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Is hard work really the key to success, or is there a smarter way to achieve your goals? In this episode, Joey and Drew discuss the value of hard work and the flaws in the phrase "work smarter, not harder." They share personal reflections, including the story of their first hoodie release, thoughts on the Pareto Principle, and discuss the “unsexy” side of entrepreneurship. They also talk about the importance of earned efficiencies, and their thoughts on balancing effort with smart work. Tune in to hear honest, no-nonsense insights on effort, efficiency, and what it really takes to get ahead!
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The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and Made in the USA apparel brand. Family-owned and operated and headquartered in Philadelphia. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.
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Drew Beech
Drew Beech is an entrepreneur and cofounder of Few Will Hunt. He spent several years in the sales and marketing industry, grossing over several million dollars in sales. But his love for the entrepreneurial journey and desire to escape the rate race started with his personal training business in college. Today, Drew leads the Few Will Hunt community alongside his cousin and cofounder, Joey in their mission to restore the dignity of hard work through the highest-quality American-made apparel.
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The official podcast of Few Will Hunt, the world’s largest community of hard workers and 100% Made in the USA apparel brand. We’re on a mission to restore the dignity of hard work and help others live The Rules of The Few to strengthen ourselves and strengthen society. No entitlement or excuses are allowed here.
I believe efficiencies are earned. So you have to do a %, a 10%, a 20% of the work to find the smarts.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show.
Speaker 1:What's going on, Eagles? Welcome to the Fuel Hunt Show. I'm Joey. I'm joined by Drew, my cousin and co founder. Today, I want tell a little story today first.
Speaker 1:Please do. As a setup.
Speaker 2:You are good.
Speaker 1:First, how are feeling, man?
Speaker 2:I'm grateful to be here, dude. Grateful to be alive.
Speaker 1:Okay. Good.
Speaker 2:Just got done a nice long episode with our friend, coach Sean. Yeah. It's feeling super mellow, dude. Like, just like you said, like, I mean, there was I think I got the secondhand
Speaker 1:I think you got
Speaker 2:the secondhand cigar smoke. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I smoked a cigar on the show with coach John for the first time in over ten years. And, yeah, I mean, my brain is just I'm I'm kinda calm and just
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's a it's a mellow setting here today.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's mellow. It's mellow. It's mellow in HQ. I'm so I'm gonna tell a little story first, and then I wanna talk about something.
Speaker 1:Something a saying, a particular piece of wisdom that has been around for a really long time apparently that I really can't stand. And I wanna get your take on it. And, of course, if you oblige, I'll give you my take. Mhmm. And I wanna get kind of the community members gears going on it too because I guarantee that they hear it in and out of their personal professional lives every day.
Speaker 1:So story time first. Do you remember one of the first hoodies that we released? This is probably 02/2019.
Speaker 2:I think it was the first hoodie we released because I know that spoiler alert. I know the title of the episode. So that
Speaker 1:I You don't know my you we didn't compare notes, though. You don't know my take on what I'm about to say.
Speaker 2:Correct. Correct.
Speaker 1:So what I wanna what I'm trying to get to is we did not prepare for this.
Speaker 2:Now, again,
Speaker 1:I feel like okay.
Speaker 2:So are you referring to the the first hoodie? I I believe our first hoodie was a work harder hoodie.
Speaker 1:Was it was it our first?
Speaker 2:I believe.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Think you're right, actually.
Speaker 2:We had our eyes set on, like, elevated casuals. It
Speaker 1:was a
Speaker 2:super fancy Yeah. Again, very low
Speaker 1:French terry.
Speaker 2:Was French terry. Low low margin.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Super low. The typical
Speaker 1:Even lower than they are today. Yeah. Yeah. Which is if if that's even possible.
Speaker 2:Negative margins back in the day.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. So you you are correct. Our original OG work harder hoodie, you remember it well. Right?
Speaker 1:It's gray, French Terry. I have mine. I still have mine.
Speaker 2:I cut mine down. It's like a old school, like
Speaker 1:Wait. Did you give it to Bill Belichick?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Gave it to Bill Belichick? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I was I was actually wearing that the other day. Mhmm. And it's crazy to see how many community members still wear it. You're talking about a garment that is, what, five years old? Mhmm.
Speaker 1:Almost. Right? That's been through just, like, been through it. People training and everything. Ton of community members still wear it.
Speaker 1:Tiny TIFF. I see Tiny TIFF in it all the time. I see them. I haven't spoken to her recently, but she's still wearing the work harder hoodie. So whatever
Speaker 2:Tiny TIFF.
Speaker 1:She's still killing it. She's still killing it.
Speaker 2:Strong as
Speaker 1:strong as ever.
Speaker 2:Still crushing dirt ons. Right?
Speaker 1:That was
Speaker 2:her thing?
Speaker 1:No. I don't think so.
Speaker 2:I thought she was a dirt
Speaker 1:on She's a big vertical diet now, man. Like,
Speaker 2:Love the vertical diet.
