Welcome back to the inspired
living with autoimmunity podcast.
I'm your host, Julie Michelson.
And today I'm joined by Cho Lynn Moy,
alternative and Chinese medicine expert
and founder of integrative healing
arts NYC, where she helps couples
conceive naturally using her fertility
protocols and Chinese medicine.
Our conversation today is an
introduction to Chinese medicine as a
regenerative approach to wellness and
a focus on healthspan not lifespan.
Listen in to find out why Cho says
you are your best doctor and why it's
so important to manage your thoughts,
whether you're trying to conceive
or simply support your best health.
Cho, welcome to the podcast!
Oh, thank you for having me, Julie.
I am excited for our conversation.
I cannot wait to share
you with my audience.
I know listeners are gonna
get so much value out of this.
awesome.
Awesome.
So I have so many things I wanna ask you,
but I love to start just to give listeners
a feel for you of, you know, how did you
become interested in Chinese medicine
or decide to, you know, practice Chinese
medicine and specialize in helping women,
you know, naturally improve fertility.
Great question so yeah, Chinese medicine
is not necessarily, you know, something
that, you know, it's not on the, the,
the list of let's say occupations, you
know, to choose when you're at school.
And I would have to say, I mean,
I, I was in business before.
so I've had several incarnations but
one of the things is, is the, the
big part of it is the paradigm of it.
The philosophy that is
in east Asian medicine.
and really the idea that you are helping
a person to heal themselves, right?
That we are, we have this natural
ability and it's, you know, what Chinese
medicine or east Asian medicine is about
transformation and not transaction.
Right.
So the idea is that you're not gonna be
on herbs for life or medication for life.
That you are able to regenerate yourself.
And so I gotta look at
like Western medicine.
So I grew up in a family in Western
medicine and it, you know, the science
part of it, the, that was interesting.
But the idea that, you know, people
are sick and once they're sick,
they really never get better.
And unless they're taking medication.
So there there's a, an, an idea which
is very different where, you know, the
Western model is kind of a degenerative
medicine versus regenerative.
And, you know, you cut yourself
and you're able to, you know, your,
your body actually will heal it.
Right.
It will close up the wound.
And so.
This is why would we say like in
certain cases, oh, it'll never change.
Cause we're always in this process of,
of change and evolving and really getting
well, not like not getting sicker.
And so philosophically with
Chinese medicine, we're looking
at their eight branches that
include not just acupuncture,
but body work herbal medicine.
Food food medicine, food theory
exercise mindfulness, like
a, a kind of a meditation.
We also have a fun Shui, which is looking
at your environment in, in the flow of
energy and then also astrology, right?
Like this is like, we are
part of the cosmos and it's
a spiritual medicine, right?
It's not a religion.
It's a spiritual.
And it's about the individual kind
of helping themselves to be better.
And so this is a really, it resonates,
you know, it resonates with me that
Yes, it does.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you may need help.
Yes.
And, and, and it's not to say that Western
medicine isn't helpful in life saving.
It's just that model.
That's their really kind of like
their only model of like, oh,
you needed us because you weren't
able to overcome your situation.
And therefore you're almost
like a disabled person.
That'll always need this, you know,
once you got to this point, then,
you know, like no hope, right.
So.
in east Asian medicine.
It's really like you, the, the
idea is you're always working in a
practice like this practice of getting
better practice of consciousness
and mind, body connection, right?
Cause when we're aware of our of our
body, our mind, our thoughts, our
energy, we can do something about it.
If we don't, we say like, oh, I don't even
know, like with, with women, I, I find
like, oh, where are you in your cycle?
They're like, oh, I don't know.
I have to check my phone.
It's kind of like, how is this
electronic object knows more about
you than you know about yourself.
It's actually, you know, happening in
your body that, you know, and, and so
you start to see the, the difference of
almost like outsourcing all of your parts.
To someone else or something else.
And that's really causes like this.
We call like a cognitive dissonance
or like feeling like you're
disassociated from your own self.
And you know, one of the things, I
mean, maybe this is kind of like a,
a different kind of conversation.
Is that the more the technology we start
to see the more of this kind of aloneness.
And not really feeling connected,
even though we have connection, right.
But not, not even the
connection with ourselves.
Right.
And so really that me is really
like, you are your own doctor.
