Last Stream Tonight

🎬 Last Stream Tonight - Ep 4 "Platform Drama & Creator Chaos"

TL;DR: Twitch is being weird about multi-streaming, CapCut wants to own your soul, and we're all just trying to make content without getting banned πŸ˜…

This Week's Tea β˜•

🚨 TWITCH DRAMA ALERT Nutty got suspended for… nobody knows exactly what? Twitch sent a vague "you broke our simulcasting rules" message without saying which specific rule. Classic Twitch energy. We dive into why this matters for all of us multi-streamers.

πŸ’° THE AD-POCALYPSE CONTINUES Every platform is cramming more ads everywhere. YouTube is literally making your videos load slower if you use an ad blocker (petty much?), and Twitch wants 50% of their revenue from ads. RIP to the good old days.

πŸ“± CAPCUT = RED FLAG CITY New terms basically say "anything you upload is ours forever and we can do whatever we want with it." Big yikes. Time to learn DaVinci Resolve, friends.

πŸƒβ€β™‚οΈ PLATFORM MUSICAL CHAIRS Everyone's jumping between Twitter/X, Mastodon, BlueSky, and Threads like it's 2007 MySpace all over again. We talk through the pros and cons of each.

Community Shoutouts πŸŽ‰ Thanks to everyone in chat who shared their platform horror stories! Special shout to St. Clinton for the Kick insights and Zalasaur for keeping us honest about platform comparisons.

00:00:00 - Stream Start & Technical Issues
00:02:30 - Nutty's Twitch Suspension Breakdown
00:06:15 - Twitch Simulcasting Rules Explained
00:12:00 - Multi-Chat Violations & Vague TOS
00:17:30 - Moonbeam Platform Introduction
00:22:45 - Twitch's Anti-Competitive Practices
00:28:00 - Platform Market Share Discussion
00:33:15 - Twitch's New Paywall Features
00:38:30 - The Ad Problem Everywhere
00:44:00 - YouTube Ad Blocker Delays
00:49:15 - Twitch Ad Revenue & Creator Penalties
00:54:30 - Kick Platform Moderation Issues
00:59:45 - Dead Streaming Platforms (Trovo, Noice)
01:04:00 - Platform Discoverability Challenges
01:08:15 - Social Media Migration Patterns
01:12:30 - Twitter vs. Mastodon & BlueSky
01:16:45 - Fediverse Gatekeeping Discussion
01:21:00 - Threads & Corporate Integration
01:25:15 - CapCut Terms of Service Warning
01:29:30 - Content Rights & Copyright Issues
01:32:00 - Community Links & Wrap-up

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What is Last Stream Tonight?

Running down the week's news on alternative platforms, indie gaming, and content creation.

Speaker 1
Sorry about that. I mean for some reason my stream is crashing out constantly after like a couple minutes or so. As hard as I tried I've never been kicked off a kick or anywhere else. I think that is due to the fact that it wouldn't make a difference in the numbers. Hi y'all. Hi St. Clinton. How's it going? Yeah, Uncast is glitching. It's both because my... where you're at Solid, that's the um... Yeah, it's back to normal. I don't know. This is like the second time it's done that. But, uh, both owncast, because I'm transferring over to the new domain at twotonewaffle.live, both the owncast feeds of up and down. But yeah, it was one of the things where Twitch has sent out and was supposed to send out a warning that One of the terms of service, of course, he owns up to it like I am right now with showing multi-chat from multiple different places. I am technically breaking TOS. But I think what it was is that you're supposed to give him a warning and then if you continue doing it, then they would suspend your account. But the thing it was is that he never got that warning. Or so he says, We always have to have like a, um, uh, I don't want to use Dexter though. Yeah. Bad boy, bad boy. Uh, let's see. Yeah, it's, it's muted. So if I just bring up, so the reason why he, uh, I'll show you here. I pulled up his video. So is this a one day suspension because of simulcasting guideline validations, it's free real estate. It is real estate. Um, what the thing is that they have three like bullet points and it's saying, well, you broken our guideline, our violation, our guidelines. Okay. Which one was it? Was it using, um, the multi-chat? Was it, you know, providing links to, uh, other places to leave Twitch for while you're streaming on Twitch? Was it, you know, using third party services that combine activity from other platforms? It is. It's one of those things. It's so vague that it's kind of like, why? And I understand the reason why they have it vague because they can do something like this. So he thinks. Yeah. So Twitch calls it simulcasting. Yeah, it is. Where, what, what it is is that Twitch does not want you to, while you're streaming to Twitch, they do not want you to let other, let your viewers know that there are other platforms out there and they don't want that. They just want you to be exclusive to Twitch, but you can still stream to other places, which, you know, doesn't make sense really. So like this, I'll read it here. Using third, like I said, using third party services that contain or that combine activity from other platforms or services on your Twitch stream during your simulcast, such as merging chat or other features, as this excludes or limits the Twitch community from the entirety of the experience of your live stream. Well, that's the thing, Flux. This what I just read is a combined activity from other platforms or services on your Twitch stream during your simulcast such as merging chat or other features. What do you mean by other features? Does that mean if I'm streaming on YouTube and I had let's say I had monetization on so super chats come through. Am I not supposed to even look at super chats? Or if I get like, you know, does that include things from like stream elements for like fourth wall? Someone signs up for fourth wall membership. What does it mean? Somebody saying hello. It's just one of those things that is so very vague that you can pretty much have it be pretty much anything and everything if it's not Twitch. So that's the thing what he was going through. And a lot of people, a lot of people have been talking about this for the past couple days. And the key to is, why is this so vague Twitch, if you want to us to have the capability of doing simulcasting or multi casting or whatever you want to call it. Make it make sense. Tell us what you do or do not want us to do. Be, this is very loyal, not loyal, but lawyer speak. It's something that's very like, this is, this is not like layman terms. Um, and I go to the, uh, the quality of Twitch's user experience of your is less than the experience on other platforms or services, including by your engagement with the Twitch community, for example, via chat. Okay, so what's gonna happen is if I'm multicasting, what does it say, last stream? That's the, hey Fox, that's the show title. That's the show I pretty much started up a new podcast called Last Stream Tonight. It's a inspired by the last week tonight by with John Oliver Hey Mr. CTO of moonbeam. Yeah, those changes are no bueno to creators. Yeah Over on moonbeam. It is it is is basically saying that I have to be focused on twitch completely so if anyone is talking right now on owncast or moonbeam or YouTube or kick or beam or wherever I Cannot give you guys The attention I have to solely focus only on twitch but then again, I am Making the twitch chat experience less than optimal because I'm only focusing on them And not the rest of you guys. Like all you guys talking right now. It's stupid. It's one of those things where Twitch. I'm glad that was it like 2 years ago. 2022 I think it was. Or 2023. Yeah 2022. Um. That is very misleading. I'm sorry Fox. When they allowed multi streaming for monetized creators. But with like these huge caveats like multi-streaming, but you can't have merge chats because they're I'll have to find the actual Harris Heller had an interview with Dan Clancy, the CEO of Twitch and his excuse every single time it comes up is that you can't moderate what happens on other platforms, even though it shows on Twitch. Okay. By that very definition, if I'm again, this is, this has been, uh, talked about ad nauseum since that, since that time. Um, if I'm playing Fortnite or wow, or any kind of MMO and I have chat on screen, that's the same thing. I don't have moderation control. The only thing I can do is hide chat completely because what happens is someone, you know, uh, starts spamming racial slurs or, you know, homophobic or anything like that. Uh, that's the thing that is odd. There is an overarching Twitch community or any platform community, but for the stream, the streamer, the viewers are their community, not the platforms per se. You're correct. If you look at one way of looking at this is that as a creator, I'm only using like Moonbeam or owncast or twitch that is just a tool is Being just to do live stream my content is my content and I'm gonna look we're gonna look at a couple different things because that also pertains to what's also been happening with CapCut but just staying along with this topic on hand is that The way twitch is working wording things Is that they want you to be totally exclusive to them and no other place and they want you to ignore other other other sites But by ignoring other sites you're making the twitch experience Lesser by ignoring those other chatters so in Kind of like a roundabout way They only want you to stream only on twitch But we give it the option we give it the option. We're being a nice guys and letting you Multistream, it's okay. Don't want we that asterisk is very big Let's see, I'm just trying to pull up the the interview that Harris Heller did The solution is only simple own cast exclusive channel. I'm jealous streaming platform. The hell shall have no other streaming platform before me. Right. It's like a jealous ex-girlfriend or boyfriend. How are they creating this anti-competitive incentive? Well, they think in their infinite wisdom, that Twitch is the only live streaming platform anywhere. So you shouldn't be using Moonbeam. You shouldn't be using YouTube or Kik or anything else. So I'm very distracted by cats wanting to go out in the patio. So they want to be the sole provider of any and all live streaming, whatever. Which their numbers are very, very tiny compared to, or actually decreasing compared to like YouTube or even TikTok. If you wanna stream on TikTok and go through that. Yeah, that whole place. No Fox, the only, Vim is not a platform. That is not the only true platform. I should have had this all up and running. That's okay. It was, oh, what was it? It was back like two years ago, wasn't it? I'm not gonna find it. Um, actually I would have to do Nutty Had It on his video. Yeah, YouTube live, TikTok and Kik even have been gaining Twitch's market share. I'm sure that plays into this. But it's exactly you're correct that the reason why I think especially for nutty suspension for that 24 hours is because he does a lot of cool stuff for building widgets and Chat or live streaming improvements for your live streaming One of the things is like a multi chat very similar to to this. I use social stream. He had he built his own infrastructure through Streamrbot. But the thing is that he was working on integrating TikTok, the chat and the gifts that people can send to you, you know, or like the "Oom ice cream so good, gang gang" those type of things. I think that was the reason for the suspension. But then again, Twitch doesn't let you know exactly what rule that you broke. They just give you an arbitrary list of 4 or 5 whatever. And it's just like, "Yeah, you broke one of these. Don't do it again." "Okay, can you tell me which one I broke?" "Yes, you broke one of these." It's just very frustrating as someone who is trying to not break the rules. But then you get told that you broke the rule, but you don't get told which rule that you broke so you can learn as A human as a content creator and as a streamer to not break that rule again I mean, it's simple common sense you would think right? Anthony, I'm sure over you guys over at moonbeam you you're probably Looking at this this whole situation as well and probably be like, yeah Yeah, that is dumb. I would assume that streamers would stream on those other platforms. Yeah, yeah, exactly right. Solid issue with anti-simulcast is that it kind of incentivize platforms that aren't anti-simulcasting. Yeah, we here at Twitch are working on AI to explain how you broke the rule. Too bad we don't have good training data. - But I'm gonna show.