Speaker 1:Good for on the killing it on the diet. Strongest strongest ever.
Speaker 2:Good for gut health. Stan Efferdeen. Thank you. Shout out, Stan.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Shout out, Stan. And shout out Tiny Tiff. But I noticed in her stories that she was wearing the work harder hoodie the other day. It was a nice piece, man.
Speaker 1:French Terry. It had that headphone, like, pocket. Thumb hole. Like, sneak out the cords.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Thumb holes.
Speaker 1:Thumb holes. Oh, yeah. It's got thumb holes in it. Really dope garment. One problem with it.
Speaker 1:It wasn't made in The USA.
Speaker 2:Biggest biggest for fuel hunt nowadays.
Speaker 1:What's that? Yeah. Yeah. It's big.
Speaker 2:Was not
Speaker 1:Big issue, man. Big issue.
Speaker 2:It was not made in The USA.
Speaker 1:American made only. It goes it goes to show, though, that, like, even from the beginning, we didn't compromise on quality. Now we are
Speaker 2:We are fancy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're fancy. You can get some nice stuff overseas.
Speaker 1:It just did a child make it or not? I don't know. You know what I'm saying? So that's kinda where we're at, the crossroad there. So I was wearing it the other day.
Speaker 1:Guy stops me on the street. Old guy. Kind guy. Old head. Probably means well.
Speaker 2:Philly old head.
Speaker 1:I think he's more of like a I think he's suburban old head that just happened to be in Philly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 1:Because we're in I'm in, like, I'm in, the Rittenhouse area. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right?
Speaker 1:So it's like, you know, different different vibe there. So, anyway, he he stops me, and he says, hey. And he, you know, smiles, and he kinda points at me, and he's like, you know, you have to work smarter. Like, of those. But, yeah, kind.
Speaker 1:He meant meant well, probably. I don't think he he understood that, like, I have a real issue with work smarter, not harder. Like, that is a phrase that I cannot stand. Like, I wanna use the h word to describe it, but I won't.
Speaker 2:We all say the h word?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I'm not I'm not big on the h word. So when he stopped me, naturally, you know, I just smile in the heart or whatever. But I think in my mind, I'm like, man, what's going on in in that guy's head? Like, maybe he was just trying to, like, spread a smile.
Speaker 1:You know, he came up to me with a smile, laughed, everything. Maybe he's just trying to spread a smile because when I walk around, I ain't guys smiley typically.
Speaker 2:Like,
Speaker 1:I'm kinda like
Speaker 2:little me and mulligan.
Speaker 1:Little militant in my in my in my moves. You know I mean? So maybe he was just trying to spread a smile, but I started thinking to myself like, what's going on in his head? Right? And then I thought probably what's going on in most people's heads with this whole work smarter, not harder thing.
Speaker 1:And now I realize why probably that hoodie was so popular with the community. You know what I mean? Because they probably feel the same way too. Yeah. So I wanted to chop up that phrase a little bit today, get your take on it.
Speaker 1:I'll give you my take, and, you know, give our community members something to chew on about it because I know they hear it, especially at work.
Speaker 2:You know? I think we might have the same take on it, to be honest. But I
Speaker 1:would think so.
Speaker 2:I believe when I first heard the term, maybe my old my first job, but that it was all in regards to creating efficiencies
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:When that's really not in my eyes now, how I perceive the the phrase work smarter, not harder. Yeah. It actually, in in my eyes, comes to doing the hard work is the smart work. Mhmm. And the work that is required to get you to where you want to go in life.
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Because a lot of people and I think you told said this to me before, but show up at work every day, answer emails, shuffle papers, go home, and then say, wow, I put in a hard day's work.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:And that's really not hard work at all. And it's not
Speaker 1:It's busy work.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And it's not gonna get you to the goals that you may have set. And the problem with those people, for the most part, people that are showing up every day, answering emails, and going home, and so they worked hard. And I was one of those people before. Mhmm.
Speaker 2:They don't they aren't traveling towards any working towards any type type of goal. Yeah. Exactly. And that's I'm kind of getting long winded here and off the
Speaker 1:Well, they're just on their kinda on a hamster wheel.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Path to where I was talking, but I'm developing another thought of, like, you need to have a clear goal set to be able to even know what smart work is.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I agree. I agree. You you mentioned something. You said the word efficiencies.
Speaker 1:Right? So do you know where pop quiz. Do you know where the term work smarter or the phrase work smarter, not harder came
Speaker 2:from, where
Speaker 1:it originated.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm literally gonna Google that after this episode go. I
Speaker 1:don't know where it originated either, so I'm sure. Now I'm joking. I did the research. I did the research, man. I'm I'm joking, man.
Speaker 1:I'm
Speaker 2:joking. YouTube people would have come for me like, Remember the episode where I I didn't know The
Speaker 1:solar system? Yeah.
