book.

And that's if they start going to cons

and selling at cons,

if they open a TikTok shop,

if they have a website where they can

sell comics, like it's not easy to do.

And then keep in mind that those

conventions are still coming out of their

pocket.

a hundred percent or may not make that

table back a hundred percent.

And I'll be honest with you.

I've been to some smaller cons where you

don't make your money back.

Um, but again, it's all about marketing.

It's about getting your name out there.

It's about building relationships within

the community, um, being super respectful.

So my,

my style on like doing interviews is like

old school journalistic style, man.

I'm not here, um,

to to say whether i like it or

i hate it which most of the time

i like it um yeah but i i'm

really it's about to get to know the

person and allow the audience to say okay

that kind of story touches me and i

would love to read it i don't do

review i've done a few reviews but if

you ever notice reviews i do they're all

positive i don't talk trash about other

writers and i've even confirmed more so

lately that that's probably not for me

just because i write too and it's hard

And so even if I have a creator

on and I read their comic and it

wasn't for me,

I keep that to myself because it could

be for someone in my audience.

And so I just it's all about getting

to know the creator and allowing the

audience to choose whether that story is

for them.

And if it is awesome,

it doesn't have to be for me.

Everything doesn't.

have to be for me.

I have things on my pull list that

will probably drop because it just stopped

touching me the way that it originally

did.

That's very normal.

That's okay.

I don't need to broadcast that to everyone

and maybe influence someone to not buy it

because I don't like it.

You might like it.

It just wasn't for me.

It's not bad.

It just didn't touch me.

So anyways, I'm going on a tangent,

but that's kind of how I like it.

I'm the same, though.

I don't – like I've been debating on

whether or not I bring back reviews.

How do I do those?

Do I want to do video formats where

it's just like a – because a short

now can go up to three minutes.

I could take and do a review in

a short.

And then I'm just like, you know what?

When am I going to actually have time

to do that with all the other stuff

that I do?

And I'm like,

it's just not going to happen.

So, yeah, and I wanted to.

But with the stuff I have coming up

with the website launching in October and

looking to just make what I do into

this –

this great place for creators of all

kinds.

Even if you're not a creator and you

want to be a creator,

you're going to have a place where you

can come and get those initial like, hey,

this is how people write books.

This is how people do lettering.

This is how people do colors.

And this is like the psychology of this

stuff.

And I'm going to have,

that's what the website is going to be.

Granted,

I'm going to have an alumni section.

It's going to be like, Hey, you know,

if you're looking for a particular person

who does something,

go to the alumni section.

It tells you everything about this person.

It has their episode that you can just

click on their picture and it takes you

straight to the YouTube to, you know,

watch their episode and learn basically.

And, um,

Yeah, that's what it's become about.

In the beginning,

when I was still figuring this out,

I was like, it's about the Kickstarter.

Let's talk about the Kickstarter.

Let's talk about this.

And I'm like,

there's more to them than the Kickstarter.

Let's learn about them.

Let's take the viewer,

the listener on that journey.

do this creator to get them to this

point and how them going on their journey

through life,

got them to this comic book and how

that journey influenced that comic book.

And I love storytelling that way.

Yeah.

Cause it's more than a book.

It's more than a Kickstarter.

It's a human being behind that.

Let's get to know the human being and

really get to know that creator.

And then that,

we discovered the book.

Then we discover the Kickstarter.

And that to me is like the best

way to do this and to tell these

stories.

Yeah.

Agree.

Agree, man.

I didn't agree more, but, um,

so you've already taken the story behind,

um,

You've already taken this story beyond

issue one,

which makes this current campaign

interesting.

I know we talked a little bit about

it.

Why come back to Kingsville issue one now?

And kind of like what does this campaign

represent for the next stage of the

series?

Yeah.

So I've been blessed over the years to

get to know some amazing publishers.

And a lot of them know that I

have my own comic book and I've had

great conversations.

I've gotten a lot of help from a

lot of them.

Chris Rita has become a really good friend

over the last four or five years.

Shout out to Chris, man.

Critical entertainment.

Yeah.

He's such a great dude to talk to.

Yeah.

I mean,

he's had his own publishing company for

ten years.

He has a film background,

so he went to school for film.

He knows some pretty amazing people in the

L.A.

area.

He partners with Patriot Comics,

which Patriot is their own filmmaking

studio.

They do a lot of film.

They've done –

film with some really big names too so

he he partners with them and he takes

their films and puts them into comic book

form and then on the critical

entertainment side he has all a ton of

his own titles that he does um the

the last americans i think is one of

the best comic books

I want to read that one so bad,

and I can't wait.

October, we're getting...

So for anybody who don't know Chris Rita,

you can go back and watch my episode

with Chris Rita,

and we talk about critical entertainment

and everything they're doing over there.

And then we also discuss in depth the

Indie Comic Alliance and what that mission

is over there.

And that mission is to...

Bring indie comic books to your mom and

pop shops, to your local comic shops.

It's going to be just like getting that

Penguin Random House book at your comic

shop where they can look through the Indie

Comic Alliance book and select indie

comics to go on the shelves at their

store.

And that book that he just mentioned is

one of them.

And also, I believe, if I'm not mistaken,

Kingsville will be one of those as well.

Yeah.

So the back and forth that I've had

with Chris,

I obviously wanted to get Kingsville as

part of the Indie Comic Alliance.

And he goes, Tommy,

why don't we do this, man?

We've been good buddies.

I love your comic book.

Why don't I be your publisher for

Kingsville?

Because most of the brands that are coming

over are just publishing or just printing

through him and getting distribution

through him through the Indie Comics

Alliance.

Mine's a little bit different.

I've, you know,

kind of signed a contract with him to

be my actual publisher.

So not only is he printing,

it'll say critical entertainment on my

comic book.

And I love that because one,

he now becomes my editor.

And I've had seen Ambrose out there.

He was the owner of my comic book

shop that I went to.

He helped me with a lot of the

editing after I came out with my issue.

The first time he helped me with lettering

and setting up and then doing some of

the editing.

But he's a comic book shop owner.

And so he was pretty busy.

But shout out to him.

That's Diggers Comics.

Um, and yeah, out in Hemet,

California in the farmland out there in

Southern California.

He's amazing.

One of the best comic book shops you

could find in Southern California.

Um, but he helped me out a lot.

And, uh, but you know, Chris brings,

cause he's a publisher and,

He brings in an editorial team that's

definitely top notch.

So he helped me out a lot.

And then because I was lettering on my

own, all self-taught,

that first round of Kingsville,

God bless all those people that backed it

the first time.

Thank you so much, man.

But as you opened it, you probably like,

holy crap,

who did the lettering on this thing, man?

It was me.

It was me.

Yeah, it was me.

So I did get better at it.

But to have a professional letter in,

I mean,

lettering is as important as your artist.

And so coming to Critical Entertainment,

their letter for most of their comics is

a professional named Travis Lanham.

And Travis has worked for DC, for Marvel,

for Image.

He does everything for Critical

Entertainment.

The guy's been lettering for...

fifteen to twenty years top notch letterer

so one you know fixing the story to

make sure that flows really well making

any kind of error corrections and then

obviously re-lettering it re-formatting it

so it prints perfect like all these things

I didn't have I was doing on my

own as an indie creator and I thought

I did decent like my next issues were

much better than that first one but to

have a pro that's going through it there's

a lot of and that's the one that

you sent me right correct that's the done

one

That thing is beautiful.

Top to bottom.

I love it.

Yeah, it came out so good, man.

I mean, I'll be honest,

I'm very happy with the artist that I

have.

His name's Dan Zay.

He's a young,

twenty-five-year-old artist out of Moscow,

Russia.

That's awesome.

He just got married, man.

Just a cool cat, man.

Just a really good dude.

