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Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader, hosted by Molly Galler, Stephanie Blackburn, and Kaitlin Mattison. We're three friends who love to read, swap books, and count down until the film and TV adaptations of our favorites are released. Follow us on Instagram, @plansarebooked, or reach out to us directly at plansarebooked@gmail.com.
Molly Galler (00:02)
Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader. I'm Molly Geller.
Stephanie (00:07)
I'm Stephanie Blackburn.
Kaitlin (00:12)
And I'm Caitlin Madison. Welcome. We're here on a very rainy afternoon. And what better way to chat books and spend the day than eating Steph's cookies and making her make me a London fog? Because why wouldn't I? I did, I feel like have a fair trade though, because I did bring over.
Molly Galler (00:18)
I did bring over sushi and rolls and various different animals.
Stephanie (00:29)
I enjoyed having her in the show. I think that she was incredible. Her social, her skin, her different animal character. She was a side -off to all the actors that I had created. She was a split -up and she had one child who was very close and I said, oh, I'm not in the office. So that's pretty cool. I assume that I'm now in the stand -up. No, I did.
Kaitlin (00:36)
sushi molds in various different animal character shapes. I bought like a 12 pack and Steph and I agreed to split them. And she said, what do I owe you for these? And I said, all the London Fox. So that's our trade. I think that I made out like a bandit in the trade. But we...
Molly Galler (00:42)
was on the edge of it.
what do I owe you for these? And I said, oh, the one in the box. So that's our trade. I think that I may not like the bandit in this case. But we've spent a minute since we've been together because I have sinus infections. When we were recording, that's how dedicated we are. The team was like, can we change things? Don't worry about it. Now I'm fully medicated on antibiotics. Spoiler alert to our
Kaitlin (01:01)
It's been a minute since we've been together because I had a sinus infection. So we moved when we were recording that this is how dedicated we are. The team was like, Caitlin, we'll change days. Don't worry about it. Now I'm fully medicated on antibiotics. Spoiler alert to the Republicans, medicine works. Um, and I'm feeling a lot better. Sassy, you know, the whole thing. Thursdays are my day off. I slept for 11 hours, woke up, made myself eggs.
Stephanie (01:05)
I was in the gym and I was in the gym for two don't worry about it. Now, I'm fully vaccinated on anti -oxidants. So I went to the gym and I support it. And Saturday, you know, the third day of my day off, I slept for 11 hours, woke up, made this little test, did...
Molly Galler (01:13)
I'm a lot better. Saturday, you know, the whole thing. Thursdays are my day off. I slept for 11 hours, woke up, made myself pecs, did... I didn't even know if I did anything, and went back to sleep. And just that was the day that things really turned around for me. So I'm feeling a lot better.
Stephanie (01:30)
I mean, I never did anything in my life. And that was the day that things really turned around for me. So I'm very glad that my life was pretty bright.
Kaitlin (01:31)
I didn't even know if I did anything and went back to sleep. And just that was the day that things really turned around for me. So I'm feeling a lot better. My week was pretty much going to bed at like 830 at night so that I could go to work because my students just had a lot going on this week and like being absent was not really an option. And so I just like powered through it.
Molly Galler (01:41)
My week was pretty much going to bed at like 830 at night so that I could go to work because my students just had a lot going on this week and like being absent was not really an option and so I just like powered through it. And that's not my only job, I also own my brother's office. That is less tedious as long as the phone's not ringing off the hook, it's like pretty manageable at home. But the kind of time that we can really pass.
Stephanie (01:44)
I'll go to bed at 3pm so that I can go to work because my students are sad I'm not going on this week and being absent is not an option so I just like power through it. And that's not my only job so I'm sad I don't go to office. That is less tedious as long as the work is not pretty awful. Also it's like a pretty energy -packed headcount. But the can -can -can -can was really bad and like...
Kaitlin (01:58)
And that's not my only job. I also was at my brother's office. That is less tedious. As long as the phone's not ringing off the hook, it's like pretty manageable with like a head cold. Um, but the getting out of bed was really bad and like, you know, the raw nose. I was like a faucet for like five days straight. It was just, that was my week. I don't really have anything exciting to report because, Oh, I had some really good pho. We went to my brother and I went to the pho place that I took you guys.
Stephanie (02:10)
You know, the water was like, awesome, like five days straight. It was just, that was really, I was really excited to report because, well, I had some really good thoughts. He went to my van and I went to the wrong place that I took you guys, and I just put all of Mr. Rock Jump and all of Charlie Crispin and grabbed his leg out of field day and pulled his nose and he said, I'm scared. And it was like, because I had tried to get this out, and I had to get it and I totally
Molly Galler (02:10)
You know, the long term, so I was in a closet for like five days straight. It was just, that was a bit of a rather exciting part of work because, oh, I have some really good thoughts. I have a really good thought.
that I took you guys out to put all this real on, you know, and all the jewelry that I went and grabbed this like outfield day from where it was 87 o 'clock in the morning. It was like because I had felt like I had grabbing at this hour with all the leaves and I felt like I was just eating leaves. I felt like I was eating 20 -odd leaves. It was depressing. So the fog was like really on the fence. Oh, the other day I missed that.
Kaitlin (02:28)
And I just put all of the sriracha and all of the chili crisp in it. And Brad was like, have a field day, blow your nose 87 times, who cares? And it was delightful because I had tried to be good and have a salad one of the days and I felt like I was just eating leaves. I felt like I paid $20 for leaves. It was depressing. So the fall was a win. Really, that's...
Stephanie (02:40)
I'm not like $20 a week. So the follow -up was really funny. Oh, the other thing that I get to add is the important fact was that I thought that was interesting because I guess I didn't really that was anything I thought was really funny. But I did think that was funny. I thought that was interesting because I thought that was funny.
Kaitlin (02:53)
Oh, the other thing that I guess that I would report is I've been listening to a lot of 80s music because I guess people don't maybe know that I'm like really into music and that I go to like a lot of concerts, but I do. I listen to a lot of music. I'm on an 80s kick because I watched one day and before that we saw all of us strangers. And so I have both of those playlists saved on my Spotify.
Molly Galler (02:53)
because I just feel like I'm not going to put this in my book. I thought just that I would try to respond. I'm going use it because I'm not going to.
Stephanie (03:10)
And before the doubt, we saw a whole stream that was most of my list to see on my Spotify. And I gotta tell you, it is a long, long, long time. I'm just in the car, walking around, to 80s heads. It's probably the best day of the summer, but it's fine. But that's it. 80s heads, one day of science fiction. Well, that's it. Oh yeah.
Molly Galler (03:10)
And before that I was all in the screen version, so I have to go to those places to see my slides. And I gotta tell you, it is a lot of this good time. I'm just in a car, but I'll be fine. The AD says it's probably time to make the stopover, but it's fine. But that's it. AD says one day sinus infection.
Kaitlin (03:20)
And I got to tell you, it is a raucous good time. I'm just in the car bopping around to 80s hits. It's probably screwing up my day list algorithm. It's fine. Um, but that's it. 80s music, one day sinus infection, phah. That's it. That's all I got.
Stephanie (03:40)
The reason that I baked cookies last night is my anxiety was, I don't know.
Kaitlin (03:49)
and made a quiche today no less.
Stephanie (03:51)
You know, I anxiety bake. That's what I do. This week I was installing drywall. It was frustrating. Then I did two days.
Molly Galler (03:51)
Steph's
Kaitlin (04:03)
very heavy you're underselling this heavy heavy stuff she's not just installing it's like she's the laborer and the installer
Stephanie (04:11)
I'm sorry.
My aunt is in the process. I've been helping her for the past year going through. She's going to knock down, rebuild her house, has been going back and forth with the architect on the drawings. And then she would send them to me and I'd be like, we need to change this, this and this. And she recently came to me and was like, is it true that drywall is 60 pounds? And I was like, yeah, that feels about right. And time -lapse videos make it look like it's just a piece of cardboard that you're...
Molly Galler (04:38)
Yes.
Stephanie (04:41)
holding up in the air, but that is not the truth. And then backer board, which is the thing that goes behind tile and the bathrooms is a cement board. So that's probably, I don't know, three times heavier. It's heavy, it's awkward. In order to cut it, you have to use a special type of saw because you're cutting through cement and dust gets everywhere. I've had to wash my hair every single day and I feel like Kelly Kapowski, but like...
Molly Galler (04:56)
It's heavy offer in which kind of use.
Kaitlin (04:59)
It's heavy, it's awkward, and I have to cut it, cut it with a special type of saw, to cut it through cement, and just because I'm so bad at it, I just walk right here every single day, so I can't even tell the difference. It's okay, I have to wash my hands. It's an easy thing for me, so it's about...
Molly Galler (05:02)
and restaurants everywhere, and there's lots of cameras everywhere you can see.
Stephanie (05:11)
It's a whole thing if I have to wash my hair. It's like an evening for me. So the bathrooms have not managed to have all of the backboard installed, although I did try my very best to get it done because the flooring starts on the first floor on Monday, which means we cannot be in the house for the entire week while they are gluing and installing the hardwoods. So it was sort of like a race to get this done.
Molly Galler (05:26)
And one of the things that we cannot do in our community is to go down to the
So, I'm sorry, one minute is up, and then we have a lot of time for all of you to work. Okay, I wanna say though, we mentioned this last week, and for those who are following us on Instagram, hopefully you saw some of Steph's amazing video content that she does while she's at the house. But this week, you started doing these epic voiceovers.
Kaitlin (05:37)
So, he was really like the bridge to get us started. And then, and we were.
Stephanie (05:39)
And then in a week, my father goes on a golf vacation to Florida for a week and I will be all alone manning the ship, so.
