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A podcast focusing on the perspectives, lives, and stories of Kansans to provide greater insight into the state we all call home.
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Sydney Collins: This kind of fits with our guest today.
Gus Applequist: Okay.
Sydney Collins: And the best part is this is, a comedian that actually just released a special, um, you can, uh, watch it on Prime. it's Kathleen, I'm gonna butcher her last name. Mad, um, Madigan M Ad. Oh, I know her. Yeah. Kathleen Madigan. So this must be, I haven't had a chance to watch this yet, but this must be, um, a bit from her, uh, new, what do they call those?
Gus Applequist: Special Netflix. Special? Yeah. Okay.
Kathleen Madigan's Kansas Comedy
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Sydney Collins: So, um, and it's about driving in Kansas.
Gus Applequist: Wow.
TikTok: Through Kansas. Through Kansas, nothing, nothing, nothing. And then out of nowhere there's a toll booth and a lady working in it. Wow. I'm like, where do you live? Like in the earth? Do you,
Gus Applequist: do
TikTok: you go down at night [00:01:00] with the coins? I don't have any idea how this lady.
Yeah, and I asked her, I go, ma'am, I would never do this, but I was just wondering what would happen if I didn't pay you. And I just rammed that gate and just kept driving. She goes, well, I don't know ma'am, but I know you would never be allowed to drive through the state of Kansas again. I'm like, well, you should think of a different threat,
Sydney Collins: which obviously if you're a Kansan, you know that all the toll booths are automated now. So this is Must have been,
Gus Applequist: yeah,
Sydney Collins: a very long time ago that she experienced this. Um, but I just thought it was funny. It was very fitting.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's setting expectations high. Yeah.
Sydney Collins: You'd never be allowed to drive through Kansas again.
Well, you probably come up with a different threat.
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Welcome to Ask a Kansan Podcast
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Sydney Collins: Welcome
Gus Applequist: to Ask a Kansan,
Sydney Collins: a podcast where we're amplifying, connecting and uncovering Kansas.
Gus Applequist: So today we're bringing you a, a just another perspective on Kansas from, from a kind of a group that we haven't really talked about. Yeah, and that's the Kansas State Troopers.
Sydney Collins: Joe Owen, um, has been with the Troopers for over 10 years.
Um, he's been law enforcement for over 20. Um, and so he came in, he's a recruiter right now. that is his main job, so, which is awesome 'cause we got swag. We got a little
Gus Applequist: if you, and they're a little stress ball. Make swag. Swag.
Sydney Collins: He's a recruiter, uh, with the Kansas State Troopers, which also means he's super knowledgeable about all things [00:03:00] like trooper wise.
which is, I I never really kind of put. That, I mean, two and two together. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing in my brain, but super knowledgeable. Like anything that we asked, he knew what was happening. Yeah. Which is a lot if you think of like how big the state of Kansas is and like all the corners and everything that goes on, so,
Interview with Joe Owen: Kansas State Troopers
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Gus Applequist: Without any further ado, here's your interview with Joe Owen.
Sydney Collins: All right. I'll say you probably are the first person ever in this building to have a firearm, so welcome. You're the first. Oh, it's, it's a privilege, I guess, huh?
Joe Owen: Yeah.
Gus Applequist: Well, thank you for being here today, us Oh, thanks for
Joe Owen: the invite. Yeah.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. Would you introduce yourself for our audience?
Joe Owen: Uh, my name is Joe Owen, and I am the lead recruiter for the Kansas Highway Patrol, and I've been a trooper for the Highway Patrol for about 13 and a half years now.
Gus Applequist: I, yeah. This also is probably the first time, at least that I can remember having a law enforcement officer in, in the building. So that's, that's, and I'm glad you're here for the reason you're, we haven't had issues. Yeah.
Joe Owen: Yeah. Everybody's glad when we show up for a, a [00:04:00] positive reason. Right. So, and we're glad when we get to show up for positive reasons.
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Gus Applequist: Are you based here in lan or where are you based out of?
Joe Owen: No, I'm actually, um, I've been assigned in Harvey County since about 2014.
Gus Applequist: Okay.
Joe Owen: And, uh, so that's. That's where I live. I worked there for about seven or eight years ish, nine years, somewhere in there before I went into recruiting.
And uh, it's, the recruiting position is a statewide position, and so they just allowed me to stay there. And yeah, we're kind of, we're kind of invested in the community, so yeah, it's good.
Joe Owen's Background and Journey
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Gus Applequist: So you're not originally from Kansas, right?
Joe Owen: No, no. I'm originally from Oklahoma.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. And how did you find your way here?
