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Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader, hosted by Molly Galler, Stephanie Blackburn, and Kaitlin Mattison. We're three friends who love to read, swap books, and count down until the film and TV adaptations of our favorites are released. Follow us on Instagram, @plansarebooked, or reach out to us directly at plansarebooked@gmail.com.
Molly Galler (00:01)
Welcome to Plans Are Booked, podcast for every reader. I'm Molly Geller.
Kaitlin (00:04)
And I'm Caitlin Madison. Welcome to Chapter 22.
Stephanie (00:05)
I'm Stephanie Blackburn.
Molly Galler (00:08)
And I'm Kate Lamaglia. Welcome to chapter two. Cue the Taylor Swift.
Kaitlin (00:16)
Okay, so 22 is kind of a lucky number for me. 17 is my real lucky number, but 22 is another one. I don't know if you guys definitely don't know this. I don't know how you would. But when I was a senior in college, I lived at a house 22 Howard Street, and we just called it 22. And we all turned 22 when we lived in the house. And we felt that that was lucky. And
Stephanie (00:31)
Oh.
Molly Galler (00:38)
and we felt that that was lucky and then Richard Morris was on and I don't know for some reason I just liked 42 I don't know and I was 22 in softball at one point for a couple of years I just like it it feels good
Kaitlin (00:41)
Then there's the Taylor Swift song. And I don't know, for some reason, I just like 22. I don't know. And I was 22 in softball at one point for a couple of years. I just like it. It feels good.
How's everyone doing? Oh, geez. Just getting getting right into Steph has not been messing around the pre pod. She was like, I have big plans. This is what they are. I was like, do I need alcohol? It's only 1030 in the morning and it's been going well so far.
Stephanie (00:57)
I'm gonna start off by posing a question. I watched I should say that we haven't been together in a week and a half. No, it's no I mean sitting down to podcast has been
Molly Galler (00:59)
Oh, oh
Kaitlin (01:25)
Oh yes, it's been that long, but we had my birthday.
Stephanie (01:27)
almost two weeks. I know, but that wasn't like, there were other people there. It wasn't like I could be like, here's the list of things in my head I've been meaning to share with you. Yes. Yes. Okay. So I saw this thing on Twitter over a week ago and it blew my mind apart. Like I didn't even know how to process it. I've bookmarked it so I can send the video to both of you.
Molly Galler (01:28)
I know, but that wasn't like, there were other people there. It wasn't like, I could be like, here's the list of things in my head that I need to share with you. Got it. It's been a listen to thought journal morning, Caitlin. Yes. Okay, so I saw this thing on Twitter over a week ago, and it blew my mind apart. Like, I didn't even know what our process is. I booked my house.
Kaitlin (01:35)
Got it. So this is your Thought Journal with Molly and Caitlin.
Oh, I think I know what it's going to be, but go. I think there is a viral thing going around about do you have a voice in your head when you read? Yes, of course I do.
Molly Galler (01:52)
Wait, do you mean like what do I hear while I'm reading?
Stephanie (01:55)
But here is my question first before I share it with you. No, tell me what you think it's going to be.
Yes. Do either of you have an inner monologue? Do you?
Kaitlin (02:14)
Yeah, there's
Stephanie (02:16)
No, not for so ignore the reading aspect right now when you are by yourself. Are you talking in your head? Apparently half the population do not have inner monologue. So in this video on Twitter, this guy and this girl are sitting down together. I think they're in class together and he asks her because she does not have an inner monologue. So he asks specifically about reading. How does she read a book?
Molly Galler (02:23)
Of course I live alone.
Kaitlin (02:29)
Do not use any of our cleaner.
Molly Galler (02:36)
And he asked her, because she does not have any confidence, so he asked specifically about reading. How does she read the book? Because she cannot hear a voice. So like when I read, in my head, I'm like,
Stephanie (02:44)
because she cannot hear a voice. So like when I'm reading, in my head my voice is narrating the book. She does not. She sees the word. She says she mouths it sometimes, or she'll read aloud. But she sees the word, she places it where it needs to go into the plot, but she doesn't picture the things that are being said. His reaction was just a sort of silence, and I had the exact same reaction because.
Kaitlin (02:51)
She does not. She sees the bird. She says she mouths it sometimes, or she would laugh. But she sees the bird, she places it where it needs to go, into the pot, and she does a picture of the piece of bird that said. His reaction was just sort of silent, and he cracks him open and says,
Molly Galler (02:51)
Correct.
Stephanie (03:14)
How?
Kaitlin (03:14)
So I've seen articles over the years about these people that don't get mental images when they're reading. And there's a lot of, because I'm a teacher and because I teach English, I've read a lot about it because there are a lot of kids, they get to middle school and they're like whisper reading, which is like the kind of saying it out loud sort of thing. And for a long time I was like, oh gosh, did I give them a book that's too hard for them that they're like whisper reading it out loud?
Stephanie (03:20)
And there was a lot of, because I'm a teacher and because I teach English, like I read a lot about it because, you know, there are a lot of kids, they get to middle school and they're like whisper reading, which is like the kind of saying that sort of thing. And for a long time I was like, oh gosh, did I like give them a book that's too hard for them that they're like whisper reading it out loud? And then when I did some digging on it, it was like, no, as usually people who don't get -
Kaitlin (03:44)
And then when I did some digging on it, it was like, no, that's usually people who don't get, don't have an inner voice and don't have a mental picture of what they're reading. And I was like, what? That's a thing. And so that's when I first learned about it, but it was because it was for like an entirely different reason. I was like, oh my gosh, I'm giving kids books that are way too hard.
Stephanie (03:50)
So the girl in the video says she doesn't read books for fun. She doesn't read fiction because she
Molly Galler (04:15)
Okay, you guys can't see me but my eyes are like stuck elevated like I'm still reacting to this. I can't imagine I can't imagine first of all not just like narrating the day in your mind.
Stephanie (04:19)
Exactly.
I have every conversation in my head before I actually have the conversation.
Kaitlin (04:31)
Sometimes I say them out loud in the shower if it's gonna be a tricky one. Like if I'm, like I, you know, back when I was like in a really stressful job situation, I'd be like, all right, I need to play out what I'm gonna say when I'm in this meeting with so and so and like, and I, sometimes I would do it out loud in the shower.
Molly Galler (04:31)
So thank you.
Thank you.
Stephanie (04:38)
because I can't out what I have to say and this is a song about me. And I was...
I mean, there's an iceberg and like you're you're only seeing the tip of of all the conversations I've previously had and worked out so it has to not have to have them in real life.
Molly Galler (04:48)
Okay, but I also I'm still processing everything that you just said about that people don't have that and that they don't read like that but also I had a conversation with a friend recently about people who don't spend all day thinking about what they're gonna eat next which is like
Kaitlin (04:58)
Right, but that's like anxiety. That's not just that you can call it an overactive inner monologue if you would like.
Yeah.
Molly Galler (05:18)
legitimately like 80 % of my brain is like should I go out for breakfast or should I not? Should I make something? Should I not? If I eat this for breakfast and I can't have this for lunch because those ingredients are too similar.
Stephanie (05:20)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (05:27)
Or thinking about your cabinet and your pantry and your refrigerator and what you have and what things could go together is a little puzzle I play at two o 'clock every afternoon.
Stephanie (05:31)
what happens when things could go together, if you have a positive idea, and like, move on your reaction. True.
Molly Galler (05:38)
Like if someone is walking through the world not thinking about what they're gonna eat next like I I can't even imagine what I could do with all that extra brain space
Stephanie (05:42)
She said she just has like mental pictures of the thing, but there's no... She's not hearing the word in her head. Yeah. I...
Molly Galler (05:55)
Wow.
Kaitlin (05:56)
Yeah. Okay. I looked up what the official term was because I was curious. It's called aphantasia. And people with it may also, so if you find it difficult to picture voluntary images in your head, AKA, I call it daydreaming, right? Like you're in the car, you're driving, a song comes on, it makes you think of somebody or something. And then all of a sudden you're playing out Travis and Taylor dancing to it at their wedding, you know, that sort of thing, right?
Stephanie (06:22)
Or I'm picturing an entire book scene and writing the dialogue in my head to go with it.
Kaitlin (06:28)
Yeah, sure. That sounds more productive than mine. But like that's right. So like we do that. So that if you don't have that, it's called aphantasia. A lot of people that have that also have another thing called anaderalia, which is a term now being used to describe the absence of auditory imagery or your inner voice.
Molly Galler (06:32)
So, a little like that's how we do that.
Stephanie (06:33)
But like, that's right. So like, we need that. So.
Molly Galler (06:41)
people have that also have an ability to develop and a derivative which is a term that now being described now being described they have thousands of opportunities for your
Kaitlin (06:58)
So they're now connecting, like, if you have this one thing, it's pretty likely that you also have this other thing because it has to do with, like, being able to imagine in your head, which I just thought was, like, we were all born with that, but...
Stephanie (07:11)
I know. If anyone listening, please reach out to us because I'm just so, if you don't hear, if you don't hear voices in your.
Molly Galler (07:12)
If anyone has any questions, please reach out to them. If you don't care, you don't care what's happening. That's probably OK, everyone. But I want to know what kind of careers people go into who don't have the inner monologue. What are their superpowers? I think they can be superpowers.
Kaitlin (07:16)
I would say that they the people that the kids I know that I'm pretty sure had it are like really into like
Stephanie (07:26)
If you don't have an inner monologue, tell us.
Right?
the people that I, it is I.
Kaitlin (07:45)
kill and drill spreadsheets, math, formulaic things. They're very, or like straight organization of like, okay, here's all this information and I need to put it into these like data tables and you know, or coding really good at coding. Anything that has like a rhythm to it that you don't have to like, imagine. It's like non -creative jobs, I guess is what I would call it.
Stephanie (07:49)
Mm -hmm.
needed to be able to, you know, work with them and code. It has like a code, it's under it. That you don't have to like, um, add. It's like not be able to.
