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Arun: All right, cool.
Episode 17.
17.
Hype
Ps Adam: pod.
Arun, you're back.
I'm back.
Back
Arun: from Japan.
But Vance is gone.
Vance is gone, yeah.
We're just rotating.
It's like musical chairs.
Ps Adam: Guys, I'm consistent.
Yeah, you are.
That's why you're in the middle.
Um, yeah, you're back.
How was Japan?
Arun: Japan was great.
I was listening to the
beginning of the podcast.
It sounds like now you're a
believer and wanting to go.
Look, I'm hoping to just
add to that because I love
Ps Adam: Japan.
Okay, tell me more.
What was the best
Arun: thing?
I think I'll say this, just traveling
in general, I think the thing I,
that, the reason I want to go is just
to experience different cultures and
see how they're doing things, just
life in different parts of the world.
And Japan does a lot of
things really, really well.
Better?
Ps Adam: Better.
The best.
Wow.
What do they do that's better?
I think the biggest thing, you
Arun: know.
Because America's
Ps Adam: the best.
America's the best.
Arun: So how Do we have a flag to fly?
America's the best for sure.
Um, but Japan, I think the biggest
thing that I really noticed was just
the people, how, how safe it felt.
And you can really see that because
there's kids, maybe three, four,
five years old taking public
transportation by themselves.
Stop it.
Are you serious?
It's insane.
Toddlers.
There's a whole, there's a
whole Netflix series about kids,
really young kids doing errands.
Like their parents will set
them up with like flags.
They'll go on public transportation.
Get groceries, come back
and you got to watch it.
It's that's what I'm talking about.
Ps Adam: Like get the kids working, get
them, get them, get them adding value.
What about Zane?
Hey, we didn't introduce
Arun: Aaron.
We didn't introduce Aaron.
Welcome to the podcast, Aaron.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank
Aaron: you.
Ps Adam: Imagine that.
I think Zane's almost ready.
He is.
To do errands because he's about
Aaron: to walk.
I've told my wife we need to
give him a modeling contract.
Oh.
Because everyone in this
household contributes.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: There's no free lunch.
Arun: Baby Gap.
Baby Gap.
Aaron: He'd kill it too.
He would.
This kid, this
Ps Adam: kid is a good looking kid.
He gets it from his mom.
Some kids look weird.
Okay.
No, let's be honest.
If we're keeping it, I'm not
gonna name which kids, but
I'm just saying some kids do.
Um, but I think Zane to me looks like
a cartoon character in real life.
I love that.
He's just so handsome and uh, the
way he makes you feel when you look
at him and he smiles at you, you
just feel like he's been looking
forward to seeing you all day.
Yeah.
And it's, it's a great feeling.
He's the most
Aaron: intentional baby I know.
Really?
Every person he looks at, he
looks at you in the eyes, he
follows you, and then he smiles.
He looks right
Ps Adam: into your soul.
He's like, here's a prophetic word.
This is what it feels like with Zayn.
That's awesome.
Arun: We're, we're
actually on YouTube now.
Let's YouTube.
So what we're going to do is, the cover
for this episode is going to be Zayn.
So people can see.
Oh, come
Ps Adam: on.
Let's see.
Start.
He's modeling contracts.
Arun: Yeah.
And we'll do a little thing.
We'll tag baby gap and we'll, we'll get it
going.
Aaron: Hype Pod is launching businesses.
Let's go.
Arun: That's like, tell us a
little bit about yourself, Aaron.
Yeah.
Ps Adam: Um, man, intro
yourself for the people.
Let him know for the people.
I'm from the dirty south.
He's from Alabama,
Aaron: Montgomery, Alabama.
Born and raised.
Uh.
Roll Tide.
If you don't know what
that means, go look it up.
It'll change your life.
Change your life.
Alabama's the Bible Belt, right?
So there's two religions in Alabama.
Okay.
Christianity,
Ps Adam: college football.
So...
Which is stronger?
Aaron: It depends.
It depends what day of the week.
Yeah, right.
Monday through Saturday, football.
Sunday, everyone's in church.
If you're not,
Ps Adam: you're...
God gets one day.
He gets the first though.
There you go.
Redeems the rest.
Aaron: Okay.
So I grew up in Alabama,
went to school out there.
Um, I told my wife when we were
dating, I'm not going to New York.
I'm not going to California.
Oh.
Oh, hello.
But God's funny in that way.
I ended up out here a couple
years ago, working at Intel.
Can you just
Ps Adam: pause?
Pause.
Why?
Why, what was anti California for you?
Aaron: California's anti...
Southern culture.
You're a bunch of hippies.
Ps Adam: Oh, really?
Still?
Aaron: Still.
We see you guys as tree
luggers, uh, tree lovers.
Tree luggers?
Ps Adam: Tree huggers?
We're lugging trees.
Arun: That's hard working people out here.
Aaron: Care about the environment.
Yeah.
Uh, organic, vegan.
All those are antithesis of the South.
Is
Ps Adam: that what you found to be true?
Absolutely.
Really?
Aaron: Yeah.
For the most part.
But then, uh.
You found the normal people
Ps Adam: in the diamonds in the
rough on the diamonds in the rough.
That's funny Uh, so yeah, you're from
the south, but you came out here, uh
and came out to into it Uh, Intel.
Was it Intel?
I was at Intel.
You were at Intel?
One of the Is?
One of the Is.
OG, OG
Aaron: Silicon Valley.
If I'm not
Arun: mistaken, you studied
aerospace engineering?
Oh man, you did your research.
Yeah, I did.
I looked you up.
Wow.
Yeah,
Aaron: so.
Stalker of a room.
I know.
My, uh, my dad's an engineer,
so I went to school.
I didn't have a choice.
Uh, did aerospace engineering.
Nice.
Fun fact of the day, I worked
for NASA, uh, for my senior
design project, so it was cool.
But, uh.
I like to talk to people,
and engineers are weird.
Well, I'm an
Arun: engineer, man.
Aaron: You're an anomaly.
You're the diamond in the rough.
Yeah, okay, there it is.
You found me.
Ps Adam: He's vegan as well.