I think he's only on Facebook,

and you can follow him at Dan underscore

Zay,

and you can see some of the stuff

that he's posted there.

But he's not a big social media guy.

Pretty shy guy.

So you'll see on my Kickstarter,

I have a picture of him.

I'm like, Dan, give me a picture.

He gives me a picture of him taking

a picture of himself.

So he's hiding behind the camera.

So really tough to get that guy on

a picture, but I talk to him often.

He's a good dude.

But so the art I think looks great.

And then just the new lettering,

just take it to another level.

It does.

It all looks so good.

And if anybody out there is worried about

it coming out like the first time,

you have nothing to worry about.

It looks amazing.

And yeah,

You have to get this book, y'all.

It's phenomenal.

It reads good.

It flows good.

Dope covers.

What's not to love about this book?

Great story.

I absolutely love this story.

And I'm actually kind of rooting for

Rodrigo.

He pulls his head out of his ass

and realizes what's going on.

But yeah.

Yeah.

If anybody out there is on the fence

about this book,

don't be on the fence about it.

Jump in and support somebody who has

supported the indie comics for the better

part of five years now.

I appreciate that.

So, Tommy, you've spent hundreds –

of episodes sitting where i'm sitting

talking with everyone from independent

creators trying to make their first book

to some of the biggest names in comics

why have all those conversations taught

you about what separates the creators who

build something lasting from everybody

else

Yeah, I mean,

that's such a tough question, man.

You have a lot of amazing indie creators.

And really,

it's a lack of distribution and a lack

of eyes.

There is some incredible indie stuff out

there that has not been seen by the

vast majority of comic book fans.

And if they...

were able to take ten to fifteen percent

of what they're spending every wednesday

in the comic shop and go to kickstarter

and back some of these i think you'll

be blown away by the talent that is

out there um so when you when you

look at you know some of these like

we we probably set aside like the jeff

johns and the tom mcfarland that's those

are unicorns right those are unicorns in

the industry yeah especially those two

those two to be your

Yeah.

Those are as big as it gets.

Right.

I mean, yeah.

My favorite writer of all time, dude.

Everything he's doing.

Like if you go back and watch when

I was doing new comic book day and

that kind of stuff,

when he put ghost machine out,

I was that guy,

probably one of the first guys out there

go in.

If you're not on board with Ghost Machine

right now,

you're cheating yourself out of some of

the best work being done anywhere in comic

books.

Yeah.

And I'm happy to say I was one

of those first guys.

Yeah.

No, Ghost Machine is amazing.

If you're not reading Rook Exodus,

if you're not reading Geiger,

if you're not reading like there's so many

good titles.

They just released like the trillion

dollar kid.

Yeah.

Issue two just came out.

Yeah.

Yep.

It's insane, man.

And the world that they're building is top

notch.

And if you look at the team that

makes up ghost machine,

it's literally like watching an all-star

game, man.

It's the best artists and writers in the

entire industry to come together because

they wanted to own something themselves.

And one of the best letters to do

it.

Oh, honey.

Yeah.

Rob is in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, it's incredible.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was like the moment I seen who

that team was compromised of or comprised

of, I was like,

I don't care what they make.

They can do color in boats.

I'm buying every color in boat they do.

Will I color in it?

No, because they did it.

Yeah, exactly.

It's so good.

So what I would say is exposure is

probably one of the biggest things that

Sepsaray – again,

and I –

And I'm part of this.

Right.

So as an indie creator,

there's some bad stuff out there.

And I was part of that.

My first issue, I'm embarrassed, man,

to have them out there because it was

not great.

Right.

So the people that back that because they

they saw me with this passion and they

wanted to back it.

I mean, thank you so much.

You you helped kickstart a passion.

That is now where I'm at now being

picked up by a publisher.

So without you, I wouldn't be here.

And so I appreciate that.

But also, you know,

getting exposure to some of these creators

is probably what separates them from

others.

And again,

I don't know the right path for exposure.

You know, if you look at Todd McFarlane,

he has a shoebox of two or three

hundred rejection letters before he ever

got his letter or he got a job.

Malibu.

Malibu.

Yep.

So if you but he talks about this,

he kept every single rejection letter.

So it's literally a shoebox to open up

and he'll go through him.

You could go to a podcast and see

him kind of going through that.

It took a long time for him.

And this is in the seventies when he

was doing this.

Right.

Which I don't know if it was.

I mean,

we're about to get what spawned seventy

seven.

Yes,

we're getting that at the end of the

year, which is going to be insane, man.

It looks so dope.

Oh, dude, it looks so good.

I mean,

Matt Rosenberg has kind of taken over

Spawn and King Spawn.

And then Erica Schultz has taken over

Gunslinger, which is free a lot of time.

Erica Schultz is one of the reasons why

I'm going to small press that spell next

month.

Because she was at GalaxyCon here in...

I got my thoughts and opinions on that,

but we'll leave that for another time.

But the only reason I went is to

see and get both signed by Erica.

Yeah.

And I was, you know,

she was just sitting there and nobody's

walking up to her and talking to her.

So I'm like, like, this is Erica Schultz.

I'm like,

she literally just finished one of the

best daredevil runs,

red band additions that's ever been on the

shelf.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm like,

Please.

And then I bought a bunch of her

books as well,

some of her older indie stuff.

Yeah.

She's one of the nicest people that you'll

ever meet.

I talk to her once in a while.

I just talked to her about three weeks

ago.

I've had her on several times.

One of my favorite people just to talk

to.

She is one of the most pleasant people

you'll ever meet, man.

And this is what made me really just

go, she's a real one.

Yeah.

Back when I was doing New Comet,

I would post the pictures and stuff like

that, and I left off her...

I can't remember if it was her letter

or her penciler.

I forgot who it was.

I forgot them.

Not intentionally.

It just wasn't listed in...

who did the book.

So it wasn't on purpose,

but she straight called me out.

She's like, if you're going to do this,

you have to list everybody.

And you, you miss this person.

I was like, I can assure you,

I didn't do it on purpose.

They just weren't listed on the website.

I apologize.

And then I tagged them the proper way.

And I was just like,

She's a real one.

Oh yeah.

You know, that's all.

I mean,

I love to hear those kinds of things

because so much goes into putting a comic

book together.

So obviously the writers get a lot of

the shine as they should.

It's their story.

The artists obviously get a lot of shine

because that's what brings that story to

life with the panels.

But man,

you could have those two things and never

get a comic book done.

There's so much that goes into putting a

comic book together.

So I love it when you have a

creator who,

That isn't their head.

Isn't so blown up by what they've been

able to accomplish that they realize their

success depends on a team.

And that team is extremely important.

I mean, you want to hear that.

Like I knew who that person was that

I left off and I was just like,

okay, respect them.

I'm going to do redo everything I've been

doing and do it the right way.

Yeah.

She's awesome, man.

I love her.

She's amazing.

But yeah, she was amazing.

But she's the one that told me it

was like, Hey,

if you're into indie comics,

she should really check out this

convention.

I was like, I will do that.

And then I realized it's just right up

the road from me.

So I was like, this is even better.

This is a, you know,

a day trip for me.

And if I wanted to come back,

I could,

but it's only a two day event with

the Ignatz on Saturday night.

I think it's nine thirty p.m.,

which I'm like,

I'm going to stay and I'm going to

cover that.

Of course,

I'm not going to just miss that.

And so, yeah,

she's she's she's a real one, man.

And like,

Her X-Twenty-Three stuff.

Yeah.

Also, just phenomenal.

Yeah, yeah.

But did becoming the guy actually trying

to write, produce, crowdfund,

and sell his own comic change the way

you interview other creators about theirs?

I mean,

certainly you have a lot more respect.

So remember,

I went into this because I wanted to

learn.

So I felt like the premise for the

–

The podcast was,

although a little selfish because I wanted

to learn, it did, I think,

come from a decent place because I wasn't

going in trying to pick sides or to

pick apart anything.

