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Where triathlon meets real talk. Hosted by two seasoned triathletes and one Sarah, this podcast takes a deep dive into the controversies, challenges, and triumphs of the triathlete world.
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Oh, he goes in front. Bradley would help the younger every ounce of courage. Unbelievable. Doc, look at this. Nothing but fantastic. Racer driving and world championship title. And welcome back. Episode seven of the. Well. You can't be laughing this early today yet. Well, I can't. Because instead of all Right is. And we're back. Yes. I've decided to do something new.
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So we are back. Yeah. Episode seven. Season two of the unfunded podcast. I'm professional triathlete Lachlan Jones here with my good friend and co-host, Light and Wall, professional triathlete as well. They are looking like he gets a small ROI for it every week. And, it's it's been a big week. It's been a big week, big weekend.
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Lots on, lot of dirty goss, a lot of big results, a lot of big sprint finishes. We've called it all. Yeah. Did we have, yeah. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, we did 100% for Taco. Not I tell her. Hi, cow. Hi. Hi. Do I cook World Cup? I do, bit of T100 action. Yeah. And as we as we love before bit, juicy juice in Goss.
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Yeah. We do love the goss. And we love reporting on it too. We, we love being. I mean, it's hard to be the first to report on something like this is, you know, as soon as people hear a little bit, it's it's so much social media. It's small world. We're probably always the lightest to the partly we record on Tuesday.
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So we hear the news over the weekend then it doesn't release till Friday. But then. So it seems like when like but I feel like we are, I feel like we're probably one of the most sometimes to honest with our opinions. Yeah. I have been under strict instructions today to hold keep it under wraps. Yeah. To hold back the, allegations.
00;02;01;29 - 00;02;25;06
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So I will do my best. That's good. What's been going on? Lucky? I feel as if we haven't checked in in a while. Yeah, a lot, a lot. Just just back to training. Back to training. Off to Devonport. So training hard. We I was, I love I really did love I mean obviously back on I'm like working on funded stuff on the weekend, last week those school sport nationals.
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So yeah I that's I think that's pretty self stated. Every country will have a school sport. So on a national level and yeah, the amount of unfunded funded like the go unfunded I've been getting at the moment walking around school sport, national. Yeah. Yeah I think I'm definitely I mean I was their coach, so I was coaching to allow athletes and yeah, just a lot of go on funded, which is definitely I thought car Sky, I thought I was the veteran guy.
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Well, I'm well, you're the old podcast guy. I'm now the old retirement. Yeah, I guess so. Arrogant. Arrogant podcast. That is so, Yeah. It's one foot in the grave, isn't it? The podcast. Yeah, I mean, I at least if you if you token was talking about me. Yeah, yeah. But I always fun like, we we like we said we'll go into it a bit more, but the team 100 was so cool.
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Like, really cool. Doing a bit of obviously shooting for what we did. I didn't actually know he was there, but. John. Raid just annihilate. Yeah, I love that. Ten K was phenomenal. Well, I was actually kind of scary. Yeah. Knowing that I'll have to race him and try and beat him. So like, that was just freakishly quick.
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But yeah, just a really good, really good race. Say what? I think we knew that. Yeah. Yeah. I feel as if I went down to the two 100 as well. Didn't go for it. Yeah, I went on the Saturday and watched the women's race. Yeah. I wasn't but it was a good a good atmosphere. It looked really cool watching.
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I was watching the stream. Yeah. Really cool seeing something on the Gold Coast. It was. And I feel as if surfers, we think of surfers because we live here is like pretty grungy and dirty, but it kind of like it's quite nice on lot the the main strip boulevard when it's not when it's not like junkies is pretty good.
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Like when there's, you know, a few triathletes around. It was a little bit of a flashback to like the two is blue. Like we talk about the Tooheys Blue and like the Saint George series like evolved with like back in the day, like in the in the 2000, like the 90s and 2000 when triathlon was at its peak in Australia, we had big, big paydays, a big series within Australia.
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It always kind of felt like that, I guess having having a race in the ocean, having a race like right on the beach, the heart of the Gold Coast, like it felt like, yeah, let's go back. Yeah. Like beach or like beach straight into Skyros. Yeah, that was cool. And, yeah, I think it was a good event.
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That's kind of. I left halfway through because I had to go home, but I couldn't really stay in surfers for too long. Yeah. Give up the habit. Yeah, I think it was. It was getting to it was getting dark and I was like, oh no, I've got to go home before the junkies call out the sewer. Yeah.
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Yeah. For anybody that doesn't know service parallels is really nice, but it is probably like the nightlife. Yeah. Capital of the Gulf. Yes. That area, it's, it's very fun when you're 18, 19, 20. Yeah. It gets very gross, very quick. Very quick. Yes. I don't think I've been there for a couple of years and I, I tend to a never go back.
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I have I just don't see myself ever being in surfers past two 100 and finish probably pause like a moment to say 8 p.m.. Yeah yeah. But even then I don't see myself being there at all. But T 100 is back next year. Yeah, we're back on the Gold Coast, which is cool. And it's obviously going to kick off the season I believe.
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Again, I don't think many races start before March. Hopefully, hopefully I feel as if the female race was good. Yeah, just a bigger spectacle and a big weekend. You could do two races back to back Saturday, Sunday or even a Friday, Arvo Saturday race and have it more of a weekend thing. If you had the hours that I think it would be like a massive spectacle.
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I think it was a bit of a mess. I think it was definitely a mess, especially because we did have Geelong. Yeah, and you got an official world champs. You got Geelong there and like, well, we already said it last week. I made one that battle. Yeah like they had an all star cast there. So if we had both of them we had all those guys racing to 100, you know maybe, maybe Blumenfeld might not race it because he definitely is more of the Iron Man than two 100 guy.