Speaker 2:I didn't know where Jupiter was. I got roasted. Like, this fucking idiot not knowing what solar
Speaker 1:was Yeah. That's hilarious.
Speaker 2:And everybody else
Speaker 1:We got other we got other things to handle. The solar system is the solar system. We got other things to handle. No. Did the research.
Speaker 1:So in the thirties, there was a an engineer, I believe an industrial engineer, Morgan Stern, who had this work simplification program. Right? And he coined the phrase, work smarter, not harder. Now, as I understand it, this program that he developed was basically to, like, clean up the mess of the, like, industrial revolution because that that was a mess to a
Speaker 2:certain degree.
Speaker 1:Right? So he was looking for efficiencies and to build systems to create more progress based on what they learned during the industrial revolution. So Which is smart. Which is smart and which is necessary. It's just needed.
Speaker 1:Like, there's a lot of, you know, inefficient and unfair practices probably during that time. So it was needed and was necessary. So here we are now. So that was like nineteen thirties. So here we are almost a century later, still using the same phrase.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Right? But in my eyes, bastardized. Yeah. I've never ever I've never met well, I can't Nine out of 10 times that I've heard that phrase, it came from somebody that I don't wanna be like.
Speaker 1:Mhmm. Whose work ethic I don't wanna emulate.
Speaker 2:I think I think we've held on this, but the person I related to is definitely someone that the place I
Speaker 1:Yeah. We don't. Yeah. We don't have to we don't have to get into it, but you understand where I'm coming from. Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, most of the time when it's said, it's like
Speaker 2:It's almost lazy.
Speaker 1:It is. Yeah. It's basically a joke about being lazy.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:It's it's basically like, yeah. It's it's basically a joke about being lazy. It's like, I'm lazy, and I'm gonna rationalize it, and let's let's just do funny about it. Mhmm. Now I'm not I'm not talking like manual, like, manual hard labor.
Speaker 1:Like, I've been there, man. Like, I've worked on a moving truck. We had a rule, work smarter, not harder, where, like, you know, if you go into the house to ask the customer something, you'll always come out with something that has to go on the truck. Like, never come out to the truck empty handed. Like, when it comes to manual labor, I understand.
Speaker 1:So, like, don't worry
Speaker 2:about manual labor. I think, like, it does apply. Like keep going.
Speaker 1:It it applies. Yeah. It applies. I mean, you could even make the argument that, like, okay. Well, if I come out to the moving truck without anything in my hand, that means I need to make more trips, which is better for my physical fitness.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Like, you can make the argument. You know what I mean? We're gonna take manual labor, like, out of the equation, and we're gonna look at it in, like, maybe, like, the corporate setting. Every time I've heard it, it's from somebody that I don't wanna be like, whose work ethic, like, I do not Yeah.
Speaker 1:Have respect for. You know what I mean? So I'm actually here to advocate for the opposite. Work harder, not smarter.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:How do you feel about that? I think I wanna flip it.
Speaker 2:No. I like I like it. I I support your initiative.
Speaker 1:Thank you.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna start I'm gonna be looking for signatures in YouTube comments.
Speaker 2:Because, like I said, working hard is working smart. And a lot of the times when people fall short is they don't wanna do the hard work necessary to get the to their goal.
Speaker 1:To their smarts. Yeah. So here's the thing. Right? You said efficiencies.
Speaker 1:One point that I wanna make. I believe efficiencies are earned. Right? So you have to do a %, a 10%, a 20% of the work to find the smarts. Right?
Speaker 1:Back in the day when people and I had, like, team members and, like, employees that would say, oh, work smarter, not harder. And I'm like, bro, you've done 60% of your required work today. You have no idea the work that is the smart work.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Know what I'm saying? Like, you have to do a % of the work Mhmm. Before you can realize that. Like, they try to and the really crafty ones were like, well, you know, the Pareto principle.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And I'm like, I get that. Yeah. Like and and then they break it down. If you don't know what the Pareto principle is, an Italian Pareto, an Italian economist, I believe he was. Back in the day, he noticed that 80% of the wealth in Italy was controlled by 20% of the populace.
Speaker 1:He also noticed I think he had fruit trees or some shit. He also noticed that, like, 80% of his fruit came from 20% of his trees. Right? And if you look, I think it's is it Freakonomics? Maybe the book Freakonomics?
Speaker 1:If you look throughout society, the world, the Pareto principle holds true. In business, you know, 80% of your revenue comes from 20% of your actions. Like, you know what I mean? The Pareto principle sounds true. So the really crafty MFers would be like, well, Pareto principle, work smarter, not harder.
Speaker 1:Really, only 20% of what I do are the needle movers. Yeah. So that's what I'm gonna do, just the 20% because I'm working harder. I'm working smarter. It's like you have to do a % of the work Yeah.
Speaker 1:To find the 20%.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? And then guess what? After you get smarter and you found that 20%, more problems arise because that's how life works.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And you gotta do a % of the again.
