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John Sanei is a 4 time bestselling author, co-host of The Expansive podcast, keynote speaker and future strategist. John has been helping others learn to be adaptable and resilient so that they may thrive in an ever changing world.
This is a great episode of the Silvercore Podcast which delves into how our perceptions today can affect what we can achieve tomorrow.
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We've had some spectacular guests
on the show in the past
and today is no exception.
I'm joined by a four time
bestselling author and specialist
in Human Science, Neuroscience,
Quantum Technology and Futurism.
Welcome to the
Silvercore Podcast, John. Sonny.
Thank you so much.
Wonderful to be here with you
and thank you for having me on.
Coming all the way from Dubai,
this is quite the time difference here.
I think it's 730 in the morning for me
and about the same time at night.
For you over there? Exactly.
Exactly.
12 hours apart.
Exactly. On the dot.
You know, we were talking about this
previously and like,
what is a guy from a show about firearms
and hunting?
What are you talking with a futurist?
What value am I going to bring over?
And had a good laugh about that.
But, man, you've got some amazing content.
So, you know,
might as well just get out of the way.
You've got a podcast
called The Expansive. Yes.
If people haven't heard of it,
they should.
I mean, you guys broke some records
last year.
I think what you were ranked.
You and Eric Kruger, top five
top four global
and most shared globally on Spotify
and top one 1.5%
top podcast on Apple.
So some good stats there.
Also actually quite surprising to us.
It was really good that we got those stats.
why surprising.
You know, I think
we just are busy researching
and trying to add value to the world.
We we're not tracking these things,
you know what I mean?
And in fact, late last year
we were planning
to rethink our podcast
and think about new things and new names.
And then all of a sudden Spotify sent us
the rap
You know that year end rap
and it's all of us are in the top 5%.
And both Eric and I were like, Seriously,
That's unbelievable.
We didn't
we didn't expect it to be at that level.
Right?
And we actually looked up
some other podcasts that we liked
and we saw them share
and they weren't in the top 5%.
And we were we were quite surprised.
So pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, they kind of blew me away.
When I look at these things,
it means you're on the right path anyways.
There's yes,
you know, when we're talking before you,
like what does a guy like me
get to bring to you?
And just for the audience,
I think you know, a little bit
we'll talk a little bit
about what it is that you do.
But through your podcast,
through social media, we'll put link
links up to this and the description
so people can kind of check it out.
You have some very well thought out ideas
and opinions on how to deal
with adversity, how to be optimistic,
how to unlearn and relearn meditation.
You know, I've spent enough time out
in remote wilderness areas
in a very contemplative state
to come to the conclusion
that there seems to be
some sort of natural order to things.
things seemed to resonate on
on a level that if you're attuned to it
and able to pick up on it,
you can interact
with your natural environment
in a better way.
You can interact with others
in a better way.
And even though that might not necessarily
be your world
of hunting and firearms,
that's only a small portion of me.
And I think that we're
all very interconnected,
whether it's us as humans
or us as animals on this planet
in kind of a unique way in
some of the things that you're talking
about really resonate with me in
what I've noticed out in nature.
So that was sort of what compelled me.
Wonderful. Thank you so much.
And you're so right.
You know, I think I think we've forgotten
the symbiosis that is happening
naturally between us and reality,
let alone us in nature.
And how nature has evolved
over the last billions of years
is really a very patient,
wise and relaxed approach to reality.
And it seems as though over the last
200 years we've been bamboozled
by shiny objects
and have driven ourselves to sickness
and death and disease to chase
some ridiculous notion of goal out there.
And the media machine has been
in overdrive driving these messages to us.
And so I just have I've had to break out
of that that that cycle myself.
And I was very much stuck in it
in my twenties.
And coming out of that,
I feel a responsibility to a certain
extent to try and help as many other
people realize that it isn't the only way.
And it's just a unfortunate programing
that we've got ourselves stuck into.
So you're very wisely
have noted that when you're out in nature,
it becomes quite obvious.
When we come back into the cities,
we almost get
caught up in the rat race again.
And as the saying goes,
if you win the rat race,
you're still a rat.
Yeah,
that's a good saying
Actually, I've heard it differently
about arguing on the Internet,
but it's not quite as politically correct
as that.
That's, I guess I do like that one.
So, you know, we've
we're coming out of COVID.
We're coming out of what I saw
in my spheres in my environment,
because while I am interested
in the outdoors and hunting
and I wouldn't call myself a gun guy,
even though other people look at me
and they say, Trav, you’re a gun guy
I've seen a fear in people
of what's
happening around them in the world.
I've seen people wanting to be prepared
and recognizing their lack
of preparedness.
And so in the outdoors industry,
you saw a lot of people
just clamoring towards finding
courses or products that will help them
survive in the in the outdoors.
But I've always been a very firm believer
that it doesn't matter what you buy
if you don't have the right mindset
to be able
to use the tools available
and around you, you're kind of lost.
And that's where your area of expertise
is, is in dealing
with that mindset and those those tools.
What do you feel about that?
So yeah, yeah, look,
I think there's a panic in the world
and I think that if we think
about any transformation
that we going through,
whether we want to lose weight,
change careers,
or just think about the transformation
that humanity is going through
at the moment, it's a massive, massive
undertaking of change
that's happening all around us.
And there's always three phases
to the hero's journey of change.
There's the sadness where we have to leave
the shore of familiarity.
Sometimes we have to leave our identities
and often
we've spent hundreds of thousands
of dollars and years and years
developing these identities,
developing this level of knowledge
and the portal, the pandemic portal
has pushed us out of this comfort zone
that we were in,
even though it was very hectic
and very driven by fear and anxiousness,
it was still a comfort zone
to a certain extent.
We kind of had some level
of certainty of the future and coming
out of the pandemic, we realized
that there is really no certainty.
There is really
a total unknown ahead of us.
And so we have to deal with the sadness.
And many people, if not most people,
avoid sadness at all costs.
And the problem is when we avoid sadness,
it shows up as anger.
There's a great saying that says,
I sat with my anger
long enough
until she told me her name was grief.
And right.
