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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
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good to see you my friend
um the emails keep coming in the Swedish
listeners keep coming in um I'm I'm
happy to be here I got the next I got
the the other new long game long game te
on the the the brand is growing how you
doing my friend I'm great how are you do
you watch some golf this
weekend I watched about an hour you know
I came in real hot I was like I'm going
to go hard and watch the grand thoron on
Thursday uh Lucas Glover and Leona made
a early like a hot run and uh you know
jenko texted me he's like I'm listening
to the I listen to the pot I heard you
pick Glover he's he's Mak he's on a
heater I watched it for like an hour on
Thursday and then I watched the I
watched I happen to flip it on at the on
on Sunday afternoon and um Lydia Co
stuffed a three-wood into a par five to
like six feet and her and Jason Dave
made a birdie I turned it off they ended
up winning that was about the extent of
me watching how did you get into it at
all yeah I popped in for a little bit
every day the the one thing about it
I'll say that was a little bit difficult
as a new viewer to first time ever
having that
tournament uh not knowing exactly what's
what's the format this day because every
day is a different day right scramble
whatever it was so but besides that I
thought I thought it was it was good
golf I I thought it was really cool um I
feel like I saw way more good golf shots
from from the women than the men from
what I watched but uh I think it was was
a big success for everyone and and we'll
see if it grows next year and I kind of
like I kind of like this like a little
stretch in December of um this format
and then the pnt like it's still golf
it's still fun I I made a note of this I
wanted to mention you I saw on Instagram
this was on PJ tour's Instagram um they
posted a bunch of pictures of like some
teams early in the week and they had a
whiteboard and everyone it said um it
said one rule for the week hype song and
one word to describe each other what was
interesting is five of the groups that
they po posted five out of five all had
this one rule for the week and it was no
apologies no sorries no saying sorry
which in all seriousness I think that's
a super relatable thing like yeah if
you've ever played in a team format with
someone there's just like this like if
you hit a bad shot you instantly want to
turn to your partner and say like sorry
or if you miss a putt you want to say
sorry and I think that was cool to see
them level set and be like hey we're
we're each like in this together don't
apologize like please don't do that
don't don't bring that into the group
and I thought that was an interesting
like little Nuance that in a pretty
light-hearted event to see them be like
no sories we're just going to play this
together I think that's a great
mentality for a team event or if you're
Cory Connor no
sories Cory he had a little heater
little heater yesterday yeah turned it
on but yeah I thought it was great um it
wasn't officially part of our Grinders
tour but
um I think I'm not um I don't even want
to do this yeah I'm sorry well I beat
you again but only just buy 100,000 but
really the most important thing to focus
on is the year-long scoreboard update um
we we didn't even neither of has picked
the top two teams and there's in in I
know there's only 20 people right but
you've got about uh just over a million
dollars so far in the year and I'm at
2.75 million so it's all good see me see
me when the C see me when the century
pops off I'll be here when when the when
the guys hit Hawaii that's when Dave
gets hot yeah I've been trying to like
no more getting cute I just pick pick
the pick the horses and and let's move
on actually well you can't no actually
that's what's interesting this has been
once we get into the year we're not
going to be able to pick our Scotties
and our and our Victors we're going to
be back to picking Camilo and whoever
else it's true it's we started this this
idea for picks we said everyone does
picks for the top guys let's do Grinders
people that are outside the top 150 in
the world and I think we had one
tournament where there was even people
outside the 150 playing we went from
Tigers All-Star challenge down the
Bahamas to to uh last week this and then
next week next week we'll get into it or
or this week coming up um the PNC but
just to close out on on last week I
thought the event was so cool it really
made me think do we need some kind of a
solheim cup Ridder cup hybrid that is a
US versus Europe men women challenge I
think that could be some incredible must
SI TV yeah that would be great it would
be great if it
was as intense as the Ryder Cup and
solheim cup are well that's the thing
like the r we already know the Ryder
Cup's intense and the solim cup is
arguably more intense there's been some
crazy Clips over the last 20 years or so
out of that tournament so I feel like
kind of what you're talking about too
the pressure of like don't say s like it
would make things even more kind of
frothy I think that could be some cool
TV so yeah that's a free one for the
tour whoever organizes that which is
Mike W there is no one no the the
whoever runs there is no management at
the Greg Norman get on that would be a
great a great idea for for Liv or some
some Prince whoever who runs golf now so
this week they got the PNC you put this
in our prep do this is the 26th year of
the PNC unbelievable uh I did not know
that it's at it's at the Ritz Carlton in
Orlando so the they just go around
playing The Ritz courses this time of
year I guess if you're going to play a
golf trip just go to a local Ritz in
Florida and there's a good course there
not bad and and we should mention this
is the annual father son tournament or
excuse me father daughter or daughter
father you going to get us cancelled
parent
parent almost said parent uh teacher
human I'm in
that conference yeah no anuko played
with her son he stole the crowd last
year uh tiger and Charlie not playing
they are playing they are playing of
course they are I thought we weren't
going to see tiger they said we weren't
going to see I guess this doesn't really
count no I think they a few weeks ago he
confirmed they are playing
defending champ VJ sing and his son Cass
C okay that's exciting did have you have
you watched this tournament before uh I
watched it last year I bought into the
tiger and Charlie hype um I it's kind of
always on I always see like the sinks
the you know their unit of a family
rolling around I've always seen the
sings um it's one of those that I don't
I don't always see it on but I find my
way like seeing Clips on social media
like Instagram and YouTube and I end up
watching a bunch of it well def hit a
hit a peak last year with Charlie and I
think that's only going to get worse
this year for us tiger fans I should say
it just it's cool to me because um so
much of I do feel like so much of golf
Talent is passed down because like if
you if you grew up and let's say your
dad was VJ Singh like you know golf is
gonna a golf club is going to be in your
hand from from you know the minute that
you're born and you grow up around you
know your your dad is the best golf
instructor because he's one of the top
pros and so
it's cool to me even people that have
not like made it on tour to find out
that so and so's you know son or family
or whatever is is an incredible golfer
that that part is cool to me no
different than like watching other
sports and finding out oh like this
family has you know three kids in the
NFL I think that part of it is cool to
me yeah title sponsor you want to do
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of title sponsor challenge one of the
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now hold on hold on we did we got some
some love we got some love last week
whoever runs the Social account over
there at Grant Thorton specifically the
grant Thorton Invitational page was all
over our our social accounts last week
so I can shout out to that that
25-year-old who who liked that made our
week speak so my first job by the way
when when we worked together at our PR
agency like one of my very first tasks
was like I would have to write tweets
for a
client this 2009 write tweets for a
client send it over in a in an Excel
sheet and they would approve approve
them and and uh I could can only imagine
what I was writing and what they were
approving you you you need a 20-year-old
doing that for you you can't do that
yourself with your internal knowledge I
didn't look this up I didn't look this
up
PNC this is my moment I didn't feel like
it yeah I feel like this is a little
more mainstream of a of um an addition
of this but Dave what does PNC do PNC is
a bank it's got to be a bank is it a
bank yep it's a bank PNC you're on the
scoreboard now finally for three before
that is that a thing PNC Park
Phillies uh Pittsburgh Pirates you
should have really just stopped talking
when you were right anything else you
want to pretend to know about it that's
great so PNC is a bank I almost said
what is PNC Bank and that would have
ruined the whole segment um officially
PNC Financial Services one of the
largest Diversified Financial Service
institutions in the US uh Dave do you
know what PNC stands
for I'm going to guess not since you
thought um they played elsewhere it
stands for Pittsburgh National
Corporation
and oh sorry what does this say all
right Provident National Corporation two
Pennsylvania banks that merg in wait
hold on in 1983 there was two banks that
had the initials PN PNC that merged and
get this they called it
PNC how does that work he like oh we
