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Sweet.
Welcome to anyone and everyone who's looking.
We are kind of trying to start a podcast
because we need more of those.
There's not enough of those in the world.
I'll kind of hand it off to Bondor and Anson and Corey,
but we all had this thought of Better Buy Bitcoin.
We liked this idea and this title,
and yeah, maybe we just kind of dive
into what we all liked about it.
Bondor, you want to kick us off?
Sure.
I mean, JD, it was your idea originally,
but you sent it to the guys.
Like, well, this is actually kind of something there
in terms of there's no Bitcoin podcast as far as I know,
and I'm not super into podcasting at this stage,
where it's just guys who figured some stuff out,
hashing it out, and it's just, that's it.
And you bring on, between this group,
we have a whole bunch of deep depth
and understanding about stuff.
And then with guests and the rest of it,
you can kind of actually explore
an entire territory conversationally,
not a, today, we are talking about the thing.
And it's just, you don't get that in the Bitcoin space.
So that's one of the things that really appealed to me,
and just, hey, what about just a bunch of guys
who figured some stuff out, who can like,
hey, we're in some trying times,
but we figured some stuff out,
and we're now actually able to move forward.
Like, we're winning in these trying times,
and I don't know, that feels like
not a lot of people can say that.
So.
Yeah, Wanda, I'd add, too, we're each guys
who have found ways to make Bitcoin functional in our lives,
make our lives better through Bitcoin.
For me, it started touching places of my life and faith
that I would never have expected Bitcoin to touch
when I first came in as.
Nope, we lost him.
Right.
Yeah, Corey, we can't hear you.
You there again?
We heard, we heard life and faith, and then you froze.
You probably should get that Starlink you were talking about.
Perfect, perfect.
Internet by Bitcoin, let's do that one first.
Yeah, go ahead.
I'm streaming from my phone right now.
For the first time ever,
I've never used my phone as a hotspot.
I'm in a Chick-fil-A parking lot right now.
I was gonna use their Wi-Fi, but it doesn't reach.
So I first met a lot of you guys at Bond,
where I live in the same neighborhood,
and I think you guys were already having
a Bitcoin meetup in Los Angeles.
And not a lot of my friends in the real world,
outside of you guys now being my friends,
are into Bitcoin.
And so I didn't have people to talk about this with.
And a lot of times, I was reading things on,
watching YouTube videos, reading things on Twitter,
and I wasn't even sure if I knew how to pronounce
words correctly that I'd been kind of saying in my head.
And so I sat down for a steak dinner with you guys
in Bondorf's backyard, and I was blown away by a few things.
People were eloquent.
People were successful.
Everybody was as into Bitcoin as I was.
And it was just really, really inspiring to me
to know that there are people out in the real world
who are not just like, in their office,
going down rabbit holes on Bitcoin.
And it is, I mean, I think it's improved your lives.
It's definitely improved my life.
So, yeah.
Yeah, it's wild, one of the first ever,
so I still consider myself a baby Bitcoiner.
I've not been in Bitcoin that long.
But it's taken over everything that I want to do.
You know, I've pivoted my entire business
of advertising into like Bitcoin, Bitcoin-focused things.
Why?
Because I just can't stop thinking about it.
It's the one-way door.
And I remember one of the first,
because I worked in San Francisco, I worked in LA,
who worked kind of all over the place,
and I remember one of the first conversations I ever had,
Andy Edelstrom, formerly of Swan,
I think he might still be of Swan,
but he wrote the book, a Bitcoin book,
and I'm blanking on the name of it right now,
but he posted on Twitter.
He was like, hey, I'm gonna be at father's office,
and we'd have dinner.
If anybody wants to show up, like, you can come.
I was like, that's kind of weird.
But at the same time, I'm like, I just got into this.
I'd met Andy before,
and I kind of want to just go talk to somebody
about Bitcoin, because my wife refuses to talk about it,
because it's all I wanted to talk about.
And I was like, hey, can I go to this?
And it was like an hour drive one way
to get down to where he was at.
And she was like, just go,
because I just want you to stop talking to me about Bitcoin.
And so I go to this dinner.
