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turn this on we're we're live now i can't believe
this okay so what so um will any of the disney
characters like come by like behind the table
and and say hey is that this kind of brunch
are we on brunch is this brunch
yeah they've limited that in kovid
right now so no donald duck but i mean like
they're wearing a mask they're in a helmet
oh man i was gonna say if i can if i can make
a request i'd love to meet jasmine let's do it
but i guess i can't i guess i can that's awesome
so when do you when do you come back from disney
so me and matt only live an hour and
a half away this is just a day trip
yeah so just disney world all the time you know
yeah is is the star wars um park or whatever
i don't know how that works is is the star
wars really as cool as as what people say i've
been math hasn't i think it's great uh matt's
probably going to have some disagreements on that
really first thought they they created their own
land so it doesn't exist in any star wars canon
i mean i'm not a purist i just love star wars
yeah it's by the way it's an atrocity that i
haven't been yet like i'm definitely the biggest
star wars fan in the family like that that was my
original collection and hobby the star wars toys
oh really yeah as i say we're in the room right
now with uh up there i'm not going to turn the
camera but i have the original like the 1970s
18 ttt sealed walker and also i have like the
millennium falcon era from 1996. so 96 they had
these packages where it was like okay the dark
side toys had like a red lightsaber on it
and light side toys had a green lightsaber
and they accidentally printed the millennium
falcon with the red lightsaber and i have it
sealed up there above my head right now that's
awesome how are those are those toys like
really big are are they like like the vintage
star wars stories i know nothing about vintage
star wars are those very very popular right now so
so some of them they haven't really boomed in the
same way that cards has um but you know it's
like my seal i say it's sealed but it's like
not in good condition like it's a kind of ratty
old box um but if i had it in mint condition i
mean like that stuff could be like a couple of
like thousand dollars especially the 18 the ata
but like really the stuff that people go for is
kind of like with uh with cards like the rookie
card like the rookie boba fett toy like the
first boba fett the first luke skywalker which
i don't have any of those firsts uh you know that
i mean like boba fett i haven't checked recently
but boba fett is like the most expensive it's
like tens of thousands that that's awesome so so
so i'm i'm about to drop a grenade because i
want to i want to gauge the kind of star wars
fan you are the recent trilogy is better than the
original trilogy okay uh i got problems with it
yes okay okay you're probably my kind of star
wars fan then yeah yeah so it's the original
trilogy is the best right um the the last star
wars movie made no sense whatsoever like they
did not plant seeds of there being like a ray and
ben love interest this whole time oh my god that's
supposed to be like brother sister and now they're
kissing and that's what like saves her like what
and then and then kylo ren gets to redeem
himself even though he's a genocidal like nazi
like he gets to redeem himself just by
sacrificing himself like he got to do
a little bit more i don't know he's got not to
mention that they bring back the emperor which
was like you know the ultimate sacrifice
at the end of return which it's like and
now that sacrifice meant nothing because the
emperor i guess has been alive this whole time
it's like like what what's the explanation
for for him coming back like they they they
sent people down the shaft and grabbed
his remains and then made clones of him
i mean the sith the sith running through him was
so strong that it just just kept him alive now i
would like to say after this conversation you are
the one who said that those movies were better
that was just a grenade i needed to test the
waters to see to see how this was because i
get called a boomer i i actually get called
a boomer because uh you know my my favorite
movies are the trilogies i i don't even care for
the prequels too much um there are some things
i do like about the prequels don't get me wrong
but there are a lot of things that i don't like
yeah because i'm used to like i've had
this conversation before with people
i loved the clone wars tv show both both of the tv
shows the one with dave filoni and then the other
the cartoon like the actual cartoon uh animation
and and i really enjoyed um how they flushed out
the anakin skywalker character in in those
shows and so and so when i go back i noticed
that i couldn't watch i can't watch the prequels
anymore because like i have a different anakin
and so i go to the prequels and and the anakin is
terrible like see i haven't i haven't been tainted
by the by the show so i never i hadn't watched
clone wars or anything like that but what i what
i will say for the prequels like i so i hated them
like vehemently for a long time um but now like
i watch episode one and two sort of the same way
that i watch the fast and furious movies is that
it's just like it is awesomely terrible you know
it's just it's it's entertaining how bad it is and
i love it yes yeah yeah i'm right there i'm right
there with you i'm right there i used to really
enjoy like everyone you know my favorite people
for a long time was uh revenge of the sith and um
and and and and i just don't enjoy it
as much as i did before just cuz like
like i kind of laugh at some of the like
the close-up of anakin where he's like
oh my god like what i really want to see
and this is i know this is in the star wars
podcast so this will be the last thing but
what i really want to see is that it was uh
who is it not toby mcguire who's the guy who
looks exactly like toby mcguire that 70s show
joe for grace go for grace so topher grace
apparently like back in i think 2012 did a
uh his own like director's cut of the prequels
where he took all three movies and made it like
one 86 minute long movie and he like he premiered
it like in new york and like just for like a small
crowd like people watch and apparently it was
phenomenal like it made the prequels great but
it never leaked online like there's no trace
of it but allegedly he made a fantastic prequel
ah i didn't i didn't know that i'm gonna have to
do some research now because i would love to see
to see that i would love to see how it changes
and and that's like loki you know i know this
isn't a star wars podcast we just you just said
that but that's the problem that's the that's
the pro and the con of being like such a nerd
and having other nerds on the podcast is like
i'll nerd out about anything yeah you'll just go
down rabbit hole on whatever yeah and i've just
accepted it like i'm okay with it because there
will be a fraction of listeners that are like yeah
the recent trilogy sucked yeah i came for
the pokemon i stayed for the star wars
there you go there you go see gosh
now now what i will say though tom
if you're not eating pancakes i'm actually sad
about that are you eating pancakes right now
because it looked like you were eating
breakfast tacos but i wasn't quite sure
it's a pork tacos oh okay see look okay it
did look like you're eating tacos if it's
not a pancake taco i don't want to hear about it
yeah and on pancake sundae no less come on man
come on seriously what the hell
anyways i'll survive you'll see me
well hey y'all i appreciate you being on in spite
of the fact that you're literally in disney world
um i and i'm also a little jealous like i'm
like i'm a little jealous but story behind
that is um family said oh we're going to go to
disney world so you have time to do the podcast
i said well i want to go to disney world
i was like okay you get a
restaurant just do your thing
well hey just let me know like because you know
i can easily geek out for easy easily five hours
i feel like we could do that but i want to
be respectful too so whenever you need to
hop off like just just let me know whenever your
time is so because you know disney world is way
more fun than than being on here but anyways
guys it's gonna come bounce him out of there
your family's literally been waiting outside
you're probably not supposed
to film from here from here
i didn't think about that but
yeah yeah that that too that
too so like let me know before you keep it low-key
