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The Torchy’s boys are back and we are traveling in search of riches and some ghetto shenanigans. Walter Hill takes us on a journey to East St. Louis where two firefighters are hoping to strike it rich. They get ahold of a map that leads them to an old factory and some high powered gangstas. Will they escape with the gold or lose their heads? William Sadler, Bill Paxton, Ice-T, Ice Cube and our favorite Art Evans star in Trespass from 1992.
A multi-genre podcast where Gary and his co-hosts (Iris Walters, Suzanne Cappelletti and Jamie Sammons) put two films that share a thread on the table and talk about them with a bit of banter and laughter at each other’s expense.
Speaker 1: No, man, i like Savon man.
Speaker 1: I like him a lot, man, he's just a hothead.
Speaker 1: He thinks he knows it all.
Speaker 1: I used to be just like Savon man when I was coming up.
Speaker 1: Just like him.
Speaker 1: He just got to be philosophical about this shit, man, it's all crazy.
Speaker 1: As long as you know it's crazy, all right.
Speaker 1: The sooner you're trying to make logic out of this, you're fucked up, because it don't make no sense.
Speaker 1: See, the white man makes it so, right.
Speaker 1: Then he gives it to us.
Speaker 1: Then he wants to buy it from us, right.
Speaker 1: Then he puts us in jail when we sell it to him.
Speaker 1: man, it don't make no fucking sense.
Speaker 1: The only thing a man's got is his family and his pride.
Speaker 1: That's all he's got.
Speaker 2: Can you dig it?
Speaker 3: Can you dig it?
Speaker 3: Can you dig it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, every time you got a bar, the bar's got somebody that thinks he's as tough as a nickel steak.
Speaker 3: But they all come to speed with the Doraemon.
Speaker 3: I get this.
Speaker 3: We partners, we brothers and we friends.
Speaker 3: My little brother was 15 years old.
Speaker 3: Think about that.
Speaker 3: You're way out of your head.
Speaker 3: How about cutting the heat.
Speaker 2: Oh, I get it.
Speaker 2: You want some kind of contest, huh.
Speaker 3: You're real smart boys, i guess maybe you'll have to kill me A little hard if I do.
Speaker 1: Well, looks like I finally ran into someone that likes to play as rough as I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this must be a lucky night, my buddies.
Speaker 3: they're not nice like me.
Speaker 3: We're sponsored by You're not supposed to say nothing, soldier.
Speaker 3: They came looking for a dream.
Speaker 3: This, my friend, is a treasure man.
Speaker 3: We're gonna find that gold.
Speaker 4: Vince.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: I can smell it.
Speaker 1: They came looking to even a score, but I want to do it someplace way out, where nobody is off the track.
Speaker 3: What they found was a nightmare.
Speaker 3: They want us dead.
Speaker 3: You're witnesses.
Speaker 3: Damn it, Don.
Speaker 3: We're getting in awful deep.
Speaker 3: MCA Universal Home Video brings you a high-caliber adventure.
Speaker 3: you won't soon forget Director Walter Hill's Trespass.
Speaker 1: What the hell you white boy doing up here anyway?
Speaker 3: Walter Hill's most entertaining film since 48 hours, says USA Today.
Speaker 3: That right.
Speaker 3: The Boston Globe calls Trespass the best pure action movie of the year.
Speaker 3: You got a name.
Speaker 3: Starring Bill Paxton of Aliens I'm just here, i'm not looking for trouble.
Speaker 3: William Sadler of Die Hard 2.
Speaker 3: Hey you heard the deal.
Speaker 3: Now you're taking her.
Speaker 3: Leave it.
Speaker 3: Ice Tea of New Jack City.
Speaker 3: You need to stop thinking with your trigger finger and use your brain.
Speaker 3: And Ice Cube of Boys in the Hood.
Speaker 3: Ain't nobody king of the street?
Speaker 3: From the creators of the Back to the Future trilogy, trespass is a film packed with nonstop action and heart-stopping thrills.
Speaker 3: That's a hot one.
Speaker 3: Trespass, it's all about survival.
Speaker 3: It's all about getting yours Back off.
Speaker 3: So, valgo, trespass.
Speaker 5: Hello folks, welcome to the last Call of Torchy's.
Speaker 5: You're I can't say you're one of the only shows, but it is one of the only shows where we dive in to the?
Speaker 5: uvra, the filmography and directorial stuff of one Walter Hill, one of our favorite journeyman directors, writers, producers and all that good shit.
Speaker 5: But I'm here tonight with me, or the normal guys you would hear on this show, mr Lee Russell.
Speaker 5: How you doing, sir?
Speaker 2: I was doing better till I heard we had competition in the Walter Hill game.
Speaker 2: Who are these other people?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 5: You say you're the only one.
Speaker 5: There's going to be that other guy that makes the Walter Hill podcast.
Speaker 5: Oh okay.
Speaker 2: So you don't actually have any real podcasts that you know about.
Speaker 2: that are doing this?
Speaker 2: No, oh, okay, should.
Speaker 4: I put away my baseball bat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, alright, alright, we're going to go to Worcester, for sure.
Speaker 4: Warriors.
Speaker 5: Oh, i watched it for fun, just watching it work one day It was like a couple weeks ago Just turn it on, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a good having a background movie.
Speaker 5: I did the Cyrus Beach at work and I wasn't even drunk.
Speaker 5: So there's that.
Speaker 5: you know It's all called sober y'all.
Speaker 5: Kara Scott is here as well.
Speaker 5: You've heard him in the background.
Speaker 5: How you doing, sir.
Speaker 4: I'm doing great man.
Speaker 4: Glad to be here for this one.
Speaker 4: This is a good double bill we're doing here.
Speaker 5: Great, great, great.
Speaker 5: Yeah, i'm excited to be here too.
Speaker 5: I enjoy both of these things.
