The Good Wife: Season 4, Episode 11 - Boom De Ya Da

In this episode of The Good Pod, Jason and Marissa dig into “Boom‑de‑yada,” where the firm takes on a risky case involving a teenager who caught West Nile virus from a stagnant, foreclosed‑home swimming pool — a classic “attractive nuisance” lawsuit. Former adversaries resurface as Louis Canning shows up to represent the bank’s interests, turning the deposition into a headache. Meanwhile, back at the firm, tensions rise as the looming bankruptcy and an impending merger put everyone on edge. By the end, Alicia uses leverage to secure a major settlement, the debt crisis is momentarily eased — but the stakes just got higher as old rivalries and power plays tighten around Lockhart Gardner.

Tensions rise further in politics‑land as Eli Gold faces a restart of his campaign troubles — the return of Wendy Scott‑Carr threatens his firm and forces the team to scramble. And in the firm’s bankruptcy plot, a mediation shakes up allegiances, putting longtime alliances under strain.

Timestamps (approximate)
00:00 – Intro and podcast banter — Jason & Marissa kick things off
00:04 – Overview of the “West Nile / pool” case and foreclosed‑home context
00:11 – Alicia travels to Minnesota for the deposition; unexpected return of Louis Canning
00:15 – Deposition drama: Ingersoll skips out, Canning games the timing
00:22 – Discovery that the koi‑pond mosquitoes couldn’t have carried West Nile — major twist
00:29 – Alicia and the firm press the bank for accountability; “attractive nuisance” argument gains traction
00:33 – The firm strategizes around debt, merger risk, and the $12M settlement offer
00:40 – Subplot: Eli Gold’s campaign woes deepen — Wendy Scott‑Carr resurfaces
00:47 – Bankruptcy mediation begins; Clark pushes for control, sparking internal conflict
00:54 – Carrie’s testimony reveals power dynamics and leverage; Clark reeling
01:00 – Mediation ends: firm stays intact for now, but with tight deadlines and no debt relief yet
01:03 – Episode wrap: Alicia leaves Minnesota, firm’s fate still uncertain, and Canning’s influence grows

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking The Good Wife, season four, episode 11, boom de yada. I am one of your hosts, Jason Reed, AKA attractive nuisance with me. Thank you for doing that on yourself. Yeah. With me today, as always, the one and only Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good? I am so good. I am so good.

Jason, you good? I'm good. I'm good. Good. Uh, listen, I, I have been called attractive nuisance more than once in my life. Uh, so I, I very much, uh, took hearts too when they were calling me. The pools in this episode an attractive, um, yes. Here we are, uh, about midway through season four. Yeah, we're cooking on the, on the Good Pod.

It just feels like no time at all, that we are already like halfway through, more than halfway through. At this point, the series of the Good Wife. We are moving. And groin. [00:01:00] And groin. We had a very interesting episode here. We had a return that I did not think we would get. Uh oh. She's back. She's back y Yeah.

We had two returns in this episode, actually. Well, yeah. Yeah, technically. Yeah. Uh, so before we get into the, all the good stuff about this episode, all the things that are happening, we want to remind you of some free and easy ways you can help this podcast. You can do that by rating, reviewing, and subscribing wherever it is you are watching and are listening.

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Now, that's all the way, let's get into the episode, Mar. All right, Jason. Uh, before we really dig into it, I just want to put some context around what most of this case was about. Uh, this is, this is known as West Nile Virus. Um, around this time, Jason, we were talking pre pod this, like, this was a nationwide thing, like people knew about West Nile virus.

West Nile virus is transmitted by mosquitoes. It can cause like nervous system damage, a bunch of stuff. It's not just like the flu. It's like a thing that can happen, not good. Um, in the Chicagoland area, we have not outgrown our West Nile, [00:04:00] uh, awareness. This is definitely something that is still going on, but at the time it was definitely, uh, it was pre COVID, right?

So we had no like, like, um, experience with a breading pandemic of disease of any sorts, or, you know, we did have some like Ebola and mad cow stuff in the back in the day. But, well, I mean, we, we've had pandemics throughout. The history of the course. The history of the world. Yes, yes, of course. But like that we were alive for in our lifetimes.

Yes. Yes. Um, so, um, west Nile, like being outside with mosquitoes, very kind of a conscious thing though. Like it's very exhausting to be a mid-westerner, let me tell you. Mm. I have to worry about the sun. You have to worry about the mosquitoes. You have to worry about the snow, but we love it. So, you know, and the crime, Marissa, don't forget about the crime that's in your, your area.

How could I forget? I mean, there's so much, there's [00:05:00] so much of it. Don't forget about the murder

anyway. Okay. In this episode, we have a teenager who got Wes Nile, um, from an abandoned pool of a foreclosed home. This is also setting the time of the housing bubble burst. Foreclosures. Foreclosures also a big thing that was going on at this time. Um, but basically the bank. Took over the house for, um, foreclosed on the house and let water go stagnant in the pool.

And so the teenager was by the pool, got bit by mosquito, got West Nile. This what our team, um, lock our Gardner being helmed in this case by Will and Carrie, Carrie doing a lot of the work here. It was really, you know, great to see. It's kind of just saying like, well you owned the house bank so it is your responsibility that this kid got West Nile virus because you could not escape any PSA about standing water in the state of Illinois at this [00:06:00] time.

Like it was you, you could put this in like if you have standing water, put this in the standing water to kill all the mosquitoes. Do all this like people knew to how to handle this. I dunno what it was, but I just, I think at the time of West Nile, I just wasn't aware in my life, like to be, like, to really see it as the.

Threat. It was, well, like if you don't own a house or you weren't like, you know what I mean? Like it's not something that, it's something I was aware of 'cause my parents were dealing, but it wasn't something that I personally was, yeah, I guess I dealing with at all times. I like, I knew what was not was I was hearing the name What's Not virus.

I never like took it seriously. I don't know. I'm not sure. I, I don't know what I was doing at the, at the time, so I was just like, where your bug repellant. Okay. Yeah, for sure. I wasn't like putting on extra bug repellent to be like, lemme make sure I don't get What's Not Virus. Um, it was just a thing that was, was being talked about and heard.

I think I just like a kind of a, a dumb like. [00:07:00] Yeah. Like it doesn't, it's like one of those things that's around, but not prevalent enough that like, it's not like, I don't know, some, I, I mean people, some people that I know could have had Whiteness West Nile virus or have suffered from, but it's not something that I know personally.

Right. So it's kind of like, like that thing with COVID where COVID doesn't affect you until it's like right in front of you. And even now people don't think it's around, but it's still around, like it's still there. Very active doing its thing. So yes. And these banks are being blamed because they, you know, these closes were foreclosed on and the banks did not take the proper steps and measures to like clean out the pools, make sure the pools right.

There was a lot of, did have these standing water. Yeah. Yeah. They just clam claimed to the money and the CDC. Okay. Also, boys, girls. Back in the time before 2025, there was an organization in the government. Called the Center for Disease Control, and what they did was control [00:08:00] diseases much like this, so ha.

Because this had to do with West Nile virus. They would actually send people out to examine the situation and see if the mosquitoes from this very pool were responsible for West Nile if this were to happen. In 2025 or beyond, unsure what would, what would, would be there. Um, but I, I kind of look at this as like an artifact of the times.

Yeah. You're just, you're just being, you're just being so ridiculous. You're being so woke you Oh, okay. You, you, you have to worry about like all this. Just make sure you're not taking Tylenol and you, you'll be fine's too late. Too late. You'll fine Marissa. Late, like late. Just you being silly late, you being silly.