The idea that when we don't process
certain emotions,
they bubble up as other emotions
and if you think about some cultures
in the world, I'm in the Middle East.
But if you think about Arab
men and Russian men in general,
and I don't want to generalize totally,
but they seem quite angry
just from just from their culture,
just the way they talk.
And the reason is, is that their culture
doesn't allow them to process sadness.
There's no such thing in that culture
to process sadness.
So first off, we have two types of people
in the world right now.
We have very sad people
and very angry people
because the carpet's being pulled out,
pulled out
out of our feet, under our feet,
and we don't know what the future is.
Now, the second phase of transformation
is the wilderness,
the strangeness, this new world
that isn't quite the world
it used to be, and
it isn't quite the world it's going to be.
And we are still
old versions of ourselves,
and we find ourselves
bewildered in this new world.
Now, the problem is,
is that you haven't processed sadness.
You're arriving angry,
you're arriving frustrated.
You're not actually arriving curious.
You're not actually arriving.
Open minded to take in any new information
because you're in survival mode,
because you haven't gone
through the emotional process
of processing those emotions
to come to a place
where you can become optimistic
about all this change.
Now, I'm just
I'm going to I'm going to keep going
and then you can stop me if you want.
But the third. Oh, go on.
Okay.
The third
phase of transformation is adventure.
And eventually
we always get to an adventure
because that's how the hero's journey
works.
You're going through a downfall,
a recreation of yourself,
and then into a process in time
where you start to enjoy and celebrate
this new version of yourself.
And then again, what happens?
Winter arrives, the leaves
fall off the trees,
everything dies, and then we go up back
into spring and summer.
And this is a cycle that goes on
continuously in our lives, in the world,
in economics, in
pretty much everything that we think about
is not in a linear line, but in a cycle.
Now, the problem is,
is that for the last 200 years
we have been indoctrinated and programed
into the Industrial Revolution,
which is all about one straight line.
There's
no cycles in the economies of scale.
It's about profitability
and harvesting at every quarter.
There's no downtime, there's no
relaxation, there's no time for sadness.
Please get over yourself,
get on with the mission
because you have quarterly profits
to get to.
You have a deadline to achieve.
And so for the last 200 years,
we've been programed into this idea
that we're part of a production line,
we've been part of a system,
and the better we fit into the system,
the more successful we become.
The system is called schooling,
organizations, and even religion.
The better
you are at the system, the better you are.
The following the rules, the better
We think we will come out
now when we fit into a system
that is driven by deadlines.
And many religions are driven by guilt,
not love as much as they'd like to think
they're driven by love, We realize that
what this has done to our brains is
that it's got us addicted to a brainwave
called a high beta brainwave.
Now, what a high beta brainwave says to
our body is that we're in danger.
And when we are in danger,
the way we prepare is through a process
of adrenaline and focus on an absolute
outcome in a very selfish manner.
Because why? we are in survival mode
to achieve, not to rest,
not to relax, not to curate, not to collate,
but to achieve and harvest at all costs.
Now the whole world is both sad
and strange and addicted to high beta.
And you can see this
and you can see this
because the medical industry
is almost tripled in value
in the last ten years.
And you can see that
most people are medicating away.
This level of anxiousness and you'll see
that everybody is a wine specialist.
No, they're not. They're just alcoholics.
They think they telling us
they wine specialists and a
connoisseur of whiskey
and marijuana is just so good for,
you know, actually happening.
Is we numbing ourselves
because we don’t know what else to do?
Exactly. We just don't know.
So we think it's a socially acceptable
way to numb ourselves.
And so this is really the beginning
point of my research is to try
and connect the dots
between the neuroscience of anxiousness
and where we are in economic terms
and where we are in the cycle of humanity,
and start to unravel this for people
to try and get them to understand
there is a way out.
But first and foremost,
we must become as become aware
of what cycle we're in
and what's happened to us.
Did you have an aha moment
where all of a sudden you're like,
I've got to make a change
because you're saying that
in your twenties,
you're addicted to certainty
and you're addicted to the certain way of
of living
or was this a gradual progression
that you just found yourself further
and further outside of the norm.
Um, you know,
I come from a single mom family and
we were always financially challenged
as many single family mom families are,
and I was very frustrated
by not having the financial means
that all my friends had.
And so
I started working from a very young age,
and I, I worked like an absolute donkey.
I mean, I worked so hard.
And by the time I was in my twenties,
I was a multi-millionaire.
I had six restaurants and three retail
stores and 28 vending machines
at shoe distribution businesses.
I mean, I was unstoppable.
And I often joke
that high levels of testosterone
and lots of money
are a horrible formula for disaster
because you think you're bulletproof,
but you're really not bulletproof.
Right?
Especially in your twenties
when you think you have all the answers
of the world already.
sorted
And the first break in my in
my sort of trajectory was bankruptcy.
At 31 years old, I, I lost my businesses.
I lost my house, I lost my car.
I often joked that I had to change my name
to Carlos because I had no car,
I had no house.
I mean, everything was gone right.
At least I could joke about it.
Yeah, of course.
No, look, in hindsight
I can joke about it, but trust me,
when I was there it was quite a pitiful situation.
Sure, that was the first break.
And what has started happening to me
is I started realizing that I was unhappy
when I didn't have money
because I just wasn't
because I just didn't have money.
And then when I had started
having a lot of money,
all I needed was a little bit more.
And then when I had
no money again, I was unhappy again
and I was just constantly unhappy.
And in my second book,
I started off with a line that says,
Are you running away from the darkness
or are you running towards the light?
I like that line, many yeah,
and many people are.
And from the outside
it looks exactly the same. Right?
But one is driven
by and fueled by anxiousness
and the other one is fueled by excitement.
Most people are driven by running away,
not running towards.
And you can also run away for so long.
Yeah, but there's also a stigma associated
with it, too, because people
maybe they want to change their
their position or their lot
or they're not happy with where they are
and they see something more desirable
they want to move towards.
And they're like, Well, I want to give up.
I mean, I don't want to be viewed
as somebody who's giving up.
I'm already down this path.
I just if I just put my my nose
to the grindstone and keep plugging away.