I really just wanted to learn.

And what I found for me is it

was satisfying because you allow that

person that you have on to shine.

And so ever since then,

that's the podcast, man.

You come on.

I don't care who you are.

Come on.

You want to talk about your book.

Do you remember your first?

Oh, yes.

Tony.

Tony Cottrell.

He is the owner of Admin Comics.

Okay.

He will be at Small Press Expo,

I believe.

Or Baltimore.

He'll be at Baltimore because he lives in

Baltimore.

Baltimore, yeah.

You should go check out his stuff.

No, he's on my list.

Him?

Yeah.

Of course,

I'm going to go see Ignition Press.

Yeah, Ignition's awesome.

Those guys are amazing.

There's a few more.

I'm slowly building my list in Advents on

there, so that's really cool.

Tony is one of the – he just

retired, I think, last year,

maybe the year before.

Time is flying by,

but he was a fireman for many years.

Okay.

He's been in publishing for fifteen,

so he just celebrated his fifteenth year.

of advent comics he puts he puts out

the cosmos which is this crazy sci-fi like

mega crisis on earth style story and he

has all these smaller um characters that

he's developed he's also printed and uh

distributed other writers who have written

for advent like he's

I mean,

he's so well-respected as he should be in

the industry,

especially on the indie side.

So he was my very first one,

and you can go and watch it on

my channel.

It's pretty rough probably watching me

trying to fumble through it.

Dude, I know my first one was horrible.

Probably the first forty were horrible,

man.

And then when I had Todd on,

I was so nervous.

Dude, I can imagine.

Yeah, I don't even remember half of it,

man, because I was so excited.

He means a lot to me.

To so many of us.

So many.

I truly, between him and Jeff Johns,

but mainly Todd only because he's so

outgoing, so vocal.

With the loss of Stan Lee,

I think he's kind of the guy for

the industry.

That's just my personal opinion.

You could disagree.

For me,

he means that much to the industry.

When he talks, people listen.

Obviously,

he ruffles feathers because he's going to

tell you exactly how he feels.

But when you have forty years in comics,

you probably have some authority.

It doesn't mean you're right all the time,

but you have at least the authority to

be able to say what you really feel.

And you can take it for what you

want, but he has that right.

And for him to accomplish what he's

accomplished in comic books and to kind of

be an indie toy maker and change the

way toys are made.

Like Mattel,

Hasbro have changed the way they go,

the way they produce and distribute toys.

action figures because of what Todd did to

the industry.

He took something with zero articulation,

not a whole lot of defined elements in

the face and the arms and the muscle.

A lot of them use the very same

mold for several characters because it was

cheaper.

And at that time,

No one knew anything different.

So we were all excited about those.

And then Todd comes and it looks exactly

like the person.

He changed the entire game.

And so you look at where he's at

today and what he's accomplished.

I mean, Mayfax,

you could go through all these toy

companies that have done really well.

I don't know if those toy companies are

where they're at today without toys.

No,

they would still not have joints and

knees.

And the only articulation would be in the

arms and the hips.

yeah yeah exactly yeah so i mean i

i have a lot of respect for him

i went on a little tangent again sorry

but no no yeah but i think exposure

is probably the biggest thing that indie

people need that's that's the major thing

that i think separates from some of the

big names from some of the indie creators

because there's some good stuff out there

right now dude it is they're so good

like

Between the two of us,

anybody out there can go and find six

hundred different ones.

Well, we share some interviews in common,

but still between our two channels,

there's probably six hundred creators that

you can go right now.

And discover.

I'll tell you one that if you don't

have,

you're making a huge mistake as a comic

book fan.

Now, it leans more toward the horror,

but the creator,

his name is Newton Lalavos.

And if you go on Kickstarter and you

check him out,

he has a Kickstarter for Crescent City

Monsters.

It just started last week, I think, right?

Yes.

I'm going to look it up.

Crescent City Monsters.

And it is beyond phenomenal, man.

Beyond phenomenal.

It's insane how good this is.

The artist, and I'm losing his name,

he's from the Philippines.

When he first created the comic book,

he did it as a grayscale.

Let me see if I can find...

I don't remember how to spell his last

name.

I don't know if you can see it

on your side.

No,

I mean you can share the screen if

you want to though.

Like if you want to like bring it

up, I can share it.

Yeah, give me a second.

Here it is.

So I'm going to bring it up.

I'll share it just so you can kind

of see it.

That book is phenomenal.

I see it every day.

It's on my watch list right now.

Yeah,

so you got to get the first four

issues.

Yeah, that thing is so amazing.

The art is absolutely sick.

I mean,

it's just so insane how good this is.

Let me go down here, the team,

because I need to call out the art.

Here he is right here, man.

Yeah, Giancarlo Bernal,

one of the best artists in indies that

you will ever find.

He's from the Philippines,

one of the nicest people you'll ever find.

But just check out the art, man.

These are some of the covers that you

could get.

But look at this grayscale.

So when he first came out,

it was only grayscale,

and I think he did

sticking with gray cell with this,

but he has another, um,

title that he has added color,

like red for blood and stuff like that.

Just phenomenal, man.

I don't sit in city, you know,

that crime North.

Definitely like a crime noir.

This story takes place in like around the

new one.

He's a wise acre, man.

So why is the acre backed it?

Um, he's not, he has his own, uh,

brand that he has for his own comic

books.

But, um, yeah, I mean,

Wiseacre is another one.

Dude, that's my boy right there.

Frederick.

Here's Newton right here.

Yeah.

Follow him.

Just an amazing guy, man.

Dude,

if you're not reading Magnus from

Wiseacre.

Yes.

Oh, so good, man.

You're cheating yourself.

I just had him on, too.

I'm bringing the whole team on in October.

Good.

The international side of Wise Acres is

going to be on in October.

That's going to be a really fun show.

So good, man.

I mean, look at this.

The art from Giancarlo is next level.

One of my favorite artists in indie.

But this is someone,

like if you're an indie fan,

you need to pick this up, man.

It's just, it's insane.

Look at that cover A right there, man.

Yeah, look at that.

This is sick, man.

This is Giancarlo right here.

This is a cover B right here.

This is the Sinner's Homage.

And then I believe up here was –

That's the cover A right there.

Right there, yeah.

Dude, that is so cool.

Giancarlo as well.

Just so well – Newton is such a

good writer, man.

Such a good writer.

So, yeah,

you definitely should get this and get the

first four issues as well.

I've had Newton on several times.

One of the nicest people you'll ever meet.

But he's good.

Wiseacre.

I think Wiseacre has something too.

Or they have something coming up.

Something coming up.

It's coming up.

Yeah, nothing right now.

I think he's got another Magnus coming up

here soon.

Yep, you got that.

You have Concrete Comics,

which is another one of my favorites, man.

Who else, man?

There's just so many good ones that you

should be looking at.

I don't know if anybody out there has

read Western,

but I just had those guys on here,

Sean McBee and MJ.

That book is amazing.

I got a

A whole stack of indie comics sitting

right behind me that are yet to be

opened.

It happens, man.

It goes fast, bro.

I have so many as well.

But yeah, just really, really good stuff.

You should be checking it out.

There is another group here in Texas.

They're out of Austin.

Let me find all the information real quick

so I say everything correctly.

I met them.

So where I live,

I live in New Braunfels.

And New Braunfels is in between Austin and

San Antonio.

We have the New Braunfels Comic Con every

year.

And we get some pretty cool indie folks

there.

And they're called Homebrewed Comics.

And I had Chris and then Dan Price

is my buddy who lives in Austin.

Um, he has a, a fun, amazing,

it's pretty gruesome.

It's called, um,

Bigfoot knows karate and it's so good.

He's an artist and writer,

but they're called home brood.

Another group,

like I could go on and on.