Just make sure you don't have, take Tylenol. You'll be just fine. You'll be all. Um, I have, and I have had all my vaccines, so there's double, double. I know, I knows. Fish B. So vaccine smack scenes, you know, is, is kind of the, uh, the view of the current administration, [00:09:00] like the what, the who, what

put out like marketing to that effect vaccine smack. Who smacked me anyway. Yeah. So the CDC is like, Hey, it did come from here. It is the bank's fault. Uh, and the people around the neighbors wrote a letter to the bank o or to the bank president, basically saying like, Hey, you've let these houses basically declining conditions.

It's not very safe for our neighborhood and for our home. Um, and in this first deposition, the lawyers on the other side are like, yeah, okay, whatever. But we find out that they're going to depose the big president whose name is Wilkes Ingersol. Who we see a little bit later. He's playing by James Reb Horn and Jason.

This was a sad research project. Yeah. Because, uh, James Red Horn is, you know, another like, very like, uh, infamous character actor. We've seen him in a thousand things, which you can never really place [00:10:00] where he's from. Uh, I did remember him as the father of Carrie in Homeland. I was, that's where I was like, that's where I placed him.

But then looking him up, we did find out that actually like, I think shortly after this episode probably aired maybe like a year or so after ago. Yeah. Yeah. He, uh, passed away from melanoma, which, oh, a full year. Like this, this episode aired January 6th, 2013. Yeah. So a full, a full year after this episode aired, he passed away from melanoma, which is interesting given the, uh.

Given the fate of this character. Yes. As we talk about it, as we, as we get further down the line here. Um, but did you also notice that, uh, we had a, uh, on the other side of the deposition Yes. We had back Martha here from, uh, Martha and Caitlyn. Yes. Uh, many, many eons ago. And we did meet again, meet Martha a few episodes after the whole Martha Caitlin debacle back on.

She was on Louis Cannings side. So I guess we should [00:11:00] have realized I didn't, I didn't either. I actually should have realized who else we're gonna meet in this episode that Alicia is getting ready to meet as we are in our, in our story. No, but Martha was on it, like Martha mm-hmm. Was on her game. She really brought her a game she really like, was there I, but yes, I didn't put that together until after the reveal of who Alicia's sees, which we'll talk about, which you already know is loose canning.

So, um. But, and then I was like, oh yeah, she was there. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So they did a good job with that. I really wish I, I think it was a wasted opportunity for Alicia and Martha to meet back up and for Martha to be like, oh hey, so, um, where's Caitlyn? Yeah, yeah, for sure. She like, well, Caitlyn decided that she, I would rather have a family and start a family than be a lawyer.

And before Martha be like, oh, interesting. Uh, you, you know, chose her over me and look who's still the lawyer. Like, I, I think that was a kind of a wasted moment here. Yes. Agreed. Agreed. [00:12:00] So Alicia is out in Minnesota waiting for this deposition. 'cause he is going, she's going to depose Wilkes Ingersoll about this letter.

Basically like, get, if, if she can get this guy to lie that he either received the letter, not read something, get him to lie. This case is in the bag. Um. And I'm so glad that they said that she was in Minnesota because I was like, there are way too many hills for this to be Illinois. Don't even try it. Um, so she's up there, she's like, it's so, it's so quiet.

Um, but then she meets who she, who is representing Ingersoll and it is none other than Louis Canning. And he, he's like, Hey, hey buddy. Oel, how's that bankruptcy going? Yeah. Louis Canning in his like, Louis canning way is like, it's when the devil appears almost. It feels like, it's like I'm back here. I am Louis Canning and I love Alicia's like reaction.

She's like, oh, you seem to be everywhere. I turn freaking Lewis Canning. Here you are again. Yeah. What I like about this like rivalry of sorts is there is like a [00:13:00] genuine. Respect between the two of them, but there's also like an I can outsmart you. 'cause though their whole relationship started by canning, kind of conning, Alicia, so she's been on the back foot, like trying to get back at him this entire time.

So she has that. But at the same time, Louis Canning helped when Grace was missing. Like there, it's very confusing. It's a help. Helped to his own benefits, his own benefit. Agree. Found a way to, yeah, he's a little bit of a weasel. Make it advantageous for him while helping Alicia. And you know, this is one of the like longer standing like.

Rivalries we've had in the show. Yes. Whereas, as you mentioned, when Alicia first meets Louis, he like, he gets one on her every time. And now it's very much a, like, I see you Louis Canning. I see who you are. And even, even though there is that, Alicia will still get taken for a ride in this episode at one point.

Well, she does well. Yes. Well, okay. So she, she still, [00:14:00] she still falls for his stuff every now and then, but she knows to be on the lookout for Lewis Kand. I love the like. When Alicia gets around, these people, she's met many times, including like a, uh, Colin Sweeney. It's like, she has no time for these losers.

She's like, I know what you're about. Oh, yeah. You're not gonna get one on me. She, she doesn't do the, you know, sweet Alicia voice. She doesn't do like she is, she's no nonsense with these jokers that she knows, like, very business. She starts this whole thing off and saying, okay, we got three hours. And Lewis Kennedy is like, yeah, yeah, Mr.

Ingersoll is a really busy man, so he can only give you three hours. She's like, okay. But the judge also said that it has to be three hours, so it's gonna be three hours, and the judge is gonna be on call for any objections. Cool. Cool. Great. I I love that. I'm like, all right. So three hours, and he's like three, she's like three hours from when he sits in this chair and Louis gay's like, no, three hours from when he enters the door.

And he's like, what? Lewis is like, why are we arguing over, you know, these petty things? She's like, you're right. So therefore when he in the chair, well, you don't care. Right. Okay. So it's on each in the [00:15:00] chair. Cool. So I, I just, it was again, more of like the. Ree between Alicia and Louis. Yes. Ingersol finally shows up to this deposition.

Um, the homeowners are, he's like, before we get started, I just wanna like, make a statement. Um, oh no, homeowners aren't under water. And like, I totally get it, but the banks are not the bad guys. Okay. Like, we don't wanna use this also to advance any political standing or anything. And it was just kind of like, okay, but we're in it, so we can't really do that.

But also you're being sued for $15 million, which is now at 13 based on how, uh, discussions have been going. And we have a ballerina dancer who can't dance anymore. You know, like, so what are we gonna do about that? And I loved ingris hall's, like what you mentioned about him being like these poor homeowners.

Like, it, it, it was such picture perfect note of like billionaire, uh, you know, president of a bank trying to like relate with the, the smaller people, [00:16:00] uh, and the what their PR has like, written out for him to say, like it was picture perfect note of like, yes, this guy doesn't even know what this, what the cost of bread is.

Right. Like, he doesn't, right. He's trying to relate, but he like, it's obviously like a, a show and he wanted to get this on the record, right? Yeah. Like this is something that he wanted to get on the record. So. Alicia goes, and did you know about this letter? He is like, whoa. Not like at, well, at this time, like, did you know about this letter?

He is like, oh, what's that emergency text message? Gotta go. Bye. Very much a look over there. It's like, as I ditch you, like, before I answer this very important question that this whole thing hinges on. Oh yeah. Actually I got it. Yep. Nope, I do, I have time to say yes or no. It's, it's so urgent that I don't have time to answer this one question.

That would take one word for me. Sorry. Nope. Gotta go. He like, gets up and gees out of there. He does, but then, but before he leaves, he's like, don't worry. Like, I'll be back at two. You're gonna get your time. Like, I'm so dedicated to this. But it's al there's also an emergency [00:17:00] and like earlier in the, the conversation, just like, what does he have to get back to his working vacation of chopping wood And like, you know, like he's not really doing anything that important.

