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This team-up was something to sneeze at in JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 36 & 37
Pat and Matt watching anime two episodes a week until the sun goes dark.
Yeah, yeah, mm.
Welcome to the Anime Book Club an Anime podcast.
Today.
We are discussing Jojo's bizarre adventure episode.
Oh, the Stardust Crusaders, episodes.
36 37.
I have, I have my stuff together.
I'm your host, Pat, joined by matt matt.
How's it going?
It's all right.
A little loopy today.
This is if you somehow, this is your first impression, please try one of the other ones.
Um, but if you're sticking with us, this is an animate podcast.
We do a serving size of anime a week.
Sometimes that's two episodes, sometimes that's three and we talk about the play by play style.
Um, you sound like you're very confident in this episode right now.
I'm very confident in the fact that I watched two episodes of jo jo and this was the most taffy pull two episodes I've ever seen.
That's a good description for it.
Yeah, it's like, um, I made a comment before we started this and I'm like, I don't know how long this week's episode is gonna be.
Maybe we can do more stuff after I've done because I don't see it lasted that long.
Oh my God, like like these are like Two episodes together.
It would be like 15 minutes of her life.
Yeah, it just felt like 15.
Like it was just a lot of like, like as I was taking notes, I I realized I wasn't writing a lot.
Like we've had, I think two episodes at least two groups episodes in the past we've hated.
Yeah, they were just bad.
These weren't bad.
They're just what happened.
Yeah, they're real.
I'm not quite sure what's going on with it, but yeah, it's it's weird but let's just jump into these things and we'll see how quick this episode it goes.
Uh episode uh 36 Hole Horse and bongo bongo.
Part one data depending on what translation you're watching.
Orman Donna, but he keeps saying Boeing go, are you doing the dub are just I know I'm watching the subtitles.
Um uh the subtitles for netflix are basically the close captioning.
Okay.
I was really, I was starting to get curious, I wanted to go check the wc what they call them in that one.
I would have to be Madonna or whatever.
I think what they still be hitting the legal issues.
Yeah, I guess so.
But yeah, only Only Good Boy and go.
But yeah, so uh I mean, I hate to be mean, but that that that episode title basically handles this entire two episodes for us.
We're done for, huh?
Um But yeah, the episode opens, we actually have a pretty extensive and um pretty pretty long intro sequence, Whole horses wandering around a dark house.
Um But she kind of winds about being dark even though it's the middle of the day and it turns out that this is Dios House.
I wasn't expecting him to be a Dios house, you know, you know steals a vampire, right, There's a lot where I'm like just this how much whole horse knows and how much he understands.
Um, is a big question.
I walk away from this episode because he stumbles upon a bunch of dios leftovers.
Yes, he found his leftovers, which in, in a very humorous manner.
Uh, we find a bunch of people that just laying on the ground.
They've been drank, they've been just blood sucked because he is a vampire, but he leaves them on a pile of gold and paintings and treacherous deals revealed like a rock star.
Apparently.
Exactly.
I leave all of my body's are the gold.
I don't know if he has people to take them away.
I don't know where he's getting all this gold.
Um, but yet again, this feeds into the, I love how opulent and stupid video is and it's great.
How long has he been out of the casket at this point?
Like while right, I assumed three years.
Only three years.
Yeah.
It's been so long since we had the revelation.
I started to assume it was like at least decades.
I thought it was because it's when everyone's, it's when the joe starr stands activated three years ago.
So I assumed that he had been out before the stands activated.
He came to that later and I think it's when he got out and he was like, hey, I got stands now.
This body, this body of mine, which I came by.
Honestly, actually, I love the injury.
The injury might be my favorite part of these two episodes.
It's it's a great thing.
I know as much as we're being silly, we have a great bit where like whole horse walks around, he finally sees de o who may or may not be floating or or just ladder I think okay, I couldn't tell if he was on a ladder hanging off a shelf um like it looked like he was floating at first, but then you got like a pull back and it looked like he was on like a ladder when you climb up a big bookshelf.
Yeah, he's on like a Beauty and the Beast library um just reading a book um which you know what, don't fact check me on this one, but I'm pretty sure this sequence was one that caused trouble for the manga, the american release because he was reading a Koran and um even though he's just reading a crime because that's where he's at and he's just checking it out.
That became a point of where they ended up having to reprint and remove that.
Uh huh.
Um I have vague memories of that, a scandal from 13 years ago anyway, whole horse cdo kind of freaks out for a second um and then has the worst inner monologue of all timer goes like I know I'm freaking out but it was only slightly stronger than me, He's got such, you have to admire whole horses self of self respect.
Yeah, but here's the other question, he was part of Dios first crew.
Not the Gods, the tarot crew.
And he still he still worked for D.
O.
Even though he thought deal was only slightly better or did he offer D.
O.
Money?
Is this is he one of the money guys?
Maybe he was one of the money guys.
I think he was a money guy.
But uh it sounds like he's doing the strength and because he says like in the scene even I think later on that element follow Dios because Deal was stronger than him.
Yeah but slightly like it only picks the sides of the people who are stronger.
Yeah.
You see the $100 million dollar guy, maybe he's not remember one of them was offered?
No that was yellow temperance.
Yes a lot of this is getting slushy at this point.
I know at this point it's been it's been a wild ride.
Anyway um uh the whole horse has that really weird power scaling question in his head and then it looks like he's just the messenger.
He's like hey Dios.
So uh you know all the utero people are gone and uh you got three gods left and look at rough L.
A.
They're here, they're here, they're here in Cairo they were in Cairo last episode weren't they?
We misread that within a different Egyptian city.
Well I think they've been in Cairo it is this is we don't know how time works.
Okay.
That's right.
I would say it's like who knows how long these conversations have been going?
How long did the Darby fight last?
That was two episodes.