Molly Galler (08:04)
that you don't have a magic. It's like not created at all. That's what I'm calling it. I do wonder if there are any writers who have. Would that be possible? I feel like no. Well, then it's a good question.
Stephanie (08:11)
I do wonder if there are any writers that have it. Would that even be possible? Because I feel like, I know because like 90 % of creating a book happens in my head before I even sit down to a computer.
Molly Galler (08:22)
And I'm thinking back to when we went to the romance author event and someone asked do they outline, do they plan, do they whatever and many of them were like nope I just like the story takes me where it takes me.
Kaitlin (08:27)
And I'm thinking back to the romance author that someone asked, do they outwit them? Do they plan? Do they reverberate? And many of them don't, but just like the story takes place. What was the character you have to say? The director. What else did you have to say? You're out there. Yeah. The answer? The answer? The The answer? When you lose that one, that thing. No, I think it's like the scene in the movie, that's this one, you're not planning. Oh. It's not planning versus the answer. Not really. Anyways.
Stephanie (08:31)
What was the term pantsing versus... that was like a shoot off of it was like pantsing versus...
Molly Galler (08:39)
panty liner.
Oh yeah, pants, pantser? Pants? When you do the outline thing. Oh.
Stephanie (08:47)
Oh god. No, I think it's like the seat of your pants is when you're not planning. Was it planning versus pants? Not important. Anyways, moving on.
Kaitlin (08:56)
I'm just... So my inner monologue is at its peak when I am trying to go to bed, which is anxiety. Showering is also another big one. And so I write, I'm also, I'm more heavily medicated than that, but I use a fan for white noise to drown out...
Stephanie (09:02)
So when I come off of his at a peak, when I find sort of a... Yes. Or showering. ...and he'll shower and also put a pillow on. That's why I take melatonin. So, I'm pretty sure most of you are coming from a peak. But I, you know, I do this at a point in time. I'm always having to keep all of my nervous noises because they're like creaking and rattling.
Molly Galler (09:16)
I still don't know what happened to me. But I, you know...
Kaitlin (09:26)
all extraneous noises because if I hear creeks and cracks and birds and this, that it's just like my brain is spinning and it doesn't turn off. And I used to, it used to be like just stress, like I was stressed about work and I wouldn't stop thinking about work or my students or whatever. And my inner monologue would just be like out of control. People that don't have this, think about it.
Molly Galler (09:26)
all it creates noises because I can breathe, crack, burp, and stuff. It's just like my brain is spinning, it's just turning off. And I used to, it used to just like just grasp those thoughts and go, stop thinking about it, rest within whatever. And in the morning, I would just be like, at home. Can you tell me about this? Think about it. When they're just sitting there, you know,
Stephanie (09:31)
It's just like my brain is spinning, it's turned on, and I used to be, it used to be just like, just drastically, I was depressed about it, and I would stop thinking about it for the rest of my life, or whatever. And I hear all of that, and I just be like, add, call people, call them out this, think about it. One day I'm just sitting there, and I'm like quiet, there's...
Kaitlin (09:52)
when they're just sitting there in a moment of quiet, there's nothing.
Stephanie (09:57)
Well, so like I can't meditate because I'm going through lists. Yeah.
Kaitlin (09:59)
Right. Right. Yes. You can't turn it off. They must sleep like babies. They must have... So maybe those people are actually like the super producers of the world. Isn't that a Malcolm Gladwell term? Super producer. People that like are able to do more in a day than other people. That must be those people because when they...
Stephanie (10:21)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (10:21)
I call those people Beyonce, but yes, maybe he calls them super producers.
Kaitlin (10:25)
go to bed, they're not thinking about a darn thing and then they're well rested and then they get up and then they can rock and roll. That's what I'm thinking.
Yeah. I had a, I had a principal one time that was a super producer, operated on like four hours of sleep, did more than anyone I knew. She was like a principal at our school and in a PhD program and taught grad school courses to people that wanted to be principal. Like she had two kids, like single mom. I was like, what, what? And I think.
Stephanie (10:50)
Do you
Molly Galler (10:53)
students who did like a single one. I was like, what? And I was like, I want to see that.
Kaitlin (10:59)
I'll ask her next time I see her, I'll be like, are you an intermonologue person? Because I'm just wondering if there's a correlation between super producers and we got really meta on this pod. Like right from, I told you 22 is a good one. 22 is good. Steph started us off strong.
Molly Galler (11:10)
This is yes, the truth of the age that we have reached right now. I want to transition just to saying thank you to some of our listeners who responded to a question we posed with the latest episode.
Stephanie (11:18)
preparing to ask you this question.
Kaitlin (11:20)
And yet you still had to write it down to remember to ask us about it on said pod.
Stephanie (11:24)
Well, I'm 40.
Molly Galler (11:37)
We talked about The Butcher and the Wren and the mystery genre, and we asked what mystery books we should consider reading next. So shout out to Sally and to Ellie for their great suggestions. The Girl on the Train, which I know many of us have read.
Stephanie (11:51)
I hate that book. I just, of course she did. I mean, I just hate, why can't I think of the term? Unreliable narrator. I think that was the book that I first told you about that term and you were like, huh, I hate someone that I don't believe. Yeah.
Kaitlin (11:52)
I hated it too. Maul, did you read it?
Molly Galler (11:54)
I did read it.
Kaitlin (11:56)
Okay, so we all read that one.
unreliable narrator.
Molly Galler (12:08)
Yeah. The next recommendation is one I think all of us read and loved. One of us is lying. YA. You can picture the cover. Set in high school.
Kaitlin (12:08)
Yeah, Gone Girl is one, yeah.
Yep, yes, I didn't read any of the other ones. Yes, they did. I didn't either.
Stephanie (12:18)
Oh yeah. Didn't they make a show out of that? I didn't watch it.
Molly Galler (12:24)
And then the last one is about a specific author, Tana French, anything by Tana French.
Stephanie (12:27)
God, I love Tana French. Wait, time out. Is Dublin Murders Tana French? Did you watch that show? Oh, fantastic. I don't know. It was, I think it was during the height of COVID. Bad Sisters is phenomenal.
Kaitlin (12:29)
Ellie is obsessed with Tana French. Yes. No. Did I watch that show? No. I'm thinking of Bad Sisters.
So we thank you for your excellent and certainly put up more costume boxes as the weeks go on because we love hearing from you and seeing what we do in these days. Same thing, so thank you for engaging with our content. We appreciate it. I also want to share for those who are in the middle of a pandemic, last night I went to a bookseeing restaurant. It's called The Lord's Restaurant in Fort Smith, New York. Just as I said, I need to say that this restaurant is...
Molly Galler (12:48)
So we thank you for your recs and we will certainly put up more question boxes as the weeks roll on because we love hearing from you and we love seeing if we're reading the same things, like the same things. So thank you for engaging with our content. We appreciate it. I also wanted to share for those who are in the New England area, last night I went to a book -themed restaurant. It's called the Library Restaurant in Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Just as an aside, I need to say that this restaurant, um,
Stephanie (13:10)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (13:17)
has a pretty strict cancellation policy. If you don't cancel before 5 a .m. the day of, they charge you $30 per person if you don't show up. The reason I am mentioning this, yesterday there was a pretty intense rainstorm going on. And as I was driving up there, it was bad, but like manageable. When I drove home last night, the rain was coming down like in sheets.
Kaitlin (13:17)
pretty strict cancellation policy. If you don't cancel before the end of the day, they charge you $30 per person if you don't show up. The reason I didn't show up yesterday, there was a pretty nice range going on. And as I was driving up there, it was bad, but like, meaningful.
Stephanie (13:20)
Oh.
I was right up there. It was that light. When I came up this way, the rain was hitting the sheets. I was right up there.
Kaitlin (13:39)
When I moved from the last rate, the rain was coming in like, jeez. I was whitejumping it the entire time. I thought about pulling over a couple times, but then I knew because I'd booked a thousand and I looked at the SBCC right down the car, it wasn't gonna get better. I feel like you could have that many moments in a lifetime of like, this could be where it ends. Like, it's been really compelling to me, like, that was my experience in that drive. I feel like, wow, this is like, really, really sweet power of the future and you just need to realize that maybe you should have stayed out of it.
Molly Galler (13:44)
I was white -knuckling it the entire time. I thought about pulling over multiple times, but then I knew, because I had looked at the hour -by -hour forecast before I got in the car, it wasn't going to get better. I feel like you don't have that many moments in a lifetime of like, this could be where it ends. Like, it's been good knowing everyone, but that was my experience in that drive last night where I was like, wow, this is like, really when you see the power of nature and when you just need to realize like, maybe we should have stayed home.
Stephanie (13:52)
I feel like I have that influence all the time. This could be where it is. I just think that, you know, I've been working with animals and I've experienced that drive. I've it once. Wow, this is like really perceived power and nature and you just need to realize that nature is different. But, I mean, a lot of people, if you are a very competent citizen, is a beautiful bird, even though that's what we like to guess, you're still a farmer, and they have these gorgeous displays in the dining room.
Kaitlin (14:09)
But anyway, the library, if you are in the area, is a beautiful and grateful thing that has you as a library guest or student in the library. And they have these gorgeous displays in the dining room of like every book that comes with a second, first edition book, beautiful, leather bound and arranged in these stunning ways. And the whole cocktail menu is literature themed. My friend, Mavan and I had a strength called the three expectations.
Molly Galler (14:09)
But anyway, the library restaurant, if you are in the New England area or plan to visit, is in a beautiful brick building that, as you likely guessed, used to be a library. And they have these gorgeous displays in the dining room of like, every book kind of looks like a first edition book and beautiful, leather bound and arranged in these stunning ways. And then the whole cocktail menu is literature themed. My friend Bevan and I had this drink called The Great Expectations.