Kaitlin (05:45)
Thank you.
Okay.
Stephanie (05:55)
you
Molly Galler (05:58)
of the videos that I am obsessed with and now I just want you to do it every single time and I know it's more work and the timing is really intricate and hard but they're freaking amazing.
Stephanie (05:59)
Thank you.
I think because I get so many like one -off questions from people that I realize I'm not like explaining things as I go. And while I would prefer to just stick a song over a time lapse video, I think it makes more sense going forward for me to be able to explain things to people.
Kaitlin (06:19)
And it should be on TikTok. Yep. No, that's, I can tell you the hashtags. It should be, you will get so many hits, DIY, house building. I'm not going to name all of them, but I know what they should be. And it would be hits galore.
Stephanie (06:30)
I'm not.
I don't have the mental fortitude strength time to also handle a TikTok.
Molly Galler (06:45)
strength and time to all.
Okay.
Stephanie (06:53)
And then I have yeah, anywho, that's me.
Kaitlin (06:54)
Okay, but when the house goes up for sale and you're like procrastinating on editing your book, that could be a nice little...
Molly Galler (07:03)
Since we last saw each other, I went to Miami and came back. I went for four days to visit my family. My sister and brother -in -law are planning on moving out of Florida and they took a little trip to investigate their potential new area. So I flew down to help with the kids. I hit the jackpot on the weather, full sun, 75, 80 degrees every single day.
Kaitlin (07:25)
I had a jackpot, and I heard the whole side of the 75, 80, 30, 70 day. When he said that, he was a freaking artist. And he was a lot of this stuff, very little. And I said, I'm not gonna lie. It was a great time. And it's so fun to be with that, because I get to know it so much. There's a whole lot of We're really in the making of the night, which is very nice. And I had been there since the beginning. And I had to do this.
Stephanie (07:29)
My niece and I were like, we're gonna have a race. And even though I was very young, and I was like, okay, it was a great time. And it's so fun to be with them, because I've been with them so much, there's no way we're gonna be
Molly Galler (07:29)
My niece and nephew are freaking hilarious. And even though I slept very little and I slept on a couch, it was a great time. And it's so fun to be with them. And because I FaceTime with them so much, there's no like reacquainting of who I am, which is very nice. Um, and I hadn't been there since Thanksgiving when I had to leave like in a rush because Scout, my dog was sick. So it was nice to have just like a chill time. And as I always do.
Stephanie (07:46)
Go ahead.
So it's nice to actually chill and be able to say, please do that on every one of your presentations, which might be a bit of head -to assignment. I told myself, I'm not going to I thought that was a little too thought was going to do that a little bit more. You know, I'm not going Just make it a little more. Sniffing them.
Molly Galler (07:55)
on every trip I went to Books and Books, which is my favorite independent bookstore in Miami. I told myself I wasn't going to buy anything. I bought several things and also...
Kaitlin (07:57)
Why even walk in the door if you're like that's just a tease.
Molly Galler (08:09)
Just like the browsing, like being near the books. I don't know. Yeah, kind of. Yeah, it's like how I feel about Diet Coke now. Like I can't drink it, but I can be near it. But I have to say, my mom was with me and we went into the kids section first. My cousin Tamar has a new baby and my mom wanted to buy some books to help build the baby's kind of first library. So I was helping with that. And then I found a children's book called Fearless, all about Taylor Swift.
Stephanie (08:20)
Bye.
Thank you.
Kaitlin (08:33)
Thank you.
Stephanie (08:35)
fearless.
Molly Galler (08:38)
I took a picture of it immediately and I was like, Caitlin needs to see this. I'm sure that there are other children's books about Taylor Swift that just happened to be the first one that I've ever seen. So I felt like I was having a celebrity sighting out in the wild.
Stephanie (08:42)
I've definitely never seen a children's book about Taylor Swift. Oh.
Molly Galler (08:54)
No surprise, okay.
Kaitlin (09:00)
What are those books called from when we were kids? A little golden charm book, a golden... with the gold spines. They made like a spoof of one of those and it's about Taylor Swift. A little golden book, is that what they're called? I'm gonna look it up. Sorry for the tapping.
Molly Galler (09:03)
Oh yeah, those ones are the gold spines.
Stephanie (09:06)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (09:12)
What a good question. No, that's okay. Type away. So anyway, big shout out to Books and Books, who is not only an amazing bookstore in Miami, but hosts this incredible book fair every year. We mentioned that book fair when we talked about the romance authors event. Beverly Jenkins, the queen of sass was talking about being at that event and all of the.
Stephanie (09:29)
And Beverly Jenkins, the queen of science, was talking about being at an event and all of the authors that she met, including one that sort of scoffed at her being in the developments channel. And she simply said, I have 60 books published. How are they? So anyway, folks, the links are available on your way to some form of other multiple divisions of entertainment. So even if you don't have time to go to the store and get your job done.
Molly Galler (09:36)
authors that she met, including one that sort of scoffed at her being in the romance genre. And she simply said, I have 60 books published. How about you? So anyway, Books and Books is incredible. And if you find your way to South Florida, they have multiple locations and they're in the airport. So even if you don't have time to go to the store, you can shop in the airport.
Kaitlin (09:44)
It's very good. So Little Golden Books, they have an entire famous faces series that they've done to resurrect the childhood gem that it is. Taylor, Beatles, Bee Gees.
Stephanie (09:55)
That is a brilliant marketing idea. I love that.
Molly Galler (09:58)
So, a little bit of a twist. They have a child based series they've been trying to resurrect. The child has had Taylor, Beatles, Bee Gees, Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Oprah, Betty -
Kaitlin (10:13)
Beyonce, Bruce Springsteen, Oprah, Betty White, Dolly Parton, Harry Belafonte, Frida Kahlo and on and on and on. So they're back in biz. Little golden books have made a comeback.
Molly Galler (10:17)
Here is our content, free of collie, and on and off and on. So there are lots of bits. We'll talk about some of these when come back.
Stephanie (10:25)
I feel like I need to make a new cubby in my bookshelf for kids books like that.
Molly Galler (10:30)
There's also that series called Who Is? It's like, who is Albert Einstein? Who is Michael Jordan? While I was at Books & Books, I saw the one that's called Who Is Aretha Franklin? And it took an incredible amount of restraint not to purchase it.
Stephanie (10:37)
Thanks for watching!
So many things about the kid. My student's after the character project on Courageous America. And I have this kid. I have this kid who I have been working on since the podcast. His name is Alessandro. And he is the blue eye on Harry's College.
Kaitlin (10:47)
So many moons ago, my students had to do a character project on a courageous character. And I had this kid... I will never forget this. I had this kid who I hope that one day he finds this podcast. His name is Alessandro and he is like blue -eyed, blonde hair. He's probably 20 by now. And he came up to me and he was like, there's somebody on the courageous characters list that I would like to do.
Molly Galler (11:01)
is Alessandra and he is...
Stephanie (11:07)
And he came up to me and he was like, come on, there's somebody courageous and fearless that I would need to do. There's something that isn't normal, I would do it. He said if you had it, I don't think you could pinch it to you. And I said, absolutely. Because a recent prank could be dead by now. Like, 100 % yes. I don't know why she's courageous yet, but I don't know if it is. I'm like, I'm from it. He did what I said. And then he ran back to his desk and was like, she said I could do it.
Molly Galler (11:07)
And he came up to me and he was like, oh, there's somebody named Ray here that's a side of me to you. All right, I was telling him that he's a side of me to you. He said, if you had a friend that you could entertain, I said, absolutely. He goes over to the right one to tell him. And I was like, oh, you're trying to guess? I don't think I can berate this guy. I'm just a kid. And he's he did like this. He's me and said he ran out. He was like, oh, he's actually a young Ray.
Kaitlin (11:17)
or there's somebody that isn't on the list that I would like to do. And you said if we had a good one, we could pitch it to you. And I said, absolutely. And he goes, Aretha Franklin, deadpan. And I was like, 100 % yes. I don't know why she's courageous yet, but I'm guessing she is. And like run with it. And he's like, he did like a fist pump and then he ran back to his desk group and was like, she said I could do Aretha. It like, it was hilarious.
Stephanie (11:37)
I'm sorry.
Molly Galler (11:37)
That's incredible.
Stephanie (11:42)
That means that I'm not going to be able focus on the course. And to do it better is not. But I think you are happy to start and finish. So I would be better. So I would be using it for like five minutes.
Kaitlin (11:45)
That being said, I wouldn't let them use those books as a source. They had to do like better research than that. But I was like, if you want that as a starting point, it's probably better than Wikipedia. So I let them use it for like biographical information only.
Molly Galler (11:56)
That's absolutely amazing. Yeah, it was very fun. I feel like if I am in a kid's section of a bookstore, I usually am going for a specific thing. Like I know I'm getting something for someone's baby shower or first birthday or whatever, but it was cool in this moment with my mom to just be like, okay, if we had like a totally blank slate, what would we add? And then I started noticing all of this other like celeb stuff, which is very fun. So I know we are three of us in bookstores all the time, but that was like an especially good, almost like mental refresh of looking at stuff I hadn't noticed before.
Stephanie (11:57)
Yeah, it was very fun. I feel like I'm in a place, a section of it is where it usually is more interesting than it is.
They were just so cool in this moment. I was just like, okay, if they had two movies, they would add. And then I noticed that all of a sudden they're like celebs, which is very funny. So I know three of us have come to our senses all the time. I was like, especially because I was like, I'm told we've ratcheted with one certain thing, and that was really funny. And how did they, like, where did they go? Germany? Germany?