yeah but anyways i appreciate being on and i
knew this was gonna be really fun because i knew
we like what i love about you guys like you guys
don't just collect pokemon stuff that you guys
have been collecting and i mean i know that you
know tom you've been collecting a lot of marvel
but like between the both of y'all like
what like like let us know what else
have you been collecting like right
now other than pokemon and evolving
skies because that's the thing right now
but yeah tom i'll let you get into it
uh yeah so that knows a lot about my
speculative buys i do all the time
i have a lot of disney uh sealed disney collecting
uh there's one disney set that i'm hooked on
and i got through it through a e-pack of all
places they have a whole disney princess set
and there's a chase a case chaser that gives
you a piece of a manufactured diamond in it
so you can line up disney princesses with
tiaras and you know fun stuff for natasha
i was excited we got a number two 199
rapunzel and pascal card in a trade yesterday
nice uh other stuff i have a super mario wax
vintage uh ninja turtles it's a lot of like non
sports uh sports stuff basketball we went
all in on football this year my family
matt included oh nice yeah yeah so
good those target restocks online
amazingly we weren't killed by bots on it so
i was happy about that and uh finally tops
living set i got into recently so
it's like a limited time weekly
tops puts it on their website star wars
wwe and baseball i've done through that set
they don't know that's the thing you
don't know the printing until like
the time expires so some of them have been printed
to 10 000 5000 less just depends on the character
yeah yeah that definitely makes sense yeah
yeah and for me i'm i'm pretty much on uh so
pokemon's obviously like my main collection um
but i don't do too much modern collecting like
you'll see like i'll do modern breaks just
because you know that's what people want
to break and it's fun to rip um but you know
obviously like my predominant stuff like i'm i
am the expedition guy uh so expedition everything
i got a got a couple of slabourinos over here my
my two faves from expedition got the uh mewtwo and
the nine the psa nine dragonite hollow hell yeah
yeah so so expedition's my favorite um i also do
like vending series uh which first one that got me
hooked on it here was like you know vending series
was so cool because they took a lot of chances
and so they had like a child made the artwork
for this polygraph yeah it's like a child's
coloring so like vending series next edition are
my main ones outside of that i do a lot of sealed
collecting um that i mostly do speculative um so
like i have just like modern sets i thought you
know have potential um so for me that's like you
know hidden fates vivid voltage things that have
like first time cards you know vivid voltage
was like the first appearance of amazing rares
um and so like that was big for me uh but
outside of pokemon um obviously you've
seen and you've geeked out a little bit on all
the stuff i get into with magic the gathering
um never in my life touch a magic gathering
card tommy hates it tommy thinks it's the
dumbest move i've ever made it's never in
my life and i think you would get into it
but yeah why i said why why why do
you think i wouldn't have gotten it
i mean pokemon is your niche you know it so
well like you just didn't grow up with it
like you played dungeons and dragons i remember
that well and that's where they really got me
like hook line and sinker this past time because
they did a dungeons and dragon set you know yeah
and so it's like all the monsters from the
monster manual and so like that was like
gave me nostalgia even though i never played uh
magic but you know i'm kind of like that uh what
benicio del toro's character from guardians of
the galaxy like the collector like i like pretty
things you know and so like when when screw saving
came out with those japanese alt arts i'm like
i have no attachment to it other than those are
gorgeous they're gorgeous i don't even know what
they're saying i don't even know yeah i know i
don't even know it's like i gotta look at the
value of the card and i'm like i don't even know
what card this is it's just nice it's just great
and i've been trying to go back to target to get
the collector uh the collector um booster packs
yeah yeah cause all they have are those those
non-draft box strix haven and then they have
the singles and then for a while they were
selling the um the collector version of the of
those booster packs for like 25 bucks and they're
gone they're completely sold out i was only able
to get one and i should have honestly gotten
as many as i could as soon as i could mainly
um um yes because of the japanese alt arts but
honestly at this point i think the better move
is to just buy the old arts you know not
even not even chase the boxes for them
and just get the alt arts because those are fun
but i haven't been focused on them because i've
been focused on fortnight which you know i
was gonna ask okay so i already know tom's
answer what's yours matt are you going to do the
secret lair like uh uh uh street street fighter
uh for mcg you are okay 100 yeah street fighter
is that's a big part of mine and tom's childhood
like i you know thinking back to some of like
my earliest memories like some of them revolve
around street fighter you know like i think
it was like back when we were still living
in brooklyn like 1994 like i remember like
borrowing a copy of street fighter 2 from
one of our friends and just like a genesis
street fighter right yeah yeah yeah
yeah oh man those are great oh those are great i
cannot wait to see to see what's up with like i
don't know i can't wait to see what those those
cards are i've never i've never tried to buy
secret lair so i've been like doing some
research just to prepare when the fortnight
and the street fighter comes out and i didn't
realize that the secret lairs were print to demand
so you have to pre-order them okay yeah i i didn't
know that yeah i was on the website i added myself
to the to the ma to the email list so that i
could get notified because right now you can't
pre-order for fortnite or street fighter so
i have to figure out with people that know
more than i do just to get prepared for that
date because i don't know if it's going to be
a body thing i don't know if they're going
to stop it after a certain you know amount
of time like even though it's you
know printed demand like when will
that is there a line that's going to be really
interesting uh to see which of those prints
heavier right because i think that you know street
fighter especially for people who are our age you
know in their prime earning years like i think
street fighter has more nostalgia you know than
fortnite does um but fortnite obviously the
much more popular global brand at this point
um and everyone like thankfully you jess i mean
like you were like the fortnight pioneer like i
i didn't know any fortnite collectors until you
um and now everyone's on it you know and so like
i could see where you know because now big big
influencers are into fortnite and everything
that they may actually end up printing more of the
fortnite secret layer because the demand is higher
you know so it'll be interesting to see
like what prints more of this you said
yeah yeah i agree with you um and i mean
like what like what's funny that you say that
is i'm not even the biggest fortnight collector
i just happened to be one of the like one of
the ones on instagram because when i first
got on instagram my whole thing was fortnite
and then i decided to like rebrand and make it
just geek in general because pokemon was more of
the thing but i love fortnite and i i just want to
be able to put out whatever i'm collecting so i'm
like let me just make it general and like i'm just
you know that's why i came out with geeked out but
um but yeah like fortnight has been really
interesting to watch because i just found out
last night from some people that derek jeter just
i think it was a private sale for like the guy
like the fortnight card um and it was a psa
five of that card wow and so and so now that
card really is turning into like it always kind of
was the first edition base at charizard right yeah
it always kind of what it always always kind of
was but now at this point what we're seeing for
the crystal shard version of that card that's like
the top top card of fortnite that you know even
if you had an authenticated version of the first