Joe Owen: so I had some friends, uh, just through like church organizations and things like that. I had some friends that lived in our Kansas City, Kansas South Central part of the state. And um, so I had been up to Kansas quite a few times and then, um, got recruited to Southwestern, uh, college for football and then, uh, met my wife there and, and.
She didn't wanna move, [00:05:00] so here I am. Yeah. She's, she was worth staying for, you know.
Gus Applequist: Yeah, I, I met my wife at Kansas Wesley, so I understand. Yeah. Great. Yeah.
Joe Owen: Yeah.
Gus Applequist: what was your major at Southwestern?
Joe Owen: I actually didn't get to finish Southwestern. Oh, did you really? Okay. Yeah. So there were some things going on, kind of, yeah.
I guess you'd call it politically within the university. and so because of that, some scholarships were pulled. Oh, that's too, uh, from, from the football team. And so, um, I didn't have, you know Yeah. The money to spend at the time mm-hmm. For the full tuition. So I chose to leave and went into the workforce and yeah.
Gus Applequist: Was it directly into law enforcement?
Joe Owen: no. So I first went into like building fence and Yeah. You know, some construction type stuff. Mm-hmm. And then, um, had some, my coaches, they really took care of the players that Oh
Gus Applequist: wow.
Joe Owen: Were kind of mm-hmm. I guess the, the victims of that. And so, they really took care of us and got me connected with the Cali County Jail.
Mm-hmm. The [00:06:00] captain of the jail at the time had been a prior, um. A prior player mm-hmm. At, uh, Southwestern. And so he said, yeah, send him over. We'll do an interview. You know, that kind of a thing. So I, I interviewed before I ever applied. Mm-hmm. And then just went right into the jail and yeah. And so that's kind of how it started.
Sydney Collins: my husband is on the sheriff reserves for McPherson County. He's also working in McPherson County Jail. So know a little bit about that life. But, do you feel like a lot of law enforcement actually starts in doing like jail or, um. There's other jobs that I can't think of right now. Sure.
Or on the admin side, do you think Right. That helps feed into the funnel of law enforcement?
Joe Owen: I think it does. I think it's an excellent prerequisite mm-hmm. For law enforcement. you know, 'cause a person, let's say not everybody is made for the educational institution, you know, and go into college and that kind of a thing.
but you can go work in a county jail. You can work in a dispatch center at 18 years [00:07:00] old. Right? And, and that's what I did. And it gave me a lot of, of opportunity to grow, of opportunity to learn to interact with people and, um, develop rapport. I mean that's communication is what. It's key, right?
That's, that's what will get you through a lot of scenarios without ever having to, do the things that nobody wants to do. Right? And so, um, yeah, I think it's, it's a fantastic starting point, uh, for a law enforcement career. I know it helped me.
Gus Applequist: It seems to me I, I'm not educated in the world of law enforcement very well.
Um, but that, that state troopers are like very well thought of. Like it's a prestigious thing to be a state trooper. Is that true? Oh, thank you. Yeah. Like, well, I know that was the
Joe Owen: case for me when I wanted to come here. Mm-hmm. You know, I went from the jail. Onto road patrol at the sheriff's office at Cali County.
And, all, all my time together, I spent about 10 years there before I came to the Highway Patrol. So I've actually been a law enforcement [00:08:00] officer for over 20 years.
Gus Applequist: Wow.
Joe Owen: And, um, and so for me, I worked a lot with state troopers. I was on a drug task force there at Cali County for several years and got to do a lot of really cool things.
I actually met the current current colonel of the Highway Patrol. He was a DEA agent at the time. Oh, wow. And we were, we worked some cases together, one big case where the DEA came in and helped with manpower and some funding and stuff, before he was ever my boss. Right. Hmm. And so, yeah, that was a, that's, that's kind of pretty cool to be able to look back on some things like that.
But, Also during that time, I worked with a lot of state troopers who, um, helped us out on a lot of cases. When I was a new deputy, they kind of took me under their wing and showed me some things about, about being a road cop officer, survival type stuff, how to make a good case, you know, things like that.
And, um, and so it just made me, made me want to be a state trooper someday, you know? And then once I'd finished my stint on the drug task force, that was the day. Mm-hmm. And so I submitted my application for the [00:09:00] highway patrol.
Gus Applequist: And, and so you have to go through a special program to become a state trooper.
We, our office is located on, on Iron Street in Salina, and so we see state troopers day every day. I follow
Sydney Collins: them into work most days. Yeah. 'cause there, there's
Gus Applequist: just a steady stream going up to the old Marymount College campus where, um,
Sydney Collins: the training center is. Yeah. The
Gus Applequist: training center is. Mm-hmm.