Speaker 5: I hate to say one more than the other one, because they're both.
Speaker 5: They're both pretty good.
Speaker 5: We're talking about the Patreon one too.
Speaker 5: You'll hear about that towards the end of the show, but this is TresPass.
Speaker 5: Bob Gale, robert Zemeckis, walter Hill Collaboration, i guess from the Tales of the Crypt days, is 1992.
Speaker 5: Three white guys making a hood movie.
Speaker 5: It's not bad, so that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: Well, at least they're honest about white people stumbling into the hood or fucking bumbling buffoons.
Speaker 5: So that's true.
Speaker 5: It's pretty good, very well in that sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay to fuck around and find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: You're cheating, i'm sorry.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say a couple of white guys going fucking around to eat St Louis where they shouldn't have trying to steal some shit.
Speaker 4: I mean, come on, they're asking for trouble.
Speaker 5: Yep For show for show.
Speaker 5: This movie's cheapo plots and options.
Speaker 5: from my MBB is to fireman in a burning building, get a treasure map.
Speaker 5: stolen gold church items are hidden in a closed down factory in East St Louis, illinois.
Speaker 5: They had that wrong on here.
Speaker 5: Once they're, they're trapped in, trapped in by a black gang considering it their territory.
Speaker 5: This, of course, is written, which is directed by Walter Hill, uh, written by Bob Gale and Robert Zemegas, and it stars a star study cast of people.
Speaker 5: Some folks are, most of these folks are versions to the Walter Hill universe.
Speaker 5: But Bill Paxson is back from those streets of fire as firefighters.
Speaker 5: William Sadler making his first appearance at well, not well, technically, a second appearance.
Speaker 5: I think I can't tell you which order the tales of the crypt came in, but I'm gonna top my head.
Speaker 5: But right around the same time I say yeah as Don or other firefighters.
Speaker 5: uh, iced tea as King James, ice cube as save money of both ices.
Speaker 5: folks, people, um, the great art Evans Um, when you couldn't get Stan Shaw, you got our Evans as the homeless guy Bradley in this movie.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about him.
Speaker 5: I'm sure I'd never white as lucky who's a King James is a brother in this movie and a play, bruce Young is Raymond, glenn Palmer is Luther T Russell as video Stoney Jackson back again from star streets of fire, as well as Wicked uh Tom, tiny Zeus Lister.
Speaker 5: I'm going to call him as the man with the fucking metal cleats in this movie.
Speaker 5: That's what they call him.
Speaker 5: Yes, I guess you know rightfully so Yeah shut those bears, goose.
Speaker 5: And then hell land in junior shows up as for like a hot second, as the guy who gives them the map, eugene right.
Speaker 5: You may know him in many things, including Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.
Speaker 5: As Ted's dad He's in that movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, good shit.
Speaker 5: Um, I was excited to do this movie and I'm going to kick it to some music because I know nothing about this movie.
Speaker 5: We had a soft sir.
Speaker 2: Yeah, um, this is the second time I watch this.
Speaker 2: I first watched this back in the 90s when it came on VHS and I rented it and I remember enjoying it quite a bit.
Speaker 2: I don't know, i never really came back to it though.
Speaker 2: It's kind of kind of surprises me now, but I really liked the second watch of it.
Speaker 2: I think that I think my big takeaway from this is that deep down under, like the sort of modern Sort of Accent to this, you know where it's, it's updated, but it's really a an adventure movie in some respects at its heart where it's.
Speaker 2: You know, white guys find a treasure map to an ancient treasure Hidden in a temple.
Speaker 2: In this case the temple is just updated to this big warehouse that's been abandoned, the in a.
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be racist here to say the native population is protecting the treasure and Trying to claim it for their own or whatever.
Speaker 2: So that's like the, the gang Elements that are also in the area.
Speaker 2: And then of course it spins off from that kind of structure to You know this sort of tents, sort of cat in most game, where there's a locked door between our two opposing forces and our dumb greedy white guys are trying to escape with the treasure and The black gangsters on the outside are trying to get in and get them.
Speaker 2: They have a hostage at one point and It's so becomes like a really good neo noir kind of crime movie as well at the same time, and a bit of an action movie.
Speaker 2: It's got all kinds of different elements kind of being brought into it And I think Walter Hill handles them pretty damn well.
Speaker 2: Like you know, it's kind of his steady hand behind this whole thing where he's done all of these sort of things basically a million times already, so he just puts them all in the pot and kind of and kind of plays with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i like this quite a bit.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed this, just watch.
Speaker 5: Cool Cameron.
Speaker 4: I love this movie.
Speaker 4: It's been a few years since I've seen it again.
Speaker 4: Like Lee, i like I haven't Revisited it in a long time, but it used to be in my heavy rotation back in the 90s.
Speaker 4: This used to be like a good party movie, much like our patreon movie that we're getting ready to walk Review here too as well.
Speaker 4: It was this.
Speaker 4: You know I love the soundtrack.
Speaker 4: I love, you know, the right cougar music.
Speaker 4: I love the incidental music and we used to sort of this at my house all the time when I'd have I'm dating myself here, but when I would have like D&D sleepovers, stuff like that.
Speaker 4: This would be a movie in heavy rotation and, much like you said, lee, it's, it feels almost like a cook making something familiar, making something like he knows all the ingredients.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have to measure, he doesn't have to, you know, be exact or anything.
Speaker 4: He just, you know, goes for it.
Speaker 4: It's very familiar territory with, you know, for Hill, but it's just, it feels like.
Speaker 4: It feels like a chef making you their best dish.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just.
Speaker 4: It's a great movie as well acted, i think, ice tea and ice Cuba really good at it.
Speaker 4: Everybody is Top notch and given it, they're all, especially cleatus, but I'll save my, my, my summary of it.