Speaker 2:It's funny you just recall when you said, you have to earn your efficiencies. Ambassador of ours, athlete of ours, Dylan Royce, and I are in the middle of a book that he actually recommended on our podcast.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:The Red Rising series that we talked about.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2:And in it, there's this character, Lysander, who is the grandson of a, like, a former sovereign sovereign or, like, queen. Right? She was like the the shit. Yeah. But it's apparent it was, like, a bad it was a bad woman.
Speaker 1:Formal title. Yeah.
Speaker 2:The shit. Well, she's dead now. Well, I might have just spoiled it. Sorry. So anyway
Speaker 1:This is, the moment we had on the Yeah. On the phone yesterday.
Speaker 2:Oh my god. So anyway, he's recalling her and, like, all of the lessons he taught her. She taught him Mhmm. Coming up, like, he always resorts to the mind's eye, like, with his third eye, like.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And just, like, basically, like, all of this hard these hard challenges.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She made him do. And he was doing this one particular challenge, like, where he had, like, he was basically running stairs barefoot. They were like, no, that's some crazy anyway, some wild shit. And he said something like, I can't do it or something like and she's like, oh, you want to use contractions? Now you think you've earned contractions?
Speaker 1:Oh, that is amazing.
Speaker 2:That is amazing. Basically slapped this shit out. I don't know how you just recall maybe recall that, but I was like like, it's all it also could be looked at as like a lazy way of speaking in.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's amazing. That is amazing.
Speaker 2:So who are you thinking you have to earn? You you have to use contractions.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna
Speaker 2:I I am going to use that. Everybody's got something to come come for which gets him.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm gonna use that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Sorry. I really can't use contractions anymore. Now I'm,
Speaker 1:Dylan recommended that book to me, so, like, some time ago,
Speaker 2:but
Speaker 1:it's fiction. Right? Yeah. So he knows, like, I'm not a big fiction reader, but he did recommend it. Now I'm pissed I didn't read it because it sounds like I really enjoyed it.
Speaker 2:And that's one thing. Contraction. And I talk about books I mean, I talk about books a lot, but I particularly I love, like, a personal development book, but it's really nice to
Speaker 1:Yeah. Give your mind a break.
Speaker 2:At night. Like, you know I mean? When you got a lot put put in the work that day and you get home and you're like, dude, I can't wait get lost in this story.
Speaker 1:But Yeah. So The games.
Speaker 2:To all the readers out there, I recommend pick up a fiction book here and there to Yeah. Like, let loose a little. You know?
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, when you're in the games we're in, it's like personal development all the time. You need a little bit of a of a break. Sometimes I'll watch, like, a, like, a short, like, skit comedy thing or something just to give my mind a break. You know
Speaker 2:what to. I mean, you can't, like pull from as impossible to burn the candle at both ends at all times.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've tried. I've tried. I know. Contractions.
Speaker 1:That's crazy.
Speaker 2:That being said, if you're if you are getting into it, it's, seven books. Okay. And some of them are like 800 people.
Speaker 1:The few are committed, bro.
Speaker 2:The few
Speaker 1:are committed.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm saying for you.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. I'm committed. So I'm
Speaker 2:It's a commitment. Yeah. And I haven't read, and we're getting way off tangent here, but I think the No. It's fine. It's like Yes.
Speaker 2:A book this this good since, like, The Hunger Games or, like, Harry Potter. Really? Do ever read The Hunger Games?
Speaker 1:No. No. I've also haven't read Harry Potter. What? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I know. I know. I know.
Speaker 2:Have you ever read any fiction books?
Speaker 1:When I was a kid, like, frigging hatchet. Flew to the flies.
Speaker 2:Hatchet. Dude, what a wild book.
Speaker 1:I read that book. The Outsiders?
Speaker 2:There was I read all the all her I see him. No. I read all the like, The Outsiders, Rumble Fish. Yeah. All those, like Yo.
Speaker 1:Do you see they have an Outsiders, like, TV show or
Speaker 2:movie No. I'm sick, though. Yeah. Parties that watch that shit.
Speaker 1:Like a pony boy, dude. Stay golden.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Stay golden, bro. Dude, Hatchet, like, I read that book in, like, seventh grade or whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Great book, but I you just brought back, like, memories.
Speaker 1:Hatchet yeah. Hatchet is a great book,
Speaker 2:dude. Hatchet is a real one, dude.
Speaker 1:It is. Hatchet is a real one. So if you haven't read Hatchet, it's basically probably a fourth grade reading level. Pick it up and
Speaker 2:read I'm being resourceful.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yep. Yep. Hatchet. So to answer your question, like, have read fiction, but not not recently.
Speaker 2:Not recently at all?
Speaker 1:No. Not really. I mean, you could consider 12 pillars fiction because it is a fictional story. That's a
Speaker 2:fictional slash personal development.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But that's how it gets close as I've gotten, really, to be honest. Like, I'll either read personal development books or business books or books that are both. That's pretty much it. But Damn.
