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[Music]
All I get by with a
little help of my friends,
the legendary Landon Mcarnadew couldn't
have put it any better.
Anything gets done
better with a little help,
a little partnership
and a little teamwork.
And that's why we are here
live at the Ice Show floor
on the OptiMov booth.
I'm Fernando Notte and
welcome to iGaming Daily.
And today, a very special guest with us,
Adi Dagan, Senior Director of
Partnerships at OptiMov.
Adi, how are you today?
Fantastic, how are you, man?
I'm great, I'm great.
It's lovely to see people face to face.
Yeah.
And this episode is
brought to you by OptiMov,
the creator of Positional Marketing
and number one player engagement solution
for iGaming and sports betting operators.
And speaking of meeting face to face
and building partnerships,
you actually are making the most of your
presence here at Ice
and meeting your
partners here at the booth
and running a very interesting initiative
you were mentioning just
before the recording started.
So why don't you tell
our audience about it?
Yeah, so actually, I
want to take a step back
and I really like the way
that you open the podcast.
All right.
Yeah.
Nice voice, you should be
seeing it more, I have to say.
Okay.
But I think that this is the...
It's kind of the theme
of what we're doing, okay?
Right.
I'm leading the gaming
partnership team at OptiMov,
which basically means
that I have a team globally
that is deployed in order to create
business relationships.
But actually, what I'm trying to build,
what we are OptiMov trying
to build and aspire to build
are true friendships
and not relationships.
And not in a cheesy way of saying that,
but in a very practical way.
I've been in the
business for 20 years now,
which means I'm pretty old.
But I've been in B2B business and gaming
and at the end of the day,
people want to work with
people that they relate to,
that they like, they sympathize with,
aside from the
professional product offering.
And this is exactly the kind of approach
that we're trying to build in OptiMov.
So we strive to build
professional relationships
that bring obviously business value
and product value to our partners,
but also have
interesting personal relationships
that yield endless
interesting opportunities.
Because at the end of the day,
when people talk to people
that they enjoy talking to,
the magic happens, right?
And we're seeing that with the partners
that we're working with.
Yeah, absolutely.
I think it's very
interesting what you're saying.
And going back to the initiative
that you did with your partners.
So you were recording
them and talking about them.
And so you can get feedback
from what you have been doing
in the last three years.
We spent the first couple of days,
we've done a few testimonial
sessions with our partners.
And the idea here was
to get the real feedback
and authentic feedback
about what's happening.
We want to hear what's going well
and what's going not well,
because we always strive to improve
and to be better at what we do.
But it was very
insightful to hear the feedback
from our partners
regarding the daily interaction
with our team.
We've had partners from
different kind of partners,
whether it's gaming platforms
that we're working with,
whether it's service providers
that we're collaborating with,
consultants that are helping us expand.
And it was really
interesting to hear the feedback.
And as I said, first of
all, it's important for me
always to hear things
that we can do better
because we're not perfect,
although we're as close as
possible to be as a company.
But also to hear the feedback
that our vision and strategy
of how we see partnerships
is actually reflected
to the daily ongoing
with our partners.
So it was great to
hear that they feel that
they have a true
partner on the other side,
that we're attentive,
that we're listening to the
stuff that they're saying,
that we're able to
adapt as much as possible
or at least try to adapt.
Not everything is possible
and there are
constraints and limitations,
but we always want to show our partners
that we are listening to them
and we're trying to give them the best
support that we can.
And of course, you
have many partners now,
but it has not always been the case.
So OptiMove came from an emerging brand
to a leader in the CRM
and marketing industry.
So how do you look back into this road
you have gone through?
So yeah, OptiMove has
been around for 14 years now.
Pini, the founder and CEO,
has built an amazing
product, an amazing company,
but he was very focused for many years
about direct sales and business growth.
Well, in the last couple of years,
OptiMove has kind of
shifted the way it thinks
and in order to double down
and invest more in those partnerships.
And the reason is very simple.
I mean, the partnerships that we're doing
always bring mutual
value to our partners.
Okay, we want to be
partnering with people
that understand the value
of partnering with OptiMove,
which I can tell you
better about in a few minutes,
understand the
product that we're building
and understand how partnering with us
amplifies their brand or their offering.
And actually the results
over the past couple of years
have been tremendous.
I mean, we've managed
to significantly grow
our partner outreach.
We now have partners
everywhere in the world.
And it shows that when
you meet the right partners,
people that have a strong
foothold in specific markets,
people who know better the markets
that you're trying to penetrate
and they understand
the value of OptiMove,
they understand the value
of what we can bring them.
Again, that's where the magic happens.
So yeah, I think a major shift
in the way that we think as a company
has been to invest
more in the partnerships,
not only on the relationships,
but on the technology around it
and everything else that we're doing
as a part of the partnership team.