Speaker 4: But in for the end, which one of these that I loved watching more Better this time around, but this was a very, very fun rewatch for me, oh.
Speaker 5: I think this one quite a bit too.
Speaker 5: I'm.
Speaker 5: I'm glad we're to this point because you know we, we Um, got the last one me go directly to this film which I, which I what I love about Walter Hills.
Speaker 5: I guess they totally different but but familiar.
Speaker 5: And These two guys, you know real green around the gills, they got the eye, the eye for greed.
Speaker 5: They know where to find this, this treasure.
Speaker 5: I mean, they use the tools of the tray Which I can appreciate that they're firemen's, the picks to to break through floors, which yeah.
Speaker 5: I think you know It's fire, fires, that they've been doing this this long.
Speaker 5: They should know the building structural integrity a little better before when they walk into place They just start tearing up floors and ceilings and shit right Seems a little haphazard.
Speaker 5: It's a real small bitch but you know they're literally tearing up floors and in ceilings of this thing and anything and break.
Speaker 5: But you know When they're inside.
Speaker 5: You know the building in the beginning with the fire which you know.
Speaker 5: Great God, real fun guy on fire scene in that movie, that part by the you know There's there's two great stunts.
Speaker 5: I love this film for sure.
Speaker 5: That scene and The guy who was his name again, i forget his name, i gotta look him up now The one that tried to fuck over King James in the beginning of the movie, um, damn damn damn.
Speaker 5: Anyway, this guy.
Speaker 5: Raymond Raymond could be Raymond.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this guy eats shit Through a winter plane, oh, Better than else.
Speaker 5: goose, that's goose Yeah goose falls through the window All the way down I was way down He hits a spine on the railings.
Speaker 5: Oh, so he's not living through this guy's Yeah no, that, that was a great like drop man.
Speaker 2: That was That's up there of the one with the, the firefighter and wreck that like just comes out of nowhere And and it sort of drops in the background of where.
Speaker 2: oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's really good ouch.
Speaker 5: It's a great stunt.
Speaker 5: I love that stunt and, like I said, the guy in fire in the beginning was was pretty great because Yeah, full body bird.
Speaker 5: I don't know what he's referring to but that full body bird, you know it's practical at 92.
Speaker 5: You gotta love it, man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're too.
Speaker 5: Your two male leads, you know Bill Paxton and William Southerner.
Speaker 5: No surprise that they're great in this movie.
Speaker 5: I heard protagonists are great in this movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, paxton's kind of.
Speaker 2: He's kind of just, you know, working up the kind of earnest, kind of honest bumpkin who gets in over his head and makes wrong decisions, character that you'd see and sort of perfected in like a simple plan, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: This is the time for these guys you make in movies, though, because I used to use Cuba in this movie together and, you know, just cut off a new Jack City and boys of the hood, mm-hmm, stuff like that.
Speaker 5: They're hot right now.
Speaker 5: As far as the music career goes, too, i think you get at least one one, one, one ice cube song in this movie, i think.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you do.
Speaker 2: Walter Hill is kind of like.
Speaker 2: He's kind of, you know, going a little trendy here with the movie.
Speaker 2: Like he's.
Speaker 2: He's kind of catching the, the zeitgeist or whatever word you want to use for it.
Speaker 2: You know, like he's.
Speaker 2: We've got the, the gritty black gang, a movie element.
Speaker 2: We've got Roy Cooder doing a more grungy kind of score like it still got his kind of bluesy twang to it, but there's more of a kind of a you know, more Drop detuning chords or whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's necessarily really using drop detuning or whatever, but it sounds like the music that's starting to come out of Seattle and stuff around this time.
Speaker 2: And You know he's got uh, apparently he's got motorola being one of the i don't know if they, how much money they put in this movie, but their stuff is all over this fucking thing, including the video camera.
Speaker 2: Um, that is a bright, a prominent little gimmick in this for for quite some time as well.
Speaker 2: So is he's kind of like experimenting with a kind of all kinds of hot little things that are going on, like in the early nineties?
Speaker 5: I was looking to have a pager at twelve, thirteen years old, so cell phones were expensive.
Speaker 5: I guess drug, drug king pins can can afford them at this point.
Speaker 2: Right, that's bling back then.
Speaker 2: Right like.
Speaker 2: That's like if you're, if you're a black person from an underprivileged background or whatever, and you're carrying around a motorola, at that point, that's, it feels like Maybe i'm totally wrong, but it feels like that would be kind of a status symbol kind of thing at that point.
Speaker 2: Well, everybody didn't have back then.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everybody had one in their back pocket.
Speaker 5: The motorola or the indestructible Nokia phone.
Speaker 5: Everybody had one, the little Nokia phone That you could play snake on shit and nothing else and they'll make call.
Speaker 5: But you could throw that bitch across the room and won't break.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, yeah, art evidence on.
Speaker 5: A lot of folks may know him, as the detective from fright night shows up in.
Speaker 5: This is Bradley, our homeless person who's living inside and living inside the building they're trying to steal the gold from.
Speaker 4: He's my favorite character in this yes, he's great and then spoilers.
Speaker 5: Bradley gets away with the gold in the end is kind of wonderful.
Speaker 4: It deserves.
Speaker 4: It even says it one point.
Speaker 4: I've been like sleeping with that over my head all these years like what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little bit of a Sierra Madre riff in this, where the, where the gold is making everyone irrational and everyone greedy, like even you know, some of these people didn't even know about the gold, but once they learn about, it's like we need to get that fucking gold.
Speaker 2: And the gold puts Paxton and Sadler at each other's throats and, and poor Bruce, a young, there's Raymond, he's, he's in, he's just kind of stuck in the middle with them for quite some time.
Speaker 2: let's just hoping these two stupid white boys don't get him killed.
