Another Zelda Podcast

In this magical Top Ten countdown, David and Kady explore the most powerful sorcerers, magicians, and spellcasters across the Zelda series. From the iconic villains who bend reality to their will, to the quirky side characters dabbling in charms and potions, it’s a spellbinding tour through Hyrule’s most mystical figures. Which legendary magic user will take the top spot?


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Creators and Guests

Host
David Geisler
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Host
Kady Roberts

What is Another Zelda Podcast?

It’s a secret to everybody. | Another Zelda Podcast is a show wherein we talk about all things regarding The Legend of Zelda series!

David Geisler:

Hello and welcome to another Zelda podcast. My name is David Geisler and I'm here with my co host Katie Roberts. Katie Roberts, how are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm doing great. Have you always said my last name?

David Geisler:

I go back

Kady Roberts:

and forth. Okay.

David Geisler:

I go back and forth. If I say David Geisler then I sometimes say Katie Roberts.

Kady Roberts:

Alright. Fair enough.

David Geisler:

I'm David Geisler your host and I'm here with my co host Katie. See, it doesn't quite doesn't quite it doesn't have the same

Kady Roberts:

No. I I think it's funny because I listen. I got nothing against my last name. However, I I'm around a lot of people with cool last names, you included.

David Geisler:

So We've talked about this. Was it on a real episode or was it during the Magical Sword People segment? Can't remember. Lord

Kady Roberts:

knows, but

David Geisler:

I think it on a real episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's just like David Geisler and

David Geisler:

Robert's. Robert's. Geisler's cool. I've talked about how it's technically derived from German for goat herder or something. I don't know if it's an exact translation.

Kady Roberts:

My roommate's, her last name is Blascovich.

David Geisler:

Oof. Yeah. Oh my You need to be an actor or a screenwriter with that last name. But the one thing that I've actually realized recently, I was kind of going through my family tree, seriously I'm not even doing a bit right now, Michelle and I were kind of looking at it because we're going camping. We're going camping in my family's homeland of Prairie Du Chien in Wisconsin in a couple weeks so a lot of my ancestors are there, but there's no real Geisler's and what it is is Kenosha where much of my current family is, it's all from my mom's side, so it's all the Rakowskis and my dad is the Geisler, so Geisler became our name.

David Geisler:

And in Prairie Du Sheen, it's all about the Arns, a h r e n s. They were like a big milk farm and stuff. That's where my family's roots, my dad's family's roots come from. So he was, you know, I think no, no, guess he was Geisler because of his dad, but my grandpa was, if I may, just this kind of like lone dude with the name of Geisler that came into Prairie Du Chien and married into this family of Arneses. It's so funny because my actual family connections are the Rykowskis and the Arnes, and I feel very close to both sides of the families or whatever and there really aren't any Geislers to be found and it's so funny how the patriarchy has just kind of stamped that name right into our thing even though I identify more with the Arnes and the Werkowskis.

David Geisler:

But anyway, I digress. Intriguing. I know, right? I was realizing that because I was telling Michelle, like, Oh yeah, we're going go camping here. This is my great aunt and great uncle wearing boas, my grandma's buried, blah, blah, blah.

David Geisler:

It's a part of Wisconsin where the Wisconsin River and the Mississippi River come together. It's a very beautiful little area. Iowa is there, but what happened was because those two rivers came together, they created this thousands of years ago. It's also the area where the glaciers didn't scrape Wisconsin, so it's very, very hilly and there's all these valleys, but there's all this beautifully laid sediment of dirt that the rivers have deposited at this intersection, which makes it really good for farming. Hence all the farmers So I have slight farming connections in my past too Katie, but it's more like three or four generations before me, not so much.

David Geisler:

Maybe two generations before me where you literally lived it, didn't you?

Kady Roberts:

I did. We were goat farmers. Was great. I miss it.

David Geisler:

So what are we talking about today? And then we can get into our listener feedback and also the way we look. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

We are talking about our top 10 sorcerers and wizards and just general magic users within the Zelda games.

David Geisler:

It was hard at first and then all of sudden it was like rapid fire. I found so many.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I hit up a lot of different little books, a lot of different wikis, a lot of different lists lists to kind of think of what I wanted to do and then I was like, oh yeah, I have a lot of honorable mentions now.

David Geisler:

I see. I was going to talk about this too. I have so many honorable mentions that I almost want to invert my list and my honorable mentions. I'm not

Kady Roberts:

going to,

David Geisler:

after I got done with it, I liked my honorable mentions almost more than my list that I was like, but I'm gonna leave it how it is, and so be it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I do not like my honorable mentions more than my list. That's why they're there. However, I do think one of my honorable mentions will make you laugh, it's near and dear to my heart.

David Geisler:

That's cool. The reason I liked my honorable mentions more was because I feel like my list is like really good picks, honestly, but they're all kind of in a similar category. Yeah. And I realized, oh, that's not quite as exciting, you know? But anyways, we'll get there.

David Geisler:

For now, hey, you have pink hair again. Yeah. So Well, guess I guess it was red a few months ago. Was really it was more like

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So I dyed my hair red. All right. I dyed my hair red like a month ago, month and a half.

David Geisler:

And I haven't seen you in a month. That's interesting. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Looked amazing. I have some pictures online. It was not this color. It was like fire bright red all Yeah. I'd used the dye before, all good.

Kady Roberts:

I went home, it like my face feels itchy. Had hives all over my body and my arms were swollen. I had a severe, well, not like a severe allergic reaction because I'd like anaphylaxis, but I had one so bad I had to go and get an allergy shot because it would not go away.

David Geisler:

Wow.

Kady Roberts:

So my hair looks like this now because I literally had to strip it with Dawn dish soap to try and get the color out.

David Geisler:

Fascinating. Mean, looks great. It's kind of like there's a gradient to it right now. Thought it was by design.

Kady Roberts:

So I ended up going, I told you, a little off stream. I went and did a Off skin stream. Off stream, off mic, whatever. It's cool.

David Geisler:

It's cool.

Kady Roberts:

I went and did an environmental allergen test for the first time yesterday.

David Geisler:

Well, while we were setting up, you told me about that, I didn't realize it was connected to the hair situation.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, because I was like, what's going on? Which apparently she thought it was a bunch of different factors and I guess I just have sensitive skin and that just made my body freak out because I'm not allergic to anything in it. But I am allergic to dust, autumn plants, and most plants, but you know, and feathers.

David Geisler:

Wow. Did they do all the little shots or all the

Kady Roberts:

little grabs? They did of them on my back, which if you've never done one and have been nervous to go, it doesn't hurt when they do your back. It feels like just like a fork touching you. But then nothing really came back on my back. So they did the 17 most popular allergens on my arm.

Kady Roberts:

That kind of hurt because it was like 17 little itty bitty shots.

David Geisler:

They prick it into your skin?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, have to go under the first layer. And that's when I got little bug bites, basically, like I had mosquito bites. And that's when they could tell, like, okay, you're allergic to this stuff. But I'm going go back for food one because I keep finding foods I'm allergic to and I'm really excited to do the food one because that isn't anything on your arm. Just your back, so I'm like set.

Kady Roberts:

And my parents are very nice and paying for it, so I don't have to worry about the medical bills either. Good. But that being said, I'm a constant my roommate calls me a Victorian child because I'm constantly sick. So I also currently have an ear infection I'm working through.

David Geisler:

You're just building up your immune system, Katie.

Kady Roberts:

No. The problem is I have an immune deficiency. So I'm constantly

David Geisler:

Oh really? Yeah. Wow.

Kady Roberts:

So I'm constantly going through it. But I'm here and I'm happy.

David Geisler:

I'm happy you're here. Yeah. You look great. Thank You're literally glowing right now with your pinkish reddish hair

Kady Roberts:

and

David Geisler:

all

Kady Roberts:

And the your mustache looks great.

David Geisler:

I have a mustache. Yeah, into it. Love it.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. It's given like old school cop vibes.