Stephanie (14:22)
of like, every group was like a first edition of Unbeautiful Leatherback arranged in these stunning ways and the whole content of this literature came to my friend Bethany and I and this drank of the great expectations. I was involved in the last word which was author and the instruments as well. Yes, the drink was great and the -
Kaitlin (14:38)
I would have gone with the last word, which is popular at other restaurants as well.
Molly Galler (14:40)
Yes, the drink menu was great and then the food is just like a normal upscale restaurant, but they brought the check inside of one of those like gorgeous books. I just love those kind of like small details that make it all kind of come together. Interestingly, it had a pretty like fancy white tablecloth vibe except all the servers were wearing black and gold sequin vests.
Stephanie (14:47)
Love that.
Kaitlin (14:50)
they brought the check inside one of those gorgeous balls. And all those small details that make it all come together. Interestingly, it had a pretty fancy white table with a hybrid accent. All the servers were black and gold, seated on the vests. And I was like, are we in a security room? It was the most bizarre outfit choice for the teen. And at the end of the teen's the restroom.
Molly Galler (15:09)
And I was like, are we at a Steelers game? Like what's happening here? It was the most bizarre like outfit choice for the team. And then at the end, we went to use the restroom before we got on the road and it's in the basement of the building. And I felt like I'd been transported into like my elementary school. It was like where the toilets are like low to the ground and those tiny stalls. And I was like, how is it that a restaurant this nice has like an elementary school style bathroom?
Kaitlin (15:24)
I'm not gonna lie.
Stephanie (15:38)
I'm not doing anything funny. There is something in time to play out of you guys' clothes, I know that because I'm friends with people that are going through this. There are times in time that it is you here that you take the best back of yourself and you're in the same boat. And so I'm not really trying to be rough, I'm just going to take these two less props because the back of you is insane.
Kaitlin (15:40)
There's like an entire, like, I don't know if you guys know this and I only know it because I'm friends with people that are a lot younger than us. There are entire Instagrams dedicated to where you can take the best bathroom selfie in every city. And so I have friends that are like, oh, I'm in London. I have to go to these two restaurants because the bathrooms are like insane. So the fact that this place is an in on the bathroom game is a little...
Molly Galler (15:40)
Yes.
state.
It's super bizarre and when I made the reservation and then again When they send you like the automated text they reinforce every step of their communication with you that quote upscale dress is required and I was like, how can you say that and then this is your bathroom? This should be a bathroom with like
Stephanie (16:05)
So the fact that this place is held that way is a problem. It's ridiculous. It's super bizarre. And when an organization, again, when they send you like automated text, they reinforce every step of their communication that quote, off -scale address is required. And I was like, how could you say that? And then this is your bathroom. This should be a bathroom.
Kaitlin (16:10)
ridiculous.
Molly Galler (16:30)
gold trimmed mirrors and like real cloth towels and like I just it was so bizarre.
Stephanie (16:30)
Well, you know my thoughts on bathrooms. I'm sure I could have found that that, you know, caulking was used in the wrong place or grout was, you know.
Kaitlin (16:32)
You're like towels and like I just feel so bizarre.
I'm sure I can.
Molly Galler (16:43)
Yes, I'm sure you're right. Any other catch -up items before we move into our book of...
Kaitlin (16:46)
I went to Florida. It was sunny. I played golf. I turned 39. I met my parents' dogs who are super cute. Two Boston Terriers. Lots of puppy energy.
Stephanie (16:59)
hashtag adopt
Molly Galler (17:01)
What are the dog's names?
Kaitlin (17:08)
Fergus and Fiona.
Well, my parents are old and there's just no, there's just no talking to them and other things.
Molly Galler (17:19)
While we're on the adoption conversation, I have to admit something, which is that we've talked a few times here about Barstool sports and various connections to that. I don't follow it closely. I'm not a huge sports fan, but many people have started following the account for Dave Portnoy's new dog, famous Miss Peaches. This dog was adopted from a hoarding situation in Atlanta.
Stephanie (17:27)
I don't follow the age of sports fan, but many people have started following the original, or the new dog. Famous in this region. This dog was adopted from a boarding situation in Atlanta. I wasn't really interested, it was just like I started to explore the region. And then I just followed through and started following it. But I could not get the feeling that I had a normal sports. I had to carve it.
Kaitlin (17:27)
here about basketball sports and various matches. But I don't follow, mostly I'm not a huge sports fan, but many people have started following him and he's pretty important in his main job. The famousness of this dog was a different important situation in his life.
It's so cute. It has peaches down the sleeve and it says adopt don't shop and all of the merch that he's selling goes to adoption shelters. It's so awesome.
Molly Galler (17:46)
I wasn't following it at first. It was just like being served to me on my explore page. And then I just like fell in love with her and I started following it. I am not kidding you when I say I have almost pressed add to cart like seven times on the Miss Peaches sweatshirt.
Stephanie (17:54)
Love that.
Molly Galler (18:02)
Okay, so I'll show it to you guys before we part ways in case we want to get like matching I would be delighted to finance that I Am I don't know much about him. I know he's like a controversial Person, I really don't know enough to even speak on it But I'm obsessed with this dog and I'm obsessed with the fact that every single penny
Stephanie (18:20)
I really don't want to do this anymore, but I'm obsessed with this dog and I'm obsessed with the fact that everything that he's breathing on this perch is amazing. It's just like amazing and I'm so much more happy and he's doing everything, like everything that I want him to which I don't know why he decided to do that, because he's kind of not always like the most important thing, but like, elite and all that. So, I don't know.
Molly Galler (18:27)
that he's raising from this march, he's donating. He gave one rescue in New York 25 grand. It's just like amazing and they're raising so much money and he's doing everything, like everything pro bono, which I don't know why he decided to do that, but it seems kind of actually not aligned with everything else I've heard about him, but I'm elated and I think I have to have it. So.
Kaitlin (18:32)
It was just like amazing and so funny and he's doing everything, like everything in purple, which I don't know why he decided to do that.
So I'm, I do follow Barstool Sports. It makes me a bad feminist. It's fine. Um, the backstory on that is that he was dating a model for a really long time who had a rescue pit and they broke up and he and his ex -wife Renee had a miniature.
Stephanie (18:50)
The background is that he was a law student and a lawyer. And he had a miniature.
Molly Galler (18:55)
is to stay on.
and he is actually meant to have a neutral...
Kaitlin (19:12)
I can't remember what kind of dog it was. He always called him the king of the toys, the king of the toy dogs. But that was a dog that I think his wife maybe had before they got married. And so I don't think he's ever adopted a dog before. Dan Katz, AKA Big Kat, who Molly went to high school with, he also has a rescue pit named Stella and he has a coffee brand named Stella Blue Coffee.
Stephanie (19:12)
Thank you.
Molly Galler (19:12)
Thank you.
Stephanie (19:25)
your doctor's work. Dan Katz, a big fat, a long ice pull man, he also has a rescue head named Stella and he has a coffee brand named Stella Blue Coffee and he makes his money all the time from a rescue that, which I think is in Chicago, that he got.
Molly Galler (19:27)
Dan has a big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big, big,
Kaitlin (19:39)
And he raises money all the time for the rescue that, which I think is in Chicago that he got Stella from. And he's had Stella, I mean, she's got to be getting up there in age. Um, but she is like the logo of his coffee brand. And so I think that Dan might've been like, Dave, if you're going to get a dog, this is what I would do. And like, Stella's so awesome and you love her and like blah, blah, blah. And I think that Dan might've influenced him a little bit.
Stephanie (19:45)
Stella's got it. And he's had Stella. She's had it in a very age. But she is a local of his off brand. And so I think that Dan might then make these. I can tell it's a lot of food. Stella's awesome. It's wonderful. A lot of things that Dan might do once in a while.
Molly Galler (19:56)
Dan might have been like, hey, can you talk about I would do Stella's costume, awkward, all done, and I would do the forest thing because I think it's important to have a quality process for the coffee that you sell goes to adopt the colors. So there's always just one needle in that. You know, you could do that and it's probably not the biggest difference between the sales and the pounds in all the different signs, but I don't know.
Kaitlin (20:08)
because I think it's like 10 or 20 % of all the proceeds from the coffee that he sells goes to adoption shelters. So there's already like one angle of that. Now it could be that it was like a friendly competition and Dave is now like pouncing all over Dan's thing, but I don't really know if that's like a behind the scenes thing that's going on, but I don't care because of who it benefits. So like it's a win -win.
Stephanie (20:08)
because I think it's like 10 or 20 % of all the proceeds from the coffee that he sells go to adoption dollars. So there's often like one goal in that. You know, it be that I could find my competition to be this talent, a housing author for the outside world. I don't know if talent is a good way to put this with them, but I do care about the outside world. So I'm gonna... Also, you know what, there's travel, right? Every time I saw you, you were so awesome.
Molly Galler (20:27)
Also, Dave Portnoy is traveling right now in every hotel he's going to. These hotels have printed pictures of Miss Peaches and are framing them and putting them in his hotel room. Unbelievable. I've seen so much content that's like, I hate Dave Portnoy, but I love his Miss Peaches dog dad voice. And it's just like, it's true. He has like a different personality on that account.
Stephanie (20:43)
It would cry.
Kaitlin (20:44)
It's amazing. It's so fun.
Stephanie (20:54)
Thank you.
Molly Galler (20:55)
And I've been watching it like sore. I think when I first noticed it, he was at like $300 ,000. And when I looked yesterday, he was at 857 ,000. Like they're going to get to a million probably in the next couple of weeks. The Day at Land Mall? Day at Land Mall?
Kaitlin (20:57)
He agreed to take Miss Peaches to some fancy mall in the Miami area. What is it? Okay. Um, to see the Easter bunny and the mall.
Stephanie (20:59)
Amazing.
Kaitlin (21:20)
paid Miss Peaches as like a celeb and all the money went to whatever shelters Dave picked.
Molly Galler (21:27)
I'm extremely into it. I enter her account. Okay, amazing. We'll look at it after this and then I'll order it. Okay, amazing. Okay, any other catch up items? No?