sold off the PNC like we are PNC see
what the hell are you talking about it's
actually the best the best brand move
you you could have pulled there doesn't
need to be there's no confusion we're
just one PNC now and that Pittsburgh
Pirates that's where um the Pirates play
Dave never seen them never seen a game
is Andrew McCutchen still play for them
you know what I think he does really I
think he played for them forever and
then he left he went to like the Yankees
a bunch of places and I think he like as
of last year went back to them after
years that's hilarious oh that's great
um shout out um we'd love to have you in
the Pod Andrew I hope Andrew come on the
pod
I I don't have a I don't have a gueston
review this week we've been we've been
busy doing uh doing other stuff so let's
just say if you're down in Orlando for
the PNC this
weekend um just have a
beer just have beer any beer Dave yeah
I'm sure it's well I'm sure it's like
whatever they get it's a specific type
for that tournament so Bud Light
whatever your it usually says what like
domestic or whatever for all right let's
do our picks for the
week so there's only 20 people in this
field again 20 teams 40 people um so
who's going first uh you go first yeah
no you go first you could take it you
can just don't take the sinks and you
can go first no I'm just gonna take
tiger because that's what I do every
time he's gonna be I'm gonna tell you if
I have the first pick in any tournament
and Tiger's out there and I'm G to be
watching him I'm going to be rooting for
him so I'm going to take so you have
Woods comma Charlie and woods comma
that's I'm surprised you didn't take the
trinos but
um this is amazing this is the first
time I've seen this field Live actually
wow which is great uh okay I um the Glo
does Glover have any Offspring he could
dominate this with or no dude he can't
play he can't play in this this many
weeks in a row a guy needs to be home
with an IV does he have kids of course
he does he's got like I would think he
might be sterile because of the pants
sweat but anyway go ahead it's an insane
comment this an insane comment uh all
right I got some I got some gangs I'm
GNA go with the longers burnhard longer
oh and uh and his son uh Jason I think
that's his name Jason longer is it hard
to pronounce how does it spell no no no
M my screen like disappeared they
scrolled
away I feel like he's a killer I feel
like the longers are I feel like they're
killers in these
events I like it and he's he's a staple
on the champions tour right he's still
in single sure is event um okay so I get
back toback oh no you get back toback
picks here we get we get confused by the
snake dra draft every single week so we
do we'll get it next week go ahead
you're up you get two in a row all
right this is I don't want to do this
but I got to get on the board some I
should say we record we're recording on
a Monday morning the betting odds were
not out for this yet but I think in past
years were I think the top like five
betting favorit you know what I'm going
to go uh I'm going to I'm going to go
with my guy Patty Harrington and his son
Kieran um reason why Patty's one of
those guys that the more that I've you
know he's always on his YouTube stuff is
great he's Pro he's Pro prolific on
Twitter I've become more of a fan of his
over the years and I would you know
obviously I didn't I didn't pick tiger
because he's overrated um so I'm gonna
go with Patty Harrington good on YouTube
and for that reason he's picking him to
win this tournament this week okay um
I'm goingon to go back to back picks I'm
going to I'm going to take maybe the
betting favorite I would think the
Thomases Justin and his father who is
like a good player in his own right is
he he's like
80 well okay it's it's it's a
scramble it's scramble like a dad that
can putt is like maybe the most valuable
tool in the history of of scramble tiger
and JT and you know they're playing
together definitely oh yeah first round
of course 100% uh and then for my my
last pick I'm going to take Steve
Stricker who I think he won three of the
four majors on the champions tour last
year playing great and is playing for
the first time in the field alongside
his daughter Izzy a recent Wisconsin
high school state champion whoa that's
sick I love that she's a she so she won
the she won the Wisconsin high school
state championship in
volleyball in golf no golf it's
amazing that that what a dream
volleyball come from just I'm just being
a jerk I'm just being a jerk that's
amazing that's I that's like we just had
it such a nice moment recapping the
first ever male female equal pay equal
purse everything's Even Stevens
tournament we got through that without
anything to offend any yeah just as just
as my business is really doing great um
this is the time that's cool that's
great uh okay La for me I'm going to go
with the furic Jim and Tanner furick
just because it's a great name Tanner
furick yeah and you need someone on your
team to choke down the stretch though
good pick do you know he shot 58 once at
the uh at the at The Travelers just
letting you know I think he has a 59 too
it's insane I think he you know he
ruined two Ridder cups uh on Sunday by
completely choking away leads on the
back then he's like the perfect he's
like the perfect guy of that like kind
of in between era like he's made he's
made hundreds and hundreds of millions
of dollars playing professional golf but
like still doesn't hold a candle to to
tiger or others I'll never forget one I
used to work the Deutsche Bank
Championship down here in uh in
Massachusetts when it was part of the
FedEx Cup schedule he came through I
think he was either sick of his putter
they or his flight his airline lost his
putter he went to like a local place in
like the Mansfield Foxboro area found
this like knockoff putter or whatever I
don't think it was a brand name and won
the tournament with it love that how
great is that I love there was like a
story like that like last year I think
Shane Lowry his putter broke he went to
like a local PGA Superstore these guys
they play the same stuff we do man
that's why the ball has got to be one um
all right we got no news so that's
picked for this week I'm I'm actually
excited to watch this and then um yeah
nothing happened no ROM didn't leave the
tour um the tour is not crumbling go
listen to all the other golf podcasts
for for for that they've got great takes
on I'll give you some airtime on this
did did what what bothered you the most
about the the ROM thing the jacket the
jacket the idea that like I'll tell you
what really bothers me about it
is I don't know if we have enough time
for this but live bothers me so like I
don't care go make money go do whatever
I want to see the best players play
against each other because that's what I
like watching I want to see yep when
tiger wed the
90 whenever anyone wins the biggest
tournament I want the best people
involved when people when tiger was
injured for all those years and people
were winning Majors it was still this
like well they're winning but tiger is
not around so so the I know I know the
majors will have everyone but I want to
tune in every week and watch the best
players I agree aside from that this
whole undercurrent of the people who
like live it's kind of like a anti PGA
Tour thing right who are these people
like what whose thing is like I like I
like the destruction of golf that's what
I'm rooting for right it's like what you
you like golf enough to want to watch it
fra like not the best product like
everyone should be against Liv that
likes golf like if you want to consume
the best you want to see the best you
want to hope that everyone works
together and one tour comes out of this
maybe there's a live subsidiary where
they play Team events but who are these
people that are like whenever Liv gets a
player they're like oh and they're
dunking on like the the Twitter it's
it's on tw Twitter is insane if you
scroll on a post and you just there's
like thousands of Liv Defenders I'm like
who are these people but like what what
are you you're just standing like you're
excited about the one tour being like
the PJ tour what's happening to it is
bad for golf there's no there's no other
way to spin it so it's like these ma
masochist that just like to see the golf
world bur Steph Curry if Steph if Steph
left the NBA and like was only going to
play in like the the big
three yeah it's like oh now what are you
going to do they took your player it's
like well you're not even going to go wa
like none of these people are ever going
to watch live so it's just people that
are like hyping upli that will never
watch golf like you wouldn't talk about
a
a league that's just standing on nothing
having said that I did watch uh about
the last 20 minutes of the Liv yesterday
had their um kind of like a promotions
thing it's like a q school yeah kind of
uh fascinating they had four guys in the
playoff going down for three spots so
shout out the actually some Stakes
actually some competition um do you
think that there was a way we we we we
got a wrap so but we'll talk about this
just for we could spend an hour on this
but we got an interview we got to get to
we got an interview we got to get to
we're going to talk about that um but do
you you think there was a way that like
was it if you're John ROM and you take
the money I'm just curious as a as a PR
from a PR standpoint was there any other
way that he could have handled this
where it would have gone better or was
it kind of just like [ __ ] I gotta just
take it like it was so weird the jacket
going on Fox News doing all these like
weird interviews and like not not ever
owning it really like was there a way he
could have approached us that would have
made this better well I