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But you still have Hayden Yellow and you got. Yeah, we've got a heap of athletes. Yeah. Comes over the only the only thing I thought was that could interrupt it was the the surf because they obviously had it in the waves and they weren't like falling massive for us. It's obviously that's kind of stock standard, but if you're a Brit or you're a European or an American that's not experienced that level of surf before.
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Yeah, I remember watching. I can't remember who it was. One person tripped over three times just trying to get into the water. Yeah, well, someone was about I was watching it live down there and you could see around the boys. They probably didn't show it on TV, but there was the the last Herne boy, someone coming in, and there was someone starting their second lap.
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Yeah, well, it was had to be at least ten minutes. Yeah. Which was crazy. Like a surf swim. Just broke it off completely. You also got, like, a Danny De Francesco who's, like, grown up over water. So yeah, in Australia, super comfortable with that environment versus someone who's probably swam in likes their whole life. Yeah, exactly. Two different athletes right there.
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So I think it's yeah it's it's tough. But it was not a normal. It was a good change of element though. Yeah. It's like a hilly bike course is a choppy surf swim. Gotta be adaptable. I mean I remember I said to my gran, she complained about being, seasick in the Torremolinos swim. So I'm like, you would have been horrible.
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Yeah, in this room, because that was like, I would say three foot waves. Yeah. They weren't breaking heavy, but, like, still decent sized waves doesn't, you know, break in probably 100m off the shore. So yeah, I know it was fun. Oh, we went along. It was funny. You talk about seasick and, Olympic gold medalist. We did a swim.
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We did three months, with Phil, and it was from, like, Cala down to, like, surfers and back. And it was a race back. And Alex got seasick. Really? To help out, like, warm and funny. And it wasn't even like, oh, it's like large enough, but it wasn't like, anything crazy. But yeah, seasickness cancel out. Okay. You guessed it.
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Well, I mean, they're Olympic gold, but. So if that was the price you have to pay on, I'd be seasick. It's on tablets like this. Very like. We'll get into the big one. Like. And you've got, like, we spoke before. There's a bit of golf going around the, Yeah, probably not even just a triathlon circuit, but just the world of sport.
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Yeah, the world of sport. So what's come through is the International Testing Agency, I believe it's called. Yeah. International testing Agency has released it's t u a raw data from 2019 to 2025. And what this is, is all of the athletes that have got therapeutic use exemptions since that time frame. Right. How do you guys see this big list.
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So I first saw it on Joel Cyril's story and it popped up. And then I think everyone saw the call. And Charlie. Yeah. Real. That's right. Absolutely blew up because he's over with that. That's where I first saw. So it's a bit of a contradiction. Yeah. Colin Chartier actually was like, oh look at these. Oh my mate, you're not really on solid ground to be told.
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No. These are. Yeah. Like you're someone who has tarnished the sport as a like as a diver. You've come out and said you've changed the system. Yeah. Have changed the sports. I thought it'd be hypocritical that he's kind of. And then I also saw Sam Laidlaw put something on his story about the Tui's. What was his, did he have a stand point?
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He had a stand point. Because if you look at this data and we'll get into I'll just get his standpoint first. His standpoint was that, the athlete should be named like we should we should know what the athletes are, where this started here. So first off, why is it. Hey, we get into it. What is it?
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Is a therapeutic use exemption. And it is for a person who is medically, like he who relies on medication to fulfill full health. So. And that's just normal base level health. Base level health. Yeah. So it's, it's just for normal health. So let's say I am a diabetic. Yeah. I need insulin. I then need to, to have insulin injections.
00;11;07;07 - 00;11;37;27
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Yeah. Because that is just my body cannot, function like, you know, glucose can't process glucose. And, you know, sugar. It's not like a loophole to be able to, I guess, like, take. Well, I mean, I mean, maybe that is kind of where the, where the lines blurred at the moment, where it's like it's not necessarily a loophole because there are some athletes that that are in a position where they, they genuinely need these two ways to just be able to sustain, like to take these medications to normal function, a normal, functioning healthy.
00;11;37;27 - 00;11;58;19
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But it's like asthma and having an inhaler. Yeah. So it's those kind of conditions where you need that drug to function normally. Yeah. Which is, which is I guess is a base level of a human right being. Access to, medication that you can use. You shouldn't be cut off to it just because you're an athlete who is a the testing protocol.
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Exactly. Right. So that that's how that's what he was. And there's obviously a very big, scrutiny process to get a Tua. They're not just going to give it to anyone because you don't want it to be a loophole for dopers, I think. And I think that is kind of where the discussion lies at the moment. Where are people somehow using this as a loophole?
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Yes, as a gateway kind of gray area to cheat the system. Yeah. And that's the discussion. So we're going to see if there is a loophole and how you get is, hey, wait, because this is probably the only way to get through the loophole. So you have to provide full medical documentation. Who is this too? Sorry, this is too low trough them to.
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Yes. So, like your governing board and then it gets and laws by independent panel. We'll get into it because we. So I remember just back to the Emma Jeffcoat episode where she was taking what she didn't know it at the time that it banned substance use to is really her skin. Yeah. Acne. Yeah. It was just like a skin medication.
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And obviously she was very young at the time and she, she wasn't aware, but they slapped her with a three year ban straight away and it was like, well she she had to go through a big appeals process and got that down to three months. But you like you said, there's, there's people that would trying to that's a good example of someone that's just literally just like just trying to help that scheme.