edition charizard like you're still balling right
like it doesn't matter the condition even if you
have an authenticated version it's like okay all
right like i said you know because like a psa six
or something is still worth a few thousand dollars
like it's not cheap to get one and so the crystal
shard um um black knight card is now starting to
become like you're starting to actually see
that that's how the market is reacting to it
because of that purchase and then on top of that
like it was an actual celebrity that purchased
that card so you know they're watching the market
they might not be talking about it much but
they're watching it so yeah and so i was i was
kind of talking to uh rock pokemon connor about
this the other day about the popularity and the
longevity surrounding the first edition charizard
um and how it's like you know it's like it's good
card you know and it was probably like the the
nicest one that stood out of the hollows in first
edition base set you know because it's like the
only one if you go back and look it's the only
one that's doing anything right like a polygraph
is just like this is what a polygraph looks like
that's what alexander looks like the charizard's
like blowing fire right and so it's like but
on the scale of like all the pokemon cards have
come after that you know it's like it's not that
interesting it just has the biggest nostalgia hit
but what i was the reason i bring that up is that
i'm thinking about like crystal shard black knight
versus the first edition base at charizard i'm
willing to bet that those crystal shard cards are
significantly more rare you know absolutely
than most first edition based cards right
and at the time right now and i know it's like
we have bias because it's like it's what we grew
up with and i know pokemania was huge but
for i've never seen something like fortnite
where like literally every child you know plays
fortnite you know every like i you know i do i'm
a therapist by uh by trade by day and whenever
i am talking with one of my teenage clients
all of them are on fortnight like all of them it's
like what's your daily routine i get home maybe i
do homework and then i hop on fortnight you know
and so it's like i'm wondering if 20 years from
now if those you know crystal shard cards are
going to have more value just because of the the
the absolute rarity and the huge popularity
of the franchise um it'll be interesting
so so i am really glad that you say that like
i love hearing you say that because you know
like i don't want to say like you're on
the outside of fortnite but you've been
watching it and that's exactly and and you've been
watching it accurately that's exactly what it is
i mean uh you know absolutely crystal shards
there's probably less than 100. yeah and and and
what we haven't been able to figure out and some
will argue that there's probably less than 50 and
i think i think that also could be a possibility
uh the one thing that's not quite clear and i'm
i'm waiting for you know the pop reports to
really start filling out for those crystal
shard cards across all of the different grading
companies um that that grade fortnight but um
i want to see two to get an idea of if there's
maybe even some rarity with certain skins because
that's not quite clear because the one thing that
we're seeing with fortnite is we're seeing crystal
shards not hit the market that often and it's like
okay is that a combination of just the supply it
could be an indication of supply but it could also
be it's also more so probably an indication that
you know those collectors know what they have
and they're keeping it and they're holding those
for you know five probably probably five years
at least just to see what those cards start to do
because i mean even when you see the ones right
now that are hitting the market like for the usa
print version i mean because you know there's a
lot of little nuances to fortnite which is why
you know i try to stress people like do your
research and pay attention to those differences
um the usa prints like they're
going for easy a thousand
a thousand even even in the raw version
for those crystal shard cards so it's like
if you can get a crystal shard and then it's a
legendary skin that was even more rare and then
and then you know the particular like highlighted
ones right the ones that were popular in the game
the ones that played a significant part in the
actual story uh to fortnite you know behind behind
the game so i mean you've really got something
there i i was talking to some guys last night we
were ranking we were ranking cards um and we're
like okay black knight crystal shard number one
number two surprisingly enough the peely crystal
shard because that was like the meme skin and so
that's like like all the kids are like oh yeah
peely like that was the jokester and then number
three is then we we probably get to like the black
knight hollow foil and then like probably number
four is the skull trooper crystal shard and then
another crystal shot i can't remember what we had
mentioned but i mean either way like freaking a
like the crystal shard cards are crazy crazy rare
compared to others early you're this early into
the you know the the fortnight timeline you know
that it's like it's already popping off like this
now granted obviously there's like a global boom
you know of cards in general i mean raw or graded
at these prices uh both curiosity both depending
depending on what depending on what you're
looking at um uh so so the black the crystal
shard black knight uh five point a nine point
five sorry a nine point five sold for around 23k
and that was a really great sale to see because
it was an ebay auction so so you know that was i
think probably really reflective of the market um
so so but even for like a let's say a luxe crystal
shard who uh i love lux i have lux i don't have
the crystal shard version but you know there's a
there might be one like foil on the market of the
usa print and it's i want to say it's it's it's
definitely over a thousand and it could easily
be 1500 and it's just the raw version of the card
yeah which i don't know that i would buy because
it's like if you know what you have that card
probably isn't in good condition there's probably
something something up with that card you know
like anyone then you look jeter bought a psa five
you know that's that's very true that's very true
um so you know it's just stuff to to i guess
weigh but yeah like these numbers they're
doing something really crazy and honestly i think
personally because there's so little sales data
people are taking huge risks right like very very
huge risk because there's so little sales data and
to be honest i think these prices are not normal
you know there's not enough sales history like i
think these prices are doing a little bit more
than than maybe what they technically should
be but i think people are just smarter about
it like like the black knight that i bought
you know maybe maybe i should
have paid less i don't know
but what i do know is that that card in five
to ten years from now like that's that's like
the number three card that's in the top
five right yeah so i'm like i don't care
i kind of i do care how much i pay for it but
at that price what i think it could do in five
to ten years from now i'm gonna i'm gonna go
ahead and just lock in that price right now
that's what i'm gonna do that's that's how i feel
when i buy like the bulk majority of like my pc
stuff like with expedition cards is that it's
like a lot of them i bought at peak you know
but it's like that's not the lifetime peak you
know like i'm i'm planning like that's the one
piece of my collection that i do not plan to sell
while i'm alive you know like that goes to my kids
and so you know for me it's like okay did i
overpay like 100 bucks on a charizard versus
like what the price is now maybe but it's like
it's not gonna make up a hundred bucks in the
next 50 years like you know it's it's definitely
if you're if you're gonna sit on a cart it really
doesn't matter too much the price you get as
long as you're getting it in the condition you
want and you plan to hold it long term yeah yeah i
i absolutely agree with you and and especially for
expedition because like minty minty minty versions
of those cards are real low pops right like like i
don't know if they're they're are they are they
like under 100 for generally like so it depends
on the grade but i would say most of the hollows
hover between like total population all grades
around like the 130 140 range okay um you know