Molly Galler (12:28)
And how did you know? Durham, North Carolina. Did they love it? They loved it. Oh, sweet. Yeah, so my brother -in -law, James, he's probably not going to listen to this, but that's his name. James went to Duke and loved Durham then. And Emma used to visit him there quite often. She went to school in Savannah, so not too far a drive. And I don't think they had been back since he graduated, to be honest with you.
Kaitlin (12:31)
And how did the, did they like the, where did they go? Durham? Did they like it? Oh, sweet.
Stephanie (12:35)
Did they like it? They loved it.
Kaitlin (12:43)
is from the University of Wisconsin. James was a Duke and a law tutor at Penn and I'm a student at the University of Wisconsin. I also like to work our guys. And I don't think they have a good accent to graduate from GMC. So they stayed at the University of Wisconsin close to campus and they did.
Molly Galler (12:56)
So they stayed in a neighborhood kind of close to the campus and they did everything one could do in three days. They went out to breakfast, they went to a farmer's market, they went to an art museum, they met up with friends for dinner. They just really loved it and they were very pleasantly surprised how comfortable they felt there. And I think it's still in the South. And part of the reason that they're moving out of Florida is because the political environment is so awful. And they were looking for somewhere a little bit.
Stephanie (13:00)
They did everything. They went out to breakfast, they went to a party, they went to a party, they met up with friends with that. They just really loved it and it was very pleasant to see how much they felt there and it's still in the South. And probably the reason why they're in the other corner is because the political environment is so awful. And they were looking for somewhere that was calm.
Kaitlin (13:03)
everything one could do in three days. I went out to breakfast, I went to a partner's, I went to a art museum, I met up with friends who were there. They just really loved it and they were very pleasant. It was a nice job. I'm sure they felt there and it still opens up and there's a reason that they're keeping out of work is because the beautiful environment is so awful.
Molly Galler (13:24)
calmer and they weren't quite sure how it was going to feel while they were there, but they were really pleasantly surprised. So now they're like actively looking for a rental apartment and they're going to like move forward.
Stephanie (13:24)
and weren't really sure how to start from there. We have the puzzles about it. So now they're like actually working.
Kaitlin (13:25)
Wow. Well, I guess that that's great for them and a win for you because it's closer to here. But maybe your parents maybe will be a little sad or follow them or.
Stephanie (13:37)
Wow. Well, I guess that's great for that. Yeah, and we'll be able to do things closer to here. But maybe parents, maybe a full -time mental staff.
or something that was there, something that was in the woods, or something else. I will say I lived at flights from Boston to California. And the cost, as compared to Boston, I am, is like, it's a whole different, it's a flight's $29 an hour, so I'm like six months out of here. And these flights, I tested them knowing that my date's on the most expensive combo, I got to was $250.
Molly Galler (13:51)
I will say I looked at flights from Boston to Raleigh -Durham and the cost as compared to Boston, Miami is like, it's a whole different world. The flights to Miami are exorbitant like six months out of the year. And these flights, I tested a million different dates and like the most expensive combo I got to was $250.
Kaitlin (13:53)
rent something that's there so that they can go there whenever they want.
That's yeah, that's really great. That'll be that'll be really nice.
Stephanie (14:14)
Bananas.
Molly Galler (14:19)
And in a surprise to no one, I have begun following restaurants in Durham on Instagram. I've never been there before, but when I get there, I will only be eating at excellent places.
Stephanie (14:29)
She comes to prepare people. If anyone ever needs a restaurant recommendation, Molly is a great person to... Like we don't need to care, message us, it plans or book, it doesn't matter, just be like, I'm looking for a restaurant, Molly. And what her food dictionaries are in such and such a city and she will hook you. I mean, Vegas, Patel will leave to DC, whatever you need. Molly's previous blog, like...
Kaitlin (14:32)
She comes to prepare people. If anybody ever needs a restaurant recommendation, Molly is a great person to, like, we don't even care. Messages that plans are booked. It doesn't matter. Just be like, I'm looking for restaurant Molly and what her food itineraries are in such and such a city. And she will hook you. I mean, Vegas to Tel Aviv to DC, whatever you need. Molly's previous blog life.
Molly Galler (14:56)
She documented all of her spiritual reasons and all of the great spiritual reasons. And she also mentioned that she had three last moments where she was like, when I told her what I'd placed and I think that happened.
Stephanie (14:58)
She documented a lot of foodie locations and I rely on it on a pretty high -level basis. And even my friends who don't know mom, they're like, could you ask Molly where I should eat when I go to whatever place and I make that happen. I'm not gonna lie, I have fantasized about one day maybe being like a hotel concierge. Especially if you're in Boston, I think it would be super -pervading, helping people figure out where to eat, what tracks to go, where there's not to pay for, not to pay for, and like...
Kaitlin (15:01)
She documented a lot of foodie locations and I rely on it on a pretty regular basis. And even my friends who don't know Molly are like, could you ask Molly where I should eat when I go to whatever place and I make that happen.
Molly Galler (15:14)
I am not going to lie that I have fantasized about one day maybe being like a hotel concierge and like especially here in Boston I think I would be like super at it helping people figure out where to eat what attractions are worth it what to pay for what not to pay for like I've just kind of tested it all especially here.
Kaitlin (15:23)
I think that that could be like a really fun like retirement thing for you to do like two days a week Molly just goes in and there's like this boss concierge that'd be pretty cool.
Stephanie (15:28)
I think that could be a really fun retirement thing for you to do. Totally. Like two days a week Molly just goes in and there's like this boss coming in. That'd be pretty cool. I always picture myself at the Seaport Motel, but if there are other hotels that would like my expertise, this is a great show. Well, that brings us to...
Molly Galler (15:33)
Totally. I always pictured myself like at the Seaport Hotel, but if there are other hotels that would like my expertise, just give a shout.
Kaitlin (15:54)
Well, that brings us to our topic today, which is a topic instead of a particular book. It's Angeline Buhle. Yeah, it's Angeline Buhle. We love her. I'm going to let Steph intro this because she's via her mom brought this lovely author and lady into our lives.
Stephanie (15:55)
I'd say it's an author.
step into this because she's, her mom brought this lovely author into our lives. Yeah, when we were getting ready to sit down here today, we were sort of scrambling trying to figure out who owns the copy. And it turns out the Angeline's first book, Fire Keeper's Daughter was actually my mother's copy that got passed around to everybody back in 2021.
Molly Galler (16:06)
Stephanie drove us because she's the vehicle that brought this lovely author into our lives. You know, we've been getting ready to sit down here today. We were so excited to hear about the book. We talked about the Angelina's first book, or her daughter's book, which she wrote on this copy that came out this year after the study. It was published in 2021. The published story of a politician.
Kaitlin (16:18)
Getting ready to sit down here today. We were first bringing in trying to figure out who owns the coffee and it turned out the Angelina's first book, Fire Keeper's Daughter, was actually my mother's coffee. That cop passed around to everybody. Back in...
Stephanie (16:33)
a little backstory about the publication of that book. It was a bidding war with 12 different publishing houses and she got a seven figure deal. And on top of that, the Obamas won the option to make it into, I believe, a TV series, although I was looking today and I can't find anything updated. It said it was gonna come out in 2023.
Molly Galler (16:36)
It was a video work with 12 of our publishing houses and she got a seven figure deal. And on top of that, the Obamas want the option to make a bunch of other TV series, although it's pretty today, we're not going find anything updated. They said it was five months, five years, three, for now, it's four. So I'm going to stop.
Kaitlin (16:37)
It was written by the 12th National College of Health and Social Services, and then figured out the deal.
The Obamas won the option to do the second TV series of the night. And I'm so excited. I said it was going to be a great round of work. So I'm really excited this fall. I remember the voters coming to me and saying that it could be a good thing. I've seen the issue and I'm so excited to see this. And now, to the next thing.
Stephanie (16:59)
We're now in 2024. So I'm not sure if it's stalled or what that probably could be. I hope that's the only issue and that it's still going to move forward because I have been so excited to see this. And now she has a second book out, which we all just recently read called Warrior Girl Unearthed. I was reading up on the first book.
Molly Galler (17:01)
I wonder if the writer's strike maybe delayed them.
the first book. Did not know that. Yeah. So.
Stephanie (17:27)
It came to Angeline when she was 18 and was dating an undercover cop. Yeah. So the premise of Fire Keepers Daughter, which is the first book, the characters do somewhat carry over into the second book, is about, is she 19 in that book? Donnis is, she is half white, half native, and it takes place up in Michigan in the Sault Ste. Marie area.
Kaitlin (17:28)
The first 15, 16, and 17.
Stephanie (17:56)
and she comes from a hockey family, but she's sort of straddling the line of not quite fitting into the white realm and not quite fitting fully into the native realm and kind of trying to find her place. And in the midst of it, there is, is it her best friend that ends up killed? And there's sort of like a discovery of underground drug.
dealing and I also read that Angeline somehow made it into a state cop training on how to make meth. This was her research for the project.
Kaitlin (18:28)
So this area of Michigan apparently has like a huge meth issue and she deals with it in terms of like the lens of young adults and teenagers and how it affects that population and like who sells it and how you get it and
Stephanie (18:55)
There's just kind of this, they're in the woods and this is how they like to party and this is kind of like you can come across it pretty easily. And there's a lot of like this is how to avoid it but also.
Kaitlin (18:58)
Um, there's just kind of this, they're in the woods and this is how they like to party. And this is kind of like, you can come across it pretty easily. Um, and there's a lot of like, this is how to avoid it, but also it's a little bit unavoidable. Um, and I think one of the other things that needs to be said about Angeline is that she was part of Obama's administration. So she was the director of.