Apparently. Um, so lo lo and behold, Ingersoll did not show up at 2:00 PM later that day. Um, so Lou can's like, oh yeah, okay, well be there at 10 and he's not even gonna like, take the 10 minutes that we already talked into consideration. She really enjoyed his time. She's really gonna be here, all of this stuff.

And, uh, Alicia's like, okay, well let me just get on the record that he refused to show up again. And Kenny's like, oh, don't worry about it though. It'll give you time to read this CDC report that says that the mosquito, there were mosquitoes in a koi pond, so it didn't have to come from the swimming pool.

It could have came, come from them. She relays this back to the firm and, um, Diane and Will, who of course really wanna get the settlement because we still have that debt that we're, we're coming up on, like, you're gonna have to outweigh this guy. Like mm-hmm. [00:18:00] He's gonna try to put like a note in your door and say, Hey, sorry, we can't make it.

Like you gotta be wherever. And we was just like, I was only supposed to be here at night, but like, don't worry, we'll get clothes and incidentals. To you just at a four geography sake, it is more than an eight hour drive. Mm-hmm. From Chicago to, well, it depends on when in where, in Minneapolis or Minnesota.

But if someone was driving like maybe later in the episode, I don't know, but flying, it's a lot. It's only like an hour. Okay. So, um, yes, that's what we got going on.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I, uh, I think it is very, like, it, it is definitely a Lewis canning thing to be like, I'm gonna wait until she, like, leaves the room and then I'm gonna run over, be like, oh, you weren't here. So I guess, yeah. You know, we were ready and you weren't. So I guess that, that gets us out of our obligation.

Uh, and I, I do love when the, the running gag of this episode is [00:19:00] Louis Canning, taking these phone calls in the business center, be like, oh, he has to wait again. Like, it's, it's gonna be like a running thing throughout the, throughout the episode. Yes. Yes. And Alicia's like, okay, well if I'm gonna be here, I'm gonna go to the hotel.

This doesn't even like, look like a hotel. This is definitely a rich people hotel. Definitely like some sort of spots sort of thing. Um, but she goes to the, the hotel store and she meets someone. She's like, oh. What a nice other human being who is a woman who we have seen before. Yeah. Who is Louis Cannings wife.

But, um, she's like, while she's having conversation with Simone, she's like, uh, gotta go. Because the little Louis canning like going up to her door like, Hey Louis, I'm here. What? Yeah. What's up? Were you trying to do anything important to note that Alicia at this moment does not know Correct. That she's talking to Mrs.

Lewis Canning? We know because we remember when, uh, Kalinda met, uh, Simone back in like season one or two, uh, when she was like snooping around Lewis Cannings house. When we first [00:20:00] met Louis, we were trying to figure out what the heck this guy is about and we met her way back when and so I was kind of shocked that she was here and she's just like making nice with Alicia.

Now we can talk about later what Simone's like. What her culpability is in all this. Mm-hmm. Um, but this is the opportunity for Louis to try and catch Alicia not at her cabin. And Alicia like spies him outside the window, like goes running to go meet with Louis. Like she drops her stuff. Like, she's like, I am out of here.

It's like, no, no, I'm ready. I'm ready to go. Like, let's go do this. Oh, guess what, Jason? We're delayed again. What? Get, get outta here. Get outta town. Hi. What? And this is where Louis Canning decides, I know what we'll do. I need to like, talk to Alicia. So I'm gonna tell her that my friend is dying. And he sent me an email to write his eulogy.

Did you ever give a, she's like, yeah. To my dad. Oh, I didn't mean to like talk about her or whatever. Oh. But guess what? Like, he's still not gonna be here. [00:21:00] Yeah. And this, this is, you know, interesting. Uh, you would think Alicia, knowing who she's dealing with, would have like picked this up immediately. But she doesn't, she kind of falls for it.

He ki like, and this is Lewis's way, I guess, of like getting her off a game by like trying to make her sad if I talk about someone's funeral because he's just like, oh yeah, you know, I gotta get a eulogy. You, like you can tell Alicia's like. Taken aback by this. She's, yeah. I had to give a funeral for my dad.

We get a little, like, I feel like this is the first time we've really heard Yes. About Alicia's dad and what happened with Alicia's dad. He, yes, he passed away at like 60 years old. Yeah. Just pretty young. Yes. And she revealed, she gave the eulogy and she, you, like, she turns away from Louis and gets like, she's getting a little emotion.

She's like, oh, did I, did I have upset? She's like, no, no, not at all. Whatcha talking about, whatcha talking about? And so, yeah, it's, it's another one of like Lewis's like. Dirty tactics. Yes. Yeah. Agreed. Uh, so Alicia's new friend, Simone, who she doesn't know is Simone, yet, still brings her, brings the stuff that Alicia had dropped on the floor to her [00:22:00] room.

She's like, oh my gosh. Thank you so much. What do you, why are you here? Oh, I'm here for her lock case. Oh, my husband's here for her work law case thing. Oh my gosh, that's so funny. It's just like, oh, it's you. And Simone's like, yeah, he talks about you all the time. I was like even getting jealous, like, oh my gosh, we should have breakfast.

We should be friends. And Alicia's like, Hey, Simone. Uh, so sorry to hear about your husband's friend who's dying. And someone's like, huh? What? Who? She's like, what? And Alicia Alicia's like, oh, I must have been mistaken. I think at this time Alicia's thought about it and she's like, this could be a Lewis canning trick.

We, let me, let me test this to see if this is a Lewis Canning trick. Oh yeah. It's a Lewis canning trick for sure. I, I did love the like Simone of it all because I feel like there probably were, were some viewers at the time that didn't remember that this was Yes, Mrs. Canning. So that like semi reveal for people that didn't remember.

It was like, oh, interesting. And so it also makes you wonder about like. Was [00:23:00] Simone in on this with canning? Did she, did she like, well, yeah. Talk to us like, hey, she's like at the store, like, go, go do it now. Well, and at this, like even in this conversation, she says, we're gonna be here a while, so we should have breakfast.

And Alicia's like, are we gonna be here for a while? And Simone's like, I don't know. I don't know anything. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I hope at some point in the future we find out that Simone is just as cutthroat as her husband is. 'cause so far from when we met Simone, it's been very like, she's just, just this like really nice, uh, wife of Louis Canning and she has no idea what her husband does.

Like how, like for her own safety. I hope she's as cu Yeah. Tan. Yeah. She has no idea how underhanded her husband is. But I hope we find out one day that she is just as like devious as Louis is. Agreed. Agreed. Meanwhile, back in Chicago land, definitely not Chicago proper. Um, Kalinda found out that the mosquitoes.

From the koi pond [00:24:00] that Louis Cannings people are seeing are the, the mosquitoes that, cause the West Nile can't even carry West Nile virus. Like they're incapable of doing it. But the ones in the swim pool are so Beck to Minnesota, we're doing more waiting for Wilkes. He's not showing up. He's not showing up.

Um, and it was just like, Hey, we've got time. Why don't you like call your friend who's dying? It's like, maybe he's dead. Like maybe, maybe you wanna call your wife to see if he could like, help you with the eulogy. Kenny's like, oh, okay. You met my wife. Yeah. And I was like, I, I was wondering like, is this gonna be a case where like Louis was actually telling the truth and like his friend was dying and Alicia is uh, kind of insensitive at this point.