Speaker 2
- 'Cause if somebody comes in and we don't know if this person is suspended, if this person is banned, if something's happening to this person, we have no information about that at all.

Speaker 3
- And I'm sorry, I don't buy that excuse. If that was the case,

Speaker 1
just

Speaker 3
write that in your terms of service.

Speaker 1
- Exactly, if that was the case and you know, write it in the terms of service that again, Do not show chat from other places. Got to run, okay. I appreciate you talking about these topics. Always important. We'll always support multi-streaming. It's your content and your audience. Cheers. Thanks for coming by, Etan. And what is Moonbeam? Moonbeam is another platform, a live streaming service that is basically combining what you experienced on like Uncast, Twitch, Kik, places like that, you know, the live streaming experience, but also has a built-in community aspect, very similar to like Discord, where your community can live within a home within Moonbeam that has chat channels, your live streaming is all integrated into this one particular section that you control and own. Also, the monetization is very, very good because you can pay your mods from where people are subscribing to your channel, you can have like say 20% of whatever comes in, goes to your mods, and or goes to charity or something or something like that. I have a video just briefly, or not briefly, but it quickly goes over, you know, overview of what Moonbeam is. It's one of those things where I'm gonna have to actually go back over because a lot of things have changed since I made that live stream, that video. So it's an actually, it's an interesting live streaming service that it's not gonna, it's not competing against the likes of Twitch, but it's offering a different avenue of live streaming. What percent do you get? You get the, what was it? The, what was that EA thing with the accomplishment or whatever, I forget the exact term. But yeah, it's just one of those things where Twitch is trying to control the narrative and control the live streamers that stream on their platform so much that it's ridiculous. It incentivizes people to go, let's just say if I was, you know, one of these people who stream solely on Twitch. So when I saw this, I'd be like, okay, not only am I gonna get hammered by, you know, the rules that aren't uniformly enforced, but I also have to deal with ads, I have to deal with all different things. And it's just, why should I wanna stream only on Twitch? I can go to other places. I can go onto YouTube or I can go into Kik. I'm looking at it as a way that people only stream on Twitch. They don't have knowledge of other places. So that's just from where my context is coming from. Thank you, Zalazer. Hopefully I said that right. So yeah, and one of the things that Kik, I mean, not kick, but Twitch has recently announced back on TwitchCon EU was two weeks ago, is that, you know, you can do like how you can rewind a video like on YouTube. Well, you can do the same thing on Twitch only if you subscribe to that channel or you are subscribed to Twitch Turbo. That close enough. Hey, that's how I roll, is close enough, is good enough. It's government work, right? So you have to, it's a pay to play, it's a pay to, it's a pay feature on Twitch. But every other service pretty much, YouTube, even Kik has a free rewind feature, which cool, YouTube had it for quite some time. The Zalazar, Zal-ar-sor, like dinosaur. Yeah, Zal-ar-sor. Okay. So when Twitch comes out with these features that they put a paygate on, it's just one of, it's just, again, it's another knock against, why should I stream on Twitch? There's so much that is going against you. And I know I've talked about this before, especially with the ads. Currently as it stands is that everybody has the capability for monetization on Twitch right now. People can subscribe to you, to your channel. People can send you bits and that's cool and all, but if you are not a affiliate or a partner, you do not have access of pulling that money out of Twitch. It wants to sit there. You can use it on, no, you can subscribe to somebody else using those funds. I think we refer to it as like the company town kind of situation. And it's, again, it's like, oh, we'll see that they'll start running ads on even the, previously what it was is non-monetized, but non-affiliate or partnered channels, more than likely they'll be starting running more and more ads on those particular channels. And it's ridiculous really, that Twitch has gone so far into overly monetizing with ads and shoving more ads. I know Flux, you watch on Twitch. I don't run mineral ads. I just have it as the basic pre-roll ads. So when you go into my channel, you'll get hit with 30 seconds of ads or less. Now I can get rid of those if I run three minutes of ads every hour. But I don't feel like doing that because it kind of, especially at my level of how my channel is right now, it is uber tiny. So if you want to run mid-rolls, you probably want to be a channel that has a CCV or concurrent viewers, around like 50 to 200 current viewers in order to make those ads worthwhile. So what's going to happen is if I play ads, anyone that's on Twitch or uses it, comes into it, they're going to get hit with three minutes of ads and they're like, no, screw this, I'm out. Oh, I get ads when I load a stream and then the stream stalls. So yeah, I refresh the stream, more ads. Thanks, Twitch. I've got those constantly. You get the video error, red banner thing, whatever it is. Okay, let me refresh. Oh, look, pre-rolls, yay. (laughs) I have this theory that ads are becoming less valuable since people are getting more savvy about getting around the ads. Yeah, and Flux, yeah, with using a VPN. If you use a VPN and you VPN to another country, let's say, I'm trying to think that like Turkey or something, the ad pool is almost non-existent. So you're pretty much not gonna get an ad anyways. Yeah, so then the platform need to put in more ads. And that, let's actually talk about ads. Are you ready for this? I know it's a little bit old news. It was like last week or the previous week, but the stream delay on VPN, yeah. But if you watch YouTube, you might have noticed that, especially if you use an ad blocker, you might've noticed that your videos are not loading up as soon as you hit, click on the thumbnail to start playing. It's a little buffer circle for what, five for a couple seconds, and then the video plays. That's YouTube incentivizing you with a lesser viewer experience to not use ad blocker, pay for the YouTube premium or enjoy those ads. So they're making the user experience worse in order to force you to watch an ad or pay for YouTube premium. That's great. That's great sound advice for the user experience. Let's make it worse. That's because you have an ad blocker on. And we all know, we've seen those videos and we've seen those news stories about how YouTube ads are very, are basically scams or pornographic videos. We here at the Two Ton Community watch ads. Oh, you wanna watch ads? Let's watch some ads. (laughs) No ads on owncast, only on Twitch. Or if you're watching on YouTube and you don't have an ad block or anything like that. Now I might sound like a hypocrite because you know, as a creator, I do get pennies from Twitch ads. I don't get anything from YouTube because I'm not monetized on YouTube. Nala. But I do run an ad blocker because of the fact of these ads. The YouTube experience without an ad blocker is horrible. Let me pull up. That's why I had the door closed and the cats are not in here when I do live streams. So I'm pulling up YouTube without ad blocker. I'll show you here. It's not, it's not showing ads, I guess. And I'm using the Edge browser just because, you know, why not? But it's weird, 'cause usually you would have like an ad here, ad here that would be taking the place of the video. Let me refresh. Oh, that guy looks familiar. So if I go into, yeah, so it's playing. I don't know why. I guess Edge doesn't have ads. It has ad blocker, I don't know. Uninstalled the YouTube app and just use Bray because it has native blocker. Yeah, I