Stephanie (19:12)
It's a little bit unrelatable. And I think one of the other things that needs to be said about Angelique is that she was part of Obama's administration, so she was the director of, hold on, I want to I think it's Indian education within the department. Director of the Office of Indian Education at the US Department of Ed. So she was very involved with education and then.
Molly Galler (19:15)
And I think one of the other things that we said about the community is that she was part of the public science community. She was the director of the Office of the Indian Education at the U .S. Department of Ed. So she was very involved in education at the Ed. I think she is a great leader. This is what she was.
Kaitlin (19:28)
Hold on, I want to get this right. Hold on. It's Director of the Office of Indian Education at the US Department of Ed. So she was very involved with education. And then I think she was already in her 50s when this first book came out. This is her first book.
Stephanie (19:40)
It took her 10 years to write apparently, but she conceived of the idea when she was 18 and I think it just sort of like nested in her brain until she fully worked it out. I forgot to say right off the bat that these are technically both considered YA books. I know we mentioned before that neither of them reads like a YA novel.
Molly Galler (19:44)
It's kind of right, but she's gonna see it at the end when she was eight. And then I think she'll just sort of like nested in her brain until she slowly worked it out. I forgot to say right off the bat that these are technically both considered Hawaii books. I know we mentioned before that my family was like, oh, I'm gonna go home. The first book I read was Donna's. Donna's, I think, was really cool. It really cool. She was brilliant, and she was really good at the game, so she was really happy.
Stephanie (20:05)
to honor Donna's, I think, one of the important things for me was that she's really having an issue with identity. So she's really having a struggle with like, am I more Hawaiian? Am I more indigenous? Where am I accepted more? Where do I feel more connected? And that kind of runs throughout the whole book. And part of her identity is like, well, you're Firekeeper's daughter. Like...
Kaitlin (20:05)
Um, the first book, Firekeeper's Daughter, um, Donnis, I think one of the appealing things for me was that she's really having an issue with identity. So she's really having a struggle with like, am I more white? Am I more indigenous? Where am I accepted more? Where do I feel more connected? Um, and that kind of runs throughout the whole book and part of her identity is like, well, you're Firekeeper's Daughter, like...
Molly Galler (20:13)
A struggle in life is like a kind of a digitized where you're more active. It comes once you're out of your comfort zone. Part of it is slightly quiet and persona. This is who you are. Don't you feel that? You don't feel honored. I can tell you. You know, she's like, how? What am feeling?
Stephanie (20:27)
This is who you are. Don't you feel that? And don't you honor it? And don't you? And she's like, how? When do I feel it? When does it happen?
Kaitlin (20:30)
this is who you are, like, don't you feel that and don't you honor it and don't you, you know, and she's like, how, when do I feel it? When does it happen? Like, and so she's kind of, it's not until she faces some obstacles that she really like fully understands like, okay, this is where I come from, this is what I stand for, this is who I care about. So I think that that's really interesting. And I also feel like,
Stephanie (20:37)
And so she's kind of, it's not until she faces some obstacles that she really fully understands, like okay, this is where I come from, this is what I stand for, this is who I care about. So I think that's really interesting. And I also feel like it was becoming popular right around when Reservation Dogs, the TV show, came out. And so there's just this whole push of more indigenous people to read books and media.
Molly Galler (20:37)
And so she's really, it's not an easy phase of obstacles. She literally completely understands, like, okay, this is where I come from, this is what I stand for, this is who I hear about.
So I'm not really interested in the idea of it because it was becoming popular in the United States, and it's pretty and you can show it now. So this whole push point, more business people, to create a little sin via a political party, and having to create a party that needs people and has to vote in the interest of all of us.
Kaitlin (20:57)
It was becoming popular right around when Reservation Dogs, the TV show came out. And so there was just this whole push of like more indigenous people in TV and books and media and doing it right and having it be created by indigenous people and acted out by indigenous people. And I think that that was just like some really interesting timing. And also her first book won the Prince, which is basically the Newberry Award for Young Adult Lit.
Stephanie (21:06)
doing it right and having creative ideas about people and I think that was one of most interesting things I made and also her first book on the prince which is basically the American one and it also was one the most interesting writers in the world.
Molly Galler (21:13)
I think that was just like some really interesting. I think you could also look at her first book, One Prince, which is basically the very first book I ever bought. It also got a lot of attention and an eye -opener. She won a book. I read some words for it. It was increases YA, both of them. This book was kind of a hit on me. And I don't know if anybody's ever actually recommended it to me. I just liked it. I loved it.
Stephanie (21:25)
She won a bunch of good reads for it. I think it was in the 6YA book club. This book made a lot of money. And I don't know what she's to do with it. I don't know if she's be able a baby that's not like this. We made money. But you and I were at a time when brothers are number one. That's not how it's to be. There's a lot of people that are like that. A lot of those people.
Kaitlin (21:25)
It also won the Walter Dean Myers award. She won a bunch of Goodreads awards for it. I think it was in Reese's YA book club. Like this book made the rounds. And, um, I don't know anybody that I've like recommended it to that has not liked it. My mom read it. We made Molly read it. Like you and I read it. Um, I had my brother read it. Uh, our number one fan Tessa, I had her read it. Like,
Molly Galler (21:41)
We made one of those. And I was like, I'm going to go ahead have my brother do it. Our number one success.
Kaitlin (21:53)
A lot of people have read it and a lot of those people are people that don't typically read YA, which I think is really interesting.
Molly Galler (21:53)
a lot of those people don't talk to completely YA, which I think is really interesting. I also think that it's great that it's YA too. I love you so much in this box, and it doesn't feel like a loving experience. It's like a very beautiful experience.
Stephanie (21:55)
I also think that it's great that it's YA because you're learning. I learned so much from these books and it doesn't feel like a learning experience. It's like very beautifully woven within.
Kaitlin (22:13)
Yes. Well, and I think that that goes along with the aspect of her identity because the reader learns a lot as she's learning a lot because she's trying to decide if she's like wanting to actually be like a member of an official member of her tribe.
Molly Galler (22:14)
So we were like a lot edgier than a lot because she was trying to decide if she wanted to actually do like a med -level decision over her problem.
Stephanie (22:19)
Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (22:28)
I will just say that this isn't a book I would have ever picked myself. It has a very actually eye catching cover, I think. But I don't think I would have grabbed it on that alone either because it would have been in the YA section where I actually saw it in a bookstore today in the YA section.
Stephanie (22:32)
Oh, it's striking.
right.
Molly Galler (22:50)
And also she was an unknown author to me. Like there were just a lot of reasons that I wouldn't have gravitated towards it. And both of you loved it so much and I fully trust your recommendations. And I found myself being like, I'm so glad that I did do this because I learned a ton. And also I felt like it was, um, like a topic that I would never have otherwise pushed into, if that makes sense. Like not just that part of the country or.
Stephanie (22:57)
it so much and I just requested recommendations and I found myself being like, I'm so glad that I did this because I learned a topic that was like a topic that I would never have done if I was pushed into it. Not just that part of the country, but the hockey part was pretty important for the identity of such a strong country.
Molly Galler (23:20)
the hockey part, this is pretty baritone people, or the identity piece was just so different than anything else that I would normally read. And I was really grateful for it. I felt like it shoved me into like another kind of education and learning and just made me think about things that I otherwise wouldn't have been able to think about. And in both of the books, she oftentimes will write in the native language. And I've talked about this, I think on the podcast before that.
Stephanie (23:26)
I was kind of a great name, but I felt like it choked me until I could never remember the education, the learning, the speaking, the focus, I felt like this wouldn't help people to think about. And both of us, she often times would write in native language, and I've talked about this a few times before, but some of my friends also mentioned that she writes a lot of this content in Spanish. And...
Molly Galler (23:48)
Some of my favorite books are written by Junot Diaz who writes a lot of his content in Spanish. And I find that so meaningful because it's like his native brain and he's sharing things as the way that it feels most real and true to him. And even though I don't intrinsically understand a lot of the things that she shares and she does put definitions of certain things. I was so glad that she pushed forward and did that. Even if 99 % of the people that read it do not understand upon first reading it, like it's real to her.
Stephanie (23:55)
I find that the book is able to correct me and she can make me go back to the most real and correct me. I don't intrinsically understand a lot of the things that she shares and she has her own conditions and certain things. I was so excited that she hardly would put into that. I mean, I read it because I'm not understanding why she's reading it, like it's real to her. And I thought that was a little especially. I feel like we should say that the second book,
Molly Galler (24:17)
And I thought that was so special.
Stephanie (24:23)
Donis is in it, but she's no longer a main character. It's a couple years later and it's her nieces who are the main characters.
Oh. Warrior Girl Unearthed. Her nieces are twins. They are Perry and... Thank you. Perry is the protagonist and there is a summer program where you have to work within... Oh my God, I can't even think. Yes.
Kaitlin (24:38)
tell the people what it's called.
Molly Galler (24:38)
for you.
Pauline.
It's like the tribal council kind of the tribal association.
Kaitlin (25:00)
It's like you try to, you give time to your community, essentially.
Stephanie (25:03)
Yes. And you get, um, I think they got to pick, but she waited too long, hoping that she wouldn't have to do it and got kind of dumped with this oddball slash amazing museum director type character, um, who is like the best sidekick, sort of like a fatherly figure, quirky. He was, he was absolutely the right character for this, um, to sort of steer her through her.
deciding to learn about her own background and people. And I have listened to a lot of podcasts that deal with MMIWG2S, which if you don't know what that stands for, it is, oh God. Thank you. Women, Girls, and Two -Spirit. I've been waiting for HBO or Netflix to come out with like a docu -series where they actually go into cases of missing people. And I don't know why.