Stephanie (21:29)
I'm almost done with tiling. I just have a tiny bit left.
Kaitlin (21:31)
She's so great. And I will totally take you up on the Miss Peaches outerwear.
Yay! Tiling is almost done!
Molly Galler (21:48)
Oh yes, wait. No, no, tell the people, tell the people like a broader update about your timeline and what you're marching towards.
Stephanie (21:56)
It's taken me two weeks to do both bathrooms, walls, marble shelves, and flooring, but the...
Kaitlin (21:57)
Take me to the stairs.
Molly Galler (22:04)
Steph was worried it might fall down.
Kaitlin (22:04)
My mom is really worried about the tiling on the ceiling What do you mean? Oh? Oh? Oh? No, she's not worried. No. No. She's not worried about it going anywhere She's worried that you're like Turning your body into a pretzel and that it's really difficult and why would she do that to herself? I believe was the direct quote
Stephanie (22:08)
Oh, it's not going anywhere.
Molly Galler (22:20)
Thank you.
Stephanie (22:21)
Oh.
Molly Galler (22:24)
I think Steph asks herself every day why she's doing this to herself.
Stephanie (22:26)
She commented on one of the posts and wrote gravity question mark and I was like, I don't even know how to respond to this. Yes, it was stressful. Had a lot of, you know, built up anger towards the tile and why did I choose to do this? And maybe I should have just become a veterinarian. But anyways.
Kaitlin (22:34)
Yeah, sounds about right.
Stephanie (22:54)
It's done except for one small piece that I will do this week. Tomorrow, countertops are going in, bathroom vanities are going in. Wednesday, appliances are arriving. Wednesday, the tub is getting refinished, which if you don't know, you can refinish a cast iron tub. It gets blasted and sanded and then they reenamel it. It is the cheapest option, I believe.
for not having to break apart a cast iron tub and take it out if you ever need to do that. And they can paint it any color you want, just so you know. We're hoping to be listed the second week of April, so stress -free life is ahead of me. It's just a little out of reach. So that's it.
Molly Galler (23:32)
Amazing.
We always go on a tour of Stephanie's homes after she finishes. So I'm very excited to see this one. Sometimes I see them in the early stages or midway through. Like, you know, sometimes we just happen to be naturally driving past the homes. But I haven't seen this one in person at all. So I've been following along like everyone else on your Instagram and I can't wait to see it when you are feeling it is finished.
Stephanie (23:45)
definitely this call after she finishes. So I'm very excited to see this on Sunday. I'm excited to see them in the room this week.
Thank you.
Kaitlin (24:07)
What if we started a tradition where we recorded a pod in each of the houses? Yeah, like when it's staged.
Stephanie (24:11)
When it's like done oh there there's no internet there Okay And the acoustics would be amazing
Molly Galler (24:16)
I love that idea.
Kaitlin (24:18)
Oh shoot. Hmm. Okay. I'll think about how I could make that happen because I feel like that would be kind of like a fun vibe. Like, Oh, okay. I'm going to look into how we hotspots. Don't people hotspot? Isn't that a thing? Wattpad hotspot. I don't know. Shit. Got nothing.
Stephanie (24:35)
You're asking the wrong...
Molly Galler (24:35)
Have candles, we'll travel. Okay, let's get into our topic for today, which is the author Tia Williams and two of her books that we absolutely adored. I want to start with Seven Days in June, which was kind of like the gateway book for all of us.
Stephanie (24:46)
Woo -hoo!
Molly Galler (24:58)
There are a few ways that I learn about new books besides these two brilliant women, which is I follow a ton of authors on Instagram and often they get advanced copies. And so if they're obsessed with something, they'll usually shout it out pretty loudly. And then there are a couple of book reviewers that I follow, same thing, like they'll talk about early access to stuff. Seven Days in June was all over the place in the months before it came out.
Stephanie (24:59)
I've done a lot of work on this, and I've done a lot of work on this, and this, and
Molly Galler (25:23)
So I added it to my Goodreads and then unbeknownst to me, it was selected as a Reese book club pick and then it like blew up. I thought this was her first book. It is not. Um, but I think it was such a phenomenon. It's like really the word, um, that many people thought that that this was like a debut novel and this was like her bursting onto the scene. Tia Williams has a very fascinating background, which is that she was a beauty blogger before she ever. Yes.
Stephanie (25:23)
So I added to my book, and then on the next week it was selected as a race book and then it blew up. I thought this was her first book, it is not. But I think it was such a phenomenal, it was really good work. That many people thought that this was like a date. Or this was like her first hang onto the scene. Do you want to test a very fascinating fact, which is that she wasn't a human being, or?
Kaitlin (25:43)
first thing onto the scene. Tia Williams has a very fascinating background, which is that she was a beauty blogger before she ever, yes, and I wrote down the name of it, but hold on, her beauty blog was called Shake Your Beauty, extremely cute, I love it. And then she was an advertising editor, Paul Lamer, 18 people, essence. And then she was an editor for Estee Lauder, the makeup.
Stephanie (25:50)
I didn't know that.
Molly Galler (25:52)
and I wrote down the name of it, hold on, her beauty blog was called Shake Your Beauty, extremely cute, I love a pun. And then she was an editor, magazine editor, L, Glamour, Lucky, Teen People, Essence. Then she was the editorial director for Estee Lauder, the makeup company, before the books came out. So Seven Days in June was my first one and I...
Kaitlin (26:12)
before the book came out. So, Seven Days in June was the first one, and I mentioned to you guys before we started recording. I always do my good, and it was really like the second that I finished a book, so it looks like it's fresh in my mind. I gave this five stars, and this is not the end of the book. I wrote on March 23rd, 2020.
Molly Galler (26:17)
mentioned you guys before we started recording. I always do my Goodreads review like the second that I finish a book while it's like fresh in my mind. I gave this five stars and this is not giving anything away. I wrote on March 23rd, 2023. I devoured this book. I was rooting for Eva and Shane every second. William's writing is raw and real and at times takes your breath away. There are so many brilliant phrases, sentences and entire pages that if I had been using a highlighter would have turned the whole book yellow.
Stephanie (26:17)
I always do like the quick review like the second that I finish the book, obviously the first one. I gave this five stars and this is not gonna be anything like I wrote on March 20th.
Kaitlin (26:32)
I did not know it
Stephanie (26:32)
I devalue this. I was rooting for you on the chain every single day. William's writings were hot every minute and time. It keeps your breath away. There were so many brilliant phrases and it is an entire page. This has already been on the internet and on social media and I can't get you to remember these characters when I'm reading them. I know some of you saw some of them out there reading them.
Molly Galler (26:46)
This has already been optioned for film slash TV and I can't wait to reunite with these characters when it premieres. I know Steph, you felt similarly about the writing. I'm gonna hand you our hard copy here.
Stephanie (26:58)
I didn't either. I don't think I realized that. So I just want to read the beginning because this book had me from the first sentence, but I'm going to read the first paragraph. I feel like this... In the year of our Lord 2019, 32 year old Ava Mercy nearly choked to death on a piece of gum. She'd been attempting to masturbate when the gum lodged in her throat, cutting off her air supply.
Molly Galler (27:00)
Oh, it is.
Kaitlin (27:01)
So I just want to read this book. Well, wait, should we say what this is what this book is about? No. OK, you do the page and then I'll do it.
Molly Galler (27:06)
Thank you.
Stephanie (27:28)
As she slowly blacked out, she kept imagining her daughter, Audrey, finding her flailing about in Christmas jammies while touching a tube of strawberry lube and a dildo called the quarterback, which vibrated a much higher frequency than advertised, gum choking frequency. The obituary headline would be Death by Dildo, hell of a legacy to leave her orphan 12 year old.
Molly Galler (27:28)
As she slowly walked through, she kept imagining her dog, Audrey, finding her hands about in Chrissy's channel box, touching a few of the strawberry leaves until it was hard to back, which I was able to see, I had to see, then I realized gum jellies were missing. The ambituary had a creepy death or a death. All of the legs were torn from one of the dogs. Okay, so we're going to take a look at the painting, and I'm going to talk to you about it later.
Kaitlin (27:35)
I'm watching you. Strawberry loop.
Okay. So the rest of the book, I would say, is not quite as saucy as that opening. So don't let that scare you. It's a ho - yeah. But this is a book about, this is how it was pitched to me because this was in the depths of my TBR pile. I had been given this a long time ago and it just kept going towards the bottom. And then finally, Molly and stuff were like, read this goddamn book. We need to do a pot about it.
Molly Galler (27:58)
I don't know if that scares you, but it's a concept. This is a book about, this is how it was pictured to me, because this was a book that was out in community, I had to put this all in the right place, and it kept going.
Stephanie (27:58)
No, it's a hook. Yes.
Molly Galler (28:19)
Both of us.
Stephanie (28:19)
I need to do a talk about this. One of you are going to be putting in...
Kaitlin (28:21)
I, one of you or both of you put it as a book that you wish you could read again for the first time. Did you do it too, Mal? Yeah, both of you did. And then that's when I was like, okay, I got to dig this out. It's about two kids from traumatic backgrounds that meet in Washington, DC at the end of 12th grade. And they're together for this like very passionate, very eye -opening week in which.
Stephanie (28:26)
Me. Oh yeah, no, we both did. Yeah.
take this out. It's about two minutes.
Molly Galler (28:37)
that is the end of fall season. And there's another that's half and half. I think the inmates, they both have health issues and they have a really bad knee injury. Also, I've learned that childhood distance is high. And that's 20 years later.
Stephanie (28:38)
that you watch them see at the end of all the grades and they're very passionate, very... I think in fiction, they both have felt the investments and they've never really met anybody else that accidentally challenges them as the matter is trying to end that 20 years later, at a time they were 15 years later, they have both...
Kaitlin (28:50)
They both have felt like misfits and they've never really met anybody else that academically challenges them is the way I would describe it. And then 20 years later or however long later it is, 15 years later, they have both become writers and they haven't seen each other since that week and they bump into each other and it kind of turns both people's worlds upside down in different ways.