use Dblock Origin on this and on the Mac, I use AdGuard 'cause it's like four bucks a year and it's great. But when even the FBI have told you, have recommended people run ad blockers because of the intrusive nature of ads and how it is, It's just, you can have, you can have, there's more danger of running ads than it is actually looking at them. So, you know, when the FBI tells you to have an ad blocker, then you know, there's some stuff that is messed up with ads and how it's completely like so intrusive, really. But yeah, like I said, with the YouTube, if you do have YouTube, what was it? YouTube Premium Lite, they are increasing the amount of ads that you might experience when watching, was it music videos and other things. So yes, you're paying a lesser priced tier of premium, but you're still getting ads. It's just one of those things where we're getting more and more inundated with ads. I got the, just to know, the Amazon Prime free for 30 days. I was like, yeah, why the hell not? Because, you know, I won't watch season two of "The Rings of Power." But what happens is that you get your show interrupted with ads and it's not a pleasant experience. It isn't. And you got more ads in YouTube, you got ads in Twitch, you got the ad tiers on Netflix and all these other streaming services. It's just ridiculous, really. that you're paying a tier that has ads. Why am I paying a tier to what enjoy ads? Yes, it's lower cost, but it's still ridiculous. And especially on Twitch, Twitch is, I'm sure they're gonna be increasing the amount of ads. It's just, you know, go from three minutes of ads per hour to say six minutes of ads per hour. Uh, there is, uh, if, if of course, if for most of the guys, most of you, you, you on own cast probably don't watch Twitch except for, um, Zalosar. Was it? Yeah. You get, you watch ads on, you watch Twitch. So you get ads. Um, as a content creator that streams to Twitch, I, I get penalized if I don't use the ad, their ad scheduler. I find that the placement of ads that is a problem is sometimes right in the middle of someone saying things. Yeah, real interesting. Exactly. And, oh, what was it? There was a lot of people complaining. It was one of those, the latest animated Batman movies that the in one scene there in between right in the middle of a sentence ad. And it's just like it's not placed organically Most of the new content that are people who creating these shows and stuff like that. They're not creating the shows with ads ad breaks in mind Because we're kind of we've we've moved past that but here we are going right back into shoving ads and in places that shouldn't be But going back to twitch as a content creator So yeah, I'm being penalized if I don't run three months of ads every hour by using the ad scheduler I would get 55% of the ad revenue split from that by running By using the twitch ad scheduler if I don't use it I get bumped down to like 30 or 33 So i'm penalized But still running ads, but not by using the scheduler Yeah, it's kind of annoying when streams pause what they're doing during ads as well. Yeah. Doctor says don't put ads there. Well, yeah, I'm not going to go there. But yeah, flux, you're right. It's it's also like, if we're someone, let's just say for someone who subscribes to a channel in order to, you know, support the channel and also to get rid of ads. So now the content creator has to sit make the constants the decision of saying okay, so I'm going to run ads. But thanks for the money every month, but you're not going to get the added benefit because I'm not going to do much, or I'm not I'm just going to take, you know, give a chair stream, get something to eat, or go use the bathroom. So as a subscriber, the aspect of being ad free is not really a perk because you're not getting the experience just because you know ads are running. Now I get it Twitch as a company needs to make money but the way they're going about it is stupid really. It is not the correct way. As a creative myself, there are other ways of doing this. There are ways to, uh, like monetization. Of course, you've got the subs and, you know, if you want to do ads, there's better ways of doing ads. I'm not really going to get into like the weeds of, of how, because I don't have the brainpower right now trying to think of it. Um, but yeah, it's, there's you know different tiers of video monetization or something something different than just solely relying on ads. Oh what and um uh Dan Clancy again you know great Dan Clancy the CEO of Twitch um did say let me hold on I need to log into blue sky here real quick And Dan Clemency did said something about where they want, what was it? Have something about ad revenue to be up to at least 50% or add the amount of money they get from ads to be up to 50% in the next year or two. I got to figure out where that is. Zach Bussey, he does a lot of Twitch news and updates on that platform and other creator news as well. I am totally, I am, I usually for for this I am very prepared, have everything all set ready to go. But tonight, because normally what I would do is have these, this this particular stream on Sundays. The reason why I'm having tonight because we're We're watching our nieces or my my nieces are staying over tomorrow Monday and Tuesday So again, I won't have time and we had family staying past this past week They stayed over So that's why I didn't have a first two hour stream on this past Tuesday and last Sunday did not have another stream So I'm trying to get get this in here Yeah, I'm not able to find it here because I don't have good search foo But st. Clinton actually a question to do you to you if you're still here Since yeah, you mentioned kick. Do you still stream on kick? Do you still have that as a place or destination that you stream to Because going back to the situation with nutty he actually streamed kick earlier today and then had interviewed with the CEO and another person that is the executive level of Kik. So basically he's just, you know, talking about what he's experienced and what he feels is an issue with Kik and stuff like that. One of the things that he brought up, it was after that, is their moderation is all but non-existent, right? Really? I go through Beam to Kick, Twitch, and Moonbeam. Okay. So what happened during history, and there was a whole bunch, you know, the bots, spam bots just flooded through. And of course, the people with, you know, not great names, the racist names, the slurred names. And it's just one of those moderation things that, you know, Kick doesn't have, that has been other platforms that have gone through this whole process. But, and the things that he brought up, especially in looking at the combined chat is that it's probably not a good idea, especially if you're a larger streamer or somebody who gets inundated with spam bots or anything like that, to have Kik showing up in your merge chat because of the rules that Twitch has on their platform. And it's probably, yeah, it's probably a good idea if you're a larger streamer to not have merge chat, especially with Kik. Yeah, I'm not able to find that one thing that Dan Clancy was talking about. I'll post it up in the forums or on the site. So you dropped Trovo, DLive, Noice, and another one. I had loved Trovo, but it's more towards European crowd now, not the USA crowd. Yeah, well, it's also, I don't know if you noticed, Noice has, speaking of that, I just brought this up here. It's shutting down or it has shut down back on June 9th. So even if you were still streaming to it, you would not be streaming to it because it doesn't exist anymore. - Nice. - Nice. But yeah, with Trovo, yeah, I agree completely with you saying Clinton, it was, it's a great platform but it is, it is highly mobile gamification. Yeah, another one bites the dust. They have so much of those like mobile style games that it really muddies the water. Are you a live streaming platform or are you a mobile gaming platform? Take your pick really. It's just, it's not good really. It used to be a decent platform that had great ideas but it is completely just gone to crap really. And no one really cares. Yeah, it's a new