David Geisler:

We're we're Oh, check this out. Oh, I'm gonna switch to my aviators. Boom.

Kady Roberts:

There Yeah. You go. Yeah, this is like 80s cop. Love

David Geisler:

it. Ma'am. Alright. Yes, yes, yes. We're taking a while to get in here, it's nice to catch up a little.

David Geisler:

I got a mustache. It's fun. I switch my facial hair a lot. Sometimes I'll do the goatees or the beards. I usually think I have like a of like a light beard.

David Geisler:

But anyways, I've had the mustache for a couple months. I'm actually loving it. I'm going to keep it for a while. Think, if I may well Michelle really likes it and I think it kind of gives me a little bit of a little

Kady Roberts:

kind of

David Geisler:

dapper look. I'm kind of into

Kady Roberts:

like it.

David Geisler:

Let's get into our listener feedback.

Kady Roberts:

Absolutely. Did you want to start? Do want me to start?

David Geisler:

I don't know. You've got it in your hand. We have five of them. Why don't you do it? You read three.

David Geisler:

I'll read two.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. I'm going to start with this one. It's over on Instagram from I think I'm gonna try and pronounce this name because I pulled it up on Google, because I have a hard time I can't read it. I think it's Nimanya, I think is this person's this guy's name. Anyway, it is specifically in response to top 10 oh, it's a little blurry.

Kady Roberts:

What does it say?

David Geisler:

Oh, it is blurry.

Kady Roberts:

A is

David Geisler:

that? Nope. We don't have the title. Oh, top 10 shrines. Shrines.

David Geisler:

Thank you. That's an old one. Holy moly. That's a season one.

Kady Roberts:

Top 10 shrines. Hey, guys. Many support and regards from Serbia just on this episode of your podcast. Literally found it a few days ago. Love listening to you.

Kady Roberts:

I thought that was very cool because I love seeing all the people listening from all over the place. It's so weird to think that it's kind of that widespread.

David Geisler:

I remember when I first started in season one when our analytics showed that people were listening all over the world and when we started getting feedback from all over the world. But it still kind of surprises me every single time. It's cool. It's cool. Okay.

David Geisler:

Here we go. This is over on Apple Podcasts, it looks like. And from kade6000, we have a five star review, and it says here, best podcast exclamation points, green heart emoji. I just started listening after the Ocarina of Time three d episode, which was, of course, our first episode for this season Mhmm. Because I wanted to see if it was a good game or if I should play the Nintendo 64 version.

David Geisler:

Yes. Fantastic. I just started playing Legend of Zelda, and I started with Breath of the Wild, and I'm working my way down just like Katie. Oh, cool. I love how you guys are connected to the Zelda cast.

David Geisler:

Oh, yep. Wonderful. We love Zelda Dungeon. We're good friends with or at least I would consider I used us them to

Kady Roberts:

20 fourseven. Much appreciated to them.

David Geisler:

Yeah, you just got back from their Zelda Dungeon marathon, which was a blast. Okay, Okay. And I now know a pod I definitely will add to my library. Fantastic. I hope it's us.

David Geisler:

I'm joking. Thank you so much for making this and I would be ecstatic if you were to read this on listener feedback. Remember, it's dangerous to go alone. Take this. And there's about 30 green hearts and a green checkmark.

David Geisler:

Kate six thousand, thank you so much for that five star review over there on Apple Podcasts. We certainly appreciate it.

Kady Roberts:

This one is by Rebecca over on Instagram and it's specifically in response to you posted a picture of us when we were eating and going over our plan for this season.

David Geisler:

Yeah, I've talked about this on some of our Patreon episodes. But yeah, when we were kind of getting our season set up here, we had a few episodes into season seven. And pretty quickly, I think because you and I realized that we were able to get together fairly often now that we're almost literally neighbors, that we could kind of go back to the old model of season one and two where we could plan the whole season out ahead of time instead of just scraping and scraping and trying to come up with stuff. We sat down for about two, three hours, you and I, at West Town Bakery over here.

Kady Roberts:

Such good food there.

David Geisler:

It really was fantastic and we both had our iPads and we hashed out the rest of the season. We know, you and I right now know, all the what every single episode will be all the way up to episode 22. We might even have a 23 in there, 22 of this season. Yeah. So that's fun.

David Geisler:

So yeah, posted an Instagram post and what, someone commented?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, you posted it just saying like, we're coming up with the new season, any requests for episodes Oh. So Rebecca says, our r r record is her tag, deep dive on musical themes throughout the series. Some of the main themes were introduced in A Link to the Past and Ocarina and were often featured in pre Switch games. But I will look forward to any topics. Always love your episodes, Green Heart.

Kady Roberts:

I love new music episodes. We all know this.

David Geisler:

Has to happen. I think as you get a couple more games under your belt, Katie, we'll do exactly like the listener requested. Are repeating themes where it might be Zelda's Lullaby haven't noticed it. Or all nine of its versions or whatever, you know what I mean? Or the main theme or Hyrule Field theme and how it gets reinterpreted.

Kady Roberts:

I will say, I have a list on my phone of all the Zelda games I've played, all the ones I still have to play, and then if I own them or whatnot. And I was really excited because I ended up just preemptively marking off Phantom Hourglass last night because I'm on the last boss. Yeah. And I'm making amazing progress. I'm very happy.

Kady Roberts:

I think I have like I'm like halfway through all the games now.

David Geisler:

I think including every single last little handheld game and all the rest, I think you're just cusping over playing half the games. You've played most of the mainline console games at this point, which is something to be said right there. Yes, I think it's great. I think this is so exciting because there's a few there's I haven't finished Oracle of Seasons and I haven't finished A Link Between Worlds and I haven't played Spirit Tracks and those are my three, but otherwise I've played every Zelda game and, or completed every Zelda game and I'm so happy that in some ways I can speak to that and in other ways you're kind of like you represent another section of our listeners that maybe have discovered Zelda recently.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And then they can kind of go back into the library. Alright, over here, let's see. This was this might have been on oh, is this literally an email? Oh, I think it is. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Actually an email to another Zeldapodcast@Gmail.com by from Luca H. And, Luca here says, hi, ZP. Been a fan of the show since 2019 and love Zelda. It would mean so much if you gave me a shout out or just emailed me. So, yeah.

David Geisler:

Well, here's the shout out and maybe I should reply to the email, Luca. I'm so sorry. We have a siren in the background if you can hear that. I apologize. We have the windows open today.

Kady Roberts:

And they're just the the Chicago ambiance.

David Geisler:

Yeah, well, and then there's the horns Yeah. All we need is an L train going. Nice enough for

Kady Roberts:

you to fall asleep too, right? We got one last one.

David Geisler:

Thank you so much, Luca.

Kady Roberts:

Okay, thank you, Luca. We got one last one. It's from Becky Hart with like an actual heart emoji. This on Instagram, it's also on that same post about any requests for episodes. Becky says, Tears of the Kingdom mysteries, theories are just top ones.

Kady Roberts:

Example, what the heck is going on in the Gerudo Depths? What is the bubble frog? What are the statues in the depths? Where is Cast?

David Geisler:

Yeah, that's a good one.

Kady Roberts:

I would love to do, even if it's just a bonus episode, like a theories episode or like a headcanon episode, I feel like that would be very fun.

David Geisler:

With us hearing that for the most part Tears of Kingdom won't be getting a direct sequel, there is so much that'll probably be left open to interpretation. It'll be a lot of fun to do that. That's a great idea. If we have an episode in our list that ends up coming to be that we can't produce it or something, I know we got a quiz episode in there and stuff like that, I think that's a great one to do. And then maybe season eight is where we try to do the music one.

David Geisler:

We've to get a few more games, like I said, under your belt. And there it is. All right, Katie. Yeah. I am ready for to build our top 10 list of magicians and or sorcerers.

David Geisler:

Yes. For you, what was the criteria?