Um, so yeah. Could you just describe, yeah, what, what that process is like of becoming a state trooper?
Becoming a State Trooper
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Joe Owen: our selection process is, is. Pretty, I guess you could say rigorous. Um, it's pretty standard as far as like you gotta do polygraph exams. Mm-hmm. And an online aptitude exam. Um, preliminary interview, very extensive background investigation.
Mm-hmm. Um, interview with our command staff. And, uh, then we have physical agility testing, and I'm sure you've seen the recruits run through here from time to time. And, um, psychological eval, all of those things. And all of those things are put together into a packet that goes up to the colonel's office and they make a final decision on whether or [00:10:00] not, they want to give you an offer.
Right? And then if you accept that offer, then your next step is to report to the Kansas Highway Patrol Training Academy on your assigned date. And, um. 20, it's now going to be 21 weeks. Um, we've adjusted the way the training academy operates a little bit and it'll be 21 weeks of very intensive training.
And, um, the, the way we describe it is it's a high stress paramilitary style academy But to break it down so that most people know what that means, means I was gonna be my next question. It means, uh, it means that it's gonna look a lot like basic training for the military. Mm-hmm. But it's gonna have a law enforcement focus.
Gus Applequist: It's very intense. That confirms everything I've seen driving by like, it Yeah. It looks scary. So it looks scary. Yeah. It can seem more overwhelming. Yes. Uh, have earned that. Right to graduate
Joe Owen: and that's it. Um, when in this uniform, you earn every piece of it during the academy, and so you earn the opportunity to get out of [00:11:00] your recruit uniform and into this uniform.
Mm-hmm. And then on graduation day, you've then earned the opportunity to have your badge badge pinned on you by one of your loved ones. And, and so it's like my wife was able to pin my badge on me on graduation day, and that was a, it was a proud day. you know, you earn the right to wear your hat. You know, everybody, that's how you know a state trooper.
Yeah. It's a big hat, right? And, uh, so that's how you earn the right to wear your hat. There is, there is an accomplishment that, that you achieve in the academy. And from that point forward, you get to wear your hat. And so yeah, everything is earned. Nothing is given.
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Gus Applequist: I'm gonna ask a silly question.
Just I can't stop myself. Does each individual, uh, trooper decide the angle at which they wear their hat? Or is there a
Joe Owen: Yeah, so yeah, so, um, the gauge that we have, you know, is like, this is. Park Ranger, this state trooper.
Gus Applequist: Okay. Yeah,
Joe Owen: it's funny, nothing against Park. I love Park Rangers. No, totally. I make sure to talk to them every time I go to national parks, but yeah.
Um, that's just kind of like the Running Ranger joke park, ranger, trooper, you know?
Gus Applequist: Okay.
Joe Owen: And, uh. So, you know, if I see somebody that has their hat that's kind of tilted up and be like, are we, are we playing goofy today? Or are we working today? You know, so, okay. It's a good question.
Gus Applequist: So you spent 10 years on the road mm-hmm.
As a, uh, trooper on the highways. Yeah. Can you, I [00:13:00] mean, just describe what those 10 years were like, the lessons you learned. Oh, man. Anything
Joe Owen: Probably a lesson that I learned early on is that. No, no opportunity to engage the motoring public is insignificant.
I was, I was a really young trooper.
I actually went out, I was stationed south in southwest Kansas. Okay. In Grant County, Ulysses, Kansas. If you've ever heard of it. for the first about year and a half, and I was just driving on. I think it's 160 160 highway that goes through there and goes over, over into Colorado.
Right? Towards Trinidad. And I was driving through there one day, there was a, a truck doing seven over. I was like, man, I think I might stop this one. Ah, lemme turn on the rear radar and see what it does. Well then it's 74 76. 80 I was like, oh, okay. So yeah, I'm definitely stopping this, this truck.
I turn around and, and, and go after it. And then it's obvious that he's running, right? There's two vehicles, two people [00:14:00] in the vehicle, a man and a woman, and, There was a little bit of back and forth between the two, you know? And, so then it turns out that this guy had, like, we ended up charging him with kidnapping and Oh, wow.
And some different things. And, after we got him stopped, and yeah. So it was like, no, stop is insignificant, you know? And so from that point forward, I, I tried not to, well, you know, I'm only gonna stop 20 over today or 15 over today, or 12 over today, or whatever. It's. I'm gonna stop everything. I have opportunity to stop and just see, well, now I'm have, can have to start driving the speed limit.
Help
Sydney Collins: I commute from mc person every day. Yeah.