But that little shift in mentality,
are you giving up
or are you actually running away
from something or are you running towards
something more desirable?
And I really like that framing.
And I think that framing that you have
in your book there helps a lot of people.
Absolutely.
I mean, it is the difference
between building wealth
and running yourself sick, trying to make
some sort of success for yourself.
It's a and building happy money, right?
It's a huge difference.
Okay.
Talk about happy money,
because that's an interesting concept.
You know, happy money is
when you are not always driven
by comparison and not driven
by a sense of lack, a sense of insecurity.
Now. Look, there's
a lot of lot of rich people out there
that are driven by insecurity.
I have a billionaire friend
and I had dinner with him
many, many years ago
when he first became a billionaire.
And I asked him
what his relationship with money was like.
And he said to me, No, John,
secretly, I'm poor every morning.
And I thought to myself, you know, why?
Why would you want to have that much money
and still be poor?
Like, what's what's the...
When do you arrive
like when do you actually relax.
And so what we've done is
we are celebrating restlessness.
We're celebrating this constant run.
Rockefeller was once asked,
How much is enough?
Look at how much money you have.
Apparently, a reporter asked.
It was like,
when are you going to have enough here?
How much more do you need?
And he answered, His answer was,
Just $1 more, always just $1 more.
And exactly.
I remember growing up
and I learned to swim at a friend's house.
They had a swimming pool.
They were very affluent.
Father was a dentist.
He was my dentist.
I learned to ride horses
sort of on on their property.
And I mean, they got multiple properties
in the states of which he's
gladly says hey Trav, if you want.
Go, go.
Stay at them.
And we've stayed with some of them.
And I remember sitting in the dentist's
chair in my early twenties,
late teens, early twenties, I'm like,
So what's it like to be rich?
And he says, You know, the more money
you have,
the more bills you have right there.
You have more, you spend more.
It's all the same, though.
And that was his perspective, and
I thought that was kind of interesting.
Were you happy?
I think we...
In your twenties, when you're really achieving?
I was in fleeting moments
when I was in my sports car.
I mean, that was kind of,
you know, I had muscles a sports car
and it was convertible.
I mean, what else would a 25, 28 year
old guy need in his life, right?
Mm hmm.
I guess I was.
But, you know,
now that I'm 47 and I have money,
but I have a very simple life,
I'm quite content.
I am very comfortable
and I have happy money
because I'm patient with the process.
I know everything's a process in achieving
what I would need to achieve.
And I have new ways to measure my success
and that un ending Chase,
that's driven by anxiousness.
And the high beta brainwave is something
people think is normal
and it's something people are celebrating
and it's actually causing sickness
because when your body's got adrenaline fueling through it, 24 hours a day.
365 what do you think
your body's going to do?
It's like it's like being on the highway
and driving in the second gear
at 200 kilometers an hour.
What do you think is going to happen
to your engine? Your engine is going to seize
Right. So I think I think it's a maturing.
And because I didn't have a dad showing me
the ropes, I just had no clue, man.
I just had I just needed acknowledgment.
I just needed people
to tell me how great I was
because I never got that from a dad.
So there was a whole mix of things.
So the first break
was my first bankruptcy,
and that began
my process of self-discovery
and finding out
what was driving my behavior.
And for the for my thirties,
I went through an extensive amount
of shamanic work, meditation
retreats, silent retreats, body healing.
I just did so much of that.
And then I got married in between.
And then at 40, I got divorced
and that was the second break
in my sort of in my in my emotional state.
And that really started to begin me
moving to the place I am right now.
And I only really started
speaking and working with organizations
and writing books and becoming faculty
at these universities.
Post 40 after the second break.
And so I've had two major breaks,
and both of them have really cracked me
open in many ways. And that's
kind of got me to this place now.
You know, people could become addicted
to that feeling of certainty,
to the feeling of
being stuck in the rat race.
Like they'll pick up the phone
if they don't have that energy come in
and they'll turn on the TV.
They'll view that for a couple of seconds.
There seems to be an addiction
that people have that
I find being outdoors in
a meditative state will help a lot.
But there could also I know some people
who are addicted to the failure as well.
when you talk about those breaking points
because they learn so much afterwards
that they push themselves so hard
until they come to a point
where they break and they're now forced
to have to rebuild themselves?
And I've got a couple of friends
like that as well.
And it's it's funny that
that addictiveness
to safety that some have and
while others push so far that they know
the inevitable outcome of their push
is going to be going over the brink
and having a figure out a scramble back up.
Well, you know,
I think again, let's just think about
what our personalities made up of.
Our personalities made up of
how we think, how we act and how we feel.
And excuse me.
And if we think about how our brains work.
Science has recently proven
that we have somewhere between
60 and 70,000 thoughts a day.
And of those 60 and 70,000 thoughts a day,
90% of them are the same from when
were 35 years old.
Our brain has solidified itself
into a personality,
a persona, a set of values and habits.
By the time we 35 And now what happens
for the rest of our lives?
This 90% of repetition thoughts recreate
situations, people and patterns.
And so now what we find in ourselves
is that we keep
recreating the same issues
and we don't know why.
Why do you always have a girlfriend
that cheats on you?
Why do you always have a boss
that's not a good guy?
Why do you always get a business partner
that isn't working out?
Why do you always have?
Why do you always have?
It's just it's a repetition.
And I don't know if they actually trying
to go and breaking themselves.
I don't know if they trying
to go through that process.
I think it's a set persona and personality
that's been hardwired into their brains
that they don't know how to break out of.
How do people break out of that?
Because that's one of the things
that you help people do. now.
Yeah. Look.
So so the thing is, this is, you know,
all my keynotes, all my workshops,
all my interviews, 90% of it is context
is for us to understand what has happened,
firstly is to accept
where we are at the moment
and give us all an understanding
that we all pretty much in the same boat.
This is how our brains work.
It's, it's weird because it actually
it feels like the brain is ancient.
You know, the software is so outdated.
It just doesn't it's not built
for adaptability.
It's built for safety, right?
So we really have to evolve
our consciousness.
We have to evolve of our beingness to be
able to become okay with uncertainty.
So now how do we do that?
