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What's going on, everybody?
Welcome to Coffee Talk with Emily Rolfe.
Oh, is it actually?
Or is it just that I have coffee?
Well, you said let's do coffee.
Yeah.
Coffee talk.
I'm kind of past my coffee
because I'm on the East Coast,
but I'm actually drinking
like a salty element type.
Oh, nice.
I have a big workout waiting
for me this evening,
so I'm trying to prepare.
Okay.
Smart.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's one of those where it's intervals,
15 front squats, 10 pushups,
and then in the three-minute window,
max calorie assault bike.
Gotcha.
Until I accumulate 100 calories.
Right.
I love workouts like that.
Yeah.
But I always go to ham on
the first few assault bikes.
And then you're just
breaking even or just doing the buy-in.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it makes it horrible to finish.
Is it Cal Sue, the 100 thrusters,
and you have to do five
burpees every minute on the
minute until you accumulate 100?
And I've seen people just
sit minutes out or just do
the five burpees and not be
able to do any thrusters
for three minutes in a row
just to come back down from the red line.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm going to be 55 next year,
and I've got to learn how to pace myself.
You can't?
Did you say that?
I need to learn.
I'm not good at pacing at all.
Yeah, it's tough.
Yeah.
Well, enough about me.
We're here to talk about you.
You were going back,
or you've qualified for
your sixth CrossFit Games.
Yeah, crazy.
In your wildest imagination,
could you have ever
imagined you'd be here?
Cool.
No,
I was saying that to Kali the other day.
I was like, see, you almost went there.
Lost my balance.
I was saying in my first games, 2019,
or just before that,
it was like just a dream to
make the games one day.
Like, wouldn't that be amazing?
And then, yeah, six years in a row later,
here we are.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
And what's completely
baffling to me is every
year you get better.
Yeah, so far.
The only exception is the
medical withdrawal.
But that's understandable.
Yeah.
If it was me, I would have competed.
We know that.
Yeah.
So as an athlete,
you started later in life
than most athletes, right?
Do you think that that
helped you because you
didn't have the miles on
the tread going into this?
Yeah, maybe I think, um,
definitely doing the other
sports that I did helped
like gymnastics was a huge help,
obviously.
Um, yeah, I,
cause I was probably 20
something when I started, right.
Not 17, 16, 15,
like some of the girls now.
So, I mean,
there's no way of knowing cause
I'll never say in the Dave interviews,
they started at nine.
Yeah, that's insane.
I think,
I think CrossFit's a sport that
accumulates so many other
sports so that if you do
other sports early,
you're still kind of training for that,
that you can catch on later.
So I think it's cool that
whereas like gymnastics,
you have to start when
you're five or younger.
Like you don't pick that up when you're 12,
you know,
if you're going to be compete at
a high level anyways.
Yeah.
So, so with that,
how has training changed
for you from 2018, 19 to today?
Um,
I think the intensity has definitely
changed.
Um, what I'm able to handle now,
intensity and volume is
actually higher than when I was younger.
Go figure.
Um,
And I think just like Kyle's
been coaching me now for that many years.
I think just knowing me
inside and out as an
athlete and knowing exactly
what I'm good at and what I
suck at and what I need to
work on and tailoring to
the T everything in my programming.
Whereas before I was doing
more general and I was
getting better because when
you start CrossFit,
really you just do it and
you do general things and you get better,
right?
And then as you get more and more specific,
you have to hone in on
those specific things.
You and Kyle kind of learned
this sport together, right?
And so he's become a better coach.
You've become a better athlete.
How cool has that been that
not only are you doing it
for six years in a row,
you're doing it with your dudes?
Yeah, it's so cool.
We say that all the time.
We're like, how cool is this?
We're literally traveling
the world and competing and
doing it together.
Like, I don't know if he wasn't my coach.
I don't know if I would
enjoy the process so much
and enjoy the competition
and the traveling and, you know,
the fact that we're
together doing it is it's so fun.
And you both have other jobs too.
Like this isn't your sole thing.
So you get to spend this
time together because other
times of the day you're apart.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So how has that gone?
Like the balance of work and training?
Are you getting better at
that or is it just old hat now?
I think I'm getting better.