Kady Roberts:

I kind of broke it down into magic users that

David Geisler:

Magic user, baby. I'm so sorry. Had to

Kady Roberts:

do the

David Geisler:

community reference.

Kady Roberts:

Magic users, basically, is kind of what I narrowed it down to. People that have magical innate abilities or that they have something that causes them to have magical abilities, but it's not that they can just do one thing with them.

David Geisler:

Oh, so there's an implied skill set. Yeah. I like that. Yeah, that's cool.

Kady Roberts:

So they have to have been able to do at least like two or more things. So a lot of these on my list are people that have been seen doing a lot of different magical things.

David Geisler:

Fascinating. I love it. For me, I think I just went with I went more in the sorcerer line. And then some of them are magicians and even my I'm kind of glancing at my is there anyone here that can only do one thing maybe one of my honorable mentions can only do one thing but I don't know we'll see

Kady Roberts:

no that's alright.

David Geisler:

Cool. Anyways, why don't would you be willing to share your fifth favorite? Yeah! Vetition and or sorcerer?

Kady Roberts:

So, my fifth is I feel like everyone, when you think of it, topic, you think of this charactercharacters. Mine is Twinrova.

David Geisler:

Oh, that was an honorable mention for me.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So I did Twinrova because they stood out to me so much when I played Ocarina. Their theme, I listened to a remix of their theme all the time. And also I think their abilities are very unique because they are the mothers of Ganon, which that alone is a very interesting situation of like, did they create Ganon? Did they adopt Ganon?

Kady Roberts:

What's going on there? But also, also, they're intriguing because they both have their own abilities, right? They can fly, they do witch stuff. I know in Majora's Mask, they even like run like a potion shop. But Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That would still be was almost gonna say I don't think they do any magic in Majora's, but I guess

Kady Roberts:

They fly around their broomsticks too.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They do fly. Absolutely.

David Geisler:

Right. They absolutely have magic.

Kady Roberts:

But one does fire, one does ice, then they can also combine to become like the ultimate twin rova or whatever and do both. And I I don't know. When I think of this topic, I think of them, so I thought I had to put them on the list.

David Geisler:

Oh, that's wonderful. That's great. My number five is one that you may not know about, but you'll you'll know soon enough. I chose Yuga from A Link Between Worlds.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

I wish I had a picture. Maybe I should have done pictures of the ones that I don't know of the games that you haven't played. But Yuga is the big bad in A Link Between Worlds. And he, even though actually I have to confess when I was playing the game, I thought Yuga was female, but Yuga uses male pronouns.

Kady Roberts:

It's like the Sheik situation. Everyone thought sheikh was a male and then it turned out

David Geisler:

Yeah, a little bit. And I did a little deep diving on it, I guess there was supposed to be a kind of performative aspect to yoga, where yoga was embracing a spectrum of tropes and aesthetics kind And of on so Yuga is an artist. Yuga is a little bit of a narcissist. Their big thing is that they have this magic paintbrush or they have this ability to make three d things become two d Oh, and

Kady Roberts:

that's why the game is the game, I'm guessing.

David Geisler:

Well, yes. Early on in the game, you meet Yuga. And also Yuga has big red hair, so there's kind of like his Yuga Ganon. Yeah. Spoiler alert, there's a Yuga Ganon at the end of the game, a bit like Twinrover, they combine a little bit.

David Geisler:

No, you I can't remember now it's been a little while since I've played the very, very beginning of A Link Between Worlds, but Yuga gets away in the beginning, and I can't remember if like a little piece of his brush falls to the ground, but somehow Link gets a piece or the thing to turn himself into a two d painting, and that's how he attaches to walls and stuff like that. I'm looking at my notes. Said before we started recording that I took lengthy notes on this one and sometimes I think that messes with my flow. Do better if I just have smaller notes. But the other things about Yuga, Yuga is even more than some of the other baddies in Zelda games, Yuga is very obsessed with himself.

David Geisler:

And actually, also there's I think in the Hyrule Historia no, in the encyclopedia they literally call Yuga a sorcerer.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. No, I'm a very big fan of characters, especially within Zelda games, are very narcissistic. I don't know what it says about me, but again, we'll talk about it when we do Phantom Hourglass. Absolutely adore Linebeck. I love those kind of characters.

David Geisler:

Oh, Linebeck. Yeah. Yeah. Linebeck was different for me this time around than the first time I played. I had different emotions about him, and I guess I'll save that for next week's episode But or next yeah, so I'm going with Yuga.

David Geisler:

Maybe that's all. Yuga has like big robes and kind of has a bit of a Gerudo aesthetic but I don't think there's actually connection there. So my

Kady Roberts:

number four, I technically have not finished this game. I've played a little bit of this game, but I wanted to bring him in.

David Geisler:

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

It was Skull Kid. Woah.

David Geisler:

Not what I expected at all.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I did Skull Kid because technically Okay. Originally, yeah, the Skull Kid's are kind of magical, but this specific Skull Kid from Majora's Mask, Majora's Mask makes him magical. So he has all these different abilities. He can turn people into Deku Scrubs.

Kady Roberts:

He can fly. He can shoot lasers. He can do all this different crazy stuff. And I felt like even though I haven't fully played Majora's Mask yet because we put a hole on it to play Phantom, already is such a big head of the Zelda games and everything that I've seen of him he's like that creepy sorcerer I guess not really a sorcerer, it'd be more like a warlock, I guess, because he's getting his abilities from some dark entity.

David Geisler:

I thought about this, I almost put Majora's Mask on as one of my honorable mentions because my impression is there's a whole conversation to be had and maybe we save this for an eventual Majora's Mask episode but like is the Majora's Mask, is Majora's Mask sentient? Is it the sorcerer? Was Skull Kid a victim of the sorcery?

Kady Roberts:

I believe that.

David Geisler:

That's kind of what I think too. That's why didn't quite put him on my list here.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

But let's keep talking about it.

Kady Roberts:

But yeah, just his abilities to fully bring the moon down. I do feel I was hesitant to put him on this list, but I wanted to include him.

David Geisler:

I do know yeah. Skull Kid, by way of Majora's Mask, definitely like Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

We're in a Warlock sense.

David Geisler:

That's where you're coming from with Warlock. Yeah. I see. I see. Yeah, I get it.

David Geisler:

I get it. That's cool. Because he definitely floats and stuff and can make and just snaps in and out of existence and all that. It's all magical based stuff. Cool.

David Geisler:

I love it. All right. So right now we have I'm building the list here. I always forget to do this with our top tens. We had Twinrova, and then I put Yuga down, and then you have Skull Kid, right?

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

Skull Kid, parentheses, Majora's Mask.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

And so my fourth one is kind of similar to Yuga. This is why I kind of realized some of mine I are don't know if I said this in the opening or in the real episode, but my five are very similarly categorized.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

But anyways

Kady Roberts:

I have a guess of what it might be.

David Geisler:

What do you think?

Kady Roberts:

Is it Vadi?

David Geisler:

It's Vadi. It's Vadi. Very similar in kind of similar in style to Yuga. Mhmm. But Vadi is something else, I tell you.

David Geisler:

Vadi started in, I think it was Minish Cap.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. Minish Cap and then Four Swords, which I only know from Four Swords because I played a little bit of it with the Zelda dungeon cast. I haven't played Minish Cap yet though, which I'm excited to play.

David Geisler:

You're gonna you're going to thoroughly enjoy Minish Cap.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

I think you're going to thoroughly enjoy it and there's a couple different ways to play it and we'll figure it out when the time comes. I still enjoy Majora's Mask. Minish Cap? Minish Cap. Anyways, so Vadi also got some style.

David Geisler:

Vadi was in okay, well, mild spoilers, but it's literally the first two minutes of Minish Cap. But you discover that Vadi was the student of Ezlo, which is another magic user of my honorable mentions. Ezlo, I'm not going to say what or who Ezlo is in the game, but Variu, it's the classic kind of like Darth Vader, Obi Wan thing where the student becomes corrupted a bit with power and wanting to try to do things that maybe the master says don't do those things and the rest. And so Vadi becomes more and more monstrous as I believe he you know, progresses through the games at the point by the time you're done with some of these games, like, just this huge eyeball floating around and all

Kady Roberts:

that stuff.