Now, there's two ways that we have seen
through scientific research,
through brain scans,
that show us our brain in a state of high
beta where there's absolute adrenaline
pushing through
and our brains in a state of low
beta and high alpha,
which is the state
that gets us to celebrate uncertainty
and gets us to become creative, open
minded and imaginative.
And those two things are psychedelics
and meditation,
and those are the two only things
that we are seeing at the moment
that gives our brain a reset,
gives our brain an opportunity
to unwire and un-fire
the personality traits that we have
embedded and concretized into our brains.
Now, when you look at the brain
under a brain scan,
under both of those scenarios,
it's relaxed.
And when your brain is relaxed,
it can rewire and refire
new thoughts, new habits and new values.
And ultimately,
where we need to reach as human beings
is get ourselves to state on a daily basis
of a calm heart and a clear mind.
And what high beta does
is exactly the opposite.
It gets us to have a flattering heart
and a busy mind,
and we've almost come to think
and celebrate.
The busier your heart is,
the more flattering your heart is,
the more confused and busy your mind is.
Well done. That means you’re busy.
That means you’re driving
and you operating at a high level.
But really, that's not what the future
requires.
That future requires
a new version of who we are.
Interesting.
So I've got a friend and he's ex-British
Special Forces and he fought his
first bareknuckle boxing fight at the O2
Arena over in London there.
So professional fight, raising money
for heroic hearts
and heroic hearts deals with
psilocybin and psychedelic
use for PTSD in veterans and in soldiers.
And he's done a lot of research on
He gave me a book on it
He says, You should read this,
and I never did read it.
Finally,
he’s like just watch the Netflix show.
It's got all the information on there.
Yeah,
but you know, there is a natural aversion
based on cultural norms to psychedelics,
but meditation has
a high acceptability rate
in some parts of the world.
MM In some parts
it doesn't, no, of course, of course.
Some places it's like people are saying,
What are you talking about?
I mean they, they attach meditation
to sandal wearing, lentil eating, man,
bun people, you know, with baggy pants.
Right.
So yes, it's not accepted
in some parts of the world.
But also remember that conformity is what
we've been celebrated for in our society.
You know, conform and be celebrated.
Go to church and be celebrated.
Drink alcohol and be celebrated.
Take Ritalin, take Prozac.
And you’re Great.
But smoke a joint.
Oh, my God.
God forbid
you're going off the rails. Hmm.
Now think about the construct
of how society is being built.
Is that anything that helps you heal
and open your consciousness is illegal.
And everything that is dumbing us down
like sugar, like alcohol,
like pharmaceuticals, is legislated
for us to take
and prescribed
to us through a medical foundation
that's built into our brain that says,
this is okay, that's not okay.
Very interesting.
And there's I mean, you can extrapolate
that all the way to the tinfoil hat side.
But, you know, one thing I've noticed
is these people with the and we do an air
brackets here for people who are listening
who are wearing the tinfoil hats.
Yeah.
A lot of the things that they've been
talking about really isn't that crazy.
It's all in hindsight, right?
Yeah.
I mean, think about aliens, right?
I mean, they talking about aliens
all this time in the last 20 years,
all of a sudden we're like,
Oh, yeah, of course there's aliens.
I mean, I mean, ten years ago, people off
the world would be like, Are you crazy?
Now? It's like, Yeah, yeah.
It's just a matter of time
for them to come meet us.
You know?
All of a sudden the tonalities changed.
Yeah.
And why do you think that is?
Well, I mean, I mean, it depends how deep
you want to go into it, but what I do
think is that
consciously on a mass
consciousness level, we're getting ready
to engage with them, because if we believe
they're out there, we think we out there,
we we want to engage with them.
We're not scared of them.
Then they arrive more easily
and think about how our imagination works.
And as Einstein said,
he said, imagination is more important
than knowledge
is the forthcoming attractions to life.
And we have not been taught
how to use our imagination correctly
because we use our imagination
in the worst way possible.
It's called anxiousness,
where we catastrophize the future
rather than think about it
in optimistic ways.
And we are constantly
using our imagination
because think about this
Have you ever wanted to buy a new car?
And then you see that car everywhere?
Yeah, that happens, right?
Yeah, of course it happens to all of us.
And what about that idiot that you don't
like that you see at the grocery store?
You see him at the traffic light,
you see him at the gym, you keep bumping into him
There he is again.
There he is again and again.
This is our imagination.
And so we don't give enough kudos
to our imagination because why imagination
gets us to fit out, not fit in the system
required us to fit in.
It wasn't about your curiosity,
fascination and imagination.
It was about follow these rules
and conform and you'll be celebrated.
And so again,
think about how our imagination
is changing around alien interaction
with the filtering of news
starting to change.
Two years ago,
when the COVID was happening, we get oh,
yes, the Pentagon is releasing papers
that, yes, it's been engaging with.
Oh, yeah.
And there's a general from Israel
talking about all of these alien engagements
Oh, yeah.
And then there's a Canadian minister
talking and all of a sudden
CNN is talking about,
Oh, yeah, yeah, this this is normal.
Well, hang on a second.
What do you mean this is normal?
This wasn't normal just six months ago.
Now it's normal.
So we are preparing ourselves for it,
you know,
And I think that's also something
we need to look at on a mass scale,
what's happening to our mass
consciousness around that topic.
So that
that idea of mass consciousness,
I think is really interesting.
And you talk about fitting in.
One thing that I never did
well growing up was fit in.
In fact, when I was in grade three
and my parents were ready to ship me off,
they said, They're done.
They're trying to find a place
they can, some sort of a boarding school.
It'll take me for free.
And there is a place on the island
that they're looking at, and they gave me
the brochures.
I'm looking through it, and I'm like,
I don't know.
And somebody says,
You should send her to a shrink.
And the shrink says,
Hey, he's got ADHD. right?
These few other things
here, let's prescribe him Ritalin.
And in fact, let's prescribe him
the highest dosage,
because they could only prescribe
such a high level.
So they say
you'll take eight in the morning,
another six in the afternoon,
and we'll just keep an open it up.
And yeah, we'll this will be a test case.