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Yeah. Like it's such. Exactly right. And that's where you would get healing. Yeah. Exactly. So you have to provide medical documentation. So clear diagnosis from a qualified doctor provide that the substance is necessary for treatment and so that there's no reasonable alternatives that may be legal. Yeah. And then demonstrate that you won't give extra. That won't give extra performance beyond normal health.
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Yeah. And there's also the other question of normal health is that, you know, Joe, by walking on the street, normal health or that high performance trough on normal health. We've just and obviously we just had this conversation, with somebody else. And they are two different things. Yes. Like an elite athletes normal level of health versus like a, like you said, a Joe Blow.
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Two different things. Like, like that's where we have to really unblur that blurred line. Yeah. On and this system has been abused before. 100%. The system has been would have been abused before. That's obviously the saying in the world of sport, the best cheaters are the ones or the best winners are the best cheaters that don't get caught.
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Yeah, exactly. And I mean, like the fact that we've had whole national federations not being able to represent their federation anymore because of instances like this and like obviously large scale scandals. Yeah. Like we can't just act like that's not still going on. Yeah. Like it's we don't want to be pointing fingers and being saying like you're that.
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Why? Unfortunately it's just the way of us being competitive sport and us also being a part of this. You hear rumbles, you hear rumors. Everybody's got people that the cell phone. Yeah, it's just natural. Like everybody has people that I don't. I'm not too sure about him. We both probably have them. We're not going to name and shame on a podcast, but like like it's unfortunately that is just the area that we're, we're in in the position where in an elite sport like.
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Yeah, exactly. Right. There's so much on the line and there are some people that yeah, the morals might not be the same. Is this the same as us where like I would just unfortunately say not good, I'm not good enough. Like, I as much as I hate to admit that I'll just be I'm not good enough. I'm not good enough.
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Yeah, mostly I don't have to say that we can. Just trying a bit harder. But you know, there's enough at the table that are literally willing to cross that threshold of what's right and wrong to be able to be the best in the world. Exactly. Right. So within this, document, the it like to not what you like to have released.
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It has a list of all of these athletes and federations, not federations, that I don't believe it has the nation that they're from. It has nothing about the athletes. Yeah, it just has, let's say World Triathlon have ticked it off. They race triathlon and it's for said drug. Yeah. So there's nothing about these people. Yeah. So they know who they are.
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There's no way that we couldn't come on here and name. No. Exactly. And I think that's the conversation that is one of the big conversations. Should these athletes or should these sports like sports and drugs have a name to them? I also think the biggest thing is would that even if it's not the name, I think the federations should be named because that is why if you if you were to say you have a real a heavily correlation on there's a lot of a lot of vaccination from this nation.
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Is there something going on there? I mean, I mean, they would have that data. So they would if that was the case, I'm sure that would be different to would be further investigation into that. But again, like knowledge is power. Sam Sam Dickinson said it once before as well. Said knowledge is power. You want it. You want to arm yourself with the knowledge of what goes into this process.
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How is this process conducted? And again, like, yes, who are the athletes? That could be potentially because like we said at the start, there are athletes that are doing this for the right reasons. They just they just want to be able to maintain and a healthy body. I would like to think most people yeah, most people are using, you know, insulin.
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And you look you can look at the list for yourself, and, and do your data diving as much as you like, but there's, there's a whole host of different, you know, drugs that are on there, like, insulin is on there, a big one like morphine. I'm just going off different based on even triathletes. Just different like oxycodone.
00;18;06;19 - 00;18;29;22
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Yeah. But they're all just like different kind of drugs that are around in the world that people need. I think the scariest one that we saw, and this is probably the big one, there's a lot there's what, 7 to 8? There's. So I've just done a little data crunch and correct me if my data crunching program is wrong, but yes, thanks.
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Chat. And it says out of the apparently there, 78 cases of toure's within triathlon. So that's World Triathlon, which includes para triathletes. Yeah. And that is also Ironman because they are two different entities. Yeah. So 78 cases, the highest, most common used substances are stimulants. So ADHD type medications. Yeah. But where probably freaks out is it's the amount of cases that use testosterone and related hormones.
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Yeah. That is where I think, tricks the ease of athletes, where you go is testosterone or a human growth hormone, necessarily, in, getting you back to a baseline? Yes, it can 100%. It can, but it is there there's a boundary where you can push, and we know you can push where you then get more benefit. What, what, it's almost like trying to ask the question, realistically, how many how many situations or scenarios are there where taking testosterone did you get to a normal, healthy level?
00;19;50;27 - 00;20;12;05
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Like we said, how many scenarios are there really? Well then how many abused? Yeah, exactly. Because that's a big one. That's a big one to get it to for. There's been it was very difficult to get as well. Like we're not saying that these people are doing anything wrong. Yeah. It would be very hard to get. So obviously we hope it's right.
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Yeah. And I think that heavily managed to as well. Like obviously there's I think there's there is a case and there is a scenario that I think quite a lot of people know about, maybe athletes and coaches in the short course, world. And again, not going to name and shame, but from what I've heard personally from friends of this athlete is that it is it is, a necessary.
00;20;40;09 - 00;21;26;03
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Yeah. It isn't necessary to tell you if, his medical condition. Yeah. However, it is also heavily watched, so. Yeah, it is it is heavily kind of guideline to this is to fit your medical condition and no more. Yeah. So but then again, we don't know who or how it's being monitored. I think that's, that's the big question is should the athletes should athletes that have to always be named for clarity and how it's monitored and administered, like how the how you administer the drug is monitored and when who by we just want peace of mind like I think clarity is the big thing big discussion on this topic.