and then i collect them like eight and nine um
and usually you'll see like 30 like they'll be 30
in that grade um and i don't think it's going to
go up too much like expedition you know it is
it's the true the truly rarest i would say of
like the english sets for for multiple reasons one
this was at the drop-off right so this was at the
drop-off in pokemon popularity uh e-series was not
super popular when it first came out um but then
expedition was the first of the e-series right
so you got expedition aquapolis and then skyridge
and skyridge was like really touted like if you go
back and watch like youtube videos from like five
years ago it's like this is the holy grail set
everyone loves sky rage it's the last watsi set
well of course that results in people getting and
holding a bunch of sealed product of it you know
like people when when people didn't care about the
set back in the day right and didn't think of it
as a speculative investment that's going to lead
to there being less mint cards you know and also
it was like severely lowly printed you know and so
like i think expedition like in my eyes you know
people think of skyridge and acropolis as like z
big e series sets but expedition's the underdog
and and i think because people didn't covet it
and value it so much that there's not going to
be very many more of these cards popping up
um you know like you can get tommy and i were
joking about it the other day we've seen so
many influencers breaking fossil boxes oh my god
fossil boxes are being broken like every two days
there's i don't i'm not i'm not gonna call anyone
out but there was like some sort of place that's
giving away like doing a giveaway with the first
edition box you know um and it's it was just
printed to you know out the wazoo um yeah for me
because they're also sponsoring other podcasts
now too so i'd be surprised who wins their um
their giveaway but it's a tcg underscore stadium
uh they're also an online seller i mean that
one giveaway has popped them up too last time i
checked there were over 10k followers before that
they were like covering around 7 000. so it's
like it's doing what they expect it to do but
i don't know they're making a push for some
reason not sure why what their plans are but
yeah i don't know yeah but what was really
interesting me about the first edition fossil
right and i'll go back to like some travia where
he brings up about how first edition is not rare
like it's just a printing on
a card it was over printed
uh just you've even mentioned before shadowless
lower printing than first edition so but i'm just
worried about like the uh dominoes that are gonna
fall because of this account that's giving away
yeah scary you know you know that that's
something that i kind of been reflecting on
um and and i don't really know the
answer yet but kind of thinking about
because you can see how uh content creators
and i mean we're all content creators
and and and you know i don't know how much
of a true impact like one singular or maybe
a handful of content creators can actually have
on the market i mean on an individual possibly
but but like on the market as a whole you know i
don't know how that impact i don't know how we can
measure that i'm not sure i'm not that smart on
that end of it but it's made me really think about
like the content that i put out and what
possible impact it could be happening even
on a smaller level and and honestly like so what
i don't want to do what i don't want to do and i
don't know if i have or not already or if i will
in the future you know not incidentally like
like like really making an impact on on those
kinds of things in like a manipulative kind
of way and it's kind of got me worried like i
i want to post my cards i want to do my thing
you know but but does that does that have like a
negative manipulative impact i don't i don't know
and and i don't know i've been really trying to
rethink and and be more thoughtful on the kind
of content that i do put out because it's like
whoa like like putting numbers out of things uh
doing that kind of stuff it makes me a
little worried that i don't know i mean
i'm a small creator compared to other ones so i
i hope that maybe the bigger you know creators
consider those things and think about that but
i don't know i i don't know the answer you know
who's a really interesting case study on this
um good good guy you know been very nice to me
and tommy um aaron the mon have you ever followed
aaron the mod yeah yeah yeah he obviously has this
massive massive sealed collection um that you know
it's like it's kind of like directly advertising
like hey there's a lot more of this product in
existence than you think but what's so interesting
about aaron to me is that like he is a holder like
he he's not going to sell he did this big april
fools joke that uh you know got a lot of people
angry but in hindsight was pretty funny uh where
he said i'm doing an expedition box break right
like who wants in on this expedition box break
i'm gonna start selling my collections right and
then turn up being april fool's joke because like
he never sells any of his stuff yeah right but
you know it's like if that's any indication one
you know like i think that just knowing that
there's he can't be the only one you know that has
these massive massive amounts of product uh gary
is often referenced that he has this like armed
you know vault somewhere deep in the in
north california you know like whatever
um that who knows he could be sitting on cases and
cases and cases of first edition booster boxes you
know yeah and so it's like there's there's plenty
of those people who exist but then it's like how
much of an impact does it have if these people
never sell you know so it's interesting yeah
yeah it's definitely really interesting how to
know that there are collectors out there that
could have a massive impact on a market if all of
a sudden they decided to sell all of it or even
some of it i mean because even recently um there
was a fortnight collector who got back a boatload
of uh psa bulk that he has sent in and it's all
crystal shards and they're all in nines and tens
and and how low and we're talking about multiples
of like like even even like five of the same skin
and even that because right now there's
so few even that has an impact like you
could be talking about you know potentially
ten percent of a market that he might have
i wonder if he scoped all this out or if he ripped
them because like to rip that many like you have
to have gone through thousands of boxes they're
so rare oh my god yeah he didn't he didn't rip
them he bought them um is is what is what he told
me so it would have been really expensive to rip
all of that because i didn't get a damn like black
knight crystal shard and i opened up 24 boxes
so so yeah uh but definitely got some crystal
chards but yeah but i mean it's really interesting
to see that because i mean you know as we become
more educated in general on the market and i mean
even for example to see what happened what's going
on right now in vintage video games and and in the
grading of those vintage video games and seeing
the possible market manipulation in that it's
like uh you know i mean like at the end of the day
you gotta remember that these things could go down
to zero because there there are possibly people
you know pulling the strings on these things i
don't know i feel like i can't even touch the the
graded games market yeah i got a prediction coming
uh legend of arceus arcus legend's
going to be the highest selling pokemon
ever because everyone's gonna keep buying multiple
copies and send it over and yeah it's gonna get
out of hand but uh i've always joked about that
too with matt like take photos at walmart i'm just
like oh my goodness i can't believe they're
just putting this out up front for everyone
are you guys going to get the game
are you guys going to cop it yeah
not not for like sealed collection purposes
but yeah i'm going to play action yeah
i don't know about um what's the other one
diamond and pearl shiny diamond or brilliant
diamond i don't know about that one yeah i i like
the art style the the like chibi art style like
i think it's adorable you know like i they did
that with the lynx awakening remake and it was
just like so relaxing to play it's just like very
cute yeah so i'm excited for pearl and diamond
oh that's that's awesome i haven't played link's
awakening yet uh but i do want to get it but i
did really like the art of breath of the wild so