Speaker 1:I get it, though. Like, I I get it. I get it.
Speaker 2:I'll get I'll get for Christmas, I'll give you the the Red Rising.
Speaker 1:Red Rising. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm I'm curious what you think.
Speaker 1:Do you have all how far are you in?
Speaker 2:We're Dylan and I are both about to finish the sick the seventh one comes out in January.
Speaker 1:Oh, so that's why I was gonna ask you. Is this like a new this is these books are still being released.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, it's the last one.
Speaker 1:Oh, it is?
Speaker 2:Yeah. This one coming out. But so it's pretty new. Mhmm. But the and Dylan and were just talking about this at training on Tuesday, but I think the reason him and I both enjoy it so much Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Is because it's the main character is has, like, one goal chasing something great. Mhmm. And we'll stop at nothing to achieve it. And we see a lot of ourselves in those characters.
Speaker 1:For sure.
Speaker 2:Like, it reminds it reminds me of, the found you read the Fountainhead? Mhmm. That's official. Right? Oh, that's true.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I
Speaker 1:don't really consider, and see, that's the weird thing about me, man. Like, I guess I have read some fiction. I like, Anne Rand, like, I don't consider, like, her stuff fiction. I know that sounds weird, but I don't But
Speaker 2:that being said, I I was hooked on that book because Mhmm. I felt
Speaker 1:I mean, that's
Speaker 2:I related to that main character.
Speaker 1:Right. It's like life. Yeah. That's why people watch certain movies. That's why they join certain communities.
Speaker 1:That's why they it's identity.
Speaker 2:That's why I hate movies because I
Speaker 1:relate to any of
Speaker 2:the characters. Amanda and Parker asked me to watch a movie. I'm just like, I have literally no interest. Mhmm. And I've also
Speaker 1:I like a good movie every once in
Speaker 2:I become so anti society that I think acting is, like, almost weird. It is weird to me. Like, you're literally acting out a life of a different person.
Speaker 1:It's It's kinda it's kinda weird. I mean, it's art, though. There's an art in it.
Speaker 2:And I do have a the hot take question. Is kissing a romance in movies cheating for the
Speaker 1:It's acting.
Speaker 2:Dude, that is crazy. So you're telling me if you
Speaker 1:Is this why I don't want is this why you don't watch movies? Because you envision Amanda making out with the dude?
Speaker 2:All I'm saying is Amanda was an actress Yeah. And she was in a hot steamy make out sesh, a love love scene Yeah. On, like Well, we've talked to for work. Yeah. Like, that's cheating, bro.
Speaker 1:We've we've talked about You're we've talked about I wouldn't it doesn't bother
Speaker 2:me, dude. It doesn't bother Yeah. Dane.
Speaker 1:I think Dane's in my camp.
Speaker 2:But you can go make out with another guy on camera?
Speaker 1:It's not like Car. Oh, jeez. Car. We're bringing headphones. She does she wants no parts to this.
Speaker 2:She does. She has a Well, you're cool are you cool with it?
Speaker 1:I can understand where you're job, and she was, you know, she's act you know, a good actress.
Speaker 2:So she could be a stripper then? Oh, it's her job, though. It's work.
Speaker 1:We we got you and I went down the rabbit hole on this. Like, do you remember? Like, it had to be, like, four years ago. One day we went, like, all all
Speaker 2:the way
Speaker 1:down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I I'm not
Speaker 2:Just for the record, no one agrees with me. I've asked a few people this question.
Speaker 1:What does that what does that actress is, like, not they're not, like, making out. They're not, like Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they're not, like, there's sometimes there's like look, I don't know. I I I'm not an actor, so I don't know. But I thought that there were, like, rules. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Like, the actors They're definitely professional.
Speaker 1:Like, no tongue. Exactly.
Speaker 2:I'm not arguing they're professional, but like the moment Amanda smooches another man on the lips, I'm like
Speaker 1:Amanda, no acting.
Speaker 2:You're acting career's over. Picture Melissa smooched another guy on the lips.
Speaker 1:I mean, if it was like, you know, if she was in, like, Batman, it would be fine, dude.
Speaker 2:Like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Right, dude. And for what? Christian Bale?
Speaker 2:Christian Bale's a frigging frigging I'm Batman. And then he's like, Melissa Melissa That's a pretty good Come here, Melissa.
Speaker 1:That's a good
Speaker 2:I practice a lot myself. That's
Speaker 1:a pretty good
Speaker 2:used to I've spent a night with a Batman mask on.
Speaker 1:In one of your high takes
Speaker 2:during the Chris, I was like, Melissa, I love you. And then they you're gonna be able to sleep next for that night?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Because she's working, dude. Don't matter to me. That's good. I'm not dude, look, I I'm I'm not a cover, dude.
Speaker 1:I don't you know what I mean? I'm just kinda like, look, if that's your job, it's your job, dude. I I get it. I see it clearly.