But that couldn't have been more than four minutes.
It was a great four minutes.
But like think about that.
You got a point and time the anime time.
But yeah, anyway, he sees the Messenger which uh at first it looks like D.
O.
Is going to kill the messenger, but instead he is like well what are you going to do about it?
Which is a great, like I know what you are, but what am I where?
It's like sure all my people are dead, but aren't you gonna go get them?
Very and uh he then does a weird thing at first I thought he disapproved the whole horses smoking.
But we get this crazy explanation where he burns the fingertips like joe burns his fingertips on the tips of uh on the with the with horses cigarette and it shows that the left hand heal slower than the other.
And he explains that the joke, joseph or Jonathan joe starr's body.
Um he's slowly replacing and integrating it, but the left side of the body is the weaker side of the body.
The body isn't fully his yet.
Exactly, which is why he said like yeah, normally I'd go after these people up but I got half a body, I got this half half deal.
I'm not going to fight him with this kind of handicap.
Um which you know what, that's a neat pop point.
I kind of think that's neat.
Um which makes me wonder, I guess there had to have been like a wiggle your big toe part of us.
Yeah, we got like an explanation of why deal hasn't just done this himself by this point and keep sending out numerous assassins to fail.
Yeah, I created to crack team of assassins because my left side is slightly less in sync, It still heels, it's just slightly slower.
Um But yeah, he just wants to wait till that all works itself out.
Horse horse like freaks out about hearing this and then he's like, well, you know what, I should just shoot video.
He there's like more thought process to that, but he's like, yeah, it'll be easier if I shoot this guy in the head and then I could just take his money and everything will be great.
And I thought it was really funny in my notes, I wrote that instead of calling a master D oh right before he tries to blow Dios brains out, he calls him mr D.
Oh, oh, I didn't even notice he says Dios son and he says Mr Deleo, which I think is funny and again, this is about great part for your whole horse's personality because he just thinks he can do it.
Yeah, it's like, well I got a gun, it's a good reminder that that's his power.
It's like I can summon a magic gun and his back is turned to me.
I could just shoot this guy, which I think the whole, I don't know if like maybe Iraqi like regretted having a dude with a gun power because these hold two episodes seem to be about like, well, no, you can't use a gun.
Oh, The introduction of video as a vampire was him getting shot by a lot more than one gun.
That is a very good point.
That is a very good point.
But yet again, what, what whole horse knows and what he may understand two very different things.
Uh we got a great moment where when it looks like he's gonna do is basically come on, idiot, pulled the trigger and then he disappears and reappears behind old horse and your horse, Like he starts sweating an unhealthy amount of sweat.
Like his, like the sprinklers are on man, very classic like money, I think.
Personal kid moment.
Yeah, it's like uh um and then I wrote in my notes, there's like a ton of spider webs in this room.
Like I know this is Dios, like vampire man cave.
But dude, that's a lot of spider webs, like big ones too.
He likes the spiders, he makes them into human hybrids.
I need to spite my spite of reading room.
Oh, it's like reading charlotte's web.
I don't know, that's not how this works.
She never taught people how to read.
But anyway, um he he basically seek the deal apparently has the ability to either move super fast or could teleport whole horses like oh my God, he's so strong.
I now pledge allegiance to the man I've already been working for and we cut to the intro and do you respect him for it too?
I like that moment to it was like, you know, you're like, he was like you're sucking idiot.
But in that moment when you were about to kill me, there was no hesitation in you man, you were gonna do it.
Yeah.
Like praises him for two.
It's like that's why I'm hiring you.
That's why I like you now go kill the dough starts before I kill you.
Yeah, congratulations.
Instead of me murdering you.
You now have to take out the main characters.
Good luck.
Good luck.
Reminded me of how much I wish deal was a bigger part of this season.
Yeah.
No it's great because remember we used to have D.
O.
Check ins like it would be him and the old lady and and those would be those would be some of the best parts of the early episodes.
Is it be him like looking at the mirror being like lady, what is the concept of pain?
And she'd be like it is this master D.
O.
You have like his word a day calendar bullshit.
It's great uh that we get reminded that there's actually a reason we want him dead because he's drinking a bunch of innocent people.
Oh yeah, tons of innocent people apparently by their own will I guess because he just talks that nicely or flesh buds.
I mean, no, he's the most charismatic preacher.
They don't act like he's using flesh buds on the food though.
I don't know if they've forgotten that flesh buds are a thing though.
Like that kind of feels like like at a certain point.
Well, so the whole the funny debate of like he's the most charismatic creature known to man.
But also he has got, you know, the ability to take over people's brains is the mule before they actually was this written after foundation?
This is definitely after foundation eighties.
Yeah.
Uh, he's, you know, I'm just, if I were a vampire, I probably wouldn't want to put something gross and wiggling in the food first.
Mm uh Good times, Good times.
But yeah, I don't know.
Maybe he could just convince his people so does what he does to me man.
Exactly.
Look at the maps.
Um, but yeah, so that's the intro place and now let's uh we're gonna blow through a lot of this stuff.
I feel like what even happened.
I can't honestly remember why do this episode ended because of oh where it is.
Yeah.
So anyway, we cut back a whole horse because he's not a joe starr is allowed to fly an airplane and quickly gets to wait a minute.
Wasn't he in Cairo?
Why did he fly to Cairo?
That's what I'm saying.
This is confusing.
Right?
Wait what?
Because wait no, he tells Geo that they're there or maybe that was a flashback is he said it was after that they had just killed lessee.
Then he would still be in Cairo that he did what he was out of Cairo and then fly back.
Did he fly to?
Right?
I know we do that weird thing where we try not to.
I know what he did.
He left Cairo to go pick up monday to.
Yeah, I feel like that's what it is.
He had to leave to find someone to leech off of.
Yeah, because he doesn't.