It's me, Andy, and I'm blanking on the other guy's name,
but it was literally just the three of us,
and I'm so grateful that they let me show up and crash,
but it was, one of those things where it was like,
politically and ideologically,
the three of us were on very different playing fields,
and not necessarily of like, you know,
intelligence or anything, but just like,
we ideologically didn't agree on a lot of things,
but because we had this Bitcoin layer of understanding
of like, the money is broken, and if we fix this thing,
everything would be made better.
We could have a conversation about everything.
We talked about abortion.
We talked about vaccines.
We talked about COVID.
We talked about everything,
and we talked about it in a very measured way,
that nobody was angry or emotional or anything.
It was like, we can just have this conversation
because we believe that the world would be better
on a Bitcoin standard,
and so we can have discussions about things
rather than disputes,
and I think that's what I just have loved about this idea,
about everything being better by Bitcoin,
because at the end of the day,
everything is better on a Bitcoin standard,
and so it's just kind of, it's fun.
It's been a cool rabbit hole to go down.
For-
Yeah, fundamentally changes all of reality,
completely redoes all of the,
whatever, retarded communism that we have.
So I'm not going to put it quite so eloquently as that,
but I would also say, like, coming into the groups
of Bitcoiners that I've met increasingly,
it makes people more individual.
It allows people to be authentic and more of themselves,
like a turned-up-to-11 version of themselves,
and I think that-
They're not answering anybody anymore.
To really interesting people, pretty much without fail.
Can you double-click on that?
Because that's actually an interesting notion
of, like, turned-up-to-11 version of yourself.
Like, I love that as just kind of, like,
Bitcoin, like, supercharges you,
but can you, like, double-click on that
and just kind of give more context?
Yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
I had someone recently ask me,
is Bitcoin more significant than the Bible?
And my immediate knee-jerk reaction was like, no, no way.
But it took me longer than I realized to be like,
no, no, it's still the Bible first,
but why did I think about that for a second?
That's something I never thought it would even approach.
And I think, ultimately,
it's because the Bible touches your soul
and Bitcoin touches everything that money touches.
And money is talked about tremendously frequently
over the course of the Bible.
So, you know, the way that I think about it
is if Bitcoin fixes everything,
or at least starts to unwind the ways
that money has a hold over your life and your soul
and the way that you operate in the world,
especially in the wealthiest country of all time,
especially in a capitalist society,
then you're free to be yourself,
unfettered by the fiat money.
The more you get into it, the longer you're into Bitcoin,
the more you let it change the way that you think,
which is faith-like, right?
And you see, I think,
on the worst sides of the Bitcoin community,
you see a kind of religious fanaticism.
And on the best sides of it,
you see people becoming a more authentic,
more human version of that,
whoever that individual person is.
And it's not just like,
oh, like some kind of weird definition
of more authentic and more turn-yourself-up-to-11.
It's like, no, no, no, your actual agency,
your physical agency is improved.
So what you want out of life,
you're much more able to pursue and actually achieve.
I just saw a really fascinating,
or it connects the dot on this,
also from a Christian perspective.
Like somebody posted yesterday,
Ross is free, Bitcoin is over 100K,
Ethereum is falling apart.
I used to pray for times like these.
And the first thing that comes to my mind about that
is like, oh, yeah,
the prayers of the righteous avail much.
And why would those prayers be answered?
Oh, because we've repented of the thing
that's destroying the world, which is fiat.
And once you repent of fiat,
once you get the, like, oh, yeah,
like, oh, this is like,
my pursuit of God and following God
is not constantly being undermined
by every economic thing in my life.
It's genuine improvements to agency
that are just like unfathomable, right?
Especially when you like add prayer to it,
where it's just like, okay,
now we can pray about this stuff
and like the prayers get answered.
Because we're not,
the prayers of the righteous avail much, right?
It's incredible, it's beautiful.
You know how on ledgers,
it used to say, don't trust, verify?
And I think every single Bitcoiner
has spent a lot of time thinking,
what if I had gotten into Bitcoin just a year earlier?
Maybe not if it's like 2021 versus 2020 or something,
but every one of us is like,
ah, like I heard about Bitcoin in 2012 or 2013,
what was I doing?