But no, we find out it was definitely a lie. And it was like kind of like fesses up too, like yeah, I lied. Yeah. I was trying, I was just trying to connect with you. What, what's the problem? Yeah, it's just like, how could such a nice woman like [00:25:00] Simone fall for a bastard like you and she, and then like, who Kenny's like women like bastard.

That's all of the stories. And I'm like, he has a point. Listen, he, he might as well just like pointed to Alicia. Yeah, for sure. Like bastards. I mean, look at you for sure. Look at your husband, right? For sure. Definitely king of the pastors in this universe for sure. Yeah. Um, yeah. So it's like, okay, we're gonna do 10, we'll do 10:00 AM again, like seriously?

He's gonna show up. He's gonna show up. And elisha's like, great. That'll give you time Lewis to read this CDC report that says that the mosquitoes from the koi pond couldn't carry a Nile virus. Like, uh, okay, hold on, let me get on the phone. So he calls his team in Chicago, um, and they depose the teenager Kaylee and.

Like in a very clear argument by Martha, she's like, okay, do you know what this type of mosquito is? Like very like laying out like this type of [00:26:00] mosquito that can carry west now virus. Okay, cool. Um, and do you see the pool and the fence, like the property line? How much space is the between there and how, how, you know, how much like, yeah, I see that.

Okay, cool. Well, did you know that these mosquitoes that carry was now virus and will's like, okay, so you're saying the mosquitoes came from the pool, right? Like, well, let's get that on record. It's like these mosquitoes can only fly about 50 feet and the space between the pool and the property line is at least 40 feet.

So there is no way that a mesquite could fly from the pool into your yard and can contract you with West Nile virus unless, unless you hop the fence. If you hop the fence, then uh, that's trespassing and we are not held liable at all. Yeah. So that was interesting because our people have kind of hoisted themselves on their own guitar in again, because yeah, they called attention to the [00:27:00] specific mosquito.

So this let our, let, let's let the opposition say, okay, let's, let's, uh, research this mosquito. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And what it does, what it can do, what it can't do. It was like, oh, turns out that, because you guys caught attention to what kind of mosquito it was, we found out this mosquito could not have possibly flown to you to get you this virus.

So obviously you had to come to the mosquitoes. And then she's just like, Hey, kale can't lie here. Like, I just wanna let you know. So she does admit that this was a thing that, that happened, so, okay. And the team is a, like, you see like a, uh, like they know what's coming. Yeah. They're like, uh, okay. So carrie's like, all right, fine.

So she climbed the pool, but also like, wasn't this a pool that had like a waterfall and a grotto and a slide and like all of this stuff? Um, did you like board any of this up? Did you like, make sure it wasn't attractive to kids in any way? Like the, the grotto was being used for by [00:28:00] skateboarders, like people were taking over this pool regardless, but did you do anything, fence it off, anything at all to prevent this from happening?

And they're like, no, not really. So this is a case of an attractive nuisance where the liability falls on the people who are not making a dangerous situation seem not exciting, not attractive to people. Listen, people tried to board me up, tried to keep me indoors. Okay. But it wasn't, it was, was no use. My wife fell for the attractive nuisance and.

Here I am today with my wife, who I think if you asked her, would, would say that I was an attractive nuisance. I do love sometimes when these like, uh, legal terms are fun. Like that, like attractive nuisance is fun. Like that's a good one. That's fun. That's a fun word. It's a fun, it's a fun term, I'll say, but I mean, I love, I love the argument was a little weak of like, oh it is.

[00:29:00] That's why Martha counters with saying like, okay, Kali, like, do you know right from wrong, basically. Mm-hmm. Like, you know, like, you didn't have to go over the fence. Right. Like, you chose to do that. That was something you weren't coerced into doing that. Yeah. Um, so we're not gonna negotiate with you any longer.

We're gonna go to trial, but I thought it was, I thought it was interesting because we find out earlier from Alicia that they've been trying to nail down Ingersol for 14 months. It's been over a year. Yeah. Yeah. So at the time Kaylee was like. 12 years old ish, like, right. So I think you could argue like, I mean, n now she can answer these things right in, in this manner, but who knows what it was like when she was 12?

Because Willie Carey tried to argue that like, well, you know, Kaleigh, yeah, she was, she was 12, but she was like, a shelter 12. Like, like, that's ka. I'd be like, excuse me. Like, whatcha trying to say about me? I'm just like, like a dumb kid. Is that what you're trying to say? Well, and then it was like earlier, all of this like patronizing stuff of like, will was like, you doing okay, kalee, you doing all right?

And [00:30:00] then also Ka uh, KA was like, you don't have to talk to my client like that. She's, she's like 18 years old or whatever, like, she's an adult. You don't have to like pla to her. She's 14 or whatever, however old. She's like, she's smart. Not eight. She's 14. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, well, but that, that arguments kind of used against her, like, well, she's 14, not eight.

Right. Like you said. So she, she knows right or wrong. It's like, well, well, well, actually she was very sheltered. She's like, it's like, it's like so, like she's underdeveloped. It's okay. Like it's. She's done. Yeah. So the strategy here in Chicago at least is not working. Ballpark, the, the will and Carrie versus Martha not working.

Yeah, because Martha was like, I was like, all right, so we'll just go to court then. Is that what y'all want? Yeah, that's it. Y'all wanna go to court? We'll go to court. Alright. And they're like, oh crap, we can't take this to court. We need this money. So Carrie brings up that there's a merger involved with this bank and something's gotta be go going on where they don't want this to affect the merger.

That's why we're stalling. Yeah. Yeah. At the same time, Alicia's like, [00:31:00] okay, let me see if I can find out why we're stalling. Hey. Oh, is the 10:10 AM and oh, is uh, Ingersoll not here yet? Guess what? We have time to depose some other people. Hey Rita from housekeeping. You wanna come in here for a minute? Um, did you overhear Lewis Canon conversation this morning?

Yeah. Oh, okay. What did he, what did he say? It's like, I'll call you when Flox stops out. Yeah, this, okay. This is wild. This is wild of Alicia to do. I mean, it, it show, it really does show some very good, like cunning and some very like, good like thought process, but I thought she got rather lucky with what for sure.

What, you know, with what was revealed. Because I mean, I. How would she know that her housekeeper was like listening to Louis Cannings like conversation. It's like, wow. Well, she had to have been doing some sort of kalinda impersonation while she Yeah, because she also gets Ed from the front desk to say, well, early in the episode we, it's noted that there's no cell phone coverage.

So she gets an audit of the calls that were made from Louis Cannings room and it's very much [00:32:00] checkoffs cell phone coverage. Yes. Lack of cell phone coverage. Yes. Yeah. And was Cannings like, oh, I was calling like my team back in Chicago. Like that's what I was doing. Oh, hey Ed. Did any of those calls go to Chicago?

No. No, they didn't. Cool. So canning iss like pissed at this point. Like he gets up, he's like ready to walk off and Alicia's like, oh, do you wanna leave? Because I'm gonna call the judge and if you're not here, you're gonna be held in contempt for in Obste, which is a fancy way of saying not being here. Um, judge is like such the parent in this situation, like, yeah.

You gotta get your client here at 10 in the morning tomorrow. If he's not here, you're gonna be held in contempt. Do you understand? I was like, yeah. Okay. Yeah. The judge is very much the, the parental figure of like, I'm, I'll call the judge, you don't wanna mess around. I'm gonna call the judge. 'cause Alicia threatens this multiple times.

Yes. In the episode of like, let it be shown that, uh, Ingersoll not show up again. And she also tells Kenny, you don't want me to call the judge, do you? Because the judge is not happy that you keep stalling this case because this case has been on the judge's docket for over a year. So that this, [00:33:00] the judge wants this done now.