Yeah.
Okay, look at that.
We figured it out.
We grew anyway, he's back in Cairo.
He has left and returned to Cairo.
Could have padded this episode out without the exposition rather than what we got.
But Okay.
Yeah exactly.
Anyway, there's, I like the music in this sequence.
There is like a kind of faux western music.
Hell horses walking around he's got a suitcase or a case of some kind.
He tries to get in a cab to people try to take it whole horse quickly blows the year off of one of those dudes and then hops into the cab.
I forgot until I think the second episode that no one else can see his gun.
Oh my God you're right.
That didn't click with me.
Like he just like held his hand up in that guy's ear exploded.
Holy moly Well people can see Blanco's comic book but can they read it?
Know that guy was able to read it?
They saw the boat still stood in solemn vote.
Anyway.
Um he's at the back of that taxicab.
There's a great weird thing where he like holds his hair, He's like, I'm going to open the suitcase.
He says that to the suitcase.
Um and then the taxi driver, like you're talking to me, he's like, no, I'm not talking to you.
He opens it, you dummy, why wouldn't be talking to you one star at its at its point go boy goes in there.
The kid, the fortune teller kid with the manga.
We're giving a lot of quick exposition.
Uh it's important to note that boko is both tied up and has like duct tape on his mouth and his bit inside of the suitcase.
His marge Simpson hair fits inside of the suitcase, which is, it feels a little creepy that here actually straight up kidnapped a kid like that.
Yeah, from the hospital, like from the, I assumed you know, it's gonna be like a willing team up.
No, it kind of puts a tower on the relationship exactly from the start.
But he basically a whole horse explains to the kid, it's like, hey, your older brother who messed up is gonna be the hospital for because he was exploded in the hospital for a month longer than you, you were just beaten, you weren't exploded.
So you and I are going to have to combine our powers dig up that joe stars.
Um he pulls the duct tape off of the boy and it turns out the boy had been air sick this whole time and had amazing control and then there's a puke joke, he pukes for an extended period of time on whole horse.
Like a lot of puke is that like an actual thing you can die from if you need to like vomit and your mouth is stopped.
Yeah, because I don't think if your mouth has stopped, like wouldn't block the air flow of the nose, like I think something I thought I remember that being a lethal situation Yeah, because people, people choke on puke all the time.
Yeah, well I don't, I don't, I don't, here's thing, I bet they didn't think of that.
I wanted an extended poop joke.
My, my favorite thing though is that the taxi drivers like, are you puke it back there?
Yeah, uh you know, in a normal day for him, just a normal day for that poor cabbie, awesomely.
We get another, we, we spent some time in the comic book, we get the great weird free freaky deaky art style and we get a little recap, which is annoying because it recaps everything whole horse already recapped.
Yeah, maybe that's how this time disappear so fast and stuff like that keeps happening.
This horse, everything he described the book describes but from the kids point of view and like the brother is supposed to be dead and they're just kind of like they're not like he isn't, they're doing the manga and manga clearly also says he's not dead but it feels like they're acting like he's dead.
Well he said that he's in traction or whatever for a month.
You feel like he got uh like that dude and the american version of Ultron were like no, he's he's he's recovering.
Oh man, that one takes me back.
But yeah, he's recovering, he's not dead, he's recovering.
But yeah, we get a lot of recapping kind of stuff.
The main thing you need to know is that whole horse discovers in the book that has been foretold that he will kick a lady in the neck with a jump kick and she will give him a necklace which he thinks is ridiculous.
Um I would like to know that when he's like this is this is ridiculous.
That would never happen.
The animation for when the kid goes, my predictions are 100% correct.
I really like it.
They over animate the kid's face, his mouth, his teeth, it's That might be one of my favorite things in these two episodes.
It's just him saying 100%,, I had forgotten that.
His whole thing is that he's actually very shy and nervous too.
Yeah, I thought he was just freaking out because the whole horse for awhile took me a while to remember.
That was actually a thing with him.
Yeah, you're only, you're only cool with your brother.
Um When you get that, I always, I always think this is one of the funniest kind of like false things that someone could say where holes, just like, I'm not going to hit a lady, I'm a bad dude, but I don't know that kind of a bad dude.
I would even take money to hit somebody.
Like I lie to lots of them, but a lie, I'll cheat, I'll steal but hit him, nah, nah.
Um and then he says your prediction is wrong.
However, a second later he books it uh the lady appears, there's a lady and she's got a bodyguard, they walk by and a whole horse like holds his breath and it's like see nothing happened.
And then right after saying that he then runs and does the sick jump kick right into the back of her head.
I do like his hustle.
I like watching whole horse run.
He had no reason to like just gave into the temptation because of the prediction as far as I can tell, I really thought he was gonna slip on a banana peel or something, but the whole thing where he like doesn't even wait a second to be like, oh I gotta do it.
Yeah but then it's revealed that his jump kick while hitting the lady in the back somehow has not hurt her but it's completely crushed the scorpion that had been writing on her shoulder.
So she thinks that he saved her life and the music during the sequence is awesome and amazing.
And he gets a necklace out of it that he then promptly forgets about.
He's super excited.
What does he's picturing when he when he decided to choose this for his team up?
I don't know because he was like we're both cowards guess.
Yeah I don't I don't it was able to team himself up pretty well with the guy who uses mirrors to assassinate people.
Him and jake.
I'll were a great do but who's left?
I guess technically everybody's left but they're all alive.
They're all in various states of disrepair.
And you go get um what's her face who got her teeth knocked out.
She's still shoot.
Yeah.
Uh Midler.
Midler Midler yeah.
Yeah.
MRI is definitely not getting out of her full body cast yet.
Not yet.
But yeah I guess he just he was looking for another coward.
Um I don't know that all things really silly.
Uh fortunately we rejoined the gang who have been busy there.