And then you think about who are the people
that did get into it at that point?
And it was the people who knew the truth about money
and were basically willing to say,
fiat is, yeah, fiat's BS,
I'm not participating in this,
and they were looking for Bitcoin.
And I don't know who,
maybe it's Max Keiser is the one that said this,
but that you get in at the price that you deserve.
And yeah, so now every Bitcoiner,
even if you don't totally agree with somebody ideologically
or politically, or even sometimes like morally
or religiously, you have this thing in common
where you don't ever want to be late again,
and you want to kind of ruthlessly pursue the truth.
And so you have that thing in common with each other
that you're not gonna like give in to the lies
that people kind of collectively believe,
and you're gonna kind of cut through that
and be like, what is the actual truth?
I don't wanna miss something as big as Bitcoin ever again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it frees you to be genuinely
for the other person, right?
And it's similar to faith, right?
If I come with any sort of agenda
when I'm talking about the Bible to somebody,
it kills it entirely.
But when you share Bitcoin,
or hopefully when you share faith,
there is nothing to be gained from that person to you,
right, it is selfless.
Necessarily, it has to be selfless, right?
Unless you're like a true swindler or something,
you're trying to take someone, something.
A true swindler.
That's our other podcast.
It's our Ethereum podcast.
I already got the URL.
Did you guys see that Vitalik just started
a huge sales team, like a high price sales team
on Wall Street to push the Ethereum ETF?
And it related to exactly what we're talking about now,
is the whole Bitcoin community can just let the truth
happen to the world, right?
It's this incredible piece that we have,
where if we disagree with someone,
I don't have a responsibility to convince them,
they don't have a responsibility to convince me.
We just have a faith that the truth will out
at some point, right, that reality will meet
one or the other or both in some way.
And we don't have to spend $25 million
convincing Wall Street that our thing is worthwhile,
or else it fails or something like that.
You know, say what you want about the other altcoins,
but at least Ethereum has a use case.
You can use it for creating scam coins.
The great Ponzi scheme generator.
Yeah.
As Safe says, it's the mother asshole
from which all of the shit coins spread.
Yeah, but I think the saddest part, right,
is now Solana is probably actually better
at creating shit coins than Ethereum.
And the next one will be better than Solana.
Yeah.
Trump coin.
I do, I did watch the entire Davos thing
from Trump today, and it made me,
I just love him so much, because at the end of the day,
he called out Bank of America to his face
in front of Davos.
The thing that's going around, he was like,
he's like, crypto, we're gonna be the big thing.
But he literally just called out,
I don't know the guy, his name's Brian,
but I don't know his last name,
but he literally just called him out to his face
on the world stage on Davos, being like,
you guys are scamming conservatives.
I wish you wouldn't scam conservatives.
I wish they could use your bank.
But they can't use your bank.
Why can't they use your bank, Brian?
Literally just calls him out on the stage.
I'm like, God, he's just gotta be the most uncomfortable
man in the world right now.
It's like the President of the United States
just calling your bank out.
He's like, I wish you could use it,
but we can't use Bank of America, it's pretty terrible.
You hate conservatives.
I wish you didn't hate conservatives.
Why do you hate conservatives, Brian?
I was like, oh man, this is wild.
Where is this real life?
So good.
That's like a six out of 10 Trump, by the way,
which is pretty good.
I feel like you're more youthful Trump.
I want Trump to have that amount of energy.
Dude, I don't know if it's the,
I know one other guy who has as much energy as he does,
and he also doesn't drink.
So I don't know if it's the lack of alcohol.
But then at the same time,
I'm reading the Old Testament right now,
and it's talking about how there's a lot of things
God blesses, and he does bless wine.
So I'm like, I don't know, man.
I'm getting mixed signals here from the Bible
and then the real life of things.
Maybe it's the additives in our current modern day wine.
You mean he eats a lot of steak, so that's probably.
By steak, you mean McDonald's.
Yeah, Trump also drinks Diet Coke, so yeah.
Oh man, that's funny.
So the other thing for anybody
who is listening or watching right now,
we're trying to figure this, figure out the format.
We want to try to do one or two of these a week,
but really try and just talk about
why things are better on a Bitcoin standard.
