97: He Sold Everything and Moved to Costa Rica with Tony O'Neill

The road to someday leads to a town called Never. That warning moved Tony from Indianapolis to a surf town in Costa Rica.

Tony O'Neill, founder of Highline Outdoor Group, runs executive search for the outdoor and sporting goods industry and once built Yeti's leadership team during its biggest growth run. He tells Keith Tyner and Doug Shrieve why he and his wife Marla were not trying to escape Indianapolis, and what finally made leaving practical.

This episode covers:
• Why paying off a mortgage created the capital for land abroad
• What selling a house by owner looks like with one showing window
• How location independence and time zones shaped the business model
• When a winter rental became a land purchase and an architect
• Whether a lifetime of belongings deserves one shipping container

Tony's one piece of guidance for anyone circling a move this big: do it immediately, don't wait.

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relocation.

It's not for the faint at heart.

But if I did have to give one small piece of guidance, do it immediately.

Don't wait.

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Hey Doug.

Hey, good morning.

Good morning.

We are we are gathered today.

Dear friends, I forget how Prince's song kicks off.

Do you guys know that song?

I do.

Dearly beloved, we are gathered here today.

I mean, that's just that's what everybody should listen to in the morning is you know when
you wake up, let let's go crazy or something like that.

Is that the song, Tony?

I'm I'm trying I'm trying to think through it and and

Fish was in Indiana a c about a month and a half ago and they played a print song and I I
it was cream.

They played cream, so it's not the same song.

Did you go to the fish concert?

I did.

That that concert was my 30th anniversary of seeing fish with same group of friends.

Man, whoever's listening

And and whoever has ever listened to Fish is completely judging you right now.

They're like, I got this guy figured out.

We don't need to listen to him uh anymore.

I'm not.

So so we've got my good friend Tony O'Neill with us today.

And and Tony and I crossed paths uh a while ago, thanks thanks to our kids.

But um I wanted Tony to come on today to help.

Just light a fire for somebody who needs a spark to think differently.

That's one of Keith's mottos, Tony, think differently about their life.

And and so Tony, you're you're you're waking up in Costa Rica this morning.

And I'm curious, what is it what would you tell somebody, what is it like to wake up in
Costa Rica versus waking up in Indianapolis?

Yeah.

So

Doug Keith, good to see you both this morning and appreciate you appreciate the invite to
come on.

And so waking up in Costa Rica is a little bit different.

The main difference would be one is the sun and the light.

It's light outside a lot earlier.

So I was up today about four thirty and by five AM, um, you've got you can see you can see
where you're walking through the jungle.

I'd say the second thing, and this is something I really, really love about living here,
is you know, our bedrooms obviously are well, our whole house can be air conditioned, but

it's all individually controlled.

So you leave the master bedroom and you walk out into the part of the home, you know, the
main part of the home and it's warm every morning.

Yeah, that that's pretty sweet.

So light and warmth.

I mean, who wouldn't want that?

Darkness and cold.

Like we could apply that to every area of life.

Spiritually, uh physically, light and warmth.

So, Tony, like if we were to go back in the time machine with you, you were living in
Indianapolis.

Were you born in Indianapolis?

I was born on the south side of Chicago.

Okay.

And so give us what in the world is that?

All right.

For for those of you who are driving.

I'm still stuck in Leroy Brown, is what I'm thinking.

I'm the south side of Chicago.

That just really threw me off big time.

Okay, so that's also what it's like living in Costa Rica.

So for those of you who are not watching this, Tony, describe what you just lifted up.

I mean, I've got a can of like I I'm pretending I've got a can of lemon lime Waterloo
here.

What the heck is that?

This is a pipa frio.

So this is this is a young coconut.

And this morning when I got when I came back out of the ocean and I got into the little
cruiser to come back home, I stopped by my friend Gato, who sells these on the side of the

road out of um like a like an old freezer.

And he's been doing this for 20 years.

And I've I pegged him that he must be a millionaire by now with how many of these he's
sold over 20 years.

What's one of those set me back in dollars?

In dollars, about two bucks.

I thought that was pretend.

Like I thought you got that at like o off what's the Timu or whatever.

That's a that's a real thing.

What's it called again?

It's called a pipa frio.

So what that is, it's a young cold coconut.

my gosh.

How great.

So if we go back in the time machine, south side of Chicago, you migrate to Indianapolis
somehow, you're not drinking pipa fros fríos.

What was life like?

Yeah.

So my family moved from Chicago to Indianapolis when I was ten.

