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Did Dave Castro accidentally fall into the
coolest podcast in the CrossFit space?
He may just have.
Let's talk about it next.
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What is going on everybody?
Welcome to Lunchtime.
It's lunch with the Clydesdale.
Good to see you all today.
What's up, Jody?
Corey?
Good to see you in the house.
Sean in Oregon.
Yeah.
Love the new music.
Yeah, I just switched that over, gosh,
about a week ago.
What's up, Meredith?
Terry?
Yeah.
What's up, Jeff Baco?
So, yeah.
So,
I don't have a ton of time today.
I have a one o'clock meeting.
that I have to get to.
So we're going to hop right into things
today.
Yesterday,
I tuned into the Dave Castro channel on
YouTube,
and it was advertised as part of the
affiliate series that he's doing with
Nicole Christensen.
um and the and they do an affiliate
thing where they interview an affiliate
owner talk about what they do and
yesterday the affiliate didn't show but i
think what happened was actually pretty
damn cool i think what happened is dave
may have found a really cool concept for
a podcast accidentally so the podcast
opens up yesterday
with Nicole Christensen struggling after
doing a workout at her affiliate that
afternoon.
Her voice was gone.
She said that it was the first time
she nearly puked in like six years.
And she tells Dave what the workout is.
And it was her talking about,
it was interval work.
You, you do.
Twenty five meter sled push and then an
echo bike of ten or fourteen calories.
Women, men.
And then you rest for like four to
five minutes because it doesn't take that
long to do that.
And you do it again.
And it's four rounds.
And Dave was like, wow, like all that.
rest and it still like knocked you out
and she said yeah like the whole the
whole community was crushed there were
dnfs that people couldn't get past round
three the whole thing but and it was
designed to be a sprint and it was
written by misfit um affiliate
So Dave starts kind of critiquing the
workout and how he would change it.
Nicole is very adamant about what she
feels about it,
and they start debating this workout.
Well,
because the affiliate didn't show up,
They actually called the head coach of
Misfit, brought him on,
and it became this discussion of the
programming.
But I love the fact that Dave had
his ideas and the other two were very
honest.
adamant about their position of that
workout and what it brought to the
community,
what it brought to the affiliate,
what the stimulus was trying to be.
And they really defended it well.
And I think it's actually created possibly
a really cool podcast series of where you
bring your workout to Dave.
He gives his thoughts.
You defend why you did it your way.
And you have this discussion.
And I don't generally get into programming
talk.
When we do programming stuff and like
event programming,
I really turn that over to like Jamie
and Carolyn.
And I just kind of mediate it because
one, I no longer coach.
I never was a programmer and I don't
really understand all the aspects of
programming,
even though I have an L one and
I have programmed a few classes over the
years.
but I really thought it was fascinating
and it really sucked me in as to
why he thought what he thought.
And,
and what's funny is he even talks about
that.
He has rules that you shouldn't break.
And even with those rules, he said,
and I know I've broken probably every
single one of them.
Um, and you know what I mean?
I, I just,
I thought it was really cool.
I, Larry said that, uh,
My favorite part was the could care less
what Dave thought about their programming.
They were polite, but at the same time,
we like what we do.
I liked how they defended why they do
it.
And what we actually learned is the
original program wasn't even Echo Bike.
It was SkiErg.
And when Nicole said Echo Bike,
the guy from Misfit was like, damn,
that's even more rough.
Like...
like you even escalated it a little bit
more.
Uh, Austin also basically said these long,
late workouts make you good at that,
but forces no adaptation.
So, yeah.
Um,
And he actually – the guy from Misfit,
is that who was – it was his
name, Austin.
I don't remember because I have it queued
up for something else.
But he talked about how he has like
three buckets of frequency,
things that are –
things that they sprinkle in periodically,
things that they want to do somewhat
often,
and then things they want to put in
every single week.
And so he has like frequency buckets on
top of
everything else and balance.
And Dave's biggest concern with sled push
is he thinks it's a cheat to get
away from doing higher skilled workouts in
the affiliate.