They have been showing that photo to everybody and they found a builder.
So they're asking a guy builder.
It's like hey you recognize this place is that it's an old building.
They found a useful dude for once.
He's like this could be, you know they're a couple places.
Um and they feel like they're moving in the right direction.
Joseph then calls Japan to get a holly update.
And we are reminded which is basically a meaningless number that they have three days.
Who knows how many episodes that means?
But they have three days to kill D.
O.
I can look it up.
It's like seven.
Well I mean we have 1234567891011 episodes left.
There you go.
There we go.
That's that's what three days is jam packed.
Um Were then given the amazing revelation that whole horse, this man who could just forget Dios magic teleporting powers, whole horse can teleport because he's already found them.
He's around the corner and he's watching them.
Uh He's gone from randomly kicking a lady in a scorpion to, he's already found exactly Cairo where the team is.
Um I guess maybe the market could have told them where they were but it just seems crazy that he's already there.
You don't seem like they're really hiding very much.
Yeah.
There, I mean if you're walking around paul giraffe you're making noise.
You're walking around with just a joke star making noise making noise.
There are noises group altogether.
Yeah.
But yeah he's he's walked into them from around the corner.
Uh It is really?
I love this bit but uh Bangalore Mandia spends the entire rest of the episode hiding under a box like a turtle, Like a little turtle.
Um And yet again, the thing I will not shut up about, I refuse to the Dreamcast fighting game.
You can play this whole horse or you can play this whole horse with bogo.
And what that really means is that the box walks around with them and you get an extra ability really.
Yeah, it's just you see the wooden boxes run back and forth.
That's pretty great as a whole.
So you can play a whole horse by himself, yep.
Oh, that's not believable.
Well, J Kyle is one of his moves.
You lose the jake, I'll moves and you gain bongo moves.
There you go.
That's about to say is that he should always be teamed up with someone.
Yeah, he's a zoning character he shoots and you can you can create shattered glass that have hit someone that then someone's jake.
Yeah, it's a cool game.
Cool game for cool people.
Anyway.
Uh I'm not gonna overly describe this, but the next fortune they need to do is that whole horse needs to stick his fingers into paul giraffe's nose and that is how he can win the fight, which is instantly on board with na we gotta, he's like that, that is I have a gun.
Why don't I use my gun?
And the boys, like the book says you don't use a gun.
So can the entire rest of the episode, isn't it?
It is.
They have some back and forth to talk about faith were given a very important rule about um, both, both.
Both.
What stan does this boy, have you got the name right?
Maybe not the pronunciation, but yeah, tough.
The earth bender.
Um he's he's got that.
He says, hey, if you try to fight fate it will go bad for you and you need to make sure to be, you know, on the side of fate was just when he brought up, his brother got screwed over.
I think that happens in a little bit, but I don't know because I don't know what else to be talking about it.
I don't have that in my notes yet and I would have mentioned it.
But I do that at some point.
They do that in a comical way.
Oh no, that happens later.
Anyway.
Uh they lose track.
They argue so much about fate.
Maybe they talked about it twice.
Anyway.
Um they talked so long that they lose track of the joe stars and like that they're gone.
Like they've walked off, that horse's like, oh no, but before he could continue saying, oh no, paul McGrath has not only found it, but has um silver chariot summoned and his sword, is that hol horse's throat.
So he's caught, he's caught already over.
It should have been horse tries to summon his gun, but because Fate said he can't use his gun, uh silver chariot is easily able to knock him over and hits him in the back and horse vomits blood and then he gets pinned to the wall.
We got a little bit with paul, paul giraffe, like holding whole horses that like got it by the wrist and he's like, the only reason I haven't killed you is like kind of like, it blows out, he's like, you know what, I should kill you.
But because Abdel didn't die by you shooting him, I kind of want Abdel to see you one time and then we'll take care of you, that's not the line, but I can't, I kind of feel like he wants to be like Abdel, look who it is.
I think he says that he says Abdel look over here, you want something like that, but he wants abdel to see him.
Um then we have like a false kind of like tension moment where um whole palm branches like you'd never work alone, palmer half.
Yet again, moments of clarity.
It's like you don't work alone, you're a coward and hol horse's like, oh my God, you can see the boys, you can see Boy goes fingers from underneath the box and the comic book oh no, but paul, no, I was not looking to the ground, he is not looking to the ground, there's a lot of whole horses freaking out saying, no, put your hand in, you put your hand in.
Yeah, they basically have a back and forth, like, like that, both of them talking like boy goes in her monologue and whole horses intermodal, like put your fingers in his nose, put your fingers at his nose playing bigger than it knows.
Um and it basically reaches the point because the, the gang is walking slowly, oh so slowly towards palm Paraffin, hol horse, like taking their sweet as time and um the episode ends with whole horse finally sticking his figures in the polls, giraffe's nose and like nothing immediately happens and pulled her off is like what's going on?
And then it goes to a cliffhanger which isn't too bad on its own, you know, that's pretty funny moment because it's a heck of a cliffhanger because yeah, How is the prediction supposed to happen now?
What?
Yeah, well, I guess the prediction just to be clear because I just kind of skipped over that because I think it doesn't, it says that every one of the, the heroes will get, you know knocked over and be bloodied if, if the horse manages to stick his fingers into paul giraffe's nose, which is really funny steaks.
Yeah, and then that'll be it's time to get them all while they're all down.
Yes, it will be, yes, yes, of course, this is this, but whatever the second or maybe even best best thing ever is we get another one of the singing brother style endings, hol horse and whole horse and bongos sing to each other and it's great.
It's the whole horse bongo copy I guess.
That seems like a weird way to use the word copy.
It's really cool.
He sings about the fact that he has the emperor, which I almost forgot about.
You just get the ship.
Yours was translated.