Speaker 2:I respect it. I mean, just get your comments. Let us know. Does anyone agree with me?
Speaker 1:I don't know. We haven't we haven't found anybody yet, dude.
Speaker 2:So In the YouTube comments and the shorts comp, please let me know if you agree with what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:You do raise an interesting point with, like, acting, though. I never thought about that. I can see if you don't relate to any storylines in movies, why it would be super weird. But I do feel like if you're watching a film and you can really relate to, like, that storyline or that character, that there's, like, there's power in it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like
Speaker 1:You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:We just watched the Christmas story A Christmas Story with Parker. Mhmm. And I was like, wow. When I was a kid, I really loved this movie. They're like, I'll
Speaker 1:shoot your eye out thing?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Now I'm watching them. Like, they're kind of living, like, a super miserable life. The dads
Speaker 1:Of course.
Speaker 2:Like, wait. I would I I was watching them. Like, this is terrible.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But, I mean, also times have changed too. Like, I don't know if yeah. I don't yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1:No. I get it. I get it. And I do have a hard time.
Speaker 2:Wants to get party to watch Home Alone now, and I'm like
Speaker 1:I do have a hard time generally, and I think this is everybody that's, like, in in our space. We we've talked about this before. Like, have a hard time with, like, normal stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah. See?
Speaker 1:Like, I have a hard time. Like, I can't listen to the radio. Like, the radio? I can't listen to
Speaker 2:that radio.
Speaker 1:Is the radio even a thing? Like, who listens to radio? You know, if my
Speaker 2:With podcasts and Spotify In my
Speaker 1:in my Jeep, I'm gonna I'm coming I'm coming for Jeep. In my Jeep, like my CarPlay keeps cutting out. So, like, sometimes I put the radio on. I can't listen to the radio. Like, I can't.
Speaker 1:Like, there's just certain things I can't relate to because everything that goes in, I put through a filter. And I do the same thing sometimes when I'm watching TV. I'm like, I can't watch this freaking show. Like, I can't this like, I can almost feel the energy. And I'm like, even though it's acting, I'm like, I don't want this in my life.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So I understand where you're where you're coming from. I do. But the actors are working hard.
Speaker 2:Yeah. They are.
Speaker 1:They're working harder, not smarter. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Working hard, dream chasing. Yeah. Of course. They're doing it all.
Speaker 1:Of course. Of course.
Speaker 2:Respect that to their work.
Speaker 1:Just don't make out of people.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm just It's funny. Wanna be one. That's funny. That's funny.
Speaker 1:So what you know, when it comes to I think you you you alluded to this. Like, you've heard this work smarter, not harder. You kinda feel the same way I do. Yeah. I wanted to make I wanted to make, like, two really key points during this.
Speaker 1:The first one, I'm all for efficiency and systems and everything, but that's earned. You know? And even, like, when you think about it, we talk about time collapsing a lot, right? When we do coaching or whatever, like learn from my mistakes so you don't have to make them. That doesn't mean you're mistake free, like, be a mentor of ours, right, has helped us.
Speaker 1:He didn't come down from the mountain and say, like, here's the strategy, and then we just did it and everything worked. Yeah. You know? He didn't say, like He actually I'm gonna install the smarts. You know
Speaker 2:what mean? He said, here's the strategy, and then we didn't. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And then we didn't
Speaker 2:listen, and
Speaker 1:then we did listen,
Speaker 2:and then we the hard way.
Speaker 1:And we learned the hard way. So like, even when it comes to like that, it's like, you know, you still have to work hard. Even when somebody gives you the smarts, there's still other stuff. You still have to do a % of the work. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know? So, like, that there's the two points I really wanted to make that your efficiencies are earned. Right? And then the second point is, don't come at me with the Pareto principle because you'll never know what that 20% is unless you do a % of the work. I'd argue many of the times you have to do a 20% of the work Mhmm.
Speaker 1:To find the 20%.
Speaker 2:I agree.
Speaker 1:You know what I
Speaker 2:mean? I you ever hear the phrase, like, shovel dirt? It's like everybody wants to
Speaker 1:Eat a fuel, honk?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Everybody wants to essentially dig a hole, but no one wants to shovel the dirt. You know what mean? Every day, I shovel dirt shovel dirt. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's like or I talked about Danny made that take out take out the trash. Mhmm. Whereas it's almost like you gotta find a balance in the two of, like, taking the trash out one piece at a time and also in a bag while also, like, while also taking out the trash. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Oh, of course. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's there's hard work and smart work. And in my opinion, the work that is going to move the needle the most for you is the smart work at the time. So that that needle moving work may be not a very efficient task. Yep. But that is the smart work that needs to be done to get there.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. I get it. I get it. And I I'm not hating on smart work.
Speaker 1:Like, that's a thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:My beef is people that think they know the smart work without doing a % of the work. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because even we were having this conversation with B recently on one of our l tens.