And I did that from I guess around, grade
3 to to, grade seven into grade seven.
I'm like, you know, I'm not likeing this.
I hate this.
My eyes are sensitive to light.
I got headaches all the time, my appetites...
And I don't feel like me
and I just cold turkey took myself off.
I said, I'm not doing this anymore. So
that, you know, a lot of things
that'll happen in your younger years
tend to be the things
that kind of hardwired into your brain
and they can start building
your pattern into the future.
But that idea of fitting in,
I've, I've never really had that, but
I can attribute that to where I am now.
I wouldn't change anything.
I'd look in what happened in the past
is what made me, and
it's created a level of uniqueness,
what you talk about or individuality
and you know, the other the other thing
that being I guess a bit of an outsider
looking in
and watching how things interact
and we talk about this sort of mass
consciousness.
One thing I've come to
realize, there's that famous
quote from Viktor Frankl
when he was in the concentration camps
and everything was taken from him
and he's like, Why are some people happy?
And they're in atrocious situations,
and other people in the exact same
situation are just beside themselves
and can't even function.
And he came down to the
he tried to sum it all up.
He says, You know,
the one thing you can't take from me
is the way I choose to respond
to what you do.
To me, the last of life's
great freedoms is one's ability
to choose your own attitude
in any given circumstance.
But with that choosing of attitude,
you create your environment around you.
And I'm kind of just going full circle.
When we talk about the mass consciousness,
is that the mass
consciousness of everybody coming to
or are we creating our own realities
that this is what we see,
just like we see the vehicle or whatever
it might be,
whereas somebody else
that the idea of aliens
might not even be on their radar
because they're just not on that
frequency. They're not attuned to it.
So look,
it's a fantastic question,
and let me just start off with ADHD.
And attention deficit disorder means that
And look, I also have some of it,
and it means that we didn't
get enough attention
from our parents between the ages of one
and five, something happened.
You had a younger brother,
a younger sister.
Something is going on
your parents marriage.
But somehow this AD, this attention deficit,
look, think of the word attention deficit.
You stopped getting attention
from your caregivers.
Now, it wasn't
because they were malicious,
but I got a younger brother and
my mom and dad's marriage was atrocious.
And so they were fighting.
There was constant
violence in the household,
and I was the one
who was not getting their attention.
And guess what?
I was not good at school.
I didn't fit in.
I couldn't go about following, like
sitting down for long periods of time.
Thank God I never got to the Ritalin idea.
But, you know, a lot of kids are suffering
from this because of what happened
to them in their childhood.
I don't know what happened to you,
but I definitely know what happened to me.
And it's and it's quite obvious
why I got that attention deficit disorder.
The second question
that you're talking about is
I think reality has multiple levels to it.
And there's a great line
that says the future has arrived.
It's just unevenly distributed,
which means that
some people are in the future
and some people are in the past.
And if you go to little towns
around the world, you'll see that
these little towns are stuck in 1983
and they stuck in 1974.
They stuck
and they stuck in some time zone.
And so people are very happy to go.
And what happens in those towns,
very little
time goes very slowly.
And then you go to other cities
and those time is moving and it's fast.
And so I think there's multiple timelines
that are happening
and there are two major mass consciousness
that are happening around the world.
One that's driven by fear
and one that's driven by love.
And so you have lots of people
in the world that are absolutely frozen
with fear because the economics situation
that they are facing,
the the political situation
they're facing.
I mean, your neighbor,
America, is a perfect example of it,
where you have half the country
thinks that everybody's
coming to kill them and the whole world
is against them.
Then deep victimhood
and then the other side of the country
is total liberal libertarians
taking the left thing far too far.
It's like,
look at how different those two lives are.
It's just it's on opposite
sides of the coin.
So I don't know
if mass con- there is some mass consciousness.
Absolutely.
But it's divided.
There's multiple layers of it.
In fact, maybe there's
an infinite number of layers to it.
There's so many different
sort of experiences that are happening.
I think it's quite an... it's quite a high
consciousness that's seeing and expecting
and engaging with our ability
to raise our consciousness
to even think about aliens
and engaging with other lives.
I don't think 80% of the human population
is at all in any way doing that.
But they've got other realities
that they're experiencing
and we all have our own realities
that we are experiencing.
And you might walk past some people and
go, Oh, I just don't like their energy.
You know, it's like low energy.
And you might go around some people and
say, Wow, they've got really high energy.
I really like hanging out with them.
What you're actually saying
is they running on different frequencies,
different radio stations,
they on different radio waves.
And so the world is divided up
into these massive different waves
and everybody's
having their own experience.
I remember for a number of
years ago, there's a company in Burnaby
and they make quantum computers.
I don't know if they're still around.
I think they're called D-Wave.
And they had some predictions
Okay, And they had some predictions
about quantum computing.
And I remember
they're talking about how it works
in superposition and that's how they yeah,
every year they've got massive increases
and what can happen through that.
But one of their predictions was the,
the discovery of
I think it was other worlds
or other beings
within the next X number of years
based on the use of quantum computing.
And yes, I had a long discussion
with an ex JTF2 fellow
and on a show called The Collective
talking about A.I., and
I borrowed shamelessly from some of this
some of your work just so I could.
Sounds a little bit intelligent,
but I reference you.
I referenced you on that. And
but talking
about these realities and what we...
how we can create our own reality
they’ve got this nonprofit thing
they're putting together
and they're trying to help people
from a military perspective,
using what they've learned to be able
to get people to
unscrew their life essentially,
or get onto a track that they want to be.
But the the idea
of having other realities,
I think, to my way of thinking anyways,
if we can create our own reality,
if we can create what happens around us,
just through our actions, intentions
and your energy or vibration
as you're saying there.
And if we expect
that we're going to be seeing
and we let's say aliens,
which could be a microorganism, some
which could be a walking, talking,
being or an extra dimensional being,
which might actually even be closer
to the fact when we start
looking at quantum reality,
where do you see let's say,
we're on that path
and we're going towards it in the future.
do you see that as reality and
do you have thoughts or suggestions
for people and how they can embrace that?
Well, I didn't
expect the talk to go this direction
coming from a gun and hunting show.