Joe Owen: Really? Okay. Okay. Well, you just paid a target. Yeah. Well, I don't know what kind of car she drives yet. Yes,
Gus Applequist: that's fair. Just don't look too careful. Carefully. I will
Joe Owen: say like, I've, I've stopped a guy for three over one time and, and pulled a load of dope out of the vehicle.
Holy, that was holy smoke. Being taken to Kansas State University to be stole, [00:15:00] sold to students. And so, oh my gosh. Like quite literally, no stop is insignificant. Right. And it was just one of those things where, um, I was pretty sure he had some dope in the truck just simply because of an encounter we had had at a gas station.
And, uh, and so I thought, I'm gonna take, I'm not gonna take a look at this. You know? And that's what it end up being. So you just never know.
Roles and Responsibilities of Kansas State Troopers
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Gus Applequist: Well, I, I imagine that the average, uh, Kansan would kind of anticipate what you've described as the role of the, the state troopers. Mm. But, but we know that there's a lot more to your organization Oh, yeah.
Than policing the roads. Oh, yeah. Could you share about that bigger scope?
Joe Owen: Oh, yeah. Um, so something that I. We have these things called command pages. And, and so they, they come from our dispatch center and they go out to, um, um, all of the tro and unit commanders so that they're all apprised of what's going on within the highway patrol at any given time, on any given day.
And so as the recruiter, I began to receive those [00:16:00] and, uh, so I could just follow up on things and mm-hmm. And kind of tell the story, or colonel. One thing that he said when he first came into the highway patrol was, someone is gonna tell the story about the highway patrol. Why shouldn't it be us? Right?
Yeah. And so, but when I started receiving those pages, one thing that I was uh, kind of taken aback by is how often of, of command page goes out that a state trooper is assisting a federal agency who is in our state. Huh? Needing to do whatever it is they do, whether it's the marshal service or DEA or, or F-B-I-A-T-F, you name it.
And so that is one thing is we are usually their first call when, for basically somebody who knows the terrain and, and this is their home state, right? And so, uh, we assist a lot of federal agencies. We assist a lot of local agencies. There was our SWAT team, for instance, SRT, special Response team, is what we call them.
They were in, the Kansas County [00:17:00] just yesterday assisting a local agency who didn't quite have the resources to do what they needed to do. Right. And so, we also have, um. We are the parent organization in the state of Kansas for what's called the, the Criminal Justice Information System. So that is ran through our dispatch center, our communications unit, and uh, but they actually train and certify every.
Operator for the criminal justice information system in the state of Kansas. And that's not just state agencies, it's also local agencies and they audit all of the terminals to make sure that, you know, there's no misuse or things like that happening. And so, and that's for the entire state, for every law enforcement agency in the state.
and then, let's see. There's, we are, our drug, our impaired driver unit is the, um, uh, parent. Organization or unit or team that trains certifies and oversees that program for, um, impaired driver investigation for the entire state, [00:18:00] for every law enforcement agency. So, and those are just a few things, right?
Um, as examples for what the Kansas Highway Patrol does and how we don't just serve our own mission, our own goal, our own interest. But the entire state of Kansas. So yeah,
Sydney Collins: I do have a bucket list question. Oh, no. Okay. So do you get. Do you guys do, um, when you do the impaired driving, uh, uh, training, do you bring in the friends and family to have a few, and that's how your officers are trained
Joe Owen: sometimes.
Okay. Yes. How do I
Sydney Collins: get on that list?
Joe Owen: I can get you connected. Yes, I can get you connected. They're always, so we do what, what's called, even in our recruit school, it's not just for, uh, you know, experienced officers or whatever. Um, in our recruit school, we do what we call wet lab for impaired driver investigation.
I've been through an another academy in the state, and all of the things that you see that you [00:19:00] looked for for clues of impairment during the standardized field field sobriety test, we watched them on a video. And that only does so much. Yeah. Right. And there's so many things that you don't see in the video, but here at the Kansas Highway Patrol Training Academy, we do what's called a wet lab.
And so our impaired driver unit, they are certified in, um, like administering alcohol to To the wet lab drinkers. Right. And to get them to, but then also maintain a certain, uh, blood alcohol level. So there may be some that they are not even close to. That legal per se limit of 0.08 that we have in our state statute here in Kansas.
And then there may be one that's well over and there may be one that's kind of hovering at that line. And so the recruits get. they get a look. Okay. What does it look like when a person's pretty impaired? What does it look like when they're maybe [00:20:00] right at the line? What does it look like when maybe they're below the line, but maybe there's other contributing factors, like maybe they have physical disability, disability, or maybe they don't, just don't have good balance.