And today the judge told you, clean your room, you better have your room clean by, by 5:00 PM Or look, the judge is gonna be real mad at you and you're gonna get detention. AKA held in contempt. You don't want the judge to be mad at you. Do you, uh, at this point, Kalinda shows up with her with clothes for Alicia and wine again.

How she got there? Dunno. Um, teleportation maybe. And they both have this like reflection, like it's quiet and Alicia's like. Yeah, it is quiet. And Clint's like, it's so quiet. I'd kill someone. And I'm like, okay. Uh, and Alicia is reflecting on the fact that it was quiet before she started going back to work, and she would have a drink every day at three.

And Clint's like, I miss this. And Alicia's like, uh, and Clint's like, I'm sorry. She's like, I know. So it's still like, not a hundred percent back together, but maybe we're making strides. It was such an interesting, like, revisit because [00:34:00] I didn't know that we still needed a revisit Yeah. To this. And I was like, oh, we're still, like, this is still a thing between y'all because we've seen the relationship kind of repair, uh, a little bit.

So much so they're still meeting out for drinks now to talk about the real, the real life of it all. I, I'm still waiting for the big, like the big break, right? Mm-hmm. Because we've been talking about this for as long as this show has been in existence, our show has been in existence about this like. Big break, like when is the break gonna happen between them?

And they're still like, they're still together now. I was wondering in this wide shot, Uhhuh with Alicia on one bed and Kalinda on the other bed very far apart and from what we know of shenanigans happening with filming Well, and even when she opens the door. Yeah. Like she's on one side, the other like they're not in the same shot together except for on the bed.

Right. And I'm wondering, like in these bed shots, was there some editing magic? This could be just our brains work because of what we know working to, to [00:35:00] make things true. We don't know. Uh, there was another moment earlier, later that you talk about where Clin is on the phone with, uh, will and Diane. And we see Alicia like back turned, getting her like mm-hmm.

Coat on. I for one was one moment was like, that's not Juliana Leys. I bet as she turned around it was Juliana Ley. So I was like, okay, my brain just keeps messing with me. But I, I did wonder because I was like, this is a, this would be a very easy shot to fake Yes. Through editing magic. Yes. Agreed. And then I don't know why it takes.

Kalinda being there for this to come up. Butlin's like, Hey, maybe we should check out the number that wasn't, oh, I mean, it's Kalinda, that's what Kalinda does. Sure. But I mean like, I think that because Alicia's like, why, what do you wanna like, it's so obvious, like just see what these numbers are. So she finds out that it, the number, there was a number to a cancer treatment center, and unfortunately, Mr.

Geral has non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. It's not public public knowledge, and they don't obviously want this to come out. Before the [00:36:00] merger. Um, unfortunately for Ingersoll, this is also a crime. So when he waits, we're waiting, waiting again. He finally shows up and he's just like, how are you feeling today? Mm-hmm.

Ingersoll Wass. Like, wait, why? What's up with that? Like, oh, just asking. Just asking. Okay. Like, what about this resident letter? It's like, oh, if I read every letter that gave to me, I wouldn't be able to shower shape. Which, you know, when he, he did it earlier in the episode too, when he makes this stupid corny joke, all of his like, underlings are like, ha ha ha.

Wasn't that funny guys? Like, even ke not funny. Yeah. Even canning. Uh, we, we hope Kenny's not, not, not below, uh, kneecap sucking to Yes. Who we need kneecap suck up to. Agreed. Agreed. And so after that, Alicia just goes right in with it. She's like, are you aware that it's an SEC violation to heen illness from your stakeholders?

And it's like, objection. This is beneath you, Alicia. She's like, unfortunately. Because it's you. Unfortunately it's not Liz [00:37:00] Ning. Unfortunately it's not. And then she asked, I thought this was great. She's like, Hey court reporter, can you leave the room? And the court reporter gets up and is like, my name is Mika.

And to, to me, I was like, Ooh, Alicia, you're getting called out a little bit. Because like Mika's like, listen, I'd be here with you every time. Well, every I'm here too. Like this is happening to me too. I'm not so unnamed person. I'm also being like jerked around here. 'cause every time y'all have to come here, I have to come here too.

So like, treat me as a person. Like I love, I was like, oh, snap i's like, my name's Mika. You haven't talked to me whatsoever. You just treat me like I'm just the court reporter. But it's been the three of us in this room. And it's not just you and canning, it's me, you and canning. I'm a person too. Dammit. And I'm Mika.

Yeah. Well, and I think that honestly, if I was a KZ stenographer, I would've been standing up in like my living room or something. Like shout out to the craft. Like, I don't know. Weird people too. Weird people too. Yeah. Like have you ever seen, like I knew someone who's [00:38:00] studying to be a KZ stenographer and the way, like there's not that many buttons on their keyboard and the way that they have to put together things so quickly.

Like it's a totally really interesting skill. It's not a skill, it's not regular keyboard. No. It's like, it's only got like six or eight buttons on it. And then like the combination of that, um, is what creates the, the words. It's funny that like this comes up. Right now, I don't know if you're watching Amazing Race right now or not.

Oh no, I'm behind. Okay. So, but you can talk about it. So this week on Amazing Race, there was a task where they had to, uh, write, they had to type something in braille. Oh yeah. And the way that, that that is done is what you're kind of describing. It's like six different dots. Yes. Six buttons. There are six buttons on the typewriter that you have to hit in combination to type something out in braille.

So that's like just a really interesting moment in my life of like a kismet type of thing. Uh, again, we are the main characters in this. Yes. And everything else is a simulation. Um, so it's just interesting that, that those things. Came up at the same [00:39:00] time. I'm just, I just wanted to point it out. Yeah, no, I think those, I also watch the amazing race in our, in listening to our podcast.

Uh, it's just really interesting. Yeah. I think that the technology is the same and also randomly in the second grade, second grade, some sort of like, really can invent something that would make the world better for the future. I was like, we need a braille, a braille keyboard. And then I was like, oh, they already did that.

Um, yeah. Listen, uh, court sonographer. Uh, is it, it's still a thing. I feel like that's a, it's totally still a thing. That's a job AI's gonna come for. Like, well, but it, but I think that's still something in the human, like trust thing. Mm-hmm. That's there. But yeah. I don't know. We shall see. Uh, but anyway, so shout out to court.

Stenographers. Way to go. Shout out to Mika. Get it. Mika. Get Mika. Her own spinoff. Uh, and she's basically like, Hey, Mika, like you can leave. Because I'm gonna say, Hey, I know that I know what you're doing. I know that you've got non-Hodgkin's lymphoma. It doesn't have [00:40:00] to go on the record. All you have to do is approve the settlement and it goes nowhere.

And that's, it wraps it up. They get 12, it's a $12 million settlement. 3 million goes to the firm, bada bing, badda, boom. Or as they say, boom, ADA, boom, ADA, they're done. Boom, ADA. Uh, but this was like, this is like Alicia and her like, final form or like, yes. Like, I'm going to literally blackmail you with this information to force you to settle this.

I'm like, like, damn, Alicia. You're damn. Like you are a hardcore now, Alicia. Well, and it was even like, evident in the conversations, Carrie's like, okay, like you want to use this? It's just like, I got it. Like, yeah, I got it. Yeah. Like I know exactly what to do. I know. I don't need you boys telling me anything.