But anyway, let's dive in.
Yeah, I love it. I love it.
Look, you like it?
Yeah, I said I love it.
I love it, I love it.
Thank you so much.
No problem.
Okay,
So let's think about quantum computers.
And the idea around quantum computers
is talking about the ones and zeros being
available
to us the same time where as Newtonian science
and the old way of computer.
Say there's either a one or a zero.
Okay, but quantum says
they’re both around at the same time.
Now- right. In Newtonian times,
our idea of reality
was that there's an action
and a delayed reaction.
Reality was an objective
experience and was linear in fashion.
We had to wait an amount of time
for things to happen.
But what's starting to happen now,
through the research of quantum science,
where we have the
the idea that people are moving into
deeper and deeper
research of smaller and smaller molecules,
understanding
that everything is waves of light
and depending on the wave structure,
we have density
and then lighter and lighter
versions of density and the lighter
and higher your consciousness or vibration
goes, the more seamless
your life seems to become through
a process of synchronicities.
Now, what starts to happen
in a process of quantum science,
you realize that time is malleable,
it's not stuck in stone.
And so when you are doing something
you love, time disappears.
When you do something
you hate, time takes forever.
The same minute is experienced differently
based on your level of consciousness
and vibration and understanding.
Now, what quantum science is also
proving to us is that there is no time.
There's only the forever now
and the forever now can be perceived
from an infinite number
of vibrational viewpoints.
When your vibration is low,
your experience of reality
is an echo back to you, of your low
expectation, of your self,
your self-worth,
and what the future looks like.
So you keep reconfirming yourself
and to yourself based on your low
vibration belief systems.
And you keep confirming that
what you're believing is true.
But now the very same experience
from a higher vibrational point
when your frequency is increased
and again, we can get deeper
into raising our frequency
and really understanding how to do that
is you experience of time changes
your synchronicities increase.
And we must remember that many of these
I don't call them aliens, I call them
interdimensional beings
and these interdimensional beings
are around us,
but on different radio frequencies.
Mm hmm.
We are on this radio frequency.
They are frequency on another level.
They're not as dense as we are.
They much lighter than us.
And so as we elevate our energy,
so then it becomes more obvious
for us to engage with them and it becomes
more obvious for them to engage with us.
So let me ask you this.
If you're somebody
that's working on yourself quite a lot,
do you come across people
that are addicted to crack cocaine?
Do you come across people that are robbing
banks?
Do you come across people
that are involved in pedophile? Not at all!
It's just not even in your
you have no idea
that's even happening,
you don't know where it's happening.
But that's happening down the street,
down the town in it
could be happening at the house
next to you, but you don't even see it
because you're not
in your vibrational stance.
And then other people have got
a very different energy around money.
Every way they look,
they see ways to make money.
And some people
never know how to make money,
but they live in the exact same space,
in the exact same town, and one person
sees it differently to the other.
Now, if we extrapolate this idea of you
not engaging with bank robbers
and not engaging with crack dealers,
it means that you're reading on a
different frequency.
Now extrapolate this up
and think about interdimensional beings.
They’re on a much higher level
radio station and frequency to us.
And as we engage
with our consciousness and rise it
so these beings
become more accessible to us.
I like that perception you know,
a number of years ago I got my advanced
ham radio license here in Canada.
So you can operate radios
and you have to learn the, you know,
Ohm's Law and all the radio antenna links
and how it all works.
And one guy said to me, say,
as he's going through it,
he says, he got really deep into it.
Everything's on a frequency.
He says, We talk, it's on a frequency,
radio is on a frequency.
We see everything on a frequencies.
Like everything is just on a wavelength
of something.
And that kind of
clicked in my mind because prior to that
I was always if somebody says, Oh,
you know, change your frequency,
it sounds like the man bun, sandle wearing
Yeah, exactly.
It does, doesn't it? Yeah, but it does.
But if you look at it
from that standpoint,
you know, everything's coming at us
is we got Wi-Fi signals coming around.
We've got we got all these different
frequencies of communication.
This is just another level of it.
This is just- Well its science
what I'm telling you actually it's
not it's not every faith.
This is science has proven by science.
This is a science discussion.
So I saw recently and I didn't
fact check it, but it sounded interesting.
People talking about what was it
they watched a movie
and movie was all about stress
and the negative aspects of stress
and what it can have on a person's life
and other people.
They watch the same movie,
but they were given all the positive
aspects of what stress you know it can.
And they found people came out
from the exact same situation,
but because they perceived
the stress differently,
the negative effects were identifiable
in their blood.
Right?
They could higher, cortisol levels higher.
And apparently the same thing
for having a milkshake right?
with some say your that's bad
and all the rest.
The other one says oh it's good
for the brain and this is an energy shake
and just that perception
alone of these different things.
Again, I didn't fact check this one,
so I don't want to be beacon off here,
but it sounded like an interesting study
and it came across as looking factual.
I mean, think think,
you know, you know, cold water immersion.
Mm hmm.
Have you heard about cold water
immersion? Now when people don't know
Don't know that it's good for you.
They get hypothermia in 2 minutes.
I've heard that.
I've heard that. Exactly.
And when they're good,
when you think it's good for you,
you can stay in there for 10 minutes
and you actually have great results
from it.
You're not into panic yet.
You're approaching it with, oh,
this is good for me.
And the only thing
that changes is your mindset
exactly, that's your approach.
I mean, you're arriving at an airport
and you think everything's
going to be seamless
and everything seems to be seamless
and you're arriving in an airport
and you angry and you're looking for
things to be angry about, and you'll find
five things to be angry about
because that's really what you're looking for.
You, you creep,
you keep reconfirming your belief system.
The reality we live in is neutral.
It is not bias, you are bias.
Your perspective on something is the thing
that's echoing back to you.
They did another study in Miami.
They did a wellness day
for the staff of a hotel,
and they explained
to the staff of the hotel
that when they rise
or raise their heart rates,
they lose weight
and they gave them all Fitbits.
And the ladies that were cleaning
the rooms started to realize
the heart rates are going up
and they started losing weight,
doing exactly the same stuff,
doing the same work.