And he said,
even though I know you guys aren't trying
to do that,
he said that's a fear when he sees
sled push in a workout at the affiliate.
So,
and they go off into some other topics
as well,
but I really think like it could be
a really cool concept for, um, a podcast.
And I think at one point,
even Nicole says, yeah,
we could do this and call it like
Dave shits on your programming.
And then you talk it out and discuss
it and, and stuff.
So it was, um, it was really,
really cool to, uh,
It was really, really cool to watch,
and I hope they do some more of
this because it just accidentally happened
when the affiliate wasn't there.
They had to fill time.
Frida, Echo Bike is insanely hard,
and a sprint gave me shivers to hear
it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Mark Phillips,
is this the affiliate interview one?
I missed it.
It was.
Just know the affiliate never shows up.
And so they talk about some other things.
And the reason I really tuned in,
because the affiliate interview,
it's not something,
as I'm trying to watch all the content
in the space,
it's not something I normally dive into,
but he was going to do a ten-minute
Q&A at the end.
And I wanted to see what he had
to say during that interview.
So, Denise,
more interesting because I think heavy
sled pushes are a great addition to
training.
Yeah, Dave had alternatives.
He thinks moving a heavy object over a
distance is a good thing,
but he thinks that some affiliates rely on
it too much and then remove some
high-skill events to do that,
some high-skill options.
He actually thought a plate carry would be
good or something like that because a lot
of gyms also don't have very many sleds.
Now,
Nicole was saying they only had two sleds,
but because it was a six minute interval
with a lot of rest,
they actually launched people on the sled
push every thirty seconds because it
didn't take thirty seconds to do a twenty
five meter sled push.
You just pushed it down to the other
side of the floor.
And then at the next thirty seconds,
that person would then push it down to
the other side of the floor.
And then you would jump on your echo
bike once you finish the sled push.
And Dave said that messed with his mind,
you know, the logistics of it all.
And she's like,
you do the logistics for the CrossFit
Games and a class adaptation of these
logistics is blowing your mind.
Like it was a really cool back and
forth.
And I think it showed both personalities a
lot more than in other ways that they've
done it.
Jody Lynn, I agree.
Denise, I wish I could do sleds.
Sled pushes destroy me.
Yeah, my buddy and I...
We used to do Saturday odd object days
where we would just basically do like sled
pushes, sandbags,
different stuff like that outside in the
warm months to do that.
And we would do it during open gym
and just kind of look around the internet
for really cool stuff.
And it was just kind of a break
of the week that we really enjoyed.
But it was not programmed for us.
We were just being mavericks and doing
whatever we kind of saw on the internet.
And I kind of miss that, you know.
I'm Mark Phillips.
We just have a torque tank.
It's okay.
Yeah.
I don't like that you have to go
kind of at its pace.
They're just weird.
Yeah.
Um, how has that scored total time?
Sorry if you already said it.
Uh, I don't,
they didn't really talk about how it was
scored.
They really just talked about how it made
them feel.
Um, and maybe it was just, Hey,
and she said they did like some high
skill work before it, uh,
just working on some high skill stuff.
Uh, so maybe it was just complete,
maybe get you to your check Mark for
the day.
Um,
So I don't really know, uh, David Reed.
Uh, we only have one sled,
so never do them in class,
but I did them last Saturday before
partner class with Cindy.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We always,
we never really had them in class either.
Um,
that's why my buddy and I would do
like odd object Saturdays and we had two
sleds back then.
Uh, Frida, you could use a box, uh,
you use for box jumps and add weight,
uh, if needed Jody.
Yeah.
Jody works out in her basement though.
I don't know if she has the
And that's kind of the bad thing if
you are a garage person or something like
that.
Like my garage isn't big enough to have
twenty five meters.
My driveway is probably a twenty degree
angle too.
So I'd have to be one of those
mavericks that go out on the street and
push a sled,
wake everybody up in the neighborhood.
Jody says, I will give it a try.
I have a little bit of runway.
Not much, though.
So they did stick to plan, though.