So I've spent the most of my most of my life living in Indianapolis.

So I guess to answer your question,

Actually, Doug, I forgot your question.

Ask me that question again.

Well yeah, what was life like for you like before Costa Rica?

Like, yeah.

What what describe that?

So the story, you know, obviously starts well before Costa Rica.

And I was living in San Francisco and I was helping build my f um, I guess it would be my
third financed startup.

And when that chapter ended, I moved back to Indianapolis and I had an opportunity

you know, out there and through a few other organizations I was part of to work with some
really incredibly smart people, really good leaders.

And but what I realized was I wanted more control over the direction of my, you know, my
business and ultimately my life.

And then I started to reverse engineer really the life that I wanted.

And so where did this idea that Costa Rica might be a part of it?

come into play.

Yeah.

So there there are a few things that mattered to me when I was coming, you know, w and
again I I have to start a little bit a little bit before Costa Rica.

And the things that mattered to me was I needed to earn enough to support the lifestyle
that I wanted.

I wanted a choice in whatever business I got involved with to scale a company with
employees or operate as a solopreneur.

And another thing that was really important to me, and this is probably a big piece of it,
was I wanted to I wanted the business to be location independent and within a reasonable

time zone of whatever wherever I was doing the business.

And you know, the other thing was I I really wanted control over my calendar so I could
prioritize health, training, things I love doing.

And I've always been an athlete.

Um, so in Indianapolis, like being able to ride um midday, um, swim, lift when I wanted
to, train at times where my body felt that it was it was in the best the best time for me

to to be active.

And that ultimately, you know, became my business, which is Highline Outdoor Group.

and Highline is an executive search for my, you know, my core area of expertise is the
outdoor industry and the sporting goods industry.

And um so by it'll be speed up now and by 2017 or 2018, um, we had a really good life in
Indianapolis.

Um we lived in Meridian Kessler.

Um at that point I had met my wife now Marla and her two boys.

I'd fallen in love with the three of them.

And my office was about five minutes away in Broader Pool.

And I normally, you know.

Work in the morning, somewhere around midday, I'd ride or swim with my swim group, or I'd
go to the gym, um, train, then return back to the office.

And so at that time, you know, in all honesty, we weren't we weren't trying to escape
Indianapolis.

We we genuinely liked our life.

And, you know, what I'd unknowingly done was you know I built a business that allowed us
to start, I guess, sort of asking a bigger question.

And where do we actually want to live?

And so I guess that's where something, you know, I'd been sitting in the background for I
call it 25 years of, you know, I've been a wannabe surfer.

I'd I'd lived in the Bay Area earlier in my life with my family.

It caught my first wave.

And and so I I guess I think Indianapolis has many, many wonderful qualities.

Um, but surf breaks surf breaks are not one of them.

Yeah.

And I can remember you would you would

Paddle a longboard on the White River, right?

I would before surf trips.

And it's you know, you'd always anyone like myself that lived landlocked where you're
trying to, you know, get ready for a surf trip, um, you're never like it's and I now know

this because I've been able to surf, you know, two hundred, two hundred and fifty days a
year.

Um, there's nothing that replaces surfing.

So you can no matter how many push ups, pull ups, weights, paddling up the nasty white
river on a on a on a surf.

Or not expired you from getting into the ocean.

And I think if I mem my memories right, you would watch surf reports and and Lake
Michigan, and it didn't matter the season, you would go up.

That's a good mem that's a good memory, Doug.

So so it was Lake Michigan, what most people don't realize, legitimately has waves.

Now those waves only come in from storms.

And they typically only arrive in the fall and the winter.

And so, yes.

Um, I would ping the surf reports.

I would drive from Indianapolis up to St.

Joseph, Michigan.

I'd put on the thickest wetsuit you've ever seen.

Um, by the time I got the wetsuit on, I was already spent.

And then I would uh you'd get into forty degree water with waves crashing on your head,
which is like a nonstop ice headache.

And then you'd

Hope to somehow be able to get your body to move in a giant piece of foam and rubber and
slide into a wave or two and then uh and then make the three and a half hour drive home.

And with that, you were probably surfing a longboard, weren't you?

Definitely.

up there, you know, the waves are you they're obviously not gonna be waves of consequence
or not gonna be overhead waves.

Not that they're and there can be on the Great Lakes, but they were these were knee high
waves, so a longboard was the the optimal

size uh surf portify you're driving up there hours driving back hours just to go straight
on a longboard pretty much just to go straight on a longboard that's that's just that's

incredible so like and and Keith jump in anytime you know I I could talk to Tony all day.