Speaker 2: It's pretty entertaining like he's tied to a chair for what a good first half of the movie, something like that.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, lucky.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Characters like and what he's not like, tied to the chair they time to the door is, like you know, almost like a bulletproof vest and like, okay, shoot through.
Speaker 4: Your brother is like okay, like what was sad or sadler goes dark in this movie.
Speaker 4: He goes yeah, this fucking blood money happy.
Speaker 2: I think I think I mentioned this before with the.
Speaker 2: It was with Lance Hendrickson in Johnny handsome.
Speaker 2: But I and how I saw that like William Defoe could easily like come back And then played that part and I kind of see he could have played the William Sadler part here too.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been an interesting twist.
Speaker 2: Not not saying I don't like William Sadler, this part because he's perfect, but I just every once in a while I'm just kind of like fan casting, like previous guys that have appeared in Walter, you know, and like we don't get any Brian James anymore like he's.
Speaker 2: He's I think we mentioned in the forty another forty eight hours.
Speaker 2: That was his last movie with Walter Hill.
Speaker 2: So It's kind of interesting to see like all these sort of new players coming in and there's still a couple old Favorites still rotating in and out and stuff.
Speaker 5: But yeah, Definitely no torches sliding.
Speaker 5: And then this movie, by the way.
Speaker 2: I, i've given, i was.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you mentioned that.
Speaker 2: My note is basically I've given up and ever seeing another torches in any Williams Walter Hill movies.
Speaker 5: It could have been that honky tonk where they're like formulate the plan.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: But In my mind.
Speaker 4: In my mind, it's torches.
Speaker 4: They just didn't show the sign.
Speaker 2: I think I saw a sign, though, for something, so I'm I'm bummed either way.
Speaker 2: I'm just like I've given up.
Speaker 2: It's alright.
Speaker 2: Walter Hill's not gonna Second to fulfill my, my need for the Walter Hill universe, so I'm just gonna, i'm gonna leave it.
Speaker 5: I have to disagree on the one.
Speaker 5: The phone cut though I I I think you need William Sather still Got that country twang to his voice.
Speaker 5: Help Bill Pax and Bill Pax into you to play that special blend of early nineties.
Speaker 5: You know I'm racist, but I'm not a racist thing.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 5: Even Bill Pax yeah, goes in on Bradley a little bit.
Speaker 5: You know I was telling him to shut his black ass up, or something he says even something like that he dives into just a little bit, but you know.
Speaker 3: Bill Pax yeah, i'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm just I'm saying I'm not saying I want to see Sather replace them.
Speaker 2: To say like in the back of my mind is like it'd be interesting If you know if they had had a different person in there, like the world the fogeus in there for fun.
Speaker 2: But I'm totally happy with the way the cast turned out, william DeFoe is Bradley.
Speaker 4: now, that'd be something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i would never want to replace our ovens because he's the MVP year, but that would that be different.
Speaker 5: I love this movie because you could easily interchange these, these African American characters, with white characters.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, put it, put it like like You just did, mean guns for your Alapune appreciation month, yeah, this could easily be mean guns if they had more more.
Speaker 5: These were all white folks and you put William DeFoe and they're asking James or whatever you're going to call him.
Speaker 5: You know, if you see why they're interchangeable is all I'm saying that that's just a good writing right there to make this a hood movie, but at the same time it could be, it could be anybody, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i mean they could easily went out to the middle, like you know, indianapolis or something like that, or went anywhere with it and you know had to.
Speaker 4: you know, the gang members could have been anybody And it could have been pretty interchangeable, because I think this was written in the 70s, wasn't it, if I remember right in the way, something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: It was a script that was bouncing around that light, light.
Speaker 2: I think Zemeckis and Gale had worked on.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I'm not mistaken, because I was it was it.
Speaker 2: The was the trivia that it was.
Speaker 2: The Demon Knight was the script that was bouncing around from the 70s.
Speaker 2: But with those guys, but Yeah, i can't remember if you're.
Speaker 5: Both, both solid films, guys.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he made some of my favorite things.
Speaker 5: he shot some of my favorite things too, i think you know.
Speaker 5: But yeah, he kills a wood, demon night for sure.
Speaker 2: And I'm not.
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if, like, there was an interview somewhere with Pune saying that you know he was a big fan of this movie and, like this was an influence on mean guns to some extent, because It's got it's got a little bit of a Proto mean guns Kind of thread going through it.
Speaker 2: you know, it's got sort of that same situational thing with a bunch of guys all Kind of like cooped up in a confined area trying to get each other and stuff.
Speaker 2: it's kind of got that same idea going and you know where it's got.
Speaker 2: you know I'm going to get some ice tea carrying over here and Yeah, and it's kind of action heavy and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: like it feels like Something peon might have made it on a lower budget.
Speaker 5: The hell.
Speaker 5: As much.
Speaker 5: As much as I love it, ben Wheatley's free fire is a ripoff of mean guns.
Speaker 2: I've you get to see that I need to.
Speaker 2: I need to check that out.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 5: It's got.
Speaker 5: It's got a big cast and I love it.
Speaker 5: Actually, it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Mmm.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this is the fun way.
Speaker 5: I mean it's a hood film, you know, without without being, you know, to delve into there.
Speaker 5: I'll get in to what we're gonna talk about next, you know, and it just makes that switch or a certain character.
Speaker 5: We're doing a judgment night for the patreon and, uh, you make that switch that I love so much like yeah, fucking crazy, you know, and um so good, yeah, but this one's really good.
Speaker 5: It works with the environment real well, it works up within the setting really well.
Speaker 5: The characters.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: There's some good.
Speaker 2: There's some good tension with the, where you know they're trying to get across from the window to that other, like part of the building.
Speaker 2: So they were like trying to make like a Basically you kind of they're kind of doing the same thing like ladder across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they're basically doing the same thing that ends up happening in our, in our, patreon movie.