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If you were to come out and say, look, this athlete is taking this drug, they've got the TGA for it. This is, an unbiased source who monitors it and examines it and, you know, goes through the process of allowing them to have it. Yeah. And we're all clear on it. We all understand peace of mind. Go for it.
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I don't care that I have to do it. That's that's exactly right. That's just again, it's just having that. It's, blurring that very, very blurred line. Yes. Exactly. Right. I think that's that's probably the be all and end all of this. It's. Yeah. How you have the case of should athletes that just need this drug to for day to day function be named because it might be classed as an invasion of privacy.
00;22;14;00 - 00;22;34;21
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Yeah. But like take like to a degree like but I don't who might not want to know that you have diabetes or like should that fact in your health be out there. I think like a catch catch 22 devil's advocate type. Yeah. Question. Obviously I'm open and honest about everything. Yeah. Like for me it's hard. It's hard to understand the position of somebody else.
00;22;34;21 - 00;22;59;12
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And I think you'd be the same. But it's like, with what you're doing and your profession and kind of like the, I guess high performance nature of it all. I think you kind of have to almost part with that. Yeah, I guess, yeah, I probably agree with that when it comes to a profession. Yeah. I guess it's like it's a career if if you have to go, I know the Army.
00;22;59;15 - 00;23;19;12
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Like, if you have some kind of, disease or, you know, you're not quite up to say their their standard of scratch health. Yeah. Well, then you can't join, you can't say, oh, I don't really feel comfortable. Tell. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. I have diabetes. I'm not comfortable in saying that, so. Yeah, I get the job. Yeah, yeah.
00;23;19;14 - 00;23;52;25
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I do agree with that as well. And I think we got to really also start to eliminate the uncomfortableness of talking about this like it's. Yeah, it's a scary it's a scary topic. I mean, like that's want to shoot under the. No, under the rug. No. It's not something that I, we just I mean, again, I was under very strict instructions to not name and shame and not go to opinionated on it, but it's not something that we can shy away from like, oh, I don't want to, I don't want to like, you know, maybe say something about this person or, or say something about this drug or this process because I don't want
00;23;52;25 - 00;24;17;23
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to get in trouble and I don't want to look like I think we need to get rid of that. Yeah, almost ideology and just go, look, this is this is what it is a big impact on the sport. And it is something that is affecting. Yeah. Careers. Yeah. 100%. And I mean, the fact that there is I think is just a crazy number to think about that there is 78 athletes.
00;24;17;23 - 00;24;45;22
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Yeah. Racing triathlon that have a TV, all different drugs but at least nine on a substance that we know is, you know, can be quite beneficial if used in the wrong way. Yeah. If it is uses a loophole like, yeah, sorry if the TV is used as a loophole and, you know. Yeah, we just got out. We've got to stop acting like this hasn't been used and abused before because this process has.
00;24;45;23 - 00;25;06;25
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Yeah. And I think yeah, as we said, clarity is probably the best way forward. That's probably our opinions. If you can prove to if you can prove to not not you don't have to prove and funded. But if you can prove to the sport and all the athletes in it, all the coaches, staff, all the people that are literally pouring so much money, time, effort into this, that look, you are in the clear.
00;25;06;25 - 00;25;28;22
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You do need to medically take this for a very legitimate reason. All fine. Yeah. Nobody, nobody will question it. And if you do grow up like it. Yeah. Like that's a clear reason. Yeah 100% I think we've ticked that box. Yeah. Let us know your thoughts. And our hot take is we're about the net now okay. Now now guys.
00;25;28;25 - 00;25;57;18
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No hot take I mean, nah, we might cancel the pod. Not just yet. Not just yet. There's always going to be some kind of doping thing every year. I mean, you there can't not be. Yeah. Like I oh, no no no no. Colin shot. Yeah. That's who we need a fly movie. Yeah I mean he has no like to stand on talking about this because at least these people, like he's kind of going on the side of these people are all the divers just like me.
00;25;57;19 - 00;26;18;27
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You know, they come through the process of properly getting these drugs. They can't. Do you remember that his was his was EPO straight up a column. Right. It's like I see no one on this bloody list. Yeah. EPO as a tumor. You both have. Yeah. Like to know one of the. That was probably a lot to say at that point.
00;26;19;03 - 00;26;39;07
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, as soon as I saw him and he's been getting lippy in comment sections and it's like, like, can I get a podcast and Retirer. Yeah. Yeah. Like that's the next step is this, do you go do your breathing exercises rock again or something. And like, I don't know, just go away from the sport. Yeah.
00;26;39;07 - 00;26;48;24
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We had to find someone. Yeah we did I had to get that out of it. It was burn off a lot. Yeah. All right. It's not you guys. Are you a bit lighter?
00;26;48;26 - 00;27;16;19
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Okay, let's move on to what we got very wrong. And the reason why we stay. Sure. Course not. Sure. Course is, 7.37, 3.3 a long. Yeah. Unofficial world champs. Unofficial world champs. It was far out. Those boys can run. Christian bullet. Excuse me. 106 39. Ridiculous. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just stay on course, buddy. You stay there.
00;27;16;22 - 00;27;36;23
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Did you say first? Ten k split off the bike? It was 31 something or other. 31 mid or low. And I thought to myself, that could win a lot of a lot of races. I think he did one Oceania chance. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly right. It would win a lot of counties. And that's in a half man.
00;27;36;25 - 00;27;55;19
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That's. Yeah. After 85 right. No 90 K right. Yeah. Probably at higher power as well. Yeah I mean he played a very good game. Yeah I think he, he played the long game that day like we saw Haydn was just Haydn on the bar it up ripping it off. And then did that. Probably blow him a little bit.