Yeah.
Okay, so you're an aerospace engineer.
You're working at Intel, and
then you got the Call of God.
Aaron: I moved out here, and
I vividly remember this day.
I was driving to work, and
I was like, I got a career.
I'm making a bunch of money.
Yep.
I'm married.
Climbing the corporate ladder.
There's still something missing.
So I was like, God, what is my purpose?
It's not to do this my whole life.
So it was like a month of six,
like six months of just prayer,
purpose, purpose, purpose found vibe.
Got connected with pastor Vance.
He was like, Oh, you do finance?
I was like, yeah.
He was like, me too.
You want to join my team?
I was like, I would love to.
Let's just serve the Lord.
Right.
And in that season, it was
literally opening the mail.
That was it.
Opening.
It was literally opening the mail.
Here's a bill.
And I would scan it in, and
then, uh, it moved to automating
reports for the church.
Then they trusted me with
tithes and offerings.
And I was like, they
trust me with the money?
There you go.
Crazy.
The story I remember in the Bible
is when, uh, one of the Israelites
lied to God, and then the ground
opened up and swallowed him.
I was like, every single
penny has to be accounted for.
It has to be.
I ain't getting swallowed for this.
Not getting swallowed.
And I went on this journey, I was
like, God, I had several opportunities
come up, uh, Netflix reached out,
that fell through, I had a couple
of internal positions that were
promotion, they all fell through.
I was like, God, what's going on?
And then I remember this Sunday vividly,
Pastor Vance comes up to me and says,
Hey, Aaron, I got an opportunity for you.
And in my soul, I was like, he's about
to bring me on the overflow team.
Ps Adam: I was like,
Aaron: this is it, I'm making it.
And he was like, would you
like to work for the church?
And before he could finish
the sentence, I said yes.
That's right.
And Pastor Vance was so surprised,
he was like, wait, wait, wait,
wait, go talk to your wife first.
Yeah.
Because he knew what that meant.
Yeah.
I didn't know at that time.
Ps Adam: It's meant so much
Aaron: more.
It meant so much more and, uh, my
wife was like, Hey, this is amazing.
This is what God has
been positioning you for.
This is why you're in California.
And I was, man, two and a half years
Ps Adam: ago.
Is that long?
Two and a half years.
My goodness.
And
Aaron: I, I had an interview
with Pastor Vance, I had an
interview with Pastor Adam.
And the only thing I remember from.
Pastor Adams interview was are
you ready to do big things?
That's right.
So we're doing big things.
That's awesome.
Ps Adam: That's why his
nickname is Junior Big
Aaron: Things.
Junior Big Things.
For now.
For now.
Ps Adam: The first thing we did when
you came on is we bought a building.
Literally a month, a
Aaron: month into the job.
He's like, hey we got this opportunity.
Oh cool, what is it?
Let's go buy this 32
million dollar building.
I was like, wait.
I was like, wait what?
I was like when?
Yeah.
45 days.
Yeah.
You guys are
Ps Adam: crazy.
That was his baptism in divide.
You guys are crazy.
Arun: Funny story 'cause like I looked you
up mostly because the, um, when I first
met you, I was at back in the warehouse
days when we were during Covid and stuff.
I was, I think it might have been just
after that we were still in the warehouse.
We're doing media and I think you
had come on to kind of help with some
media stuff for it, for conference.
It was Vibe
Aaron: Conference.
It was the first Amen.
Conference.
Right.
Arun: I'm so behind the computer.
I don't know what's going on around me.
So then I thought he was just a new
volunteer that was coming on to join team.
And so as like, um, the member of the
media team I'm trying to recruit, so
I'm trying to pitch media to you and
I'm like, Oh, you should come on.
It's really, it's
probably the easiest jobs.
You just come in here,
click a few buttons.
I'll show you how it's done.
And he's like.
Oh yeah, I'm already on team.
I'm basically the CFO and I was like,
Oh, that's a little embarrassing.
That's something to make sure nothing,
no other major life updates with you.
No, no, we're good.
Um, but speaking of, you know, employment
and working, uh, pastor Adam just
recently sent me an article about this
new trend called, uh, being over employed.
Oh yes.
I wanted to talk about that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny that you sent this to
me because you're in COVID as well.
I also consider this.
Do you want to explain
it or I can explain it?
Ps Adam: Yeah.
No, I think you do a better job of
explaining it, but I'll, I'll, uh,
Arun: Yeah, yeah, definitely.
So basically the trend is during COVID,
a lot of people were getting remote jobs.
Um, and during that period, they
realized I can work multiple remote
jobs without either employer knowing
and getting the task done because
some of these major companies
don't require a lot of face time.
Cause you kind of get a lot,
you're a cog in the wheel.
You kind of get lost.
So you can, as long as you
make your meetings and you
kind of structure it right.
Um, you can work, get, collect two
paychecks, you know, and do a similar
maybe eight hour workday, you know, if
possible, because if you think about
it, you know, a lot of these people
at major companies aren't actually
working full eight hour days every day.
Yeah.
Right.
Um, it's a common joke.
Yeah.
I'm getting paid.
When I was at Google, a common
joke was you're getting paid
to ride a bike, you know?
So, so that's kind of how it is.
Can I get one of those bikes?
Yeah.
The Google bikes are around here.
The bikes are around here somewhere.
Um, but.
There's a whole Reddit thread about it,
how to do it, how to interview, what
to say, you know, what the right way
to do it so you don't get, because it's
technically illegal unless your contract
Ps Adam: Is it illegal?
It's not.
Okay, that's what I thought.
I thought it was illegal.
It
Arun: could be if in your contract,
you know, you have a non compete,
exclusivity, stuff like that.
Okay.
Um, so most of these places only
say if you're working at, um,
Um, a non competitive, you know,
place you can do that, but the
expectation is it's on your own time.
Right.
Correct.
And so, but then I thought about it
and like, even at church, you have
a lot of people that are working
maybe on staff or volunteering, but
then also have like a full time job.
So what do you think?
What are your thoughts on?