Stephanie (29:08)
and have to see each other since that week and give up that trust in each other and it kind of turns all people's morals into something else in different ways. And it's about people that are caught in obstacles and battle their fears and exterior events and what success can look like. There's the inter - between friends and family on the internet.
Molly Galler (29:17)
world so excited about in different ways. It's about people that are people with obstacles and about the inner and the exterior of things. And what success looks like and the banter between the front and the rear car and the rear seats. And here's what we're going to do. We're going push the dog into this hole. And it's just fun.
Kaitlin (29:20)
And it's about people that are overcoming obstacles and battling inner demons and exterior demons and what success can look like. And there's good banter between friends and between love interests. And there's a really precocious daughter who plays a cool role in it. And it's just got a lot of different things going for it.
Stephanie (29:37)
and there's a really coaxious daughter who plays a cool role in it. And there's just a lot of different things going for it. And I actually was very heard off in the book in the first 20 years of talking to a blind step -slave, I don't know if it's basically that, but the person who actually played a blind love story, she started off being a blind love story.
Molly Galler (29:46)
and it's going forward. And that's how it is.
Kaitlin (29:48)
And I actually was very turned off from the book in the first 20 pages. I'm not going to lie. Steph is like got a shocked face right now, but like the main character, Eva, who you later find out her real name is Jean Vievre. She starts off being at this like book fan convention for her book series called Cursed, which is about like.
Molly Galler (29:55)
um, so, I'm just playing a little bit a shop piece right now, but the director, you know, the new writer, I don't know if you've heard of but she started off being like this book fan, and then came back with a book series called First, which is about witches and witches and witches and witches and witches and and witches and witches and and and witches and and witches and witches and witches and and and and and witches and witches
Kaitlin (30:14)
witches and vampires and it's saucy and she like makes all this money off of this like book series and she's got these like funky fans and she has like a debilitating migraine condition that she's kind of like dealing with in stressful situations and I just didn't find her super likable at the start and I was like oh boy like she's gonna be one of two main characters like this is really she's like
Molly Galler (30:24)
She has like the ability to fight with it and she's trying to deal with it in stressful situations. And I just really kind of felt like, I'm sorry, I was like, oh boy, she's gonna be one of the two main characters? This is really cool. She's like got a point off and she's like pretty fancy and like, she has this interesting personality, but she also like kind of has a lot more.
Stephanie (30:43)
She's like, got a cool outfit, she's like pretty fancy and like she's got, she has this like a visit on her feet so she's like, I was going on a walk with her, we all got a drink. I was just like, met her and it wasn't until the flashback where you find out how far she's come that I was like, ooh, now she's interesting. Where, truly, the male protagonist, he was interested in how she got to know the girls.
Kaitlin (30:44)
got it going on and she's like pretty fancy and like she's got she has this like invisible disease but she also like kind of has it going on and things are going pretty well for her and like I was just kind of like meh on her and it wasn't until the flashbacks where you find out how far she's come that I was like ooh now she's interesting. Whereas Shane the male protagonist he was interesting from the go to me because.
Molly Galler (30:53)
I was a fellow at the MNN, and it wasn't until the class class where he taught me how to write a book that I was able to do after the class. Where in between the two guys, the male protagonist, he was a big thing for me to make a big difference. He is a really good writer and basically does promotions for everything. He's kind of like a...
Kaitlin (31:13)
He is a really prolific writer who basically does no promotion for anything. He's kind of like a background guy, very mysterious. He's like two years sober, has kind of had a lot of ups and downs in his life that like drinking has kind of been a constant. And he teaches English at these like random high schools where he mentors kids that he sees himself in. So like as an English teacher, like...
Stephanie (31:13)
He is a really close and great friend of mine. He's a good friend. He does know culture for everything. He's kind of like a back road actor. He's very serious.
Molly Galler (31:19)
my new business. He's like three years so far, has kind of had a lot of thoughts about his life that like current games kind of have a constant. And he teaches English and he's like in the most falls worth of edge work that he's consulted. So like as an English teacher, like literally from the first page that he came into existence, I was like, I want to...
Stephanie (31:22)
He's like two years sober, has kind of had a lot of ups and downs in his life that I think has kind of been a constant. And he uses English, but he's like right at the place where all the different vet work is that he sees himself in. So like as a middle -aged user, like literally from the first page that you exist, I was like, I'm in, I'm in the work.
Kaitlin (31:40)
Literally from the first page that Shane exists, I was like, I'm in, I want to know more about him. He's interesting. And it just took a little longer with Eva. And I think that once I got like maybe 50, 60 pages in, I was like so intrigued by Shane that I like stayed along for the ride. And then when I found out more about Eva, I was like, okay, like I'm in.
Molly Galler (31:47)
and it's just so really nice to keep up. And I think once I got these 50, 60 pages in, I was like so intrigued by Jameet that I stayed a while for the high notes. And I found that...
Stephanie (31:47)
he's interesting. And it's a really popular theme. And I said that once I got my papers, 50, 60 pages in, I was like so intrigued by school that I stayed a long, long time. And I found out more about you, but I was like, okay, I'm talking to you. And was like, yeah, I'm talking to you. But you have...
Kaitlin (32:07)
I dog eared some pages, which is against my religion because I was reading this in airports back and forth from Florida. But I do have a couple spots that kind of like, um, I thought the phrasing was just really good. And I was like, this has got a lot more going on than just like a rom -com.
Molly Galler (32:15)
But I do have a few spots that I would like. I thought the reason was just for the right person to sit down.
Stephanie (32:16)
this hot thing. I just freeze and it's just really good.
Molly Galler (32:28)
Well, to answer your question, I don't want people to deter me that this isn't a book. I think I like the book than any book. In my life, the journal I'm going to be searching for books for is sort of like light, fluffy, cosmic, what I think that would be.
Stephanie (32:28)
Well, to that point, can I just say that I don't want people to be deterred by the fact that this is in the romance section. I personally didn't think of it as a romance book. In my mind, the general romance section of the bookstore is sort of like light, fluffy, cosmic run -ins that would never happen in real life. And instead, this book feels very rooted in realistic, everyday traumas.
Kaitlin (32:36)
that is coming forth and in memory of the gem.
Molly Galler (32:50)
And this book feels very rooted in realistic, every piece of it, and doesn't feel like you have to do it all at the first tear. It has to be a place, and it's in Lake City. That is how the book is. So.
Kaitlin (32:51)
It feels very real and everything is calm and doesn't feel like a funny year. That is not what it is. So don't think that it's funny because it's located in the wrong intersection. I totally feel like I'm talking about this more than I think I'm calling it. I feel like it's more sophisticated than that.
Stephanie (32:57)
and doesn't feel light and fluffy, even though that first paragraph that I read might seem light and fluffy. That is not what the book is. So don't think like I'm not going to enjoy this book because it's located in the romance section.
Molly Galler (33:07)
I totally agree. I feel like when I talk to people about this book, I don't even want to call it a romance. I feel like it's so much more sophisticated than that and it delves into their past in a way that's really powerful. And while Caitlin is looking for the other pages she wants to read, I just want to say that I was picturing while I was reading this, this one particular actor as Shane.
Stephanie (33:16)
I don't recall calling it. I feel like it's sophisticated, but it delves into the past in a way that's really powerful and all -caping. Other pages from last week, I just want to say that I was really...
Kaitlin (33:21)
wasn't he also in the vampire diary sequel? yes, as jesse. he's also in
Stephanie (33:32)
This one is about a character named Shane. His name is Ember, and he's a big fan of his current watch touch show. He has a lot of and he's also a big fan of the original. Yeah, I could not put this in the last one. I mean, it's a lot. Anyway, I'm not going to be talking about rest, but that's what I'm to say.
Molly Galler (33:35)
His name is Kendrick Sampson and he played Nathan on Insecure for anybody who watched that show. He has like the most...
Yes, as Jesse. He's also in How to Get Away with Murder. Anyway, I have no idea who they're gonna cast, but that's who I was picturing mentally. I just, there's something about him, even though he's like so flawed and he has so much going on and he's like his own worst enemy. You're just like attracted to him. There's something about...
Kaitlin (33:52)
Yeah, could not think of the name of that. I'm doing too many things at once.
Stephanie (34:01)
There's something about me that's so crowded, there's so much going on, it's like it's going to be a year just like that to crack it down. There's something about me that wants to go home and just get a little bit of a beam of writing. She was told about this and she has this little item that kind of falls for her. So the pen came and I just put it on my wrist and I just, I don't know, I just just, I it on I don't
Molly Galler (34:11)
who he wants to become and the way he doesn't care about the fame of his writing. And, you know, she is the total opposite. She has like this incredible fandom that follows her everywhere. Also, her pen name in the book is Eva Mercy, which I just love. I just think that's like an amazing pen name for like a fanfic -y type author.
Kaitlin (34:22)
I just think that's an amazing thing to see.
Stephanie (34:28)
I think that this would be beautiful on screen and it would destroy me and I would cry horribly, but I think it would be... I really hope that it gets made.
Molly Galler (34:39)
Yeah, me too. Okay.
Kaitlin (34:40)
Okay, so here are a couple of I'm I feel like recently I've really been like a minor character gal like I've really I'm oh I'm big on sidekicks and books usually like growing up reading books that had sidekicks I always liked them better and like Ron Weasley is my favorite character in Harry Potter like I love a sidekick but recently the minor characters have really been like
Stephanie (34:41)
Okay, so here are the couple of...
Molly Galler (34:46)
Thank you.
Stephanie (34:50)
I think I'm excited for some of these beautiful things. I'm really hoping that I get to do some of these things.
Molly Galler (35:04)
Thank you.