Probably you can do creators that you

should be reading.

Um,

there's just a lot of good stuff out

there, man.

It really is, man.

And,

But that's why we do what we do,

right?

Is that we want to get these names

and this work out in front of as

many people as we humanly can.

And then the stuff that Critical

Entertainment and the Indie Comic Alliance

is doing is that kind of next evolution

of what this is.

And it's like we were discussing

beforehand.

I told Chris, like,

The day,

I think I'm pretty sure it was the

day after he announced the Indie Comic

Alliance.

I was like, dude,

whatever USDN can help push this agenda,

I will push it.

And he's like, oh, you want to come?

let me come on and like, dude, yeah,

let's do it.

Check out some of the brands,

check out some of the brands that the

Indie Comic Alliance has been able to

coalesce around to help with distribution

because of the whole debacle that happened

with Diamond, right?

A lot of independents went bankrupt or

they just can't afford to do any more

because they're sitting on their comics

and they haven't been paid and they can't

get their comics back.

It's really bad.

But anyways,

and it wasn't even only that either.

It's, it's, um,

The... Shit,

I forgot where I was going with this,

but... With Diamond?

Not Diamond,

but the distribution side of the thing.

It's like people like Coffin who do...

Was it Lady Death, I think?

Oh, Lady Death.

Yeah, Coffin Comics.

Yeah, they're awesome too.

They do their own crowdfunding campaign.

They created their own website,

everything to do their own independent

crowdfunding.

And then we lost Zen Scope.

Yeah.

It's been around for years and years and

years.

They're now on Kickstarter.

Kickstarter and they're both because of

it.

Yeah.

So there's so many.

I mean, there's Ripaverse, too.

And I mean, they got Chuck Dixon.

If you haven't watched the Nightfall

animated series,

the part one that came out that Jeremy

Adams put together,

another one of my favorite writers that's

writing for D.C.

right now with Green Lantern and Aquaman.

And he's done some one shots of the

penguin and a couple of other stories.

Jeremy is one of the nicest people in

comics and is a really good writer.

He just adapted part one of a three-part

series for Nightfall,

which was originally written with Chuck

Dixon, Graham Nolan,

and one other –

I can't remember his name.

But anyways, phenomenal, man.

And he writes – he has his own,

a bunch of different titles he does,

and then he writes for Ripperverse too.

So anyways,

there's just so many good stuff.

Check this out.

You have Red Five Comics has been around

probably for twenty years.

I just had Alex DeLuca on.

Yes.

Great comic.

He's –

Such a good conversation.

Yes.

I was like, holy hell,

I could sit here for another three, four,

five hours and just talk to Alex.

Yeah.

Cool dude, man.

Yeah.

Bentbox,

have you had a croissant for Bentbox yet?

No, no.

That's another one you need to check out.

Bentbox Comics is absolutely amazing.

We talk about Frederick over at Wise.

Yeah, Frederick Littles.

You know, me and him –

um we crossed paths multiple times

throughout our military careers and never

met each other oh that's crazy because you

just retired what last year i think yeah

yeah last year yeah

You have Distillery, which, you know,

I mean,

Scott Snyder writes for Distillery.

I mean, that's pretty insane.

A lot of people.

And they have, like,

some of the best covers out there from

Tula.

Yep.

And several other – well,

Tula mainly because I just love Tula's

work.

Yes.

Yes.

And she's a great person to talk to

if you ever see her at a convention

as well.

I have not met Tula yet,

so I need to do that.

I need to talk to her.

Her and – what's her name?

The other – I think she's French.

Luana.

I've had Luanna on.

Yeah, she's amazing.

She's another one that I would love to

have on the podcast to talk about

lovesick.

Although we would have to keep it.

I wouldn't be able to really show nothing

from that book.

But the book itself is just so damn

good.

And then when you meet her, you're like,

you are a sick young lady.

Yeah.

good stuff out there but it really is

but the book itself was amazing i love

lovesick and the second part of lovesick

hopefully there's a third you know because

in like i love her covers um there's

a lot of really really good like female

artists out there and writers out there

right now that are just absolutely killing

it and we're just talking kickstarters

right now we're not even like that's not

even a part of this conversation yeah yeah

but um it's true though

But the last couple of years,

Steph Williams, man.

Holy shit.

Stephanie Williams, absolutely killing it.

I'm happy to say I was one of

the first people to go,

if y'all aren't watching and paying

attention to Stephanie Williams,

you're wrong.

And then shortly after I had that

conversation with Jeff Carroll,

all of a sudden she's like, Eisner,

award nominee.

And I was like...

We literally just called it.

There's so much good stuff out there, man.

So much good stuff.

I'm glad we're talking about this part of

it because you are now part of Critical

Entertainment and their lineup.

What did you have to kind of learn

or unlearn to get from that first

crowdfunding campaign to now this stage of

the book?

Yeah,

I will say when you're a podcaster and

you're having people on,

you're marketing the people that you have

on quite a bit.

So when you try to market something on

your own, it's really hard to do.

Right.

Because.

It's a lot of information that you're

throwing out there into the ethers of

TikTok and Instagram and Blue Sky and X.

And it's just a lot of information you're

bombarding people with.

I will say it makes it a little

bit harder to be super successful in

crowdfunding because you're constantly

trying to support others who are

crowdfunding.

And you got to be careful in your

messaging because you certainly don't want

to just sound like a...

a two in the morning guy trying to

sell tape that stops leaks right like

that's fun one or two times but then

it just like i was trying to sell

me another book so i i would say

that makes it a little bit more difficult

just because you're constantly talking

about other people and i mean even right

now right i'm on here for my comic

i get so excited about what other people

are doing and that's okay it is what

it is man i don't care to be

quite we can't stop who we

are at the end of the day i

mean we're two dudes who literally talk

about independent comics on a daily weekly

basis and you put two dudes who do

this kind of thing on a our job

basically you know it just becomes a part

of it and it was one of those

where and i told you beforehand i

I was like,

you literally have helped so many books

get funded.

And I'm like,

if I can help him get funded,

as I've done many others throughout there,

I'm like,

I'm going to do my fucking part.

There's just no way I can just let

this not get funded.

I appreciate you, man.

That's awesome, bro.

I appreciate it, man.

But yeah.

It's one of those.

It's cool, man.

And I love the fact that you're with

Critical Entertainment and Chris Rita and

the Indie Comic Alliance.

It's like a perfect fit for you, man.

I appreciate it.

I agree, man.

I agree.

I love it.

I mean, Chris is just...

literally one of the most holy so smart

super smart but just a genuinely good guy

he's not looking to get rich he loves

comic books and he he sees an opportunity

from what took place with diamond again

massive comics came in and they helped out

a lot of indie but they they're a

little expensive so it's really hard you

want to at least break even as an

indie creator

with distribution and unfortunately right

every anytime you go into distribution

right you have the publisher if you're

working through a publisher that has to

have their cut you have the distributor

that has to have their cut it costs

money to bring in comics to ship comics

out right and then the comic shop

has to make at least fifty percent on

your comic book.

So if you're buying a comic book for

three ninety nine,

just realize the creator is probably

getting sixty cents of that because you

have a lot of people in between.

And so Chris realized that obviously he

was hurt by the diamond thing, too.

Not as bad as others.

So he is working with Thomas Chow,

who is one of the biggest comic book

printing companies in Korea.

yeah in the world i mean he does

idw he does boom he does some image

once in a while he does a bunch

of other stuff as well and then in

korea where he um is headquartered he does

a ton of manhwa which is like manga

um for the korean market and me and

uh chris went to a nice long discussion

on about that part of it with uh

k-tunes k-tune comics is the name of that

that

Critical Entertainment and Thomas are

doing together and bringing Manwa to the

States and making what is predominantly a

electronic-only e-comic into now

paper-printed

comics similar to what um dark horse has

done in the past with some of the

uh manga out there and i think mad

cave does it really well now too mad

cave knock them up knock them up press

they're doing the same thing my um my

san diego comic-con

Um, show that I did is on Patreon.