David Geisler:

Yeah. I think Vadhi's actually been in three Zelda games, which makes him one of the few Zelda baddies other than Ganon that actually appear in multiple Zelda games. But Vadi can do stuff like change change size of things, control the weather, a few other things. I can't quite remember. But I do know that Vadi starts little you know becomes monstrous but starts literally as one to study magic and I also wanted to include Vadi because for all intents and purposes Vadi if we're just counting how many games the bad he's in, kind of second to Ganon even over many other big bads.

Kady Roberts:

That's very cool. I am excited. I saw when I was looking to try and come up with my list, I saw Vadi appear a lot and I do like the design of Vadi a lot, so I'm excited to see him in the game.

David Geisler:

Yes. Yes. I agree. And I'm pretty you know, like, it's kind of I'm thinking about Minish Cap right now, and it's kind of one of these, like it's a little bit like Agonym in A Link to the Past or Xant in Twilight Princess where they kind of appear in the beginning and they actually disappear for a while but they're kind of ever present. Maybe a little bit like the one in Skyward Sword that becomes Ganon's sword.

David Geisler:

What's his name?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, Gyrrhim.

David Geisler:

Gyrrhim. Yeah, of course. A little bit of that where they go.

Kady Roberts:

I love my life. Gyrrhim. Yeah.

David Geisler:

I love it. That's cool. That's cool. Well, okay. So I put Vadi in there and, I think let's go to break.

David Geisler:

Mhmm. And we'll come back and we'll do our final six. Cool. Build the whole list. So right now it's Twinrova, Yuga, Skull Kid, and Vadi.

David Geisler:

See you in a bit. See you in a minute or in a bit. I tried to say both.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I figured.

David Geisler:

All right, we are back from the break. Katie, how are you?

Kady Roberts:

I'm good. I'm great. That was a weird lead in.

David Geisler:

Yeah, did it on purpose, okay? So deal with it. Okay. Sorry, I'm just joking around.

Kady Roberts:

Got allowed to today, sure.

David Geisler:

All right, let's get right into it here. Let's do our third, second, and first picks for our magicians, I'm gonna say musicians, magicians and sorcerers. I will jump right in here.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, do you want to start with your third?

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. I guess it is you first. I apologize.

Kady Roberts:

It's okay. You can.

David Geisler:

No. No. If you go, that means I get my number one as the last one, which is very dramatic.

Kady Roberts:

My number three is one I don't think you would ever guess in a million years.

David Geisler:

Oh my god. Can't wait.

Kady Roberts:

I'm very proud of it. My number three is Master Koga from Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom. What? So hear me out.

David Geisler:

All right? I'm in. I'm in. But yes.

Kady Roberts:

Master Koga, you're like, Katie, that's a ninja. Yes, however, it's a magical ninja because he can do a lot of different things between levitation, summoning, he has telekinetic powers, he has magnetic powers, and also, also, can glamor himself because in Age of Calamity, he's disguised as herbosa a lot of So the this dude has power after power after power. However, he's just too little brained to actually make things work. That's his own fault. Also, technically, if you think of it from not just a gameplay standpoint, he's immune to stasis.

Kady Roberts:

You can't stasis him and his bets.

David Geisler:

Well, that's awesome. I never thought about that. Great.

Kady Roberts:

So, very magical guy. I think he's near and dear to my heart. I love Master Koga very much. I would love, for him to make an appearance in the future. I doubt he will.

Kady Roberts:

But Master Koga and Suga, I think they're a funny duo.

David Geisler:

I'm in. I love it. And you know, there was a little part of me at first that was like, well, sometimes the whole ninja style character throwing down a snap bead and then disappearing, sometimes that's a little bit implied as they're just that good at disappearing, but he does so much more.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, he does a ton of magic. It's kind of crazy. He's such a weird character.

David Geisler:

And his best magical trick is having a spotlight on him while Oh, he's absolutely. Yeah, you can summon a spotlight.

Kady Roberts:

His best magical trick is being able to sit there and monologue and you can't move.

David Geisler:

Yeah, that's it exactly. Uh-huh. That's great. That's great. I love it.

David Geisler:

Well, my number three, we've kind of spoken about this character a little bit already, but I think that this is a very I'm very comfortable with the placement of this character. My numb my third top, sorcerer and or magician is of course Aegonim from A Link to the Past. You have not played this game yet, believe, Katie. There will be a day we're gonna review it all over again. Aegonim is, so this this was A Link to the Past was the third Zelda game ever made.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

And in many ways, it was the first one that really started kind of setting the mold for what future Zelda games would be. The the first Zelda game was what it was. Number two was kind of like an experimental departure, very similar to how Super Mario Brothers two was a different well, no, actually not similar at all because Super Mario Brothers two is a different game. Everybody knows all about that. I digress.

David Geisler:

I apologize. I've derailed the conversation. But A Link to the Past was a light remake, as is Nintendo so often does with some of their IPs, of the original Zelda game, but for the Super Nintendo, of course, and with the powers of what the Super Nintendo had. With that said, though, and I think A Link to the Past is technically, yes, is. It's a it's timeline wise, it's a prequel to those two games.

David Geisler:

But there is a sorcerer right in the beginning that that that entraps the the king and all the things, does all the things to the kingdom, and you are trying to defeat Aegonim for what you understand to be the game. And what we know now is that it's really the first three dungeons. It's very Ocarina of Time that way or rather Ocarina of Time is very A Links to the Past that way where you, in fact I remember the marketing campaign, the literal television commercials for A Link to the Past, the voice over it was like the night it was the 1980s and I was like, I think they had an actual actor running around, you know, and it was like The Legend of Zelda. Once you think it's over, you realize it's only just begun.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, you talked about this before.

David Geisler:

And this is because Aegonim is the big bad for the first three dungeons. Or rather, you go collect three things to defeat Aegonim And as you do, you then learn that, that Ganon has been controlling Agonim. This is a theme that repeats often in Zelda games. Mhmm. Some of the Zelda games you haven't played yet also have this theme, but I don't mind it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. As well, this is the first Zelda game, pardon me, that ever did it. So Aegonim is a sorcerer. Aegonim can teleport. Aegonim can do a couple other things, can shoot magic fireballs and all the things.

David Geisler:

A very sorcery look, very like in the cloak, you know, blue cloak kind of thing. And you know, the hood is so far forward that you only see like glowing eyes and stuff like that. Though I think I think I even have it in the comic book you see Egenheim's actual face and stuff like that they actually rendered it I'll see if I can find that someday maybe in time because we're gonna start reviewing like the manga's and

Kady Roberts:

have stuff like all of them except for Twilight Princess since that one's still so new.

David Geisler:

And maybe there's a you can see I have all Princess right there. Maybe I can like kind of lend it to you or something or whatever. Yeah. But I digress. Eginim also is kind of cool because from a history of Zelda point of view, Eginim is a character not much going on there, I'll be honest.

David Geisler:

It's kind of the bad in the beginning, you go, Okay, we'll collect the things to defeat the bad. But once you do Oh, Eiganim was the first time in a Zelda game where the I call it volleyball or tennis mechanics started. Eiganim would throw things at you and you could hit them back at Eiganim. Love that mechanic. The third dungeon, it was the very first time it ever happened.

David Geisler:

As well, once you defeat Agonim, you learn that Ganon was controlling him. However, there's a lot of there's like a lore around Agonim where you never really definitively know if Ganon was controlling him or if Ganon was disguised as him. And so this really could have just been Ganon the whole time, and certainly as the third Zelda game ever where the only bad guy has ever been Ganon, that kind of tracks. Yeah. That's not the case in other Zelda games.