Kaitlin (35:06)
pulling me in. I don't know if it's just that I'm reading books where the authors do them really well. But at the beginning of the book, there's these like two literary friends that Eva has and they have these like hilarious lunches and dinners and they're just in each other's lives and like very like robust ways where they kind of can say anything to each other. And there's at one point in the book, they're at a like a book convention thing and
Molly Galler (35:08)
that I think that's a lot of people definitely well. But there's basically two.
is a clear lunch is dinner. And it's a very broad, very broad estimate. And so I think that's it. And I think that's it as well. They're active, like a book convention thing. And Eva says.
Stephanie (35:33)
They're at a book convention thing and Eva says, what's the point of this? Have you ever been to a book convention? And her friend says, physically, yeah, the spirit comes out. And Eva says, really, I've never been to a Yes, of course. I feel like we have to work. Physically, yeah, we The spirit comes out. And that's what Eva said.
Kaitlin (35:37)
Um, Eva says to one of her friends, she goes, have you ever been in a Walmart? And her friend goes, physically, yes. Spiritually, no. And I want to like bring that into my life on a regular basis. Like, yes, I force it. I feel that way about Florida. Like physically I was in Florida, but spiritually I was not there. And then later on in the book, again, the trio of friends is having like a serious.
Molly Galler (35:40)
Yes, ditto.
Again, it's real, but I'm not a serious politician because I'm serious. I mean, they're all talking about bad people.
Stephanie (36:03)
of the end of the trio of friends having a serious, not a serious conversation, this last year, you can't beat that. They're talking about vaginal health, like the doctor said, something that might come up in the end. And so she's like, this is what we've been trying to unite between, this is like a fire hose, this is a real bad situation, and then like her two friends are going off about vaginal health, and like getting them to join us, please, and all this other stuff. And they're like, you know.
Kaitlin (36:06)
not a serious conversation because how serious it's going to be, but they're talking about vaginal health with each other, which is something that might come up with women. This is when Eva has been reunited with Shane and she's like, I'm playing with fire here. This is a real bad situation and her two friends are going off about vaginal health and getting their vaginas cleaned and all this other stuff. There's an inner monologue part with Eva where she goes,
Molly Galler (36:14)
And so, this is when Ika has been like, she's like, I'm like fired or like, rolled out of this situation.
Stephanie (36:33)
I was wondering if you were to ask, am I really laying my heart into the deep of these pockets? I've been laying my months. I've like, I'm not laying my heart into the deep of these pockets for many I'm not laying my the deep for many My favorite part is she didn't give off the cutest tweet in the world. This is like really...
Kaitlin (36:35)
Am I really laying my burdens at the feet of these muppets? I was like, I have been in moments where I've been like, I'm really laying it all out here and people are like totally on like a different channel right now. And then my last favorite part is Shane gives Audrey, Eva's tween daughter, this like really kind of funny explanation about this turtle that he meets.
Molly Galler (36:57)
between daughter. This like really funny escalation about this terminal experience. While he's like living the fraud, he's like, this terminal will come and go. The terminal will come and go, and then show back to the people that here. I would be like, it's okay. I'm like right now, the terminal is like constantly disappearing. He's like, I'm coming in here. I'm coming in here.
Stephanie (37:00)
kind of funny explanation about this tour we have to do. While he's living abroad, he's like, this tour is coming up, and the tour is going to gone for a while, so I have to go that government didn't always spend there. I would be like, it's okay, I can give you a ride out, like, right to the back, and the tour would stay with us for a while, and then disappear again. He's like, I have this tour, and he's like, I'm coming in and I'm going to give you a ride, and I'm going to give a ride, and I'm going give you a ride, and and I'm give you to give ride, and I'm going to give you a ride, and I'm going to give you a ride, and I'm going to give you a ride, and I'm going to give you a ride, and I'm going to give you a ride,
Kaitlin (37:04)
while he's living abroad. And he's like, this turtle would come and go, and then the turtle would be gone for a while, and then all of a sudden it would show back up like it had always been there. And I would just be like, it's okay. I forgive you right from the bat. And then the turtle would stay with me for months, and then it would disappear again. And he's like, I just had this turtle that just kept coming in and out of my life, and it just had free rein, and I let it do whatever it wants, and blah, blah, blah, blah. And so then Audrey, the tween daughter,
Molly Galler (37:28)
like what if I'm not? And so then Audrey, her daughter, looks at Eva and she goes, which one of you is eternal? And they're like, what? And she goes, which one of you is eternal? You know, one of these comes back and again, one of the other leaves. It's a metaphor, like, think about it. And so they kind of just like, this is like a kind of classic film, filled with that, where they're like,
Stephanie (37:30)
And so then Audrey, her daughter, looks at the red jello and she goes, which one is the turtle? And they're like, what? And she goes, which one is the turtle? And the one that comes back to me is again, on the other piece. It's metaphorical. Think about that. And so then Audrey's like, oh my god, you know, filter, whatever. It's being like, I'm watching it.
Kaitlin (37:33)
looks at Eva and Shane and she goes, which one of you is the turtle? And they're like, what? And she goes, which one of you is the turtle? You know, the one who leaves and comes back and leaves again while the other waits. It's a metaphor writers think about it. And so they have this like, this like girl who has like no filter whatsoever, just being like, I'm watching the two of you. And this is like,
Molly Galler (37:59)
Also in real life Tia has a tween daughter and many of this commentary is based on her. We also read her book that just came out in February called A Love Song for Ricky Wilde. Steph graciously pre -ordered it and went to Pellmont Books and picked it up so that we could dive into it immediately with the rest of the readers.
Kaitlin (38:00)
this shouldn't be as much of a disaster as it is and like get it together basically.
Stephanie (38:01)
And this could be as much of a disaster as an end to what we're to have in the next 20 years. Also, we have a T .F. between the operators and the college. We also have her book that just came out in February called A Lots of People Are in Wild Step, a great just -in -point work that you can do on all of these different jobs so that you can dive into it immediately across different readers.
Kaitlin (38:19)
I'm graciously pre -ordered. I love it. I absolutely love diving into it immediately with the rest of the readers. I was so into this book because how much I love it is like, I shouldn't have had the head space to go into it. Like, writing the copy of the previous book and expecting the next one to be magic, for writing this book, I still change great.
Molly Galler (38:29)
I was so excited to read this book because of how much I loved Seven Days in June. I should have known that that was a bad headspace to go into it. Like, like riding the high of the previous book and expecting the next one to match it. Her writing still makes me laugh out loud. I still think great at Panther, which as we've discussed is the key to so many of these books. This story is set in Harlem in New York.
Stephanie (38:31)
She's great at banter.
Kaitlin (38:46)
greater, which as we discussed is the key to some of the other discussions. This story is set in New York and has a very, it's a very nice history and there's some kind of humorous stuff that they talk about. A lot of leading characters celebrates the history of our country on our day. I am going to go into this because I feel like it's important. So if you guys have time to see if you want to just see your head in 30 seconds. There's some time travel I want to...
Molly Galler (38:55)
It has a very deep sense of place and history and there's some kind of cool stuff that they talk about about how the main character celebrates the history of Harlem in the modern day. Um, I am going to give away one element of this cause I feel like it's important. So if you guys haven't read this yet and you want to just seek ahead like 30 seconds, there's some time travel involved here. And I didn't know that going in.
Stephanie (38:55)
Neither did I when I purchased the hardcover.
Kaitlin (39:14)
I didn't know that. I didn't know that. It was just a hard answer.
Molly Galler (39:20)
Yeah. And when I got to that part, I think out loud, forget the inner monologue, out loud, I went, oh no. Like I just, it was a turn I wasn't wanting or needing. And it felt like I got less excited to keep going. I did finish because I love her and I thought maybe it's going to redeem itself. I looked back at my Goodreads review this morning. I give this one three stars. It's still beautifully written. It's still very moving. It just didn't like gut me.
Kaitlin (39:20)
Yeah. And what I think about it, I think I was like, I that in the moment, I felt like, oh no, like, I just, it was a time that it just didn't feel like anything. And it felt like I felt like I was less excited to keep going. I didn't finish because I woke up and I thought, I'm gonna be so pretty. I woke up and I thought, I'm so pretty. I gave this one three stars. It's still beautiful, it's still very beautiful. It just didn't feel like it. It was gone.
Stephanie (39:26)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (39:48)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (39:48)
the way Seven Days in June did. And I think that's common, where like a writer has a book that's crazy explosive successful and the follow -up sometimes just isn't on the same level.
Stephanie (39:51)
I think that we should have gone into it not thinking at all about seven days in June because how can you even compare to that? You can't. It was perfection.
Molly Galler (40:03)
Yeah. Hard to follow it up, but I've been following along on her book tour because we follow her. And it has been so freaking cool to see how many women of so many different ages, so many different races are showing up to support her every single place that she goes. Packed rooms, standing room only, people buying the hardcover, waiting to have it signed, like...
Kaitlin (40:12)
hard to follow her, but I've been following her on her book tour for this week's vlogger. And it has been so freaking cool to see how many different, so many different places, so many different places. For a show where I'm just a boarder, every single place that she goes, after one standing with people who are waiting to have this kind of like, people dressing as the character, even when I see it in her books. I mean, it's just like, it's awesome to see what a fandom she has.
Stephanie (40:18)
And it has been so pretty cool to see how many women from so many different ages, so many different races, are showing up to support her every single time. So she goes from actor to real estate agent. People want her. People want We need to have her inside. Like, people dressing as the character, even dressing as the postman. It's just like, it's awesome to see what a fandom she has. And whatever she comes out with.
Molly Galler (40:33)
people dressing as the character Eva Mercy in her books. I mean, it's just like, it's awesome to see what a fandom she has. And whatever she comes out with next, I'm sure I will read it. Because I just, I don't know, similar to like Jasmine Guillory, I'm like, I just love this person and I'm just going to keep.
Kaitlin (40:42)
And whatever she comes out with, I'm sure we'll read it. Because I don't know, some of them are just like Jasmine Dillard. I just love this person and I'm just going to keep her. We probably need to go back and read her first two books. Yes, so the other books are The Perfect Find, which is actually now a definitely similar book. I really like it. And then...