They've never been an athlete, right? And so they just, they don't have, um, other physical abilities, and so maybe they seem more impaired than what the. And I would argue that that does lend to more impairment, right? Mm-hmm. Than what the actual blood alcohol level says. You know, so yeah, we get to experience all of those things in the academy.
So by the time we leave the academy, we're not just a basically trained law enforcement officer, you know, per state. This is what state statute says is the bare minimum that you have to be certified to, to be called a law enforcement officer in the state. We're trained, we're trained well above and beyond that to really an intermediate level.
And then we have a, uh, curriculum that. A trooper must complete within their first five years that will train them to an advanced level of, of law enforcement officer.
Sydney Collins: So part [00:21:00] of duties probably that a lot of people don't know is you guys do security for the Capitol. We do, right? Yeah. Can you speak to a little bit about that?
Joe Owen: Yes. So we have, um, several layers of security at the, at the capitol. Um, all of the capitol area guards are under the Kansas Highway Patrol. So they are civilians, right?
So they're not actual. Gun toting certified law enforcement officers. They're not troopers, right? But they provide that first level of security at the capitol. So they're manning the, the gates, they're manning the, um, the metal detectors and all those things. Right? And then we have the Capitol area troopers, and for years they were referred to as the Capitol area, the Capitol police, right?
Mm-hmm. But they got moved onto the Highway patrol several years ago, and they were our troop. K um, and then here recently, it's, it's only been a couple of months. They were reallocated to state Trooper because most of them [00:22:00] had been through our academy anyway. There were only very few left who had been through the Kansas Law Enforcement Training Center.
And so we just, man, let's just make 'em all state troopers. That way everybody's on the same playing field. Everybody's in the same, you know. They, they feel like they're part of the agency. Yeah. 'cause they're wearing the same uniform and everything, right? Mm-hmm. And so now they are the capital, the capital area troopers and Yeah.
And so they do the policing for all of the state capitol complex. Now a trooper can come in off the road. And take a call there if need be or mm-hmm. Or we are coming, if they need help with something or whatever. But, um, but they do, the day-to-day primary duty is to police the state capitol complex and, and all the buildings and the streets around it.
And then they get out into, you know, the city of, um, let's say if maybe they're working second or third shift, there's just not a lot going on at the capitol or whatever, then they can go out into the city and the surrounding county and, and, and then. Just do the duties of a trooper. Right. So, yeah, [00:23:00] it's a pretty interesting job.
Yeah. How did you know about the Capitol area Troopers? Uh,
Sydney Collins: Tanner. Um, our photojournalist just was at the Capitol last week, two weeks ago. Oh. And so did a story about that and so, yeah.
Joe Owen: Oh, great.
Sydney Collins: Yeah.
Joe Owen: Excellent.
Gus Applequist: So I have a two-parter. Um, in, in popular media, like in movies and TV shows, there's often a depiction of cops and, and troopers and fbi mm-hmm.
Where there's a lot of friction between these agencies, right. And the hierarchies that they, so part one of my question is, um, does such friction actually exists? And part two is, do you have a favorite depiction in popular culture of what it means to be a law enforcement officer?
Joe Owen: Hmm. Good questions. I'll answer the second one first.
Okay. Um, I do not watch much like law enforcement shows, like the depictions of law enforcement shows And all that because there is a massive misrepresentation.
Gus Applequist: Yeah.
Joe Owen: But Hollywood is [00:24:00] Hollywood and you have to make a movie that people wanna watch. Right. So, I mean, I get that. but. I watch, like I'll play Blue Bloods in the background.
Oh yeah. Just to let it go. And honestly, I, I really like, um, uh, the Commissioner.
gosh, what's his name that plays that? Mustache man? Mustache man. Tom Selleck. Tom Selleck. Yes. Yeah. Plays, plays. Reagan, what's his first name? I can't remember.
Sydney Collins: I don't, I don't, it's been, even remember since I've watched it.
I don't, yeah. I'm in SWAT right now, now, so I watch it all the time and I just don't
Joe Owen: even pay attention. and so he's probably one of my, one of my better. Yeah, because it's like he's the cross between, old school law enforcement where they were just like, you know, just cracking down on people, right?
Mm-hmm. And hey, get the job done no matter what, no matter what it takes, you know, that kind of thing. And then, The way it should actually be done. Whereas, hey, listen, the people have rights there. We have a US constitution. Mm-hmm. There is case [00:25:00] law. We have rules and regulations, we have policies, and they are all the guardrails that keep us from going over the edge.
Right? Mm. And so. He gets that and represents that and upholds integrity, which is if you give up your integrity in this job, you have nothing left. Mm-hmm. Right. And so yeah, that would be my favorite character depicted. And then, um, let's see what, yeah, so the first part of your question, sorry. Friction between the
Sydney Collins: agencies,
Joe Owen: friction between the agencies, um, not like, has depicted in the.