You better buy Bitcoin, the double entendre.
It is interesting, though, the,
I don't necessarily think we need a better,
or another Bitcoin podcast,
but I think what I currently haven't seen,
or just what I would want to see more of,
is just deeper dives into some of the things
that I care about, like content creation,
and just kind of like,
I know something that Bondor is pretty passionate about
is like, why government buildings
don't look like hot garbage, which is, you know.
Well, why everything?
I mean, the culture stuff, for me,
like the culture stuff is like, there's so many things.
I mean, just today, I was like, posted a thing,
and it's like, bro, like the meme of,
what's the guy's name?
I'm just looking up.
Cary Grant.
So the Cary Grant meme of, you know,
it's like Cary Grant walking in like this dapper blazer,
right, next to like somebody in a puffy jacket
with like sweatpants,
and the meme is always like, men, what happened?
It's like, it's all, it's Fiat, Fiat happened.
Fiat has destroyed our culture, completely destroyed it,
and every different little facet,
it's like worked its way all the way through everything.
So like the culture for me is like,
just everything's gonna change,
and it's gonna be awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah, things will aesthetically improve.
When you go back to pretty much any time in history
when there has been hard money or real money,
when like gold and silver was being used,
the aesthetics of everything having to do with it
was better, and as soon as, when it's government by Fiat,
whenever freedom is taken away,
you get basically communist block style architecture,
and things get mass produced and made super cheaply,
and, or financialization makes everything
only need to last for 30 years,
and so rather than making buildings
that will stand the test of time,
it's like, ah, we just need to make buildings
that'll last as long as this loan takes to pay off,
and yeah.
And the exact same thing applies to the whole fast fashion.
It's ridiculous.
It just goes on.
Painting.
I'm heading over to Italy next week.
Wait, can you hear me?
Sorry.
I'm heading over to Italy next week
to shoot a show about beauty,
and the whole conceit is that we used to value this,
and this is very much from a faith perspective,
but we're looking at things,
and the only things that we can use for the show
are hundreds of years old,
and it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone
that we can't get stuff from 20 years ago
and just compare it to the Last Supper.
It doesn't work, so we have to go to cities
that are old enough to have been part of a culture
that really valued that.
The first thing on the chopping block
when your left brain takes over,
when efficiency takes over,
when execution is the only thing that matters,
the first thing on the chopping block is beauty,
and as Christians, we believe that beauty
is one of the three transcendental things,
beauty, goodness, and truth,
and if you leave beauty behind
and you overemphasize truth,
ultimately, you also lose truth,
which I think is what we've found.
You can't leave any of them behind,
even when one of them feels like
it's the most unnecessary, right?
You lose beauty and you lose truth and goodness as well,
so I'm fascinated by that topic
and the way that Bitcoin slowly, inch by inch,
corrects our incentives
and leads us back toward transcendental things.
It's really interesting, actually,
that what you're talking about,
because if you guys aren't familiar,
I'm sure you guys are,
but Frank Lloyd Wright was an architect back in the day.
He was from Chicago,
and if you ever get a chance to go to his house,
his workshop,
so he was responsible for a lot of really beautiful,
big designs,
but Frank's, one of his tenets of architecture
was the building needs to tell a story,
and what's cool is if you go to his workshop,
it's in like,
I can't remember the exact-
Which one, Taliesin in Wisconsin?
No, the one, his house in Chicago,
so Frank Lloyd Wright.
Oh, that was
Oak Park.
Yeah, there it is.
His Oak Park home.
So what's awesome about it is his home studio.
That's what it was.
So yeah, that's his place.
So if you go to his home studio in Chicago,
it's a really cool building
because you kind of walk into it,
and where you assume the door would be
is not where the door would be,
and that was an intentional choice,
because basically when you walk into it,
I know I could tell you in the tour why not,
but every way you,
so there's a thing,
and we all do movies,
that's the other thing about us as a group of people,
so all of us have done content creation
on the world scale for,
I think between all of us,
we probably have 100 years of experience,
which is actually not an exaggeration.
There's a thing called the rate of reveal,
and it's like how you kind of tell the story
and kind of move through it.