00;27;55;19 - 00;28;10;29
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Put him back into third and yeah it was a little bit more control and he just got a free run leg on him at the moment and put him into second. But play with I was just I think off to Taupo Alpha, but also I think gloomy may have played into the head of like, oh he didn't have a good tap.
00;28;10;29 - 00;28;28;25
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Yeah. He was a bit, yeah. Drop back on the bike and he just knew, he knew that he was going to run and win that. That was this game. It was just incredible. It was just he got off the bike in fifth and just just made his way through the field. Crazy. Is that the end of the middle distance athlete.
00;28;28;27 - 00;28;49;16
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Because I think, well, you see the top three who was in fourth that day. No. Sure. And again, they Donald. Yeah. And Josh first six. Not sure. Fourth. You know I, I would want to say a goal but I don't know. Yeah I'm not too sure either. Yeah I was going to search that up anyway, but I think that's the end of the middle distance.
00;28;49;16 - 00;29;10;24
Speakers
The pure middle distance guy. What are these guys that. No, no, no, these guys are middle distance. But I think you need a career in short course. Oh yeah. For. Yeah. Going along. There's not going to be there's not going to be anybody anymore that hasn't come through like the next. The next batches. Really good guys are going to be you Miguel Hidalgo.
00;29;10;27 - 00;29;36;19
Speakers
Yeah. Jamie Reynolds, the, the younger guys that have just come out of. Sure. Oh, Jake came fourth. Jay Boesel. Yeah, sure. Scott. Like, like multiple World Series winner. Yeah. So yeah. No, I, I agree. I tend to agree, but long course maybe they still be. Yeah. The purists like the, the let's say like those.
00;29;36;22 - 00;29;57;01
Speakers
Yeah. Who else is it? Patrick Lang. Yeah. Patrick playing. Yeah. You have it. Have a few of them I can't not long long course. Long course is a different base, but, Yeah. Long Sanders, same lungs. Yeah. Those guys will probably still be around. But, yeah, middle distance is definitely just gonna be short course dominated from now on, I think.
00;29;57;01 - 00;30;17;26
Speakers
Allstate. Hey, boy. Almost, almost to the point where they're able to do both. And we're saying they shouldn't be able to double in both. Yeah. Because he just race Napier. He just to a sprint distance and then a short super sprint relay. The next day I mean he won obviously. Yeah. And then goes in third. Very respectable.
00;30;17;26 - 00;30;34;20
Speakers
Very he might as well be a third of the world champs. Honestly. I mean I mean literally I think that's going to be the battling nice. Yeah. And Yeller and Christian first and second in the race last year. Yeah. So yeah. No I actually would tend to agree. The next best guys are going to be the ones that are coming off.
00;30;34;23 - 00;30;54;02
Speakers
I know, I honestly I predict that by the time we start to do more long course racing, probably like 20 closer to 2030, I reckon they're going to be down to 1 or 4. When I was running off the block. Yeah, probably I think so. Is that just going to quicker? Yeah. What I finds at least. Yeah. Maybe 1 in 5 something.
00;30;54;02 - 00;31;15;05
Speakers
Yeah. Within the next. Yeah. Couple of years is absolutely insane. In the bike times we just get quicker as well. Yeah. Swim I don't think so. No I think that's kind of that's pretty stable what the limit is. Yeah. But the limit but not the limit. But it's not going to get that much quicker. Yeah. It's not going to be ridiculous like these bikes and runs.
00;31;15;08 - 00;31;34;25
Speakers
Yeah. Exactly. Can I talking about running far out. Feel like we're running podcast now. Yeah we actually are. What are the what was that running podcast called the good good running. Good good running. Yeah I like running. Yeah. If I actually saw the, I kind of never remember that. He's neither. Good. Good running. Chris. Yeah. Chris is running the, the 10-K.
00;31;34;25 - 00;31;51;03
Speakers
Oh, yeah. Yeah, it looks like he was in a bit of pain. Oh, is he bounce? I think I think he ran pretty well. Yeah. No, they're good runners. But yeah, I it was interesting saying because I think John Reid and again we spoke about him before we said how good he was, I think he goes under under the radar a little bit.
00;31;51;04 - 00;32;10;07
Speakers
There was a lot of people sort of saying, oh, who's that? And even at the pool side on the Monday though, like, oh, I couldn't believe you did that. I can't not, I'm not surprised. I John's a good run. He ran, he ran a 3030 off the block in Noosa Triathlon. Yeah. Like yeah. That's an incredible ten in itself.
00;32;10;07 - 00;32;30;00
Speakers
There. He did it. This is a second second to Matt. House of that newly crowned world champ at the time. So like and he was closing one hasn't five okay. Yeah. So like John Reid I think the only reason John Reid goes on to the radar is because his weakness is probably the swim. Yeah. He comes out in that sort of in the World Series.
00;32;30;00 - 00;32;51;01
Speakers
He comes down in that sort of second. Maybe if he's having an off day third pack. But usually around that chase back. Who's in that chase back usually. Alex. Yeah. Yeah. Kentaro. Hey. Wild. So like yes. He's not running with them, but he's still an ultra running. He's still an old Toronto. I think he's the Americans. The Americans.
00;32;51;01 - 00;33;10;10
Speakers
He is USA's next. He's the English LA. Yeah. Because as he built a hype around race and you know like a couple of like that race is kind of like the the podium for a genuine pro. Yeah. Yeah. You 23 race is kind of like the cool jock. Yeah. He's lightning like people kind of like where? Like.