think my honest take of what I think
happen and we even we touched on this a
few weeks ago he withdrew from the
virtual League saying he didn't want to
travel these guys travel on private jets
non-stop it's not a big deal to get to
Orlando right um or wherever they're
gonna have it so that was like a first
smoke signal and then we knew this
deadline was coming up for the agreement
with the tour and and live but what I
honestly think happened is you've we've
been hearing for a while the guys that
didn't go to live who were kind of in
the middle obviously Rory's not looking
for to be con been because he didn't go
to live he he took a moral stance and
tiger a lot of guys were in that camp
Rah was in the camp of like it's not
right for me now but who knows so he was
one of the first guys because of that
reason he was one of the first guys
people were saying this is someone
that's you're gonna probably have to
make whole if you're gonna make this
agreement with with Liv and these guys
are going to come back to the tour
you're gonna have to compensate him
because he you know did the quote
unquote right thing for the tour at the
moment at that time to stay when
everyone was was leaving they were
hemorrhaging top players
if if this I think this might just be a
way to make him whole um look if the
agreement doesn't go through the end of
the year then Liv will have Rah and like
I don't I think that's a good a good
scenario for them they're happy with
that but they're at the negotiating
table they probably threw more money
than Rah ever thought he he could get he
knows like if this agreement goes
through with the tour I'm going to be
back on the tour anyway maybe next year
or a year after that
so what what's the point of taking this
moral stand anymore let me just cash in
because like we talked about uh with
Dave coming up your your golf coach like
the whole moral thing is kind of up the
window so I think he just got to a point
where he said I'm going to be back on
the tour there's no way you know live is
going to be its own thing for for this
long this is a big bargaining chip for
Liv to help make sure the two tours do
end end up merging and he like I'm going
to get the money I I should have got
probably more and then I'll be back
anywhere in a year and I'll play in all
he gets five years exemptions in all the
majors so right it's like no blame like
hedging that all of this is going to
explode and there's going to be one
place to play golf anyway and he went
and got paid yeah so I mean it was but
to answer your your question on the jack
and all that stuff that's all just live
that's when you get paid that much you
do you're putting on whatever the [ __ ]
they tell you to yeah but that it just
goes into the whole thing it's like the
Letterman jacket like the cool like who
thinks that's cool
no one who plays golf thinks any of that
cool thinks anything about the league is
cool team based stuff is cool but like
they go about it so like in your face
and this is like this is what the other
people wouldn't do it's like this this
is not good for anyone no one thinks
this is cool the people think this is
cool are casual golf fans who are going
to abandon you the second they stop
carrying it's right I'm I'm like I'm on
YouTube like watching like how to hit
shallow wedge techniques like should you
chip with your 50 or your 56 that's what
I'm interest I want to geek out on the
golf stuff John RAM and a leather jacket
look looking cool on Fox News is like
but but maybe but that's also funny that
that's what they think is going to
appeal to the to that other the other
wave but that anyway I mean and golf
does need more casual fans right like
I'm a fan of sports I've never played
before but it's I don't know I just
don't know who that's for that that
whole leag yeah all right well we have a
treat uh enough of this nonsense we have
a treat this week week we have the first
guest in the history of this podcast uh
my coach my instructor he's a business
owner and entrepreneur now A friend of
mine Dave Jen kowsky case we we wrapped
up with him before we did this I'm just
curious to hear your reaction to that
conversation I had a I had a lot of fun
I was like man we should maybe bring on
some more guests that was fun he he he
was great um
obviously has had a long history
teaching and understands the best way to
get through to people especially this
day and AG with technology trackman all
that stuff so at some point I'm going to
have to get up there to the golf Garage
in in Vermont um with you get me on the
track embarrass myself but um is that
what do people call it the track is that
a cool ever said that that's like maybe
maybe on live maybe at live they call it
the track yeah all right so enjoy enjoy
this conversation with Dave
Janowski um he was actually just named
the top golf instructor in Vermont by
Golf Digest so good good timing good PR
promo do you want to say something and
speaking of guests we have another guest
we got guests right now uh uh I hope you
watch the the PNC this week uh I hope
root root for me the underdog right you
don't you don't want the guy who's
listen you know going to watch tiger and
JT help me get help me get back on the
leaderboard here's our conversation with
Dave Dave Janowski we this is great this
is big news we got the first guest in
the history of the long game pod Dave
Janowski my friend my golf instructor it
started as golf it started as a guy that
I got a lesson from to then transition
to coach which is a different
relationship which we can talk about now
we're friends he's one of the OG list
ERS of the long game pod Dave Janowski
is here thank you for joining us and uh
case I don't know if this made the way
down to you in the Boston area but uh we
we have the uh number one teacher in in
Vermont recently published in Golf
Digest he's the top top golf instructor
and uh I know why friend of the program
jenko thank you for being here sir
thanks for giving us an honor welcome
what an honor I have to I have to say
first that every time I listen that
intro an outro is it hits right it's so
good I'm looking for that to become an
entire beat of its own I need they
played the long game like the way Trevor
imman says that is so good and it's
amazing we got all those people Stephen
A Smith imman to clear that for us right
you guys are big royaltyfree so shout
out to them I had the company that
produced the podcast hatch they're
always like they're like yeah if it's
like less than and don't this is not
their legal advice they said if it's
like if it's like less than 10 seconds
like you should be good so we got all
those those little Clips it's a great ad
for them for hatch yeah no come on Hatch
uh so jenko's here um welcome welcome
jenko tell us this is big when when
podcasts have their like hund
anniversary episodes they always go back
to guess one so we're gonna have to say
Rory tiger sorry not this week yeah
jenko join the Pod exactly go join the
Pod well we got to keep him around
because um yep I he helps me keep it in
the Fairway and now he's so he's like
connected to my life and has to be and
now he's connected to the Pod so we're
like we're layers deep here but jangko
for um give us that that kind of that
kind of goes into my philosophy of golf
instruction though it's you partner with
somebody you don't just give them a
lesson and let them go because they're
gonna get lost well I feel like even
like you know when I first started going
to you I got an intro from somebody up
here and I was like hey I really want to
work I really want to get better like
when when I moved up here I had some
time I always knew that I needed to get
a Le get lessons get in get in
instruction but I kind of had the
philosophy of like I'm gonna go get a
lesson and this is all going to be
figured out and I got an intro to you I
went to you we we you know we we played
nine holes you were at Burlington
Country Club at the time we go play nine
holes and start going you like once is a
month but now that I see like the type
of relationship that we have and and the
fact that I can go see you weekly and we
talk regularly I mean just the
difference between that and like a
oneoff lesson can you can you just
what's your what's your perspective on
that obviously the more time you have
someone with the better but like you see
amateurs all the time does everybody
kind of come in with this like Quick Fix
mentality like you're going to get an
hour lesson and like we're going to
magically solve all of your your golf
issues yeah I mean My Philosophy is is
to partner with people I don't I don't
really give golf lessons I partner with
people I I my feeling is just going
through the things I've been through in
my life uh with golf being in and out of
golf um you know I had instruction along
the way but I never felt like I had
somebody to partner with and feel like
it took me a lot longer to get to where
I'd like to be um than than now like I
have a coach I have a a gentleman Scott
cows in Canada who who I go who I do
Zoom instruction with regularly and um I
bring that belief into my own game and I
I I feel that everybody needs to have
somebody that they can have as a
resource if you look at anything you do
in life I mean how many things do you do
where you don't have a resource to help
you learn be better do better get better
um and I just feel that you know oneoff
lessons allow you to walk away and then
you're trying to figure out that oneoff
lesson on your own not going to go very
well most of the time especially when
you go on Instagram and YouTube and you
try to weave them all together it's just
okay so you know what he said to me last
last year so last year I been i' gone to
him a bunch right last year he opens up
this indoor facility and and we're going