You're your best doctor, right.
You're going to, I can't tell you
how you feel, you know, how you feel.
you share it with me, how you feel, and
I can try and help you to feel better.
Right.
And so it, the it's a collaboration also.
It's, it's not a power
differential, it's not a hierarchy.
Right.
And that's the, you know, when we look
at the, the Western we're looking at
the health model also is the idea that
there's this hierarchy, someone has more
power than you over your health destiny.
And so getting back to how did I end
up, you know, being attracted to it
is really like something that is for
the rest of your, of my life that I
can be studying this medicine because
there's thousands and thousands of
years of, of evidence, of cases of
really learning from the natural world.
Without, you know, like, you know, like.
Real evidence of people who
were very ill or had problems.
And these are different
kinds of solutions, right?
It's also a, not a one size fits all.
It's really different tenants
and guidelines to look at.
Right.
And so that's also, you need to always be
working as a practitioner to make yourself
better in order to help your patient.
Amazing growth opportunity for you.
Well, yeah.
Other, yeah, because I
always wanna get better.
I
of course, of
you know?
that's.
Grow, always growing and healing
and changing and learning and, you
know, expanding you, you hit on so
many things I, I wanna dive into.
But I, I wanna just highlight, I
mean, things, the things that I said,
you know, we've never talked about
Chinese medicine before on the podcast.
Yay.
But, and, and so somebody
who's completely unfamiliar.
Probably is sitting there thinking,
well, these are the things Julie's always
talking about on the podcast, right?
It it's, it's this
difference of, you know, yes.
Not only can we heal, we're
created to heal and the difference
in approaches and models.
And I always say, you know, God
forbid I need emergency surgery.
I am going to a Western
trained acute care.
Surgeon which you may have a different
take on, but I think that's what it's
really designed for and what it's good at.
And the rest is tends
to be a disservice to
Correct.
It's not, it's not, it's
actually, it's being, it's being
used inappropriately, right?
So it's like every time you go
to an emergency room and what are
you gonna get emergency medicine.
And those medicines are really
for are, are life saving, right?
They get you from being going
one direction to go the other
direction, but then that's
But then, then what
And then what so, so the idea
is you wanna never get to that.
You, you wanna avoid getting to that
place by, you know, being responsible for
your health, for the choices you make.
And that means you know, making sure to
educate yourself to cut through all of the
the information that's, you know that is.
Driven by industries that also
are able to kind of say things
that may not really be true.
So it's important for everybody
to take charge of their, you
know, of educating themselves.
And I love that, that you say that
I wanted to circle back to that.
And then, and another one other,
at least one other point that you
made as far as and it is the model.
Most of us grew up in.
Right.
The doctor has all the answers
we go for the fix and, and people
tend to get into this cycle of,
you know, they, they want the pill.
They, they believe like that's
the answer, go get a pill go.
The doctor will fix you.
Don't be disrespectful.
Don't question the doctor don't, you know,
and, and you and I spend our time saying
like, no, no, it's you, this is your body.
You know, that that's the thing is when,
you know, someone will, or like a test is
like a sentence and, oh, that means this.
Because we're always in this state of
movement and growth and shifting, right.
We gen we regenerate our, our,
you know, our whole body is
we get completely new cells.
Like every single cell in our body
gets you know, regenerated or replaced.
Over a certain period of time.
Usually they say a seven year cycle,
which interestingly is one of the cycles
in Chinese medicine that they talk
about growth cycles, you know, from
zero to, you know, your reproductive
cycle, you know, like, and they,
they tend to be the like in alignment
with, let's say hormonal shift.
And surges that bring, you know, puberty
on and bring on adulthood and then
being able to, you know, hold a baby
and then later on into menopause, right?
So we look at different stages
of growth and development.
And so it's very ni from that perspective,
we look at the, you know, the ancients
we're looking at, oh, by the age of
seven or so, you know, the baby teeth
fall out and you get the adult teeth.
And then the hair actually grows in,
you know, like kids usually have like
very thin and then they get to a certain
age and you see that they start to
grow and their, their voice changes
and then menarchy, you know, comes up.
And so you start to look at the energy.
Or they're cheat, they're life force.
What is it at different stages?
And that's the physiological
and neurological development.
Right.