so i need to i need to mitigate my expectation
because i really love breath of the wild that was
a really great game and so i have to like switch
my focus is like chibi is cute you know and and
that's and that's the kind of game that you're
getting so just go ahead and try it out and enjoy
it because i didn't have the n64 because that that
game originally came out n64 right uh the links
awakening i think that was super nintendo super
nintendo oh okay yeah like ocarina of time and
majora's mask yeah yeah that that's in that era of
link of of of zelda games i never played because
i never had those systems i only had the game boy
so and i only had the orig well no i had no
i had the game boy color but there were only
there were only a handful of like games did you
play the gamecube zeldas no i didn't have it okay
uh strong recommendation because you love
breath of the wild i love breath of wild
this game is nothing like breath of wild i'm just
recommending it because you seem to like the same
things wind waker wind waker is one of my all-time
favorites i've heard good things about wind waker
i i've heard i've heard okay yes thank you
i i yeah i'll i'll definitely play that
um because my brother has a gamecube um so it
shouldn't be too hard to grab you know a disc
somewhere yeah so yeah you know like talking about
the like video game grading and collecting like
i i need to stop myself from thinking it's a good
idea for me because i'm just so uneducated in it
you know like i was at a i was at gamestop the
other day picking up a copy of uh warioware uh
the new warrior wear on switch and you know like
the original warioware like i think it just sold
in like a lot of 88 for like three thousand
dollars so like not not like a huge huge bump
um but as i was picking up the copy i was
like i didn't reserve it and i was like hey
do you have any copies of warioware he's like
literally only one they only shipped us two
to sell and two for reserves and so like i i
don't know how you got lucky enough to grab
one and so of course the collector in my mind's
like should should i keep the seal to be you know
you know um but in reality it's like i can't
make decisions like that like i know nothing
about it you know so i just gotta stay out of it
as much as like the collector in me wants to like
collect everything i know i feel the same way
because like i've been looking at there's certain
listings that i've been looking at for a while
now and like they still haven't sold and i'm like
should i just do it should i just do it yeah
because because because uh like i've talked about
this before i i'm a real nerd for the horror genre
video games yeah but but it's like hypocritical
it's like silly because i can never play those
games i i'm i'm so scared to play those games
but i love watching people play it i love hearing
about it i love i love the stories behind it like
silent hill count rule of rose like fatal frame uh
resident evil i love all of those ips right and so
i would love to collect all of those things um but
like i've been trying to stay away from that too
like the collector in me i've been trying to
stay away from that just because it's like
well maybe let's see how that kind of pans out um
you know and see where the dust settles because
i don't know i don't know so so tom i'm i'm
interested to pick your brain a little bit
because like talking about like getting into
markets like emerging markets for collecting
like if you sort of like blow my mind with
like how correct you've been on stuff with
like marvel and disney and all this and
so it's like how did you strategize that
like what if how did you dip your toes in
there and then go full throttle with it
yeah well early on when we started this um
just looked at the data and noticed there
was a correlation where like if it's like
a sweet spot like 20 years 25 years it um
what was it i called evolutions before it blew up
right yeah yeah which thank you for that because
i bought a box on amazon for a hundred dollars
and then it blew up like a month later there's a
technique in data science it's called propensity
modeling you just put like all the variables
you got to put like quantitative variables
which can be hard and that's kind of what
like matt's alluding to like well what's
how do you decide to get into a market
uh usually like survey results i find interesting
like the one i posted on my page right now uh
some other companies some toy quality company like
look at google searches for different pokemon and
they look for uh who's over indexing the global
search so when you're thinking of places to invest
in yeah like matt's identified okay expedition's
pretty good well maybe you want to go gengar
expedition because apparently somebody's out there
searching for it hopefully it's not just math like
yeah it's driving the whole country but most
likely it's not uh then you really gotta think
about like what's out there that's already like a
cheat book like um for me like marvel was so easy
because for whatever reason marvel's marketing is
like let's hype up our next these movies over the
next 10 years okay then it's just going back
to sets like so and so was introduced here
okay get it all right well i think so-and-so
might pop up in this movie maybe you know
if they go with this storyline that's really
what's the best um yeah did you end up getting
any uh rookies tom did you get any candy
monkeys yeah yeah i drove up the evening
well the thing was it was already there it was
already on my radar and then loki forced my hand
and i was like oh my goodness no
like i'm now i'm like a hypocrite
because i told jess on the first podcast
where it's like i really don't get fomo
like i swear he wasn't gonna be in it at all
like no no way like even like actor jonathan
major was like i don't even know what
you're talking about but you know acting
yeah he was fantastic in it too my god
yeah it's like the rush to buy the seal
um of his first car russian bought the idea was
there it's like okay what if you had the chance to
invest in like thanos before you even happened
you know you're making crazy roi right now
that's where kang was at this point now i don't
know which versions they're going to go with
but yeah i'm pretty sure like you know
like search engine optimization people
are just going to search in kang so
i picked a bunch of tangs inserts
and stuff like that before he gets that push
even sometimes like matt saying like oh video
games i gotta stop it like so much gotta
stop me like i've done that with myself um
there's one that i passed on that i feel like and
it's a cartoon that matt and i always debate about
i'm probably going to lose like tons of followers
by not liking it because i'm going to stimpy guy
that's the spongebob guy there's spongebob tcg
out there yep they're just like oh it's so cheap
can i check the pop reports no one's grading ever
i was like probably mean no one's collecting them
so i might like possibly yeah i mean
spongebob's like a huge part of like the mean
zeitgeist you know exactly like
hit everything in my algorithm but
the final key piece was like do i actually like
it nah it's it's really surprised me the longevity
of of spongebob you know because one it was like
such a weird cartoon but loved it when i was a kid
um but on top of it it's like i don't know
like if you were spongebob people you know
they would they would air like one episode a year
like at a certain point like they have like a few
seasons and it's like all right guys the new
spongebob episode's finally coming in november
right and so and yet here now i mean you know
again i'm gonna sound like a boomer here but the
zoomers love spongebob i don't know what happened
like spongebob and shrek is what they're all about
you know yeah et cetera so true yeah i gotta i
gotta find that shrek rookie card somewhere yeah
i mean it's out there yeah uh i don't know just
like my career is trying to predict human behavior
so yeah this is a little bit more fun so so tom
do you have like a doomsday algorithm on like
what if it turns out that zoomers don't care
about physical media at all and like only care
about digital and that these cards are
worthless well i do and you know that
so i have a luke and natasha play on tops
collect aft um i mean the biggest i took
was probably panini stuff that's definitely
not going to blockchain anymore that app
but luckily we didn't buy anything it's all
free openings of packs and i let them um
like power level up on mystery box i figure i
would overthink it mystery box works is like you