00;33;10;10 - 00;33;33;29
Speakers
Yeah, I swear I've heard someone say, I really hope I haven't just come up with that. Yeah, well I reckon. Yeah, yeah. That's embarrassing. But yeah, you know, he's kind of like the tires on the, Yeah, he's just that, that cool guy. And I think a lot, a lot of the expectation and probably like media hype is being about race and getting right and even like he's won some World Cup.
00;33;33;29 - 00;33;55;16
Speakers
He's been a big name in the junior the 23 sort of coming up the last couple of years. So a lot of the talk has been about getting rates into LA and him being the guy to get the little you sleeping on John race on, ride, like in my opinion, if I was the USA selector right now I'm going no because who else is there?
00;33;55;18 - 00;34;21;01
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Say if USA in my eyes they're going to have three. Yeah, they're going to automatically get to two men. Two women. I just I think they're going to get a third for, for the Olympics. John Reed is your stable guy. Yeah. John Reid's the guy that's he's got experience. Race at a young age. Multiple World Series years is a safe bet to be in at least the Chase pack.
00;34;21;01 - 00;34;41;14
Speakers
Yeah. Get into the front pack. Give him two more years. John Reid is dangerous. Could be a medal contender. Yeah, in my eyes, John. Rage is stable guy race. Venison is your dark horse. Yeah. Give him another two years. Who knows what he's running? Who knows what he's running? But he rocks or diamonds. Yeah. He's either winning World Cups.
00;34;41;18 - 00;35;01;00
Speakers
He's either setting the world alight or is fighting for 48th place. Yeah. Or is DNF and crashing like he did in the way guy rocks are diamonds. Yeah, but he's a dark horse that could do something really well, then I think you're throwing a Death Rider. Yes. Death ride is just third guy in my eyes. Really strong swimmer, really, really strong cyclist.
00;35;01;02 - 00;35;21;28
Speakers
And on his day can pull out a strong run. Not a race that isn't John Reed of run, but he's your guy. That's going to be your domestique if you need him to be. He's you really guy. Like he's a strong all around three. If I'm the US, that's my three. But let's let's throw a bit more John Reed's way in the John Reed action.
00;35;22;03 - 00;35;39;07
Speakers
Yeah yeah yeah that's my pick. I gave it a real good on analysis. That was good. Yeah. That was that was really good. Yeah. Like that. He just ran 10s quicker than Miguel Hidalgo did in Miguel's 10-K. I don't know what I saw this guy bring up. Yeah, I don't know what Miguel was. I don't know what the course is like for him.
00;35;39;07 - 00;35;56;29
Speakers
I'm assuming it was in Brazil. Yeah. Really hot. But, I mean, the weekend was really hot as well. Yeah, 70% of it was into a bit of a headwind, which is makes it so much more impressive. And solo. He was solo literally. I forgot to say what he could go with a pack or on track because he saw last year the wild.
00;35;56;29 - 00;36;21;05
Speakers
Yeah. What did he run? 27. It was 40. Yeah. I reckon he could get low. 28. Yeah, honestly, I was when I first or I was at the start line and I wanted to get like the first, maybe two K's with I thought was going to be Houser. And I saw this person just take off. I was like, yeah, kid, who's I didn't know was John.
00;36;21;05 - 00;36;35;14
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I was like, I just thought it was some person being an idiot. You know how some people sometimes just run like a a ten second hundred to lead out? Yeah, yeah. And they throw their arms up like that. I thought it was that. And then I took a close look. I was like oh my God. That's that's John.
00;36;35;21 - 00;36;54;08
Speakers
I thank God he's you because he saved the content. Yeah. But he apparently he went through five Canyon. So 14. Yeah. He was on track. Oh yeah. Well he would have. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So because obviously majority of it was a headwind. He really wanted a buffer. Yeah. So he went through the first five came about a 1351 fire.
00;36;54;10 - 00;37;18;19
Speakers
Yeah. And then yeah, obviously the rest it was into a headwind. So really hard job there. But yeah. And then to hold on to a 2836 just wow. Insane. And a 2844 for Miguel Hidalgo. It's also crazy, which is also insane. So you have to be essentially a 28 minute guy if you're not a sound 29 guys fresh like you're not not really going to make takes.
00;37;18;19 - 00;37;41;17
Speakers
I'll run in some 28. Yeah, yeah. Like killing yourself. So, you know, this morning Jesus. Yeah. This morning session it was like, oh, as you know, even my last K of the run today. Yeah. Was what John raid averaged for the ten. Yeah. Yeah. She's incredible crazy stuff. Yeah. It's scary to think that we need to try and beat them.
00;37;41;20 - 00;38;01;14
Speakers
Yeah. I don't know. Under the last one, the World Cup. Lighten had you go watching this one. I was training. You didn't watch it. And then I also went to stay 100 n watch it, so I didn't watch it. Make sure call especially see it. And, well, haven't bought the two weeks in a row. I know this one was very two weeks in a row.
00;38;01;15 - 00;38;20;00
Speakers
We have I know one, two three ones I'll watch this for and finish on Instagram. No no no life. Oh God. Yeah. Which one? Men's or women's? The men's. And I was on the tram. The wins. Okay, well, I guess I'll do this then. Yeah, yeah. You recap it for me. It was, it was a really good a really good race.
00;38;20;00 - 00;38;43;20
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I really enjoyed watching these men's and I just want to say I'm just killing it with the predictions. Yeah. You are a big person that again, unfortunately, Max stood up. Not 100% sure what happened to him, but yeah, I didn't see him at all. But right. Super quick swim had Michael. God, just. They put the fish. He is in that in that swim.