Well, I
Ps Adam: mean, I definitely have a
bunch of thoughts because my, my initial
reaction when I heard about it during
COVID was like, Oh, this is wily,
but it made sense because, you know,
you were cutting out commute time,
people were getting their job done.
Um, and then.
I mean, you know, everyone had
like that hobby with all baking
or they were doing something.
Yeah.
Some people were like, let
me just get another job.
Yep.
And so they're earning two incomes.
And what I was originally maybe a little
offended by was like, Oh no, that's smart.
It's genius.
That's smart.
Like, and there's a whole community now
where people help each other to do it.
So for me, I feel like, uh, I
don't see anything wrong with it.
If that employment isn't
optimizing that person's potential.
Okay.
Um, So that tells me that people are
certainly underemployed at their, at
their current job if they can, you
know, take on another full time career.
The full time and full time is still,
I think, a little bit disingenuous.
That if you're employed full time,
meaning this many hours on your contract,
and you're using those hours to do
another job, I think that's dishonest.
Mm hmm.
Mm hmm.
But...
If there is a synergistic, uh, style
of organization that you can run
alongside or you can build something,
uh, you know, that's the Silicon Valley.
Everyone's got their side hustle.
Everyone's building a product.
Um, I think if it doesn't
detract from what you're doing.
I think go for it.
Uh, because I know this.
There's an old saying, you guys
have heard it, if you want something
done, get a busy person to do it.
Generally the person who's got a lot of
plates spinning is generally also the
person who can get things done quickly.
Uh, and not delay.
Aaron: The over employment is
the spirit of Silicon Valley.
You're always grinding.
You're always finding out.
So, in my opinion, if you can do
two 40 hour jobs, that's 80 hours.
If you can handle 80 hours, do it.
I think you should
Ps Adam: just communicate
with your employer.
I think they're only
doing 40 hours, though.
That's the thing.
If I communicate
Aaron: to my boss, hey, I got
this other thing I'm doing.
I think the thing
Arun: is, you don't communicate that.
That's the whole kind of premise.
Exactly.
The premise is, they don't know.
Both parties
don't
Ps Adam: know.
And that's the Reddit feed, right, is
how do you make sure that you're present
in a meeting online and all the Reddit.
It suddenly works from Work at home.
Right, right, right.
Aaron: Only for remote jobs.
So the Reddit, Oh, I thought
the Reddit feed was how to,
Ps Adam: how to do it
without being detected.
Arun: They have technology to
make sure your mouse is moving so
that you're not offline on one.
I was doing that at Intel all the
Aaron: time.
During COVID, I spent more time
playing Call of Duty than working.
1000%.
Absolutely.
Arun: I was there with you.
Warzone?
Ps Adam: Guys, I was trying
to keep the church open.
Oh, right.
Yeah, yeah.
Aaron: Sorry, sorry, sorry.
I wasn't on staff here, just to
be super clear for our viewers.
Ps Adam: Okay, so, so, your
thoughts have changed then?
Aaron: I think it's okay
as long as you communicate.
Right.
100%.
Ps Adam: Yeah.
I think as believers, definitely,
there has to be, there has to be
open, honest, uh, Dialogue right
because it's your integrity.
That's a plate.
Yeah Um, are there many people getting
away with working two jobs and their
employer doesn't know about it?
Of course Uh, that's why i'm a
big fan of accountability as far
as hey turn up at the office.
I think that productivity Really
the idea of coming to the office
isn't just about getting your work
done if you think i'm getting my
work done Well That's very selfish.
But are you collaborating with the
team to help them get their work done?
And that's why we hire teams.
And that's why we work together.
But I think if you're open and
honest with your employers,
they have got this side hustle.
This is my, my additional job.
And they're like, Hey, that's cool.
Uh, go for it.
Give you stipulations.
I just don't want to see you doing it
on the work laptop or I don't want you
doing it, you know, uh, during work hours.
If you can abide by that and you're
putting the hustle season in where
you finish your work, you go to work.
Um, that's great.
But I think, yeah, doing, doing the,
uh, two at once and nobody knows.
Yeah.
Arun: I think the tough part is like,
there's a balance because like you said,
there's a hustle side, but then there's,
especially in like tech companies,
it's like your job isn't fully defined.
A lot of it is.
Can you do more than what you're
just assigned right right?
They're putting they're pouring a lot
into you these tech company That's why
they set such big infrastructure around
you is to kind of yeah grow you in your
career But if you're just doing the bare
minimum, I think that could be still
even if you are doing it, you know off
hours But you're not doing more than
your job calls because you're just okay
being at the same level You don't you're
not looking for promotion because you're
getting paid Twice as much, right?
Exactly.
So, so you didn't care
about the promotion.
You don't care about the promotion.
So you don't care about the
company, you know, exactly.
But then does the company care about you?
So that's the argument on Reddit is
the company doesn't care about you
because a lot of people got fired
and during the beginning of COVID.
And so that's when this kind
of, at least my understanding is
that's when this kind of started.
So people started getting
remote jobs and then realized,
okay, the pay is not the same.
Maybe I'll get a second remote job.
And then you realize, you know,
the agency is on yourself to
go take as much as you can.
See, I
Aaron: think the
communication works both ways.
If you can communicate with your
manager that you're doing this and they
approve it, that's wonderful for you.
But for the employer, if you're having
a bunch of people communicate and
they're doing stuff on the second.
On the side.
Yeah, that's indicated.
Hey, we're not maximizing our people.
Like you said, yeah, we need to rearrange
how we're structured so we can Incentivize
innovation incentivize people wanting to
do more It's a signal an economic signal
to your employees and to your employers
the way that we structure thing This isn't
working We're wasting a lot of resources a
lot of productivity of our people because
a lot of them are doing stuff on the
side If we foster communication, it will
actually help us be more productive as
Ps Adam: company.
Well, let me also play the advocate
for the company here because sometimes
as a company, you could definitely
build out a portfolio for an employee
that maximizes every minute of every
hour of the day, but then you're not
giving any bandwidth for creativity.
And if they're using the bandwidth
that you've allowed for creativity,
Or collaboration, and they're filling
it with another career, well then
actually they're not optimizing
what you've set in motion for them.