And, and in terms of you know,
learning and experiencing the
world and getting that feedback.
So very much so the ancients looked
at that as well and were like,
oh, there are different stages.
That occur or, or, or
let's say surges, right?
Like growth spurs and,
and evolution evolving.
So we always have that ability.
It doesn't really stop.
It might slow down a little bit.
Like we don't have to keep
growing talk like that.
That kind of okay.
We're, we're good.
We're, you know, if we've reached
a certain height or, but the rest
of it is all a matter of really.
You know, making sure
everything's working really well.
And when it's not to do something
about it, you know, to repair it,
and that's right into that regenerative,
right.
We have the capacity to regenerate right.
Every day we do.
But once we get an interruption
or something happens, it's,
it's not the, the symptoms.
Or, or when we experience,
we call illness.
And I'm, I'm looking at a new, looking
at it from a new re like a reframe of
when you experience those symptoms,
which everyone calls getting sick.
If we look at it as more as like
getting, well, your body is in the
process of getting well, which means.
spiking a fever to push
out an infection, right?
So we always look at it
as, oh, that's a bad thing.
We're getting signal.
Actually, your body is helping itself
to get, well, it's doing this thing,
which may be, feel unpleasant, but you
have to look at, oh, it's serving a
purpose and we need to help it along.
Not suppress it, just like,
okay, something else is going on.
And.
The beauty with Chinese medicine,
we look at the whole pattern.
It's not just like, oh,
I have a stomach problem.
The problem, my stomach,
oh, I have digestive issues.
I ha like constipation diarrhea that if
that's the problem is the intestines,
like actually there's a systemic thing
going on because that's where you're
identifying symptoms and the inflammation.
But we've gotta look
at where did it begin?
Yeah, it's, it's part of a full on
something else as a trigger, you know?
So this is the, the, the, the starting
point where it's alerting us, but
it's more than just the symptom.
I, I love that.
And I there's if I, if we circled
back to everything I wanted to hit
on, we would be here for three hours.
But, but this idea that I, I wanna circle
all the way back cuz you, you just.
Brought it up again
about awareness, right?
About this disconnect that,
that we have from our bodies.
I see this, especially in the autoimmune
community, I think in general, because
of like you mentioned technology
and society, you know, and, and, and
but then especially once people are
experiencing symptoms, And it, it's
almost like it becomes a survival
skill to, to disconnect, right.
To, you know, I'm not gonna
focus on the pain and especially
if you're in that mindset of
there's nothing I can do about it.
Anyway.
A and so it's so important.
I, I say it all the time, you know,
you symptoms are information like that.
That's your body is telling you something.
So do you have them trick question here,
but like, what is a way that, that,
you know, you help people reconnect?
Like, do you have a recommendation for
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, one of the most, the, the best
things for people that are exp that
have autoimmune conditions, right?
We know that stress is
a huge factor, right?
And so that is the nervous system
that needs to regulate itself.
And so I will look at we
look at their adrenals.
And from there, we're looking
at their, you know, they're
experiencing anxiety, right?
Cause that is actually
in Chinese medicine.
We're looking at this connection between
the heart and the small intestine.
Right.
And anxiety.
When we're looking at the mind, not
the brain, we're looking at those like
thoughts of worry and overthinking things.
And so what happens is when
someone is experiencing.
You know, inflammation and they don't
know where it's coming from, then
it starts the, like, what did I do?
What is it, what did I eat?
What did I, and, and then lots and lots of
overthinking and more stress, which then
in turn, like creates that vicious cycle.
And so looking at eliminating things that,
well, first identifying stuff, That is
like a source of, and, and eliminating it.
And I mean, not just like food stuff, like
there, there are definitely guidelines.
You just need to like eliminate lots
of things that are inflammatory.
Just move them out, give your
body a break, simplify it.
So you're not overloading it.
Right.
And then the other thing too is, you
know, there are people that are triggers
certain situations to be addressed.
Like, and you know, oftentimes there
are big events like moving or a new
job, or, you know, someone becomes
really ill or having a child or, you
know, children going away to school
getting married, getting divorced,
like they're all of those things.
And then, you know, this other
one, they say said there are
10 big things like moving.
And so, but also.
I think they need to put on the
list is infertility because the,
the many of the, the patients that
I see, one of the biggest things
that's going on is they're so stressed
out because it's not happening.