Molly Galler (25:43)
to ask for a few more questions before I leave this room. I've been looking for HBO to release a new series on the cat, they go into pieces and missing people and I just want to know why they haven't. It's imperative. So if you're all feeling bad, I'm not going to go into too much detail, so just with that, I'll just work on the topic.
Kaitlin (25:46)
Missing and murdered indigenous women.
Stephanie (26:02)
They haven't, it makes me furious. But this one also deals with that. Another book that I recently read that also deals with that just while we're on the topic is Blood Sisters by Vanessa Lilly. So if you're into that topic and just sort of interested in more books that have native words and sentences woven throughout, definitely pick those up. I wanted to read the...
there's like a division of groups of chapters within this second book that they just struck me sort of like lightning to the point where I realized that I am completely ignorant of artifacts. I don't know why, but when I go to museums and look at artifacts, I'm not thinking about the story of the people who lived with those items, like in this specific.
Molly Galler (26:41)
To the point where I would like to completely correct our thoughts. I really want to go into our thoughts and not think about the story of the people who lived those items. Like in this specific sort of scenario, I want us to end this or at least ask it to the end. I want to think about who made them, who wore them.
Kaitlin (26:49)
I didn't know why when I wrote these texts, I was like, come on, I'm gonna write about the story of the people who lived those times. Like, in this specific sort of scenario, I'm not listening for, I'm really asking, I don't care about who made that, who wrote that.
Stephanie (27:00)
sort of scenario moccasins or woven baskets. Like I don't think about who made them, who wore them, who lived day to day with them. I think of them as just sort of like objects that sort of exist in a glass case in a museum. And so this book just made me feel so stupid for not actually thinking about those stories and how many items have been stolen or
Molly Galler (27:09)
And so this book just made me feel so stupid for not actually thinking about those stories and how many ideas of installment or dub up.
Kaitlin (27:12)
I don't live to be a joker, so I think that that's just one of the objects that exist in a glass case of a museum. And so this book just made me feel so stupid for not actually thinking about those stories and how many others have been stolen or dug up.
Stephanie (27:31)
dug up or even bodies that have been dug up from their graves. And so there was this one section, I actually posted it on Instagram when I was reading it. This is at the sort of the beginning of the book and it says, this is not fiction at this point. These are quotes that are meant to sort of, I think they're meant to jar you, you know?
Molly Galler (27:33)
or even boggies that had been dug up from their graves. And so here was this one section, I'm actually posting up this for anyone who's reading. This is at the end of the book, and it says, this is not fiction. These are quotes that sort of, these are not the jargon. And this all has to do with areas in which we don't exist, or the museum guide.
Kaitlin (27:35)
or even bodies that had been dug and upgraded. And so there was one section that actually posted a poster when I was reading it. This is sort of the beginning of what kind of size, this is not fiction at this point. These were quotes that are in two quarters. I think that that's a bit of a... And this all has to do with Perry's internship that she does with this quirky museum guy who is...
Stephanie (27:57)
Yes.
I think it is very intriguing to make sure that things go back to the way they used to be, including the title of the Victoria's Garden. There is a warrior in the world, she is able to get back to the proper place she belongs. As we know, indigenous burial grounds are in various different places and a lot of people have not enough in fact that they shouldn't. And honor...
Kaitlin (28:05)
very into repatriation and making sure that things go back to where they're supposed to be, including the title of the book, which is Warrior Girl Unearthed. There is a warrior girl that she is aiming to get back to her proper resting place because as we all know, indigenous burial grounds are like very sacred places and a lot of people have not ended up being back where they should be.
Stephanie (28:29)
Okay, so this one says you have significantly more deceased Native people in boxes on your campus than the number of live Native students that you allow to attend your institution. This is from Shannon O 'Loughlin, chief executive of the Association on American Indian Affairs in a letter to Lawrence S. Bacow.
Kaitlin (28:31)
and honored and having like the safe space and like the ceremony that should happen for their souls to be able to rest.
Stephanie (28:59)
president of Harvard University, February 18, 2021. That's the part that upset me the most is like, this is present day. This isn't like 100 years ago.
Kaitlin (29:02)
No, and I knew shockingly little about the laws around it and like the restorative practices that are like trying to happen and the arguments and fights that people are having all the time.
Stephanie (29:17)
Mm -hmm.
Kaitlin (29:31)
Um, and I sort of knew a little bit about it, but in terms of the legality of it, I didn't realize that it had been way more outlined and like it should be an easier process for a lot of these people to get back what rightfully belongs to them. So each of those chapters that has snippets of like, you know, either legal documentation or letters or, you know,
Stephanie (29:38)
It has been way more forward and like it took an easier process for a lot of these people to get back to what briefly belongs to them. So each of those chapters has snippets like, you know, either full application or letters or, you know, the people in public spaces making these declarations of like here are the facts and like we still don't have what we should have was really, I thought, compelling and also...
Kaitlin (29:59)
people in big public spaces making these declarations of like here are the facts and like we still don't have what we should have was really I thought compelling and also I really want a lot more young people to read this because they They have a lot of power and a lot of followers and a lot of what not what have you on social media and I feel like
Stephanie (30:16)
And cause a conversation for the classroom and I feel like the second book would probably be a quote -unquote safer
Kaitlin (30:27)
those pages are jaw dropping enough that like they would pull a 16 year old out of their chair, right?
Stephanie (30:38)
book to discuss in school because it's not talking about drugs like the first one is. So hopefully there's teachers out there listening to this that think about, you know, if you're teaching high school, picking that book as your summer reading or something because it would start so many important conversations.
Molly Galler (30:51)
I also think the way that she chose to write the second one where Perry herself who is inside the tribe and is part of all these rituals and wants to honor her ancestors she herself didn't know many things about how this went down and what the laws are now in the US so I think as the reader you get sort of like
Stephanie (31:05)
she herself didn't know many things about how.
So I think as a leader, you get sort of into it. You're going along with her. So even if you have that, like, you can't believe it, you know, because it's like, she also didn't know it. And she's inside that culture, herself, which I think is for people who are totally new, to also think like, okay, I'm learning a lot more. I it makes you feel almost like you've invited into this world. And I know why, too, it's not part of the shame around it, but it's not part of the tenancy.
Molly Galler (31:16)
You're going along with her. So even if you have that feeling of like, I can't believe I didn't know this or like, she also didn't know it. And she's inside that culture herself, which I think makes space for people who are totally new to also be like, okay, like I'm learning along with her. And I think it makes you feel almost like more invited into the story. And though I too felt a lot of shame around not knowing how intense and like how far scaling this situation is.
I think the way she's written it, it allows you to really hear all of those things that are very true without getting so disturbed that you stop reading. Like you're definitely shaken, but you want to keep going because you want to understand how she's going to reconcile this with inside of herself and what kind of role is she going to take going forward. And there's a moment where she kind of has an opportunity to like,
accelerate through the end of her time in high school and she's thinking about will she do that? Will she not? What kind of professional career will she pursue? And she really wants to try to make things right for her own community. And I think it ends on a note where you as the reader have this sort of opening to be like, if there's anything I can do to get smarter about this or tell more people about this, I should do that so that more people fully understand what the situation is.
Kaitlin (32:43)
I also think that even though this isn't technically a series, I would recommend reading Firekeeper's Daughter first, which is the chronological order that the books came out, because Angeline Booly spends so much time with the setting in the first book, and you really learn what it's like to live in an indigenous area of the northern United States. And...
I don't know a ton about Michigan, but the book takes place right on the Canadian border. It's very much like, this is how we get through the winter. Hunting is still part of our everyday lives. Hockey is really big there because they have ponds. They don't have to wait for a rink time. There's just a lot of niche things that I feel like you learn that in the second book, it's almost assumed that you know a little bit about it and you know a little bit geographically about...
Stephanie (33:38)
What was so interesting to me is that you have to take a ferry to get from the island to like everything else like I can't even imagine one the cost
Kaitlin (33:41)
place. And so I would read them in order just so that you can fully grasp the gravity of like what is happening 10 years because the books are 10 years apart. So what's happening 10 years later in the same place?
Stephanie (34:04)
to the time you have to make sure you're there for the time the ferry's gonna be picking you up. And if you miss it, then well, guess you missed whatever you needed to get to on the other side. Just how inaccessible we have made transportation and movement for native people was sort of staggering to me.
Molly Galler (34:28)
And what's interesting is they do like a safe passage ritual every single time they come or go, which I thought considering it's like a barrier between them and the rest of their broader community, they still view it as a gift, like to travel safely back and forth, even though it's this thing that isolates them and makes them less capable of access to food, access to health care, all of those things. I did want to read one thing that I discovered at the very end of the book in the author's note.
which I thought was kind of interesting. She wrote, the story behind Warrior Girl Unearthed began in 2018 on Twitter. Someone tweeted an idea for a Lara Croft movie, quote, but she's native and returning artifacts that museums stole, end quote. It was a great movie idea, but that's all it was to me. My focus was on completing Firekeeper's Daughter and getting a literary agent for the indigenous Nancy Drew story that had been in my mind since I was 18 years old. Flash forward a year, I now had an agent and spent the summer of 2019 revising Firekeeper's Daughter.
Our plan was to submit the manuscript to editors that fall after 36 years of working on the story of my heart, I could tell there was a light at the end of the tunnel. But what next? Writing a sequel with Donnis's next adventure felt more exhausting than exciting. Perhaps all I had in me was this one story. I could be satisfied with that. Then one Sunday while on a long walk, a voice popped into my head. I stole everything they think I did, even some of the stuff they don't know about yet. I stopped in my tracks. Who was this defiant girl and what else was she going to reveal?