So and of course, Adi, you are a drummer.
So when forming a band, you
want to get the right members.
Yes.
So you want to get the
right partners as well
when running this band that OptiMove is.
And so why don't you explain us
what the philosophy
behind the partner program is
and what do companies need to understand
when approaching you and
looking to partner with you?
So the philosophy is very simple.
We want to partner with
people who want to partner with us.
Okay, this is a huge industry.
The competition is fierce
for us, for everyone else.
Every company here is
fighting for business
and we're mature enough to know
that we want to partner only with people
that understand the value of OptiMove
and understand how our product offering,
very unique product
offering can help them.
So but when I'm
looking at the partnerships,
I like to divide it to
three avenues or pillars.
The first one is the
business relationship, okay?
Where the relationship goes
and personal slash business slash
friendly relationship.
Obviously, we need to understand
that there's mutual
potential business value
because if that doesn't happen, there's
nothing behind that.
The second thing is we do a deep
technical implementation
of the solutions.
So we need to have a partner
that is willing to
collaborate with us on that.
That means that they need
to have the right mindset
that they need to, again,
be willing to do some kind
of investment in order to
benefit from the product,
from the partnerships as we do.
And the third part is
I'd call it the marketing
or educational part of the partnerships
where we try to do a lot of educational
and marketing
activities with our partners,
where we amplify the mutual offering,
whether it's a gaming
platform, whether it's an agency,
we combine the unique knowledge
that we're bringing as
being the market leader
in CRM automation in the business
and combine it with the partners.
And that always shows tremendous results.
For example, we've just, earlier this,
at the end of last year,
we've done a very
interesting event in Cape Town
where we hosted a bunch
of partners and clients,
but we co-hosted it
with a few local partners.
And the result was outstanding.
I mean, in means of content,
we gave a lot of air space for,
sorry, we gave a lot of
air time for our partners
to express their domain knowledge
and the geographical
expertise in the area.
And we backed it up with the knowledge
and expertise that we have as OptiMove.
And the results were fantastic.
I mean, it was a beautiful
two days in lovely Cape Town.
We had a chance to go to a winery
and drink some wine and have oysters,
but it was a lot about
building the relationships
and the partnerships.
And that's what it's all about.
I mean, you mentioned winery and oysters,
and I definitely feel like I want to be
an OptiMove partner right now.
Yes, you are.
Yeah, so that sounded great.
But right now, we're going
to do a very quick outbreak,
and we will be right back with more of
Adi Dagan from OptiMove.
And we're back with more iGaming daily
live at OptiMove booth
at Ice Barcelona 2026 with Adi Dagan.
Of course, we were talking about how
you've been growing so far
and OptiMove has, of course, turned into
a very powerful platform.
But how do partnerships help with the
growth of the platform?
So like I mentioned earlier,
when we're looking to partner,
we're looking for the right
partner at the right time.
One of the major business
avenues that we're exploring
and expanding is collaboration
with gaming platform providers.
And when we're doing these partnerships
and doing them properly with mutual
intent from both sides,
we see at the end of the day,
direct value that is
brought to the client.
For example, if we do
a proper implementation
with a gaming platform, we
enhance it, we optimize it.
That enables the client, the end client,
which is the operator, to
better operate with OptiMove,
which directly means
significantly more revenue
for the gaming platform, for
the operator and for OptiMove.
So we see that every time we double down
and we invest on those partnerships
and we get mutual
investment from the partner
that we're working with,
the result is immediate
and direct to the clients.
That gives them more
features to use in OptiMove,
gives them more
flexibility, more stability.
And more often, it
gives them more insights
of how a specific platform
performs with our technology.
So we're able to further
educate them to share case studies,
to deep dive, sorry, to dig deeper
into the specific markets
that they're working on,
specific challenges that they have
and give more expertise to the client
when they're operating the daily daily,
day-to-day CRM activities.
And how are you leveraging your knowledge
with those partnerships to help
the mutual growth of both sides?
Listen, we're a market
dominator as far as CRM goes.
We have over 1,000
clients in the gaming space.
The amount of knowledge that
OptiMove has is unparalleled.
So we are able to support our partners
through insights and data insights
and case studies that no other provider
in the industry can do that.
So when we're looking at specific clients
that we wanna help with a partner,
we're able to benchmark,
we're able to give insights,
we're able to give them an opportunity
to understand how to measure themselves
and which are the
pitfalls they need to optimize
in order to perform better.
We are all about retention, right?
And I think if there's one thing
that the industry has realized in the
last couple of years,
that retention is the
key of everything, okay?
This is why the industry is
investing a lot in gamification
in order to increase engagement,
which is basically another tool to
improve retention, right?