If anybody out there is interested in that

five bucks a month,

there's like seven shows on the network

that you can enjoy shows on there.

But my San Diego comic con breakdown is

on there.

And like, you kind of want to, you,

you pick,

like I tried to focus on indie comics,

right?

Um,

And I flat out said it in that

show multiple times.

It sounded like a walk and talk

advertisement for Mad Cave because I felt

Mad Cave fucking dominated San Diego Comic

Con.

They do such a good job, man.

They really do.

And they got so much great things going

on over there.

And it's not just for people like me

and you, moms and dads,

but teenagers as well.

kids like they have a whole lineup you

know of comic books in yeah maverick just

yeah maverick yeah you're just toward the

little ones and i was like dude this

is so cool they came in they've been

building you can tell they've had this

plan laid out and then they walked in

and just execute it and i was like

find somebody else who did just did what

they did over a weekend yeah

You're not going to find one that weekend.

I mean,

Mark London is the founder and also a

writer, writes amazing comics.

I've got to be careful because I've gotten

to know him really well,

and he's helped me a lot.

So I won't go into details,

but genuinely one of the nicest people in

comics.

And I got to see him when I

was in San Diego and got to talk

and give him a big hug.

He's on my list of people to talk

to at Baltimore.

Okay, yeah.

If you need help,

I know him quite well.

Him and Ignition and a few others.

Ignition books are amazing, too.

I mean, they're great.

They're doing some fantastic work, right?

They came out of nowhere, just, yeah.

Hey, I'll say this.

I was saying that years ago when I

first started,

they were having those Wednesdays and

Tuesdays pop up in comic shops.

I was like,

why is nobody paying attention to this?

This book is great.

Yeah.

And then like this year, really this year,

it was just like, boom,

look at what we're doing.

I'm just like, hold it.

So cool, man.

But you've spent years talking to creators

at every level of comics from everything

you've experienced on both sides of this

microphone.

What's still the biggest barrier between

making a great independent comic and

actually getting it in front of readers?

I mean, resources is a big one.

You know,

a lot of people want to create their

own comic book.

Resources is one of the biggest reasons

why an independent comic book fails.

If you don't have a good artist,

unfortunately,

when it comes to comic books,

it's the art that's going to attract

people first.

The story will keep them for the second

and third,

and fourth issue,

but it's going to be the art that

attracts people at the beginning.

So you got to have a pretty good

artist.

Again, lettering,

we talked about that lettering is so

important.

When lettering is bad, it kind of ruins,

even if it's a good story,

it just kind of ruins the experience.

But so I would say resources is the

biggest one.

And then we talked about it already,

exposure.

When you do have the resources,

you are able to put a lot of

really good stuff together.

Not everybody's great at marketing.

yeah that's the hardest part to be in

front of a camera and this is a

lot of uncomfortableness unfortunately you

have to do those things in order to

get out there because it's a very crowded

even though it's very small in the grand

scheme of things in our little world of

independent there's a lot of people trying

to create something and it's crowded so

how do you stand apart and there's not

a lot of us to do things like

this

No, there's not.

There's not.

So yeah,

I would say those are the things.

Resources and exposure are the two biggest

things that separate someone from creating

a comic that's successful as an indie and

getting in front of people.

And that's why when you look at,

you could read something that you're like,

how did Marvel or DC or image create

something like this?

This was not a good comic book.

Well,

they got the resources and they got the

marketing and they could afford to have

something that maybe didn't work out the

name.

Right.

So yeah,

those are really important and you have to

have resources,

understand what it's going to cost you,

um, to get into this.

If you're,

if you're spending under a thousand,

unless you're,

you're an artist already and you're going

to be able to do it like DJ

Wide Rick,

who I think you've had on too.

Um, no, I had, um,

You got to have DJ on.

Cool dude, man.

Up and coming artist.

He just had his first issue of Glitch

come out,

which I just got in the mail,

which is awesome.

So I missed out on the campaign,

but I did get the book.

Okay.

Well, issue two is about to go again.

I told him, issue two,

let me know ahead of time and –

he yeah because i think i actually have

issue one sitting over there yeah and uh

but yeah no like the moment i seen

that book in that kickstarter and i was

just like i want this guy on and

i i don't do that often i'm not

one to like i don't have to right

i get approached daily for books i have

like three emails actually waiting for me

after the show to respond back to yeah

and um and it's great it's a great

position to be in and i love being

in the position i'm in to be able

to do this and to give back to

the creators but um yeah there's certain

creators that i i just absolutely want to

have on it's just timing is everything

right so yeah yeah a hundred percent man

So we're entering the final stretch of

this campaign.

For somebody who's just discovering

Kingsville through this conversation,

what are they helping you accomplish back

in issue one?

Well, I hope, you know,

first and foremost,

I hope when they see the campaign and

they see the art and they see the

cover and they understand a little bit of

the story, that it touches them, right?

It's got to touch you or it's not

for you.

So I get that, man.

My comic might not be for everybody, so...

Check out the campaign.

Check out the storyline.

Check out the art.

Look at everything and see if it's for

you.

So I would start for there.

But by backing this,

what you're doing is allowing me to move

on to issue two, re-letter that.

Issue three, re-letter that.

And also make all the proper corrections

through Critical Entertainment so they're

prepared.

So when issue one hits the market in

January...

A month and a half later,

we could come in with issue two,

issue three.

And I'm currently working on issue four

with Dan right now,

which should finish the first arc.

And then we'll go to like a trade

and then we'll see what comes after that.

Yeah.

So you're,

you're helping me keep things moving

forward.

And,

Every indie person that's doing a

Kickstarter,

they're just trying to offset some of

their losses so that there's some funding

so they can move on to the next

issue.

So that's no different for any of us,

man.

Like I said,

three to five thousand dollars to do your

own comic book.

Unless you're a DJ Wide Rick and you

have a skill set to be able to

do interiors on your own and your own.

Yeah, his interiors were like phenomenal.

Yeah.

So I don't have that skill set.

So I need an artist, man.

So I got my artist.

Yeah, yeah.

And to be honest, I needed a letterer.

And I was doing it on my own.

I could continue to do that and continue

to get better.

But if it's going to go into a

comic book shop through a distributor,

it should be done professionally.

And, you know,

you're paying probably fifteen to twenty

five dollars a page for a good letterer.

um so just to give you an idea

man you have to negotiate on art i

don't even want to say an artist's cost

to give anybody any kind of idea of

oh i could get it for that cheap

or is that expensive um but yeah it

all adds up man you're talking three to

five thousand dollars so you're helping me

offset the next issue um by backing this

and hopefully you love it enough that

you'll want to come back and again

Kickstarter for me is my second comic book

shop.

I have my comic book shop.

I hit it every Wednesday.

And in between that I'm on Kickstarter and

that's kind of my E E comic shop.

And, uh, you know,

I've backed close to three hundred, uh,

so far.

And, uh, I love it.

I'm a super backer and you still got

me blown out of the water.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm definitely a super backer, man.

I back a lot of stuff and I

love it because I get exposed to so

many cool stories, man.

Yeah.

I'm with you.

And,

I can't always back people who come on

the podcast, and I wish I could.

I mean, again,

I make zero dollars doing this.

I am not monetized in any sort of

way, any sort of fashion.

I have some affiliate links,

so if anybody's interested in that,

they're always listed down in the

description.

But again,

unless those affiliate links are clicked

so many times,

I'm not seeing any money off of that.

So anything that I do is out of

my pocket from my day job.

So I still always try to give back

and I will always continue to try to

give back to the community that I love

to be a part of.

And I mean, you don't back three hundred,

you know,

get starters and not care about

you know,

what we do in independent comics.