Frank Lloyd Wright had the same perspective
with how your buildings were designed.
It's like you walk into his office,
and you assume the door would be here,
but it's not, it's over here.
It's like he literally makes you walk into a wall,
and then you turn to a right,
and then you walk out of the mud room
into the main thing,
and he understood that when you walk into a space,
you're gonna move your eyes across that space
and kind of have this rate of reveal of where it is,
and so what's interesting is you walk in,
and he knows you're gonna look from left to right,
because that's the way that he's forcing you to look,
and when you first look,
there's a big flashy office that you're gonna look into,
and he would always put his drafters in that room,
because that's the room you're gonna see big designs
and all this stuff into,
and it's also really cool,
because it's kind of like a,
like I can show you the actual thing here,
and again, we're figuring out the format on all this
and what it should look like,
but you have this really cool just kind of like space.
This is actually in his home studio,
and I can't really go through, let's see,
but you walk into it,
and you actually see more on this home page,
so this is what I'm actually talking about.
Over here on the right,
this is the thing, so you walk in actually over here,
and then you look to the right, and you see this room,
and it's like crazy,
because the way it's actually designed
is the entire room is actually designed
as this giant weight in the middle of it,
like this entire room actually has no,
it's just built onto itself,
and the way that the ceiling works,
this is actually just like folding onto itself,
and it's holding itself together,
because it's like big massive ball.
Beautiful, great, intentionally thought about,
but the actual work in this building
doesn't happen over there.
The actual work happens,
if you aren't paying attention, to your left behind you.
You're gonna be drawn to that like a moth to a flame,
because you wanna go see it,
and he's like, I don't want clients coming in
and disrupting the flow of actual work,
and so you walk in, and you go over there
to the shiny thing where his actual office
or where the work is done is over to the left,
because he's like, I want, don't bother me,
go over there and actually do the work over here,
and so coming back to what you were saying,
Corey, is like what we've lost with this
mechanic of like worthless things
is like actual intention behind design.
You know, it's like, oh, I'm gonna put a bathroom
under the stairs, but I can't actually sit in it,
because I didn't actually think about the fact
that stairs are gonna take up this much space
or whatever it is.
Like, we lost this Frank Lloyd Wright style of thinking,
where it's like everything needs to have a purpose,
and the purpose is, oh, I wanna have a workroom,
okay, so I don't wanna be interrupting
when somebody comes in,
but I want them to be able to see it,
like all this stuff, and so I think Bitcoin,
landing the plane on this, like the world and culture
and everything will be better on a Bitcoin standard,
because you're not gonna just flippantly spend your money.
Like, you're gonna want somebody to take a minute
to think about what you're doing
and what they're doing for you and everything like that, so.
Yeah, I like that.
You know, I was thinking in film,
one of the ways to understand film and independent film
is especially is the setup of expectations
and then whether you fulfill those expectations
or you subvert those expectations, right?
And generally-
The checkoff run.
Exactly, exactly.
But with a very, very broad stroke,
the lowest common denominator studio type movie
is setting up expectations for you
and then giving you what you're expecting,
what you're hoping for, and it makes people feel safe
and it makes people feel led through a thing.
And the most interesting independent films,
typically people's favorite films,
the films that last, set up an expectation
and then subvert it in a way that they weren't expecting
and lands with them, it reveals something interesting
about humanity to them.
And similar to architecture
and what you're talking about, JD,
the first thing to go when you're in a fiat mindset,
when you're in a lowest common denominator mindset,
when you're in a squeeze,
whatever the thing is for the last available dollar,
the willingness to subvert expectations
is one of the first things to go.
It's also where a lot of beauty comes from,
from unexpected things.
So it's the way I see it play out in film.
For me, this harkens back to,
and you can cut this different ways,
but it harkens back to the famous like,
good, cheap, or fast, choose two.
In a Bitcoin-denominated world
with very low time preferences,
you choose cheap and good
because fast doesn't matter.
You could wait, right?
In a high time preference world
where your money's losing value,
the number one thing that matters is fast.
And so that means you have to choose
either good or cheap.
And unless you have a ton of money,
it's not gonna be good.
Yeah.
That's interesting.
Go ahead, Anton.