And OptiMove is the number one leader
as far as retention goes.
So we are able to walk
hand in hand with our partners
in order to support their clients
through our mutual technology
in order to optimize their performance.
That's what it's all about.
And again, when we're doing
it with the right partners,
the results are outstanding.
What would you say that is the number one
or one of the most common things
that your partners bring to you,
the issues your partners brings to you
and how you help them solve it?
I think the problems
that they bring to us,
often it has to do
with regulations, okay?
So obviously in a lot of
newly regulated markets,
there are implications on
CRM and marketing, okay?
There are email limitations, channel
limitations, et cetera.
And we're able to support
them through our technology
and what we call
responsible CRM, if you want,
where we actually support the regulation
in the local market
through our technology,
implementing the
limitation of the regulation
through our technology.
And that actually makes the life
of the operator very easy.
So this is something that
we're seeing as a trend,
I guess, in the last couple of years.
And I think that this is
where you can actually see
how CRM is impactful,
not only on the actual
marketing side of things,
but actually on the daily operations
where the clients are operating under
increasingly changing
and more challenging
regulator environments.
And of course, one of the pillars of your
speech is the
positionless marketing concept.
So I would like you to like give us a
brief explanation of what
it is and how does it help
operators and how does Optimo help
iGaming companies become positionless
with all your tools.
So, you know, Pini, our CEO, is a huge
basketball fan and he took that
positionless concept from the
NBA where, you know, back in the days, if
you were a small guy in a
football and basketball team,
you would be the guard
and you would be a big guy.
You'd be the center
where now sport has changed.
By the way, same thing
goes for football, right?
Barcelona's Tiki Taka and the
positionless approach
has been all over sports.
So Pini is a big
football and basketball fan.
So this is how we
brought it into the company.
And that basically means that in this day
and age, especially with, you know, AI
all over what we're doing,
is the ability to allow anyone in the
organization to do anything.
And our technology is exactly the
solution that does that.
You can, you know, do all of the
marketing activities
that you need in one place.
You don't need, you know,
too many expertise to do it.
That's all right there.
You can create your content.
You can decide on the segmentation.
You can automate your campaigns.
You can do anything being positionless.
He took a lot of inspiration, again, from
NBA and The Last Dance in
Netflix, if you've seen it,
was a fantastic series.
But talking about the ability, especially
in 26, 27, where again,
we're surrounded by tools
that give us the
possibility to do basically anything,
implementing that
approach to our technology.
And of course, you've been
here with your partners at ICE.
You met them.
You heard their feedback.
You, of course, have your own plans and
your own roadmap ahead.
So what are your expectations in terms of
partnerships and in general, of course,
for this year and the new future as well?
So my main theme for this year, as I've
been telling the team in
the past few days, you know,
as we're looking towards this year, is
create friendships, not partnerships.
Not again, not in a cheesy
way, but in a very practical way.
We want to get more
intimate with our partners.
We want to know them better.
We want to know the challenges that
they're facing, the ones
that we are able to help them.
We want to, you know, understand the
environment that they're working with.
Often they can bring us insights about
the clients that we
have, that we don't have.
And we want to be able to
share this back to them.
And I think if I'm going back to the
beginning of the
conversation, I'm a very people's person.
I've been in B2B for 20 years.
It's all about people.
And I'm very proud of
the team that we have.
We have a fantastic team that is able to
help us create those
partnerships globally.
And the one thing I would say is the kind
of the headline for this year is get
closer and more
intimate with the partners.
Again, just to clarify, we're looking at
this as a significant
growth engine for Optimal.
We know that when we're doing the right
partnerships, it's a win-win-win
situation for the operator, for the
partner and for ourselves.
So we're strong believers in creating and
formulating those relationships.
And that's definitely the number one
vision and strategy for me for this year.
Well, Adi, it's been great
having you on iGaming Daily.
I guess the bottom line of this would be
you've got a friend in Optimal.
Yeah, definitely, man.
And I'm surprised you didn't mention as
one of your goals for
2026 to get a drum set.
Yeah.
But you know, if anyone has a drum set
lying around or wants to give that a drum
set, I'm sure you'll take it.
Fantastic. I live in Madrid, please.
By all means.
All right. You can reach out to us and
ask for Adi's address
to send that drum set.
Let's meet here next year and make sure
that I have one, right?
Yeah, if you don't have a drum set next
year, I'll be pay a set.
No, that's going to be a problem, man.
All right. All right, Adi.
Thank you very much. Thank you, man.
Adi Dagan, thank you very much.
Thank you very much, Anaya McDonald, for
producing this episode.
I'm Fernando Notte.
And to our listeners out there, we'll see
you in the next one. Goodbye.