And let's go even one step deeper.
I don't know if you've seen
any of this research,
but schizophrenic people that are
having multiple personality disorders,
some of their personalities need glasses
and some of them don't.
I remember... Some of their personality is
allergic to grass and others aren't.
And it manifests itself physically.
Exactly. If physically.
So if you think about this
and further study will show us and this is
this is Einstein's word and phrase,
you can look it up.
He says, The medicine of the future
will be the medicine of frequency.
And so what we've started to realize
is that
diseases are linked to frequencies.
And so when people are having cancers
and these things, they linked
to your frequency of self-doubts,
of self-pity, of victimhood,
of anger, of adrenaline,
and of high beta brainwave for 40 years,
it manifests as a disease in your energy
field. Hmm.
And so when you start to meditate
and you start to calm your heart
and you start to change your brainwaves,
your diseases go away.
Because why your changing your frequency
and the disease doesn't link itself
to a higher frequency.
It's only linked to a lower frequency.
Mm hmm.
So let me just back up here for a second,
because I'm a futurist.
Mm hmm.
I am a faculty member at Singularity,
at Duke, at London Business School.
This is this is. I teach futurism.
But what has happened in my work
and my research is that I keep realizing
that there's no future, there is only the now.
And the way you come at the now,
depends and determines your future.
And so, you know,
and so this is my own
and like it's an unbelievable journey
that I've been on, because I'm
all about the future, but I'm now talking
about frequency and meditation,
and I'm like, What happened to my work?
Because I was talking about drones and,
you know, blockchain.
And, and the more I dived into it,
the more I realized
those things are irrelevant.
If you're arriving at them anxious,
they're irrelevant.
If you're arriving them from a low
frequency, they are bad for you.
But if you raise your frequency
and become more curious
and creative and collaborative
and in an alpha brainwave,
they are incredibly exciting to deal with.
So why would you want to not arrive
at them with the right mindset
and heart set so that you can
utilize them to do good with?
I really like that way of thinking.
You know, I
in the talk about A.I.
we had on the collective there,
I brought something up
and I've been thinking about it
a bit and I haven't had the time
to really think it through.
But it's it's interesting
what you're talking about here.
about there is no future.
It's just a constant Now,
when you type something into A.I.
and are surprised at
how accurate it can come back.
And we're just in the infancy
of the whole A.I.
renaissance here,
I've coming to the conclusion
that I don't really think there's
any independent new thought on things.
Everything's just a recycling
or of an idea that has happened before.
And I said that, and I know I'm going to
be challenged on that in the future one.
And I figure my response to
that will be well think of something new
or tell me something new
and type it into A.I
Let's see what comes up with. Right.
Because if we can collect
all of the information that's out there.
But yeah,
because what I was mentioning was,
you know, as we look at A.I.
and I think Elon came out and said
something along the lines of the odds
of us living in a simulation exceeds
the odds... is right that we aren't is
and they've got the whole holographic
universe theory and
there's also
who's a guy who from reading Rainbow
the more you know the
what's his name he's a scientist.
Anyways he says, Look at...
I was really disturbed by this thought
that we're living in a simulation,
but my research
now says that it's a 5050 chance.
Or maybe 51% chance. Right?
And he's come out to that.
We're either on the very first level
that's going
to be creating the simulation.
So what?
What I was looking at essentially was, you
know, people are like, well, am I real?
Is this what I'm experiencing around me
real?
And the conclusion I come to
is essentially
we make our reality
and we base that off like Descartes,
who says, I think therefore I am,
and who based that off of Saint Augustine?
He was called out on that and he said,
No, no, no.
Someone else said that before
you and Saint Augustine was leaving at the
I think it was Aristotle
who built upon Plato.
And eastern philosophers had the whole
butterfly having the dream thing.
But when you look at these revolutionary,
groundbreaking ideas,
I don't know if there's anything
that's truly new.
Am I off base?
In thinking that, or am I kind of
on the right track from your perspective?
No, absolutely.
I absolutely agree with you.
I think that from
this level of consciousness,
I think
we've kept you know, we've kept it.
I, I don't see anything new.
I'm constantly researching
and looking and checking.
There's not real new thoughts out there.
I think we need to elevate ourselves
to start
to figure out new ways of thinking,
new solutions to bring about.
And I think the panic in the world around
A.I. is the fact that if we don't
evolve, A.I.
is better than us and smarter than us.
And if we didn't evolve post
agricultural times, steam
engines and tractors
are better than us, they just are.
But in our physicality, they're better
than us, not in our mentality,
but now our mentality is
being... is being challenged.
And so we have to now
think about our consciousness.
We've
never thought about our consciousness.
It's never been something
that we've even thought about.
But remember, in agricultural times,
nobody thought about a data scientist
or an accountant or a lawyer
or there was no such thing.
There was a...
It was a
it only evolved in the last 200 years.
And so we are like Goldilocks.
We want our porridge just like
it was just at the right temperature.
Nothing must change,
just like we understand it to be.
And it's almost like every generation
thinks that anything before us
was pretty dumb, and anything
ahead of us is far too strange.
So let's just keep things
exactly as they are,
which is a ridiculous way
to think about the world, is that
we have to be constantly
evolving and innovating.
If we didn't,
we wouldn't have electricity,
we wouldn't have computers,
we wouldn't have telephones,
we wouldn't have a million things
that we take for granted today.
We wouldn't have them. So what?
We must stop everything now.
And so we mustn't
also be scared of these things.
We must be scared of them
if we're not evolving and elevating.
And so look, do you want to talk about
the for ways to build consciousness?
And then maybe that could be
the sort of the ending.
Yeah, let's actually important
because we've been talking about.
Yeah.
So look at the research
that I've done around it.
I call it human software transformation,
and it's our software
that we need to evolve and elevate.
And again,
like I spoke about a bit earlier,
our personalities made a way made up of
how we think, how we act and how we feel.
And the first thing
that we have to really think about
is our past, our memories
and what is created.
Our personality to date.
And much of our personality
has been formed through trauma
and the trauma
that sits deep in our subconscious minds
that we don't often even know we have.