So, but, um, and I've said this earlier,

I've already backed.

I appreciate it.

Um,

and I already kind of like we talked,

I'm not going to give everybody here the

discussion that we had about that here,

but I'm, I'm already in on it, dude.

A hundred percent in.

But for the person watching who has the

Kickstarter open right now,

I hope they do because that link is

down in the description below.

Convince everybody right now.

Give them that sales pitch on why they

should absolutely back Kingsville.

Yeah, absolutely, man.

I mean, so the comic itself,

it kind of drops you into this conspiracy

where the Alliance of Global Safety brands

itself as heroes while quietly really

strong-arming and holding hostage this

small island nation called Kingsville,

who has found this rare mineral that

could...

fuel super human growth,

super human development.

Now they don't have the capability to do

it their own.

They're selling it to AGS or the Alliance

for Global Safety.

And they're the ones creating these super

humans.

And right now they're building this army

What's on the outside looks like they're

helping nations by stopping crime and

every nation that joins it gets one of

these superhumans.

But internally,

what they're doing is they're creating

this superhuman team that will ensure that

they stay in power for the long term.

And you're seeing kind of the politics and

the.

The frustration that's taking place

between two scientists that started this

program and one of the scientists named

Rodrigo is starting to have second

thoughts that maybe they're not doing the

right thing.

And there's a little bit of regret.

So now he's withholding information to

A.G.S.,

which you'll start to see in further

issues.

They start to get an idea something's up

with this guy and you can see the

tension starting to build.

And then once we get to issue four,

you'll see that it kind of explodes.

Actually, in issue three,

there's there's quite a bit of.

I got to be careful on YouTube to

say this,

but a lot of people getting deleted

because more and more people are starting

to understand what's truly going on.

If you like that kind of stuff,

this is the comic book for you, man.

If you like understanding the inner

workings of someone who is a madman that

just wants more and more power.

Yeah.

And you start to see people who rise

up against this person.

This is the comic book for you.

I think it's super relatable.

No matter what your political background

is,

nobody wants to see a strong man or

a strong woman in some sort of a

position of power that starts to utilize

that power for their own benefit without

benefiting the people that they're

supposed to represent.

And this is no different, man.

It's, it's great.

It's,

It is straight chaos as you start to

get toward the ending issues of this arc.

And if you like action,

if you like amazing art,

you're going to absolutely love this comic

book.

I'm super proud of it.

We've worked really hard over the last

four years to do it.

And now that it's going to be in

distribution and comic book shops in

January,

February timeframe is when it'll hit

stores.

This Kickstarter allows those people that

get in first to have this before.

It's the same comic book that you'll get

in a comic book shop.

There's nothing different.

You're going to have it four or five

months early.

And when you do it,

there's all kinds of freebies I'm giving

with cool character stickers.

I got all kinds of awesome stickers and

character stickers.

I got the newest thing that just came

in the mail.

is collector's cards that I had developed

with each of the characters.

So if you're a card collector,

I got all kinds of really cool cards

that you'll be able to get that kind

of give a little story of each character

on the back.

Everyone's going to get at least five of

these when they back.

So that's something new that will be added

to the Kickstarter.

And...

My buddy Moose over at Wham Stand.

If you've never heard of Wham Stand,

check him out.

My buddy Moose,

this is my most popular character amongst

fans.

His name's Collapse.

His super power is one being obnoxiously

strong.

and powerful just from a strength

standpoint but you can see he's not the

lightest guy in the world he's pretty slow

but his superpower is he could collapse

into a pool of liquid allowing him to

move fast up and down walls under doors

and then he comes up with this crazy

uppercut and a lot of heads don't remain

on bodies when he does that he's quite

powerful his name is collapse by far my

most popular character just because people

call him the fat invincible i didn't even

realize that when i created the invincible

fan

So there might have been something in the

back of my mind of when I created

it.

Possibly, yeah.

But you can see on his arms,

he's done that uppercut a couple times on

a few people after this picture was taken.

But that is available on the Kickstarter.

And then just the covers alone,

I don't know if I could share my

screen.

No, please, yeah.

Because the covers are gorgeous, man.

I'm super proud of the covers, man.

I actually used the cover that you gave

me.

As the background for the thumbnail as

well.

And I included that,

that cover on there as well.

And I almost got it just right to

where it was like.

You did.

I was like, Oh, I was so close.

I just couldn't get it.

I just couldn't get it.

It's awesome, man.

So here is the,

you can see some of the interiors.

This is page one right here.

You can see Dan's art.

I mean, he does everything.

colors are everything he does.

It comes to me finished and I just

got to add the letters, um,

and the rest of the story.

So I go back and forth with him

quite a bit.

Um, like I said,

the lettering is now done by a

professional in DC and Marvel and image

Travis land him.

Um,

You can see this is when things start

to get a little dicey in issue one.

You see it just build over the next

few issues.

You see Collapse right here.

This is Snapback.

He is kind of the team lead of

these superhumans that AGS has created.

I like him because you can see these

shoulders come out.

They're pointed.

What you can't see in this picture is

it's like a serrated,

almost arrow-shaped piece on his

shoulders.

And his power is one.

He has super strength,

but his power is his arms and legs

could shoot forward like twenty,

thirty feet and snap back.

So his name is Snapback.

He takes these shoulder pads off and wears

them like a glove there.

They're serrated.

They're shaped like an arrow.

So you can imagine as he punches you,

it just kind of goes right through and

comes right back out.

There's some deletion going on.

Yes, there's some deletion going on.

And you can see right here that happens

in this one panel right here.

Here's a great picture of Marissa and

Rodrigo.

They are the ones leading this team of

scientists that are...

that developed this serum called Faradone

that gives superhuman strength to people.

And Rodrigo is the one that's asking a

lot of weird questions like, I'm not sure.

And Marissa's like, dude,

we're doing so much good around the world.

What are you talking about?

So there's a lot of back and forth.

And you'll see maybe that changes as we

get closer toward the end of this first

arc.

Or maybe Marissa takes a stand to kind

of back AGS.

You have to wait and see.

and then we get into the the covers

this is cover a i always have dan

zay my interior artist do the first cover

and you can see dr derrickson which you

see throughout the comic book loves his

cigars loves to sit in his chair behind

his desk and have people come to him

and take orders and this is one scene

of him just sitting there listening to

someone

kind of talking and he just i just

give orders i don't really care what you

have to say on your side but he's

also a pretty good salesman when it comes

to other nations and selling them on the

fact that hey join ags join our movement

i'll stick a super human in your uh

country that will help you out and all

he's doing is expanding his tentacles

around his own reach

Yeah, it's his own reach, right?

This one.

So Jordan Noir is a Canadian artist out

of Toronto.

I've worked with him a couple times.

He's already been picked up by Todd

McFarlane.

So Scorched issue number fifty one.

He did the one in fifty,

which is a cover.

It's an amazing cover.

It's an amazing cover,

and he's doing a bunch of other stuff

for Spawn.

He's done some stuff for IDW and other

things.

He's a big, big fan of Godzilla,

so he's done some of the Godzilla covers.

I think that's – is that IDW that

does Godzilla?

IDW.

Yeah,

so he's done some of those covers too.

So he did this cover.

This is a newer character at the end

of issue one that you'll see on a

billboard.

Her name is Lady Lex-

Um, and, uh, she's pretty phenomenal, man.

Um,

I'm really excited to see in later issues

how she's utilized by AGS.

Um, but she has a pretty unique, um,

she's one of the first super humans that

was actually blended with an insect and

she was blended with the bug called the

kissing bug.

And the kissing bug is a real insect,

especially in the South.

You don't want to get bit by one

of those because you get this bacterial

infection that can definitely cause you to

die, especially if you're younger.

So she's called the kissing bug.

She's very attractive.