00;38;43;22 - 00;39;04;14
Speakers
Fish and the goldfish. It is the guy. You know, we should. Oh, that's good. The GA fish. We have race lightning and GA fish race a lot in God fish. Who else can we get? Who else can we name? But yeah, he just. He tore it up and essentially there was two main, main packs, with the big hitters in it.
00;39;04;14 - 00;39;25;09
Speakers
You had, you had to write a verse, who was up there? Right? Ollie Conway, a lot of Brits, a lot of Brits is Brit dominant. Very, very scary. How many Brits there are and you didn't have you Jack Willis, you kind of Bentley. You say Dickinson year Mark Stapleton didn't have like you Alex. Yeah you would say top tier like British.
00;39;25;09 - 00;39;44;01
Speakers
These are the young guys coming up and they. There was just a lot of them at the front. Yeah. So yeah there was a lot of Brits in the front. And then. Yeah. Then you had your team Hellwig was there as well. So he was making sure people were working on the black. And then you chase pack, they're about 15 to 20s down basically the whole time you had your Callum McCloskey.
00;39;44;01 - 00;40;04;01
Speakers
Easy. He got the honors. David Quintero, obviously. And about a lot being. I thought contenders won this by a lot into the wrong. Yeah. You had Michael Garcia just off the front. And if it was, if it was a race, the two and a half K Mahindra won the GA fish. He was looking so strong. Like I want to say sort of.
00;40;04;01 - 00;40;32;03
Speakers
Hey, all this, this is the most incredible win I've ever seen. He didn't hold it. I think he finished in 11th. But a very, very honest performance. Yeah. Yeah. He had the second lap come around. Only Conway and Tim Hellwig just kind of went to work. That had to. You had David Quintero just flying and then with about two K to go, you just saw he got Milner the huge figure of Hugo Milner.
00;40;32;05 - 00;40;54;03
Speakers
Man flying like he ran a 1351. That's all the bike like flying I think he he got to the back of him with what I want to say about 500m to go. Yeah. So I saw from here. Yeah. So like and when he caught up to him I don't know I don't know what tactics is going through. He got me on his mind here.
00;40;54;03 - 00;41;19;07
Speakers
But he sat on Ollie Conway and Team Hell. We should have gone. I think he should. He's going around. You had the momentum, but would he have been able to hold on like it would have? He just gapped 20s to Ollie Conway and Tim Hellwig. Not slow runners. No, no 1510 run. If he could have got in front and kept it going well he would have got what he would have got anyway.
00;41;19;10 - 00;41;35;21
Speakers
Yeah. Worst case it didn't matter when when I saw him. When I saw him in the last year, you kind of had that bird's eye angle where he closed and he closed quick when I saw him pull up and sit in third. I wasn't sure if that was a great idea. Yeah, I kind of thought he probably should use that momentum again.
00;41;35;23 - 00;41;55;10
Speakers
1350 rather. So I didn't quite get my expert opinion here of something I've never done. Yeah, yeah yeah, maybe should just run a bit quicker. I've never done that. So. But still just an incredible thought. That was an insane run. And then I had this sprint finish Team Hell week. I feel so bad for the guy. Two weeks in a row they've heaped on the line.
00;41;55;10 - 00;42;15;15
Speakers
Two weeks in a row, he'll be doing his VO2 sprint. You know, he's doing some 200 max in these sessions. Yeah. Bell again honorable honorable I didn't even I didn't really have Tim Hellwig all gains here or I didn't have either him on the podium because I essentially thought that's a long travel. I both went to the well last weekend in Lanzarote.
00;42;15;20 - 00;42;36;26
Speakers
They just missed consistent. They run exactly the same time. Second, fourth. Yeah. Like just insane. But yeah, I feel bad for Tim. Ollie Conway though. I've got to give me flowers. A young kid just doing doing numbers from last year. He might be that next. Great hope for the UK. They don't need another one. Oh I know right.
00;42;36;29 - 00;43;09;04
Speakers
I've got about 15. You've got a distance right. Like you can't, you can't. They can't keep doing this. They can't. You've just I just pray the bell mate that you've just added to Brownlee's like just be the most dominant forces. They flip the game of triathlon. Then you've had it Alex. Yeah. Another just Alex Reed phenomenon. Probably the the All In Trials on podcast said it probably the most impressive endurance athlete in the world in cross endurance sport right now.
00;43;09;06 - 00;43;31;21
Speakers
And then you've got an old Conway who's swim in front pack strong as an ox on the bike. He's so young and he's so young. He's run the 14, tens of 14, 15. It's kind of it's kind of pissing me off that you can't engage with a. Michael got a brand of. Hi. Yeah. Hi. Hugo Milner coming in for our juniors.
00;43;31;21 - 00;43;49;12
Speakers
Yeah, I think, I don't know, I mean, we do know what the Brits are doing. Sam Dickinson sat in the podcast two weeks ago and told us that in doing everything, everything, everything, that's why they're doing everything we need to. We need to have a, investigation into what the Brits are doing. We need to copy that process to get a spy that no one's not telling us everything.
00;43;49;13 - 00;44;12;23
Speakers
Oh, no. No. Yeah, it's just keeping it to us. Just some secrets the British have got around in India. Yeah, and she's keeping some secrets when she goes back. Honestly, super impressive from Conway. And for me, Hugo Milner, athlete of the week. Yeah, that's impressive. A 1351 and just one. And just the way he did it. And he crashed only a couple weeks ago.
00;44;12;23 - 00;44;32;03
Speakers
Crashing always go like that was essential. Why you. Yeah I'll root him out because I thought oh actually he's going to be a bit sore. He's a scary one. If he, if he can hang onto obviously we know his ballocks the weakness. Like he struggles to see the impact. He's still new to the triathlon. Same man if we if we if Hugo Milner can get into a chase pack.