So I think that, uh, that's why it's
kept secret is because You know, I'm not
going to create a, a, you know, they're
not in tech, you're not a lawyer, you're
not, you're not, you know, billing every
minute that you're on the phone, right?
There is something about technology
that you need the creative space as
an engineer to think through problems
and dialogue with other engineers
or, you know, whatever it is.
And a lot of these companies that
we know around here, probably missed
in being one of them is you've got
like, you, you definitely got life
balance that they're considering.
As a part of the package that we want
you to you know, enjoy your life So
if you're now abusing that by filling
that work life balance that they've
initiated By filling it with another
career that's stressing you out.
You're actually bringing
poor productivity.
So Guess what when there are people to be
fired the low performers will get fired
So you can't blame the company for that,
Arun: right?
I want to talk about that when you
guys, um, were talking about setting
up a space where people could kind
of maximize their productivity.
I think a lot of it is like that
inspiration to want to go further, right?
What do you think that, that gap
is for me at a certain company?
Maybe I don't want to do it, but if I
bring on this new thing, maybe I have
a little bit more motivation to do both
and my kind of capacity grows, but in
that one I don't have as much capacity,
maybe because the interest isn't there.
I'm trying to figure out what.
What allows me to do is it because
it's two easier jobs maybe that
I can do both and manage Yeah, I
Ps Adam: think for me there is a
difference between increased capacity
and diffused energy So so if you have
something that's synergistic or in
your wheelhouse that gives you enough
reprieve from being You know mind numb
in one area because it's maybe a bit
challenging and I think what you can do
is you can tackle complex Problems, but
you can't do complex problems non stop.
I think that's why you need
creative outlets I think
that's why you need Rest time.
But if you can create something that
gives you that, uh, still momentum and
being productive while it's changing
your headspace, uh, I think that's great.
So for me, you know, during the week,
here I am preparing sermons, I'm
doing ministry, I'm leading teams.
And then, uh, for me on Mondays,
it's portfolio companies, it's
talking, uh, mentoring, debt,
uh, investments, development.
It's a different headspace,
but it's very productive.
Um, some people may choose just to
do an artwork or something like that.
But if, if you're doing, if you're
going from complexity to complexity
and it's actually deteriorating because
it's diffused energy, then you're
actually not achieving what that,
that flexibility provides in my mind.
Yeah,
Aaron: I agree.
I think you shouldn't be trying to
use different skills that aren't
being applied to your primary work.
You should be using the same skills,
honing them, refining them in both areas.
So you're moving the same thing forward.
And I think it really
comes down to vision.
If you're at a company that you're not,
So if the vision or can't see yourself
in the growth of the company, that
leads to want to do something else.
But if the company's vision is motivating,
if it's inclusive, it's always going
to allow the room for you to grow.
One of the things I'll never
forget, Passive Vance told me
was, Aaron, if you can dream it.
You can do it.
But if you limit how people can dream,
if you limit with things that they're
able to even have a conversation about,
they're naturally gonna want to find
something else while being comfortable in
something they already know, especially
in roles that are repetitive, right?
Yeah.
So it's a vision.
It's lack of vision.
Yeah, makes sense.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I think if people can,
I think if people can do it well,
I don't think there should be any
limited to how much money you can
earn or how much work you can do.
I think, you know, And definitely
it is Certainly a season probably
in your 20s and 30s where you've
got to do this Because once you get
into your 40s, you are going to have
different life balances And do you
want to be hustling your whole life?
Or is the hustle a season that then, you
know, you can start to enjoy Your work.
Right.
I don't think the hustle
should be to not work.
Right.
I think not working is a myth.
Mm-Hmm.
. I think you want to hustle so that
then you can do what you enjoy.
Yeah.
I
Arun: love that.
I love that.
So, okay, one more piece of like, what
would you advise people out there, if
somebody's listening out there that's
doing this, working two jobs, would
you say, put that effort and energy
towards some new creative venture
that you can kind of start on your
own or continue to do these kind of
similar jobs that maybe you're not
growing in either, and kind of you same
kind of hustle, same kind of energy.
Um, you go
Ps Adam: first,
Aaron: I would say, going back to
vision, what's the vision of your life?
Is the current job you're
in getting you towards that?
If not, I would continue doing
what you're doing on the side to
figure out, is this what I love?
What's your passion?
And at a certain point in
time, do your economics.
If your side business is what you love,
put your whole hearted attention to that.
Don't just stay in this box, the rat
race, because as Pastor Adam said,
there's no such thing as retirement.
You're going to have to figure out a time
to exit into something that you love.
Not that you can quit later on, but
something that will propel you forward.
The old saying is, if you do what you
love, you never work a day in your life.
So you got to figure out what you love.
What's your passion?
Where do you see yourself in the next
10, 15 years and go all in on that?
Ps Adam: Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think, uh, In my mind is I think
it's stupid to work two jobs for two
employers I think maybe have a job that
you work that is your exchanging time
for money and then have Maybe something
that you're starting or you're working
on that you're wanting to build that
Maybe there is a transition in the
future or it's just a residual good
Enhancement to your finances for me.
I I encourage even my staff Cause,
you know, ministry is, in many ways,
that's the career path that you're
choosing to go for, for life, in a
way, uh, but don't be limited by it.
Can you create some income somewhere
else, so you continue to grow in your
giving, you continue to grow in your
generosity, and you're not limited
to what you earn from the church, but
you're using your intelligence to earn
a greater capacity for generosity.
Oh, that's awesome.
Arun: Speaking of innovation,
have you guys been following
along with kind of OpenAI?
How much do you guys use ChachiBT?
In
Ps Adam: the day to day, Aaron?
Oh, very little.
Very little?
Yeah.
I think AI is going to create
a world of, of new jobs, um,
that, you know, over years, I
definitely think industries change.
You know, uh, you think about how many
factory workers there used to be, but now
there's a lot of automation and robotics
and even in bakeries, you know, like
some of the biggest bread companies.
Everything's machine made.
Uh, well that doesn't mean there's
people going, well, I can't make bread.
What am I going to do?
They find a new way and
sometimes an elevated way to
create income and stuff like
Aaron: that.