Speaker 2: That we're doing as well.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, and I love that they have, you know, like They have, they have the sniper and they got like time Tiny Lister like up on the building, like you know, keeping an eye on them and shit, making sure they don't try to escape out of their Window, and everything is fucking really well done.
Speaker 4: I love about it Is you don't know which side is gonna crack first.
Speaker 4: Because, yeah, you know there's a lot more of our, you know our gang friends Versus the firefighters was it's just the two of them versus a whole lot of them.
Speaker 4: But you know there's inner fighting between everybody.
Speaker 4: You know William Sadler is keen on getting the money, you know, and he doesn't care about these motherfuckers.
Speaker 4: He doesn't care about Bradley, he doesn't really doesn't care about his friend because he's.
Speaker 4: So it was right At one point where he just starts way laying on Bill Paxson.
Speaker 4: But it's like everybody is working against one another Even before, you know, like ice cube and rain and rain, the Raymond character find out that there's gold.
Speaker 4: They're, they're all kind of working against King James.
Speaker 4: You know they're like.
Speaker 4: You know I'm gonna do whatever the fuck I want to do.
Speaker 4: So you don't know which side is gonna make.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, it's gonna break first.
Speaker 4: I love the tension.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get right from the get-go the sense that ice cube has been wanting to step up and Take over the gang because he doesn't like the direction It's going.
Speaker 2: And when iced tea starts getting Too wrapped up in this and when his brother gets Kidnapped and you know it's held hostage on the other side of the door, then he gets really irrational and and been out of shape and And ice cube can kind of see that like this is gonna get us all killed if we don't fucking do something real quick And get rid of these white boys.
Speaker 2: We we gotta stop stalling and we got to get them killed and get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 2: But you know ice tea ain't thinking straight at that point.
Speaker 2: So I like he's doing all kinds of different stuff and Yeah it's, it's very good, like just back and forth at each other's throats kind of thing, and it slowly builds and Other people in the gang start siding with ice cube.
Speaker 2: But then there's still double crosses between them as well and It's all kind of fun stuff going on in this movie.
Speaker 5: It's like it's a great balance of power.
Speaker 5: You know he makes that switch to where Bill packs and witnesses the murder of the guy Gloriously fall into the glass when we moved.
Speaker 5: We talked about earlier.
Speaker 5: Yeah it goes from them trying to, you know, shut these white boys up, could go find them and either kill them or you know Whatever more than likely kill them to.
Speaker 5: When they they kidnap, lucky who has a drug addiction, it comes into play, mm-hmm, gloriously.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, that's a real tense moment, you know, you know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: That that could have been handled.
Speaker 2: That could have been handled.
Speaker 2: So wrong to like where it could have felt, really just stupid, but the way it's played it works really well.
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is either gonna go really bad or it's gonna go really good.
Speaker 2: And it went really good.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, i think they handled it really well.
Speaker 4: It was very fucking believable.
Speaker 5: I don't think at that point though lucky would have been that his motor skills would have been all that great, because I think in New Jack City Chris Rock is pookie.
Speaker 5: It's probably the most honest portrayals of somebody who's deep, who's coming down from the crack binge and not doing it anymore.
Speaker 5: Of course it gets me doing it again.
Speaker 5: But I think that a lucky would have been a little more shaky that he would.
Speaker 5: He would have thinking correctly, for one thing.
Speaker 5: But he jabs that fucking cracked needle and then his fucking neck and This crack.
Speaker 5: I thought it was heroin that he was doing whatever you would think it's crack at this time, but yeah, i could be wrong, probably heroin be.
Speaker 5: He jams his neck and This.
Speaker 5: Of course he's still functional as a human being at this point, but he's, he's, he's it, he's it now.
Speaker 4: I Think.
Speaker 4: I think that's the only part that's slightly unbelievable, because I think he'd be one hell of a mess.
Speaker 4: Lucky wouldn't be able to like stand up.
Speaker 2: I don't think yeah, but I just Movie logic though.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: I feel it works within the logic of this movie.
Speaker 2: It's.
Speaker 2: It's just like it's.
Speaker 2: It's a thing where it's like you go with it because it's fun, you know, and it's go and it's going somewhere, it's ramping up the action, it's it's changing the stakes of the standoff, so It just it just works in that context and you can kind of you can just kind of dismiss it as like, yeah, it's movie stuff and it's good movie stuff.
Speaker 5: I think the most dishonest portrayal of a drug come down is with homegirl and And Jason takes Manhattan, gets the drugs in her.
Speaker 5: She's dizzy.
Speaker 5: Once you next to she's just fine, you know.
Speaker 4: It's like no, yeah she be.
Speaker 4: She's been drooling for the rest of that movie.
Speaker 2: Although that that's the least of that movie's problems.
Speaker 5: But It's got a bang, an opening song.
Speaker 5: Don't do it.
Speaker 5: So there's that, you know it does.
Speaker 2: It does I Just.
Speaker 2: I just wish the heavy metal girl stayed around longer, but well you mean both, sir?
Speaker 5: She should die.
Speaker 5: So so Garth Garth could live, i guess.
Speaker 5: Well, fake Garth, the guy with the video camera, you know He dies to officially.
Speaker 5: I have watched it so long.
Speaker 4: It's literally Jason takes Vancouver.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: It's one of the worst ones, or the best ones to talk about, because it's so awful Yeah yeah, it's so fucking bad, but it's like it's one of those.
Speaker 4: It's so bad, it's good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, or at least it's so bad, it's interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, what's, what's the little fact, or it's here we can say about this movie.
Speaker 5: Walter Hill said of the film I wanted to make it down a dirty thriller, i want to shoot it in a fast, hard style.
Speaker 5: I wanted to work off the cuff making it all happen right there.
Speaker 5: So normal Walter Hill's type of filmmaking.