And so very similar, the, there is this
aspect of not knowing what's going on.
Why is it not working?
It really should work.
I'm doing everything right.
There's this aspect of perfectionism.
Like, I, I there's like a chapter in my
book where I talk about perfectionism and
I am definitely certain that, you know,
when someone has a autoimmune condition
where they'll have like flare ups, Random
flare ups or, or they're so far away from,
let's say what the trigger was for it.
That it becomes like a, kinda
like a source of paranoia or, or
posttraumatic stress because it's like,
you never know when it's gonna come.
And then there's this idea of like,
oh my God, if I get on the train, like
in New York, I have patients like,
oh, I'm afraid if I take the train.
And it stops in the tunnel or there's
a delay and I'll be stuck there.
And if I have it, like, if something
happens and as they think about that,
then they start to experience it.
So really understanding how important
it is to manage what we think.
Right.
Because there is the mind body
connection, whether you believe it or not.
Right.
Whether, whether you
want to admit it or not.
And the thing is is that then you
really need to manage your thoughts
and that's, that's a big part.
And, and one of them, it also is
like, oh, I'm never gonna get better.
And what I have to say.
And this is something that the more,
I I've learned more about this doing
you know, studying in this, you
know, doctorate that I'm working on
was, you know, with alternative and
complimentary medicine that a lot
of Western trained doctors, first
of all, they're not trained in that.
There could be something else, like
why don't you have your patient?
They may say, oh, lose
weight, or, you know, do this.
They don't really have the
tools to help somebody.
They may not know, you
know, how to personalize.
They don't have the time
because of the model.
But off also, they don't
believe that people can change
and it is hard to do that.
So they may not even say
like, Hey, listen, I want you.
To see a person, this is
what you're gonna need to do.
And then you come back to me or we're
gonna put you on medication for now.
However, you are gonna need
to do these other things.
Often is this write the prescription,
or they'll say, you're gonna take this
medication, the rest of your life.
And, and I would hear this more and more
with patients that are a little bit older,
you know, in their fifties, early sixties.
You, a lot of women that
pass through that are going
transitioning in through menopause.
They'll have you know, palpitations or
the, the, not just the hot flashes, but
other, other things going on, right.
Their chemistry changes.
And cholesterol, a little
high here or there.
And then they get into that funnel of,
oh, you're you're this age, you're female.
You've got this, you've got that.
And then all of a sudden they're
on three or four medications.
Huh?
And they will say, you're gonna need
to take this the rest of your life.
This is not the first
time I've heard this.
I think I
please.
I was told that in my thirties.
Yeah.
And, but the thing is, is that's not true.
That is from the perspective of you know,
pharmaceutical companies perspective
of when they do the clinical trials,
where they're only following people
for, you know, maybe up to a year after.
Right.
And for specific things,
Well, and if you're not address,
look, if you just start a medication.
And then stop it.
You're gonna be where you were in
the beginning versus we're talking
about doing other things in the
need to do something else.
Yeah,
the causes.
I mean, things like obesity.
Oh my gosh.
And like the, the heart
disease, hypertension,
diabetes, like these are like,
they're also reversible.
They are reversible.
And the thing is, is that, but if
you don't believe that you can do
anything about it and you go somewhere
and they say, well, the only thing
you can do is take this medication.
And there's no guidance of like, if
you, if you want a better, because
even taking medication, people
have a very poor quality of life.
right.
And so that we're talking
about is not just.
Living longer, we're looking at longevity.
And that's a, that's a practice
in, in Chinese medicine.
We're looking at health and
wellness, longevity, meaning you're
living long and healthy lives.
Or we, we call it like a
health span, not a lifespan.
Right.
But like it like your health,
what are you doing every day?
You make a choice of what you're going to.
These are the things no, one's forcing
you to eat certain ways and yet people
believe they don't have a choice.
Right.
That, that, that the only thing they can
do because there's missing information.
And unfortunately, a lot of
physicians, I mean, it's true.
It's very hard for people to make
changes, especially with diet, right.
It's I think there is
why there are coach.
I joke all the time.
If it were easy, there
wouldn't be coaches.
Like there's a reason I have a job.
There's a reason.
Right.