I ran into the nearest business and hardly asked for a pen, paper, and a chardonnay. For the next few hours, I wrote the inner monologue of a teen girl sitting in a police station waiting for her parents and wondering how she got herself into this mess.
Kaitlin (36:01)
I want
Stephanie (36:03)
Wait, can you say the number of years again? To any writer out there, that is a reminder to keep on writing and keep on trying until it gets made.
Molly Galler (36:09)
36 years.
Stephanie (36:23)
I am so grateful for the writing for these books and also I want to ask a lot of questions and I want to know how you guys are doing.
Kaitlin (36:27)
I have so many, I have such gratitude for these books, but then also like, I want to ask her 1 million questions and I want to know what it was like being part of the Obama administration. And I want to know how you get into that and like what it was that she was doing during that time. And because I'm like, I'm going to be totally honest. I didn't even know that that was a position within these United States. Like I didn't know that we had somebody doing that work.
Stephanie (36:40)
And so, I just wanted to talk about the son of a business.
Kaitlin (36:58)
And so I just want to talk to her and ask her 100 things. Well, please let us know if you read these books, because we obviously are really passionate about them and we think that you'll like them. And I do think that these books are for men, women, boys, girls, non -binary, like young, old, whatever. I think that if you maybe had like,
Stephanie (37:04)
I'm just curious about these books because we always need to know the question about how to get anything that you like. And I do think that these books are for men with boys, girls, not men with boys, not not men with boys, not not
Kaitlin (37:26)
a kid that was in fourth or fifth grade. I think if you read it to them, they can handle it. I honestly do. I don't think it's anything that they don't hear on the news. And I just feel like it's a part of American history that we don't really know a lot about and that it should be more present. And I think that this is a really good.
kind of segue into learning more about it in like a, not family friendly is the wrong phrase, but like in an approachable way. I mean, a lot of people are like, oh, I don't want to read nonfiction. And this isn't nonfiction, but it's historically accurate fiction. So I would recommend it to basically everyone. Should we talk about what we're reading right now?
Stephanie (37:56)
And they said, oh, gracefully. And the most correct is that I mean, a lot of people want to know about the United States, and this is a contradiction. But it's historically accurate, correct? So I would add that to basically our choice of words.
So at the event a couple weeks ago, someone brought up Ali Hazelwood had a new book out called Bride and I was in Target the other day and they had it 20 % off so I put it in my cart and then I read it in two sittings. I have not read a vampire werewolf book I believe since the Twilight series which was...
Molly Galler (38:27)
Yeah.
the extensive violent series.
Stephanie (38:46)
I don't know. 16 years ago? Is that how long ago Twilight came out?
Molly Galler (38:48)
I used to read those books when I was taking the bus to my advertising agency job, which was 2011 to 2014. So sometime around then.
Stephanie (39:01)
Okay, so this is an adult romance book or adult fantasy. Is this romantasy? Yes, let's say yes. The protagonist, her name is Misery and she is a vampire and humans, vampires, and werewolves all know about each other but they live in very different areas.
Molly Galler (39:09)
I think it's romantic.
Stephanie (39:29)
couldn't quite tell what city this was supposed to take place in. But they have this sort of system where in order to not have any fights break out, higher ranking members of the government have to basically exchange a person from their cabinet or not cabinet, but like, so basically she was sent when she was a child to go live with the humans as like, if anything happens to her, then we get to kill your
exchange, like an exchange student except not a student child. So she's never really had an agency over her life. And she became friends with a human and the human has gone missing. She's a journalist, her best friend is a journalist. And so when a marriage of convenience is proposed between her and the alpha of the were werewolf group, and she finds out his name, which are the initials.
that were left in her missing best friend's notepad. She's like, yes, I will marry him because she wants to figure out where the heck her missing best friend is. So she marries him and has to go live in the werewolf territory. And there's some saucy stuff, which was a little bit weird because she's got pointy ears and he is werewolf. So.
I'm
Molly Galler (40:57)
Katelyn just tried to speak and could not.
Kaitlin (40:59)
I asked Steph.
Stephanie (40:59)
But the banter, wait, time out, the banter was phenomenal.
Kaitlin (41:08)
I mean, you read it in two synnims. I, before the podcast started recording, I said to Steph, am I going to like it? Because sometimes she says like, this one's not for you. Like it's too many fairies or whatever it happens to be. And, um, right. I tried, I tried. I really tried. Cause everybody on the internet just peed their pants about that series. Um, and she said, yes, I think you will. So I am going to give it a whirl.
Stephanie (41:16)
I'm not sure if I'm going to to do
I too, about them, and either or anything about this faculty, the closest I've gotten is working with practice and anything that you have to talk about. But I will not be centering toward either of them because it's also...
Kaitlin (41:37)
I too have not read a vampire or anything of this. I mean, the closest I've gotten is fourth wing with the dragons to anything that even resembles that. But I will segue into what I'm reading because it's also.
Stephanie (41:53)
Can you just tell the people how many pages are in this book?
Kaitlin (41:56)
Bizarre is the word I would use. So I'm reading a book that I found out about on TikTok called The Will of the Many and it's book one of the hierarchy series. It's like 640 around that. On the back, hold on, I just, I wanna get this right because I had never heard this term before. Fans of.
Molly Galler (42:20)
Fans of doorstop epitancy will not be disappointed. So these books, when they're like two to five hundred pages, are called doorstop epitancy. I get that. Who uses the book as a doorstop? I don't think it's decided. Nobody has. That's nice to hear. That's like, from the beginning. I think that's... I think one is best met. Anyway, so it's book one.
Stephanie (42:20)
I hate that. Who uses a book as a doorstop?
Kaitlin (42:23)
Doorstop epic fantasy will not be disappointed. So these books, when they're like over 500 pages, are called Doorstop epic fantasy.
Stephanie (42:36)
That upsets me and that's like a rude use of paper.
Kaitlin (42:37)
I don't know but it's the size and the weight I guess.
I think I think well, it's that's the nickname. I don't know what to tell you anyway, so it's Book one this author is another late in life author He had one other book series that I have not read This how do I describe this book? It brought it the beginning of it really reminds me of six of crows in terms of like there's an orphan and he's like
Molly Galler (42:52)
I have a lot of experience with that document. This is probably the smartest one. In rocket, the beginning of the video, like the six of crows, it happened like years ago. And it was like a trickier and harder thing. And by the secret, it doesn't happen often. But now, it's a little scary. So six of crows, I would say.
Stephanie (43:03)
Six of Crows in terms of like their torsion and his like a transfer. And that was one of the most important things he was saying. And it's not a secret, he doesn't want you to know. Like, okay, he's feeling very, very close to Six of Crows kind of thing. But his secret is that he's a prince. And his parents were killed by people that, I don't know who they are, but his parents were killed. And so he's basically...
Kaitlin (43:11)
a trickster and he's out on his own in the world like doing his thing. And he's got a secret that he doesn't want other people to know. And I'm like, okay, this is feeling very Lee, Bardugo, Six of Crows kind of thing. But his secret is that he's a prince and his parents were killed by people that I don't know who they are, but his parents are killed. And so he's basically like out for vengeance and he's like undercover.
Stephanie (43:33)
like out of beddings and like undercover in the bathroom. Are people not looking for him? His whole family, he goes from this job to this job. Oh, okay. I would just say like, it's kind of like, you know, it's to say for everyone. Sometimes people who are sick, other people who are sick, it's like, yeah, I'm going to go look for a new doctor.
Kaitlin (43:40)
in the day -to -day world living in an orphanage.
Um, his whole family, he goes to a place that's not where he's from. Um, and this is like, it's fantasy. And so it's one of those things where like, some things feel futuristic and other things like the, at one point he's in like a hovercraft type of thing. And it's basically an airplane, but he's like in total awe of it. And so I'm kind of like, do they not have airplanes? Like it's like,
Molly Galler (43:48)
Um, at this point, to fantasy and to the purpose of your... some of these fields of tourism and other things that you have to deal with. I mean, it's interesting to see that they're not just me, but these like, total, uh, these real -world, you know, like, it's like, there's, uh, there's a other people. And I think society is gonna be seeing this work well after the night. I know that's a key point to that. They have to...
Stephanie (44:02)
But he's like, he's totally up to his luck. And so I'm kind of like, you're totally slick. There's options that you can go there and do it yourself. And one of the society's perks is, and this is where it will come to many places, is people's will. They figure it out and they can see people's will. So depending on the criteria of what class you are in the society, you can actually benefit from other people's will.
Kaitlin (44:11)
There's aspects of it that feel very medieval and the way that the society works is, and this is where the will of the many comes in, it's people's will. They have figured out a way to seed people's will. So depending on the hierarchy of like what class you are in the society, you get to benefit from other people's will. And so if you are lower class, you...
Stephanie (44:31)
And so if you are low class, you in order to make money sometimes have to give your will to upper class people. And people, they have to figure out different ways of managing this. Some of the people just like, come across your things, low class things, which is right, is being fueled by ill -mannered. And so...
Kaitlin (44:37)
in order to make money sometimes have to give your will to upper class people. People have been able to figure out different ways of managing this will. When they do go in this hovercraft airplane blimp type thing is the way that they describe it, it is being fueled by the will of the many. I think there's about to be a dark academia aspect to it because he's going to this academy.