Yeah. Like I'm here. I'm about to extort this man for $13 million to, to like, you know, get some not information he doesn't want out there, out there. I was like, damn, Alicia. I don't think season one Alicia no. Could have done this, but Alicia's like, no, I'm good. I got it. I'm your girl. I'm here. Yeah, yeah. No, [00:41:00] don't need you to send like Will in here to, to do my do dirty work.

I got this. It's like, damn girl, you do got this. You are. Mm-hmm. You are in there. Get it girl. Um, so yeah. Good for her. Uh, I, I do wonder why Mika was like allowed to leave. 'cause like I feel like if this is like a real court thing, I wouldn't be leaving. I think there are certain situations where that can happen.

Yeah, I guess. Or like, because it's a deposition. Yeah, like it's probably recorded, like mic up the room, you know what I mean? Like, that's probably in there. But yeah, we got some more to cover in this episode. So, um, just to talk briefly about what's going on with Eli. Eli got a visit from Frank, from the DNC.

He's like, Hey, I heard about the raid. This is not good. You're gonna need to find a second like chief of staff in case anything like goes down like you need, you need a second, you need a buddy, you need a bro. Um, basically it's like. It's funny 'cause Frank is like, yeah. [00:42:00] So like in case you get arrested, yeah.

We're going to need someone to like step in your shoes. It, it is kind of like wild to like be like, yeah, you get in trouble. You need someone to like take over your stuff. It's almost like find your replacement even. Yes. It's like, yeah. And he is Eli's like, there are forces in the government that don't want Peter to be governor and they're using me and like, Frank's like, I don't care what it is.

Um, it still does means that you gotta find somebody. Well, Frank's like, exactly bro. That's why we need a someone to take over for you. It in case you get arrested. It's like, yes. Right. We're saying the same thing. My guy Eli is like, okay, I'm going to sue the Department of Justice for harassment. And Diane's like, is that, is that really what you wanna be doing?

Is that, so they're waiting in a room. Just waiting to deliver this harassment suit to the de Department of Justice. They, they probably think they're gonna meet with LaGuardia, who we seen that last episode, who was like the face of the Justice department last time, but it was not, it was [00:43:00] a dark shadow that enters the doorway.

It was the one and only Wendy Scott car, ah, WSC is back. I was like, oh my God. She's back. She's back and she is, she's back. Like she, she's back, back with a vengeance and Eli's like, Hey, if you wanna be Peter, you use the ballot box. She's like, I'm not, all I'm here to do is to wipe corruption from government.

Like that is all I'm here to do. If you think I'm acting from bias, even though the man told me to validate my parking when I left, there is no truth to that at all. I can't believe that is like really underestimating me. She's like, how dare you say that I have a vendetta against you. And P like, she's doing her like patented.

Yeah. Whitney Scott car. Like even toned. Even keeled. Yes. Charmed. Like I am just unbothered. I don't know what you're talking about. I'm just trying to do what's best for everyone involved. How dare yous, uh, suggest otherwise like, [00:44:00] okay, we, we, when's got car? We know what You are a silent killer. Yeah. We know.

We seen you in action. My theory that lawyers are really theater kids still comes into play. Like they love to act it up, just like for sure she's doing here. Um, so Eli. Eli, okay. Rough day. Rough day already. Right? And then he goes back to the office, uh, campaign office and is introduced to you, Jordan LIOs.

Mm-hmm. Who is also in this world that deemed the boy wonder by rah Emanuel. Okay. Just. Chicago does not like Rah Emanuel Uhhuh like whatever. Whatever the country thinks. Like we do not like him. We do not own him. He was the mayor for a while. He did work for Obama. He is who the ca character of Josh on the West Wing is based after however, no thank you.

Peace out Rah, Emanuel. Um, but we see that Jordan is a familiar face. Mm-hmm. Uh, TR Knight, [00:45:00] who most people will know as George from Grey's Anatomy. And I think that's probably like. That's probably a wrap for TR Knight in terms of like, what do you know him from, he recently showed up on that show, the flight attendant, which was on, I forget, but it had Kalee Cuco in it and their brother, sister.

But yes, I wrote in my notes, uh, Eli meets George. Yeah. And it's funny for me because Jordan is like positive as this like, boy wonder, but I maybe it's just t the way T like Tiara Knight's look. His look gives very, he looks, gives off older to me. I'm like, how is he a boy? Wonder when I feel like he's not even like five years younger than Eli.

Yeah, no. Yeah. He's, he's definitely well, and also like Tr Knight's demeanor is very, very old. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like if old, if we're calling him the young boy wonder that we should have casted somebody that was like, seemed a little younger. Like if you had casted Carrie, uh, or sorry, Matt Zachery in this, I'd have been like, yeah, okay.

I could see [00:46:00] younger boy Wonder Vibes from a Matt Zachery type, but I don't get that from a TR Knight. I get that. Like, it feels like when TR Knight was like 10, he looked like he was like 30. Like, you know, just, he just, he just, I feel like he just gives an older vibe just 'cause just wave his look maybe.

But I was like, if you're gonna like bring someone in here, that's the boy wonder. He should probably cast enough. A little younger looking at least. Well yeah. But also I'm sure at the time it was a big get, because Georgia died spoilers for Grey's Anatomy. Um, so like to see him back on the screen was probably like, oh my gosh.

Big deal. Uh, okay, so then again, just to review. Eli's day, right? We had, you have to find a second. Wendy's got car is back for your harassment. Um, Jordan is here and Frank wants you to work with him, and Jordan wants to learn from his elders. Oh. Which is just like another, like Eli. Oh. So Diana thinking that she's like helping Eli in this situation is like, I'm gonna go talk to Wendy Scott Carr's [00:47:00] campaign manager, Tobin, like, Hey, just FYI, word on the street is the DOJ is looking into old campaigns, old campaign managers for donations.

Um. For bribes basically. And Tobin's like, oh, that's so interesting. Diane leaves Tobin's on the phone with Wendy Scott Carr, Hey. Yes. By the way, Diane was just here telling me all this stuff and, and Wendy, Scott Carr says, you have nothing to worry about. We ran a clean campaign. And Tobin's like, yeah, but nothing's a hundred percent.

And what you got car is we ran a clean campaign campaign. Right. And she also realizes like this is a warning shot from Diane. Like this has nothing to do with U Tobin. But also we ran a clean campaign. It's like that, it's like that meme right? Of uh uh, Anakin and Pad may where he's like, the meme is like, he says, we ran a clean campaign, right.

Pad may looks like. Or was it, who was, it's Annie kinda looks like, yeah, I don't know about that. And he goes, we read a clean campaign. Right? It's [00:48:00] like, and it's like, I dunno about that. We ran a clean campaign. Right. But it, it's almost as if she realized like, he was like what he was saying, like, well, I mean, you know, you could misinterpret anything.

She's like, she went from asking to telling Yes. Like, no, bro. Yes. We radical a clean campaign. If anyone else asks you, we radical a clean campaign, keep your damn mouth shut. Like, he basically tells like, do not talk to that woman anymore. Like that is it. And this was, this was a Diane just like, and when Wendy calls it, she's like, it's a warning shot at me.

That's what that was. Yeah. Because basically Diana is saying like, Hey. Uh, I'm gonna bring you into this. Yeah. If Wendy's scar car comes after Eli, basically like, if you wanna push the issue, we'll push the issue and I'll point the finger right back at you. Right. And have, have other, have people investigating you as well.

If you keep this shit up. And when the car's like, oh, bet. All right, cool. Like, see what I do now. See what I do now since she did that, like she literally just like, oh, the Bear Scott car. But big time in terms of what, see what I do [00:49:00] now, because Wendy Scott car shows up at Lockhart Gardener and Diane is just like, oh my God, this isn't good.