And the thing is, is that, you know,
changing someone's diet is like
asking them to change the religion.
It's very much ingrained in their
system of reward, emotionally
emotional attachment to it.
There's so much to
So much to it, which goes back
to that, managing your thoughts.
You know, we were TA you were
talking about it as far as,
you know, stress cycles, right.
Getting into that, that
It's more than that.
It's it's really like EV yeah.
I woke up this morning and I said, I,
I woke up and I said, oh, I'm tired.
And then I CA I like caught.
I was like, oh, I'm not starting the day.
That way.
I, I looked over and I said, no, I
just haven't had a surge of energy yet.
cause I caught, I was like,
that is not, I am not setting
myself up to have a day where I
tired, tired.
Right.
And he could, I mean, he'd say
like, oh, I, I, I feel tired.
I have to be mindful like tick to make
sure to, you know, manage my energy today
and I need to adjust, you know, some
of my, the things so I can help myself.
Right.
am also doing those things, but for
me, you know, I, I say I change your
thoughts, change your life, right?
Like that's.
And so also our body hears every
thought we have, whether it's
Body actually tells us our thoughts too,
I, yeah.
But so, you know, I could convince myself
like I'm going to be tired all day.
Well, no, I don't wanna do that.
Let's not, let's change
that story right now.
And then, like you said, take the
actions to, to manage, you know?
Sure.
and, and so I.
It's so powerful, but I
wanna circle all the way
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that's definitely,
on each thing.
yeah, but it's good that you actually
noticed that you were like, wait a
second, because oftentimes people hear
the it's the voice and then you go,
okay, what do you wanna do with it?
yeah.
telling you, it's giving you information
and you be like, oh, thank you for
letting me know that, that, but then, then
you're like, okay, now I can do something
versus like, okay, I'm zombie today.
Right?
Yeah.
And, and, you know, for me,
my, one of my answers is, and
I, you just saw where I live.
I'm go, I will spend extra time barefoot
outside today between appointments because
that's one of my favorite recharges.
And, and.
But it it's just so, so powerful.
And I know sometimes I get the eye roll.
When we talk about mindset and
the power of your thoughts.
I, I say this, I, I did start my healing
journey before I fully believed I could.
But if, if you work on.
The, the mindset first it's like
exponentially, the body can just then do
what it's supposed to do so much easier.
I wanna, I wanna touch on this cuz there
is such an overlap and I know you see it
in your practice and I see it in mind.
This.
Really kind of common issue with fertility
challenges for women with autoimmunity?
I, you know, I think the, the numbers
are, I don't know the numbers,
but, but I know they're high.
A and I wanna dig in a little
more into when I was younger.
I thought I was, I mean, I guess when
we have something we want and we don't
get it right away, we think we get
into that thinking there's a problem.
And so it had, it took me some time to, to
get pregnant when I was young in hindsight
it totally makes sense now that I know
I wasn't healthy, even though, you know,
But when you say time, when you
say time, I want like, what's
no, it wasn't.
It took me.
I was, I was in my 20, early 20 in
my twenties and it took me two years.
Okay.
Which at the time, so again,
it's all relative, right?
For me at that time, it seemed like, you
know, I started getting into that mindset
of, you know, oh my gosh, what's wrong?
Why can't I get pregnant?
What, you know, everywhere you
look, there's a pregnant person.
, you know, that it that's.
And that's not what
we're talking about here.
We're talking about women.
You know, perhaps older women with
autoimmunity, although I already
had, I just didn't know it yet.
Women, I know you specialize in,
you know, women over 40, right?
Like
Or, or late.
Well, now it's really like,
because women younger and younger
are, are really coming through.
Well, I don't really, so here's the thing.
I don't know if they're having problems.
Like in, like when they come,
they're like, oh, I've been trying.
How long have you been trying?
Oh, six months.
Right.
And if you are, are, you know,
attempting to get prep, but you
have all this other stuff, I kind
of feel like it doesn't count.
It doesn't count because you're
not you're, you know, oftentimes,
I mean, not that it doesn't count,
count, but there's like all this
inflammation in their system.
And, you know, realistically, if the, if
the, the field is clear and then you're
you know, trying to get PR like you're,
you're actually knowing when the fertile
have to be in touch with your body,
Right.
Your partner, have your, has
your partner been checked?