The job that I have now is
better for CrossFit.
I'm only working four days a week.
And no nights.
I don't do nights at all anymore.
So that's huge.
Yeah, it's just, it's better.
I've learned how to make it work.
Wadzombie says, from the outside,
it looks like Kyle has the
same amount of passion for this as Emily.
Very cool to see that.
He does.
We have a rule on Sundays,
no CrossFit talk, like at dinner,
at the dinner table,
because we're trying to like separate.
And, you know,
now like coming into the games,
that rule is out the window.
But yeah, we're always just like,
he's always thinking of new ways.
He's always researching.
He's always, yeah, he's, he's in it.
He won't admit it, but he's in it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Would he ever coach anybody
else or is it just because it's you?
I don't know.
That's something you'd have
to ask him to be honest.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Cause I'm sure that like, if he wanted to,
there'd be people that would take him up.
Yeah.
He did coach.
I don't know if you remember
Adam Davidson.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He coached him that year.
like during the COVID year.
So he had both of us and
that worked out really well, actually.
I think a guy girl scenario
works really well.
I don't know if he coached
another girl if that would work as well.
That was competing against me,
but definitely the guy girl works.
Yeah, yeah,
that that seems to be what every
good coach has.
I just watched the Ricky
Alex video yesterday.
It works for them because
it's a high-ranked guy, high-ranked girl.
They're not competing against each other.
They're so far apart anyways.
The only time they're ever
together is before the games, really.
He's on weight in Australia, right?
Not too bad at
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny because like I,
I go to Christie O'Connell's gym.
Right.
Like Pat has no desire to
coach anybody but her.
Yeah.
Right.
I mean,
you put in so much time and effort
and energy.
Like you have to do it
because you love it as a coach.
Like really,
you're not getting much out of it.
I mean, maybe Shane is cashing in,
but you know, you're,
you're really doing it
because you love it.
Like,
Yeah.
So he's retired with her.
They both retired together.
They're off doing other
things and enjoying life now.
Yeah, good.
Yeah.
So you went to West Coast.
You took fifth.
Never really in doubt you
were going to make the games,
which is good for you.
I've been around where
you've been on that line
going into Sunday.
Yeah.
And this time you were not.
Yeah, it was nice.
It was a calm... You're right.
Never in the weekend was I like,
I was just confident.
It was fine.
Everything was fine all weekend.
No big highs, no big lows.
It was just fine.
What did you learn that
weekend that you and Kyle
have brought back?
Am I... Okay, there we go.
I think specifics in workouts.
Um,
I've written like after every
competition I write down, you know,
I go through the whole
workout and write down what
worked and what didn't.
So there's always those specific things.
Um, but on a whole, I don't say,
like I say,
I think it was just like
confidence and it's,
it was nice just being comfortable.
No surprises.
No,
no it was good it was a
smooth I mean there were of
course things that didn't
go as I practiced and the
couple workouts I did quite
a bit worse than what I did
in training which was
disappointing so we kind of
had to pick that apart and
figure out you know what
happened there but that's
competition is is that common
no usually I'm the opposite
usually I'll shave minutes
off or I'll you know so uh
yeah the fact that I did it
was the snatch ladder I was
significantly faster in
training and then the
second event with the front
squat double under um and
yeah we went back and we
figured out you know I
switched the length of my
rope right before I
competed and I you know I
did a few rookie things
that were just stupid and
You know, you learn from them.
You still make mistakes at
this six years in.
But so, yeah, you made those mistakes,
but it's cool that you
could make those mistakes
and still never be in doubt
that you're going to the games.
Yeah, it wasn't detrimental,
which is nice.
Yeah.
And it was like that.
That event is such a high
risk event that I, you know,
I hate to say this and I hate to do it,
but I played it safe just
because the risk is so high.
And I knew where I was at.
And yeah.
you know, I knew, okay,
I'm going to take an extra 10 seconds,
pick up the dumbbells and
just go and do it all unbroken.
Like I'm not going to have to push it and,
you know, risk failure and, you know,
so that was,
I guess that was kind of nice,
but you know,
you never like to compete safe,
but sometimes it's just the
smarter thing to do.
Yeah.
To play it safe and still
take seventh in that event
is pretty good.