got four options pick a box it could be a pack
of cards it could be some coins or it's a foul
or a fumble depending on the game you have
well yes i have um tops collect marvel tops
collect disney there's a star wars i haven't like
downloaded or got into but i sold one of those
i sold the hawkeye that i don't care about
for 10 bucks on ebay and it's like a free pack
that my one-year-old son opened up that's
gonna bite me if he really loves hawkeye
but it's interesting but
it's like that's not an mft
it's just a thing so it could be somebody
who's just being speculative like oh
any day they're gonna announce
this is an ft's on the blockchain
so would you do you do you have any nfts no
no no no i even passed on the spiderman one
i know people who did buy it and they said oh
that's the only nft they would ever get but i
thought about it i thought about it because it's
spider-man what really turned me off on it was
when gary v was like hyping up that he was gonna
do it on nft and he was sharing like these things
done in like microsoft pain and everybody thought
he was joking like what is this like making fun of
nft and then like he has an nft it's like like
we're being played yeah yeah i mean like the
second you know like when logan paul did his
second box break and like the bot the packs came
with an nft of him and i was like i'm out i'm i'm
out on nft six yeah yeah we're done i mean yeah
that squirtle on a skateboard like fire
nfp right there that's that's an inside
joke that no one listening to this podcast will
get but that's okay so i'm trying to i'm trying
to understand how like the thick nfts like the
thick pikachus and the thick charizards like
isn't like you can't sell you you like license
like you don't have the license yeah you know
how how are they not in trouble i guess throw
a booty on it that's the loophole you know
oh you know it's like it's like vanilla ice
and uh and queen you know it's like that little
thing that's what makes a difference
to this day to this day watching that vanilla ice
interview i was like are you serious right now
really really are you are you serious right now
he survived he did he did though he did yeah you
know it's funny looking back like like how he even
had to defend himself when now like all of rap is
just samples you know and it's like no one even
that's an eye at it no that's that's true that's
true that things have definitely been changed
but i mean even back then even back then when
when hip-hop was initially around like there were
a lot of dj's out there that were sampling the 70s
like that that's what they were doing is samples
but you know i i don't know i mean i mean so
so okay going back to you know what you were
talking about the rookie cards for marvel
because like i love talking about marvel and in
all the cool things that they've been doing like
with with disney in the mcu like they've been
killing it they've been doing a really good job
managing marvel managing the story like i've been
really entertained by it um so you've been buying
the rookie cards have you been buying comic
books have you been buying those key issues
no no because i think we're begging
on my father's garage collection
so our dad used to be a distributor of
comics oh okay yeah so uh luckily his
i think most of them survived the
hurricane whatever we got hit with
or like the garage flooded a little bit yeah the
only thing that died in that was steven's xbox
yeah yeah i mean we'd be lucky like our dad
was really geeky into collecting uh what was it
he was letting matt and like the other like
younger ones of our brothers open up kirsten
jungle fossil yep oh that's well he didn't
really know too much about pokemon because
he was telling them like hey if you get a
charizard hold it like uh yeah not in that set but
no no just like letting letting our kids open it
i know matt lets his kids open facts oh yeah mine
too um save a bunch of our collections right
here i'm i'm raising marcy to be a collector
and so like this is her box of stuff that she's
going to send off the psa yeah these are all
cards that she pulled herself um and so and she
loves and that's a great thing is that it's like
the relationship to the cards is different now
than it was when we were growing up because for
us it was like you know play the tcg and then
like destroy the cards you know and all that
but marcy like she's really interested in what
i'm doing with the cards and so like she sees
i do a lot of grading and so she wanted me to
get her a box for all the stuff she's gonna sub
you know so like just yesterday she
pulled like a alternate art blissey
yo you know this is the this is the first big hit
that she ever had uh professors research rainbow
i know my camera's not all that good but um
you know with that that was a pack that i got
her for her birthday last year and she was like
hey i want you to get me a pack so i can keep it
in my sealed collection i want to start a sealed
collection just like you this is a five-year-old
saying that oh yeah and then like two days later
she's like dad i want to open that pack it's a
single blister it's a single blister and she got
like a rainbow and so she's just been addicted
to ripping packs since then um but yeah it's
just awesome sharing the hobby with the kids
does she does she take in the hobby um does she
take in pokemon um like in in other ways too
like yeah watch the shows and yeah so she watched
she started with she started watching leonhardt
with me like back when we got back into it like in
2018 um and now uh then she started got into like
pokemon journeys which is like a great netflix
pokemon show i've been watching it yeah it's
fantastic oh my god the first episode where it
turns out the pichu was ash's pikachu yeah oh my
god it got me it got me um but yeah just now i'm
very proud she just started her first legitimate
pokemon journey so she's playing pokemon shield
um and she just today she got her fifth gym badge
um and that like once she started playing the game
she's just full tilt into it now and so it's like
we do you know we try to limit it so like she'll
play on like if it's not a school night she'll
play or switch and she just like grinds on pokemon
all the time so it's great yes gamer to my heart
oh yes that's awesome yeah i love that i love
that talking about all the collections that we
had as a kid so i have all the marvel chase sets
that everyone's looking for in complete sense so
the same thing like when marcy's gonna eventually
end up having is because she's open so much like
the complete sets of what people are looking for
is gonna be interesting over time so like marvel
wasn't like that much of a oh man i gotta start
go buying all this marvel to get into it like most
of it was thanks dad his cost not my cost but
he doesn't prepare me okay where's mike scott
yeah but uh well that's the thing you look at all
these people with these monster collections and
it's always just how early did you get in you know
like when we got our kids getting in at like four
you know so that's a good sign for them yeah so
i'm like i'm familiar with all the inserts from
those sets too so like modern marvel's pretty
interesting right now they're bringing back
all the 90s like sports type inserts so um and
every once in a while doing like a retro set they
call them buybacks within sets so it'll be like
versions of the cards i have a complete set on
and marvel upper deck will buy it back from you if
you don't want it so it's like okay so i know like
i've held on to those things uh so think about
like precious metal gems uh jambalayas super rares
epic rares uh numbered cards everything i was
complaining about like it'd be really cool pokemon
would do this like marvel's doing it up upper deck
does it um because upper deck has the licensing
for flear i learned that my podcast uh somebody
on upper deck was on one of the marvel ones
and so they won it when sleer went bankrupt so
they have all the rights to those fleer sets flare
oh nice insert so matt likes hockey uh so all
the hockey inserts they go to marvel as well
uh black diamonds a crazy premier type set
uh for marvel it was uh six hundred dollars
one pack one pack but everything in the
pack is a hit and it was themed to mcu
so you could get you know christine's work
photographs uh material used in the movies
those are huge what's the worst you could
rip there is that like a 60 ball like oh yeah
like a i bought one on e-pack so e-pack is
more discounted than actual physical product
so but then they can ship to you the worst