Think about America in the 1900s,
probably half of Americans were farmers,
but then the tractor came along, all
these innovations in agriculture.
Oh, wow.
How many, how many people,
how many farmers do
Ps Adam: you know, Arun?
Well, I live in Hollister,
so my neighbors are farmers.
Aaron: Fair, but you get my point.
The innovation didn't
cause a lack of jobs.
Right.
We have more jobs than ever.
Mm hmm.
Right.
Innovation always leads to more
Ps Adam: jobs.
I'll tell you what they do have is
they have more innovative farming.
Yes, they absolutely.
So you go down, okay, so where
we live, you don't know this.
Mm-Hmm, . 'cause you're a city guy.
All right?
But we're in the country.
Love the country.
And uh, when you go down past some of
these paddocks, is it, call 'em Fields.
Fields?
What do you call 'em?
Fields.
Arun: Uh, you would know.
I would, I'm a city guy.
Like a
Ps Adam: fields.
Let's call fields.
Let's go with fields.
Yeah.
Uh, obviously I'm a
city guy in the country.
But you have these fields.
And you have these machines,
literally rolling along these
rows, and there's lasers, like
just shooting out, getting weeds.
Arun: Yeah, yeah, I've seen that.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, yeah, I've seen
that on YouTube, it's
Ps Adam: pretty cool.
Oh, well, I've seen it in real life, bro.
Oh, wow.
Okay, so I'm not, I'm not, I'm not
YouTube educated, I'm, I'm real
life first hand experience, man.
Come on.
It's a whole other thing in real life.
That's true, that is true.
When you're like driving,
and it's going at night.
So it looks like this crazy
scary like sci fi machine just
shooting weeds and burning them.
It's like the beginning of a
Aaron: Halloween movie.
Ps Adam: It's really crazy.
What's he doing?
Imagine getting caught
under that thing, man.
Okay.
Arun: Yeah, no, I think, um, the
next thing I wanted to talk about
was, like, what's the next step?
And how far are you willing to go with AI?
Um, and I don't know if you
guys have heard of Humane.
ai.
Um, they just released a wearable,
the pin, the pin, exactly.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if you've seen this,
but I'll show you the video.
Oh, I'm excited about this.
Same.
I am.
I don't know if this is going to
be the one, but, um, there's like
where I'll show you what it is.
So basically like it's a wearable
that you can wear on your jacket, your
shirt, it's magnetic and they have a
kind of laser printed screen on your
hand, um, with some gestures and stuff.
But the whole premise
of this is to replace.
So this will have a camera, it's
always on, it's always listening, it's
recollecting all the stuff that you've
seen in the day, um, and then giving
you information back based on that.
Do we have a
Ps Adam: price point for
Arun: this yet?
I think it's like 670, 700.
Hmm.
So kind of like a low end phone.
Um.
It looks heavy.
Yeah, I think the way that they did
it was very smart to put it on heavier
clothing so you don't see the stretch.
Yeah, but I can see
Ps Adam: that's pulling the lapel.
lapel down of the
Arun: jacket.
In my mind, I don't know about
this is a form factor, um, yet, but
the idea of an always on wearable
is really interesting to me.
I think it's gonna supplement the phone.
It's not gonna replace the phone
because having a screen is,
you can't really replace that.
Um, but what do you guys
think about wearables?
I got
Aaron: one major question.
Okay.
Did you say always listening?
Arun: So always recording.
Yeah, they have some, yeah.
It's, it's going to, to
Ps Adam: make it.
Aaron, what do you think
your phone's doing right now?
Yeah, no, and I get
Aaron: that.
Just get the tenfold hats on.
Come on My head went to
arguments with my wife.
We can, uh, replay.
Instant replay.
Arun: Boom.
That's so funny you say that.
There's another company called Rewind.
Oh, that's so good.
Their pitch point is for that.
Did your wife tell you
something you forgot?
Rewind.
Aaron: Literally.
It's a Black Mirror movie.
It is.
Episode.
Arun: Did you see that one?
Yeah, I've seen that.
Pastor Adam needs to watch Black
Ps Adam: Mirror.
Yeah, I've still put that
in the playlist, guys.
But, but man, yeah.
Always recording.
Always recording.
Aaron: You said this.
I probably would make the argument
worse, but that's what my mind went.
Yeah,
Ps Adam: that's definitely
gonna not set you up for a win.
Um, okay, so I think
there is some scope here.
Like, let's not lean into the negatives.
Okay, yeah.
Let's just be optimists,
which we like to be.
Yeah.
And, um, this is some cool
technology that's come out.
Couple of Apple developers,
Arun: they're trying to make it as,
you know, presentable as possible.
possible.
Ps Adam: Yep.
I just saw on there, like you got video.
So it's recording, taking photos.
Yeah.
It does.
She's making it look heavy though.
Like that's definitely pulling
her jacket down and that
doesn't look very comfortable.
Imagine that on a t shirt
or something like that.
Um, his looks more comfortable
for sure, but it looks like he's
got it connected to his, you know,
undergarment or something like that.
Yeah.
Um,
Arun: okay.
I think the delay with the tap
and hold, like a lot of the cool
stuff on here is auto translate.
So if it's listening to a conversation.
And it's in a different language,
you can press and hold and it'll
reply, it'll translate and then reply
for you in that language, right?
Like Google Translate kind of
has this now, um, on the phone.
So this is kind of doing it with
like an always on kind of mode.
Um, but I think it's a little wonky,
you know, you're in the middle
of a conversation, you say pause.
Click.
Tap.
Yeah, and you do that.
So, but I think the
direction is really cool.
Yeah, the direction is really cool.
Ps Adam: Yeah, I said don't go to
the negatives, Arun, and you went
to the negatives, but that's okay.
I think, look, if I'm looking
at the positives, I think
I went to the negatives.
No, I think it's, I love the idea of new
evolution of from, you know, a device in
the hand to we're now not just limited
to glasses because I think everyone's
been fixated on glasses for so long.
with wearables.
Now we're going to pin.
Yeah, that's
Arun: pretty cool.
Yeah.
There's a pendant now too.
That one's just a microphone.