Cause so a lot of like, we've been trying
to, well, has your partner been checked?
No.
No, he hasn't been checked.
Okay.
So I, I don't really consider that.
Like,
That doesn't count.
I get it.
yeah.
Yeah, there's a lot of the the
understanding that you need at least six
months to a year of, let's say prep time,
like getting your body really healthy.
Any kind of inflammation,
really having that so that you
can take on getting pregnant.
Right.
So if you're under a stressful situation
or let's say you have allergies or
other kinds of digestive problems,
That those are gonna influence your
whole health, including your sleep.
Right.
And sleep is a big aspect
of reproductive hormones.
And you can't just say, well, I catch up
on my sleep on the weekend or, oh yeah.
That was a stressful time.
But now I'm fine.
It's like, actually you,
you know, it takes a while.
to get rid of the stress hormones.
And then if you're constantly
redoing it again or eating, you know,
foods that are off, you know, , you
know, like your regular time.
So your blood sugar is going up and down.
Even if it's, it's not even a matter
of like, do or do you have diabetes
or something, it's really this kind of
irregularity and, and frenetic pacing.
And so the body is getting signals
that there's not stability.
And really, so there are a
lot of different, there are
a lot of different factors.
But one of the things that I was looking
at when you said, for instance, that
you were trying, let's say for two, two
years, and at any given time a statistic,
I don't it's they look at even with the
right timing and everything, they say
it's about a 25% chance of conceiving.
So we took the 24 months, like two
years of 24 months and we looked
and we like took a quarter of that.
Right?
What do we have six times?
Right.
Which was like six
times, like really where.
that would, might have been it.
Like, and then you're like, okay, so
one we're looking at the other ones,
there were like all these other things
going on and you start to look at
like at, or even within a year, it's
like 12 times if you've got the right
window and all, and all conditions are
in order, like everything is in order.
Everything is in order.
No cold, no inflammations, no.
All of that.
Then we're looking at.
That window per month.
And then you go like,
oh, to conceive a human.
If you think about it, it's not that much.
Right.
It's just that it's spread out.
Yeah.
Right.
And so, yeah, so really like looking
at like the long it does, it does
take the amount of time that it takes.
Now, if you have a health condition it's
not being addressed, then what does that
actually creates a bigger disruption?
Gotcha.
What, what do you, because I, I,
and I don't know the answer to
this yet, but I'm hedging my bets
here that it's going to weather.
somebody listening to this,
you know, is trying to conceive
thinking about conceiving or not.
Cuz I'm guessing anything you are gonna
answer with is gonna serve anybody's
general health as well, which you talked
about that year of, I look at it as
like prepping the garden bed, right?
Like you just don't.
Throw stuff in the ground.
I mean you could, but what is
something that you have everybody do?
You know, if they're like, okay, you
know, either they've already been trying
or they know they're maybe they're,
I love the head of the game thinkers.
Maybe they know that that they're
going to want to, and they find
you and they, they wanna get ready.
You know, what's, what's a biggie.
What's
Yeah, the best thing, if they can
like, decide that they just need
to get healthy, no matter what.
Right,
Because this is what they wanna do.
Right?
So it's someone like
training for a marathon.
You really wanna, like, you gotta
like take the steps to build yourself
up to, but there are things like I'm
really like all the sugar free stuff.
So does a lot of processed
food, even if it's supposedly
healthy, it's still processed.
right.
I'm definitely much more plant
based just because there, you
know, the meat sources and there's
so many different things, right.
That are going on.
Also really, they gotta take a
probiotic because no matter what as
healthy as you believe your system
is that there's so many environmental
factors, like all the microplastics.
That are around and those
are endocrine disruptors.
So also like stop covering
your food in plastic wrap.
Start using glass.
Just things that you can do, right?
You gotta also like what kind of
shampoos and stuff like that, that you're
putting on your body soaps and things
that are also endocrine disruptors.
We wanna like wherever you can,
you gotta like eliminate it.
Right?
So the best thing you can.
And so those are, are a lot of.
That those are, are great
for people to just do.
It's also environmentally better as well.
right.
But, and I love that you added
the best that you can, because
that addresses that whole, like
then stress ball perfectionism.
We can't avoid toxins, but if we.