And at the very end of their little
podcast, they opened it up for questions.
And I did get one in.
And so I did want to share that
with you guys.
They've answered it.
And I thought that was really cool.
So I'm going to go ahead and share
that now.
So here it is.
So as the leader,
as the leader in fitness,
in the fitness space,
I'll say as a leader,
I'll say that as a leader in the
fitness space,
do you feel a responsibility to bring the
community back together?
Or do you believe the strong will survive?
I think there's an aspect of wanting the
community together and fostering that and
keeping it, again,
marching in the right direction,
arm in arm,
that I would like to see for sure.
but not at the expense of compromising our
values to get some people who might be
on the outside or on the verge of
going on the outside because for a variety
of reasons that might compromise who we
are.
Like meaning you also have to want to
be here.
And if you don't want to be here,
I don't see it my responsibility or our
responsibility to compromise who we are or
the methodology or CrossFit to get you on
board.
If you want to be in the club,
we want you in the club and we
want you marching in the same direction.
So that's how I feel about that statement.
What do you think, Nicole?
Oh, I mean, yeah, I'm right there, too.
I think, you know,
if you believe in what you do,
and I think a lot of affiliates do,
and they believe in the methodology,
then it's then people are attracted to it.
Because, you know,
I can't remember who is it,
James always said, like,
I've never seen it not work.
I mean, we believe what we do,
because I've literally never seen it not
work.
You know, and so yeah,
I think when if you want to be
part of the club,
and you want to you want all the
the goods of the,
the community and what it has to offer,
like the buy in is believing in the
methodology.
And this is what we do.
And we know it works.
So that's the question I got in.
And just to kind of rehash that,
I asked,
as a leader in the fitness space,
do you feel you have a responsibility to
try to bring the community back together?
Or are you taking the approach of the
strong will survive?
And...
And that was their answer,
that they would love to walk arm in
arm with people,
but they're not going to compromise who
they are to do that.
And so I'd love to get your thoughts
on that.
Do you think they have a responsibility to
reach out to some of these other entities
and try to get that arm in arm
relationship?
sentiment to move forward or do you think
that that it's too much of a compromise
to do so uh amanda fillers i'm the
crazy person in the neighborhood dragging
pushing the sled around the block yeah uh
nicole takes precisely zero of dave
zero larry young says yeah i agree she
did not give in to him at all
during the show yesterday um and she
fought for what she believed in for sure
so do you so as he answered that
i was thinking like that that makes a
lot of sense it makes a lot of
sense that you would not want to
compromise who you are in order to get
community buy-in and to walk arm-in-arm
And, but at what,
but what are you talking about is again,
I think it goes back to what we've
talked about in the past.
What are your core values?
You should not compromise your core values
of who you are and what you want
to be to, to walk arm and arm,
but like stubbornness and
lack of communication have been issues
with CrossFit.
Those are things that maybe could change
and maybe help in communicating something
moving forward.
Larry Young.
I felt this was a shot at mayhem,
but when mayhem basically pulled CrossFit
out of the quicksand and started the
resurgence of CrossFit with open and
classic pulled.
Yeah.
thought about that too last night Larry
with with Rich talking about leaving he
had such an impact on last season
with the open announcement,
the Rocky shorts, getting everybody hyped,
a huge crowd at mayhem for that open
announcement.
It just looked awesome.
It gave people chills, all of that stuff.
And then the mayhem classic went off so
well.
They put so much money into that to
make it look good,
to have a great broadcast,
to have the best cast of athletes they
could have.
It wasn't their fault that people
withdrew, but,
they did the best they could with it
and really kind of helped start the upward
climb that we've seen from that point to
the games.
And, um,
and so it's making this rich thing even
weirder, um, even weirder.
So, um,
Frida,
it kind of sounds like the old school
approach.
I get that.
I get that.
And you want to stick to your methodology.
You want to stick to who you are.
But I don't want to stay old school
just to say we're staying old school.
Like there weren't other entities trying
to do what CrossFit was doing.