Yeah, it just doesn't know.
Crunchy roll did not translate the extra.
I had no idea what was going on.
Yeah, he was just thinking about himself.
Okay.
They were, they were, guess what?
It's another flipping recap in this episode of recast but it's saying so it's a little bit better.
I mean it was, I was looking forward to that.
It's it's a lot of fun.
Uh let's just jump into part two because this is gonna go, I have a lot of notes.
I don't know why I have so many notes.
I feel like an idiot for having this many notes, but I feel like we'll blow through it.
We're back to where we were, paul giraffe has all horses figures just jammed right into his nose.
The team is walking over there.
Um it's kind of goofy because like they don't hear paul Naroff called back and they're like why are you calling back?
Like their danger radar, let's get out Abdal.
Jetro joseph's danger radar is shockingly gone.
This episode like horrendously.
So even if it's for comedic effect, what else reminds me the last longer bongo episode though, we're literally one of the but fake joe joe was with him the whole time and they, we're not the least bit suspicious.
Oh yeah, I guess they didn't, they didn't, they didn't make anybody swallows cigarettes this time though.
Um but yeah, basically we got a little quick action scene.
They bless us with a small amount of action.
Uh we're pulling around some and silver chariot and that whole horses able to summon the emperor again and they're kind of a quick little stand still and it looks like they're gonna be at the standstill but the gang finally turns the corner and it's just polygraph polygraph is just like it looked like a doofus leaning against the wall and whole horse is completely gone.
Uh oh it's quickly revealed the whole horses standing behind pulling around and has his gun to his head and then you know what never will be the intro and then we have a dumb scene but we have the intro which still still, I have to say uh totally slaps and is awesome.
Castle Vania magic to this day.
I love it so much.
I love it so much.
Um boy, how do we even describe this thing?
Anyway, paul giraffe has held hostage.
The gang asked him a bunch of stupid, obvious questions and the conversation like he's obviously under duress and they don't notice and it gets so bad that pornographic like looney tunes warps, his tongue into a literal arrow and tries to point in the direction uh have told did not uh polar after not skip tongue day it or not, he can mutate his tongue, it's crazy.
Um It's so funny.
Yeah, so he does that and they're all like what are you being weird about?
And then Abdal, like who usually is a smart character, but is the dumbass of the episode like out loud goes like, oh there must be someone behind you because you're you're signaling with your tongue.
He just slammed his hand, doesn't he slammed his hands on his mouth, like right after that.
Yes, he doesn't stop himself from finishing the sentence, even though all the important bits are clearly out.
Yeah, he's like oh shoot, I've done, oh you were obviously being held hostage.
Oh shoot uh nuts.
But you know what?
It's all worth this because whole horse goes into to do some damage to polygraph, but because paul Durov had figures in his nose, he sneezes and dodges out of the attack, which then reveals whole horse to the group.
And because this episode pads out time, but also you know what?
They did this kind of okay, they do like three slo mo replays of the pole giraffe sneeze dodge, which I think is kind of funny.
It was uh silverchair comes back, he knocks the whole horse to the ground um and it looks like whole whole horses kind of screwed and he's just like, oh no, this the stupid uh, the stupid prima notion, this premonition never gonna happen um in a hilarious turn of fate, that dude who we mentioned really briefly who whole horse shot in the ear, uh notices this guy who has a car.
Now notice this whole horse on the ground is like, I'm gonna run that guy over and in the car, you know, slips well, I guess cars don't slip, but he loses control and crashes at the team.
And then I saw everybody was knocked over.
There is some oil when the, when the whole horse slipped himself trying to shoot the sneezy polygraph.
Yeah, I knocked over a thing with oil and that's what the car lost traction on.
I don't think the oil Yeah, yeah, I guess, but I don't think the oil went out that far enough.
Like there wasn't enough space, right?
Um You wouldn't have thought so, but it clearly slips on the oil.
Like it's yeah, it's straight up in your face.
I guess I should have, you know, instead of me being like, why don't look that makes sense.
I should just be like, here's how it happened.
I'm glad you stated that the oil was there.
So that's what happened because of the figure ups the, the figure up the nose.
The premonition in the comic book has been proved correct in both whole horse becomes a full believer and Diego is overjoyed from inside his box.
Someone believes him indeed.
Um they checked the manga to see like what they could do next instead of just blowing everyone's brains out there.
Like, wait, let's check the manga and the market says like, oh no, joe torre will get up first and it's so funny.
Um he's just like, he's like, wait kid, keep reading the manga, tell me what to do.
We're going to do this thing.
I'm all in.
I'm all in and the magazine tells them this crazy plan where whole horse needs to go bribe a couple of plumbers to open up a pipe and then he needs to shoot a bunch of bullets into a pipe at noon To then kill JO zero.
Um It is a really crazy thing and this leads into, I think maybe the conversation you were thinking of this leads to my favorite little logic exercise, I guess, maybe we want to call this where instead of immediately going to this plant, whole horse grabs the comic and it's like, wait a minute.
And he thumbs back to um the the explosion of his brother and he's like, well your brother followed this thing to the letter and he and he uh he got blown up.
How do we know this is not going to blow up in our face?
And he's like, well that's because my brother shape shifted.
We can't shape shift, could you shape shift?
I can't shape shift and he's like, oh, oh yeah, I guess yeah.
Alright let's do this thing.
Yeah, like this clearly shows joe joe and you can't look like joe joe.
Therefore.
Yeah, he's just like, well my brother was being a coward so the book punished him, which I think is kind of the thought process behind that right?
Just like he fought fate.
If he if he had just stated his form remained an excuse, he wouldn't have been blown up.
But because hol horse can't take that shape, it's it'll be fine.
Which is stuff works really weird because it doesn't actually alter fate, right?
It's not changing anything that's going to happen and once it shows the prediction like it has never not happened.