People want to get close to her.

You don't want to kiss by this woman

because you won't make it.

So that's really kind of her big power,

almost kind of a poison ivy.

You're attracted to her.

You get too close.

You touch her.

You kiss her.

And all of a sudden,

you're done with her.

This is the cover I used on the

thumbnail because that background right

there was amazing.

So sick.

So sick.

Yeah.

I was like, yeah,

this is the cover right here.

And the green, the way it fades up,

almost like that light is shining up

underneath her.

Yes.

And then, like I said,

I almost got it perfectly lined up when

I did the background and then put the

cover on it.

yeah for sure man i gotta give a

shout out to macy which is jordan's

girlfriend um she did all the uh colors

she does a lot of colors for jordan

in his work so they are a dynamic

duo you're gonna see a lot from both

of them um because they've already been

picked up by todd he's gonna do some

stuff i'm sure for top cow probably

skybound and he's gonna be picked up by

other people so i'm just glad to top

cow they just did uh they just what

was it um yeah their art uh contest

They just chose their winner.

Out of twelve hundred people that

submitted, one person got it.

They're also now under that image umbrella

as well.

What's that comment?

They do Darkness,

which is one of my favorites.

I'm a big Spawn guy.

Witchblade.

Those are Mark Silvestri's titles that

have been around a long time.

They're amazing.

One of them just started a new number

one, I think.

Well,

The Darkness about six months ago started

with a re-new number one to introduce a

new audience.

I think they're on issue seven or eight

now.

I've been getting that on my pull box

because I grew up in the Big Todd

guy, so I'm a Spawn guy,

and I like The Darkness too.

Same, yep.

And Marcel Vestry is just amazing.

He's probably my favorite artist of all

time.

I love his art, man.

This is my DJ Wide Rick cover.

So we were just talking about DJ.

This is my Incredible Hulk,

three forty five homage cover.

If you look at Incredible Hulk three forty

five,

it's Incredible Hulk breaking through the

logo that says Incredible Hulk with pieces

laying all around.

So me and Dedrick were talking and I

was like, dude,

I'm I'm a big Todd fan.

He did this cover of Incredible Hulk for

three forty five.

Can we do a homage with my big,

giant fat guy?

I think they were perfect.

Dude, he killed it, man.

He killed it.

And then Dan and Dave Kemp are legends

in the industry.

They're amazing colorists.

They've worked with Todd for I don't know

how many years doing Spawn and stuff.

So this is Dave Kemp on color.

So it's DJ on art, Dave on color.

So super honored to have Dave on my

comic as well.

So these three covers will be in mass

distribution through Critical

Entertainment, Universal,

and Filabo in January.

So you'll be able to pick these up

at all comic book shops.

All you have to do,

I'll get the FOC as we get closer

to December.

I'll be sharing that.

And then you can pick your cover.

FOC on these are October when the book

hits.

I think it's just like two weeks after

that, I think, is FOC.

And then initial release, I think,

is like mid-January, if I'm not mistaken.

Correct.

Correct.

yes yeah like January thirteenth or

fifteenth something like that whatever

that third second or is it second or

third Wednesday of January I think it's

the second I think it's the second yeah

I think it's the second but it's really

cool because that's going to be the first

releases from the Indie Comic Alliance yes

And it's going to be so freaking cool

to be able to go to my local

comic shop and pick up these books.

I already told my local comic shop,

I'm like, dude,

if you don't get these books...

I'm going to be so damn disappointed.

And I'm like, dude,

I will buy every single one you put

in the store.

Just, you just got to get them here.

Even though I'll probably already own

them.

It's just going to be that much better

for me to walk into my comic shop

and buy those books.

Personally,

I will be buying my own comic book

from my own comic shop.

I'm hoping that I could do a signing

because I have a couple of shops by

me and I'm hoping we can do signing.

Both of them are amazing owners,

so I don't think there'll be an issue,

but I'll definitely be buying my own

comic, man.

I love it.

So then I have two covers that are

Kickstarter exclusive.

And any I have left over,

you'll have to see me at a con

in order to get these because they won't

be in distribution.

And this is by a famous tattoo artist.

He's won multiple awards for tattooing.

And his name is Mike Vanderhoof.

He also is well known for his airbrushing

on tattoos.

um old you know fifty sixty seventy cars

lowrider been a lowrider magazine he's

done a bunch of stuff and he's also

known for his horror art so he does

a lot of art on canvas of horror

characters so he's dabbling into comic

books for the first time and this is

his first cover and then i call this

my tattoo cover and it has snapback and

collapse on there and you can see it

looks like a tattoo his art and then

he designed this background which is kind

of like a bandana

so this one is a kickstart exclusive if

you want it you're gonna have to get

it here and then my other one and

i like to find new artists that i

think are gonna make it one day um

and they're really close and this is

brandon bravo um he's out of africa young

guy amazing artist i'm a big tyler kirkham

fan i collect all of the battle damage

covers

So this is my battle damage homage of

Snapback.

And you can kind of see it's that

side view of the character with blood

dripping off of them because they were

just in battle.

And this is his cover that he did

for me.

This is the battle damage cover.

And this one again is Kickstarter

exclusive.

I do have...

If you just want the Kickstarter

exclusives and you want to get the comic

in comic shops,

you could get the Kickstarter exclusives

as a package as well.

You could get them individually,

or you could get the entire package,

which comes with this wham stand of

Collapse.

With all the collector's cards that you'll

get.

You'll get the whole set of collector's

cards.

You'll get stickers, the whole shebang.

And you can get them all together as

a package for fifty bucks on the

Kickstarter.

And yeah, that's the Kickstarter, man.

I'm going to be honest to everybody out

there.

Fifty bucks and you get

Everything out the door is such an

incredible deal, man.

There's probably another like fifty

dollars worth of free goodies in there.

Oh, yeah.

You know what I usually do and I've

done for every Kickstarter is I have a

lot of doubles because I buy a lot

of comic books.

I have some signed stuff where I have

doubles of that.

Mm hmm.

People will randomly get other comics that

are signed by people as well when they

back my Kickstarter, man.

I always try to do that.

It's a nice surprise.

So I got some extra Erica Schultz stuff,

Jimmy Palmiati stuff.

I got all kinds of extra stuff.

I love Jimmy Palmiati.

His name is just so fun to fucking

say too, Jimmy Palmiati.

And he's part of this dynamic duo with

his wife who's one of the most well-known

–

artist in the world one of the top

female artists in the world and amanda

connor so they they are a kind of

a dynamic duo in comics and they both

have been doing it for forty years i

mean it's insane insane insane yes i mean

i don't know if i could ever afford

i mean it would be an honor to

have one of my female characters done by

one of the top female artists of all

time amanda connor

I don't think I could afford her,

but it would be.

And she's obviously doing bigger and

better things.

But my dream would be to have an

Amanda Connor of one of my female

characters.

Yeah,

that would be quite a few of them.

I have three daughter.

I have one son and three daughters.

And so all my characters are named after

them.

So.

My oldest daughter, who's twenty nine,

is Alexis.

And so this character was designed with

her in mind.

I obviously don't like this middle part

when I'm talking about my daughter.

Nobody was judging you, man.

Well, when I said that, I'm like,

I probably sound really weird.

But this is an artist's rendition of this

character.

And but anyways, that's.

That's it, man.

This is my Kickstarter.

A lot of really cool stuff.

I hope you'll see something that you like

and you go check it out.

I think I have seven days left.

I'm pretty damn close.

Thank you for whoever backed right now.

I appreciate you.

Less than, yeah,

a little more than three hundred bucks to

hit my goal.

And we're so close, man.

It would be amazing to hit this.

And I think you're going to really love

it.

And like I said,

I'm going to throw in some goodies and

all kinds of stuff, too.

I'm a big Todd McFarland collector.