to talk about that I want to talk about
like you you becoming an Entre
entrepreneur leaving the kind of country
club World opening a opening the
facility the benefits of indoors what's
amazing for me I talk about this a lot
on the Pod is uh it's made golf a year-
round sport for me and we we'll talk
about that but um one of the first
things that you said I said to you I
said look I want to commit I want to go
all in I'll spend whatever like I wantan
to I want to work I want to coach I want
to work all the time the first thing you
said to me was great no more [ __ ]
YouTube I mean you know it can be it can
be great but the the the problem with
YouTube and Instagram is they don't have
any context behind what you are and what
you're doing so there's so many
different ways you can do things but
when you match you know a certain move
that they're making on Instagram with
the club face you have it's just gonna
go really wrong it just like I sent I
sent this like a couple years ago I sent
this like there was this like Brooks
kept and Brooks has this really Bode
like left wrist and I sent this like
slow motion like left wrist video to Jen
on I'm like yeah this is what we're
trying to work on and he's like no
absolutely not he's like Brooks he's
like Brooks plays with a shut Club face
his swing direction is this he's like
please stop watching YouTube and I was
like I felt like I got scolded and that
was the moment when I was like I don't
know what I'm talking about and there
are so many different matchups and
everybody's body moves differently
there's a whole business on YouTube and
you can generate a lot of views but I
think it's it is like anything in life
were like the best Rel go go to see
somebody in person and I don't even go
on YouTube anymore I watch it for fun
I'll watch like professional golf or
I'll watch guys play but I texted you a
question last night and that's how I've
replaced YouTube in my life for that
Reon you know it's you know online um
you know Zoom golf
instruction um these different apps like
as long as you're seeing somebody it
doesn't need to be necessarily in person
like you can see somebody um just keep
it consistent so that the things that
they're working on with you and the
philosophies they have um can be can be
sort of transferred all the way through
like the vision they have for you and if
it's if it's somebody that understands
you in your game like it's never going
to get old you're G to keep building and
moving on but if you get with somebody
who all of a sudden you feel like you're
at the end of the road and you feel like
they're telling you the same things over
and over again uh maybe it's not the
right person maybe you're not being
coached as well as you are being being
taught the Motions of your golf swing so
there there there are a few like you
guys call it the onion layers that you
got to peel back but what I like to do
with my clients and students is is to
you know peel their onion back and see
where they are and Coach them and work
with them um to get them to where they
want to be um and I think that in person
that's great I was having a conversation
with somebody about this the other day
how you can teach somebody
um through mobile apps and zoom and
services um I think it's a little harder
to coach somebody um and that's where
the inperson finding an inperson
instructor is
great yeah I was going to ask that that
your world must must have changed so
much over the last few years especially
with zoom and you mentioned taking
lessons currently on Zoom how does a
lesson differ through Zoom versus is you
know in person what are the things you
be looking for what are the things
you're picking up how do the technology
impact that stuff obviously you're not
going to have the statistics that you'd
have uh in person so H how do those two
differ I think that when you're working
with somebody um through Zoom or or um
you're not directly with them think that
both people need to have language and
they really need to understand what
they're doing and what they're trying to
get
across um I think sometimes that um when
you're working with people through Zoom
or you know through a mobile app um
there can be a little bit of a
disconnect because both people don't
have the same language and context to be
able to reference um that's where I sort
of see the biggest you know challenge
with with you know seeing somebody
remotely what do you think about um I
just had this conversation the other day
F friend of the
program guy that I have done a lot of
business with uh has an overlap in golf
he's been listening to the podcast he's
like yeah I got to get into instru
instruction guy in my he goes the guy
I'm going to go get lessons from this
guy in my area he's old school though
and I said what does what does that mean
and he's like well he's like I know you
go to this guy and you got trackman and
you got video he's like he doesn't use
any of that what's what's your reaction
to that today in in 2023 and not I don't
want to lead the witness here but like
isn't that kind of CRA like hasn't
trackman given us just a whole other
level of coaching that wasn't possible
before I'm just worried about this guy
is gonna go to someone be like here's
how I've always done it here's how the
swing works this is you know yeah you
know I mean just a a little bit of my
background um is I'm in Northern Vermont
I'm I'm literally two miles from the
Canadian border um I grew up in Texas I
grew up on Long Island I grew up playing
Amer Golf and there was a point where I
would I wanted to walk away from Long
Island I'm a skier so I moved up to
Vermont um got in the golf business so I
could be a ski bomb and just work in
golf in the summer um I was lucky enough
when I was back on Long Island to get
some good golf instruction through a
club that my cousin was a member at
because I was I was a Beth Page guy I
was an out east guy like I was just
trying to go anywhere I could to get on
a golf course so when I moved up to
Vermont um I got involved in the
community of golf I started playing in
the Vermont PGA and started making my
way through the industry I realized wow
there's there's you know there's not a
lot as far as golf instruction up here I
couldn't really find a place to get a
lesson so um I although I had some good
lessons when I was younger um I didn't
really have mentors I didn't have a
whole lot of people to go back to to
reference so technology for me has been
a way to do all the schooling for it um
has been a real key way of how I've
figured out how to navigate golf
instruction as well as playing it and
being able to apply those pieces
together so when you go back to the
question of um you know old school I
just feel that there might be a little
bit of knowledge that they're missing
out on because they're not taking
advantage of the new technology and and
number one the schooling that goes along
with it if you're a golf instructor
trackman University um the sports box 3D
app that I use and the schooling I do
for that the the biomechanics and the
you know the kamatics for the body track
and you know all of these different
schools that you do along the way are I
mean the knowledge is unbelievable so
you you couple that with doing some some
schooling and you know I think that's
why there's so many great players coming
from all over the world is because
there's people like me in the corner of
Vermont like you know that that can
access all of this information and you
can be as good as you want to be because
you you know back in the day you used to
have to be in the these little pods
where the top golf instructors were and
where the top players were in order to
really advance so I you know that that's
sort of my feeling about that is you
know old school instruction's great it's
feel there's a lot of you know there's a
lot of knowledge that you can get from
old school but I think just you know
having the new technology and and taking
advantage of the education pieces is
huge yeah you wouldn't recommend someone
go see a doctor that doesn't use like
MRI equipment or something right I mean
100% that's perfectly perfectly put
Casey couldn't say it any better myself
well it's like there's a whole crew of
like you know in the small business
world there's a lot of you know Legacy
small business owners that haven't
brought like software and Technology
into the into the business and I think
track trackman is just another to give
you a perfect example of this right Dave
and I have been working together for
over a year now
regularly yesterday have a busy day with
my kids they put on a movie I pop out
for what I book a simulator time I pop
out from 1 to 2:00 my kids are watching
a movie my wife's H hanging out out at
home I go to the track man him and I I
know what to work on because we work on
these things together and so I start
swinging in a certain way and I see
certain numbers on the track man I'm not
just out there guessing on the Range I
went and I on December 10th yesterday I
got to spend an hour in Vermont it's
snow snowing 6 inches today and got to
go and grind and and get better and
having that IND facility has just like
opened up this this whole new world
jenko for
you talk about the journey from how did
you go from being this you know you are
on the standard path of like becoming a
golf of being in the golf professional
world right you got to work at a club
and I don't mean this in a disrespectful
way to anybody listening but you got to
work at a club you got to fold the
shirts you got to make sure that you
know Sand's bacon egg and cheese you
know comes out on time like you got to
deal with allting handwriting you got
why do they why do the pros have
handwriting could be a podcast in itself
I have so many questions about
that