Control what we can take our power, you
know, use glass, eat real, clean, organic,
you know, good food and take those steps
with our products and our, I, I always
say, you know, my, my home is my Haven.
We just got back from vacation.
I.
I brought my, I brought dish soap.
I brought like I'm I I'm, I take it
to another level because it's easy
for, that's not stressful for me.
It's it's E it's more stressful for me to
pick up the bottle of blue dish soap and
wash something in it and then eat off it
But like where you can,
that makes sense, right?
you can, where you can make those changes.
Cuz it's not that like, it's not that.
And you'll, and, and what it is is that
you're being proactive and I think.
That every action that you
take, it moves you forward.
So a lot of the focus that women
have is, oh, it didn't happen.
It's not happening.
I'm not, you know, cuz they're looking
at this one thing as they're focused
and I'm like everything you're doing,
you're moving closer and closer to it.
And so You know this idea of like
immediate gratification or when I want
it I'm ready and now it should happen.
I mean, that is I think that's
where the big disappointment
comes in their expectation.
And then the, and then of course,
there's that relationship with
their body, which they haven't had.
Right.
And then now it's like,
well, what do you mean?
You're not, it's like, listen, you haven't
been listening to your body for so long.
And now you're at, you
You wanted to grow a baby?
Yeah, but you don't even understand.
You're not understanding
like how it works.
And then the, this I know
before you started recording,
we were talking a bit about.
you know, women's health and you
know, women's health and women's
bodies are constantly being managed.
And so the idea, if you don't learn
about your cycle, when you go and say
I'm having difficulty getting pregnant.
And they will, there are gonna be
plenty of things that are gonna be
found that might be wrong with you.
And it feeds into and ties into this idea
of you know, there's something wrong.
There must be something wrong with me.
I need, you know flawed in some way.
And that is really a
very much a a narrative.
Of being less than and not capable.
And then also our value is tied
to being able to reproduce.
Can we produce an air?
Right.
And if not, you know, aging is also a big
part of it, you know, everyone's trying
to still look like they're 21, culturally,
as we get older, you know, old people,
older are not respected and definitely
women it's a lot harder for them.
So, you know, signs of fertility are, are
a part are having a child is a sign of
fertility and youth and, and all of that.
And so when.
Someone is, has a perceives
that they're struggling.
It does shake up a deeper
core thing going on.
And then if a, if they go to a specialist
that tells them, oh, you're gonna
have a lot of trouble, or you got your
eggs are really like old or something
that sets off that sets into motion.
Like the panic, like unbelievable
And I'm giggling because my perspective
is so different now and I it's
so AB it sounds so absurd to me.
And I, I shouldn't be giggling, I it's
not to be disrespectful because it
does, it triggers, you know, well then
increase somebody's stress like that,
and then good luck conceiving, right?
Because they're living in this
world of, oh my gosh, you know,
I'm broken, my eggs are old.
the fear, the fear Moning.
That I see.
And now it's really because
there is an industry, right?
Fertility is an industry.
Although in the recent issues that
have been going on in the Supreme
court, there's a lot of questions
about the status of, you know,
the medical community with IVF.
Like all of that now is coming into
question about the practices and you
know, what constitutes life, right?
And so this is a, you know, you know,
your mat, your genetic material, or how
many cells constitute, you know, like.
A human.
And so this is gonna be, I mean, I, I know
that the, the, the fertility community, at
least the, the, you know, there, you know,
this is a lot of this is shaking it up.
Really?
Shaking it up.
Yeah.
Gotcha.
I, I don't want to keep
you too far over time.
I know you've already given listeners some
things that they can do, but I always wrap
with the question and it doesn't have to
be something you've already mentioned, but
if listeners wanted to take one step today
to improve their health improves their.
Fertility garden, it reduce
their inflammation, all, all the
things improve their health span.
I love that.
I'm, I'm stealing that word by the way.
Just me.
I forgot where I got.
I forgot where I got and I was like, Hmm.
Life spent health span.
I love that as I, I said and I
wrote it down, even though I said
it, cuz I was like, I like that.
I wanna live young until I'm done,
which is exactly health span is a
much more succinct way to say that.
But 1, 1, 1 thing that, that people can
start today to start to move the needle.
Well, there are a couple
of practices that I do.
So it's like a twofer.
I'll give you a twofer.