David Geisler:

So Eginim kind of, I think for some people, might even be the number one sorcerer of all time in all Zelda games, the first sorcerer in some ways. But for me, Eginim is number three.

Kady Roberts:

Very cool. My number two, we talked a little about this when we took our break, about how originally I had Ganon on my list replaced with a school kid because I was like, I feel kind of weird putting the main three on this list.

David Geisler:

To that point, I had Zelda for a while. I was

Kady Roberts:

gonna say, however, I didn't include Zelda as my number two. I did include Zelda as my number two

David Geisler:

because did not plan that.

Kady Roberts:

Alright. I feel like she can be the exception because

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Whereas Ganon, it's like, okay, he can sometimes in games just be this essence. Yes. Zelda is always Zelda. Zelda has the blood of Hylia in her and she is naturally a sorceress because of this. And also with a lot of her games, you know, say like Breath of the Wild, she just light power.

Kady Roberts:

But now that Echoes of Wisdom exists, she has like a little magic staff.

David Geisler:

That's true.

Kady Roberts:

That fully makes her like a sorceresswizard because now she can use her staff to make things appear, move things around. I had to include her.

David Geisler:

I agree completely. I jumped down to my honorable mentions here because I did have Zelda in there, some of the things I pointed out in my notes are that she has ceiling magic in almost all the Zelda games, even though her powers kind of vary because there are different Zeldas. But she always almost always has some kind of version of like the light arrows which kind of becomes like the light push thing you were talking about that's definitely magic and she also often has Helia's divine power imbued in her too which makes her very sorcery ish

Kady Roberts:

Exactly.

David Geisler:

Cool. If anything else to say about Zelda, there's only one by two.

Kady Roberts:

I love her beloved Zelda.

David Geisler:

Copy. Alright. Yep. Coolest. Oh my gosh.

David Geisler:

List. Wait. The list. What what was number six? Oh, number six was Koga.

David Geisler:

Oh, yeah. Koga. And then five would have been my Egonim. Four right now is Zelda. I was Zelda.

David Geisler:

Like And three is going to be I think I've mentioned him already in this episode in fact I know I have can you guess who it is? It's another game! Today is just the list of games that Katie hasn't played I'm realizing all of them almost I think every pick so far wait you've kind of oh my gosh. I mean, you know who Vadi is, but Yuga, A Link Between Worlds, Vadi, The Minish Cap, A Link to the Past, and Zant from Twilight Princess are all games that you haven't played Oh, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I also heard of Zant's name when I was looking at stuff, I didn't look into it because I was like, I don't know that game yet.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Yeah. And here we were at the top of the episode talking about how many games you've played, and I'm so pleased with how many more games you've played. And as someone who played Breath of the Wild as their first Zelda game ever, think you are just being a full student of the franchise here as far as how aggressively you are going back into all the games and playing them. Super cool.

Kady Roberts:

It's fun.

David Geisler:

And in some ways I think and hope that parallels some of our new listeners for the show. But Zant from Twilight Princess is, say it with me now, the big bad for the first half of Jazz the hands. How often does it happen? It's like every single Zelda game. It's always Ganondorf at the end, or Ganon at the end.

David Geisler:

But Xant is something else. Xant is terrifying. I don't know if you've ever seen the opening cutscene of Twilight Princess. Maybe I'll share with you someday Yeah. Or maybe just save

Kady Roberts:

I've been trying to stay pretty blind to Twilight Princess because I know it's such a big game. I'm excited to play it.

David Geisler:

Yeah. We have a couple one or two other games lined up for reviews, but then I think we do we do, like, a nice solid Twilight Princess. Maybe it's part of season eight where we do like a first impressions yeah then like a review maybe we do three two or three Twilight Princess episodes in season eight I've often talked about Twilight Princess being one of my favorite Zelda games, if not my favorite Zelda game, even though I think there's plenty of other contenders for other reasons.

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

And maybe Twilight Princess just hit me at the right time where I was, you know, kind of entering adulthood and just the vibes of the game hit me just right. But for was what when it came out, it's a phenomenal game even with its flaws and it's very dramatic and I hope you enjoy it. And Xant is introduced right at the top. And Xant, is he wears this huge mask, which makes him a little Darth Vader y in that, like, he's super intimidating because you really don't know what's going on underneath. He doesn't move much, but immediately kind of has, like, force powers a little bit.

David Geisler:

Immediately can do things and move people around. Later on Mhmm. I move my cord. I hope we're okay with recording. Yep.

David Geisler:

Am. So let's see. Very much very much a sorcerer in that way. Xant the one the one pivot is that Xant does come from the Twilight Realm, and so I don't know if those the one thing I kind of don't know is if those powers that he has are normal in the Twilight Realm and he just has them, or is this magic that he has studied? But I'm going go with magic he's studied.

David Geisler:

Let's see. The only oh, he 100% has magic because in the inevitable boss fight with Zant, which actually doesn't happen. That is one thing that's nice. Doesn't happen halfway through the game. You learn about Ganondorf halfway through the game, but it's not just like, oh, I zip zap zopped this medium bad guy out of the way and now it's Ganon.

David Geisler:

They continue to coexist in certain ways that are interesting. And the reasons you even fight Zant well, a little bit not a love triangle, but like a combat triangle almost is what happens with Link, Zant, and Ganondorf. You know what I mean? Let me just put it this way. Now I don't want give too much away, but our listeners will know.

David Geisler:

When you fight Zant, the mask comes off and Zant is a completely Zant is still their own corporeal creature. It doesn't change into like a big squid monster or

Kady Roberts:

something

David Geisler:

like that, but Zant is unhinged when that mask comes off. I almost reversed Majora's Mask, just realized. There's some some combinations there. And so, yeah, think that's it. I think that's Zant from Twilight Princess is my number two because, oh my gosh, even when everyone first started playing Twilight Princess, they were like, what the heck is up with this Zant character?

David Geisler:

Zant is so Zant is so terrifying in the beginning of the game that he almost exclusively rules high eliminates Hyrule just with his presence.

Kady Roberts:

Very cool.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Write that down. That Number two, three, Xan. Yeah. What's your look at what I wrote down.

David Geisler:

I wrote down the number three.

Kady Roberts:

Oh, beautiful.

David Geisler:

Good job. Cool. What's your number one? So number two for our big, big list.

Kady Roberts:

My number one

David Geisler:

Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

I think is, from what I have played so far, the most sorcery sorcerer that ever did sorcerer in Legend of Zelda games.

David Geisler:

Oh my god.

Kady Roberts:

And that is Aster from Age of Calamity.

David Geisler:

I almost put them in here.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So Aster from Age of Calamity is very interesting as a character and I wish that he wasn't just a one off character in Age of Calamity. I wish he was in like an actual like big game.

David Geisler:

When that trailer came out and it was only his eyes, everyone thought it was Vahdi.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, he's very cool. So they don't give you any backstory as to why he is the way he is, where he came from. He just exists as this they call him the what did they call him? The prophet of doom. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Or, Suga calls him the seer a lot because one of his main things is he can see the future and he can see how Breath of the Wild is originally supposed to take place up Ganon taking over and ruling. And in response to that, Aster says, Okay, this is a huge it's a calamity. I'm going to take control of the calamity so I can rule. And basically, he wants to rule Ganon. Yes.

Kady Roberts:

Which is such an interesting thing. It's such a cool character. Not only that, but he kind of gets away with controlling Ganon for almost all of the game, where he can summon the blights whenever he wants. That's true. He can cause things to possess people.

Kady Roberts:

And then also when Koga and Suga start going against Aster, because the whole time they're working with Aster because he's like, if you don't do what I say, I'm gonna sick Ganon on you.

David Geisler:

Right.

Kady Roberts:

Then he ends up making a construct of Link, basically, to fight them. Which is so cool and so fascinating that he's able to do that. Not only that, but he also is seen doing various blood sacrifices throughout the game. Oh, you're right. I forgot about Which is why Koga and Suga get mad at him in the first place because whenever any of the Yiga die, he literally takes their soul and uses it to become stronger, him and Ganon.