sucks okay Embrace techology now they
have this way of just putting a TV up
and having it all so the handwriting we
were literally at the pram in Vegas and
I'm watching that we're sitting there
eating after our round I'm watching the
guy come over he's got he's you 60 teams
he's got a write you know Agawam hunt
and he's
like he's got the most per marker in the
history of markers yeah there's no
mistakes that can be made it's it's it
really is impressive to see back in the
day PGA school had a class on
calligraphy get out of here is that true
I don't doubt it I thought you had to
pass a class yeah I am not kidding you
uh but there was a portion of of it that
was
calligraphy
I there's a there's your clip for the
week case that it was not good so so how
when did you when when did you have this
so so now you know like I I yes you're a
golf professional but I also think of
you as an
entrepreneur how did you make this jump
from from teaching at a club to like I'm
going to go start my own business I'm
going to build an indoor facility like
where did that where did that come
from um I mean probably the
biggest uh the biggest driver of it was
was my kids right the the golf industry
in New England for six months is
is incredibly difficult um I give all of
my pj Professionals in New England and
around the country who work in a very
seasonal um atmosphere a a ton of credit
um I really do um so um there's that
piece of it that I think was really
important another piece of it was is
that um I really try to play and keep up
with my game um and in the summer you're
just grinding right and then actually
this is a good can you can you set some
set some context for people listening
about about your game like um just
recent accomplishments you know I I know
you can go deep I've seen I've seen some
competit I've seen some 62s out of you
in tournaments but let's just give
people some context as your ability as a
a
player um I mean well when I was a kid
my I live with my father in Texas and my
goal is to play division one
college golf uh my
family's history sort of had another U
had another idea of of what was going to
happen in my life um so I moved back to
New York and I quit playing for 10 years
um I was in the electricians union
during that time uh in construction and
then I worked for this company artel
electric these four brothers who were
golf nuts and they I owe everything I
have almost today to them because they
one day I get in the the jobbing van and
I'm driving to work actually open the
back door put my tool bag in I see some
golf clubs so I get in the front and in
my New York way John brother John he
66320 pounds I get it and I'm like you
don't play golf and he looks over him
yeah I do in this really deep voice so
we start getting into it um and he's
like bring your clubs and we'll go play
and so
long story short that's how I got back
into the game I quit from like 18 to 28
um and jumped maybe a month or two after
that I signed up for the long on amiter
stroke play and I finished second and so
I was Off to the Races like I was I was
kind of back into it and um I started
getting more and more interested in
playing competitive golf so um that was
eventually I I left New York I moved up
to um Vermont and I got got into the
Vermont PGA and um I I really really
really competitive golf took over for me
um and um playing in Vermont PGA proam I
started to play well and I'm like I I I
started to going down into the New
England section started playing there
getting dusted by those folks down there
and and I could play in a one day I
couldn't play in a two day because I had
this you know swinging
12 degrees to the right 8 degrees to the
right and every once in a while I
couldn't control the face and I'd hit a
crazy hook so um so I just started like
putting myself into you know bigger
situations and trying to push my game
further um and now you know I've been in
the PGA now for about a little over 10
years I've accomplished pretty much
everything you can accomplish as far as
Vermont PGA professional I've qualified
for five uh PGA professional national
championships um that's how I met um
Eric Higgins there Mr Casey's guy from
web hamut super web hannet super good
player um and I I've just been trying to
you know make my way through the
business and and surround myself with
some of the best to try and make my game
better um so I I think you know to
answer your question it's it's gotten to
a pretty good level um it can always be
better I'm about to turn 50 so I'm
trying to push myself a little bit more
so obviously you're playing in a lot of
New England
events how did how did Growing Up in
Texas learning the game in Texas how
does that influence how you see a course
like a New England course and can you
could you tell by playing with someone
else if they you know grew up somewhere
near where you did the style of course
and does that at all such a good
question honestly because I grew up the
reason I swung seven eight out was my
golf instructors down there uh back with
the old balat ball you used to have to
swing trap it keep that thing low keep
it out of the wind or else uh it it
would spin off the Earth so um yeah when
I came back up to New England and
started playing golf there you got
elevated greens front to back you can't
be coming in low with a lot of uh you
know as we call Top Spin or spin axis on
it for that ball to release on you and
go over the green so you had to you know
and the new ball allows you to hit a
little bit more Square um you know be
able to control the spin a little bit
better so you can land it come down with
a little more land angle land it a
little softer um so yeah it it required
a lot of change in my game and my
pattern in order to play in the
Northeast as opposed to down South for
sure the Texas thing that wasn't that
Hogan's Hogan's big thing was a hook too
right he was
Mo most people until Jack I think right
like most people until Jack um really
where they they hooked the ball but he
he was just so strong he could hit at
that little cut and still working hard
case I can't even I can't this is why we
got to do a segment when we're going to
get you up here we're going to film you
because I can't even fathom when I
started going to jenko my swing
Direction was 7 to 10 degrees
left this guy is saying his swing
Direction was 8 to 12 degrees right I
couldn't I could not I can't even
manipulate my B it's so hard for me to
even swing it like three or four degrees
right and I think this goes all the way
back to like ah if you're not if you're
instructor if you're getting if you
don't have that data if you don't have
that calibrated somehow and you're just
out there on the range with some eyeball
it's like man that that information is
so valuable because I don't need to know
the golf swing I can I can go and hit
balls and be like well this this ain't
right and you can start to do that right
like well it sounds like you can leave
homework right like actual homework for
for people to go home and and no doubt
about it you know and you you have these
you know you have you have to have a
certain Club face to make those patterns
work right so you know they they talk
about Club face is King and of course it
is because if if your Club face isn't in
the right position you're going to have
difficulties but when you're trying to
move from eight degrees you know if if
the center of if if zero is the center
of the screen and you take your you take
your hula hoop that you're swinging on
and you tilt it out to the right by 10
degrees you have to have a certain Club
phase for that to come back into the
ball or to come back to the Target so
you know when you start to change that
much um and you get outside and you have
lies and you have wind and you have all
these other factors that play in um it
it's hard to like to move your body in
such a different way and change your
Club face and then believe it right
that's the thing is you gotta like with
technology you buy you you create Buy in
like people like yeah no I don't think
so and I'm like well here look well this
is also the problem right the problem
with YouTube is that it's like
democratized golf or the perception of
golf knowledge and so um jenko's become
buddies with this guy David or who is a
a tour level putting coach and he came
up last winter and he he I got a putting
lesson from him and he he talked to a
group of us and he said um the number
one problem with amateurs is that you
don't know how to take a
lesson and what he meant by that is we
all and and mean you know this is cue
every golf situation like go to any golf
range in America right now and there is
a 12 handicap giving a lesson to his
wife telling her that he knows right and
so so you apply that to like your head
down don't sway like you think you have
all the answers you're you go in and
it's like it's very it's very humbling I
still have arguments with guys that I
play with or and friendly with I'm like
man the track it's a source of Truth and
I think that in order to get better you
need that and it's given like well I've
always heard it this way no I'm
literally we're looking at this data
together and it's it's pretty black and
white right like I always tell like I
tell my juniors that I
coach right when they're frustrating I'm
like hold on hold on you you have to
understand that you chose the hardest
game to play there is so much going on
so if you can't understand that you're
going to have a hard time and it's going
to be difficult to change then bring it
to the golf course maybe there's another
game for
you it's funny I was gonna ask you
um my history my background with lessons
I think I took a handful of them in high
school and I'm I'm currently a 11
handicap I like you I I I well like you
I quit at 18 um After High School I only