Um so so when you you guys made the decision, hey, we're gonna do something, was Costa
Rica the only one on the radar?

Or were you looking at like South Africa?

Where did you go watch Endless Summer 2, like on repeat?

Or how how did you decide Costa Rica?

Yeah, that's that's a good question.

So um everything was on, everything was on the table.

And I had spent f before meeting Marla, four winters living in different parts of Asia and
Southeast Asia.

And Marla also was well traveled throughout Asia and both of us

We loved we loved Bali.

I didn't think I could actually live in Bali.

Um, but we, you know, we kind of looked at the map and, you know, all these we had all
sometimes when you have a lot of options, it's more difficult.

but I, you know, I think we didn't we didn't just look at a map, say Costa Rica was it.

Right.

There's I think the story starts a little bit before that also.

And we had both, you know, we loved warm weather.

The cold weather was hard on both of us, hard on our bodies.

And, you know, we both of us had independently gone through different Tony Robbins
programs.

And, you know, really one of the I one idea or one quote that he said had stuck with me
and something that we talked about quite a bit.

And the quote goes something like this.

I don't think I can say it, Verbatim, but he The road to someday leads to a town um called
Never.

And we kept thinking, you know.

is two people that loved being in warm, warm climates, we kept thinking someday, oh, we'll
move to Scottsdale or someday we'll move to Florida or you know someday I'll surf

regularly.

Right.

And so we started asking, why does all this have to be someday?

And so we weren't we weren't ever really talking about, you know, I I guess not abandoning
Indianapolis or um, but we

We needed to find a place that that we both enjoyed.

And I I guess that is kind of leads to how Costa Rica even came on the map for us.

And that was I had been to this town that we live in now.

So now it would have been 26 years ago.

And as things progressed in our life.

I guess this would have been two thousand eighteen.

I came up with this idea.

I go, why don't why don't I go down to No Star and check it out?

'Cause I told her about it.

And why don't I rent try to rent us a condo for the winter or a house?

And she was on board.

So uh some guys and I are going through a proverbs a day.

And and the other day, this is the proverb that came up that reminds me of the um quote
that you just gave from uh Tony

Is it Tony Robbins?

Yeah.

and this one unfortunately Caroline's familiar with.

Uh hope deferred makes the heart sick, but desire fulfilled is a tree of life.

How sweet is that?

That's beautiful.

Tony, I was when I was thinking about you in in on the back of my card I have like five
principles that I think are key for financial advice.

One's think differently, second's buy wisdom, third is like what you do, fourth is live
adventurously, and then the fifth thing is generosity wins.

And I just see that all embodied in you.

And I I'm

Just curious 'cause it's a somebody that is able to do all that just seems very rare in my
experience on planet Earth.

And and so when I was thinking about our time together, uh I guess a question I have, d
did you ever play baseball?

Maybe two years when I was young.

Baseball w I was I mostly played hockey.

Okay.

So

One one of the principles of baseball was that you run through first and to all the other
bases, including home plate.

Yeah.

And one of the things that I noticed about you was a through first base kind of thing that
I don't know anybody else that did it.

And so that's what I wanted to ask you was you have a silver palm.

What does that mean?

Is that right?

I do.

Yeah, and I don't I don't know.

Uh I I was researching it a little bit.

I found a guy named um Roland Salatino that has 17 palms, which is unbelievable.

But a a uh single palm, a bronze I think it's a bronze palm, is running past first base.

Like the the Eagle Scout requires a certain thing and

I don't know very many Eagle Scouts that ever got a palm.

And so you got two of So what motivated you to go past the Eagle Scout?

I guess is my question.

Well that that is a good question.

So motivation, I mean, part of it also is more the motivation, right?

My my parents put a lot into my scouting.

And I don't I would I don't think I would have pursued or be able to finish my Eagle Scout
um had I not had two very supportive parents.

And

What the palm represents is, like you said, going past first base, it's accumulation of
merit badges that exceed the already very large amount of merit badges required to reach

the level of Eagle Scout.

And to answer your question bluntly, I think it was my curiosity.

It was it was wanting to learn more because each merit badge was another skill um that you
would learn, that you would then be um gauged on, judge not judge, but you'd have to

You'd have to pass an exam, pass tests, and be able to prove that you're competent in a
specific discipline or skill typically involved with the outdoors.