Yeah.
Like it doesn't seem like the people participating have a choice in the matter.
Like even if all the horse didn't try to follow what the comic said to the word he still editing, he would still end up doing it.
Yeah.
Which is it's it's one of those powers where it's like I can't wait for them not to.
It's it's too big.
It's like oh no, it's like one of those things where it's like I bet there are long forum posts about the real power.
Yeah that sounds about right.
There's there's some fan fiction out there somewhere where someone's like yeah, if he were really smart he would have done this and I I think that's one of those ones where you like there be dragons, Purple hermit, cough cough, purple hermit.
Oh god.
Alright excuse me, Purple hermit, definitely.
Oh my god, I ever since we started watching this show like recently I started seeing a bunch of foreign post for jo jo where people constantly deceive Purple hermit.
Why don't people like purple harmon?
They think it's the weakest stand.
They actually said that joe joe has that.
They keep saying that grandpa joe joe has the worst stand and they're like bullshit.
He had the best stand dammit, he could grab stuff.
It stopped him from getting impaled, he can mess with, he can mess with TVs and uh he could draw maps and also the psych ah graffiti, purple Herman is joke.
I like purple Hermit.
Uh top tier S.
Tier.
Yes, here I would much rather have purple hermit than some weird looking blue dude.
Yeah it's a blue dude steal stuff for me.
It keeps drawn flies.
I hate the split dude.
Got magic guys.
Uh I was able to count every card.
Uh Oh my goodness because the two are do faces and they debated the whole like you know shape changing thing.
They realized they only have two minutes, whole horse checks his watch and they only have two minutes to set up this crazy solution.
Uh best part of this is the whole horse starts booking it to try and find the plumbers and the boy is like combat crawling with his elbows, will not leave the box.
He's like a turtle or a snail.
It's hilarious, hilarious.
Um, boy, how do I summarize this scene?
They find the plumbers and the main joke of this scene is that whole horse has forgotten that he has to pay them.
Like you can't just ask them to do it.
Um, Did you, did you remember the payment thing?
Were you yelling at your screens?
I man, I remember it.
I mean it happened so fast.
I didn't feel like I needed to yell at horse, but yes, I remember the payment.
Yeah, I was just like, you gotta pay him buddy.
Um, but then like they won't do it.
He tries to stick them up and he summons emperor and he's like, all right, I'm gonna stick these guys up and boy goes behind him like, hey, they're not stand users.
They can't see your gun.
And he's like, Oh no.
Which I've, they've not had that be a thing and so long to bring that back as a joke.
I think it's great.
Right.
Right.
It's like that rule has been so forgotten.
It's just like, no, Yeah, they can't see it.
So he's just like, I guess this is a podcast.
You can't tell, but I'm, I'm like holding my hand in a shape, like I'm trying to hold a gun.
They just like, uh, there you go.
But yeah, and then he realizes that he doesn't have money.
Um, which is also funny, but I am my question, what happened to the necklace?
I thought he would bribe them with the necklace.
That would have made sense.
Yeah, but instead he's like, oh I forgot my wallet and he's like kid get out the change purse and the kid jumps out and the kids trying to get a change purse and they're both hopping and freaking out.
They're like, oh we don't got time we had at the time and the kid freaks out so much.
He, he drops their change person coins spill everywhere and then the, The plumbers start picking up coins like I bet this is like £20 and then old lady shows up to give them tea and it man add this to the joe joe wiki for times when a rock is used, whole horse lifts a rock to convince them to work.
I can't even lift this rock.
I've lived in this rock which goes back to what I was saying earlier about his thought works very weirdly because they shouldn't be freaking out.
Like if they leave the comic then they know they're going to get it done regardless of however much else they're doing.
Like we'll have money somehow, like and it does that make it works out for them maybe because they freaked out.
But comics weird and also because we're idiots and I felt bad about not knowing this last time.
Uh the Egypt uses the Egyptian pound.
Oh they have their own pound, They have they have their own and they have since the 18 hundreds oh shoot boy, I was way off.
I overthought that a lot.
Yeah, I feel like an idiot for not knowing that, but there it is.
There we go.
We just grew as people you googled you fact check to see your google, check something, that's great.
Uh huh uh But anyway, they quickly do all the they open up the pipe that um is lined up with the Metro and a whole horse looking at his watch, seeing they're out of time, immediately fires a whole bunch of bullets into the pipe.
Ah it cuts back to the team, they're like all picking themselves up and like jokes and I was like, hey grandpa, you okay?
And joseph's like yeah fine and after I was like I only have minor cuts and scrapes and the camera pans over and like pulling off his half buried in rocks and it's like help me, help me, I can't move my legs and joe torre walks over to him and um in in his attempt to try and pick up the rocks to help you know, lift the rocks off of Pohlmann ralf instead of using star platinum.
So joe Crow gets down to get his hands dirty and has lined his noodle, his noggin, his brain's own up with that pipe and on that cliff, anger.
I know it was an opportunity to talk about this a lot earlier.
Um I had to bring it up real fast.
I just remembered when whole horses holding Boldyrev hostage there um One of the things he told him to tell the guys to get them to go away, I tell them you're gonna take a piss.
Yeah I guess I love that.
It's like nothing it's like maybe that should have tipped them all off that something was up with Poland because Poland graph only chooses the finest of bathrooms for his use.
Oh my God that's right.
But the best thing in the world is they have such a low opinion of palling around with joseph.
It's like oh you sick freak.
He was he's like that's kind of embarrassing to admit to uh why do we even hang out with you?
Like he's just like tell them you're gonna pass on the street, telling you gonna pass on the street and there are many like porn araff that's so paul, giraffe generals rolling up the newspaper.
Yeah.
Oh I thought we have trained you.
Um But yeah thank you for bringing that up.