Did I get seventh?
You did.
Yeah.
But it shows that what you're capable of,
like, if you pushed it,
you might have taken top three.
Yep.
And I think going in, it was like,
I didn't need to do that, though.
Because, again, the risk versus reward,
like, on that event,
you saw people blow up, like...
you know,
do I try to get third in event and maybe,
you know, do better overall or do I,
and then maybe risk blowing
up and get 20th.
Like, yeah, I was,
I didn't get to come watch
you guys in the West,
but I was in the East and
the leaderboard changed
dramatically on that last event.
Yeah.
Crazy.
And they love that.
They love doing an event.
Same thing happened the year before,
like with the sandbag carry.
Like remember the Kelly Baker thing?
Like she, yeah,
it's just like creates the drama.
It does.
And I know people have been asking Boz,
did he test it so that he
knew that that was pretty
much the breaking point?
And he said, no,
that just by chance that came there.
You mean in the lunges?
Yeah.
Okay.
Interesting.
So, yeah.
So, yeah,
so the only question I have from
the semis is I know how you
are great at running.
Were you disappointed the
run was shortened?
Yeah.
I mean,
I knew I was going to do fine anyways.
So it didn't matter in the overall,
but I wanted to just,
I wanted people to get wrecked.
And I was like, yeah, make the run longer.
But I knew, like, I think they were right.
We all would have got like
capped somewhere on the run
and it would have been so hard to,
and then people would have
known they're going to get capped and,
you know, ran the race differently maybe.
So I think it was probably
smart because it was quite
a bit longer with the full berm.
of course I wanted to do
that part what I find
fascinating about because
you are you win running
events at the games then
you go into semifinals and
you have like this person
that comes out of nowhere
that's just a great runner
and he won right does that
play with your head at all
or do you just ignore that
and say you got to run your own race
yeah, you know, I knew, I knew her, like,
what she got, so I was like, okay,
that's the time to beat, like,
that's just competing,
you should know that, and yeah,
when I got second, I was like,
that's annoying, but I knew, like,
at the end of the weekend,
it wouldn't make a difference, so.
yeah it's that's what's
great about semifinals is
you have these specialists
that nobody really knows of
who are good at that one
thing and can really like
shake up a leaderboard here
and there yeah and you know
a couple other girls like
that helped me because
there was people I had to
beat and then the randoms
got like in between us so I
was like okay sweet thanks
just so you don't even know
that you know are just good
at that one thing you're right
On Sunday in the east,
someone from the first heat
took top five in every event.
Wow.
It was crazy.
Well, um, Olivia did,
didn't she win the first
two on Sunday in our thing?
Yeah.
Yeah.
And still didn't make it.
Yeah.
Which is insane.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
In the East, Tia won everything.
First place was out of the box.
So many things changed from 7 to 15.
I think Chloe was 15th going
into the last event and ended up 9th.
Chloe.
Chloe Govind David.
Oh, right.
Yeah.
You have a couple of events at the end and
I think it's done,
but it's never over until it's over,
right?
Yeah, that's great.
So we talked last night
about death sessions.
Why do you call them death sessions?
Does the intensity ramp up
right before the games or
have you been doing this for months?
So I've been doing what I was telling you,
like these Mondays and Tuesday mornings.
We call them,
Kyle calls them DOT training.
D-O-T, die or thrive.
So die, death, it's kind of the same.
And they're really tough.
Like they're,
sometimes I go to bed with a
little bit of anxiety.
No time to get up.
And Monday and Tuesday are like my work,
my evening work days.
So my first session,
it has to be right away or
else I don't have enough time in the day.
So I like get up and I go
like right away downstairs in the garage.
So it's tough.
It's like first thing I roll out of bed.
And they're mostly like high power,
high output, high intensity, minimal rest,
but kind of interval style things.
Like he'll make me do like
something on the rower, let's say.
And then get off the rower
and do thrusters or get off
the rower and do something else.
and then repeat repeat
repeat and he'll make a
pace that I have to hit
that's very it's doable but
it's extremely
uncomfortable like I would
never row the machine at
that pace if I had to get
off and do something but
like that's kind of the
idea and um yeah to kind of
kill yourself on the
machine and then you get
off and do something and
it's it's terrible they're
terrible they're hard um
But yeah, every Monday, Tuesday,
we've been doing that all year,
and it's helped immensely
in so many things.