Well that I was it was funny as I was kinda checking out your history and things and I was
doing some writing last week and and I don't really live with regrets, but I think like

the closest thing to it when I was raising my son, I probably would have pushed him harder
into Boy Scouts had had I

thought more about it because I did get I did get my Eagle Scout and it it took there was
a lot I learned from that that I n I just have been reflecting on lately.

But what I was curious was it it has a reputation of being for nerds is w uh and for a lot
of reasons.

But when I reflect on it, it's one of the coolest things I ever did.

Like the stuff I was constantly doing was

I wasn't surfing in Costa Rica, but I was spelunking, I was repelling, I was doing
everything that everybody wants to do.

And so like the Boy Scouts, it seems like they've just tripped over themselves in their
marketing of this.

You know, um, it is I'm very grateful for it too, Keith.

I'd I you know, when I look back, I mean, besides the skills, right, w we learned
perseverance, right?

We learned how to keep pushing when you when everything's kind of telling you to stop.

Yeah, one of the other things I was reflecting on when I was uh thinking about it when I
went through it, it was many years before you, but uh there was a there was a time

limitation to advance from one rank to the next back then.

And when I was researching it, that's not necessarily the case except for the last from
Life to Eagle.

And then I think each of the palms had a three month limitation on them.

But when I was thinking about the time limitation, it meant you had to learn some patience
if you're an aggressive personality.

You couldn't get the next rank without waiting for that time frame to end.

So there's a just a lot of ideas that were really critical for me over the years.

Definitely know that I took mine to the wire right before I turned eighteen.

And that was I mean, as you start driving, right?

You get I mean, girls, all the things that happen in life, and you're like Boy Scouts?

And uh I just said

My parents never pushed me though.

Like they were just very supportive.

they never really pushed me into anything, which is amazing.

Like I never felt forced from them, but I talked to so many friends and people that I know
that parents they did push and and and pressure and um there was none of that in my high

my household.

That's really cool.

Well, I I just wanted to touch on that.

I just thought that was a cool I learned something today.

I I didn't I didn't know what the palms were.

I've I've never I've never heard of that.

They represent

Palms historically represent a certain amount of loyalty or or just a privileged place and
to get I think I had enough merit badges for a poem.

I had no motivation to do what probably all I had to do was fill out a piece of paper to
get it, but I just couldn't get I just like you said, I'm driving, I'm chasing all these

things and I just have the motivation to to get the poem.

Yeah, and I don't think it required anything.

So

And now you have palm trees.

I'm assuming you have palm trees.

do I have some palm trees?

Did people think you were crazy when you did this?

Yeah.

I I don't know.

I don't know if crazy is the right word.

People were very surprised.

I I think it was difficult for a lot of people to understand at first.

And it probably was a little bit difficult for us to understand, right?

It you know, when we when we had rented the condo, Marla had never even been here.

So I came down here, you know, it was difficult difficult to find a place here.

It was a very, very expensive to find a place.

And

You know, once I had the condo secured, and it was about six months before we moved down
here.

Now we and we didn't move, we just were gonna be spend the winter here.

And in that six months is when it got really interesting because that's that's when we
started thinking about it more and more.

And we're, you know, we even had the you know, this is where I mean, I think this is
really interesting, you know, Doug, with our, you know, some conversations that we had was

And I actually can remember this.

It was, I think it was June of 2018.

And I had gone to the Outer Banks on a surf trip.

And I took my dog.

His name was Chief.

Yeah.

And I decided he'd had this crazy surgery.

He wasn't supposed to survive.

He came back.

I said, This dog makes it.

He's never seen a beach.

I'm gonna take him there.

So we go to the outer banks.

And I had rented a place,

on the outer banks and you and I spoke one of the nights I was there, Doug.

And at that time I had I had some you and I were already, you know, we'd been friends,
then we're at our professional relationship.

And I I'd had a I'd come off a couple good years of work.

I had I had finished building out the entire executive team for Yeti coolers during their
biggest growth period.

Um while we

Basically, we're taking Yeti into growing them into doing IPO.

And I had some capital I wanted to deploy.

And you and I set up a call and we talked about it.

And you know, this is this is really interesting because you know my business and you know
that I make a pretty good living.

but there's swings in what you earn in executive surge.

Right.

You may have the front of the year, you make all your money in the first three months.

It's just, it's that kind of swing in how this business um generates revenue.

And my question to you is where we should deploy the capital.

And you actually gave me some advice.