Stephanie (40:45)
We probably need to go back and read her first two books.
Molly Galler (40:54)
Yes, so the other books are The Perfect Find, which is actually now a Netflix movie with Gabrielle Union, and then The Accidental Diva. Those are the two that came out earlier. So if people are interested, we'll put all of this on Instagram so you have the full book list, but she does have others if you're curious about kind of what came before Seven Days in June. The other thing that I want to say about Seven Days in June is...
Kaitlin (41:02)
The other thing that I want to say about Seven Days in June is there is a point in the book
Stephanie (41:02)
The Accidental Diva, those are the two that came out earlier. So if people are into both, we don't have to sign this because we have a full book list, but she does have a book list if you're curious about what came before Seven Days a Year. The other thing that I want to say about Seven Days a Year is there is a point in the book where I probably got very angry at one of my new year groups, you know.
Molly Galler (41:23)
There is a point in the book where I feel like that very real, like, fear of being noticed is light for them because she talks about cursed being optional to them and they want to play motion and not have fear of being laughed at. And she's like, yeah, yeah, that's not you. Like, you don't want that. And she's like, I don't want that. But like, it would take the pressure off of me putting out there.
Kaitlin (41:27)
where I felt like it got very real and might've mirrored Tia Williams's life a little bit because she talks about cursed being optioned to become a movie, but they want to whitewash it and not have the characters be black. And Shane is like, yeah, you can't, like that's not you. Like you don't want that. And she's like, I don't want that, but like it would take the pressure off of me putting out more books in this series. Like I would have a paycheck.
Stephanie (41:31)
is life long enough because she also cursed the opportunity called moving when they went to night wash and not the air could be fine.
And Trudy was like, yeah you can't, that's not you, you don't want that. And she's like, I don't want that. But it would take the pressure off of me putting out more books in this series. I would probably be attracted to live off it for a lot of people. Because if you wish to do this at an instant, it would buy you some time. And so I'm wondering, I hope that that's not happening.
Molly Galler (41:53)
in a series like I've been doing a lot to live off of for a while. It was a lot of work.
Kaitlin (41:56)
to live off of for a while and pay my kids tuition and do this, that, and the other thing, it would buy me some time, right? And so I'm wondering, like, I hope that that's not happening with her book in real, I hope that's not happening with her book in real life. And I think that she wouldn't let it happen. But I also want to talk about the cover just for a minute.
Molly Galler (42:11)
with.
Stephanie (42:11)
with her book, you know, I just have to say that she wouldn't let it happen. But I also want to talk about color just for a minute. Because the color is just actual contrasts to contrasts of people that you can find in it's in my life. And...
Molly Galler (42:13)
I don't I don't know what's happening at the moment, but I do want to talk about color. The biggest problem is that it's actually very difficult to actually connect people into the body. And it's the fact that I cannot do a full length QC character or a full length character.
Kaitlin (42:23)
because the cover is like an actual photograph of two African -American people like intertwined and it's in black and white. And it's not the typical like cutesy caricature cartoon, you know, the bearded guy with the ax and then the girls in the flouncy dress and you know, the ones that I'm embarrassed to bring up to the register. It's not that at all.
Stephanie (42:34)
I do not have a whole like cutesy character or attitude, you know, the beard is not that I'm gonna go into all of those actions, you know, I'm gonna get into all of those actions, you know, I'm not gonna get into all actions, you get all of you of actions, gonna gonna gonna get of
Molly Galler (42:44)
and then the time of the last thing that goes on is like, there's to what happened here. There's not that much after. And so I think that the other book, the last one for a while, is similar. It's both happening again, but real cool. And I just think that that is a great testament to how hard it is to commit to doing this sort of right thing. And she's like, yeah.
Kaitlin (42:53)
And so I think, and then her, the other book, a love song for Ricky Wilde is similar. It's photographs again of real people. And like, I just think that that is a really good testament to her probably being committed to doing these stories, right? Because she's like, yep, this is a book that's about these people and this is how I imagined it. And this is how it's going out into the world. And.
Stephanie (42:58)
It's both academic and real people. And I just think that that is a real testament of how committed she is to doing this right. She's like, yeah, this is about these people, and this is how Ryan has meant, and this is how it's going out in the world. And you just don't really see a lot of that. So I think that's the first thing I can do to raise the bar.
Molly Galler (43:13)
This is about the new people and this is about my family and this is how it's going out in the country and the <|cs|> <|translate|> that part of that. So, the first step is to increase the barriers and to have more people in the It's gentle. And that's it's all about. So, how the future is going to look. <|23.00|>
Kaitlin (43:21)
You just don't really see a lot of that. The only other person I can think of in recent years that has had real people on her covers is Jenny Han. And when the summer I turned pretty came out, the lead was a white girl.
Stephanie (43:29)
Wasn't it like from the side so you didn't really see her face? Oh Sorry, I'm thinking of the other books
Molly Galler (43:38)
Wasn't it like from the side so you didn't really see the face? She was taller. Oh sorry, I'm gonna have the other books. Yeah, so as you said, later on, we'll have a read out and listen to it. And it happens that she's on the side of
Kaitlin (43:42)
She was blonde. She was a white girl.
Yeah. So, and then she changed it so that the lead character was half Korean and the same thing with her other book series. And then all of a sudden, you know, I was like, okay, she like made a decision and the covers were an Asian girl. And I was like, okay, so she's like, we're doing this. And I just think that that is really...
Stephanie (43:59)
that, you know, it's like, she like made the decision, Congresswoman Mark, she's wrong. And I was like, okay, she made the right choice. And I was just like, that is really important.
Molly Galler (44:05)
I'm sure you're right and I and what's interesting is Another book we chatted about on here a couple weeks ago that I finished sex lies and sensibility That's also a black female romance author and her cover is like cartoony illustrated
Kaitlin (44:12)
important for authors to do and the fact that she mentioned it within her book makes me think that it's a thing that she has had to maybe battle a little bit.
Stephanie (44:29)
Sure. I read this week the second book.
Molly Galler (44:35)
And I do wonder what conversations like happened behind closed doors about what the cover will look like and why the publisher wants it to be a certain way. But I agree, she probably, Tia Williams had to really push for these books to look like this. And I'm so glad that they do.
Should we talk about what we're reading now?
Stephanie (44:58)
to Stephanie Garber's Once Upon a Broken Heart. This one's called The Ballad of Never After. I read the first one a couple weeks ago. It's, I think it's considered like a YA fairy tale type book. It's exactly what I needed while tiling. It's quests and curses and magical spells and trying to figure out if this...
Molly Galler (45:08)
Thank you.
is exactly what I I did some classes in culture and math and spellings. And I figure out if this course is very relevant in terms of how to connect with other people, how to avoid that. It was probably. It was just my nature.
Stephanie (45:24)
quote -unquote fairy tale this character has been told her whole life is actually based on real people, how to unwind that, and it was lovely. It was just what I needed. Just, you know, completely opposite from reality. So I'm enjoying it and now I have to order the third book. So, yeah.
Kaitlin (45:32)
I was in Florida, so I had some time in airport. So I finished seven days in July and June. Oh my God. I've called it the wrong month every single time. Seven days in June, I finished it. And then a bunch of my students, I always try to do, um,
Molly Galler (45:35)
and I wanted to get a different set of realities. So I'm going to join in now. I'm already tired about this stuff. I was born as a black man. I met my father's wife in 1978 and died in June. Oh my god. I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. And then.
Stephanie (45:47)
And then, some of my students, I always try to do book talks, like book pitches, before we go on the walk, because they don't know what it's like. And Tom goes, like, this is your time. Like, pick something you want to read, read it. So I use this. Plot like 10 books from my library.
Kaitlin (46:02)
book talks, like book pitches before we go on a long break because they don't have homework assigned. And so I'm always like, this is your time to like pick something you want to read and read it. And so I usually just pluck like 10 books from my library and like do book talks on them and like try to get them interested in ordering them or going to the library. Or we just had the book fair before break. And my students are like,
big time readers this year, like the entire crew of them. So they jump in and then they have me email all of the titles. It's the cutest. It's like, it feels like a hug. I'm just like, this is the most wonderful. Sometimes they hit reply all and say, I just finished this one and I think so and so would like it. And it's adorable. It's so cute. So I admitted that I had not read Good Girl's Guide to Murder.
Molly Galler (46:26)
I'm not big time wearer, just like the entire crew of them. So they chuck in and then they have the email and then they ask if it's a true list. It's like, it feels an odd cover. Just like, this is the most beautiful. Sometimes it gets a lot of likes. It's a source. Like if someone tells you, like, isn't it? It's a source. It's so cute. So, I can't talk about that in front of my eyes. I'm just holding back my eyes and I'm just how it's been.
Stephanie (46:37)
I'm just like, this is the most wonderful. Sometimes people are quiet and say, I think there's this one, I think it's so and so like here. It's adorable. It's so cute. So I did not know that you were close by at first. I told you that I had a few next to me. I was like, I told you that I had a few next to me. I'm just about to come across this line. And I think I have a friend. And I was like, I think I have a friend.
Kaitlin (46:52)
I told them that I had and then the next day I was like, I totally lied. I have not read that. I mixed it up with one of us is lying. And I was like, I haven't read it. And I was like, but I think my friend Steph has it. So I'm going to read it over break. And they were like, oh my God, the girl from Wednesday, the best friend that's blonde, she's going to be the lead in it. And they've already started filming it. And.
Stephanie (47:07)
And was like, oh my god, the girl from Wednesday, my best friend, she's gonna be an alien in the future, they've already started talking about it. There's no way, you must read it, the world is like, you might have to read this. So I ran over to the page and she read it, and I like, well, it's her mystery, at least this is all kind of genetic, and this girl decides to do her senior costume project on this girl, and it's a fact.