I have over eight hundred figures and I

have extras of those.

So I'll throw in extra figures into the

boxes as well.

Just randomly just to say thank you.

So got to sweeten the deal, man.

That dude, dude.

I have talked to hundreds of people

running Kickstarters and all of the above.

And just, you're just like, Hey,

here's stuff out of my personal stash.

Thank you for helping me get this book

off the ground, which is really dope.

And I'm with you.

I have tons of McFarlane spawn figures.

duplicate star wars stuff granted he

doesn't do star wars yeah but um but

yeah i just i forget what i own

sometimes and i will come across a cell

yeah and i will just buy the figure

that i know i don't have and then

be like i don't remember if i have

that but let me go ahead and grab

one of those as well yeah and then

i'll get home and be like i guess

i had four of those like

Oh, well, my clone army grows.

Yeah, exactly.

I might even throw in this hat.

I mean,

it's kind of gross because I've worn it,

but this is by most of the team

of Ghost Machine.

So, I mean, Jeff Johns, Jason Fabok,

Metall, the Lawrence.

There's a bunch of autographs.

I might even throw this into one of

them as well.

Why not?

I mean, I have extra hats,

but this one's signed.

Yeah.

I got plenty of signatures by all these

folks.

Cause I talked to them a lot and

they're, they're awesome people.

Maybe I'll throw in this hat too.

And you can just hang it on the

wall.

That's a huge hat, man.

That's a, yeah,

that's some of my people that I look

up to.

And I know we said this earlier,

but the guy is doing ghost machine.

And I've said this before,

Probably more times than people care to

hear me say this, but Ghost Machine,

when Jeff Johns put that team together and

all of them having their own rights to

their own stuff, doing their own stories,

working with each other on their own

books.

It was just such a cool concept at

the time.

And it wasn't even that long ago.

And, um,

like two and a half years ago,

two and a half years.

Yeah.

It's insane what they've accomplished.

I can honestly say like,

I can sit down and just read any

of those books,

start to finish front to back.

Yeah.

And not only do I have the books,

I also have the trade paperbacks of all

of them as well.

That's how good they are.

That's how good they are.

A hundred percent, man.

They're, they're amazing.

In fact, somewhere around here,

and I might have to give this away

too.

I have a couple of trades that are

signed.

I have a one signed a sisterhood from

Mattal.

Maybe I'll throw that in there as well.

She come out of nowhere.

She's awesome.

So she was a writer with Jeff.

She was a writer with Jeff at the

W was it the,

when he was doing Stargirl.

She was on that team as one of

the writers.

I didn't know that.

I didn't know who she was.

All of a sudden, she dropped Sisterhood.

I was like,

who in the hell is this?

I will tell you,

I talk to her quite often.

She is one of the nicest...

I watched your episode with her.

I think your very first episode you did

with her.

I love her.

I got to hang out with her for

a while at San Diego.

I've had her on a couple times now.

I talk to her once in a while.

She's just...

Like, I just love her.

She's one of my favorite people in the

world.

But she's fairly new to comics,

but she's not new to writing.

Yeah.

And so she – and she killed it.

I mean,

she's part of that whole Hyde Street with

Sisterhood kind of falls into Hyde Street.

Hyde Street is phenomenal.

So good.

So good.

God bless.

Which I'm glad you brought up Stargirl

with Geoff Johns because I just had met

B on.

Oh, yeah.

Not that long ago.

Him and MJ.

Yeah.

And I think that book I should –

I'll be getting it this week, I think.

I think I got the update today saying,

but McBee worked on Stargirl.

He was the lore guy for Stargirl.

Which is funny.

That's Jeff's character, right?

I think Jeff developed Stargirl.

It is.

So he worked with Jeff Johns to help

Jeff Johns keep the lore of his own

character.

It is so cool.

That's like...

I love these really cool full circle

moments where you don't realize you're

about to get that full circle moment that

we just got,

which is really freaking cool.

And it's cool that she worked on Stargirl.

I did not know that.

So, but Tommy,

before we adjourn the council tonight,

where can everybody follow you?

Keep up with world at war comics.

And most importantly tonight,

get their asses over the Kickstarter and

back this book.

Yes.

So you could follow me at World at

War Comics on every platform.

It's the same name.

Thank you.

I appreciate that, Dean.

Yeah.

And that's cool, man.

So not to go on a tangent,

but my my YouTube channel got hacked.

Yeah.

I was wondering where you were, too,

because I hadn't seen you for a while.

Very stressful.

And, you know, YouTube,

there's no one to call.

So it's just bots until you finally get

an email from someone.

So I have been going back and forth.

They did restore it.

I still can't connect it to StreamYard,

but I'm back.

So I got hacked from someone from

Bangladesh.

and so they found out who it was

they removed that person they removed

whatever they were posting or i don't know

what happened but anyways i'm back i

didn't do anything wrong everybody i

promise i my channel's not like that so

i am back but if you go on

to any platform from blue sky to instagram

to x to i'm all world at war

comics everywhere i have a website called

world at warcomics.com um and then

obviously my youtube channel is world at

war comics where like you um you know

two to three times a week,

I'm bringing on people and interviewing

them and exposing people to their amazing

talents.

So yeah, World at War comics everywhere.

Keep forgetting I got a mechanical

keyboard, so every time I type,

everybody gets to hear me type.

No, you're good, bro.

You're good, you're good.

Yeah, Tommy.

Before I call out...

Anything else you want to get out there

before we start closing this down?

No, I mean,

get over to Kingsville if you like what

I shared tonight about the story,

and it seems like something that could be

interesting to you.

The best way to get involved is to

back the Kickstarter.

You'll get it before anybody else gets it

next year when it goes in the shop,

so you'll be able to hold that.

It's the exact same comic,

published by Critical Entertainment,

produced

Printed by Critical Entertainment.

You're just going to get it before

everyone else gets it.

And you got a couple opportunities to get

two amazing covers that are Kickstarter

exclusive.

So check it out, man.

I'm super proud of what we've been able

to accomplish with this title.

And all the random stuff they could

possibly get.

I'm telling you,

I'm going to throw in a bunch of

stuff.

So check it out, man.

I got autographs.

I got toys.

I'm going to hook you up, man.

So get in there.

Check it out.

I promise somebody will get something

extra, man.

I promise.

Perfect.

And all those links that he just mentioned

right now are down in the description

below.

And I have been sharing the hell out

of this Kickstarter.

So I'll see it in the description.

You can go to my page and you

can find that link just about anywhere

because we're not stopping until this book

is funded.

And, um,

With that, check the description,

hit that link.

While you're there,

hit his link tree and go give all

those other links a follow as well.

And if you're not following us,

make sure you do that too because,

you know, you're here.

You might as well give me a follow,

right?

Yeah, you're already here.

But Tommy,

thank you for joining us tonight,

for sharing the story behind Keensville

and for everything you've done to give

creators across this industry a place to

tell their stories.

And to everyone watching or listening

tonight, I'm going to leave you with this.

Independent comics don't survive.

because somebody else comes along and

decides they're worth supporting.

They survive because we decide they are

worth supporting.

I am already a backer of Kingsville issue

number one.

And if something you heard tonight

connected with you, I'm asking you,

please go have a look at this book.

And if you decide you want to be

a part of it, this book as well.

And if you've already backed it, share it.

And if backing it isn't possible right

now,

put Keensville in front of somebody who

might discover their next favorite comic

because you introduced them to it.

Tommy has spent years using his platform

to shine a light on other creators.

Tonight,

the council has had an opportunity to

shine some light

back on him.

Let's help Kingsville cross this finish

line strong.

And as always,

thank you everyone for watching.

Thank you for supporting independent

comments and thank you for being a part

of the council.

Ladies and gentlemen,

this has been the USDN podcast where indie

comments come to life.

And with that, the council is adjourned.

Y'all be safe out there.