Okay.
That's called, I think it's rewind
AI, but they're basic premises.
They're just listening.
Yeah.
End of the day, they'll give
you back everything you heard
meeting notes, that kind of stuff.
Aaron: So do you think
we'll ever get to context?
That'd be cool.
Wearable AI context.
Whereas it's processing
information in real time.
Arun: Neuralink, right?
In your brain.
In the brain.
The full symbiosis with AI and humans.
It's like the final step, right?
That is the final step.
Ps Adam: Would you guys do it?
Uh, no, I like my brain.
Yeah.
Arun: But there was an interesting
argument when, um, about, and compared it
to sports back in the day when baseball
first had steroids kind of come in, and
if you weren't a player using steroids,
you just kind of fell, fell behind.
And there was this.
Argument that if you're not one
of the people that gets chipped
Eventually, you'll just kind of
Ps Adam: fall behind.
I kind of wanted to see how
I fare against chip people
Aaron: It would have to be a massive
Ps Adam: gap.
I feel like we're going to create tribes
of purers and chipped You know and the
pures see if we can rise up and you
know Just use our brains our normal
brains, uh compared to like a chip.
That's really interesting.
That's
Aaron: really Aurelian
Ps Adam: Yeah, I just feel like that's
going to be the future competition.
Yeah, but I like that mindset.
Arun: You're like, give me a chance.
Let me, let me go against a chip person.
Ps Adam: Yeah, let's take it on,
you know, uh, no enhancements, but
I think, uh, yeah, I like this.
I think there's some cool, uh, tech.
I don't, I think obviously it's a
first iteration and see what, you
know, keeps evolving from here, but
we're on the, we're on the right path.
Yeah.
I think we're on the right path here.
The
Aaron: wearables is just going
to replace the Apple watch.
Yeah, we'll no longer need to
watch, but I agree with you.
It will not replace the phone.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think you can
Arun: replace that.
Yeah, I don't think you can replace that.
Um, but then on that topic of
collecting data, um, there is that
recent, um, ruling that came down
where car companies are allowed to
collect whatever data they want.
Um, the case was dismissed.
So like the microphones and cameras that
are in your car, or, or like if your
phone is plugged in, they're allowed
to collect all your text messages,
your voice, your everything they do.
Um, and there's a lot of these car
companies that are in their stipulations
have a lot of, you know, weird things.
They can know your gender,
Ps Adam: your activity.
So let me, let me, I've already
freaked out about this with, uh,
with Google's AI Gemini that they're
going to be training it on Gmail.
So access to all your emails and
if you, if you use, uh, like, uh,
you know, Gmail, then everything
that you've got is their data set.
And apparently when you
sign up, you agree to that.
Who reads the terms and services?
No one does that.
And everyone uses it.
So, I mean, what, Grok, uh, is
going to use X, uh, all that data.
And, uh, what would, what's Facebook?
Does Facebook have a, have an AI?
Uh, Meta AI.
Meta AI.
So they're probably going to use Facebook.
Uh, who else is, what's Llama?
Who's, who's doing llama?
Aaron: I
Arun: mean.
Is that, that's apple I think?
Ps Adam: Is it really?
I think it's Apple, I think.
Okay, we're in trouble, guys,
because they've got a lot of data.
Um, you know, but that, it's not net new.
Right.
That they're drawing your data
Arun: somewhere.
Right.
And I actually think it might be okay.
There was this idea that your
Roomba is kind of going around
your house, mapping out your house.
I remember that.
Providing you ads for stuff
that would fit in your house.
That's pretty cool.
Yeah, I
Ps Adam: mean, we all
freak out about it, right?
Privacy until it's really convenient.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
That's actually
Arun: very helpful.
If I'm gonna get ads, I at least want
ads that are, you know, relevant to me.
Yeah.
Aaron: The thing you gotta, we gotta
remember is the more we innovate, the more
we're opening the door for regulation.
Did y'all see the, the, the, uh, I can't
remember what it's called, in Europe,
where they just passed this sweeping bill?
Where they can regulate any
business, any business data on
Ps Adam: the internet.
What do you, hang on,
wait, wait, wait, wait.
That sounds so European.
Yes.
Aaron: They've, literally last week,
they passed this law where they can
regulate business data on the internet.
Wow.
Anything that is breaking the law.
Sounds cool, right?
But they haven't defined
Ps Adam: what the law is.
That's a little scary.
Make it up as you go.
Aaron: The penalty, 6
percent of your global
Ps Adam: revenue.
Oh my gosh.
Not profit,
Aaron: not country, global revenue.
Wow.
So the more companies use data, the
more we're asking for the government
to be big government, to regulate.
So it's a, it's a, we want to innovate,
but at the same time, you don't want
to overstep and invite correction in.
So that's where my mind goes.
The more data you collect, the more
oversight people think you need.
Ps Adam: I think when it comes down
to privacy though, like, if this is
collecting data, you know, the, the,
the pin and the wearable, like you
said, it's recording all the time.
Okay, good.
It may prove an argument.
Um, but you know, is it
capturing all the time?
Is it, you know, uh, what,
what do you want private?
You know, do you want at home private?
I think, you know, it's with the phone.
We're very well aware.
It's audio listening to what we're saying
Um, but you know, and and what does
it have access to but i'm not really
afraid too much of my communications
Being stored i've got nothing, you
know crazy to to share um But at the
same time, I do want privacy in my
world, uh, just to protect my kids.
And, you know, there, there are photos
that we've taken as family that we
don't want out there for people to.
And it's more because my girls
will say things like, Dad,
that's not a great photo of me.
And so I was like, cool,
I'm going to protect that.
It's just for dad's, you know,
photo catalog, um, as you grow
up and I'm recording stuff.
So I think about that, that kind of
stuff, um, definitely is the privacy area.
Yeah.
With
Arun: protecting.
Yeah.
I think the, the thing that I didn't
really scare me that they were collecting
my data and then serving me content.
I think the thing that just recently came
up when I was doing some research was
this idea of these social platforms that
are, You know, tweaking their algorithm a
little bit to serve you data that'll kind
of push an agenda or push a narrative and
they do it for a social destabilization.