Molly Galler (44:41)
to figure out different ways of managing this web. You you know, it's like how would you actually replace one type of text, like, this, right? It is just fueled by the building of a web. And so there's a lot of ideas about how to more of And I think at this point, this is a cabin. I'm looking at the user. He's looking at this cabin where he is just having a lot of
Stephanie (44:57)
There's an episode about being a dark matter, being an dark matter, because he's going to this academy. I don't know what he said. He's going to this academy where he is to stop the dark matter.
Kaitlin (45:06)
I'm like a hundred pages in. He's going to this academy where he is to spy on the head of the school because the head of the school was like the top of his class. And he basically could have been like a big time politician and he chose to be the head of this school instead, which is a very odd choice. And so the government...
Stephanie (45:10)
the head of the school, and he basically had a big, kind of argument, and he chose to be the head of the school instead, which was a very odd choice. And so the government is assuming that there is some great, what's the word, great, of sorts on the campus of the school.
Molly Galler (45:10)
that the school wants to have a school that's like the top of its comments. And he basically heard it then from the time competition. And he chose to be the head of this school, except they were not a choice. And so the government is assuming that there are some great public schools in the world.
Kaitlin (45:33)
is assuming that there is some great, what's the word I'm looking for, rune of sorts on the campus of the school that he is trying to figure out how to harness and use. And so this orphan kid who actually was a prince at one point in time is now being tasked with figure out why this guy chose to be like the headmaster of a school as opposed to like any other job within the society.
Molly Galler (45:38)
of sports all the way to school that is right here for 30 years. And so this work is there. And what's critical to me is that I can connect with, figure out what is that, show the people that have been after the schools and how to sort any other problem within the society. I can't tell from this if you're telling me or not. OK, so, um.
Stephanie (45:40)
I can't tell from this if you're enjoying it or not.
Kaitlin (46:06)
Okay, so I'm a really fast reader. This book, not only is it like 650 pages, but the font is like size nine or 10. Like it is dense. Like it is, and it is so detailed, like the world that this guy is building, like is jaw drop. Like the ideas, like just the ideas alone, I'm sitting there and I'm like, this is so wild. Like that somebody's brain.
Molly Galler (46:07)
I'm a real fast reader. This book, not a book, is kind of a book that's not a size 9, but it connects. It's so important, the size building, the job, the ideas, just the ideas and all the aesthetic behind it. This is so...wild. Like, it's so important.
Stephanie (46:14)
Oh.
Molly Galler (46:34)
in that business.
Kaitlin (46:37)
invented this, you know what I mean? And like, if I think too hard about like Hogwarts and Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings, like there are a lot of people in this world that have the ability to build worlds and this guy is one of them. And I'm very interested in what happens now that the main character is like about to be at the school. But before I found out what his like mission was going to be,
Molly Galler (46:43)
the ability to hold the office and decide on one of them and find their person in what I call the personality and character of the office. So before I purple this like initial point here, it was at the season of American establishment right here.
Stephanie (46:43)
to be able to work out and decide on them. And I'm very interested.
in what happens now with the main characters about the school. But before I found out what his mission was going to be, it was a test because it was very much establishing like, this is the work of things, this is where this value kind of lands. In the work, this is how the society works. And that was like, well before he was first 50 years old, and now he's back now with like a rare moment in time.
Kaitlin (47:04)
It was intense because it was very much establishing like, this is the order of things. This is where this guy kind of lands in the world. This is how the society works. And that was like a laborious first 50 pages or so. And now that I know like where we're going with it and what he's going to be doing, I'm very interested. But it took a little bit for that to happen.
Molly Galler (47:04)
This is one of our things. This is where it's got our plans. And the world is outside of us. And now we're going to be working first in the future, without having to worry about what's going to happen. I'm very interested in putting up with it for that. Wow. Not really sure how to follow that up.
Kaitlin (47:30)
No.
Molly Galler (47:34)
I'm not reading a doorstop fantasy novel. I just finished a few days ago, a love song for Ricky Wilde by Tia Williams. Steph talked about this earlier, so I won't get too much into it. And also we're hoping to do a Tia Williams episode coming up. But I will say, and I've said this before, I was obsessed with her previous book, Seven Days in June. So I was really, really eager to read this. It's very different, very different kind of story.
Stephanie (47:34)
I have a lot of people with doors locked in. I just finished a few days ago. I love selling food for my audience. I'm talking about spoilers. I get too much into it. So I'm going to do a team work on this episode coming up. But.
Kaitlin (47:48)
I will say, I have seen this before, this is a sessure from previous months, and these two, if you're going to read this, it's very different, very different from how it's going. It can almost sound really different, but just the experience is so different emotionally, and I guess I'll leave it at that for now, because it's a good picture to really compare it with the past.
Stephanie (47:51)
I will say, I've have said this before, I was obsessed with the previous one, Seven Days of June, so it's really one of the reasons I can't read this. It's very different. Very different kind of story. In almost fact, it's not like a different author, but just the experience is so different emotionally. And I guess I'll leave it at that for now, since it's kind of due to my like, my own interest. But then I moved right onto this book called, Sensualize and Sensibility, which was written by...
Molly Galler (48:02)
It almost felt not like a different author, but just the experience was so different, like emotionally. And I guess I'll just leave it at that for now, because hopefully we're going to do a deeper like compare and contrast. But then I moved right onto this book called Sex, Lies and Sensibility, which was recommended by Ali Hazelwood when we were at this romance author event. And we all had our phones open typing stuff into Goodreads so we wouldn't forget. And I happened to see it when I was in the bookstore in Miami. And I was like, OK, it's paperback. I'm going to get this.
Kaitlin (48:16)
Then I moved right up to this topic called sex -wise sensibility, which was around the diaphanies of working with the practice romance offered by men and we all control this open -tech instruction to do. So we went for that, and I got to see it. That was the most certain thing, I was like, okay, I'm going to get this. I am a male.
Stephanie (48:19)
So we're going to this round and talk a little bit and we all have some open time. So we're going to get and I hope you see it.
Molly Galler (48:32)
Um, I am about 175 pages in. It is the story of two sisters who are from Maryland, who upon their dad's passing, discovered that he has just kept a lot of secrets about another family, about his financial situation. And the only way they can access any part of their inheritance is if they move up to Maine and take over a rundown in that he had purchased and basically let go into foreclosure. So.
Stephanie (48:34)
I just ended the story of two sisters from America who are passing. I just remembered that this was kept a lot of secrets about the family, about this financial situation, and the other thing that I'm not so sure about is if they move up to the main and take over a bond that they can purchase basically by moving into more culture. So in the part of the country, I mean, in the country America.
Kaitlin (48:38)
is the story of two sisters from Brooklyn, who are passing, just know that it's just capital, obviously, that's about the family, about this financial situation, and the only way to access any part of their intelligence is if they move onto the bank and take over a bond that they have in that person's basically like a pensioner closure. So in the part of the family that is actually an American tribe.
Molly Galler (49:00)
In the part of Maine that they're in, there is actually a Native American tribe, back to today's topic. And in a surprise to no one, she begins to fall in love with one of the members of the tribe who was helping them get to know the local area and help them get introduced to everyone from contractors to accountants to whatever. It's very interesting because for those who have not been to the state of Maine, it is an extremely white place. And the main characters in this book, Nora, the woman is black, and then this guy, who everyone calls Bear.
Kaitlin (49:16)
It's very interesting because those who have not been to the state of Maine is an extremely white place. And the main character is this young whore out in the middle is black and then this guy, who's kind of a spare, his name is American. So they're talking about that experience of looking a super white, super white, and he is the one who's trying to be both native and also high -sider. The man is excellent to the point where he's like,
Stephanie (49:25)
black and then this guy named Errol M. Spare, his name is Errol. So we are talking about that experience of being a super white, super white woman, based on what I said too. Both native and also coastline. The band is excellent to the point where like if I wasn't the fastest boat out to the west, I would be like, we're at the far side. And I would be like, we're at the far side.
Molly Galler (49:29)
Um is native american so they're talking about that experience of living in a super white super rural place and what it's like to be um, both native and also an outsider The banter is excellent to the point where like if I wasn't going to pass this book on to you guys I probably would have like written hearts on things and highlighted things and like there are just certain lines where i'm like Oh my god, how does that come from someone's brain?
Kaitlin (49:46)
like if I wasn't the master so much, you guys are probably like, who are in the cars, and they're like, they're certified, because of the causes of the change. I would expect them to ask me, I would expect you to ask me.
Stephanie (49:52)
I would expect nothing less from Allie Hazelwood who is like the queen of banter.
Molly Galler (49:56)
The fact that she like endorsed this so heavily in front of an audience full of other romance readers, I'm like, this has got to be great. But also I was nervous. I was like, oh, go ahead. Like, don't go into it with too high expectations. But I'm really, really, really enjoying it. And Steph and I were talking about yesterday. It's meant to be like a modern day take on sense and sensibility, which I'm mortified to tell all of you I've never read. So I, oh, OK. So I might have to.
Stephanie (49:59)
this is going to be in front of an audience who are going to be very happy. This is going to be great. But I also want to start with a volunteer job.
Kaitlin (50:01)
Me neither.
Stephanie (50:19)
I think I'm gonna force you guys to do like a classics episode and by classics I mean we're gonna do a Jane Austen episode
Molly Galler (50:30)
I've read a lot of the classics. Great Expectations is my favorite book for many, many, many, many years.
Kaitlin (50:31)
Please don't. Please don't. Great Expectations is a great book. That's why I mean, I'm happy to talk about that one.
Stephanie (50:35)
Oh, we should talk about pep.
By the time out, are you saying that Jane Auster does not have great books?
Oh.
Kaitlin (50:48)
I don't know, because I think I started one one time and was like, meh.