But also, why are you here? And Wendy Scott car's like, oh, you know, Eli worked outta here for a while. And, uh, that means like the whole firm subject to investigation. Mm-hmm. So I got my boys here, basically, they're gonna go look around and Diane's like, Hey, this is completely hypocritical. And I loved this scene because again, Diane's like this is completely in, uh.

Completely hypocritical. And we just got, car is like, okay, Uhhuh, and like, oh, well we got a warrant. Gotta go. Um, and also like, thanks for the warning shot. Like that really helps me out here. Like, that was great. Uh, so because of this, Diane has to call Eli and say, Hey, we can no longer represent you because we are also now involved in this.

And Eli is just like, okay, this day sucks. This is [00:50:00] the worst day basically of his in a while. And then right behind him there's a little George. I mean Jordan, uh, wonder Boy Jordan thing. Hey, you know, like, why aren't we doing debate prep? Like, we gotta be behind on this. So he goes old, he comes up, he goes, where's the old man?

I was like, is he like that much older than you are, Jordan, come on. And I know he's just doing this to like, you know, poke. Pope at Eli, but I was like, oh my gosh, it's so, so ridiculous. Yeah. So rough times for Eli Gold in this episode. Rough times and also rough times for the firm because early in the episode we get notice that a mediation has been called and both Will and Diane, this is in regards to the bankruptcy case of course.

And, um, will and Diane are like, oh my gosh, what's going on if we gotta talk to Clark? 'cause if we're going down, Clark's going down. So Diane confronts Clark about this mediation, and Clark's like, I can't help you because I requested it. And Diane's like, what do [00:51:00] you mean you requested? He's like, yeah, I want you and will to be removed from your positions because you blocked the merger.

We can't, you can't merge. You've got credit. You're preventing me from, or you've got debt. You're preventing me from doing my job. Basically, so Diane goes, tell Will, and there's a scene where Clark is seen talking to Carrie, and Dan's like, oh my gosh, he's rounding up his troops, he's getting things ready.

So it brings Carrie into the office. It's like, Hey, hey. What'd you talk about Clark? Well, not not much. Well, we were wondering if we could talk about you testifying for us. Yeah. It's like, Carrie, you're not about to like, turn on us. Are It was basically like a let's, yeah. Carrie. Whatcha doing? What? Whatcha are?

You want your little buddy Clark talking about what do you, whatcha are conspired about? We wanna make sure that you're on the right side of things, Carrie. Which, yes. It's almost basically what this was of like, don't you go turn on us, Carrie, don't you? Yes. So the day has come for mediation and we are introduced to Empress Darine.

Fin Novi, who is our [00:52:00] mediator for this, uh, mediation. Uh, I love her. I love her like aura. I love all, everything about her. I love everything how she like introduces herself. Um, but I think she's been around in the TV world for a while, Jason. Yeah. When fin came on the screen, I was like, oh my gosh. It's the, uh, it's the lady from LA SVU, um, this is Tamara Toy who I like, I don't remember her character's name on SVU, but I remember her actress, like I remember the real life name because it's such an interesting name to me.

It's always stuck out to me as like Tamara Toy. Interesting name. Um, uh, so she was on LA SVU for years as the medical examiner whenever they had a body and they needed to figure out what was going on with it. Tamara, uh, would be here to get them all the deets and all that. She's currently on the, uh, I guess I would call it in.

A black soap opera. That's, I, I, that's what it's kind of marketed as, as well. Beyond the gates that is on, I'm trying to remember, I think it's on CBS, is it on CBS or is it on like BET [00:53:00] or something like that? Uh, la la la la la. I don't remember. It's, it's a black, it's a black soap opera right now that's going on.

Mm-hmm. Um, so yeah, that's where she is now. And that's like, I was like, oh yeah, it's her. Tam Tooty love it. She is. Yeah. And she's great. She's definitely, like, she's the mediator, not a judge. She's, she's keeping to the, keeping to her role here. Clerk is like, Hey, basically like, mom, babe, block the merger and he's right.

No, well, not really, because like. We didn't, we just, we moved around some stuff with David Lee. Right. Like Right, right. Well, and also they're saying like, this is not what the orders of the court were, the orders of the court were not to find a merger. They were to help us do this stuff. Um, yeah. So it's like, well, I kind of went, I kind of like interpreted that in my own way and then decided that like a merger would give the debtors like 70 per 70% of their, their monies back.

So I feel like that's in the best interest of their creditors. [00:54:00] And for those that don't remember, this was like a few episodes ago where, uh, Burl Preston mm-hmm. Like was, was on the other side of a case and Clark decided that this would be a good time to see if, uh, burrow wanted to buy the firm. Yeah.

There was a lot of like. Yeah, Clark was trying to work, you know, work in secret to see if Burl wanted to merge up. Um, and you know, Burl getting so mad that our people beat him. He was about to be, he was about to buy the firm, but Will and Diane kind of like went around him and be, and Burr wanted to buy the, uh, the firm mostly because of the family law arm of it, which is led by David Lee who does like stellar work.

We've heard throughout the whole series. David Lee does great work. Uh, so he was the main reason that Burl wanted to buy the firm. He hates David Lee, but he loves what David Lee does for the firm. Well, David Lee's the only money making entity in this firm at the moment. Yeah. So, and, and he [00:55:00] also was one of the biggest debt creditors of the firm because of what he had put in.

So he, like Will and Diane renegotiated that a little bit, gave him a little bit more like basically said. Hey, you're free if we, if we get merged, we're free. You're free to go. You don't have to come with the merger or anything like that. And that was enough for David to stick around, which was enough for, uh, Burl to be like, oh, I'm not gonna get David.

I'm out. Yep. See you later. So they, they kind of, they circumvented the merger, but they didn't, like, they didn't, I guess, I guess they didn't directly do something. They'd be like, Sabo, like, yes, they sabotaged it, but you can't prove that they sabotaged it. Right. They, they, Diana will say what I mean, listen, we just, we were just doing what's in the best interest of our lawyers by giving our lawyers a little more freedom.

What David Lee chose to do with that is David Lee's business. But Carcass was so pissed at, I remember like when that happened, he was pissed. Clark was pissed and like pissed, pissed. And this was, this is kind of his like retribution to be like, yeah, all [00:56:00] right, I'm gonna tell, move and get a mediator to say, y'all have to move because you're messing with my stuff.

You're messing with my monies here. I'm trying to do what's in the best interest by merging the law firms, which y all. Took that outta my, my hands. Mm-hmm. So I'm gonna get, yeah, and Diane's like, but we also have like, raised a lot of money in a short amount of time, and it's just like, how much, exactly. 20 million in Clark's, like there's still 40 million to go.

And Will Is, will here is like, will, has never really liked Clark. And so he's saying, you know, like if we had someone who understood the law, then maybe, maybe this would go, uh, and Diane's like, look, our debt, our creditors are voting with their pocketbook because apparently they're talking to a private equity firm, an Anis equity, and they're, they're gonna purchase the debt.

So this is a vote of confidence. This is, you know, we're doing things still in the interest of the firm to help us get out of debt. Give us some time. To like prove this and, and will's like, yeah, we can get you [00:57:00] witnesses, we can do all this stuff. And surfing's like, uh, how much time do you need? Will's?

Like a week. She goes, uh, tomorrow, we'll do this tomorrow. Whenever, like, listen here. People in any TV characters and TV shows, I know you're watching whenever someone asks you how much time you need, overshoot it by a lot. Be like three months because whatever, whatever you say, the person in charge is gonna cut it down by at least 50%.