Kady Roberts:

Until eventually at the end of the game, you know, he does his big fight against Link and them. And then Ganon is finally strong enough where he can seize control back from Aster and he completely corrupts Aster and causes him to become one with Ganon, which is very cool.

David Geisler:

That is cool. I have not beaten Age of Calamity. Didn't realize that happened with Aster. That's awesome. It's very cool.

Kady Roberts:

I like him a lot.

David Geisler:

I did the big Deku Tree fight with Aster, but I think it's kind of halfway through the game or maybe first, The

Kady Roberts:

Deku Tree fight was when I really realized how much I liked Aster as a character and how interesting he was. He has a great voice, a great character design. I wish he was in more.

David Geisler:

Well, yeah. And into that, you know, the biggest critique to Age of Calamity is that it's in a separate time in the beginning sets itself it is canon that it is not canon in that it is canon in a different timeline.

Kady Roberts:

It's an alternate universe.

David Geisler:

Alternate universe and that's kind of the part that's a little bit disappointing sometimes. I've said it before, but I think the fact that Aster exists in, let's just say, the main timeline to create that alternate timeline puts Aster Aster's canon. Aster is like the As main Zelda far as Aster being Aster, from a making the game point of view, from a legal point of view, Aster was a creation of Team Ninja, not of Nintendo. Like, just like Hyrule Warriors has two characters that Team Ninja created or Capcom, know, whatever, Team Ninja. And there might even be one or two characters in this new one, the Imprisoning Wars.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah.

David Geisler:

That Team Ninja makes. And there might be a part of the contract where they have to make one or two original IP characters. Maybe it's for certain rights or ownership or something like that. That's why Aster for me, in my eyes, I am saying this, no one else has said this, that's why Aster wasn't Vadi. But boy, even when I saw that trailer, was like, that would be so cool if we take the second most common bad guy in Zelda games and bring him in, but alas, Astra's I still a great

Kady Roberts:

am very excited for Imprisoning Wars. I know a lot of people aren't, but I'm really looking forward to it.

David Geisler:

I enjoyed Age of for what it was, and Imprisoning Wars will be nice for what it is, what it will be. They're nice games to have as part of your library and to continue the story.

Kady Roberts:

Exactly. I like them for story purposes.

David Geisler:

Yeah, awesome. So I told you when we started recording this episode that I had a bit of a theme with my list. And that's why I've got a good four or five honorable mentions. And I think I even joked that jolked that is my Kenosha coming out. I think I even joked that I almost wanted to switch my honorable mentions with my main list because I realized that my main list, very much by accident, really is just all the other big bads in Zelda games except Ganon.

David Geisler:

That's what my whole list is. Yuga, Vadi, Aegonim, Zant. And I kind of realized, oh, that's a little uninspired even though they are kind of like the biggest, baddest, most famous, I guess, sorcerers or whatever magic users. But my number one pick is very off that path. My number one pick is not one of the main big bads.

David Geisler:

My number one pick is Rauru from Ocarina of Time.

Kady Roberts:

Very good pick.

David Geisler:

Yeah. Not kind of the OG wizard magic user I kind

Kady Roberts:

of debating putting some of the sages and stuff on there, I wasn't sure.

David Geisler:

I agree that they kind of could be. They get imbued with magic. The reason I'm going with Rauru is Rauru and Ocarina of Time Rauru, not Tears of the Kingdom Rauru. By the way, in Tears of the Kingdom Rauru, I mean, a little bit of magic. Everybody's got it.

Kady Roberts:

He absolutely is a magic user.

David Geisler:

Is he really?

Kady Roberts:

Oh, yeah. He's the one that steals Ganon and everything. Maybe? And Queen Sonya, absolutely. I have them as my honorable mention.

David Geisler:

We'll talk about it then. Let's talk about it. Because I think I've seen all of the teardrop memories, but I haven't beaten Tears of the Kingdom yet. I'm still stuck at that Goron Temple even though I only play it like once every two months that's why it's taking so long but maybe there's a few cutscenes I haven't seen and quite frankly as I played Tears of the Kingdom even though I often get excited about this stuff I didn't pay super close attention to the tears memories. I kind of watched them and moved on.

David Geisler:

I should revisit them to better understand these characters. But anyway, Rauru from Ocarina of Time built the Temple Of Time using magic, so to speak, created, is the keeper of the sacred realm, which is the the doorway to that is in the Temple Of Time. Mhmm. Raru, doesn't is one of the only sages that kind of really truly exists in that ethereal nothing space that's not represented by another dungeon or temple in the real world. All the other sages had physical existences in Ocarina of Time.

David Geisler:

However, I think you could argue that maybe the Temple Of Time is like Rauru's physical place as well. I do agree with the, I think, Nintendo confirmed theory of Rauru being, of course, Kiborah Gaborah in the beginning of Ocarina of Time. So I think Rauru does have like a physical presence And the biggest thing for Rauru is the reason is maybe not a stretch, but I was thinking about like, well, wait a second. When does Rauru actually like there's no moment where he spins some magical orbs and fireballs out and shoots things and and does the great powers. But if you think about it, I think he's so stinking magical that he like he is Link putting the sword in.

David Geisler:

He is the sacred realm. He is the existence of all of that and the time jumps and all of the things. I think that's all, in my opinion, my headcanon is that he's completely in control of that kind of magic. So I'm going Rauru as my number one pick from a magic using wizard and or sorcerer in a Zelda game. Awesome.

David Geisler:

So your number two your number one was what?

Kady Roberts:

Aster.

David Geisler:

Aster. Oh gosh. Wow. Wow. That's right.

David Geisler:

Did you put Aston? No, it's just mine. I'm just so my handwriting is so bad. So before we get to our honorable mentions, list here is Twinrova, Yuga, Skull Kid with the Majora's Mask, Vadi, Koga, Aegonim, Zelda, Zant, Aster, and Rauru. I like it.

Kady Roberts:

Happy how high Koga is. Makes my heart happy. I like that he's above Vaati.

David Geisler:

I love this. I love your chaos here, and I mean that as a compliment because look, Aster's number two.

Kady Roberts:

I like him. I like him up there.

David Geisler:

Yes. Yeah. That's great. It's awesome. You know what mean?

David Geisler:

Aster's above Egonim and stuff like that. So anyways, I did try to go a little more deep dive y with some of my honorable mentions. One that I have is Hilda from A Link Between Worlds. She's kind of a version of another baddie in The Link Between Worlds, but she learns the magic to try to save her low rule area, and then it kind of falls out of control and stuff like that. So it's also an example of magic not just being used to throw magic fireballs or magic, you know, being used, even trying to even being used to try to like do good things and stuff like that.

David Geisler:

I don't know. What's what's a what are a few that you have? Had not Zelda in there. You had

Kady Roberts:

I had so I had King Rauru from Tears of the Kingdom and Queen Sonya.

David Geisler:

Let's do them right now. Yeah.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. So King Rauru doesn't show his magical abilities as much, which is why I didn't put him, but he is the main person that seals Ganon away and does a lot with magic there. But Queen Sonya has all the abilities Zelda does because she's the first descendant of Hylia. So, she is the original magic user basically.

David Geisler:

Yeah, yeah.

Kady Roberts:

So I wanted to put them in like that honorable mention. I'm excited to see more of what they can do in Imprisoning Wars, which is also why they are on the honorable mentions because I know we're going to see more from them soon.

David Geisler:

Yeah, that's great. I love that. I also had Eslo in here as one of my honorable mentions. I already mentioned Eslo. Eslo was the master to

Kady Roberts:

oh

David Geisler:

my gosh, I just forgot his name Vadi in the minnish cap. Eslo is a little bit of a Yoda character in that he's a bit of a crotchety old man, I guess you could say. And do you know anything about Ezlo?

Kady Roberts:

I know nothing about that game.