own cast. Wild Gen. This is, I have both own cast going at the same time, but I'm gonna be moving, closing the live.twotonwaffle over to the twotonwaffle.live. So I'm just giving it, you know, at least a month of getting the news out there. Say, hey, this one's shutting down, moving over to this new one. So yeah, I'm streaming to two homecast servers right now, but welcome in. I play flash games over mobile games and it's fun to see how long they try to monetize games. Yeah. And St. Clinton brought up another good point because it's mostly, um, uh, Euro, uh, the, uh, Asian Pacific area, South America, Middle East and Russia. Of course, that's Ukraine, that area. The North American side of things is pretty much like dried up, it's gone. There's like four tons of waffle on Uncast now. You're absolutely correct. Got four tons of waffle. Actually, two, four, six, eight, 10, 12, we have 13 tons of waffle. if you count all the places I stream to right now. 13 tons of waffle. That's a lot of waffle. But I have to, I'm looking over to Trovo site right now just to make sure before I switch over to this. Just in case, because you know, risky click or anything like that. But yeah, you got their games here. Battleground. But as you can see, most of it is probably Russian, Russian, excuse me, Russian, Ukraine, Portuguese, a lot of it's not, the North America is pretty much non-existent. If you want to stream to Trovo, good luck, but their monetization methods are really like strong. Like they want to monetize everything and not in a good way, I should say. So yeah, Trovo, rest in peace. It was good until it was not. And they made a lot of bad decisions where it was just one thing after another, especially how they did their treasure box where you can have like little widgets for people to purchase with the on stream or in platform currency and sometimes even with real world money. It was a whole, the whole debacle with that and the abuse that that whole went through. It was, it wasn't handled well it was not good. At least you know they're still around. Another one that was gone by mismanagement was not Beam, the current Beam. There was another Beam, no, it was Glimish. I'm sorry, Glimish. That platform was taken down by mismanagement. And of course, it was a very tiny initiative and it wasn't promoted well. It is what it is. Um, but yeah, St. Clinton, I know. Um, yeah, you said, uh, with, uh, what was it? Where were you streaming to now? Kick Twitch and Moonbeam. Yeah. Uh, that's where I decided to stream to. I'm, I'm pretty much on all of the different places and stuff like that. Oh, you were on Glimmish as well. Uh, Zalazar. Sore. I'm sorry. I'm very bad with names. Zalazor. Yeah. I got to do a slow. Yeah. Glimmish was great. It was just, you know, management, um, just didn't do what they're supposed to do is very mismanaged and it died and withered rotted on the vine. I enjoyed it too. I liked it. Um, but the FTL, I think at the time, because with Mixer and FTL and and Twitch wasn't using or wasn't as optimized as it is now. FTL was a great piece of technology for your live streaming infrastructure. And that's why Microsoft bought Beam that would turn into Mixer for that infrastructure but they too also fumbled the bag hard on it. There's a lot of like these big corporations, They buy the technology, but they actually just crap all over the actual service. And it's like, you understand that you just spent billions of dollars or millions of dollars and you're just flushing that money down, down the toilet. Oh, I mean, it's your money, whatever. I like streaming also to Picarto and Vaughn, but they really aren't for gamers. Yeah. So Picarto is an art, is it art style or mostly for artists? I haven't heard of Vaughn. That's one I haven't heard of. I don't know if you can see her, but we have, I have Saren, one of our cats. Cause we had the Murphy bed down. She's, that's her spot. Right, so, while we're talking about ads and, you know, streaming software. (laughs) Yeah, the cat, she loves that bed. But anyways, with basically live streaming, the big sites, as you would think, are Twitch, YouTube, and now Kik. I think Solid Hero brought that point up earlier about Kik is actually garnering more of Twitch's space now streaming that you know, there are a lot of people are more experimenting of adding kick into their live streaming platforms that they go to. So one of the things that I think the reason why they brought the suspension on Naughty or enforced the rules a little bit more is because I think they're starting to get a little scared or they're panicking because more and more people are saying, "Hey, I want to check out this other place and see what is it all about." "Trying to ever discover streamers on YouTube and Facebook, nearly impossible, unless you are following someone on them. Forget it on trying to find new streamers." Yeah. Discoverability on pretty much like Twitch and Kik is there is no, there is no discoverability. The only way you'd be able to be discovered is if you're actively streaming. And unfortunately, that mindset has caused a lot of people to stream for like 10 plus hours, constantly, multiple days a week, or pretty much all week. And that mindset, that grinding mindset is not healthy whatsoever and it'll burn you out quick and with Twitch because what was it um Dan Clancy always likes to say the foundation of Twitch or Twitch gives you the stage just like well yeah but that's like you know everywhere else all the other live streaming platforms give you the stage but YouTube I would have to say YouTube is a little bit better in that aspect. Because they're out, their algorithm is a lot better. Yeah, it's awful hustle culture is absolutely nuts. You're you are right. Yeah, sure streaming 24 seven is unhealthy for mortal humans. But Jeff Bezos needs that. Yeah, that wedding money. Yeah, that's all I I say about that? Bezos. But yeah, YouTube is a little bit better on aspects. It's not perfect. It's not great. But it's better than what Twitch and kick currently offer. At least let's let's take for example, YouTube, if you watch a live stream, they will start giving you more live stream channels when they're live, because it sees that, Oh, you were interested in this type of, uh, this type of programming or, uh, this type of content. So they try to push that content a little bit more in your, um, recommended feed. Uh, Facebook, I gave up on Facebook long ago. Um, Facebook just doesn't care. It doesn't give a crap about live streaming anymore. And a lot of the people who were straight live streaming on Facebook are on kick now. What's his name mountain 64. He's pretty much moved almost all entirely over on kick. He was a big proponent for Facebook gaming that live streaming aspect. And he was like a big cheerleader for it was like, Hey, the poster boy of Facebook gaming is a mountain 64, whatever it is, his name is. But they just gave up and they had, they have the monetary gains. They just care less. It's not AI. It's not, you know, feeding more garbage in your feed. I still have my Facebook account because I'll go in there every once in a while. It's just, you know, to check on the family if, you know, for, you know, whatever reasons. But even then, I've tried going back to be regularly posting, especially for on my, I do have a two-ton waffle group or page over on Facebook, but it's just like, do I even, I just, I kind of gave up on it. I was like, do I even want to bother with this? I dropped ship timeshares. Yeah, Facebook as a whole is just, it's garbage now. Your feed is inundated with accounts that I have no idea who you are. I can care less who you are. Or it's like, Oh, this is something that you might be interested in. It's like, no, I'm not. And I even was late last year. I spent the time going through my feed and going like, not interested, not interested, not interested on all the garbage. I'm like, I'm spending 30 minutes going through this crap. I'm going through a landfill to tell me, Hey, don't, don't give me this. And it only lasts a couple of days at most until more garbage shows up. I'm like, this is ridiculous. I can't