That is something that I kind of glossed over.
Um I then wrote I don't remember what it is but I wrote the music for this entire sequence is really funny um because we see like the bullets like heading through the pipes and heading towards joe tomorrow and the music apparently is funny?
I don't remember the music was but I just remember it was funny.
Was it the weird thurman music they play?
Yeah, maybe the weird thing about music they play anyway right before the bullets hit joe torre in the head.
Palm giraffe sneezes once again right and jo jo's face and it knocks him down.
The bullets miss entirely and I don't know if this is an animation error or not but instead of looking annoyed that he got sneezed in his face, Jetro has a big dumb grin man.
I noticed that it was just the basic smile face like they it I I don't know, I just feel like it's the one of the worst looking faces they could have drawn, he's just smiling, he's like oh thank you, thank you for sneezing in my face now, I can feel something man normally have to pay for that.
Um But yeah it was definitely, definitely a moment where I was like scratching my noggin, being like that that's kind of uh um but yeah, so joe throws just smiling just just smiling that he got sneeze in the face, the bullets fly off into space, they knock off like they break like a roof or something and that whole horse picks up boy go and it's like you you liar, you liar, none of this works, none of this is good and that boy goes like I don't get it my I'm 100 I'm always right, I always have to be right and they're like what's going on, this doesn't make any sense?
And then a I will say I love this.
I didn't think this, I didn't think this was the case.
I didn't see this coming.
I think this bit is perfect.
Um a car drives by goes now it's time for the the 12:00 News And then like a clock tower chimes 12 And whole horse realizes that his watch is two minutes fast and by God, that's awesome.
I I think that's a good um that's like a good jo jo plot twist right there.
Alright, So does that mean that thought didn't accurately predict what was going to happen then?
Well then all right, Well, I guess we have, let's wrap this up because we're actually at the end and we get to be honest, this whole ending makes no sense to me whatsoever.
It doesn't line up with all Exactly.
Um but so the bullets flew off and like whole horses like crap what's going to happen.
This doesn't make sense.
It still looks like this thing and he holds the manga bullet holes all up to his face and the bullets fly into the bullet holes that were established in the stand and those go into whole horse's face.
But now, as I say, that is the book boingo stands.
So shouldn't boingo have three bullet wounds as well.
Now that's an excellent point.
Um If you had put a hole in strength, would that have put a hole in the gorilla too?
Oh man alright yeah you're right.
This is this is all right.
You know what bravo?
Let's not think about it because you have a point like this is maybe the comic isn't his stand.
Maybe his maybe his stand makes the comic is his stand.
Maybe his stand is like a ghost that like drawls on the pages or something.
I mean either way this isn't a bright point for thought right now.
Don't think about it too hard because it doesn't make any sense.
Um It just doesn't make any sense.
It goes through the bullet holes.
So uh but it was kind of teased that if you mess up the prediction like he had to shoot at noon because he didn't shoot at noon.
The stand takes revenge or something like that.
I don't know.
But the prediction didn't happen then like it predicted the 12 o'clock noon then either the noon didn't happen at all.
So the prediction was wrong or the prediction included him shooting for his broken watch.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm not going to think about this because we have the best line of this entire episode where joseph says we need to get out of here before the cops show up.
Yeah I can't be a wanted man and yet another country that's been his M.
O.
Hasn't it?
That is his M o every time after that one time.
What country is he is in Pakistan, I don't even remember anymore India.
I think he's wanted in India.
Okay.
It needed to get into Pakistan because he was wanted by the Indian police.
My name is joseph joe starr.
I am an american.
I am from this hotel.
Come arrest me.
Uh Yeah, just for the mop up we get a couple of things.
Whole horse somehow has survived.
Uh the police say that he was headed just the perfect angle.
We're like it's scraped his forehead.
It's like severely hurt him but it's not going to kill him.
Maybe it like cracked his skull but didn't go in.
We're probably not seeing him again, do we?
Yeah, I guess.
No, he seems retired.
I like whole horse but this is probably the late at the end of whole horse.
Oh man, I do like a horse.
Um And then the boy go watching the heroes walk away goes like, man, I don't understand why that joke you guys so lucky.
Oh, between everything that happened to my brother and whole horse, I have decided that revenge is stupid.
I'm gonna clean up my act and I'm gonna use my mysterious stand.
That doesn't make any sense to help people somehow.
He's like I'm not going to hide in their boxes anymore and he kicks the box up in the air and he has inspirational anime music.
He's gone full Naruto uh the power of friendship now.
Yeah, he's all he's all defiant And unfortunately for him when the box comes back down to earth, it bumps iggy on the head and instead of round face, Iggy, square headed Iggy is back in action baby.
Oh man, you're right.
It is the ugly Iggy, I keep track of my G's inside the round face.
Iggy or square head Iggy.
It's like bigger luke, square, square facing.
He does not take any prisoners.
No, he doesn't is a bigger luke is slightly bigger loop.
I know what you're talking about.
You don't know about bigger luke.
No, well this is not ringing any bells.
It's the worst google search you'll ever do in your life.
Like it was like, I don't, I still can't tell if it's satire enough, but some people have a theory that there are two luke, Skywalker's and one of them is slightly taller than the other.
Yeah, but what is some people have like watched those movies enough for them?
Like wait a minute in some scenes, the scale is off.
So either Mark Hamill got tall, either luke got taller or there's a sector.
I don't have to, if there's not two different Mark camels.
Yeah, so the idea is that there's two different Lukes.
It's just one of them is just a little bit bigger.
It's it's a weird credit to give to George Lucas there is a Reddit called bigger luke.
It's a wiki about this.
My favorite thing.
Top posts up, bigger luke credit is bigger luke and are bigger luke and luke prime ever seen together.
Or is it a single Lucas pulsate to give it to its science.