David Geisler:

Then I don't want to say too much. But, Ezlo also has powers.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

And Ezlo is for the people who know, if you know you know, Ezlo is cursed. Okay. And it's a lot of fun.

Kady Roberts:

Very cool.

David Geisler:

Alright, cool. We'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. I also threw in the fortune tellers on all Zelda games. Yeah.

David Geisler:

You know what I mean? They're kind of like magic users. It's game mechanic, but I think the first fortune teller that really showed you gave you hints as what to do, I think was in A Between A Link to the Past, mean, that third Zelda game. I don't think there was any fortune tellers in Zelda one or two. However, my last honorable mention here is well, so in Zelda two, the adventure of Link

Kady Roberts:

Mhmm.

David Geisler:

There are magicians in all the towns. Mhmm. And they're like wise old men. Sometimes you'll be in a town and be like, go talk to the old man to get the power that helps you jump higher or the power that you know the base the actual magic. So in the original Legend of Zelda there really isn't a magic system.

David Geisler:

Even I don't even think you have, like, arrow inventories. I think it costs money. Every arrow you shoot, you lose a gem or something. They just didn't have all it wasn't as robust, the mechanics. But in Zelda two, it was the first time that we really distinctly had Link using actual magic alongside his physical items, swords and things like that.

David Geisler:

And you got these magic powers by visiting these wise old men at the different towns, And so I'm kind of including them too. Call them the magicians. None of them have names. The closest you get is like some gal will be like, go visit my father. Then you go down into a basement and he's like, here, here's Super Jump.

David Geisler:

Take this. This. You'll need it. And there it is. So those are some of my other honorable mentions.

David Geisler:

Did you have a few more?

Kady Roberts:

I do. Yes, please. So we mentioned Ganon briefly. Went over that. I had Gyraham as an honorable mention, cause he can do a lot of magic stuff, but also he's not really like a person.

Kady Roberts:

So, again, honorable mention. Yeah. And then my little honorable mention, I put the electric Wow. Electric wizrobe is my favorite wizrobe, but the wizrobes in general because technically while they are monsters, they're wizards. Put them on

David Geisler:

there. I love that. I also did try to find I did some searching. I couldn't find anything. But if our listeners can, I also tried to I wanted to play with the magician sorcerer thing a little bit as I was building my list ultimately I just kind of went with the big hitters but I was kind of like are there any characters in any Zelda games who are what we would call real world magicians, normal magicians, sleight of hand artists and I thought man, there's got to be I know there's sometimes like the random games in different Zelda games pick this pick that but I couldn't find any in my searching of any kind of in game magicians that are just sleight of hand experts, but if anybody can think of any, that would be super cool?

David Geisler:

Where there are someone in some town and they make something that seems like magic happen, that would be a lot of fun.

Kady Roberts:

Very

David Geisler:

cool. Or even if they're like a bad magician, they're not good at it or something. Can imagine a character existing where they try to do it and it doesn't work out. But I would love if anybody can think of any, that would be super fun and super cool. All right, Katie, there it is.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. Our list. I like our lists a lot.

David Geisler:

I think I really do too. And I took more notes for this episode than I usually do because when I first started, was like, I could think of two.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. I was the same way. I was like, okay. Ganon, Zelda, kind of Link. But I'm glad like, Okay, yes.

David Geisler:

Thought of egging him right away and then I kind of was like, I don't know, maybe Xan, bam bam bam. Okay. But then we went from there and it was great. Found so many and I think we really brought a lot to the

Kady Roberts:

I'm glad we didn't have any duplicates.

David Geisler:

Worried we were going have duplicates. Holy I moly. We often do. Yeah. This is like a fully fledged Yeah.

David Geisler:

You're right. This might be one of our most successful top tens ever.

Kady Roberts:

No, I'm really happy about it. I was like, oh, I hope we don't pick the same ones because there really is just like a handful of a pool to pick from. But we we've made it work.

David Geisler:

Well, think what saved us there is I I accidentally picked a lot from some games that you haven't yet played. Mhmm. And then you were able to really pull some that I wasn't even thinking about. Yeah. And therein is the magic of co hosting a show.

Kady Roberts:

Yippee.

David Geisler:

Yippee. Alright, Katie. What are we doing in our next episode? It's a big one.

Kady Roberts:

Is it is it our Phantom Hourglass review? Mhmm. I'm so excited to talk about Phantom Hourglass, guys. I'm really excited about it. Also though, we I texted you this morning and I was like, David, Phantom Hourglass, what are we gonna do next?

Kady Roberts:

What are we gonna play next? And you're like, oh, we'll talk about it maybe on

David Geisler:

the episode. Yes. Yes. Yes. We can and should.

David Geisler:

Let's I mean, we could do it. I'll see right now for the fun of it. Also in real life as we are recording this, I think you're on the final boss in Phantom Hourglass and I'm in the middle of the final I'm like doing the Phantom Sword stuff right now. I love that dungeon. So we're both very very close.

David Geisler:

I can't wait. Have beaten Phantom Argolass, you know, almost eighteen years ago is when it actually came out I realized. The first time I played it I loved it. In fact, you know there's two save slots on those cartridges my first save slot is the first time I played and all the little icons are there and I've been playing the second save slot and it's been fun to see the icons kind of come back and okay whatever but right now I'm in that and it's so funny how much I've forgotten which is great because it's been a while or like there's been parts where I go into a room and I'm like oh I kind of remember this now but I don't actually remember where that force gem was or this or that thing was and so it's been a lot of fun playing. I've been bouncing back and forth between my my 3DS which is right here in front of me and my DS Lite which is also right here.

David Geisler:

I've been going back and forth. The DS Lite is what it came out for. Maybe we're accidentally having a Phantom Hourglass episode right now, so I'm going to pull back on all that. Just realized we'll save it for our next episode. But as far as the games we should play next, if we stick to our schedule, the next review episode is one of our Zelda like reviews, which we haven't done in

Kady Roberts:

a You were long talking long about doing Okami, right?

David Geisler:

So the last time we did when Kate and I first originally came up with the idea of this show, almost eight years ago now, we said, yeah, we'll review games. And then it's also just as interesting to talk about games that are so clearly inspired by Zelda, so much so that it's like another company doing their version of a Zelda game. So the first one we did was Ubisoft's Beyond Good and Evil, and I think we did that in season two. We played it and reviewed it like it was a Zelda game and informed by our knowledge of Zelda. So in many ways you can see the similarities, you can see the differences, Sometimes you can see why there's similarities because something works really, really well in a Zelda game.

David Geisler:

And in Beyond Good and Evil, there are one or two features that the company was able to even expand on some of the mechanics or the UI and actually maybe even do a little bit better in some areas. Also, that's kind of interesting. Yeah. You and I have talked about we haven't done a Zelda like review episode in almost four or five seasons. I've been dying to.

David Geisler:

I desperately want to do Star Fox Adventures for the game too.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, you want to do Star Fox. I personally want to do Deltarune chapter three.

David Geisler:

Which I don't even know what that is.

Kady Roberts:

But they do a whole Zelda segment in it. It's so good. I love that game.

David Geisler:

A Zelda segment. But is it a zelda like, if you if you gave it a if you gave it a It is a palette swap, would it be a Zelda game? That's what we're trying to do here.

Kady Roberts:

I guess not. But it would be fun to do for just, like, maybe, like a Patreon.

David Geisler:

If go over on Patreon, we can get to that part and play it. I'd love that.

Kady Roberts:

I think

David Geisler:

that'd Yeah. Be We're trying to do the Zelda like reviews should be games where another company, in this case Capcom, because I think we are gonna do Okami Okami next. It's basically like we're gonna do our Zelda. Yeah. You know?

David Geisler:

And the reason we're doing Okami is because it is, available on the Switch right now, is that HD remaster?

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, I do really want to play Okami. I feel like that would be a good one. Okami, I feel like the next Zelda game, it could be either Here's the thing. I did Ocarina. We could do Midoras.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah. We did Phantom Hourglass. Could We do Spirit Tracks.