Molly Galler (50:50)
So her other book Nikki Payne is this author sorry sex lies and sensibility by Nikki Payne her other book is called pride and protest Which is also a play on pride and prejudice so if you like those oh geez I think you will really really like these and I am loving this without having read the inspiration material But I sent a stuff that maybe I will watch the movie of sensibility in order to get us a sense pun intended
Stephanie (50:50)
it.
Kaitlin (50:57)
So sex supplies are fundamentally different from other things, from the hygiene approach, which is also a more divided practice. So if you like those own views, I think you will feel very likely that I am belonging to one of your regular inspiration material, but I see the second maybe I'll watch it in the movie.
Stephanie (50:59)
I know.
So if you want to know what phony is, I think you will really find out what it And I am loving this one, because it's a material. But I think this is something that I'm going to have to do.
I'm sorry.
Molly Galler (51:20)
of what it was inspired by. So anyway, that's my romance hole this week.
Kaitlin (51:25)
I don't know when I'll be done with this book. It's I really have to concentrate, which I know sounds so absurd. But when you are reading lighter books that are like more like if I'm reading a book and the majority of it is dialogue, that goes a lot. The pages just fly by.
Stephanie (51:27)
I don't know if I went off the top of my head.
Molly Galler (51:28)
I'm so sorry.
Stephanie (51:36)
so absurd, but when you read books that are like, like if I read a book and the majority of it is dialogue, that feels a lot, and even just why, why, where it's like I read four pages of this book and it's like a very detailed description of like what a contraction looks like in this society, or like.
Molly Galler (51:40)
I read a book in the majority of the society that was a lot of hate and just product hate where I read for me this book and it's a very deep description of white and black and black and black and black and and and black and black and and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black and black
Kaitlin (51:54)
Whereas like I can read four pages of this book and it's like a very detailed description of like what a contraption looks like in this society or like, you know, there's a lot of like inner monologue of because this guy is basically undercover. And so like his, like he's going back and forth of like, do I play it like this? Do I play it like that? Did he tell that I like blanched when he said this and you know, he has to do a lot of like,
Molly Galler (52:03)
And you know, there's a lot of inner monologue, because this guy is just playing with the color. So it is like, he's going to try to work it out. He's going play it up to this point. How did he tell it? When he said this, and you know, this is a lot of like, cool.
Stephanie (52:03)
And you know, there's a lot of like, inner monologue, because this guy is basically undercover and so like, his... Like, he's going back and forth like, directly about this, directly about that, did he tell that I like, went, or he said this? And, you know, he has to do a lot of like, code -quitting and masking of like, I mean, he gets caught up at one point because he flunches when somebody says his swear word in a language that he shouldn't know, because like, his upbringing was like, he was like, I like, had a...
Molly Galler (52:20)
and asking him. I mean, he gets caught up with one thing because he's such a good person. He said a swear word and I'm like, you're too good. He shouldn't have felt it. Because he's not good at it. He's so popular. He's all these tutors and he knows all the languages. He's supposed to be the self -care kid. So there's a lot of that for him, Seth. And it just is way more challenging to make that book slide. I like that. Thanks, Beth.
Kaitlin (52:22)
code switching and masking of like, I mean, he gets caught up at one point because he flinches when somebody says like a swear word in a language that he shouldn't know because like his upbringing was like he was like, like had all these tutors and he knows all these languages and like, he's supposed to be this like orphan kid. And so there's a lot of like that sort of stuff. And it just is way more time consuming than books that I've been reading recently.
Stephanie (52:33)
No one says you have to race through it. You can take your time.
Molly Galler (52:49)
I hope that I am able to it for all of you. I would like to say one thing, Maria, that I'm always grateful for your response. Stephanie, or Marissa, you're the best. I love you guys. She's so good to us. She's a good person.
Kaitlin (52:53)
I know, but I have homework for the pod that's other books that aren't this. And I know that you guys probably aren't going to read this one. Steph, maybe. Marissa, your sister, definitely should.
Stephanie (52:58)
She is so busy with K -dramas that she doesn't come out of her room anymore, so I don't think she's gonna read that.
Molly Galler (53:08)
But it's a closed -door thing. True. It can't be. It can't. It can't. Well, that was a good point. I know. No? It's a problem for the president. I mean, it's been that way for time. How many times has it been? You know it. No. Four or five times. So many times. And it's not accurate. They don't have a budget for it. How could they?
Stephanie (53:11)
True, but they canceled that Netflix show. Yeah. No, they were going to do a Six of Crows spinoff. Speaking of.
Kaitlin (53:11)
But Six of Crows was one of her favorites.
They did. They did. Well, that was shadow and bone though. I digress. Anyway. Oh, I didn't realize that. That's too bad. That would have been good. Probably too expensive. These worlds, I'm telling you, these worlds are so intricate and then fans get mad if it's not accurate, but they don't have the budget for it.
Stephanie (53:33)
Akatar was supposed to be on Hulu, I believe, and it's been dropped probably because of how much it would cost to sort of build that world up. So I'm not sure if another network is going to pick it up.
Molly Galler (53:46)
I have two things that we need to learn before you experience the whole thing. And they should show us the whole lot of things. First I want to say for people who aren't as deep into the book world as we are, that stands for A Court of Thorn and Roses, if you're like Watson and Agatarr. It's an acronym for the series that is crazy popular. If you saw the book covers, I'm sure you would recognize it because they're everywhere. It's in Target. It's in all the bookstores. It's at...
Kaitlin (53:49)
Do you think that we live in a world where we will start to see more crowdfunding for beloved things?
Stephanie (53:54)
Oh.
It's good. It's like 4 ,000 words total, the whole series, and I've read the first four books.
Kaitlin (54:14)
It's like...
Molly Galler (54:18)
I could see that the way that people can do, whether it's like GoFundMe or Kickstarter for products, that this could become something that happens in the future. If fans really feel strongly enough, I don't know what the budget would be to make something like that. I'm guessing like could be a hundred million dollars, but I think they could try.
Kaitlin (54:22)
I think the way that people can do, whether it's a co -publicity or a product, that this could become something that happens in the future. And really strongly enough, I don't know, to make something like that, I guess it could be a habit and always, but anything that I will think of, I will.
Stephanie (54:33)
Well, think of The Crown. Wasn't that the highest budget that Netflix had ever had? And that was a hundred million? Wasn't it?
Molly Galler (54:44)
I think that's right. And the sets on that were so elaborate.
Kaitlin (54:46)
and have a great time.
Stephanie (54:50)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (54:55)
I just think for a book series to be devoured in a way like that, that it would be silly not to make it. But I do understand needing to make it correctly with the, like with the money and the budget and the whole thing.
Molly Galler (55:00)
It's sweet talk to me.
Stephanie (55:01)
It was something off to me. But I can understand. We need to make it collective.
Molly Galler (55:10)
It's kind of like what we were talking about with fourth wing how if they if they go cheaply on the dragons It's just gonna wreck it
Stephanie (55:10)
It's kind of a real personal point of view, if you think that you'll shoot me off the dragon. It's just kind a way. Yeah. Right. So, yeah. Well, that's how we get to stuff. One thing, we used to be free from the experience of being free at loads. Not now. I love that. And it's been nice. My school's out of the way for you, but I'm happy for you.
Kaitlin (55:17)
Right, so yeah, as as somebody that just watched a recently created BBC version of A Midsummer Night's Dream that was not very good. And my students, my students at one point screamed and rolled around on the floor because they at the in the wedding scene, they had Titania and
Molly Galler (55:19)
Well,
My students at work, they know that I'm never be proud of the state. That's what it feels like to see them. They know I'm proud it.
Stephanie (55:36)
because they, as we see, they have to stand up and, oh, gosh, they have something to pick up.
Kaitlin (55:46)
Oh my gosh, the queen of the Amazons, what's her name? Not Helena. Oh my God, this is terrible. They had two of the women end up with each other at the wedding. And then they had one of the guys from Snout from Pyramus and Thysbe, they had him end up with like a guard from the wedding. So there were like all these like gay couples all of a sudden. And I was like this and the kids are like, Oh my God, this isn't in the play. Do you think Shakespeare meant this? And I was like, I
Stephanie (55:49)
They just really looked at each other after that. And then they had one of the eyes from Snap, who you're from, is either active and active like a card from the line. So I was like, was like, I was on the side. And I was like, this, and this, and I was oh my god, this is so cool. Like, thanks for this. And I was like, I thought, it would be a good experience. It would be a happy experience. So, thank you.
Molly Galler (55:53)
And then they had one of them that was quite strong to sell when there was a meeting that had to go.
and then we're like, oh, this is great, I'll do it. And I was like, this is great.
Are you sure? I was like, oh, you see it?
Kaitlin (56:15)
thought it was the BBC and it was going to just be a regular version. And it wasn't so cool, cool, cool. But yeah, it was the fairies were not done well and the kids made fun of it. And so like, yeah, budget matters and, and all that jazz.
Molly Galler (56:16)
But yeah.
Stephanie (56:19)
But yeah, we can compare it to the other dimensions based on the mid. So yeah, I'm going to stop there.
Molly Galler (56:29)
Well, if you guys want to see what a doorstop fantasy novel looks like, I'm going to take a video of this book and post it on Instagram. So give us a follow at Plans Are Booked over on Instagram. And if you want to make a suggestion of a book we should read or a book we should talk about, please shoot us a note to plansarebooked at gmail .com. We love to hear from you.
Stephanie (56:30)
If you guys can see that, you can do a stop and just see that.
Kaitlin (56:44)
make a suggestion or wish it would be better if we should talk more please, shoot us out. Thanks for watching.
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