quit for about five years you took a
longer layoff than I did but I it took
me a while when I came back to longer to
do everything
Casey well I I I wish I didn't take so
much time off but when I came back to
the game I was probably like a 20 or an
18 and I worked my way down to about a
nine had a few kids back up to an 11 but
uh my big issue always taking lessons
was well I would you know depending on
the person they try to change my swing
and I'm such a I'm a I'm a tall guy long
arms so I'm a real uh big F golfer yeah
I struggle with just consistency on ball
striking but the the biggest issue for
me is I could never take I I could do
whatever the lesson was teaching me
there but I could never take it you know
two weeks later a week later a few days
later to the golf course and remember M
or just have that feedback cycle I was
going to ask you like how do you help
you know once people leave um the golf
garage or wherever you're teaching them
how do you how do you stay on them but
it sounds like track men and like we're
talking about homework that's that's the
way that's a big Advantage from when I
was taking lessons yeah um you know when
I opened my facility I
I I literally left my job at Burlington
Country Club and I was like okay let's
give this a shot we were during the like
right around the
pandemic um might have been towards the
tail end of it my we were we had let we
had moved out of a house about a half
hour from us we bought some property we
were getting ready to build a new house
we're living with my
in-laws I mean life was sort of upside
down and I tell my wife I'm leaving my
job I'm going to open up my own business
and she's like wait a second what so
anyway created by in right just like
student at go God create by in exactly
um well there's also there's also a
certain uh entrepreneurial personality
type that you are which is like I don't
know how but we're going to figure this
[ __ ] thing out and and I need that
pressure to do this no doubt so I just
started I got a buddy of mine owned a
building by me he he was super
instrumental and allowing me to do this
helping me get started but I just
started teaching as much as I could but
always my vision was is that I needed to
have at least one other simulator Bay so
when people walk away from me they have
a place to go work on this stuff so I
created a membership model I have a
keypad access just like a gym and um so
people can walk away and they can come
back in and they can use trackman they
can use the metrics of trackman to work
on their game they understand Hey listen
it's not going to feel good it it is
just not but when you look at these
certain metrics you know you're doing it
the right way so then you can create Buy
in and you can go and continue to work
on that yourself as well um I I deal
with it I know where you're coming from
fi player um you know there's plenty of
people out there like that and I'm not
saying that what I do is g to be always
right for everybody but I will say
that pretty much every person that's
come into the studio and you know I'd
say
99.9% of people that come in Buy in
because they immediately you you ask
them to do something you talk with them
about it you you work through it they
see ball flight change they see the
numbers change and they go okay hold on
my dog putter just really wants to goter
on one second putter this is a dog
podcast this got dogs all the time we
got we got we it's okay it's okay what
you got case what uh what you trying to
get the squirrels sorry guys is that a
is he a golden
doodle he's actually a a regular poodle
but we got him with the what they call
the teddy bear haircut cool I didn't
know that yeah so so so you're talking
about people people coming in there and
and buying in I also
think um
what's so cool about what you've done is
we're up in Vermont man like we're not
down in Florida like you've created this
golf culture and golf you know golf
garage it's it's I could go there at any
I could go there at 8 o'clock on a
Friday night I could go there at 12
o'clock on a Saturday there's almost
always going to be someone else in there
and it's it's not who you expect it's a
it's a young kid an older woman it's a
old two two friend it's crazy and it's
it's so cool like I think one of the
reasons that I've you know felt such an
affinity towards you is not not because
not just because of the instruction but
like what what your building has relit
this flame for me in golf and I quit for
a long time but then also I just it was
so frustrating because you'd be done in
October or November right even down in
Massachusetts you're you know you're not
playing golf from guaranteed December to
April you got to go you know you take a
trip with your buddies in Florida in
March but you play like [ __ ] and I was
like ah this game is so hard what this
has given me now is an all year round an
all year round level and and I I love
playing but I love I love practicing I
love the grind it's given me a it's it's
more about like I don't have I'm not
going to be a a professional whatever I
want to be like a mildly competitive
amateur but it's given me this this
Hobby and I love the this onion that we
talk about and I think what what your
facility has done is created that
opportunity for so many people and you
know you could you could have a couple
for for the the cost of a a low-end gymm
membership you can be in there working
on your game in a controlled environment
and you know you you got your music on
like you know we're in there listening
to Gangstar or or most like we're
hitting balls having fun it's it's
created that level of uh it just changed
my relationship with with golf and I'm
I'm so lucky to to have that right yeah
it it you know my whole philosophy with
the place has been it's golf is now year
round you don't have to put it down you
can come in
and you you by all means you don't have
to be working out of 10 hours a week
it's like if you come in one once a week
for you know those those four months
over the winter or you can do twice a
week and you get a lesson every couple
of weeks just to keep going when when
that snow melts and you get you get
outside you don't feel like you don't
waste especially up here right you got
maybe five months Maybe if you have a
membership somewhere you spend the first
month trying to dig it out of the ground
right right like like ripping up beaver
pelts because the ground is still super
super soggy and and then like my busiest
time of the year is probably June for
instruction because people spent all
winter on on YouTube and on Instagram
like I got it I got it figur it out and
then they go out there and they just let
in the S over and it's like you know ch-
Ching you know people coming in so I
mean I try to like and I'm even working
on that with people that work with me
like I'm trying
to um I'm trying to make this like I'm
trying to take those Peaks and valleys
away and I'm trying to make golf for the
people that work there people that play
golf and ver M trying to just sort of
Flatline it a little bit so it can
become more enjoyable and it's not so
frustrating of course it's always going
to have its times but I mean we can when
with this philosophy new
technology working on your game year
round like it can be a lot more
enjoyable when you get outside I I do
the year round membership so people can
come in in the
summer and hit balls in there right and
you use track man like you're G to get a
lot more out of that than you are going
out buying two buckets of large balls
and being like Oh that good and work on
that field for five of them then hit in
a hosle rocket oh I got a new fi right
like it just it's insanity but when you
when you get and you use the power of
this
technology it's it's it's really kind of
amazing was speaking of technology I
wanted to ask you your opinion on uh the
roll back and all that news that came
out last week no bo but really
specifically
Noh well here we go well I was gonna say
specifically like you've been playing
and teaching for a while but I wanted to
start with where like what at what point
in your golf teaching or even playing uh
career did you start noticing golf
technology making like a significant
difference to the amateur
golfer oh boy that's a good question um
I guess when they went from a pro Simon
wood to a metal
wood when they went from a wound ball to
a to a solid core ball I don't I mean it
it just feels like it's always been been
evolving alongside it's always been
evolving right and I mean you you have
you know what is it lamp Lam pre you got
this I think that's a from now last
thing the kid from South Africa right
now you know the other day you see it on
Instagram you hit it 420 I I I I mean
it's it's unbelievable I mean it's
probably downwind downhill is probably
an air air Runway he's hitting on to but
I mean it's amazing how far people are
hitting it but then again like a lot of
the people that I teach that are hitting
seven iron 90 yards do they need to be
hitting at 75 no so like that's that's
what I'm looking where I'm coming from
if if people are gonna play pro golf and
hit a 400 yards and they're playing for
millions of dollars who I mean for me I
don't really care that much I mean I'd
rather hit a seven iron than a six
iron right or I mean or a six iron
rather than a seven iron I mean it's
just you're going to get more spin be
able to can you know be able to land the
ball a little bit more vertical so I
think that according to the USGA golf's
governing body in the United States the
average male amateur golfer hits driver
yards
Bingo right I mean that's what we're
talking about here and
I don't know I don't know you know
there's so much going on in the golf
world right now with I mean it is just