Not actually you the vi exact advice you gave me was instead of deploying it into equities
or other types of um investments.

You recommended that I pay off the house of Meridian Kessler.

And I did it.

And I didn't think anything of it other than you, you know, the guidance that you gave me.

You said, Tony, this is going to smooth things out where you don't have, you know, you
won't have the burden of having to make these payments or reach these payments.

And I took your advice.

And so I paid off a pretty sizable home.

And that freed me up.

I I guess sort of mentally freed me up of, you know, trying to earn a certain amount each
month or whatever, whatever it took to keep that house up and running.

And so paying off the house meant one less big monthly payment.

And um, and at that time though, I wasn't thinking about Costa Rica.

So that was before we rented the condo down there.

And so now the condo's rented.

We've got a few months before we go down there.

And that's when we just started

You know, sort of dreaming this idea, like, what if we really like it?

What if we wanted to buy a small place or buy a piece of land?

And, you know, it wasn't until I guess when Marla came down to visit me.

So I came down two weeks before her.

So this would have been February of 2019.

And when she

I said, would you like to go with a broker when you get here?

We'll go we'll go look at some real estate.

And she said, Yeah.

I go, when do want to do it?

She goes, How about day one?

So when you get when you get to this town that we live in, at first, day one, you're like,
What the heck did I w what is this place?

It's dusty.

There's no paved roads.

Everything looks like the jungle.

Everything's getting eaten by the jungle.

Um, and it doesn't make sense.

Like it's an uncomfortable place when you first come for your first time.

drive in here two and a half, three hours from the airport, some of the worst roads you've
ever seen on the planet actually exist in this country.

And so I prepped her.

I said, look, you're gonna, it's gonna be quite extreme when you get here.

And then by day two, it still doesn't make sense.

But day three, it kind of dawns on you a little bit.

You're like, okay, okay, I know where the coffee shop is.

Okay, I understand where this jungle path goes.

And then by day four, you're like, my goodness.

Like you ca you came and make sense how beautiful this place is.

And so day one, we go out with a broker, and this is what kind of adventure spirit Marla
is.

And after we visited, I think we visited maybe eight pie eight between eight eight houses
and pieces of land.

And I go, What do you think?

She goes, I'm in.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was a big moment for you.

It was a big, a big moment.

And

During the time leading up to her coming down, we started kind of plotting and scheming,
being like, Well, what if we need capital to buy a piece of land or a home?

Well, the guidance you gave me six months prior to pay off the house in Rudy and Kessler
gave me the o the opportunity to get a HELOC, a home equity line of credit.

So we already had this in our mind that if we fell in love with the place, we wanted to,
you know

build a surf shack, but this would then open up um capital, do something that we probably
wouldn't have been able to do otherwise.

Yeah, that's amazing.

Tony, the um a friend of ours said many months ago, um, I think pushing us as a team, what
are you afraid of?

And when I think of like

the the road to someday leads through the town of never.

Like our friends that are watching or who who will watch, they may be in their 80s, they
may be in their twenties.

Um how how would you encourage them to not be afraid of whatever is out there in front of
them?

They may not be going to Costa Rica, but you know, when you're 80, maybe just going to the
grocery may be scary.

When you're 20,

Leaving Indianapolis and moving to Chicago might be scary.

So how would you encourage them to take that first step?

I think that and this is something I've got to tell myself quite frequently, that our
lives, the the more memories and experiences we can collect, the richer our lives get.

So I don't think I can say anything that gets someone over the hump to do of international
relocation.

It's not for the faint at heart.

But if I did have to give one small piece of guidance, do it immediately.

Don't wait.

I like that.

That's really good.

You're in the someday loop.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's that's really good.

I went to a breakfast this week, a friend of mine spoke about how he and a couple guys are
trying to rebrand the city of Indianapolis to speed city.

And they're embracing, they're embracing the culture

Of boldness and taking action.

And they referenced how the City of Indianapolis built the Hoosier Dome before they had a
professional school uh sports team.

They did it.

Or during the um COVID time period, City of Indianapolis hosted the bubble NCAA
tournament.

And no other city in the country could do it, but they did it, and they did it with speed.

And so I think that's really great advice.

Do it immediately.

I think one last thing, Tony, that I think about with you is is you were able to sell a
bunch of treasures and get rid of a bunch of stuff.

I didn't you move a shipping container to Costa Rica or something like that?

Like you pretty much sold everything you had, right?

Pretty much.

You know that

That was an interesting period of time because after we had acquired the piece of land
down here, we immediately this was on the this is when we had the condo.