I was gonna say real quick,
I'm crazy passionate about Frank Lloyd Wright, by the way.
He was an asshole.
All of his books,
kind of have to be, I guess.
But he was a hardcore individualist
and kind of makes you an asshole.
But so a lot of his books are out of print.
They're amazing.
You can get them from the LA Public Library,
like 100-year-old books of his.
And every once in a while, I'll have them.
They literally deliver them to the local branch by me.
But he, I'm not sure which book this is in,
but he wrote a credo.
And in the credo, the very first line is,
I believe a house is more a home
by being a work of art.
And you think about it for our generation,
any future generations,
people can't even afford houses anymore.
Like you're lucky to get an apartment
with more than one bedroom.
So it's just something that I think all of us hope
that the price of Bitcoin goes through the roof
so that we can buy a home
and buy a really beautiful home.
And yeah, so there's that.
And then he also said,
I believe the man is more a man by being an individual
rather than a committee meeting.
So yeah, anyway, I just think that Frank Lloyd Wright
would have been a Bitcoiner.
Do you guys think,
do you think we stop laying out cities in grids
on a Bitcoin standard?
Like, do we go back to the old way of like following the,
like meandering, right?
Like we can't meander in a US city,
especially in like LA, like you would need a car.
Thank you, Goodyear for ripping out the system
of trains that we have.
It seems to me on that,
because many of the city,
like many of the meandering cities existed like that
because of the history of the city,
which goes back thousands of years.
Oh, there was a path here and then there was no one here
and somebody had a house here.
And then like, it's just like,
cattywampus, goofy, goofy, like why not, whatever.
But then the discovery of America
and the settling of America
is the first thing that actually allowed a grid system.
And there's tremendous benefits to a grid system
and there's tremendous costs.
You lose all the, you know,
the intricate neighborhood duty of like do, do, do.
But then you gain the unbelievable efficiency
of a high powered city center,
which you can't have, like,
which is why Florence, you know,
it's just, it's not like a financial capital
of the world anymore.
Sorry, it's just not, right?
It was, it's not anymore.
And now a lot of that changes with-
We got a gold standard, by the way.
A lot of these cities got laid out when we had hard money.
So some of that efficiency comes from a time
when things were objectively better
because we basically didn't have inflation
during that time period.
And so when things are on a Bitcoin standard,
some of the bureaucracies that rely on taxes
and also getting money federally
that they just print out of thin air,
some of that's gonna go away.
And so Bitcoiners are gonna be the ones driving development
and kind of saying how things are.
They're not gonna be held back by these regulations
because the people making the regulations
won't have the power that they currently have
to stifle development and kind of the reforming of cities.
Yeah, I think an interesting question
as these sorts of things come up for us is,
like for the grid system,
is a grid system inherently ugly?
And I don't think it necessarily is, right?
Could a grid system be made beautiful
in a hard money system?
I think probably.
Yeah.
But I do have to run.
I've got a script notes session,
but this is very fun.
Looking forward to more of them.
Looking forward to reporting from Italy as well.
Give some updates on what beauty list used to look like
and what we lost.
I think your challenge is gonna be
to find a beautiful place to chat with us from every time.
And then you can just walk us around.
Oh, this is a Trevi Fountain
or this is the Perthenon or whatever.
Yeah, it's literally about history and culture
and what was it about that culture
that created those things.
So it's gonna be all I can do from right behind camera
to not say, it was the money.
Just wear a hat.
Just get a giant hat that says it was the money
and just put the money on the back.
All right, see you guys.
Cool.
Good talking to you.
See you, Corey.
Um, yeah.
Bond or Anton, any kind of like closing thoughts
or, you know, tease up for anybody, you know,
if there's anybody, is anybody still watching?
We have a couple kind of things that have trickled in,
but I think our goal is to kind of like find a good format
and find a way to add value to conversations in this.
I think these first couple ones
are just trying to get the reps in to like do it,
get it done.
Um, you know, done is better than perfect
in the first pre-100 episodes.
And so that's what we're trying to do is like,
all right, get the reps in.
Yeah, you were the one that said, you know,
we should set a goal for 100 episodes
and that most people don't make it past six episodes
when they do a podcast.