insane is this the right time that's
exactly what I said you pick the better
time than right now do we need another
divisive thing in the world of golf it's
crazy do we really need to do this right
now USGA I I don't know maybe that was a
strategy maybe that strategy hide it
hide it under there sounds like a very
thing to
do hi hide it Buried buried in the
Meadowlands somewhere right buried in
the Dave and I have a PR background
that's that's what we would look I mean
if the the golf golf has been like you
talk about the Saudis and sports watch
it's been washed that's already it's
happened it's already
over yeah it's amazing about face
everyone's done on that this is why look
uh the frustrating thing is like that
there's going to be some impact on a
small number on amateur golfers but like
like ah I hate I don't really care I
love golf now I'm all in I'm going to
play this damn game regardless of John
ROM going to live regardless of whatever
they do with the golf ball like I'm I'm
going to play golf and so like I've had
a hard time like formulating a strong
opinion on this other than like damn it
I'm still gonna get out there and go
play and I don't care give me an old ass
set of clubs and I'm still gonna go have
fun and try try to go play but yeah no
doubt about it and because to me it's
like it's like the like if we had a good
if we had a good group if we had the
four of us we threw balls on the first
te we were playing in nassa 5510
everybody's having a good time like give
me the old ping I2 irons or whatever
right and we're g to go have a fun a fun
time with it yeah I mean at the end of
the day I mean the the more you can do
to make people enjoy themselves the
better the sport is I mean and and the
better off it is for everybody that
plays it so you know I think that
uh a lot of what's going on and you know
golf means so much to me because it
pulled me out of like a whole that was
my life and I moved up to Vermont and
and golf sort of gave me a new life and
things have just like really gone well
you know um I was I was gonna ask you
about that actually I thought that was
golf industry a nice little a nice
segment because like we talk about the
like in the long game like it's it's
about about more than the PJ tour it's a
long game and you're somebody who golf
so personally has impacted your your
life I just want to chat about that 100%
you know and then you know and then you
know I see like how much golf means to
me and what it's done for me giving me
another chance sort of um you know to to
restructure things and and get my life
kind of on track and you know be able to
to have the wife and family I have now
you know uh my I'm up here all the way
in the Northeast Kingdom my daughter
like I go I ski with her all the time
she's in the ut10 program at Burk
Mountain Academy which put out Michaela
schiffrin um is a world class place um
and and I was able to get in this world
because of golf and when I see all of
this stuff it's like come on like this
is not what the game is about like this
is not what it means to people um it's
just getting it's kind of
getting I hate to use the word gross but
in a way like the stuff is getting gross
like stop already with with the
divisiveness and all the money and all
the it's like like let's do things to
just make people like enjoy Golf and
make it about golf again totally and
that it this will be my last thing on
the roll back because I know everyone's
sick of talking about it but that was
kind of my take on it last week was I
was against it but I didn't care at all
about whatever distance I'm going to
lose it's the average golfer has been
attacked so much in the last year two
years first on the on the consumption
front right like we're gonna fracture
the the sport you're not going to watch
your best uh your favorite best players
play against each other so the golf
viewers been getting kicked around a
little bit the last few years but to me
the timing of the golf rollback stuff it
seemed like it was just a negative thing
now were coming for the amateur
golfers you know your own Saturday game
and the messaging was poor and I know
it's not going to have the impact on on
people of that level but I just thought
the Optics of it was wrong and uh it's
there's never been a better time to be a
golf consumer but everything else seems
to be crumbling around the sport so
frustrating times and you know to that
point you know to that
point when was it like this out of
last um you know the last time it was
like this was the tiger boom right and I
think the golf industry got really wrong
they didn't learn how to how to keep
people and track people the game and
keep them there and I think that what
I'm doing my facilities and what many
other people in the country are doing
with their facilities is that we're
offering people a a different route to
go like there's plenty of people that
love indoor golf there's a lot of Gamers
out there that would rather play indoor
golf it's really fun right it's not yeah
it's not it's it's not all about the
Crusty guy sitting at his Club who wants
to go out and be you know you know be Mr
knowt all it's like we need to do as an
industry we need to grow and all these
things like we have such a Tailwind
and all these things are doing is
creating a headwind for the game when
it's like so prosperous so I'm not I'm
not buying in I'm creating a new way for
people to enjoy the game to work on
their game get better at the game and
you know I'm I'm I'm just gonna keep
that Tailwind going for love that and
and it's like it's it's ey effect it's
almost like politics at at at a level
which is like um you can get caught up
in the macro but it's like the people at
the local like what's happening at the
local level and so for you you've
created this amazing little Golf
Community and are continuing to do that
in Vermont and that's why one of the
reasons why we wanted to have have you
on it's cool look I got a hundred notes
I already wrote down we're going to have
you back on because I want to talk about
the game mentality en course first track
we're gonna do more don't worry don't
worry we're gonna have you back we're
gonna we gotta flip over we got to do
some stuff while you're on here we got
to flip over and do um we're going to do
inner OB and we have some listener
emails that we specifically wanna want
to cover while uh while you're here
um we have this inner OB that we've been
saving for a little bit and uh inner OB
if you're not familiar it's a segment
it's a little like buy or sell is it
inner OB um I'm gonna ask both of you
guys uh jenko you can go first here
since you're our guest today uh in or OB
uh does a hole in one on a par three
course count you and me we're going to
Pinehurst we're going to Pinehurst in
March if I stuff one there at the Cradle
56 yard little little you know little 56
wedge for me hole in one do I count that
or is it not
counting um well coming from a guy who's
never had one I take a hole in one on a
on a a putt putt
course I mean I've been playing the game
forever I'll take a hole in one wherever
I can get it how do you not have a hole
in
one how who is it who what did you do to
the universe you hit it too damn close
to not have a hole in one how is that
possible my grandpa had 13 of them he
took them all for the f
family yeah Davey just back left-and at
the back of the hole he used to hit
these laser beams he couldn't hit it out
of his shadow off the tea but once he
got inside a buck 50 it was just
straight on the stick so I'm saying I'm
saying in I'm saying putt putt hole in
one counts all right in I promise you I
was gonna answer this way before you
started this but as someone who does
have a hole in one I'm out on that
because I want to protect the hole in on
come on man the real one so no that's
out I'm out on that I mean that's just
like that's that's just like the that's
just like the uh the golf ball roll back
we were talking about if you hit at 400
you don't care if you hit at 120 so so
so this is I I don't know I haven't told
a story in this pod but um I'm actually
in between you guys so I have one but I
was eight years old playing a par three
course with my grandparents down in
Florida I hit a driver with them went in
but like I want one now I want I want
huh what was the yardage it was probably
like you know 106 yards kind of wind uh
it was into the wind I'm not a good wind
player we can talk about that later but
I want one now I want I want like the I
want like protecting this hole in one
over there yeah I actually know a few a
few people with hole in ones on on par
three courses at a young age like you
Dave so I count that I think there's a
there's a cut off I think all right here
here's here's the here's what I'm GNA
say will will differentiate it were you
in the newspaper yes yes yes okay I'm
counting that as a home in in Boon Beach
Florida if you're young enough to
qualify as like this is Vanity news like
yeah I'm counting it deal jenko we're
gonna get you we gotta get one if Dave
gets one on at the at the Cradle when
you guys go down I'm not counting it all
right it's a cradle home one though
which will be electric case you got to
inter OB yeah but you but you also got
by everybody on the golf course drinks
no I hate that rule terrible rule that's
I got mine in a tournament with an open
bar a while I've been there a couple of
times when you get on the par three
course you come to number eight there's
a bar there oh some every once in a
while you roll up and they're just like
what do you want to drink it's on you
know the guy that's on the fifth hole
right now just had a hole in one he's
got an open bar it's a ridiculous role
best thing that ever happens to you in
your golf life is a financially
crumbling thing well I'm not even a I'm