Um, in the movies, right? So like, we're not rolling up and saying, this Mustaine, get out here. We're not, we're not doing that. Um, we are gonna show up. Let, let's say there's a crash on the highway and maybe Saline County gets there. Before we do, we're gonna roll up and say, Hey, is there anything that we can do to help you?
Right? And, and if they say, Hey, we wanna work this crash. And Yeah. Can you draw a diagram or mm-hmm. Take pictures or what? We're [00:26:00] gonna help 'em in whatever way they need. Right. But then if they say, man, this is a, this is a grinder, this is a pretty bad one. Can you guys work this? Sure. Yeah man, we'll do it.
No problem. And, um, so we'd try to work really well with any of the agencies that we might, uh, come in contact with because, we, for most of them, we have resources that they don't have, right? Mm-hmm. They are here for their use. And so we're gonna help 'em just get the job done in any way that we can because it's better for Kansans that way.
Right. And that's who we're really here to serve. So, yeah. So that's what we're gonna do.
Training and Recruitment Insights
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Gus Applequist: So you're in recruiting.
Joe Owen: Mm-hmm.
Gus Applequist: what, what do you look for in a, in a trooper?
Joe Owen: Number one, you have to have good integrity. That's the first thing we look for. and then you gotta be a person that's, that's willing to learn.
You know, if I see somebody and they're not, like, if they're not fairly humble from the start Probably not gonna [00:27:00] be good, a good fit for our agency. You know, you gotta have some humility and, and then outside of that man in today's world, gosh, it seems like, Drug use is becoming more and more socially acceptable, especially marijuana and alcohol use just seems like it's expected of a young person.
And so, those are the things, though it's still illegal federally, it's still illegal in this state. And those are the things that get a lot of people kind of. Jammed up in our selection process in that it is a hurdle for them and in some cases even a roadblock. And so, um, yeah. Have you, have you maintained your self-discipline in those areas?
Have you maintained good integrity? You know, are you a person that just takes care of personal responsibilities, things like that? Those are the people we look for.
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Sydney Collins: I will say my favorite depiction I've got, I am a huge uh, uh, cop, show fan, so I just finished all the seasons of NCIS.
I'm now on a SWAT, but my favorite movie of all time is Super Troopers, and I'm really sorry, but it is by far my favorite movie just because of the outrageous things you're like, that is never gonna happen in real life. Granted, I do wanna know if anyone's ever tried the meow trick.
Joe Owen: I can neither confirm nor deny whether or not I have personal knowledge of somebody using the Meow Trick.
Sydney Collins: That's funny.
Joe Owen: Or any other,
Sydney Collins: or any other.
Gus Applequist: so one of, you know, our pre-interview, uh, you, you, you told Julie that, uh, you're into ham radio in a big way. I am. That's pretty exciting. Yeah. I wouldn't have guessed that.
Joe Owen: Yeah. [00:29:00] Really? Yeah. Do I not look like a nerd? I, well, let's say Tanner, I'm totally a nerd man.
Tan, a ham radio
Sydney Collins: operator. I fully expect Tanner to be a ham radio operator. Yeah. I grew up with a dad who is a ham. Yeah. I fully can see my dad being a ham. Right. I, yeah. You don't fit the, you don't fit the ham.
The Appeal of Ham Radio
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Sydney Collins: Tell us about, tell
Gus Applequist: us about the appeal and, and what mm-hmm. Your involvement.
Joe Owen: So, I've always had an interest in two-way radio communication.
Like when, when we were younger, my brothers and I would have CBS in our trucks and mm-hmm. And talk back and forth, that kind of thing. But then, you know. You get busy with other things and you stop doing those, but then, um, in like 2020. We all know how 20 we all had. Mm-hmm. Most of us had a lot of extra time on our hands and my father-in-law had a lot of extra time on his hands.
And so he's talking about ham radio, this ham radio that you gotta get your license so we can talk this, that, and the other. So I'm like, okay. And I had already considered this in the past, you know? Okay, fine.
Getting Licensed During COVID
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Joe Owen: And so, and it was not until 2021, like [00:30:00] January that I actually got COVID. And so, well, what am I gonna do with all, because at that time.
if, if we showed any symptoms at all. Mm-hmm. Or so, like for myself, I don't know if I should just go this deep, but like, anytime I get sick, I get, I get bad bronchitis afterwards. Oh, brutal. And so I had bronchitis after COVID Oh man. For like a month. And so it was almost a month that I was just like. On leave.
because I, I had continuing symptoms, right? Mm-hmm. And so, and that's just, that's just the way we were handling things back then. Everybody was, this was unknown, right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And so, like what am I gonna do with all this time on my hands? So I sat there reading the manual for, 'cause you have to study, you have to take a test from the FCC and all this kind of stuff to get your license.