There weren't competitors trying to take
on CrossFit.
I guess in this newer generation,
how do you deal with that?
And I'm not sure that sticking completely
old school is the answer.
I think, again,
your core set of values and who you
are, you should stick to for sure.
But do we know what that is?
And I don't know if CrossFit knows who
they are enough to say that anymore.
I feel it should stay with the workout
methodology part.
I agree.
I do agree with that.
But didn't he say he was still paying
for the broadcast?
Maybe he feels he's really not getting a
good return on investment.
I don't know if he's still paying for
the broadcast.
He did talk about how hefty of a
price it was,
and they had to make that decision.
But I do think that Mayhem has enough
cash to pay for that.
And I don't think that,
and here's where things are weird yet.
It's again,
this sport thing that they did to help
out,
but it's bigger than that with the
affiliates.
So Larry,
I think HQ and Malik to rich,
he would have a seated table.
Then both pulled back senior comments,
just speculation.
I don't really know.
I don't really know about that, Larry.
I don't know.
I see Dave as a completely separate vibe
from CrossFit.
I think that you're in the minority.
I think that many people look at Dave
as the face of CrossFit.
He's the only one that regularly speaks.
He's the only one we get information from.
And so I do believe that there is
a blurred line there.
Even though I think in actuality you are
correct.
But I think it's very confusing for the
mass public because he is the only,
the only person we get to see and
hear from.
Anyway, that's enough about that.
Speaking of semifinals,
I want to just kind of lament something
real quick.
And that is that we don't have this
set semifinal anymore.
I was talking to Corey after the show
yesterday.
It's so hard to do interviews like I
used to do them.
We used to set up the semifinal season
by looking at the rosters and being able
to see who was going to compete in
semis.
And then we would reach out to as
many as we possibly could to interview and
learn new things about new people.
I'm stuck in this paralysis of doing
interviews now because I don't know who
that group is anymore.
And there's no way to easily get a
list of who it's going to be.
We don't see the rosters at different
events until much later.
I think semifinals are confusing the way
they're done now.
Because every semifinal had different
rules.
We don't know who's coming.
We don't know who's withdrawing.
We don't know all this stuff that's going
on.
And then it'd be nice to know who's
going to be a semifinal this year.
I think that information needs to be out
there quickly because then you have these
things happening now where qualifications
for the TFX are happening.
People think that that's for the semifinal
that they held last year,
but TFX has another event that they hold
in January in Austin, Texas.
which was different than the semifinal
they held in Oklahoma.
So now you're getting things with the same
name, confusing people.
I've seen questions to Dave about TFX.
Should they do this qualifier?
Should they do that qualifier?
It's not even for the right qualifier.
And if the mass public are confused about
that already,
I think we need to get the names
of those semifinals out there so that they
can talk about how to qualify,
how they're going to pick their roster,
all of those things moving forward.
But on a personal note,
it's just been really hard to see who
these up-and-comer athletes are in the
space because I don't have a list of
like semifinal athletes to learn and get
to know more.
It's crazy.
And I think the faster we know this
information,
the more this will clear up a bit
as we move forward.
But right now, it's just an awful mess.
um denise dawn certainly is not the face
of crossfit i agree ever since the the
lazar death he has been mia cory and
masters are supposed to get our very own
live semi-final that is something entirely
different and that is the limit of the
information we have i know
Frida,
what irritated me the most was that the
athletes were allowed to do as many as
they wanted.
I don't like that either.
I don't, I didn't like that.
And because it's taking opportunities away
from so many other athletes, I,
I don't like the fact that you have
to be ready on this weekend.
And if you get sick or anything like
that, then you're just F for the year.
But, um,
but I don't think you should be able
to do as many as you want.
Maybe two, maybe cap it at two.
See how that works.
I don't know.
Uh,
Other thing I want to talk about is
Hiller put out the list of lists today.
If you have not seen it,
he put out the list of the twenty
four athletes who most likely have used
PEDs.
And.
He said it's twenty four, not twenty five,
because he didn't he didn't want to make
it a perfect number.