do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. So that's why I kind of gave up on Facebook. I'm more on Macedon, blue sky and threads. And that's, that's all the social networking I ever will need. Yeah. It's the algorithm approach. And even on threads now I'm just like, Oh my God, I'm getting, get this. When they started putting ads, uh, let's see if I get it here. I'm getting a lot of lingerie ads. I'm like, okay. Yeah. Definitely marketing to the right people. Like this one, this sponsored post is, um, uh, say goodbye to unwanted body hair for good. Lumie is a number one at home solution that permanently stops growth. And basically it's a video of a woman giving herself a bikini, uh, shaving her bikini line. Very interested in this. Facebook's mistake was not keeping the gaming under mixer. As I think that it could have topped Twitch user wise. Yeah, it was more adult play. Yeah, and that's the thing, Microsoft kind of instead, they didn't sell it. They just gave it away to it. Install Ublock. Well, Walgen, I wish I could, but I probably could, but, excuse me, threads on iOS, I don't really have that capability for it. I'm gonna try and find another sponsored. Yeah, here's another one. I don't even know what this is supposed to be. It's Pinky Sir on Doors. Every window created by Pinky's studio is produced with singular care and focus. Explore our collection today. Okay. And it's basically this, that's the ad. This is the safe for work ad. I'm not gonna show you the other one. As that maybe go read all the bad way, yeah. But yeah, when I opened up threads a couple days ago, I was like, oh, it is very beautiful woman in lingerie next standing next to a horse, okay, cool. The ad debt basically, yeah. So even now, sponsored ads on threads, I'm like, it is again, ridiculous. I understand the why, because you need to make money, but again, it falls back to the same question, that same conversation we had earlier, is that there's better ways to do monetization than ads. Ads just completely craps up your service in a way that forces people to do or find things to stop seeing ads or not use the service at all. Yeah, St. Clinton, I'm the same way. Yeah, getting ready to drop at threads. Way too many bots and fake accounts and that too, yeah. It sucks too because you know, threads, yes it's meta, but I was using it more for like just promoting stuff. just like promoting live streams. I just basically just copy and paste the forum threads, the links to that or the links to the articles and blog posts on the main site and post it out on threads. I don't usually do much of interaction on threads because yeah, it's not, I mean, my reach is like 60 people that are following my channel. And I try to, and that's the thing is like, if you don't have a hundred or more, you don't get any analytics really of what your stuff is doing. Because you have to have at least a hundred followers. And I, of course, yeah, horse lingerie. No, it wasn't horse lingerie. It was human lingerie. But it's one of those things where I was like, I'm probably going to drop threads or just to throw, just to keep it. The more and more I think about it, the more I look at it is that threads is the saner version of Twitter that it is currently. So that's how I'm going to probably look at it going forward and just post, you know, just do promotion and not really do any kind of interaction, if at all on it. I just do more on Blue Sky and Mastodon. 'Cause that's more, I get more interactions on those two platforms than I did on threads. And thank you Flux and CPVR for, you know, and then you too, St. Clinton, for boosting, or was it, boosting the threads. But I'm not really gonna pay too much attention all that often all that much anymore yeah what's up dearie sorry I don't want dearie Arno checks a lot I'm sorry for butchering your name how are you doing how you doing welcome on in but yeah um that also looks into the platforms I stream to now. I've added kick into the mix just the past like couple weeks or for past couple streams. This is called me deer and I'm doing good. Awesome. From my perspective threads kind of crashed and burned. Yeah, there is so much potential that there's a lot of features that you know, the the fed of the federated option within threads is interesting and could be a lot of different things. I know a lot of people do not like threads having any way shape or form or touching the Fediverse at all and I understand that is yeah that is your prerogative and perfectly fine but yeah it's actually a good thing but okay I can see your point of view as well. Actually finding myself using the Fediverse more and more I enjoy Blue Sky and Spoutable as that is where I get the most interactions but Blue Sky is my number one at the moment. Yeah I'd same it's kind of like it's 50/50 between Masterjohn and Blue Sky for me and I know I gotta get I have to be more chatty on both those platforms I I gotta do a better job for that. Um, I gotta... That's just one of my hangups. Is that I don't self-promote myself. For some weird, strange reason. I feel... I feel icky. Is a term. Doing self-promotion. Hey, no scratching. No scratching on the bed. But, yeah, Blue Sky and Massadown I have better reach and better interaction with. It was great too because I got added into a starter pack. What was it like earlier last year? And that helped boost my numbers up greatly. I really disliked how people went after Gargan for thinking about interoperable with threads. Yeah, that's the thing is like, you want to reach, you want to have, sorry, get more interaction with the normies, but you wanna have this as like an exclusive club. We don't want those normies here. We don't want those type of people that are on meta. Oh, I'm sorry. Should I not be streaming on YouTube? Then talking about, you know, own cast and pure tube and Fediver stuff. I can do it solely just on own cast, but it's like preaching to the choir. And it's kind of like, you're not gonna get any kind of, I don't want this to be taken the wrong way. Open source people are very hyper focused and hyper critical of anything. They're kind of like the thing that this is our thing and we do not want it to be tainted by the likes of meta or normies or anything like that. Then okay, well guess what? you have less people knowing about your widget or whatever you want, the open source thing. So what's gonna happen is that when you start losing interest in it, there's not more people to take your place. It's just gonna die and wither away. And that's the unfortunate thing with a lot of open source stuff. Yeah, it's like people really missed the point of social media and the activity pub protocol. Precisely, thank you. (laughs) Some people think that threads interoperability will cause activity pub to grow. Others think that threads is trying to hoover up, embrace, extend, extinguish Mastodon users. And that's the thing, is I understand the people's point of views for if they're running their own instance, let's say for Mastodon, and saying we're gonna block any and every instance that is connected to threads. That's perfectly fine. Run your instance however you damn well like. That's the great thing about it. ActivityPub, you can do you. You do you, boo. But when you go after other people, it's like, hey, I want to check out what's at the threads and see what this is all about. When they go after those people, that's where I have a problem. you're just as bad as the people who are on Xthreads and Facebook and stuff like that. I'm all for corporations getting to the Fediverse, then that means more resources getting dumped into it. Yes, that's the thing. It doesn't necessarily mean more resources getting dumped into it, but this is more about the Fediverse getting into corporate infrastructure. No, it's still gonna be its own thing. It's just that when I think people, like you said, People would are afraid that the mere fact of meta having a sorry for the pun, a thread into the Fediverse that what's going to happen is that they're going to suck up all the information and use it for AI, use it for their own corporate means. I'm not saying that is true or not.