And, um, and so. I, uh, I read the technician manual and then I read about half of the general manual 'cause there's different classifications and levels of licensing. And um, and [00:31:00] then I got bored after making it about halfway through the general manual, I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna go take the test.
And I did, and I passed the technician and the general licensing, which that's really where you get most of your bandwidth for radio frequency from. and so yeah, I've been, been operating ever since. And so, um, and then.
First Ham Radio Setup
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Joe Owen: I just happened into an estate sale where they were selling a Of course, yeah. A very nice amateur radio.
And so I bought that and some other equipment and got all set up. And then, I called my father-in-law. I was like, Hey man, I got, I just got my license in. I got my radio. I'm ready to go. Let's see if we can make contact with each other. And then he confessed to me that he did not actually have his. Ham radio license.
And he had set me up this entire time. And so then I, uh, so he had some amateur radios and he was listening. 'cause you can listen all you want. Yeah. You
Sydney Collins: can listen. You can just can't. Broadcast.
Joe Owen: Broadcast. Yeah. And so, uh, yeah, he had set me up [00:32:00] this whole time and so then I started harassing
Gus Applequist: him
Joe Owen: and uh Oh, that's funny.
And he finally did get his license. My brother got his, and then so we all just kind of talk around and have fun with it.
Ham Radio and Professional Insights
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Gus Applequist: Is there anything you've learned, uh, in, in your ham radio, stuff that you've brought back into your, I mean, I guess it's different now that you're not on the road, right. Um, but still, yeah.
Joe Owen: Yes. So, also about the time that, uh, that I was studying for the amateur radio license, you may, may or may not remember the, but the at t headquarters was bombed in Tennessee. Oh That actually caused, we have at and t service our personal
Gus Applequist: mm-hmm.
Joe Owen: Uh, cell phone. and that actually caused a little bit of disruption to service in, in Newton, Kansas of all places.
Right. Really? And I'm like, oh, okay. So that just kind of, um, that just kind of made it real to me how sensitive the, the communication system is and, um, that it [00:33:00] doesn't take much to cause. Some issues, right? Mm-hmm. Well, with amateur radio, as long as there's not atmospheric interruptions, which. Come from only a couple of places, you can pretty much communicate.
Mm-hmm. And so, so then that causes me to, um, think about things in my professional capacity because now we have a radio system that's very interti and connected to the internet and some things like that. So it's like, okay, well if something goes down with one of those repeater systems. What's our, what's our overlap, what's our fallback?
You know, that kind of thing. And so it's, it's caused me to think about some things like that and brings, bring some things up to our Department of Homeland Security Liaison and, and that kind of thing. So, yeah. And, and you know, they take measures. There are measures in place, right. And so yeah, we will, we will have communication abilities among.
Law enforcement in the state of Kansas and [00:34:00] first responder communities and things like that, if the current system that we're using mm-hmm. Goes down. So yeah, it's been, it's been pretty cool to see things like that and, and then know how to just grab a couple pieces of wire and make an antenna and just do what I need to do.
If, you know, if something gets. Something just catastrophic happens, right? So yeah, plan for the worst. Hope for the best. We're saying we're all
Sydney Collins: going to your house if the world ends about it.
Joe Owen: I hear that a lot. It's gonna be super crowded.
Sydney Collins: We're just gonna build a compound right in Newton.
Winter Driving Safety Tips
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Gus Applequist: You know, we're entering one of the more dangerous seasons of the year.
Mm-hmm. Um, on Kansas Highways. Yeah. Any, anything that, that Kansas drivers just need to be reminded of this winter season?
Joe Owen: Yeah. Like everybody loves grandma, right? And everybody wants to get to her house, but
Sydney Collins: grandma's fine. Grandma's
Joe Owen: fine. She'll be fine for 10 more minutes while you drive the speed limit to get there.
Speed [00:35:00] is literally the most. Um, most proliferate contributing circumstance to fatality collisions in the state of Kansas. Hmm. And almost into any collision in the state of Kansas. Speed, distracted driving, you know, aggressive driving, that kind of thing. Man, just don't do that. And obvious the, uh, the obligatory thing I have to say.
Don't drive impaired. Right? Yeah. It's the holidays. Everybody wants to have wine with Christmas mm-hmm. Dinner or whatever, or have beers while they're all watching the football game, you know, as, as the playoffs are going on. Right. And things like that. Don't drive impaired, have a driver and, uh, everybody will get home safe and everybody will have a good holiday.