Speaker 5: Right there, i just uh moving and grooving, which is fine, but it's also there's detriment sometimes.
Speaker 5: Let's see, let's see, let's see.
Speaker 5: was that released on a projected date of July 3rd because of the LA riots?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah film was retiled and they have a new marketing campaign to buys, so the original title is called the looters.
Speaker 2: By the way, Yeah, that would probably not play too well.
Speaker 2: Well, it might play really well, and predominantly white theaters and southern states, but I don't know about anywhere else.
Speaker 5: It was a good decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just despite the fact it didn't make its budget back.
Speaker 2: But you know yeah.
Speaker 2: You know I will, he'll keep kill came off like a couple really big successes at this point.
Speaker 2: So it's like you know, you made a little, he made a bit of a smaller movie and it didn't.
Speaker 2: It didn't didn't earn back the money, but you know, i think it's good.
Speaker 5: You guys are correct, loosely based on treasuries here, modrae.
Speaker 2: Ah, there you go, okay elements in there.
Speaker 5: According to Walter Hill, ice tea and ice cube were hired under strength as actors and were allowed to input into the dialogue.
Speaker 5: They certainly had a lot of input in terms of what my guy would say is this he wouldn't say it that way, he said this way and I gave them free, free reign on all that.
Speaker 5: So those guys Yeah, those guys run the streets.
Speaker 5: Ice tea, so the crack to make records.
Speaker 5: So he knows, he knows the game.
Speaker 5: Kids.
Speaker 5: What else we got here?
Speaker 5: Yeah, ridden to the 70s, what I made until producer Neil Canton should Walter Hill the script, and he loved it.
Speaker 5: So Walter Hill made this happen.
Speaker 4: Apparently All right, there you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no women in the film, but I read somewhere on this this thing here that lucky was originally supposed to be girl and King James's girlfriend is, rather than his brother, of the film.
Speaker 2: Uh-huh, Okay, that's uh I could have been interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would have worked.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like it's kind of like the thing there there's no women in this movie whatsoever except, yeah, i don't know if there's any extra.
Speaker 4: It says in the IMDb that there was extras in the background, probably during the, you know, the bar scene, but now that's it yeah, i forgot about this too.
Speaker 5: Uh, reunion from diehard too.
Speaker 5: William Southburn or never is running together oh, that's right, yeah, okay you can't forget naked Tashi William Souther in that movie.
Speaker 5: But I bet he wishes he could forget that yeah that and John Amos kind of make R and M is kind of forgettable.
Speaker 5: I hate to put it that way but I think diehard 2 is probably my least watched of all the movies.
Speaker 5: Well, except for the live free and diehard, what were the ones that are in Russia?
Speaker 5: I watched at once and oh right, live free.
Speaker 4: And diehard was the one with Timothy Oliphant, i can't remember, yeah, so that's a good day to diehard.
Speaker 4: That was the rough.
Speaker 2: Russia, then Kevin Smith at one point and uh, yeah, you know part two.
Speaker 2: Actually I like part two a lot like a lot of people don't like it just because it's basically exactly the same movie except for an airport and it's way darker like it's.
Speaker 2: It's kinda it's not fun like even though you know diehard the original one does go kind of hard as an action movie it's still really fun.
Speaker 2: Part two just isn't as fun.
Speaker 2: Part two is a little bit more like oh man, that's a bummer.
Speaker 4: But still really good, yeah, james, from good times on fighting John McClain on the wing of a plane.
Speaker 4: This, this hits a little different, mm-hmm yeah, it's got.
Speaker 2: Franco Nero is like a yes, as a as a exile general from some like self-American country or something is near a bit.
Speaker 2: There's a Russian company, country or state or something, i can't remember.
Speaker 2: I thought it was Russian some sort of might.
Speaker 2: Might have been either way.
Speaker 2: It's for a conero just pops up out of nowhere and like that's awesome, but go shit, motherfucking Django uh it's, uh, it's good as um all.
Speaker 5: who is it?
Speaker 5: Henry Silva, showing up in Dick Tracy for like five seconds.
Speaker 2: you know all man that I saw that theater in that, that bum me out because I was like all I I kinda knew who dick Tracy was and I knew he had all these interesting bad guys and stuff and the and immediately we see them and it's like all this is gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2: We got all these freak show bad guys that he's gonna tackle.
Speaker 2: Like now they're all killed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so all man that's one of my favorite things about that movie is the people who show up on it.
Speaker 2: It actually overturns the movie a little bit too yeah, but I, i do gotta say, uh, what's his face?
Speaker 2: you, you, you, that you don't need to play dick Tracy again, you're too old uh.
Speaker 4: I know he's holding on to the.
Speaker 4: He's gonna play dick Tracy again.
Speaker 4: That ain't ever gonna happen.
Speaker 5: I hope, i hope that it's so weird because there's something with the rights and I watched.
Speaker 5: I watched like five minutes of the special that he made recently.
Speaker 5: He's being interviewed as dick Tracy's easy.
Speaker 5: He's going full met on this thing and the reason why he made this is so he can keep the rights to the character just yeah, you wanna play it again what is one baby like ninety?
Speaker 5: he's eighty, something he's gotta be the part, though I'll take it, you know it um, no, no, i'm not gonna accept that.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Like I, i love the fact that he kept on to the rights and he wants to make another dick Tracy something.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 5: As long as you step off the screen and give it to somebody else now, that'll be fine so those sound time jams, i, i, i, i, i still listen to them this day, you know, yeah, good old, breathless Mahoney back in business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, grand, it's so good cause I don't, i don't want to see them, i don't want to see them.
Speaker 2: Irishman the dick, tracy and you know like, make, make, make him look young again, but we're still moving like an eighty-year-old, like fucking deniro was in the.