Have you guys heard of this?
Yep.
Absolutely.
And it's, and it's kind of crazy.
It's kind of creepy to think about.
It's that it's evil genius is that
you don't even think about it.
You think this is just the
sentiment of the world, but they
are just pushing maybe a portion
Ps Adam: to divide us.
Yeah, I mean this one, this
is mainstream media, right?
You've got mainstream media, social
media, and I think mainstream
media of, we thought that probably
social media would be the.
But what we saw with just the
recent Republican debates is that
mainstream media have literally shown
nothing from the vague, but social
media is only showing the vague.
I didn't know anybody else was
on the debate stage, but when
you watch a mainstream media
like Fox or something like that.
They are only showing like Nikki
Haley or, or somebody else.
And it's interesting how they've been
pushing that narrative for a while.
So of course, uh, you know, technology
can be geared and wired in such a
way to propagate and perpetuate a
narrative that what is a narrative?
It's what you're told.
So if you're only told one side, that's
the only narrative that you have.
And so it's not that difficult
to create propaganda.
It's actually very easy.
Just don't give an open world view.
But I think what we've got, and
here's my, here's my hot take on,
on, uh, the future of innovation and
even like these, these narratives is
it's going to create a generation of
people who know I got to research.
I can't just take what I see
because I've seen how this is made.
I know that I'm being sold something.
I know that my world is being framed.
So I've got to find stuff.
I think what we're doing is we're
moving out of a generation that
just took the news as legit.
You grew up thinking, well, if it
comes through the news, it's fact.
But now we know, well, that's fake news.
Yeah.
I can't trust anything.
But I think it's changing the
way we approach information.
But it's so
Arun: interesting.
Oh, you go for it first,
but then I'll counter.
Aaron: What percent of the population
do you think will go through the
effort of actually researching?
Specifically Americans.
And Millennials.
And Millennials.
And Gen Z.
Are you
Ps Adam: ganging up against me now guys?
What percentage?
Aaron: General generalization.
Do you think most people will
actually take the effort that
it requires to be educated to do
Ps Adam: research?
No, I think there's a mass
population that don't care.
Bingo.
I think there's a lot
of people that whatever.
Mm hmm That's Democrats.
Yep.
I'm just joking.
Um, I think there is, there is
definitely a lot of people that,
uh, you know, will just take any
information and be like, okay, cool.
I don't care as long as I get my,
you know, gaming time or whatever.
But I think for those who are, uh,
minded and mindful about the future,
they're going to research and they're
going to, they're going to learn
if you're leading, it probably, and
it's probably an age of maturity.
When you're young and
immature, you don't care.
But when you get to that age of
maturity, where you're actually maybe
a parent or you're responsible, you've
got a mortgage now, all of a sudden
life will change your paradigms.
I've talked, I've talked to so many
people, I've spoken to people who are
like, I don't care about politics.
And then all of a sudden they get a
mortgage and they have like taxes and
all of a sudden they care about politics.
Because who you vote in
determines how much tax you pay
and different things like that.
So life stages will bring policy change
or, or like, not even policy changes,
but I, I guess a perspective change that
will make you interested Absolutely.
Where absolutely where you
probably weren't interested before.
Mm-Hmm.
. So there's always gonna be a percentage
of people who don't care, right?
Yep.
But, but there will be a large
percentage of people that actually care.
Yeah.
Arun: I was gonna say though, the one
part about that is that I think it's
getting harder now, like mainstream media.
I agree.
Outside of that, let's, let's turn to
like maybe the internet social feeds.
But now in social feeds, we have all
this content that's going to flood
the market that you just cannot tell.
Like the new Pastor Adam avatar.
Yes.
How do I have any idea if it's you?
You won't.
It's going to be so good that
there's going to be a new Pastor Adam
avatar that's telling me everything
that's against what you're saying.
But I trust
Ps Adam: you.
Right.
Well, I mean, we've seen that
with like, uh, uh, was it Joe
Rogan and people like that.
And, um, yeah, I think it may
change the way we do social media.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
If that starts being prevalent, I think
we'll just have people off social media.
And there'll be new platforms
of communication that are
finding ways to be authentic.
I think you can't just take the solid
state of what we've got right now and
go, Oh no, we're going to lose that.
Well, maybe we need to lose that.
Uh, social media is a season.
It's not a forever thing.
And so I think, uh, you know, we're
going to look at what will, what
will these integrations do to the
whole system and change things?
Yeah.
How do you guys, all right, go for it.
I
Aaron: think it'll force us
back into more in person.
Yeah.
Yeah, I agree.
You won't be able to tell the
difference unless you're there.
Mm hmm.
I
Ps Adam: wanna...
Don't you think we're
already on that pathway?
Absolutely.
Where, uh, people, I know more
and more people who are like, I've
just got no time for social media.
Nope.
Actually, I know more
people moving back to X.
Yeah.
Like, who went away from Twitter,
were on Instagram, and, um, I
have to admit, I am, I've been
on X way more than anything else.
Really?
Over the last several weeks.
Aaron: What do you think the
number one reason for that is?
Ps Adam: It's so much more exhilarating.
Like, Instagram really
feels weird all of a sudden.
It just feels, it's like, I feel like
I'm looking at somebody's photo album.
And everyone's trying to show stuff.
Whereas X, Is information.
And I would never post
anything about me on X.
But on Instagram, I feel like
I can only post about me.
Does that make sense?
And so, I'm not going onto X and
reading about Arun from Arun.
I'm reading something
Arun's interested in.
And that's what I love about X is I'm, the
people I follow, I'm reading what they're
interested in and what they're reposting.
I think that's the
Arun: best part about it is you curate
who you want to get information from.
Yes.
I love that.
I think that's why Twitter, now X, has
been my favorite platform of all time.
Because that's where I
get my information from.
Yeah.
I get it from the people that I
want to follow specifically and I
know that they're verified in some
way and I can trust that source.
Yeah.
And I think that's what, That's
where I get my information.
And you feel like you're learning.
Ps Adam: Yes.
You feel like you're getting informed.