i got in that pack was um and it'd be like
the box hit in like any of the base set marvels
the modern ones this thing for like a diamond
facet it's like a manufactured patch and it was
baby groot and then you divide that by how much
the pack cost and how many cards you got in
like no one's going to buy for i mean look
that's not as bad as when you pulled that uh
that auto of the violinist from spider-man 3
seriously tell her what followed up though in
the next the next couple of past oh okay so in
the next so he got this box that only had like
two good hits right and the first hit is like
the violinist from like this random scene
in the movie and then after that wasn't it
a one of one stan lee or like a stanley auto or
something not numbered but stanley on the card
yeah yeah on card auto still worth it right now
absolutely worth it that's got to be one of the
best things if not the best thing but i mean
he brings up like a really good risk in marvel
especially if you go to mcu like mcu
they target like casual collectors
so the press points introduces you to
what disney wants the character to be like
uh there's been some autos i've been
embarrassed to share with matt so like
i opened up a box of far from home so spiderman
too and i got an auto of one of his classmates
oh and then it's like okay do i do i bank on
like some kid to get into a bigger movie and
then play halloween but that is like
that is the box hit and it's like come on
well who knows i mean like phase 27 of the
mcu could be that kid having his own movie
multi-verses yeah exactly what if yeah
that's everyone in the spider-man movies
is a version of spider-man that's
what disney's gonna be that's cool
that's cool oh man oh that's cool so then so then
okay so we're talking about spider-man i love
spider-man into the verse what's your
favorite version of spidey from that one
from the movie itself yeah yeah like okay the card
yeah uh nick cages the noir spider-man i'm i'm a
peter porter fan yeah i love john mullaney he he
crushed it but it's just because like the way that
they portrayed in the movie is nothing like how
he is in the comics oh no no not at all he was
playing more comedically yeah yeah yeah because
the newer comics are supposed to be very serious
right yeah right and then they played off of that
um in the movie that movie was so great i loved it
i loved that movie but but then outside of that
film what what's your who's your favorite version
of spider-man oh just just classic just classic
peter parker yeah yeah it's too hard what's
interesting about into the spider verse uh just
like how deep i go like collecting for natasha
i wanted to get her like the first spider gwen
from like where she would know it from so mm-hmm
yeah she watched it this week so now instead of
calling her ghost spider she calls her spider
vinegar because she plays with spiders here
but i found these uh amc only trading cards
that you could get for like limited time
so they're pretty cool uh they're oversized
though so it's like the size of two cards
but psa maybe can grade them for but yeah so
they do a set for that movie though so maybe
because it was a sony movie i don't know
interesting stuff yeah she's
made me buy a lot of ghost spider
collection i did a trade on i did a trade on
e pack i traded a sketch card which is like
sometimes a case hit depending on who the artist
is they're all one of one i traded it for uh
somebody's whole like spider-gwen collection
that they had all done inserts all the bases and
the guy like kept responding through me through
message like what are you doing like don't trade
away your only tradable item so you can have a
chat messenger with them yeah my daughter likes
this that's what i'm gonna do he's like okay well
i'm just gonna trade you a sketch card throw it in
the right way too so you don't lose anything like
that they're talking to other collectors they just
think i'm somebody who like fast anchored
or maybe they think they're talking to her
yeah yeah for sure for sure oh my gosh so i i was
gonna say you you mentioned something earlier tom
that you know has really been a head scratcher
for me um you're talking about how you know
pokemon is refusing to do like numbered cards you
know and and limiting rarity and things like that
and i don't understand like pokemon the pokemon
company's difference in attitude towards like the
english market and the japanese market um because
like if you look at something like right now like
the i have like speculative investments and stuff
but like modern charizards i feel like until they
start numbering modern charizards it's going to
be cataclysmic for people who are like investing
heavy in these and thinking that it's going to be
like their retirement um because they're just so
so heavily printed and you know then i look at
okay well why why won't they just number and my
initial thought is like well they don't care about
the secondary market at all right but then you
look at what they do in japan you know with like
incredibly limited printing like these high class
boxes like the 25th anniversary in in japan versus
english i think it's like the greatest kind of
like dichotomy of these two mindsets of like how
to treat a set it's where it's like celebrations
is getting printed to hell and it is you know
when it popped up if i sent a mini tommy and
our other brother bill who does uh uh collecting
as well uh we have a group chat i sent a group
chat that was like ah red alert you know like
you can get celebrations on gamestop right now
and it was so easy to get like it i there was no
like oh a bot's going to snipe me like you know
it's just like i was very easily easily capable of
getting a collection box and a couple episodes no
bots no no lotteries yeah and then you look at
you look at the 25th anniversary over in japan
um the cheapest the absolute cheapest i can get it
for like on my japanese amazon account is 300. for
a product that i think is retailing for like
49 bucks over in japan you know and then you
know they're not going to reprint and so it's like
it's so interesting to me that they really treat
like the collectible secondary market with like a
lot of like respect in japan and like try to build
it there when in reality it's like in japan like
they they play the card game far more than we do
right and so that's where it's like as far as
like my speculative investments now it's like
i'm going really heavy like if it's anything
modern i'm pretty much only going heavy for
japanese cards um because it's like you have arts
that will never appear again in english you have
cards that are severely limited in printing um you
know like looking at just like a couple over here
so these are both from uh tag all-stars gx
right so i have my cgc perfect 10 reds challenge
an artwork that was never printed in english that
unless they throw it in celebrations i don't see
where it's coming back in english um and then we
also have a 9.5 of misty and lorelai uh tag team
a type that they don't do anymore this art never
came out in english they don't really have any
plans for it and so it's like stuff like that i
call it a speculative investment i ripped these
from packs you know i ripped them from packs
and grated myself and so like wasn't really
like a lot of money in but it's like these
are the only modern pokemon cards i really
have that much faith in right now you know um
so i was wondering kind of like what you think
about that like do you think that there's like
a future of pokemon to like change how they do
printing in english or is the collector's
world really just sort of like in japanese
well my point of view on it
and what's interesting is
every time like i've ranted about that like in my
captions or comments like upper deck will like it
i don't know if like upper decks like pitching
stuff like that to them i think probably the
market's ready for more of like an artistic
collector set yeah it's a no-brainer to me i just
think like probably where they're apprehensive
about it is that like we're getting all this new
like sales from for the tcg of non-players like is
it all of a sudden gonna tank and move forward to
something that now we're paying also
with upper deck or they're paying us
like that's what i think the hold up is um
i mean let's like what's happening so the reason
why earlier jess i was asking about like oh are
those raw or graded prices just to try and see
what the ceiling is where are they tracking to
like the same thing's going on with marvel
pngs where it's like if spider-man a pmg