Speaker 1:Remember he said sometimes successes and inefficiencies? Yeah. Like, brilliance. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly right. You know what I mean? Like, we're so important to build systems and processes, right, so that you get abducted by aliens and you know what I mean? Parker can pick it up or Everly can pick it up and do it. But at the same time, you sometimes have to do just the gritty grunt work, right, to find to find the strategy and the success.
Speaker 2:And that's the a lot of the times, I think, people wanna come to us. They wanna start businesses or, like, teach me this. Like, can you help me with that? And I just know from meeting them if they have it. Right?
Speaker 2:If they have Mhmm. The willingness to do whatever it takes and do the like, because a lot 95 per I I was talking to my friend Vin about this the other day. Our lives look like, the brand looks sexy. Right? But the work we do
Speaker 1:Completely anti.
Speaker 2:Sexy at all. And it's like like, you want a behind the scenes, but a lot of times it's us sitting in our laptops just doing shit we don't wanna do half the time.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Like Yep. The behind the scenes isn't as glamorous as it may look on Instagram. It's, like, late nights. It's freaking early mornings.
Speaker 2:It's
Speaker 1:doing More problems and solutions.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Doing doing percent of the tasks you you want to do as an entrepreneur are, like, you think you're going to do when you sign up to be an entrepreneur
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Aren't the tasks you're gonna be doing.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:They're gonna be tasks that you feel like, realistically, aren't worth your time. Right? Like, you're like, I should be doing something
Speaker 1:The unsexy stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I should be doing something else to achieve my goals of being an entrepreneur. But actually, it's the Yep. The unsexy stuff that's gonna move the needle. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's the it's shoveling the dirt.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yep. Yep. Absolutely, man. Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, there's so much out there now to when you talk about entrepreneurship and even, you know, on social media, everybody's got, you know, the playbook for you.
Speaker 2:Dude.
Speaker 1:But the the reality is and there's truth in the playbook, right, that they're trying to pedal.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But you have to apply that playbook to your own circumstances, and many times, that requires a lot of trial and error. It's not like a lick it and stick it type
Speaker 2:of thing.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean? That's why having a a mentor, someone that's going to be with you as you go through the iterations, that's critical. Like, that's super, super valuable, having a coach or a mentor. The program, though,
Speaker 2:sometimes can someone you can bounce things off of and get Yeah. Yeah. Course. From. Like, someone that's been there have done it before.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Of course. Of course. But the program and the course, you know, there's a lot of programs and a lot of courses bought, and not a lot comes from it. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:It's like
Speaker 2:It's interesting now. Everybody has a everyone has a a course or a playbook. I don't see a lot of people making making plays. You know I mean? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Everyone you see on Instagram is a a coach or
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's pretty wild.
Speaker 2:Like an influencer, and it's like buy my course. And it's like your course on what?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild, man.
Speaker 2:That being said, on the creating efficiencies, I find that a very flooded market for those efficiency creations. And I wonder if you'll agree with me on this. The business and particularly ecommerce space, the amount of applications that are available to create this, do that, do that, do this. Like, Jesse sent us a new app every day.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And I'm like, dude, like, most of my works are on my notes app. Like, you know what mean? Like, everything.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But there is so many options. Oh,
Speaker 1:there's so many.
Speaker 2:Bro, I can't
Speaker 1:even my head Listen. That's why I'm I'm making a stand here, and I'm saying, like, we're as smart as we need to be. Yeah. It's time to work harder, not smarter. Like, we're as smart as we need to be.
Speaker 1:We're smarter than we've ever been as a society. Yeah.
Speaker 2:We're good.
Speaker 1:And where are we at now? Yeah. We're we're softer than we've ever been That's
Speaker 2:so true, dude.
Speaker 1:You know mean?
Speaker 2:Plenty of working smart. We work too smart at
Speaker 1:this point.
Speaker 2:We're plenty of smart as far as to the AI conversation. Like, that's, like, the ultimate smart work. And I mean, I'm not, like
Speaker 1:It's a tool, man. The problem is, like, people people it's the same people that are saying, work smarter, not harder, that are gonna ruin it. That are gonna ruin it. Because instead of using it to do a % of the work more efficiently Yeah. They're using it to do way less work.
Speaker 2:Way less work.
Speaker 1:Way less work. Way, way, way, way less work. That's why, Chris, friend of the community, coach of mine when it comes to copywriting, Orzikowski, email copywriter dot com. Great dude. If you're into copywriting and email marketing and stuff.
Speaker 1:He said, when this whole AI thing came out, like, the copywriting world was like, oh my god. Like, we're all dead. And he was like, you're right if you're a shitty copywriter. You know what I mean? Like, of course, the machine's gonna take you out.
Speaker 2:Copy that you get in AI isn't always That's
Speaker 1:what I'm saying. Dude, of course, you're gonna get if if you're a shitty copywriter, yeah, your life's over. Because you're
Speaker 2:because you're lazy. If it matches your level of copywriting. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yes. Because, more than likely, you were doing lazy work anyway.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:You were not doing a % of
Speaker 2:the work. Exactly.