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I

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can say yes by their past actions and how they're going about things. Yes, that is probably a good way of thinking that they probably will do that. But it gives from a creator point of view, it creates another pun intended thread into the world of the normal audience. Say, hey, when I'm looking at my threads account, What is this activity pub or this federation thing that is in my options? What is this about? Oh, Mastodon, oh, this is another social network. I can talk to more people. Cool, I'm interested. But it's just the gatekeeping factor of a lot of the open source people where it's like, we don't want anything to do with you normal people. Go away, we don't want you here. And that's the fact is that that's gonna be a detriment way of thinking of how people look at Mastodon currently. They say, oh, it's already, you see it already. It's a, they say, oh, it's Mastodon is very clicky. These people are unhinged. I don't want anything to do with that. And it gives a, sets up a bad example to other people. And they will talk about that to their friends. and it's just, you know, it's a snowballs

Speaker 4
into that.

Speaker 1
But this is more about, I read

Speaker 4
that, yeah.

Speaker 1
Also finding myself drifting away from Instagram and more towards Pixel Fed. Yeah, I have a Pixel Fed account. I tried Instagram with the reels. I found out quickly all the stuff I posted up into my Instagram also got fed into my personal Facebook account. I'm like, oh, okay. I'm like, I did not think I had that connected, but cool. Damn, still alive. Yes, I'm still alive, Fox. I'd go for at least, at least for two hours. I know, no, you're absolutely correct. Sometimes I would do these for about an hour and then go out from there. But yeah, I'm trying to get two hours. You know, I have a lot of things to catch up on. (chuckles) And that's the thing, it's like, we'll talk about one thing and get sidetracked into another. That's the perfect spot of going, you know, we'll do this thing this this way and continue on with the train wrecks or train derailments. What I found funny are the number of influencers went to blue sky and Macedon then ran back to Twitter when that's all when they saw that didn't have the same number of followers. Yeah. And I'm not gonna go I I despise Twitter. Sure is an absolute, not dumpster fire. It is a, oh my God, I'm blinking. On the term, garbage, landfill fire. Wow. Still alive, old man? Wow. Yes. Give me one second. Somebody wants out. Be right back. No, it's not a bathroom break. Somebody just wanted out. by someone I mean the cat Ad break. Yeah, you get an ad break twitch Here's your three minutes Exited Twitter about a month before must firmly took over. Yeah, I did too back in I was a 2022 It was like around November. I Was like, yeah, I'm I'm done Goodbye, and that's when I was dabbling in moose massive moose stood on massed on for like a couple of years before then. I wasn't really active in it than I am now. Yeah, it wasn't too hard to jump for me.

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Yeah,

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I was the same way. But yeah, for the people who are going back to Twitter, this is because they weren't cultivating their content on Blue Sky or Mastodon. They weren't trying hard enough. They were so comfortable with the algorithm the algorithm wanted them to see. Wow, that was a hard sentence to get through. So that's why they went back to Twitter. Twitter, yeah, Fox, was it you Fox that said a tire fire? No, it was Solid.

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It was more

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than a tire fire, it was an entire landfill filled with tires. But then the server was on, Macedon.tech, shut down because of admin burnout. So I jumped to self-hosted. I didn't, I started, I forget what was my first instance. I wasn't on one of the big ones, like, you know, mastodon.social, it was a smaller one. Then I started up another one on another server. And I was like, well, let me try self-hosting. What I mean by self-hosting, I pay Masto hosts to run my, my instance. So yes, you need to patch owncast 2.3 is out. Fox, get on this. Algorithm gave the established players direct access to millions of users. Mastodon by design lacks that. So a lot of yeah, Twitter famous people left for that reason through a few have stuck behind. Yeah, because a lot of people, they built their brand on what was fed to them. And they, they didn't want to go through the hassle of actually actively trying to find other people to follow. Get on Vim? No, never. Never. You can't make me, you're not my dad. Yeah. So a lot of people went back to Twitter. I, I don't, I don't miss it at all. Um, I only miss the certain, uh, accounts. Um, there's still a lot of the game studios, uh, mostly talking about like it's a mini indie game developers and studios are still on Twitter, but a lot of them have moved over to blue sky. They have found their home on blue sky and that's great, but. So do my two-tone waffle. Yeah. Um, but a lot of them still hang out and still view Twitter as an, uh, active, useful resource for whatever. Okay. Have fun. But yeah, Twitter again is not

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good.

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Uh, that's all I really got to say about that. It's, it's not a great place. Password is one, two, three, four. Oh crap. I wasn't supposed to say that out loud. Damn it, let me change it real quick. But yeah, my, yeah, I'm, like I said, I'm gonna continue to have the three platforms that I'll be on, but threads is more where I was just gonna be posting content and not really get any, you know, interactions. It's gonna be mostly on Blue Sky and Mastodon. That's what I'm gonna go with. Yeah, Twitter is not good. Two-toned waffle. Gonna put that on a t-shirt. (laughs) And I usually call it ex-Twitter 'cause the Twitter that we all grew up with is dead. Whatever this abomination is now is not the same. And I'll tell you, not firsthand account, but what happens is that basically with like the blue check mark tier pay tier. A lot of garbage gets shoved up as for like replies, all the blue check mark bots and all those accounts. And you don't have organic conversations anymore on that platform. One thing I enjoy about Blue Sky and Master Dawn is that businesses haven't figured out how to really invade it like it has on Twitter, Facebook and elsewhere. Yeah, shitter,

Speaker 4
yeah.