Does it simulate something
that you think you're going
to see at the games?
Yeah,
we were talking about this the other day.
We were like,
it would be awesome if we did
an interval-style workout like that,
because that's the way I've been training,
but...
Even if we don't, just the way,
like what I've gained from
doing that kind of working
out is going to help me in
so many other workouts anyways.
So really it's a win-win.
It just sucks.
Speaking of interval training,
your question to Dave at
the end of your interview I
thought was brilliant.
And you asked him if he
could redo something, right?
And he talked about the
interval workout that he
thinks he screwed up on.
What I found really cool is
great people always look at
their negatives.
People who do great things
always look at their
negatives because he didn't
just list one.
Then he listed off a bunch
more that he messed up on.
You can tell that he wants
to think about that all the time.
What was that you cut out a little bit?
I asked him and he knew it right.
He spouted them off.
It's like he's his biggest critic.
Right.
And they're right there in
the forefront and you know,
he's thinking about them
all the time and how he's
not going to make that mistake again.
Yeah.
And it's hard when you have
someone like Tia who just
like kind of overachieves, right?
You're like, okay,
the field is going to take
three intervals for this, except her.
And it's like, well,
do you program for one
person or do you program
for the other 39?
I don't know.
Hopefully we've all like
caught up a little,
but still there's going to
be those events that, you know,
it's, it's funny.
Pat was on Savan this
morning and he was saying
that he loved it when Tia
almost broke the test and he loved it.
And BKG almost did the same
on the men's men's side.
And he was like, as an athlete,
we want to break your tests.
Yeah.
Like that's, that's cool to us.
And to him, it's a,
it's a broken thing he needs to fix.
Yeah.
That's because it's like,
that's the ultimate goal.
If you go into a workout and you're like,
okay, no one's going to finish,
it's kind of like, okay,
get as far as we can.
We know no one.
But if there's a chance that
you can or you can break it, as you say,
it's like, yeah.
Yeah.
And Dave has been saying in
these interviews,
the reason he's doing them
is because he felt like
there was an us versus them
with the athletes in CrossFit HQ.
Yeah.
Have you felt that in the past?
You know what?
I kind of not really, I want to say like,
I'm not really in the know.
Like I kind of just show up,
do what's programmed, like whatever.
Like I don't know all the
behind the scene drama and like,
I'm kind of just like, eh.
Ignorance is bliss, right?
Yeah.
Head in the sand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I really enjoy, I'm glad he did them.
I think it did give him some
touch of what athletes go through.
I think it was cool.
I think he learned a lot about us.
Like some of the questions I was like,
do you know anything about any athlete?
But it's cool.
He's a cool guy.
Like he was fun to talk to.
I've been saying for years,
I started this whole
CrossFit life as a volunteer.
And he was so good to the volunteers.
He would come around,
shake everybody's hand,
thank them for coming,
doing all this stuff.
And nobody ever got to see that in public.
Right.
And now with these interviews,
I think they're starting to
see that in public.
Yeah.
He's not the old, like, oh,
we all hate you.
workouts are so bad and you
know I think it it's kind
of a facade like you know
everyone loves to hate the
open workout because it was
so bad and like but the guy
himself is not well and I
think at the end of the day
he wants to highlight you
guys to him that's like the
ultimate success yeah
He says over and over,
I hate programmers that
over-program and don't
let... Simple's better
because the athletes can
then show what they can do.
Yeah, I think he's big on that.
Oh, sorry.
No, no.
I was just going to say, I think he's,
he's big on more just, you're right.
Like simple,
like general fitness and the
best will come through.
It's like,
you don't need all these bells
and whistles and like weird
things and like, you know, but we'll see.
We'll see what's at the games.
I get a sense the athletes
are excited that that's,
we're going back to that.
yeah I am I know like I
think high school is cool
like I think it's it has a
time and a place but it
shouldn't I think you know
we're all doing it because
it's fitness not because so
and so can do a press to
handstand or whatever right
Right.
So speaking of the games,
a couple of things have been announced.
Chad, Dave's talked about that enough.