in almost any condition goes for thousands
of dollars grading it goes through the roof
and so it goes more than we talk about
like the rookie cards or the first editions
like imagine what like numbered and actual real
inserts nothing that's printed so high to use in a
trading game right yeah a game that limits you to
four of each artwork right that's why i'm worried
about print counts which you are true seriously
then all of a sudden like if you introduce even
a charizard that's numbered to 199 which is the
highest print count of a pmg that goes for the
roof when it's graded depending on the character
it's like i don't know it's going to burn a lot
of people in the community you're going to have
people who swear by the first edition charizard
and then you're going to have people who swear by
well this only 199 printed like i can prove to you
it's not in a vault and gary's yeah there is
there's no there's no hidden supply anywhere
it can all of a sudden hit the market and and
make a huge impact and move now what happens with
printing and then i'm noticing and just thinking
about it now and i'm worried a little bit about
like the longevity of my marvel sealed stuff is
that when the chase cards get pulled what does
that do to the value of the box i have stored like
say all the green pngs which are numbered to 10
of spiderman get pulled in a set that
i have sealed my box is worthless yeah
yeah yeah because you're not chasing the fragment
anymore he's gone yeah he's already been pulled
that's so true pretty easy for people to
research that just go to the pop reports
101. already here okay all right so so in that
case i'm i'm glad i kept an uh evolving skies
box sealed because it's like who knows you'll get
rayquaza you'll never know how many of them are
so true honestly i still i have two boxes two
booster boxes from evolving skies and i haven't
opened them yet and i don't i don't know that i
will because like i i don't need to open boxes
so i'm like it might be interesting just to kind
of see it play out a little bit i don't know yeah
i don't know that's an interesting thing the one
i opened for myself i got the sylveon alternate
art so that was nice but that is amazing but we we
broke one on my channel and then i opened one for
myself and no form of rayquaza came out in either
box so like not even like rayquaza v basic yeah so
here it is like in our sample size of three how
many sealed evolving skies do we think we have
so i have one etp sale and one booster
box sealed you have two booster boxes
i got actually just down to one booster box
two etvs uh both of the pokemon center one
right but it's like how many people you
know they just they'll sit on a case
yeah but you know the interesting thing to me
is that i look at the sports market and i see
something like uh like a zion psa 10 base that has
like seventeen thousand tens and it's still and it
still sells for height you know and so it's like
i wonder if at a certain point if it's so popular
you know do the pops not matter as much because
everyone wants it you know yeah exactly demanding
change the definition of like what i actually is
like not everything's going to go for thousands
of dollars it's not supposed to do that if
i saw a card for 500 and it's like a psa 10
that's pretty good you know i think that's where i
see like everything kind of leveling out over time
and that's not bad i mean it's bad if
you bought like a shiny v charizard
yeah price point is important yeah yeah yeah
absolutely absolutely i couldn't i couldn't
agree more on that and i mean the other
thing too is like you know what's okay so
what's the difference of being a seal collector
versus like an individual card collector right
you know the at least for vintage right now for
that those sealed collections they're never going
to go up those populations are always going to
go down right and so i mean of course it plays a
little bit differently now with modern because
they can just do simple reprints and i mean
you know whether or not that actually makes sense
for them to do that um you know i i don't know if
it you know i don't i don't know how that i don't
know how they think i don't know how they go about
making those decisions i have no idea but i mean
but i mean even still the other thing to keep in
mind too is is with modern is they see they saw
what sealed product did for vintage so now there's
more sealed collectors too so you also have to
kind of keep that in mind and then it also makes
your individual cards more risky because it's
like okay so now that there's more seal collectors
you know if people start opening those up over
time or they'll start hitting the market over
time you know those pops can always go up you know
and that's like a huge catch 22 because it's like
you know as myself like i have very good hands as
a sealed collector like i won't touch it you know
um i know that not not very many people have the
same self-control that i do with it right and so
the the problem is is that i get no matter what
i end up getting screwed by someone else's lack
of self self control because it's like even if my
boxes aren't getting open they're opening theirs
and then boom there goes the pops you know yeah
yeah absolutely absolutely what's going to be
interesting and it's like a what-if scenario so
you know netflix is going to pump out a bunch of
live-action focus like what stories are they going
to tell is this going to be and it's something
matt and i always joke about is like or more of
like our older brother picks us picks on lots for
is like he'll be like oh what's the equivalent
of charizard dropping a triple double tonight
i think that's probably closest to it right
because that's what happened with marvel
that's what marvel started blowing up once won the
vision so yeah like oh man if you actually invest
in storytelling this is cool brought a bunch of
new disney people into it like oh how do i get
you know the first wanda car the first whis guard
like are they going to push other stories other
trainers and you know maybe you got that sealed
you're lucky enough yeah it helps the pops people
yeah pokemon i choose you you know it's like i
don't think anyone cared about marshadow at all
you know and then marshadow played such a
huge role in that that's like now that's a
pokemon that people collect yeah yeah yeah that
that that's another variable that you always
that you always have to consider so
and then you can connect reverses
and here's my biased pitch to netflix think about
defensive pokemon they have endless possibilities
think of one that can create juices
and turtle like and enjoy the beach
oh my gosh so i feel really terrible because i
have to cut this conversation because i have a
last minute thing that came up i feel stupid um
and and i really want to keep this conversation
going y'all i think we need to do a part two
because there are so much that we haven't unfolded
yet and something that i've been wanting to bring
up because we've been kind of talking about it but
you know another creator that's brought up a
lot of the things that we talk about it which
is reserved investments and we haven't even
talked about him and how much you know content
you you guys have observed of him but um shucks i
i wish we could go on for longer because there's
so much that we can talk about so we'll have to
coordinate if you guys are interested but but
before we before we hang up i mean let everyone
know where they can find y'all and ask questions
and follow up on these conversations
we've been having yeah tom go ahead yep
so uh instagram's the best way to get a
hold of me pancake underscore analytics
yep and for me um i'm just gonna spell it out
because i made the stupid decision long ago to
have like a handle that no one knows how to spell
so i'm ferrara tron underscore pokemon if you're
having trouble figuring it out it's like megatron
but my last name so it's uh f-e-r-r-a-r-a t-r-o-n
underscore pokemon i thought about a rebrand at
some point but i don't think it's gonna happen
people are just gonna call me ferrothorn forever
oh my god that's hilarious no i think you should
keep it i love it i don't know i love it but it's
unique it's unique exactly so um anyways y'all i
appreciate you coming on and and let's follow up
and let's do a really let's do more of this um
100 but thank you so much for everyone that's been
on the live this has been great um
and i hope you enjoy disney dude
get out there with the kids so anyways
y'all i appreciate it alright guys bye
you