00;44;32;03 - 00;44;52;20
Speakers
Yeah. You get him in the chase back and you get him holding on to a chase back a 32nd gap is not. Yeah it's enough. Yeah. That which is just scary into the women's any of the women's ashes. Also another pretty decent sprint finish. I didn't watch I'll watch this from finish again. I'll be honest, I actually wasn't like.
00;44;52;23 - 00;45;11;17
Speakers
But, Right. It was, it was essentially the same thing, same bike. Those kind of few large packs. Only thing with this second race in a row, we've had a pretty major crash in the year. I'm not sure. Israeli, the Israeli athlete, and one that some people thought was going to be a dark horse to take a podium.
00;45;11;17 - 00;45;35;17
Speakers
That was one that we got a few, we got a few messages on the unfunded pod, sort of saying, do you guys actually know what you talked about? Like you should just Rileys and just come out of that weren't too happy with us, but, yeah, it's it's now pro tri news. I'm naming a lot of podcasts today, but Pro Tri News spoke on it actually, on the moto the the motos.
00;45;35;17 - 00;45;55;04
Speakers
And then there was a Lanzarote incident where, Chinese law has actually crashed into the codes. Yeah. What are those codes necessary to be there, or was it just kind of like an obstacle in the. Sometimes the codes are really dangerous and we don't need probably take down more people then. Yeah. Yeah. If we know that there's a white line.
00;45;55;05 - 00;46;14;22
Speakers
Yeah. But like the white packs going on now, you're not meant to cross the center line. Sometimes a pack will just expand out of nowhere and it'll just be ten across the road. And that's what happens. And I know you don't want it to happen, but that's better than crashing. Yeah, yeah, exactly like it was. It was almost like.
00;46;14;22 - 00;46;31;12
Speakers
And the way pro Chinese explained it was the coins of obviously so small that under the eyesight of we're looking at the person in front of us, if the coins are above them, we don't know it's there. Yeah. And obviously the coins aren't there. They're small coins. So like you pull out, it's right there. You're going down. Which is what we saw on lands.
00;46;31;12 - 00;46;55;03
Speakers
Everybody. This is a different scenario. I think she's quick to look like she's cleared the wheel. So that was driver error. Try there. That's good. That's funny. But yeah. So sometimes it's, Sometimes maybe we need almost. Yeah, I could think about it if there's too many. If there's too many crashes, athletes health and safety is probably, you know.
00;46;55;03 - 00;47;18;01
Speakers
Yeah. Paramount. Exactly. We need to sort of figure out however, under the sprint finish, we had another three three way sprint finish. So I have Luigi Sean late. I always forget her name. Diana. Even though I never. Yeah, she won it again. If a clover somehow is a is a cova, it's I don't know. You know the one.
00;47;18;06 - 00;47;39;09
Speakers
Yeah. That one on the blue. So yeah. Those guys as well, the voices I own represents alien. Yeah. Honestly, I think we kind of knew. Yeah. I just you didn't want to pick it. I probably the only people I'm not too nervous to name and shame, but I don't like picking the I in the I an athlete.
00;47;39;09 - 00;48;01;05
Speakers
I'm not a huge fan of him. You kind of knew what I was really hoping for. Sean. I really I think Sean is a is a really good athlete and of the great runner, obviously she got third. So like that's a great achievement. But I think it is great. Yeah. The vision social analogy, I think that was more impressive.
00;48;01;07 - 00;48;18;20
Speakers
But she's a great runner though. Yeah. Get her in a position like that. And I'm not I'm not that, like, not crazy. Surprised I've known about Sophie Mallory from when she was, like, 16 years old. Like she was, I think one of those athletes that kind of got lost in the system a little bit. Kind of growing up.
00;48;18;20 - 00;48;38;09
Speakers
Like she's a. She was, our best athlete alongside Brittany Dalton back in the 16, 17, 18 years old. The girls, like they were a big hope. So. So if you just coming back into form, and I think if Sophie can get consistent and get racing well and get start. Yeah. Experience like she could be a big hope for us.
00;48;38;09 - 00;48;59;05
Speakers
Yeah I think so you know. Right. Right. Yeah. And so very, very open in that kind of like women's department in Australia especially. Yeah. So no that was cool. Was good breakout. We've had a few couple of breakouts in the World Cups. They've been exciting, exciting racing early on in the season. So we've got a little bit of a gap now.
00;48;59;05 - 00;49;18;03
Speakers
So we obviously just had haiku. We've got we've actually got an exciting one. Maddie has a lining up in the next two weeks in a local race. Just a local race will be down there. So in the first of, not holding my breath, though. Yeah, I know, I still think. Yeah. Good point. I mean, I'll be in China, so.
00;49;18;05 - 00;49;39;22
Speakers
Oh, sorry. Yeah. How's the months, like, off again? But next race we got now is, Not until World Series. Hopefully our first World Series of the season. Yeah. The week 25, 26 and seven. End of April. Yeah. So, fingers crossed in a month. Fingers crossed that we've got to keep some, topics on for the pod right now, then.
00;49;39;23 - 00;50;00;23
Speakers
Yeah, we'll see if they have any big names, you know. Yeah. But I once again, that's all for today. Thank you very much for listening. To anybody that is still listening, Yvonne, from the tune of I said, as I said, race lightning, whoever they were, that's enough to match. American talk is American. Anyway, again, we want to hear from you.
00;50;00;24 - 00;50;21;11
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00;50;21;11 - 00;50;44;14
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00;50;44;17 - 00;50;47;11
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