One is a, is it's a, is a,
these are activities to make a
stronger mind, body connection.
And, and especially for people who
have difficulty meditating, you
need to do something that will,
and I like to do breath work, you
know, like breathing in and out.
I do like the, a, a really
quick whim ho that I I love it.
Because it's guided, you know, so someone
who's like, oh, am I gonna breathe?
You just have this, like telling
you to breathe in and breathe out
and breathe in and breathe out.
And what that does is that helps
to reset your nervous system.
And then you're aware of your heartbeat.
You're aware you can feel your
circulation because you are focusing
on the breathing in and out that you
really can't think about other stuff
that's intruding because you just,
you gotta, you gotta focus on it.
And and someone is, it's just
like kind of guiding you.
So that's a, a really easy thing to do.
And why do I like it?
Because it also increases oxygenation.
And oxygen saturation, and
that changes your move.
So you feel better, more positive outlook.
So you're inhaling, exhaling,
you're doing the oxygen exchange.
It's also way of we consider detoxing.
And then the other is a, a routine.
I got, I got it from this.
I, I saw it from this doctor, this
physiotherapist, which is a lymph.
Kind of a thing for like helping
to do like a lymph yourself, lymph
massage, and it's called like a big
six, but I actually added in to make
it like a big eight or like an eight.
And I do that every morning and
I teach it to all my patients to
really start to move that fluid in
your system because the lymph system
is the, like the waste system.
So you get that to help
drain out inflammation.
So breathing and doing something like
that really starts to clear out a lot
of inflammation and get you in a good
space and you feel better, right?
You just, you will feel bad, better.
Right.
And that's, that's where I would just like
to start, like to do it as a practice.
So they, they.
15 minutes, maybe 10, 15 minutes.
You do it anything more
than people don't do it.
Right.
Yeah.
But you can do it like the limb stuff.
I do it in the morning while I'm waiting
for the coffee, like drinking water,
and I'm waiting for the coffee, you
know, to, to, to brew and like, and,
and so I'm not doing anything else.
I might as well, you know, do this
and you really, you feel, you feel
this stuff kind of moving and that.
I love that it is so important and,
you know, circles back to, we were
just talking about managing toxins.
We've gotta clear them.
It's not just about reducing what
we're exposed to, but we've gotta,
you know, support our body in clearing
that inflammation in those toxins.
So I, I love say I, I somehow knew you.
Weren't gonna pick from the
list you already gave us.
Oh, did I give, I forgot all that.
Well, you know, okay.
So then, so in Chi, so
these are the movements.
So in Chinese medicine, they've got
like a, like a chigong is like a
meditative movement, similar to yoga.
If you do yoga, you're gonna get a similar
breathing and moving, and also Tai Chi.
Those are designed to be a
mindful movement with breathing
and that helps your Chi move.
So that's a, I just contributed
to an article for Fitbit.
I can share that and I'll, I'll post it on
my, my site as one of the, the articles.
The idea really is you are just
helping to your system to move.
Right.
And only you can really do that.
Right.
Making a massage.
I
do that for you.
Yeah, but once you feel it, see the thing
is, is once you, you actually feel this
stuff moving and you're like, oh yeah.
Now I can, like, I get it.
Yeah.
And it becomes your ins, you
know, you don't wanna stop.
You want to feel like you I'm sure
wanna do that every morning when
your coffee's brewing cuz you know,
it's gonna, you're gonna feel well
And you'll feel the, the, the
it's actually pretty instant.
What I'll tell you, you do it, you
do notice like right away, you'll,
you'll notice like things are moving
and then that's like the inspiration
to be like, oh, this does work, right.
It does work.
I love that for, for listeners that are
listening on the go and may not take
the time to check back in, in the show
notes where they'll find their links,
where's the best place to find you.
Probably the best place to find
me is gonna be on Instagram
Okay.
It's @IntegrativeHealingArts NYC.
NYC
Love it.
Love it.
Cho.
Thank you so much.
You have shared such
amazing gold with us today.
I, I hope listeners listen to this three
times and I cannot encourage E everybody.
To, to follow you, find you reach out
to you because you are doing amazing
work and you're helping people achieve
their health goals, their fertility
goals and their, their health span goals.
So thank you so much for being here.
thank you for having me.
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