And, you know,
especially the older generation,
when I gave my mum and dad coaching
sessions for one of their birthdays
and they looked at me very strangely,
they're like, Why are you giving us this?
This there's nothing wrong.
Why would I want to go seek coaching?
And I realize that it's their generation
just doesn't see like there's
anything wrong.
The trauma so deeply entrenched
that it's just the way it is
this the way the world is.
And I'll just get on with it.
So the first step
to developing your consciousness
and elevating yourself
is actually becoming aware
that your personality
is built on false memories.
And very quickly, just as a caveat,
you know that all our memories are false
because none of our memories
are really true,
because most of our memories are just
stories we've decided to hold on to.
I mean, who says they’re true?
And we extrapolated to build on them
and something might have happened
that was very small 12 years ago.
But we've built so many stories
on top of it to justify our anger,
sadness, frustration
and just irritation with the world.
So really, none of our memories are true
and we can release that.
And so when we heal our trauma,
we release ourselves of old patterns.
Our brain literally starts to change
when you release anger for your dad,
for your mom, for society, for race,
for men, for woman, whatever it may be.
You literally change your brainwaves.
You change the way your brain thinks.
You start to look for different realities,
and all of a sudden
you brighten your future
by releasing your past.
And I'll give you one very quick example.
I didn't speak to my dad for 20 years,
and subconsciously
by being angry with my dad,
I subconsciously created a pattern
that men out there are like my dad,
abusive, angry and bullies.
And guess what? I'm straight, right?
I'm not gay, but I'm talking men
in my life, businessmen, older men,
friends.
In many ways were representing my dad.
I kept attracting these gangsters
and these terrible men.
Bullies. Why?
Because my idea was much more
keen on my brain, was much more keen
on being angry with my dad,
keeping stuck to that identity,
projecting that story out into the world
and recreating that persona
to reconfirm my belief systems.
So step one wisdom
having memories with no triggers
or as Alan Watts says,
the wise, knowledgeable man has to learn
something new every day, but the wise man
has to unlearn something new every day.
I love Alan.
Alan, What a man.
So first up, let's clean our past
because you can't raise your consciousness
if you don't clean your past.
If you're angry about your past,
you can't.
You can't move forward.
The second thing is something
that we don't even realize we're not doing
is we don't make any decisions
based on our curiosity.
None of us.
We are only making decisions
based on outcomes, on absolutes,
on logical ways to do things, on
primal ego, ways of doing things.
We think that curiosity
is only there for hobbies.
We don't think we could make money
out of our curiosity.
And this is such a lie
because our curiosity is our genius.
It's our golden thread
to the highest version of ourselves.
And we can see the younger generation
doesn't want to fit into a system anymore.
They've created something
called the Creator economy
$100 billion already and counting.
What does it mean?
People are curious about a topic.
They dive deeper and deeper into it.
They become specialists at it.
They become unique in their currency,
and people want to pay money
to be around them. Me
That's what I've done.
I'm just curious about neuroscience,
psychology,
futurism and business strategy.
Nobody else is. I am, but here I am.
I've written books, I make money,
I travel around the world,
I talk, I've developed that,
and it's all based on my curiosity.
Nobody tells me I have to write a book.
Nobody tells me I have to research.
This is based on my own
absolute desire and fascination.
And so we've never been taught
because school never celebrated curiosity.
It was if you were too curious,
you were too naughty
and you were put on Ritalin.
That's right.
Shut down the curiosity, Son shut down
That curiosity its not for this
the third step and I've spoken about this
already is our ability to learn
how to imagine.
And we have shut down imagination
to such a point that UNESCO's
future literacy calls
it a poverty of the imagination.
The mega-trend
that humanity's going through is a poverty
in our ability
to imagine a better world ahead of us.
We'd rather imagine worse worlds ahead of
us rather than better worlds ahead of us.
And so if we think about reality
and frequency and echoes
and projection and quantum science,
your imagination is truly
the forth coming attractions to your life.
Just like Einstein said 120 years ago,
you know, that guy was ahead of his time.
Mm. And the fourth and the fourth way
is through a process of daily meditation.
And if most people listening to this
say they can't meditate,
all they're really saying is
they are addicted to high beta
and the brain is their boss,
they are not the boss of their brain,
and their
brain tells them how to act, where to go
and what to do.
They don't tell their brain how to act
and what to do and where to go.
And so really, fitness of meditation
gives you the ability
to relax your brain and rewire it
so that your personality can change
And and and the repercussion
of your personality changing
is that your personal reality starts
to change because your personal reality
is an echo of your personality.
Mm hmm.
And so this process of healing your past,
using curiosity
your in other ways, your passions, desires,
fascination and and sort of
inquisitiveness as your guiding light
to what you could do.
Imagining amazing
futures, creating calm and inviting ideas,
and your subconscious mind around money,
around people and around situations.
Look, get your brain to start
to seek out those situations
and then to use meditation
as the daily tool to unwire and unfire.
Now you start to increase
your consciousness
little bit by little, bit by little bit.
I absolutely love that. I have
reams of other things that have coming up
off of what you've said there.
I recognize that we need to be able
to cap this at a certain point.
I'm sure we'll be talking offline
a bit too.
If people want to hear more
about what you do
and see what you do,
I'll have links in the description.
Check out The Expansive,
fantastic podcast.
Check you're on TikTok on Instagram,
your own social media,
you've got your website and you do
speaking tours all over the world.
Yeah, and I've been told
I also have to plug the Silvercore
podcast because people
have to remember at the end to check out
if you like it, share it with your friends
and subscribe comment.
But John, thank you so much for.
Being on the podcast,
it was a truly enlightening conversation
and I truly believe that there's a reason
why you and I are talking at this moment.
The Universe has...
I have no I have no doubt that.
Thank you. And no doubt there is.
And thank you so much for reaching out.
And, you know, I got to love the world
that it's being so small right?
You're literally 12 hours away from me
in the middle of dead winter.
And here we are talking and connecting
and having a fantastic chat.
Thank you so much.
And hello to all the listeners
and thank you all for tuning in and look
forward to seeing you somewhere in the world soon.