He just wanted to do the people he
thought.
It's a really interesting and very
comprehensive list of athletes in the
history of CrossFit that he has thought
that have used PEDs.
I.
I will say that the evidence he gives
for some of them are way more compelling
than others.
Some of the evidence he gives for some
of the athletes, you're like, okay,
he is saying this a little more clearly
than with others.
and uh mark yes men only um if
you haven't seen it i don't want to
spoil it when you get to number three
the list of things he points out um
And number three,
the person he lists and the video
evidence, picture evidence,
whatever it is that he goes along with
is very, very compelling.
I think number three showed up to be
more possible than two and one by the
evidence he had shown.
Jar Jar Binks, Alex Smith had me LOLing.
Eric Mackey,
the criteria for this list was a stretch.
Reaching on this one hits and misses.
Yeah,
I think like it's a list of people.
And I think you have to look at
the evidence with each one to make your
determination.
Whether you think it's someone really on
the list or not is the way I
looked at it.
and some of the evidence is way more
compelling than others that's all i'll say
sean oregon hillary sure as heck knows how
to keep himself in the middle of the
conversation he is self-admitted that he
knows what videos will get him clicks and
likes and all those things but it allows
him to do the stuff like travel and
spend some time with some people
And, um,
and those are the videos that I enjoy
the most.
And if it means he has to do
these others to make the money to go
do that, I understand it.
And as a podcast host and looking for
topics, he's awesome at providing those.
Um, so yeah,
I think he knows what he's doing.
Um, for sure.
I think it's all part of his plan.
Last thing I'm going to touch on today,
Eric Mackey,
Liz Wishart was a great video.
It was.
Really, really was.
Sean in Oregon.
I'm a paid member of his channel, too,
and love his work.
Yes, I am as well.
I am as well.
And that reminds me,
don't forget to like and subscribe, guys.
We are getting so close to three K
subscribers.
We need like forty forty five more
subscribers.
And I'm hoping to hit that by year's
end to get three K.
Just sounds way better than two nine five,
whatever, whatever we are,
two nine five five.
so love to say three k trying to
get there by year's end but hit that
like button it helps us get in the
algorithm as well really appreciate that
if you could do that uh how will
you celebrate when you get three k uh
i don't need to um i don't even
think about the celebration i just i don't
know we'll fit i'll figure out something
we'll do something
Um, try your dagger.
I'll go make other accounts and subscribe.
Uh, no need to do that.
I let's make them legit.
Let's make them legit.
So, um, last thing again,
I have a one o'clock meeting,
so I'm going to get through this quick.
MFC is this weekend masters fitness
championships.
Um, three thousand burpees.
No, thank you.
I will find it.
I would rather do three thousand cows on
a bike than three thousand burpees.
Um.
mfc's this weekend please uh i think
they're gonna broadcast i've heard they're
gonna broadcast really really really um i
hope it comes off well um but they're
doing pairs championships and they're
they're calling it the crossfit games
champion of pairs is this a category we
need i'm curious to know do we really
need the crossfit games champion in pairs
I know that the games are trying to
help MFC be relevant in their offseason
competition.
I've always looked at MFC as the East
Coast Masters Championship,
Legends as the West Coast Masters
Championships.
And...
I don't get why you have to be
gimmicky with pairs or whatever it is
you're doing to try to make something
else.
I think we need to be better at...
promoting our masters individuals and
getting people to watch them as opposed to
pairs.
A friend of mine sent me a text
today and maybe we'll talk about it on
the show at some point, but they're,
they're losing individuals right now.
And they're just handing spots over to
teams or pairs that lost a person to
injury in the individual instead of going
back to the leaderboard and offering it to
people who actually qualified as an
individual.
All this weird back behind the scenes
stuff that happens is more reason to look
skeptically at what they do.
You need to be on the up and
up, do things in a proper way,
and not just fill seats to fill seats.
If you have a spot in the individual
elite division,
offer it to the individuals that qualified
in that field,
not a team that lost a member.
That's just asinine,
and it makes people question why and what
you do.