And yeah, there's so many podcasts out there.
Do there need to be so many podcasts?
Could people even possibly listen to all the podcasts?
No.
But I don't want to undersell who we are.
We're A, we're Bitcoiners.
We all live in the same region.
Every single one of us has had really serious experience
in the film industry, the real film industry.
And I, I'm not, you know, I'm not going to go so far
as they were like divinely appointed
to put this group together,
but it didn't happen by accident that we're all together.
And the things that we're talking about
are going to add value to a lot of people's lives.
Even if it, even if it was a small group of people.
So I think it's worth it for us
to continue having these conversations
and allow people to listen in on them.
Yeah.
I mean, going forward for me, I want, like,
I would love that this podcast turns into, you know,
we, a cultural, like, this is what, like,
hey, we have, it's not a mecca.
It's like a, it's a cultural, like, meeting, meeting place
where we can say like, cool,
here's, here's things that are happening.
Here's like, here's, here's,
here's a way to understand the world differently
in a, in a better way.
One thing that Corey has talked about a lot,
maybe I can speak for him,
but he'll probably have a different way to put it,
is that this Bitcoin really does bring hope to the world.
And we all live in LA.
One of the darkest, craziest places you can live.
I mean, I can't speak for you guys,
but for me personally, like,
apart from the grace of friends and family, like,
I've been homeless in LA.
Like, it's tough here.
It's real.
And Bitcoin makes it all better.
It's crazy.
Yep, yep, yep.
So Bitcoin gives hope.
And then there's some real implications with that
in terms of, you can, and Christianity
and how these two things come together
and like walking these out,
I think would be,
for me, a goal of this podcast.
Let's walk, walk out culture, Christianity, Bitcoin
from LA, a cultural Mecca,
if not the cultural Mecca of the world.
And let's see, let's see how this is going to go.
Let's try and like work through the next pieces
on civilization and what's going to be built
and how it's going to affect us all over the world
because LA is the center of the cultural world.
I like that a lot.
And it's interesting.
The, that's funny to think that like really reflecting,
like I was also homeless at one point in time here in LA,
like sleeping on a couch,
which is like right before I got my, you know,
quote unquote, big break into the industry,
an email from an email from an email
and literally just happened to be sleeping
on somebody's couch who,
when I read the names in the email,
they're like, dude, say yes now.
I was like, what?
And he's like, it doesn't matter what you're doing.
Just say yes.
And it's just kind of wild that that's, you know,
so right place, right time,
like being in LA, like being in a place physically
will be still just as important on a Bitcoin standard,
but I think it'll be different
because the internet makes everything smaller
and you don't necessarily need to be physically in a place,
but you need to be in a digital place,
at least where people can find you
and know that that's what you need
and know that that's what you're good at
and know that you can deliver when it kind of shows up,
which is going to be an interesting thing.
Cause yeah, I don't know.
It's weird.
It's weird to be able to be doing this.
You know, it's like,
our kids are never going to think that this is weird,
but I know all of us grew up before the internet existed.
And so we all have that moment of like,
I remember being the first,
like we were the first house on the street with internet,
with even a computer type thing.
And it's just wild to think about that,
like 30 plus years ago of like,
none of this existed, you know,
to do what we're doing now,
to do what you're doing right now on your phone
and like, you know,
you would have needed an army of people to do that.
For a younger audience, I think, you know,
people, guys that are 18 to 22 years old,
we're at an age right now, all of us,
where we were just far enough away from them
to where we can give them some wisdom
because we're the previous generation.
So yeah, being able to talk about life before the internet,
but still have some youthfulness to it.
Some youthfulness to us is important
for that younger generation.
Sweet.
So yeah, we're gonna kind of regroup on our side.
If anybody, you know, is watching right now,
you have any thoughts on like, hey,
or anything constructive,
feel free to type into the chat or ping any of us.
Our handles are kind of under us.
If there's anything you'd wanna see,
anything you'd wanna hear from
on people who actually like have an entertainment focus
or like a, I don't know, we all like researching,
so maybe we do something like that,
but just stoked to get to hang out with you guys
and then also, you know, anybody who's watching, so.
Thanks.
See you next week.