Then we have the run swim,
which is right up your alley.
How are you on this on the lake swim?
I'm pretty good.
I, I'm a good swimmer.
I'm not, I'm not an ex collegiate swimmer,
but I'm a good swimmer.
So
Yeah, I'm excited.
We don't have a ton of lakes around here,
so I'm only getting out
once or twice before the games,
like actual open water.
But of course,
I've been swimming all year.
And yeah, I'm excited.
I love swimming in lakes,
so it'll be good.
With it being a man-made lake,
I think the only big
difference is sight lines, right?
I did a lesson with an open
water triathlon coach,
I think two years ago now.
And yeah, that helped.
Because it is a big thing
and you have to practice it.
You can't just learn it and be like, okay,
I have it now.
It's something you have to practice.
Yeah, it's different.
And I think maybe that's the
advantage of not being an
ex-professional swimmer is because...
they're so used to looking
at that black line and
having all the sights in the pool.
Well, you were a swimmer, right?
But then when you're in a
lake and you see the dark
and murky waters and you have to spot,
it's completely different.
Yeah.
It's all about sight lines to me.
If you can swim straight,
you're going to do well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's going to be a
really cool event.
I can't wait to see you run against Tia.
Yeah.
I'm excited that the men and
the women are together.
I like that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's, it's just,
I think there are a lot of
people with good running
ability and the great
runners are going to show
what they can do.
And then can you just hang
on for the swim?
Yeah.
And I think, you know,
if you have one and not the other,
you'll still do okay.
But yeah,
it's hard to do really well,
I think because, you know,
so you blast the run,
but then you drown like you,
you know what I mean?
You're like slow in the water or, you know,
if you're not confident swimming,
maybe you can't blast the
run because your heart rate
can't be up here to go in the water.
Right.
So I think, you know,
and if you're a great swimmer,
but you're so far behind from the run,
like that's hard too.
So, you know, I think I'm okay at both.
Yeah.
And then we have Farrington field,
which is going to be a
field sprint and a 1600
meter with a happy star
somewhere in one of those.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I find it hard to believe a
field sprint is just down
the field and that's it,
but I don't know.
Maybe.
So I've said on,
on our like update show
that I hope it's a strong
man's fear type event.
Right.
Like just pick up an object,
run down the field, you know,
different kind.
Like if you remember 2017,
they did that with a yoke,
a sled and the Slater logs
from strong man.
Right.
Yeah.
Is that, is that, you're trying to sure.
I think, yeah, it's got, yeah,
that would be, that'd be super cool.
I'd like to do something like that.
And then depending how long that rest is,
you know,
maybe you have to run a mile on
like lactic legs that,
so everyone's going to
practice a mile and be like, Oh yeah,
that's my mile time.
But then who knows what, I don't know.
And we don't,
maybe the happy stars in the mile.
Yeah,
maybe you got to run with the star on
Bear Hug Mile.
Yeah, I've heard people say run 400,
then run 400 with the happy star,
then variations throughout the mile.
Could be.
Yeah.
Because it's open to the
public and it's on ESPN,
I want it to be something cool.
Not just in track meet.
You know, I hear both ends.
People are also saying like, oh,
just do like a straight up
mile so we can actually
compare CrossFit athletes
to other people that run a mile.
Well, in track,
I don't think anyone runs a mile, right?
It's 1500.
But regardless, I mean...
were pathetically slow in
comparison like let's be
honest like we're gonna
watch people in paris run
the 1500 faster than we run
the 800 pretty much so I
don't know if we'll see
yeah so do you like knowing
the events beforehand or do
you like being surprised
when you get there I don't
want to know anything I
would rather just go and
do what I mean in these next
two weeks you're probably
not going to get if you're
not a good runner you're
not getting better in two
weeks like you know you're
if you can't if you're not
a good lifter you know
you're not putting on 30
pounds in the next two
weeks like it's just
Why no stress about it?
And like people are going to
over practice and like,
how many step ups are you
going to do in the next two
weeks for chat?
Like develop, I don't know,
knee tendonitis or
something like it's just, we don't,
I get it why they do it to
create more hype and like it's coming up,
but like as an athlete, nah,
I don't want to know.