I know a lot of Masters athletes that
like teams better, easier on the body.
Maybe that is why they are trying this
format.
Okay.
I can get behind that.
Then don't make your competition
everything else around it.
When I've been at every MFC,
the teams are never on the main floor.
If you are really trying to promote this
as a new option moving forward,
it should be on the main floor and
the main broadcast.
And with that explanation,
that as we get further along in this,
this is in CrossFit,
it's easier on the master's body to do
teams.
We want to celebrate pairs.
Here you go.
That makes sense.
but making it a part of this big
three-ring circus that's always on the
subfloor instead of the main floor,
you're never going to get there.
You're never going to get there.
Denise,
there are only two women in the elite
division over sixty.
The rest are RX.
Yep.
I do like what Shannon is saying though.
I do get that.
Sean in Oregon,
Paris champs is interesting.
Each Friday,
Saturday is a team wad in my gym
and most comps I sign up for prior
to prioritize teams of two or three.
Uh, so I can relate to teams.
Um,
Again,
I see what you're saying and it makes
sense to me.
But if that's the way you're going to
go about it,
then make sure you're prioritizing that as
the event of choice when you go to
watch.
So you can truly promote it and see
if it's going to work.
See if it works for the spectators.
See if it works for the athletes.
Then we can get a true test and
see if this can move forward.
I agree Scott their teams are always off
camera out of sight out of mind exactly
Dan Church I missed the beginning are you
coming to MFC Scott if you need a
place you can stay with me I have
an extra room I haven't decided yet just
like last year Dan I probably I'll make
a decision on a whim this weekend and
see I do have a three-day weekend
I know Jamie's going to be there tomorrow.
Um, I can't get off work for that.
Um,
but maybe I'll come up for a day
on the weekend.
Corey,
I thought you only needed to sign up
and not qualify if you were over sixty.
I think you're right, Denise.
It's counter logical.
Nobody watches the coverage.
If the coverage was decent,
more would watch.
Uh, Jake,
what I'm trying to say is they don't
ever,
they are trying this new thing of teams
of two, uh, in the master's divisions.
One of our master's athletes jumped in and
said,
it's easier on the body and they actually
prefer that.
And so they are crowning pairs champions
at MFC this weekend.
What I'm saying is, yes,
you're doing this.
We'll never know if it works if you
never put it in the spotlight.
They are always on the third stage.
It's never on the broadcast.
Nobody ever gets to see it.
And I will tell you,
there are usually bigger names in the
pairs divisions at MFC than there are in
the individual.
But they've never spotlighted it for us to
even know if people would watch it.
because they try to be everything for
everyone.
I think they need to focus down on
maybe just pairs and see if they can
make that a viable option.
Shanna, I agree.
It needs to be in the spotlight.
It does.
Denise, I would have to take boats,
trains, planes,
and cars for me to get to Fort
Wayne.
It is not the easiest place to get
in and out of, but thankfully for me,
it's only about two,
two and a half hours away.
So I can actually drive up there.
Now I have to drive through every corn
field in Ohio to get there,
but I can get there in like two
and a half hours.
Don't moan to me about travel.
I watched your show where you took us
on a trip to get to Coaches Congress
and back.
Dude, I do not envy that at all.
I feel so bad that you have to
do that.
Jody says I should go.
I might go.
It's just been a busy year for us
with everything in the house.
So I just don't know.
I don't know.
Yeah,
I got five minutes before my meeting.
I better get going.
I just don't want to go to this
meeting.
This is a meeting where the person that
we meet with has to give us a
resume.
Twenty seven times during the meeting.
And there's only like ten percent of the
meeting is valid information for me to
take away from it.
The rest is her just bragging about all
the things she's done.
So.
With that, I better get going.
Thank you guys for hanging out.
This has been fun.
We'll be back at it tomorrow.
Lunch with the Clydesdale.
And we will have, I don't know,
we'll do something.
But don't forget to like and subscribe.
You knuckleheads get back to work.
I got to go.
We'll see you then.
Bye.