Speaker 4: Irish oh yeah, we're running around like fucking lurch, oh our friend Michael J Pollack shows up in that movie.
Speaker 5: So go watch Dick Tracy, enjoy yourselves.
Speaker 5: I'll say about that you know.
Speaker 5: Back to trespass.
Speaker 5: We're going back to the UC at Lewis dot guys how do we get off track of that?
Speaker 5: I have no idea.
Speaker 4: He's had some to do with that had some to do with diehard we want to trespass, the diehard dick Tracy there you go.
Speaker 5: Those are the tangest folks.
Speaker 2: Enjoy or don't enjoy them yeah, these are the ones you get for free wait till the page right, you get more tangents and the tanges upon tangents.
Speaker 5: But um, you can watch is for free on to be.
Speaker 5: By the way, you can get the discrete this, this screen, factory shop, factory shop, select, or holidays, uh, blu-ray, uh, that's out there too.
Speaker 5: Dvd, digital, all that good shit, it's, it's a winner.
Speaker 5: I enjoy it.
Speaker 5: I enjoy the hell out of it.
Speaker 5: Uh, it fits right in that that frame of nineteen, ninety two.
Speaker 5: We're making films like this and you know it does it without patronizing the characters and i can set this could easily.
Speaker 5: But turned into white characters the back are, are, are are bad guys in this movie and right, truly excellent and dress the lines a lot of.
Speaker 5: I love king james's look dross entire movie.
Speaker 2: It just looks great yeah, there's something, something about ice tea, where you know he's going hardcore and straightening his hair and everything and he's wearing like a nice suit and a hat.
Speaker 2: He just really stands out.
Speaker 2: This like you don't seem like a hard-ass gangster and it feels like that's kind of part of the dynamic where, like you know, the more stereotypical gangster, like ice cube, is kind of like hit, this guy's a phony.
Speaker 5: Like this guy doesn't hold up, he's running keeping it he was talking to the, to the, to the camera, to the monologue.
Speaker 5: There were said he used to be just like tae-von you know and then he got wise.
Speaker 4: He's a businessman now that was the one thing i wanted the touch base on was the like the testimonials of video, the stuff's being shot on phs.
Speaker 4: I i know that was an aesthetic that like hill wanted to capitalize on and i knew it went with that character.
Speaker 4: You know who's taping everything.
Speaker 4: I mean that's how they.
Speaker 4: They ended up where they were because they caught a guy on tape.
Speaker 4: You know making the shady deals, ripping them off.
Speaker 4: I just it.
Speaker 4: It got a little played out.
Speaker 2: Is is a minor, some minor quibble like but, well, i was just like it got a little repetitious after a while also and you think when you think about it that's a big liability to that gang because of those tapes ever get found somehow, like if he gets caught in like a traffic stop or something and he's got those tapes on them.
Speaker 2: That's all the evidence the cops need to find these guys and put them behind bars.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got everybody on tape, killing it, stealing, doing whatever.
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not smart moves yeah, clearly i see it already isn't thinking all that straight if he's letting that shit go down in this gang like the first first thing i do.
Speaker 2: If i was, i see i'd be like we're getting rid of your either dump in that fucking camera or we're dumping you off a fucking roof because we can.
Speaker 2: We can have that shit yet videos.
Speaker 2: Gotta go that, that, that business goddamn video file thoughts lee this is highly enjoyable, like it said.
Speaker 2: Like it's it's got several kind of genres mixed together and they're all things that walter hills really good at.
Speaker 2: So like he handles everything well, uh, there's good dynamics between the characters in the different groups here, which always sort of keeps it moving and keeps it really interesting.
Speaker 2: Like i didn't, i didn't find like any of the slow down for me at all.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's, it's, it's it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Uh, like it said it's it's got that seara mod ray thing which i really popped for i i always kind of like that kind of idea of you know this mcguffin that's uh making everyone go crazy over trying to get it and uh making them change how they do things and the real them comes out in in some respects, uh, but it's all you know.
Speaker 2: It's also not super deep or anything.
Speaker 2: It's like it all comes out in this fun kind of surface level action movie.
Speaker 2: Uh, walter hill is totally apt in lake handling.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, this is kind of middle of the pack Walter Hill for me, which makes it a really good movie.
Speaker 2: It's not extreme prejudice which is kind of like the new standard at this sort of like second half of his career.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like Basing everything off of now, but it's still really good, so definitely recommended.
Speaker 5: Cool Cameron.
Speaker 4: I'm good it's gonna be reiterating a lot of what Lisa does was a great rewatch It's.
Speaker 4: You know it's not top of the pack hill It's.
Speaker 4: You know it's kind of middling, but still he'll do an.
Speaker 4: A middling kind of job is still, you know, 10 times better than what most people put out.
Speaker 4: I think the story and the dynamics between the characters is what I really love about this movie.
Speaker 4: You know just, everybody's out for themselves.
Speaker 4: You know Ice Cube is, you know, trying to get everybody, you know, against Ice T.
Speaker 4: King James's character, you know William Sadler is fighting with, you know, bill Paxson.
Speaker 4: There's all these dynamics of who's gonna fuck things up for who first, and I just love it makes things super tense, like almost felt tired.
Speaker 4: When I was done watching this movie, you know it was just like damn.
Speaker 4: It's like alright, i mean like you go take a shower when it's over, but it's just, it's really well done.
Speaker 4: Like other than you know the video footage, you know that I kind of touch base on it.
Speaker 4: I have no complaints about this movie.
Speaker 4: It's so well acted It's.
Speaker 4: You know it's not necessarily action packed, but it is very action oriented That makes any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 4: You know it's, it's, it's fast paced.
Speaker 4: It's got great characters, great action And the soundtrack.
Speaker 4: I got it.
Speaker 4: I got a touch base on When you got people like Ice T on the soundtrack, ice Cube, coolio, i think it was even some Sir Mixolot on there at one point.