You feel like you're, you're not just
mind numbing time and you don't feel the
obligation to like or share or comment.
I feel like Instagram has this social
pressure to feel like you've got
to like or notice somebody's photo.
You've got to repost.
Yeah, all that, that stuff, you know,
but I think X for me is like a reprieve.
Arun: Yeah.
Do you use X a lot, Aaron?
I'm not on X
Aaron: at all.
Hop
Ps Adam: on.
I don't, you're not on there at all.
I'm not at all.
Oh, you're missing my Instagram.
It should be your only social platform.
Yeah.
I'm, Hey, that's a, that's a
big call, but I, I'm, I, I don't
know why you, are you on Fred's?
Ugh.
What happened
Arun: to that?
Did that die?
It did.
It could have affected
Aaron: soon as, you know what?
I've
Ps Adam: seen it, I've
seen it on Instagram.
Of course it's, it's have, like,
they weave it in there now.
Have you seen that?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Like you go through an
Instagram post, you're like,
hang on, why is there a thread
Arun: in marketing?
So now people don't have to
post it on their stories.
So now it's
Ps Adam: just kinda, it,
it's just, it's so weird.
Like, they're trying so hard.
They
Arun: really are.
But
Aaron: it's not, it's not it.
I, I think the thing with Instagram
is you can see the algorithm now.
Mm.
When it first came out, you didn't
know there was an algorithm.
Oh, it's so evident.
Mm-Hmm.
. It's so evident now.
It's like this is
Ps Adam: in my face.
You know what?
I feel like Instagram's
become, it's, uh, TikTok.
I feel like it's becoming more like
um, Millennial TikTok, yeah, yeah,
Millennial TikTok, so Gen Z is TikTok,
Millennial is Instagram, and then
uh, Gen X is X, okay cool, no I mean
Arun: that's a huge debate, it's funny
you bring up TikTok but it's a huge debate
about, China is kind of using TikTok to
kind of, you know, push their propaganda
through TikTok, collect our data.
I mean, I don't think
that's, that's the case.
There's data brokers out there.
They can get data outside of TikTok.
This isn't their big play, but I do
think that if you're not fully aware of
the data that you're consuming or the
content you're consuming, you can allow
yourself to get, you know, can I do
Ps Adam: a data debate for a second?
Let's do it.
Let's do a data debate.
What are you worried about with them?
Taking your data?
'cause the data that they're
taking, yeah, I don't care.
They're taking my data.
The data they're taking is usage.
The data they're taking maybe is,
uh, you know, uh, content, like words
you use, all those kinds of things.
But in the big pool, and.
And quagmire of data.
It's not necessarily individual.
It's a collective's data.
I think what we should be more
worried about is real life threats.
Like, uh, the border, the southern border.
How many militants are coming across
the southern border that's wide open?
That should be more of a concern
than, uh, than data, in my opinion.
No, I agree.
So, you know, equip yourself.
Aaron: Yeah, I'm a, I'm a conspiracy
theorist around a certain specific data.
DNA.
I will never do the ancestry thing.
I just feel weird about giving
Ps Adam: you my DNA.
I'm about that too.
All
Aaron: other data you can have.
I don't care.
Arun: Yeah, fill me in.
What is this?
But why, why that specifically?
Ps Adam: Well, you can be cloned.
Bingo!
.
Arun: Okay.
Arun.
Okay, fill me in.
I don't know.
Can I?
Are there people?
Ps Adam: You're in the system now.
I I haven't done it.
Your DNA is in the system.
I'm the safe by now.
Maybe you
Arun: saved me.
What if they make two A ruins?
Really that bad?
People believe in bio weapons.
Oh, right.
Mm-Hmm.
. You believe bio weapons?
Aaron: Yeah.
Yeah.
They,
Ps Adam: oh yeah.
James Bond.
Have you seen that?
Literally
Aaron: they can make weapons.
Come on that attack certain genes.
Mm-Hmm.
. Mm-Hmm.
. I wanna get rid of a room.
I got your DNA.
I know exactly.
This is only gonna affect you.
I'm good.
Ps Adam: Wow.
Conspiracy theories.
Oh, I like that.
We could, you know what we're going to do?
We're going to get the tinfoil hat caps.
We do.
So every yes, we give them one.
Oh, I like that.
And if they qualify.
Aaron's qualifying.
You have to come
Arun: up with.
Ps Adam: You have to
bring a conspiracy theory
Arun: to join the Hype Pod,
yeah, bring your conspiracy
theories, we'll let you on.
Ps Adam: Apply it.
Arun at HypePod.
pod.
Fantastic.
Is that it?
That was it?
I think
Arun: that may be it.
I wanted to talk about building teams,
but we'll leave it for another pod.
Oh, let's do that next week.
Let's do the next pod.
It's going to be a full one.
Team building.
I'm really, really excited about having
you here and hopefully you can come back.
Aaron: As long as I can invite it, I'll
Arun: be there.
He loves it.
Yeah, bring in another conspiracy theory.
And the next time you also
have to do a song, so just be
Ps Adam: prepared.
That's what we said.
Yeah.
Pre pod, as I was setting
Arun: it up.
Yeah, so we set it up.
Aaron's gonna be our first.
He's coming on next time.
What do you think,
Ps Adam: if you would pick a song,
what song do you think he would do?
Oh, he
Arun: already did pick one.
Would you do it?
All the way up.
All the way up.
Aaron: Oh, yeah.
Okay.
All the way up.
Done.
All
Arun: right.
All right.
Well, I just wanted to shout
out, um, Katrina as well.
Um.
Yes.
And Vance.
And
Ps Adam: Vance.
Yep.
Vance is traveling.
Vance is building stuff.
Yeah.
Man.
He's out there.
He's a visionary.
Killing it.
Yeah.
He's crushing it.
Building the company.
Closed his Series B.
Oh, wow.
Congratulations.
Huge.
Huge.
He's, uh, he's really, really doing it.
He's, he's elevated.
And, uh, hopefully he comes
back down to the high pod level.
Arun: Don't forget us, Pastor Vance.
But for all the listeners out there.
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Great
Ps Adam: pod.
Good to have you back.
We're in.