David Geisler:

Right.

Kady Roberts:

Or we could do like Minish Cap and then the Oracles.

David Geisler:

I know, I That's the thing. Well, where I'm leaning is, this is where I'm at, I guess we're having a quick little meeting here at the end of this episode. I really want to get Twilight Princess in there as soon as possible, and as soon as possible is like season eight right now. Yeah. It's like literally next season, not this season, especially if we do Okami.

David Geisler:

I kind of like the idea of us bouncing back and forth between like a mainline game and a handheld game and back and forth. Yeah. We're doing Phantom. We do kind of have two or three sequels lined up. We could jump into any of those at any time.

David Geisler:

And then we also have the classic. We have A Link to the Past, which we've never done. Think this is how we should do it. There's been a few games that previous co hosts and I have reviewed like A Link to the Past. The way you know Ocarina of Time, the way you and I did it is we reviewed Ocarina of Time three d.

David Geisler:

The way we did Wind Waker is we reviewed Wind Waker HD. Maybe Twilight Princess could be lined up with a hopeful inevitable Twilight Princess Switch Switch two release or something like that and we could play it that way in a year's time. I I have a feeling yeah. I feel like everyone says this that it's gonna be the next year Zelda thing, it hopefully it's imprisoning wars, then maybe it's like a Twilight Princess thing. Yeah.

David Geisler:

And then and then it lines up with maybe the Ocarina of Time remake or something like that. Also, I'm a little worried about playing Okami before Twilight Princess because they both use dogs. Oh. The main character's dog. And both games came out almost at the same time.

David Geisler:

One came out originally came out for PlayStation and one came out for GameCube and Wii. Oh. I almost as much as I enjoy Twilight Princess, I'm almost worried that we're gonna play Okami and then go play Twilight Princess and be like, oh, well, Zelda took this from Okami. Maybe it was the other way around? And maybe that doesn't matter.

David Geisler:

Maybe that's part of the conversation.

Kady Roberts:

Okay.

David Geisler:

So I actually don't think we should do Twilight Princess next.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Is there any that are calling to you? Because we could jump we did Link's Awakening HD. We could jump into an Oracle game. We've been setting up Oracle seasons for years, which we haven't, but it's kind of on and off. I don't know.

David Geisler:

Which one are you most curious about?

Kady Roberts:

I'm very curious about Minish Cap. I am very curious about the Oracles for sure, but also Majora's Mask. I really want to play that one at some point, but I'm okay holding off because we just did a DS game.

David Geisler:

Just did a DS game. Maybe it's after Okami. Maybe it's one of the Oracles. Oh no, no, maybe it's Mishcap.

Kady Roberts:

You want to do Mishcap first?

David Geisler:

I don't know. Thinking about it. Minish Cap comes first timeline order. Timeline order? It does.

David Geisler:

In fact, for the longest time it was the first one.

Kady Roberts:

Yeah, until Skyward Sword.

David Geisler:

Yeah, Nintendo was like, No, no, no, We'll start the story. Thank you, Capcom. One thing is that as Capcom did the Oracle of Ages and Seasons games, when you play Minish Cap, you can feel some of that. They also did Minish Cap. So when you play Minish Cap, you can feel some of the evolution of the Oracle games, which is kind of cool from a game design point of view.

David Geisler:

So I think it's kind of even though I ultimately enjoy Minish Cap a little bit more than the Oracle games, even though the Oracle games are great, I almost feel like playing at least one of them first kind of informs your Minish Cap experience.

Kady Roberts:

We can do Oracles, we can play both of them, but each of us start with a different game.

David Geisler:

Maybe. I actually love that idea, except how the heck do we review it? It's just us telling each other about two completely separate games?

Kady Roberts:

Well, no. We would we would be playing both of the games. It would just we would be playing them in a different order.

David Geisler:

So one does ages seasons, other one does season ages? Yeah. That's interesting. Let's think about that because that's going take a long time to play. Yeah.

David Geisler:

That'll be like, that could be like, that might be the only thing we do in a season because that's going take like three months. Yeah. I love it. I think after well, know it's going to be Okami next as far as the next game we play. The next Zelda game.

David Geisler:

I don't know. Maybe we can have the listeners queue us in a little bit too. If you are listening to this right now and you'd like to message us on Blue Sky or X or Instagram or anywhere really, or email us at anotherzolidapodcastgmail dot com like our other listener did at the top of this show, yeah, we feedback here as to what we should play after Okami. I think I would lean towards a game that it's a balancing act between what game is the best for a new player to put someone like you on your journey to play next, but also, pardon me, there's half the library that we've never even reviewed ever on this show. And so if we could find the perfect like Majora's Mask is that, honestly, that we've never reviewed Majora's Mask, people have been asking about it for years, we've been saving it.

David Geisler:

If you're ready to play it, maybe it's Majora's Mask, honestly. Know what I mean? Like, that's the kind of way I'm thinking. Maybe it's Majora's Mask and then it's Twilight Princess after that, we throw in an Oracle there. I don't know.

David Geisler:

We're still like four years away from some of this stuff, it feels like. Maybe But that's where we go. But we are open to feedback, but I think it's going be Okami after Phantom Hourglass. Awesome. I have no idea how long it takes to play that game.

Kady Roberts:

That's fine. I'll look it up. My guess is thirty five hours.

David Geisler:

That's my guess. It was like the PlayStation two days. Yeah cool alright well there we go we we don't know but we'll see you next episode for our review of Phantom Hourglass I will say I had a great time with it playing it.

Kady Roberts:

Okay. Yes. Me as well. I was thoroughly surprised at how much I've enjoyed it.

David Geisler:

I definitely had ups and downs, and I had moments where I was like, why? But ultimately, emotionally, had a great time playing the game, and I think that we'll be able to speak to all of that. Cool. All right, Katie. Well, let's get out of here then and I'll see you in two weeks for our Phantom Hourglass review.

David Geisler:

You're making a face. What's going on?

Kady Roberts:

David, where can they find you?

David Geisler:

Ah, I see. Oh, yeah. People can find me on the internet at RaptorPaint and that's about it. I'm RaptorPaint everywhere.

Kady Roberts:

All right. Awesome. You can find me on Instagram and TikTok at the letters KDStargazer. And you can find this podcast everywhere for the most part

David Geisler:

and also Just Google on AnotherZeldaPodcast or our website anotherzeldapodcast.com. Yeah yeah. Galutrad from anotherpokemonpodcast.comor.com and I. We're kind of like co redesigning the websites very slowly in the background right now because we kind of want to change. It's just been a while.

David Geisler:

It's been seven years with the Zelda EZP's website. We're just maybe thinking of a little change, little refresh. And we also want that to sync up with the podcast one. So it's been fun. I've been having meetings with Gowiotrad about kind of what we want to see on a new And since we're doing it, if you hear this right now, listeners, and you have anything you'd really like for us to try to include on a revamped website for both shows, please just let us know.

David Geisler:

And that's that. Katie, let's go because we got to record a Patreon episode.

Kady Roberts:

Yes. Magical sword people.

David Geisler:

Well, will be magical sword and white sword. Is our middle tier and our top tier because it's audio. Yeah. But it's going to be about a project that you and I are working on together this this coming fall and it's a little bit of a crossover.

Kady Roberts:

Uh-huh.

David Geisler:

Oh, what's up with the face there?

Kady Roberts:

You keep me in the dark. Don't know what we're doing.

David Geisler:

It's the fictional narrative podcast.

Kady Roberts:

Yes.

David Geisler:

But you don't know yet?

Kady Roberts:

About

David Geisler:

Like what's gonna be?

Kady Roberts:

What We're doing for D and D? Yeah. Yeah.

David Geisler:

Yeah. So you know a little bit. Yeah. Cool. We'll talk about it there.

David Geisler:

We'll talk about it over on Patreon. And let's get out of here. I've taken way too long for this outro. Katie, we'll see you later.

Kady Roberts:

Bye bye.