Speaker 4: you know it's got a great hip hop soundtrack.
Speaker 4: I wore this out on CD back in the day And I think we'll touch base a little bit on that with our Patreon episode.
Speaker 4: But yeah, they both have that in common It's great all around.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 5: Perfect for 92.
Speaker 5: Like I said, it's right there in that vein of 92.
Speaker 5: And it still lives, it still breathes pretty well today.
Speaker 5: So that's hard to do with some of these, these, these hit movies of this time, because there's some ones that you know stick out and there's ones that just kind of dwindle away.
Speaker 5: Yeah but the good ones stick around.
Speaker 5: I can name a few up top my head.
Speaker 5: I think New Jersey Drive is underrated as a film.
Speaker 5: Go, go check that out, especially nowadays.
Speaker 5: We got 14 year old kids stealing cars in the city.
Speaker 5: That life boys.
Speaker 5: that of course we'll discuss.
Speaker 5: next episode on the Patreon Because I have a lot to talk about with Furious's son in that movie Just losing his fucking shit.
Speaker 5: Medicine Society, of course you know, if you want to go spiritually, you can go.
Speaker 5: You go to Ghost Dog all day long.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: The political reverence and of the time of, and even today of Tales from the Hood.
Speaker 5: It's silly.
Speaker 5: There's a lot going on in that movie that you should check out if you want to dig deep into it.
Speaker 5: This is great, though This is just a fun action set piece.
Speaker 5: Great, great siege movie We're in.
Speaker 5: The next one we're talking about in Patreon, judgment night.
Speaker 5: That's more like a city under siege.
Speaker 5: The whole city is like the siege, much like police.
Speaker 2: Yeah six.
Speaker 5: It's, it's, it's, it's city under siege.
Speaker 4: Hey yo, hey yo.
Speaker 5: Hey, tako got the drive big, big foot in that movie.
Speaker 5: So I'm all four.
Speaker 5: It's uh, oh, it's gonna be six, so it's wild.
Speaker 5: This is.
Speaker 5: This is great, though.
Speaker 5: Next one you should hear on the main feed We could have a West Duty all, and that's not bad at all, it's just good shit.
Speaker 5: So, uh, an American legend from 1993, a year later, so he's, he's keeping, keeping going on that train.
Speaker 5: It's what West Duty is.
Speaker 5: As I mentioned, um Gene Hackman, jason Patrick, robert Duvall uh, a baby.
Speaker 5: Matt Dillon, matt Damon in this movie, kevin Tygey shows up, stephen McHaddy shows up Wow.
Speaker 2: Jesus.
Speaker 5: I've never seen this before, so I'm excited to see this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, either, that's a fucking cast, holy shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, i saw once when we were in high school and we went to it's, our history class went to go see it and that's the only time I watched it, so I remember very, very little.
Speaker 5: Uh, written by John Millius y'all, so you know it's gonna get it Oh.
Speaker 5: We can go either way on this, so you know it's either gonna be really good or really Republican.
Speaker 2: one or the other, we'll see.
Speaker 4: Let's hope for one and one and not the other, right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: But that's come up next.
Speaker 5: The show you should hear after this should be on the Patreon feed.
Speaker 5: We're gonna cover Judgement Night as mentioned, featuring the great Dennis Leary in the middle of Estabas in the very comb over Jeremy Piven.
Speaker 4: Jesus, was that guy born at 35?
Speaker 5: Can we talk about comb overs?
Speaker 5: y'all Come on now.
Speaker 4: I shaved my head.
Speaker 5: I got over it.
Speaker 5: Okay, put it that way, yep.
Speaker 4: I'm just embracing the receding hairline, i just comb my shit straight back Like look at my receding hairline.
Speaker 4: Fuckers, i have to look at it, you have to look at it.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing is actually worse than like the absolute worst fucking comb over that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I rewatched last night when I was screening some movies for my friends.
Speaker 2: We did a double bill.
Speaker 2: We did Zombie 2 and we did Forbidden Planet.
Speaker 2: Zombie 2 has Ian McCullough, who popped up in a couple of those Italian zombie movies around that period.
Speaker 2: He is holding on with like a wish and a prayer, basically with his fucking hair.
Speaker 2: It is terrible.
Speaker 4: One little stiff breeze and it's all gone.
Speaker 2: It is bad, like it looks bad, and when it gets wet it looks even worse.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like dude, i guess maybe you know you probably wouldn't get parts if you shaved your head.
Speaker 2: But man, they had to do something.
Speaker 2: They had to put a rug on them or something because it was terrible.
Speaker 5: I got that beat because I rewatched for some reason.
Speaker 5: I remember Nerds 2 and Nerds in Paradise.
Speaker 5: Ed Louder has a sleazy comb over in that film to beat the band.
Speaker 4: I love when he goes in and he goes to draw in hairs, like it takes a little magic marker, like eee, eee, eee.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 5: By the way, james Hong and Curtis Armstrong are doing a convention together, so I guess it is all in the cards.
Speaker 5: The fart guru and his subject are getting back together again, and I would go to that show in a heartbeat.
Speaker 4: I would too.
Speaker 5: Because they are both great.
Speaker 5: I have met both of them over the years.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, that is pretty much the only thing I enjoy from Red Vengeance of the Nerds 2, so yeah, that would be pretty good.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: And the lack of rape, by the way, in Red Vengeance of the Nerds 2, that is refreshing.
Speaker 5: Who is just really horny in that movie.
Speaker 5: That is fine.
Speaker 5: This has been Last Call of Torchies.
Speaker 5: This has been your review of Trespass and we will see you all again next time with Geronimo, not starting Chuck Connors.
Speaker 5: So we are not doing that, guys, but Geronimo, starting West Studio.
Speaker 2: Bye.