not even a cheap guy I'm happy to buy
you drinks I just think it's ridiculous
that I got the whole anyway separate
separate conversation case you got to
inter OB well this could be a good
conversation you better put a note down
on
that I know I know I know there's this a
whole there's a whole hole we could go
down that's right we could go down that
path all right I I got a quick one so
first let me get your take on this does
everyone like to play by
themselves
bve you go up by yourself who's
first uh one of the Daves I I did for a
while and now now I don't and I don't
like to play by myself and the reason
why is because where I play at it would
be a [ __ ] 7even hour it would be
impossible and not enjoyable good point
um I I don't like to play but I like to
practice by myself I like to go out in
the evening um when I was working at a
club or you know that when I go to the
local place by me once in a while I like
to just go out there and yeah it's kind
of nice to just kind of get in your own
head a little bit work on different
shots and do well that's that's actually
really important this is not to hijack
this but this is really that's a thing
that you you told me to do this year and
I I wouldn't call it playing by myself
but like when we when I was working on a
specific field and t- shots that were
hard I would go out to like say six hole
at Vermont National or something there's
a bunk bunkers on the left there's a
there's water on the right I would hit a
spinny cut I'd have to feel like I'm
swinging out to the right and so there
there's a huge difference between onc
course practicing which is much it's not
playing by myself but there's so much
value that I see now in like going out
and trying to hit specific shots on on
the golf course right yeah you're GNA go
in I mean especially in that situation
you're just going to go into like
automatic mode you're gonna sort of shut
your brain off and go back to your old
pattern that you've been you know
swinging the club with for years and
years and years it's going to be hard
for you to feel like as you're
transitioning you know into a certain
part of your lead foot feeling a little
bit of like right side Bend little right
side tilt in your body trying to get
that plain uh your arms a little more
behind you so you can swing the club out
in front of you have a different Club
face like into the wind playing with
your buddies for money bunker left like
how do you do that no you gotta go out
there why why why are you ask case
well I ask I I love playing by myself
especially now that I have kids I can
get out at 7:30 on a Thursday and be
home in three and a half hours maybe
less um but the reason I ask is I like
when I go out early and I play by myself
I can fly I like to play with headphones
in so my question in in or out
headphones on a golf I can't if you're
if you're not holding up people I'm not
talking about that if you just your
first one out you get the whole course
to yourself um in or out on that
absolutely this is it's not knock on you
this is a
personals personally
airpods part of being out there part of
being
imagine the cans on yeah they probably
think I'm like mowing or something you
have hey buddy they got an antenna on
them hey this guy a member who is this
guy so I I was a huge a huge fan of
playing with with headphones until an
incident this summer I was out by myself
and I almost got attacked by like a
family of turkeys I know turkeys don't
seem threatening but they'll scale scare
the [ __ ] out of you at 7:30 in the
morning uh and then like a week later my
course put out a a um Instagram of like
a black bear on the same hole where I
almost got attacked by the turkeys so
now I don't do that anymore but I'm sure
there's a lot of um predators that will
take you down in Vermont as well but I I
don't know when you practice Dave do you
do you ever any any headphones um you
usually usually not I try to I just
enjoy being being out there it's a it's
like recently I've actually switched in
the last six months so I don't I don't
run with headphones either and there's s
something like once you get into a
rhythm just being out
there I'll I'll chip I can chip I can
chip around I'll chip around maybe catch
up on a podcast but uh I'm I'm GNA say
that's OB for me running without
headphones is that's no no that's when
you that's when you get deep that's when
you that's when you really find out
what's going on in that mind of yours
when I run every step is just pain it's
just like this sucks this sucks that's
why if I if I you you'll see me probably
like one day just jogging with a
basketball dribbling because it's like
the thing that got Mo I got to move us
along we got a listener email and we're
we're reading this because jenko's here
uh this email came in from z uh zg hold
on a second I gotta go back to the the
the the head the I never got go in or OB
hold on a
second we gotta we gotta slow your roll
here hey let me get up let me get a pork
roll egg and cheese go ahead DA's got a
lesson no sausage egg and cheese over
easy Taylor
ham that's Jersey okay my bad my bad
that's
Jersey that's Jersey uh the in OB
headphones I would say OB just because
when somebody hits when somebody hits
that Mighty hook or slice and you SC
here Casey almost got attacked by so you
don't have turkey related uh turkey
related concerns got it um can I ask
real quick Dave just one more yeah so
last week we had a pretty contentious
one where I asked Dave um something I
saw online would he rather play at his
local course with Phil Mickelson or
Augusta National by himself he said well
I won't even I'm I'm sure you heard but
Dave um your your take on that
uh my take is a gust by myself all day
yeah right and you run with headphones
too right yeah noral person I can't
stand I can't stand to listen to myself
your thoughts gasping gasping for
air just wanted to make sure so I'm the
So speaking of which so the so uh I'm
I'm playing I'm playing Green Hill and
Worcester with Phil Michelson you guys
can have your have your fun at
Augusta we we have't we had a section
event at Green Hill I I I wasn't able to
make it to it so look I I've played
enough golf with you now if I could have
you miked up playing that course that
would be a content of its
own all right maybe we'll have to do
that as a segment that would be fun oh
all right here we got so so case good
good job good good podcasting there we
got a listener email related to that
question Casey asked me would I rather
play austa solo or local mun with Phil
this emails from zg Dave you can have
Augusta Dave you can have Augusta I
don't want any part of it Gart all right
I'm on team Casey and now team jenko
here I'm lucky enough to have played
some top 100 golf courses and played
some rounds with professional golfers
meaning I'm an insurance agent okay I've
played with your boy Patrick Klay I've
played with Bubba Watson Etc it's
overrated they suck in person especially
your boy Klay I'd rather walk the Epic
course it's Unforgettable I have no
desire to chat with Phil zg and he sent
in a picture of him in Project Pat can't
lay that's that's real that's definitely
Patrick
Klay so or what a cutout would you know
the difference uh I mean he looks like
he could be dead at any time like he
could be a it could be a Frozen version
of him at any time so that's fine great
email all right case why don't you set
up the other one I texted jenko those
the pictures of those the ball markers
and yeah we got another one um someone
whose dab was going on a golf trip to
some
friends uh an older dad said my pops is
inventorying the bag in preparation for
a golf trip to Florida is 54 balls not
not all pictured we'll have to post
these pictures and 28 divot tools enough
for a three-day trip Dave any uh as as a
as a pro um yeah what would you what
would you say here this is our ASA Pro
uh segment is is 54 balls and 20 28
divot tools too much enough just right
what do you think well if he's going to
be handling his bag the entire time by
himself I would say go for it but as a
as a golf professional when that guy
shows up it's a
nightmare I've seen some people that
show up this guy's got 20 clubs like I'm
here for my Lon hting a lot of greens
and regulation and repairing a lot of
ball
marks also the the the picture of the
balls is like it's L every one of those
balls would pass the roll back though
you there's getting ahead of it unreal
if you're if you have a caddy carrying
that what's the tip doesn't even matter
the course it's really about the bag
$4,000 $5,000 you don't the the cat's
not carrying that bag he's got another
bag in the back that he pulls out and
throws his clubs into yeah yeah that's
that's that's out of the question
another great email though so thanks
keep those coming keep them coming long
gamepod gmail.com Dave Janowski owner of
golf garage friend of the program we're
going to have you back a bunch of times
and what's the socials people should
follow social is let me let me I'm I'm
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helper he's he's he's great he's great
at the golf stuff uh it's golf
garage I think is it golf garage VT yeah
and then jenko unor golf coaching that's
right hit him up he's going to post
thanks for being a big supporter of the
Pod or as my dad would call it the blog
the blog you guys have you guys it's
it's so nice to have a blog like this
like nor like normal people from outside
the uh the world of South Florida can
can put something together that might be
interesting for people to listen to yeah
well this is going to be you know we
we'll have you back I got a bunch of
hats we got to bring down to the to the
golf course to support the Lo the login
po all right let's do it I enjoyed it
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