We immediately started speaking to builders and architects.

And we chose an architect and we started going through the whole plan design phase of the
piece of land that we were going to try to purchase.

And during that period, you know, we knew that we were going to need to sell the Berdine
Kessler house and most of our uh

most of our belongings, not all of them.

And so Marla had she went back to Indianapolis a couple of weeks before me as I finite I
finished doing the deal with the architect.

And then when we got when I got back to Indianapolis and I had some counsel from a a
mentor of mine, a good friend of mine of how to sell the house from Reding Castle, because

my goal is to sell it by owner and to not pay the three percent on a on a house had had
quite a bit of value in it.

And so we we set up, you know, I I I put forth a strategy of list building first making a
really nice sign for the front of our house.

A lot of traffic goes by this house on Central Avenue.

And any of the brokers that bring people that are interested, I was gonna have one showing
and one showing only.

I was gonna do a Saturday morning between eight to twelve.

I didn't wanna I didn't want a disruption of our life to have people, you know, hey, can
we come see your house?

Hey, can we come see your house?

So I did a six a six hour period on a Saturday, two weeks after I got back.

So made the sign, found someone, found a group that would put our listing on the MyBore
system.

And every broker that called, I said, you know, I would vet them and say, All right, I'm
gonna invite you on this this this Saturday.

I'm not gonna accept any offers to the following Monday.

And so I set up um the strategy and I put it into play.

And by Monday, um

We had we had the right offer in our hands.

And so um started that part of the transaction and then became the bigger part.

And that was how to liquidate a large home full of, you know, life's, you know, at least
to 40 year olds' life's worth of belongings, which three vehicles, 12 bicycles, um,

furniture.

and so everything we own kind of fell into three categories.

Keep it, sell it.

or give it away, um, or store it and eventually ship it in a container to Costa Rica.

And there's something pretty, you know, clarifying about deciding whether an object
deserves space in a shipping container um and headed to another country.

And and that was um it was to be honest, it was like 10,000 decisions.

It was extreme.

And to sell that much stuff to

I'm the salesman of Facebook Marketplace, people driving by, putting a BMW at their first
sale sign, a you know, a super at the first sale.

Like it was all these things that were happening.

And um I look back at I had no idea how we did it, to be honest.

It it really was a very, very crazy time of life trying to eliminate most of our most of
our collection of life's goods.

Keep it, sell it, put it away.

Give it away.

Or put it in a shipping container.

Put it in storage.

Figure how much storage you need to fill up an entire tall forty foot shipping container.

And and I think we made I think we made some really good decisions.

Like I can't look back and say this, I really wish we did this or that.

but we did.

We shipped a container down here.

Um we shipped a land cruiser down here that was fully modified, ready for these roads, and
everything arrived.

It was like a miracle.

Yeah.

I think you might have just answered the question for our eighty year olds that need to be
um yeah adventuresome is that that that's probably what our friends need to do is decide

whether to keep it, sell it, or give it away just to express love to their family.

'Cause the question is does does this object deserve space?

And uh your your your objects that you accumulate over eighty years of life, a lot of them
don't deserve space anymore.

And

And the space you give up for those things will be an expression of love to your loved
ones, I think.

So that's really cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, Tony, if wanted to find out a little bit more about you, I know you have a podcast.

And um Tony recently got to interview a former executive with Quicksilver Keith, and I
just loved that episode.

Um how how would people learn more about you, Tony?

Yeah.

So I think from a social channel perspective, because of the business I'm in, you're gonna
find what I'm up to pretty much on LinkedIn.

That's that's probably the best way.

And um obviously have a website, I have a blog that stays current.

I list the podcasts on it, but uh most of that exists on LinkedIn as well.

And um I'm pretty easy to find.

That's uh that's part of the nature of my my business and my brand.

And if you go to Tony's website, uh that is him surfing, by the way.

I'll have to check that out.

That's not some stock photo.

That's awesome.

I've gotten a little bit better since then.

Tony, it is a absolute blessing to be your friend.

And th thank you for joining us today.

You guys too.

And Doug, you've you've been uh you know, you you don't make a lot of friends as you grow
older in life, but you're

Your friendship and counsel has been uh invaluable to Marla and I.

And uh and Keith, you're a big part of this also because I know how close you and Doug are
and um I'm I'm grateful to call you both my friend and uh and also have your counsel when

needed.

Very cool.

Thanks for hanging out, Tony.

See ya, Tony.

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