Kaitlin (47:16)
there's more than one book and you have to read it. And it was like three different girls were like in my face being like, you have to read this. So I read it over vacation and it was delightful. And it's, you know, it's a murder mystery. It takes place in a small town in Connecticut. This girl decides to do her senior capstone project on this girl who has never been found and her boyfriend commits suicide. And they basically think that that's his like admission of guilt. And this girl, no,
Molly Galler (47:38)
And then she would tell him, he's putting him in the bathroom, he's going to the bathroom, and this girl built, this girl, and after that, a new boy. And it was like, he was not like that. He was kind to her. I was like, I'm going this. And then she like wanders into this investigation, and she turns to him, and she turns, she very much wants to twist and things to see if she unveil, and it's really hard to believe.
Kaitlin (47:45)
this girl that's doing the capstone project knew the boy and was like, he was not like that. He was so kind to me when I was like a younger dweeby kid. I want to investigate this. And then she like launches into this investigation that puts her in danger and her family in danger. And she, there's like a lot of like twists and things that she unveils and it's just really.
Stephanie (48:06)
and it was really like that piece of good read and because it was from the perspective of a capsule project written by a teammate girl, which I really liked and they developed it fast. And I just had a little bit of a setback I said, well, I found the director and so I did that. And the other thing is, butchered Blackburn, the first book that was called Trilogy, which I now know.
Molly Galler (48:08)
It was very, very bad these good years because it's from the percentage of the past one month, but now it's the next growth, which I would have liked to have back. And I just think that's a good thing.
Kaitlin (48:08)
It was really like a fast paced, good read. And because it's from the perspective of her capstone project, it's written like a teenage girl, which I really liked because it made it go really fast. And I just, I thought it was really great. And I bought the second book. I founded it at Target. And so I did that. And then the other book I'm reading is Butcher and Blackbird, the first book of the Ruinous Love trilogy, which I found out.
Molly Galler (48:27)
You know, what's your last word? The first one, which I had thought that there are almost no more of the House of Commons and so it's not a single house, but what you said. But what you're trying to do, my word, has 857 ,000 people. It's about two people who are infamous serial killers who haven't just needed an adult to try to hurt.
Kaitlin (48:35)
that they're all standalone books that have some kind of connection. So it's not the same couple, all three books. But Butcher and Blackbird has 857 trigger warnings at the beginning of it. It's about two people who are infamous serial killers who have a chance meeting and fall for each other and then also decide to make a game out of hunting people.
Stephanie (48:35)
that they're all stand -alone folks that have some kind of connection, so it's not the same copy of every box. But what I've heard from either of these guys is that two people who are infamous serial killers who have a chance to meet and fall for each other and also decide to make a game out of hunting people. And the assumption is that extra lives would be a good
Kaitlin (49:02)
And it's got kind of a Dexter vibe, like they only kill bad people. That's kind of how they like justify it. And so they make a game to like make the kill spicier and like more exciting for each of them, because this is how they like get off. They decide to hunt the same person and whoever gets there to the person first gets to kill them is basically.
Stephanie (49:05)
feel like bad people. That's how they justify it. And so they can't gain until it makes the kills twice here on site.
Molly Galler (49:20)
They decide on the same person and whoever gets the air from the first person gets the fill up.
Stephanie (49:20)
They have decided on the same person and whoever gets there, the person first, gets killed by the space alien. And that's what we have to do with the first one, the alien set. This is my part of the setup. It's corky, it's actually pretty funny. I think that it's like super -cruciful art to have, but we'll see later on in development to come out of the past setup and decide it for our town. If you don't, it's gonna end up being a scary place to live.
Kaitlin (49:27)
And that's not giving anything away because I'm 20 pages in and this is like already the setup. Um, it's quirky. It's actually pretty funny. I haven't gotten it to any like super gruesome parts yet, but both of these people clearly have like traumatic pasts that I'm excited to learn about because you don't just like end up being a serial killer. I don't think, um, it has unbelievable readings. People on Tik TOK are raving about it. I think the second book comes out soon.
Molly Galler (49:31)
like that. It's actually funny, I think, that it's a super smart thing, but there's a lot of past that I didn't
Um, and how, if you want to talk to people about it, and exactly what that's doing. The author is very active on socials and she, like, you know, acts as a tool, she's like, all the other people in the and then you're doing it for them, and she's like, yeah, she's like, doing it.
Stephanie (49:50)
I'm
Kaitlin (49:56)
The author, Brynn Weaver is like very active on socials and she like interacts with people and she's like, follow me on TikTok, follow me on Instagram. Here's my website. I have a newsletter. Like she's like doing it.
Molly Galler (50:10)
I'm interested to find out what the cookies are made of. It's kind of hard to use the word cookies. I'm not sure how use that. Basically, I'm interested in how to shape that. And in this first couple of pages, they talk about the fact that all the cookies are made of cookies.
Kaitlin (50:15)
Oh my gosh, it's going to be bad. Based on the, I mean, Steph, I don't know if you're going to, I mean, the first couple pages, they talk about maggots crawling out of a body and how it looks like little orzo pastas. That doesn't bother you? Okay. Then you'll be fine probably. Molly wants to die.
Stephanie (50:29)
No, it doesn't bother me. No. Orzo isn't gluten free, so it doesn't bother me.
Molly Galler (50:30)
That is a book I will not be reading but I look forward to hearing how Stephanie likes it. This week I went back to Lynn Painter land. We've talked about Lynn a lot. We have a dedicated episode about her. This book is called The Do -Over. Caitlin and Steph had already read it. This is a time loop.
Kaitlin (50:38)
Oh, is that how we're doing it? Okay.
Molly Galler (50:59)
story. I have to say, I think Lauren Oliver, Before I Fall, kind of wrecked me because that was such a good time loop and it was so well done and kept me kind of guessing and into it and... sure, for sure. Yes, totally different genre too, but I don't know. I think it kind of set me up to be like...
Kaitlin (51:11)
This is a totally different vibe time loop though, don't you think?
Molly Galler (51:22)
I don't know that this is holding my attention. I felt that the first half was kind of slow and I was surprised because I love her writing and I love her banter. And I was like, wow, I'm not like, I don't know racing through this in the way I have the other ones, but the back half I loved the two main characters, Emily and Nick wind up going on what she calls the day of no consequences, which I just love is like a concept. And it was just written so beautifully in the way that they're trying to like be very present with each other and realize that, you know, the clock's going to reset. And so.
Stephanie (51:45)
And it was just written so beautifully in the way that they're trying to be very practical with each other and realize that the clock's gonna reset and so, say I'm, say, be completely honest, get an eye out there. And then like, and I was very into it and I felt like everything we've done, because I thought this could be a TV show, this could be a movie, this one especially, I thought, this would be better as a movie than what we've done. God, we talked earlier and it was a film.
Molly Galler (51:52)
say everything they want to say, be completely honest, get it all out there. And then by the end I was like very into it and I felt like everything we've read of hers I thought this could be a TV show, this could be a movie, this one especially I felt like almost would be better as a movie. I feel like I would have gotten hooked earlier if it was in film form and then at the end, and I think she's done this for other books but maybe I just didn't notice it as much.
Kaitlin (52:11)
got much earlier if it was a film film. And then at the end, and I think she's done this for other weeks, but we may just didn't notice it as much. She has this one of five playlists, she was inspired by the characters, and I saw that and I immediately wanted look it up, because first of all it's like 50 % Taylor's book. There is one scene where I'm only thinking character, knowing that like the clocks could reset, just decides to do this unhinged shit one day for Christmas. And in that part of the book she says,
Stephanie (52:14)
And then at the end, and I think she's done this for other books, but maybe just didn't notice it as much. Just this one, why playlist? That's why I got the characters. And I saw that, and I think it took me about 50 to look it up, so it's like 50 % episode. But there are at least three books where Penelope, the main character, knowing nothing, the clocks, and who he's set just decides to do all this funny shit one day at her high school. And in that part of the book, she says,
Molly Galler (52:20)
which is a Spotify playlist inspired by the characters. And I saw that and I like went to my phone immediately to look it up. Cause first of all, it's like 50 % Taylor Swift. But there is one scene where Emily, the main character, knowing that like the clock's gonna reset, just decides to do all this unhinged shit one day at her high school. And in that part of the book, she says, I walked down the hall with Beastie Boys sabotage, like blaring in my head. And I was like, if that...
Kaitlin (52:41)
I walked down the hall for the Beastie Boys' footage and I was like, yep, that's cool. It's a thing that happened in the future, but it was fine because it was a completely chosen song. So I know that if you liked the other videos, you should definitely have this to your list. Like I said, a little bit of soul <|pl|> <|translate|> started from me, but I was really happy that I read it. And then it just started at this moment. Okay, I'm ready.
Stephanie (52:41)
I walked down the hall with my peace dee voice at the dodge. It was hilarious. And I was like, you know what? It doesn't make any difference. I'm looking for a different, more simple song. This is a perfect, chosen song. So anyway, if you like the other features, you should definitely add this to your list. I guess a little bit of a skill set for me, but I was really happy that I read it. And I just started this morning the book that I undergave on a previous episode, and it was my last.
Molly Galler (52:48)
doesn't make it into like the adaptation version of this I will die because it was like the perfectly chosen song. So anyway if you've liked the Otherland Painters you should definitely add this to your list. Like I said a little bit of a slow start for me but I was really happy that I read it. And then I just started this morning the book that I unwrapped on a previous episode which was my blind date book called Famous for a Living. I'm only like 30 pages in so I'll let you guys know how it is but...
Um, it has this cool kind of like visual treatment every chapter where it starts with, um, what looks like someone's Instagram account. And it's obviously about an influencer. So I'm looking forward to digging in. She is going to get canceled somehow and go to Montana. So I think I'm going to like it. Um, if you guys want to follow along with what we're reading and also see all of the great stuff that we talked about today, we'll share all of the Tia Williams covers and everything else we mentioned, give us a follow over on Instagram. We're at plans are booked. You can also email us.
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Kaitlin (53:49)
And until next time, our plans are booked.