Well,
and they leave out enough details
that you don't really know
what any of these events are.
That's the thing.
You'll practice it one way
and it'll be completely different.
Like I said,
that mile could be on messed
up legs or it could be,
you're right with a sandbag without like,
whatever you train for,
it's not how you're going
to feel on day two of
competition anyways.
And we know Chad has a twist.
Yeah.
You know,
the only thing I think we know is
the run swim.
True.
Yeah.
But then again,
that's like a monostructural thing.
Like you're not getting that much better.
If you're not a good swimmer,
you're not good.
Like you're not going to be
good in two weeks.
It takes years.
Yeah.
Wadzomi says, I'd rather not know.
Can't imagine the mental
stress trying to prep if you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And people,
people will say like the people
who are in week three of second finals,
they'll be like, it's the worst.
Like watching is worse too.
We don't have to watch
people do it at the games,
but like just waiting and
knowing and like how many
variations and intervals
and like different things
that can you do in your training?
Like I would argue that's
not the best two weeks
leading up to a comp, right?
Right.
Right.
And you want to go in with
your body feeling good, not trash.
Yeah.
So yeah, I get that totally.
So what are your
expectations this year or
are you waiting to see what
else is out there?
Um, I'm not waiting.
I have expectations, but I'll keep those,
uh, between me and Kyle right now.
Okay.
But yeah, I want to come in healthy and,
um,
Yeah,
I want to execute the way that I can.
If I go into every event and
come out and be like,
that was the best I could do,
whether it's a first or a 20th,
that I got to be happy with.
What's crazy is we did our top 40...
rankings Sunday night, Carolyn Prevost,
Jamie and myself, I think from two to 14,
you could put in a hopper
and it could come out any which way.
Yeah.
The field has gotten so much
better as a whole.
And then we don't know how
people have improved over the year.
Yeah.
So it's crazy.
Yeah, it could be.
And especially with the games,
so much variety and
different events that you
don't see throughout the year.
So that's, that's the fun part.
So what zombie has one final
question for you and it's
not games related.
What is she doing outside work training,
reading, binging, any shows?
So what do you do?
Compress.
Um,
not much I was telling
someone else the other day
like I feel like there's no
energy to do anything in
this last like month before
the games you're just like
all the energies into
training and then eating
and sleeping like it's so
bad I was gonna sit down
and play piano the other
day because I play piano
and I just couldn't didn't
even have the energy like
to sit there and play piano
I was like I need to just
veg and watch TV um
So yeah, no shows.
I watched the Simone Biles documentary,
of course.
But other than that,
it's a very life in these
couple months here.
I'm looking forward to
letting loose in August and
doing some stuff.
I've never heard the piano
thing in all the times
we've known each other.
Yeah,
I did Royal Conservatory all the way up.
until uh end of grade 12 so
wow elise says she would
love to hear you play oh
maybe one day after the
games I'll practice a song
put it on my put it on the
gram yeah yeah that's
that's just crazy you
caught me off guard with that one
Yeah, we got our piano right in there.
And you think, like,
I guess it takes brain energy,
but I didn't think, you know,
you're just sitting there.
But I couldn't even,
didn't even have the energy for that.
I make a goal, like, games training,
I make a goal to do one
thing a day that's, like, productive.
Like, whether it's, I told Kyle, like,
it's pathetic.
The other day it was check the mail.
Or like, you know,
do one load of laundry or, you know,
scrub the toilets, like do one thing.
And like, as long as I do that one thing,
then everything's going smooth.
I need to use that on my wife.
I just need to get one thing
accomplished today and it's a success.
Yeah.
And whether it's like so
small that like pick up at
or rearrange just that thing by the door,
just like something very small.
Then, yeah, you feel good about yourself.
You're like, okay.
Her list for me is much
longer than one thing a day.
Yeah, I bet.
Well, as always, Emily,
it's a joy having you on here.
I am going to the games.
I wasn't sure that was going to happen,
but we're going.
Great.
We'll be hanging out there rooting you on.
I can't wait to see you out
there on the floor.
Cool.
We'll see you in a few shows.
Yeah, well,
thanks to everybody for joining.
We'll see you next time on
the Clydesdale Media Podcast.
Bye, guys.