Speaker 1
(laughs) Well, it is from the offset. Oh, you didn't grow up with it? Oh, you were deprived as a child, Fox. (laughs) Reborn into it, grown inside of the darkness of Twitter. What I do like about Blue Sky is that with the validation or a verification with using your domain name. That was a great thing. That was a great option. And I use that too. I do see news reporting content creators still show tweets. Yeah. Again, because everybody is so, they're ingrained in thinking that Twitter is this place that you need to be on in order to promote yourself and get any kind of influence. And when there are other platforms that are better and you get more granular controls. But yeah, especially for Fox, they'll never know about the dark side of the Vimforce that's on Twitter. I hear it's, they have cookies, unnatural cookies over there. But I do wanna talk about, I don't know for anybody else who is a content creator that might be using CapCut, You might have been made aware that they have changed their terms of service. Not for the better, but for the worse. So let's talk about CapCut really. This video from Dean Nimmin. I'll have the links of these videos in the description so you can look at the videos themselves. Uh, this one, uh, from Dean Nimmin, uh, if you don't know who Dean Nimmin is the brother of, uh, what's his name? God, the brother, not Mark, but the other, they're twins. Anyways, the Nimmin, the Nimmin brothers. I'll just play this here real quick. Uh, he was looking at a, uh, like a summary that a lawyer had looked into, uh, the changes, the terms of If you don't know what CapCut is, basically it is a quick and dirty service to create short form content that you can post out to YouTube shorts, TikTok, wherever else. But their terms of service, how they've gone about it is I'll let him go through it real quick. - Okay.

Speaker 5
- Boak Law, pronounce that correctly. I'm gonna put a link to this page down below. They have a phone number that you can call them or you can book a consultation if you have further questions. Again, I don't know.

Speaker 1
So let's just

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go ahead and dive

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into that. So what did CapCut change in its 2025 terms of service? And it goes on and on and on here, effective on June 12th. Quick summary, it's what you're here for. As of June 12th, 2025, when you use CapCut, you still own your content, but CapCut gets royalty-free worldwide perpetual license. They can modify, publish, monetize, and resell. you waive personal rights like approval. The license is irrevocable and sub-licensable. So what rights does CapCut?

Speaker 1
- That right there is basically CapCut is anything that you upload to CapCut, they have full and utter control and rights to your content in perpetuity. I know I said that wrong, but forever pretty much. They can, next section here is basically They can use, modify and distribute your content anywhere. They can create and publish a derivative of it. They can monetize your stuff without notifying you or compensating you. Or, and they can also send your stuff out to a third party and you have no rights. You cannot call back that content. It's basically, if you give CapCut anything, they will take your stuff and use it however they feel like it in any way, shape or form. And you really have no ways to, like I said, claw back or say, "Hey, give me compensation." Or, "Hey, give me credit for it." They'll say, "No, we'll do whatever we want with it." And it's very, a lot of places, a lot of services and platforms really have these kind of terms of service that a lot of people really don't really understand what they're giving up with their content. And I know YouTube has that as well that they really haven't done it in a way that CapCut has pretty much egregiously set themselves up for this. That you You can't sue them. They have full rights to use your stuff, whatever. But the worst part is that you don't have any way of saying don't do this if they decide to, let's say if they give it to a third party and that third party had put, reworked your or short form content, your video, in a way to make you look like you are endorsing, let's say like racist propaganda or something that is completely not you at all. You can't do anything about it. You would lose every part of your brand, your likeness, your name, everything. you would have to be pretty much like say, you, again, you can't sue them because you can't do anything. So it's very dangerous to what these terms of service that a lot of people, and I have to include myself into this mix as well. I don't really read this as much as I should have. Yeah, it sounds like one should watermark their stuff before uploading to them, even if you did. What you have, what they have, What you give them is theirs to do with whatever they want with it. There was a small app I was using and I point out that their anti-bot policy gave them access to phone data and personal data and got blocked from the platform. Yeah, and they don't want, they don't want you to know that. And if you try telling people, oh, no, that's bad. You can't do that.

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- Claim over my content. CapCut's updated terms of service allows them to use, modify, and distribute your media, create and publish derivative works, monetize your content without notifying or paying you, or sub-license your content to third parties like ad platforms. Does CapCut own my videos?

Speaker 1
No, you retain. - And that's the thing, you still retain your content, but you don't have the ability to pull back and say, "You cannot use my content anymore. You're violating what I want, the spirit and the way I want my content to be presented to the world. You don't have that capability. Yeah, if you watermark it, they would own it. Yeah. And like I said, anything you give them is theirs to do whatever they want to do with it.

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- In copyright ownership of your videos. However, by uploading or editing in CapCut, you automatically grant them a perpetual license to use it. however they want, worldwide and royalty-free. Can CapCut sell my content without telling me? Yes, yes they can. CapCut and its affiliates can do that. They can use your content in ads, promos, or sponsored posts. They can sell or republish your media on third-party platforms, and they can do all of this without notifying, crediting, or compensating you. How long does a CapCut license last?

Speaker 1
- Ah, dang it. But yeah, that's the thing. You're asking a very good question. Well, what does owning a video mean if you're letting these people have every right they want to it? Is because when you upload your content onto their service, you are giving them the right in order to go through your content, your video, choosing or finding or using AI to find different moments within your video to make a short form video and also transcribing it so they can use, you can put in the captions, the background removal stuff that usually you'll see on a lot of short form videos. You're giving them access to your video in order for them to do that. So in terms of service, again, I'm not a lawyer, so take that with a grain of salt. So with that, by using their service, you're giving them rights to your content. And again, like I said, a lot of these, what you're hearing and seeing is that this is kind of like a boilerplate terms of service for a lot of platforms. Canva is very similar to this. I would mean, what does it say? I would mean owning in a sense that they can do anything they want to it, but I guess you can sue other people upload your video without permission or violate the copyright. That's the thing. I think you get into this as well.

Speaker 5
- I editors with creator first terms of service like DaVinci Resolve, VN or CapCut alternative. Now I'll say Daniel Battelle, I'm gonna put his link.

Speaker 1
- There's a very good part about this and reference to musicians.

Speaker 5
- I also have a video on

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VN.

Speaker 5
I'll be making more videos on that in the future as well as other CapCut.

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talks about...

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I'm

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trying to get into the music where... very good point about the copyright. Where if you are a signed artist to like a label, or if you have something, a contract with something else. And if CapCut uses your material in a way that breaks copyright with their terms of service, they are not the ones that will get in trouble. You would. I know.

Speaker 5
something that's a copyright issue. What? They have legal problems because of it. You,

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I think this, use

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or you if archived license later, you may be held liable for claims from rights holders with no protection from CapCut. Now this part is crazy. This means that if CapCut uses your content after you've agreed to these terms and they have a problem, let's say you that you're not allowed to use or you used a clip from a

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movie

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or a TV show or something that a copyright issue.