Speaker 1:You know? So I think maybe maybe the work harder hoodie needs to make a return.
Speaker 2:I agree. I mean, definitely needs to be revamped.
Speaker 1:You think it should be do you think it should say work harder, not smarter?
Speaker 2:No. You don't think so? I just don't think that'd be sexy enough to say.
Speaker 1:Make a compelling enough argument?
Speaker 2:I'm with the argument. I just don't know if that could be packaged up into a sexy enough good go ahead to
Speaker 1:I can work with Vince, man. We could do some things.
Speaker 2:I don't know. Don't know if it moves my
Speaker 1:Yeah. It doesn't.
Speaker 2:My emotional needle too much Yeah. Enough.
Speaker 1:Or I was gonna use an inappropriate analogy that Brianna uses, but I won't.
Speaker 2:Oh my god.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Well, it'll make a return maybe with not without not smarter, but it'll make a return.
Speaker 2:I think
Speaker 1:it should make a return.
Speaker 2:We had two point o too. Remember that?
Speaker 1:Oh, we did. Yeah. We did bring it
Speaker 2:back once. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That was nice. That was nice. That was a I think it was a black hoodie, though. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's when we started getting into our dark phase. Yeah.
Speaker 2:When we just did all black everything.
Speaker 1:Which we do now still to the most for the most part. It's timeless, bro.
Speaker 2:It's timeless. Well, the community tells us themselves. Like, we released both, and they picked the
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Black. Black,
Speaker 1:I mean, you know, protective color as your friend.
Speaker 2:Well, I didn't realize Madison Yeah. Madison is that. I thought it was all depressing, but it's actually
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's protected. Protective color. Protection. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Oh, well, this was fun chopping it up. You got a lightning round for me today?
Speaker 2:No. No. No.
Speaker 1:Round. No. Lightning round. It was. We touched on a lot of different things.
Speaker 2:Well, I I I'm nervous for the amount of roasting that's gonna go. I was like,
Speaker 1:get I'm used to it. You got thick skin. Right? You're good. Right?
Speaker 1:You're good. You're good. Alright, man. Anything else going on you wanna you wanna touch on? We got I
Speaker 2:when I was thinking of podcast ideas, I do my brainstorming Mhmm. I was gonna do one where we weigh in on current events, so look forward to that in the future.
Speaker 1:Oh, jeez.
Speaker 2:Like, there are different things going on in the world and society where we just Oh, jeez. I'll bring them to the table. Maybe they can pop them up on the YouTube screen for people.
Speaker 1:And Yeah.
Speaker 2:We would just weigh in on our thoughts.
Speaker 1:I mean, I'm up for it. I feel like you want to talk about getting roasted. I think we're gonna we'll probably get roasted.
Speaker 2:But my thought my theory is, like, we've made
Speaker 1:Not roasted by the community. Roasted by, like, the random Yeah. The haters. Yeah. The haters.
Speaker 1:And but we Can't have hate without love.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And we've made it we've made our way being the anti society and the and
Speaker 1:I mean, that's where we are.
Speaker 2:Going against the grain and and what's not in the society, but We've been the being a counter movement
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:As we say. And that is how I think we'll get to a million hard workers worldwide. So, I mean, I'm definitely not afraid.
Speaker 1:No. No. Yeah. I'm not not afraid at all. We've done pretty good with not getting, like, banned or having our content taken down.
Speaker 1:We have had some we have had some Instagram posts get taken down, which blows my mind.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know, you post something about, like, you know, burning the boats or something. Yeah. And then we get Instagram comes and slaps us and says it incites violence or whatever. Meanwhile, like, violence is a virtue. Well, even with violence is a virtue, we got, you know, we get hammered with that.
Speaker 2:But Our first experience was the getting fact checked.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We got fact checked.
Speaker 2:On Yeah. Crows.
Speaker 1:Crows. Crows and eagles.
Speaker 2:Fucking weird bro. Viral post.
Speaker 1:Weird bro. Where I was going with that was be prepared because if we're gonna start addressing current events and how the few feel about said events, they're definitely gonna come for us. Yeah. Maybe it's time.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We'll see.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's time. Alright. Well, if you got value from this episode, which it's questionable because of where Drew took us, I don't know. It's questionable.
Speaker 2:Please leave us answers on the, is it cheating?
Speaker 1:But if you got value from this episode, share with a hard worker. We'll share another one if this one was too weird for you now. By by all means, though, share it with a hard worker.
Speaker 2:Please do.
Speaker 1:And I'll leave, I'll leave the few with a reminder. Always choose hard work over handouts. Always choose effort over entitlement. Remember, no one owns you. No one owes you.
Speaker 1:You're one of the few. Now let's hunt.
Speaker 2:What, baby? Hey.