It's a forced thing.
He forced grows and force shrinks.
Oh no Mark Hamill even shared the conspiracy at one point.
Of course he did.
He's just like you know what I can get is like looking for a really fun conspiracy luke.
No further.
Oh then he referenced his time on the muppet show to prove that there are two Lukes.
Oh boy.
But in a slightly bigger luke.
Are you a fan of bigger Luger loop prime?
I mean more luke is better.
Right?
Should the bigger luke?
P luke prime.
It's as far as I'm aware that's exactly how size of hierarchy works.
So in my mind I'm part of the smaller loop theory.
How is that a different theory?
Because I think the bigger luke is the prime luke and smaller luke is the last.
Okay, paul.
Yeah, all you people praising your your your your puny, tiny luke, The account for space travel.
An artificial gravity.
I don't maybe it's just low and low gravity.
Your spine decompress is and maybe that makes bigger luke.
Did you just solve bigger luke on our jojo's bizarre adventure podcast.
I don't want to read the five Reddit threads that tell me why I'm an idiot for suggesting it.
But oh my God I have solved it.
Bigger luke.
That is the better one is grow go with bigger luke or luke prime?
He's back.
It's an amalgamation of both loops because they had to U.
C.
G.
And U C.
G.
Bigger Lucas.
Oh man did they deepfake back in the, you can tell we're not wild about these episodes because we spot on a lot bigger than I want to go into a much deeper dive now on big luke theory.
Big luke theory.
Dammit.
Is there a t shirt?
A big, I want a t shirt.
This is big luke theory.
You know what?
That should be like a tank top.
Yeah Big look theory.
Such a funny thing is big loop theory.
Oh how is there not a t shirt that just this big loop theory.
I can't read the article fast enough but apparently this somehow relates into when Princess Leia asks if he's too short to be a storm trooper.
Oh but then another scenes he's big.
There we go.
Oh my God I've got to buy a t shirt maybe hold on your theory exists.
It would indicate evidence towards the extremely controversial and fringe smaller luke hypothesis.
Yes.
Uh huh.
Yes.
Oh the real joke is these crackpots smaller luke hypothesize ear's.
No we are doesn't we are many?
I'm gonna thanks deleted name.
Reddit person.
I will devote myself.
I I sent you a t shirt of the chat.
Uh huh.
We're gonna have to we're going to get this shirt.
Where did the barbecue?
Uh uh huh So in my mind luke prime is read luke and smaller luke is blue luke.
Oh you made this mean you made this mean someone else made this mean I stole that ship.
I don't Oh my goodness.
Alright.
Anyway the square headed diggy who was different from circle headed diggy uh fights boy go ahead boy who ends up in the hospital with his brother once again because I guess he really fucked up that child.
He beat up that child So bad.
They had to take a new I mean did you have to get air backed?
Like whoever his brother is like his brother was in a different city, wasn't he?
Hol horse had to ride in a plane also.
Yeah.
Apparently there needs to be a muzzle law and fucking Iggy because Iggy's will funk up a child like on a whim apparently.
Yeah, that's some crazy stuff right there.
Yeah.
And when the boingo slash metadata is like having this big inspirational monologue about, I'm gonna go straight that's my promise to you big brother and it looks up into the sky with the sun because his brother dead.
I promised to his dead brother maybe he doesn't understand airplanes.
Uh huh um Gosh that's just yeah.
Is there anything else?
Do they?
I mean they all talk about like, oh who knows where Iggy is and then it's over Yeah there was like one final statement where they're all like, hey where's Iggy there?
Like he's probably stealing food somewhere.
I think after all everyone reminds him I told you he was gonna be useless.
Yeah.
Abdel did get out.
What a stinker that after all I could get a coffee mug about bigger luke.
Wasn't after all there when when uh couldn't get a coffee mug.
Wasn't happy at all there when you saved their lives like twice.
Yeah I threw Iggy if that's what you're asking.
Yeah.
I remember that impacting a lot harder when you showed me the O.
V.
A.
I think the L.
V.
A.
Is pretty cool.
When it comes to that scene.
We'll have to go revisit these ov.
It's alright that's that's episodes 36, whole Horsey Bongo Bongo Bongo Bingo.
I did not look at the next episode so I don't know what's coming.
Did you peek ahead?
I'll watch the preview and I'm kind of excited.
Just uh huh.
Did I mention what could possibly be a spoiler?
I'm sure go for it.
If it was in the preview to see fucking talk.
I don't know if Iggy talks.
I thought he could just bark, it looks like there's gonna be a voice actor for E.
G.
In the next episode.
Could you make a weird thing?
It could just be a weird way that they did the uh because they do weird voice like bored voice overs during some of the previews.
Yeah because I I really thought that the talking voice.
Okay, what was that?
The submarine episode when I watched the preview for that?
They were using uh Susie Q's voice, but it looked like it was kind of coming from the stand user, which is what I thought was happening at the time.
Oh, gotcha.
So this could be like um yeah, I got you.
So kids, if you're one of those things were kind of like really much together and I was misunderstanding who I was hearing, it seems like he's going to talk the next episode.
There we go to next episode.
There we go, paul, graff, the owner of buddy cop dramas that we've come to love.
Never happened.
And again, ziggy time.
Um Alrighty man, I had fun talking about big luke.
That's my takeaway from these two episodes going on a deep dive without this stuff.
Now, I want to believe I want to get this coffee mug.
Get confused.
Everybody I work with like, what's this?
What's this mug you have?
What do you want to believe?
Let me tell you, you turn off the lights, close the blinds in your room, you know, without big luke.
No, no, I'm gonna turn off lights like, you know, there's a smaller luke.
Uh huh.
Okay, that's it.
I I'm Gonna Book This one out.
Are you booking out?
Let's look out for divorce, capital.
Mhm