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Yeah,

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they have legal problems because of it. You are in the legal hot seat. You were legally responsible for whatever happens to them. They Yeah,

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so let's say if you're a creator that quick and dirty is to say if I use a music, a song from epidemic sound, that I have a contract that I can use in my content through my means but CapCut does not have that legality of using that particular song from Epidemic Sound. Epidemic Sound cannot go after... I know this is weird. They cannot go after CapCut. They will go after you because you allowed CapCut access to that song. Exactly. We can't be sued for violating copyright. Yeah. TOS. Exactly. It's weird. It's just, it's the legality to copyright everything. It's so confusing. I had to find A very good video. She is a lawyer for music and she does a lot of music copyright. What's her video? So I can give you guys. Yeah, let me give you guys a link to this. She's pretty good because she's the actual lawyer going over this whole process. And that's the video. But she'll go through and she's from a musician's side of things. But this whole, I can see there's a lot of content creators talking about this as well. Because the changes that were made to terms of service on top of other things that were part of CapCut. like Dee had talked about earlier in a video where he used the service and it was okay because at $10 a month, it's something that he can use, you know, quick, dirty ways of getting short form content out with the captions on it in a very eye-catching way. But the course with CapCut is owned by ByteDance, which is the parent company of TikTok. So when TikTok was banned for for what, 16 hours, CapCut decided to also be part of that ban and had blocked access or shut down for those particular days or weeks until everything started going back and be available again. Problem is after that, they bumped up the service fee to like $20 a month. for his experience, he said that it was, that when he went into his account, he was no longer a paid customer. They had changed, they had stopped or turned off his account so he was no longer paid, he was on the free. And that whole shadiness of everything, plus on top of this new change. So it's quickly becoming apparent that CapCut is this shady company that I really don't want to, you know, deal with. Unless you wanna go through this, no problem. And that's okay, that's your decision. Like you did host copyright content that you could compile to take

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it down.

Speaker 1
Yeah, in that aspect, but again, you would have to tell CapCut, but then they put the onus back on you. It's like, we have no problems using your content. But even then, you can't tell us what to do with your content. And that's the crazy thing about it, that you don't have the legal ability to go through this. But again, I can see that these terms of service can be probably fought in court, but then it'd have to be someone that has the monetary backing in order to go through the whole process. And it's gonna be a very expensive process because you're going against a company, ByteDance, that has billions and like almost Disney level lawyers on retainer that you're gonna be fighting against. So it's one of those things that do you actually want to go through this whole process and burn through a whole lot of money to do it? like I said it's gonna take a it's take a like a mr. beast type of person someone who has the financial backing in order to fight this it's it's it's a slippery slope and it's you know and a lot of places are either gonna be actively moving in this direction because they see that CapCut can get away with it and And are you going to see places like Nexus Clips or other services like, you know, Nexus or Opus Clips or many other these AI short form video generators going to do. They are going to be adding these into their TOS. So it's interesting to see and how it's going to be coming up in the next couple of years. I guess it's more like your own, your own, if you violate copyright. Yeah, it's confusing. And it's gonna take a lawyer to process this really, because lawyers speak, I have no idea what they're talking about. I don't know what you're speaking. And it's not good. Oh, you're on your own. Yeah, that's what you meant. You're on your own if you violate copyright.

Speaker 4
Yeah.

Speaker 1
Yeah, cause you should have known better. You should not have uploaded that particular piece of work to this service. Cause you didn't have the, you don't have the permission to do that. And it's also going to be very troublesome too for a lot of people, freelancers, or they have a lot of client work that, or editors that do this from their clients. But their clients might have full permission from like movie studios to have a trailer that they're talking about. 'Cause we see it all the time on YouTube. If you show a movie trailer, the like Sony or MGM, MGM, is MGM still around? Anyways, DreamWorks or something like that can copyright or copy strike your YouTube video because you did not have permission to show their ad for the movie. You're promoting their promotion of a movie but you didn't have, I know it's weird. It all makes sense. Like don't show my ad for this movie. Only I can do that and get the word out. Yeah. Oh yeah. I yeah. MGM's owned by Amazon. Stargate. Yeah. Rip. Oh, I know. And now, uh, James Bond, James Bond, the broccoli family let us down. They were the last bastion of hope in being the stewards of James Bond movies. Not anymore. has full Amazon so now we're probably going to get another movie with a spin-off series on Amazon Prime with some other crap that Amazon can easily get produced through a factory and Timo or Timo it so it sucks I have and I have all 10 seasons of Stargate SG1 the DVDs I own my physical copies not Atlantis or SGU, but eventually I will. I'm in the process of actually ripping and putting them on my Plex server. So there is that. How's it going there? Peaceful Darwin. Darwin is always peaceful. All right. So I'm going to go ahead and start wrapping things up here. If you haven't already, I have one and a, but not you. Oh, SG1 Atlantis and Universe. Yeah. I'm like, what is this? Yeah, you're right. SGU never got a real ending. It is that. And you know what? I would love to see what would happen on that five year journey. I was a three or five year journey with Eli and what he would have to go through. In a moment that changed Bond into an American, that would be the end of the series for me. I hope they continue. So far, they're, what was it, Tom Holland that they were looking at. I saw rumors of that. Like, okay, if you want to go younger, but okay. But if you haven't already, you can join our forums that you can the link all my links. Really, if you go to two tone waffle dot me, I have all my links to the main site where I post up blog posts and articles and stuff like that. Our forums have forums that two tone waffle dot com my own cast, my peer tube instance, that is two time waffle dot. Oh god I forgot my own links. I feel bad. This is embarrassing. That tube. That's the two time waffle.tv. Wow. So all my, my videos I'm going to be doing be and to know what's going on definitely check all those out and tonight's episode of last stream tonight is actually I'm gonna get it transcribed and put into a newsletter that I send out weekly or will be sending out weekly once I get better at that basically it's just a rundown of what we talked about tonight that is sent out an email and that you can see on two-tonedwaffle.com completely for free. All this is for the low low cost of $0. But thank you for everybody coming out tonight and hopefully you had a good time. The discussions were lively, very interesting. Open up different avenues of topics for next week. So we'll see what next week has in store for us. Is there going to be something exciting and new or something hellish that is going to be unleashing on us. I don't know. I won't know until the weekend. Yeah Too much zero dollars. I'm sorry, but you know what I can get you on a Payment per monthly plan is only zero dot zero zero Dollars per month for the next six months You want to pay Nick you want me to pay you now That'd be today when I'm actually using them And good luck with that Fox Alright, so again, thank you for guys for everyone, all of you coming out here for the follows and the discussions and all that sort of stuff. It's been fun. But with that, it is time for the ending of the stream and I'll see you next. There won't be wait, there will be a two first two hours this coming Tuesday because they're leaving Tuesday. They're being picked up Tuesday afternoon. So I'll let you know on all the socials and stuff like that. But you're charging my hundred thousand per second. Not at all. So with that, have a good night and

Speaker 4
later taters.