Yes. Agreed. So the next scene in this mediation, uh, carries on the stand. And Carrie, of course, you know, when you, when you are testifying, you have to state your name and sometimes your title. Mm-hmm. Um, for, for the record. And so Carrie AGAs, fourth year associate. Is on the stand. I mean, they, they, you know, I think we've mentioned, they've mentioned before that they're kind of like, they're counting his years at the state attorney's office as years served, I guess wanna say yes.

However, when he says this, Clark is like, wait, what? [00:58:00] Oh, because you think this was like kind of a payment for Carrie to be like, yes, Carrie, if you testify for it. Yes. Because he went into, like, the day before this meeting, I'm pretty sure he was a third year associate. Oh. And now he is a fourth year associate.

So there's this like, look, and the, the question here for Clark is, or for Carrie is, did you help Clark, um, study for the bar? Basically, he's like, how much time did you spend? Um, and did you feel like you had a choice in the matter? And carrie's like, no, not really. Like I, I didn't feel like this man is in charge of our entire future, basically.

So I didn't feel like I had a choice. And Clark. Clark is sitting there for like, he is visibly hurt by this revelation. And the fact that he is now a fourth year associate, um, Clark is like, okay, well did you tell them that I offered to pay for your assistance with that? And he's like, no, but like, I couldn't say no to you.

Like, [00:59:00] I don't know what else to say. Did I ever say I would per persecute for you this? Like, again, I didn't feel like I could say no. Um, and so he does tell the mediator like, look, this is just an example of Lockhart gardening, garner looking to win at all costs. Like they're not even gonna like take a moment and, you know, be realistic about this.

And Clark gives Carrie a look before he leaves. He's so hurt. Like I was, I felt so bad for Clark and this, it is like, oh my gosh, you're losing your buddy Clark and Carrie because you know Carrie. Yeah, I think Carrie also was like, sorry man, I gotta just, I gotta do what I gotta do. You know what I mean? Um, and 'cause, you know, it's like.

And, and here it is also interesting like examination before even kind of, before the word was really talking about it, of power dynamics For sure. In the workplace. For sure. It's like, yeah. And I'm glad it was man on man. Yeah, true. It's like, yeah, you didn't, you didn't say or implied, but I implied because I [01:00:00] know that you control a lot.

So that's kind of the natural order of it. When you ask me to do something that's outside of my job duties, I feel like I have no choice but to say yes because you are in charge a lot. And if I know, if I say no, whether, whether implicitly or explicitly you're gonna hold it against me. Yeah. And you know, I feel like I have to say yes.

So it's like, and I don't think even Clark really kind of clocked that he even really understood it, but it's like, I thought it was a very like early talk that before it really became in the zeitgeist of. The world to talk about these type of power dynamics and be like, you might think we're buddies, but in real life you are pretty much my boss.

You control my Well, you're in control of my future. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I also like during this, not only did he say cargo's, fourth year Associate Luck Gardner, wait, did you help? How much time did you spend Clark? Well, as a fourth year associate, you know? Mm-hmm. I don't have a lot of time. And Clark then even said, as you mentioned, fourth year associates don't have a lot of time.

So [01:01:00] like there was the power dynamic between those two. But also there's this like gain, like they've always been like this though, but like. They will win at all. At all costs. Yeah. And it's like, uh, it can be used against and for them and they, because yes, if Clark says and Will and like, yeah, that's true.

And we're gonna do that to get our debt resolved. So Right. We shouldn't still be here. Like, yeah. Right. So at the end of the mediation session or something, uh, will walks in, he is like, look, we just got a $12 million sediment. And Diane says, our debt has been purchased. This purchase shows confidence. Um, and the mediator's like, yeah, okay.

You're not gonna be removed. And also you still have to work with Clark Super fun. And Clark, you cannot look for anyone to buy this firm until after the deadline. If they do not make this deadline of, what was it? Five weeks? Five months. Five weeks. Yeah. Five weeks. They have five weeks to get $40 million.

If they do not make this deadline, then you can look [01:02:00] for someone to buy the firm. Um, well, Diana are like, okay, we got out of this, but also this deadline ain't gonna happen. Like, I don't know what to do. The aunt's, like, we'll talk to the new creditor. Mm-hmm. And at the end of this episode, Alicia is leaving Minnesota, and she is like, okay, bye Louis.

Like, basically like, I got this one, right? Like this one team, Alicia. Um, and Louis is like, yeah, I'll be seeing you. And she's like, wait, what? She's, yeah. Just, I just, I just bought all your debt, like I'm your new creditor. And someone's like, oh my gosh, you're gonna be working together. That's so great. Ugh.

And Alicia's just like, ugh. So just like, like to be expected, um, anytime Louis canning loses, he actually wins. Has, has a win. Yeah. And I, I find that fascinating. 'cause that does happen every time. Whenever we beat Lewis, he's like a, a, a, actually, I kind of just kidding, because now I'm kind of your boss now, now you kind of, you, your, your firm.

Is owing money to me, [01:03:00] so, well, and I can just see Clark Cozy and up canning Oh yeah. And like doing all this stuff. So, so really, so it was like, so really if you think like, he didn't say it. He's like, if you think about it, you're, my loss right now is also my game because Yeah. I got 13 million of my $60 million back, or 12 million, whatever it was.

Yes, exactly. Back. So, hey, I still win either way. So that's where we are. That is the landscape we have going into episode 12 of this season. Also. How rich is those canning? Like super rich. Oh god. Super rich. Super rich. Yeah. Uh, yes. So fascinating episode. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was a really, really good episode with, uh, so interesting returns and so interesting twists and turns in, in this episode of, of our overall narrative of the season of this, especially of this debt conversation.

Yeah. Yeah. I kind of like how that. Storyline has evolved. Mm-hmm. [01:04:00] Gotten us tied into canning. Um, yeah, I remember some things that happened off of that storyline. I'm excited to see them like again. Yeah. And, uh, see them with like new eyes. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Um, so yeah, that's, uh, that's the episode for this week.

Uh, Marissa, do you wanna tell the good folk out there where they can find you and all of your work on the interwebs? You can find me at it's me marissa g.com, where I have links to all of the podcasts that I'm on, including this one. Uh, you can find me also over on the Whirlwind podcast Network, talking about PR Pretty Little Liars one previously on at a time.

And my sister and I are exploring the Final Frontier over on s Sisterhood as we watch for the first time. Star Trek, the Next Generation Jason, you'll all, you will hear it all someday. Out there. Hey, it's like it takes a lot of time for sound. Just travel through space. I don't know what your prob like, I don't know if you know about this, but it takes billions of years.

Okay. Like, if these are [01:05:00] transmissions from space, Jason, like, I don't know what to tell you. It's gonna take a while. Okay. Alright. Alright. Um, as far as we can find me, you can find me talking about messy relationships, messy uh, reality TV drama over on the, uh, perfect Match podcast where me and Aja Welch talk about the show.

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You can hear the beat. Talk to Patrick about that. I did that one solo. It's just me and Pat chopping it up. Couple boys just chopping it up. Um, you can find that on the Perfect Match podcast. Of course. We also have a Patreon where we talk about older seasons of made it First Sight. We do some cast interviews from older seasons as well.

We do rankings, do a lot of fun stuff centered around the show. Made it for sight. So that's something that you or you're into that you watch or just wanna find a new show about relationship, messy drama. Come check us out [01:06:00] over on the Perfect Match podcast on Patreon. And we do have free feed for for Perfect Match as well, talking about the new, the newest season made it for sight.

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