FIFA's Impact on Kansas City
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Sydney Collins: so FIFA's coming to Kansas City.
Joe Owen: Yes, they are.
Sydney Collins: Has that affected the Kansas side treat? Like how is that working? Because you have the Missouri probably state troopers, you have the Kansas State Troopers. Mm-hmm. You have KC Metro.
Joe Owen: Right.
Sydney Collins: How is that kind of, I don't know, task force, if that's what it is?
Yeah. [00:36:00] Right. Coming together
Joe Owen: it's, it's coming together really well. We actually already have a really good working relationship. Mm-hmm. With. The Missouri Highway Patrol, KCK, KC mo, all the, all the agencies around there. I mean, you have so many, there's
Sydney Collins: so many of
Joe Owen: the smaller agencies. Mm-hmm. You know, like the Olathe, the ES, and Yeah.
You know, all the counties. Um, yeah. And so they actually work really well together mm-hmm. Up there in the KC metro area. And so yes, it is affecting all of those agencies because where are people, where are they practicing? Where are they staying? Where are all of the attendees staying? you're not gonna be able to get a hotel room in the greater Kansas City metro area during the months of June and July.
Mm-hmm. Period. and so yes, it, it is affected, but the interoperability is coming together really well. And, uh, so I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be really good for Kansas, that FIFA's coming to. KC and it's, it's gonna be [00:37:00] good. It's gonna be a hectic time, you know, but we already have, I mean, there's Arrowhead Stadium.
Yeah, there's the Royals over on the Missouri side. Yes. Mm-hmm. But it's so close to Kansas that it significantly affects the Kansas side. Think about like traffic flow, people staying in hotels, that kind of thing, going to dinner. And so, we are, we're already kind of used to that. Especially like, man, when the Royals were winning the World Series when Casey mm-hmm.
Uh, when the Chiefs were winning the Super Bowl, that kind of thing. Mm-hmm. Like, just think about the spread of all of those people coming into KC had over that entire area. We're already used to that. And we have NASCAR on the Kansas side, you know? Yeah. And so, yeah, the interoperability was already there.
It's just now it's, it's, it's gonna kind of be a little bit of a different thing because you're thinking of. One football game on a Sunday. Mm-hmm. One baseball game on a Tuesday, whatever. but now it's gonna be over a month period. And so it's gonna be all of those efforts for a [00:38:00] month, month and a half, you know, so
Gus Applequist: big soccer fan.
Joe Owen: No.
Gus Applequist: What is surprise?
Joe Owen: No, I, no. So like, if a soccer game is on, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna just like, turn the channel or whatever. Yeah. But I'm not seeking it out.
Gus Applequist: Yeah, yeah. I'm with
Joe Owen: you. Yeah. So it'll be interesting. It will be. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Maybe I'll become a big soccer fan after, after the summer. Yeah.
Yeah.
Personal Reflections on Law Enforcement
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Gus Applequist: kind of in, in, in a way to wrap things up, um, what, what does your badge mean to you?
Joe Owen: Oh man, they're getting real philosophical. It's, yeah, it's getting personal. So, my life has been significantly affected by crime and people making poor decisions before I ever became a state trooper or law enforcement officer.
Um, my grandmother was nearly killed in a drunk driving collision when I was young, and so she had some, uh, physical, Not disabilities but effect. Right. Um, as a result of that, and then I was injured in a drunk driving [00:39:00] collision when I was young. I was still in a car seat and I remember the crash. Wow.
And so like, that's the kind of impact that these things have on people. Right. And that's, and that's, and that's if nobody dies in it. Right. And then, um, my grandfather was. On my mom's side, this is the other side of the family. My, my grandfather was murdered when I was young. And so then I grew up, um, just kind of watching my mom and her siblings, and it still affects 'em even today, be, uh, survivors of a homicide victim.
Mm-hmm. You know, and then all of the things I've encountered in my job. Right. And so somebody needs to stand in the gap between the. The part of society that wants to do the right thing and wants to be the good person and just wants to help their fellow man and all this kind of stuff. And the people who don't.
Right? And the people who stand in that gap are the law enforcement officers in America, you know? And then specifically within the state of Kansas. [00:40:00] And so if I don't stand in that gap, who's gonna do it? Right? And if I don't fill the gap, well. What does that mean? Both for myself, for the citizens of the state, for my agency.
yeah, so that's what it means to me is to fill that gap and do it with integrity and, and just uphold my, my personal morals, which strongly tie into, how I treat you, the citizen, right? And, um, yeah. And so I just try to do it the best I can. I'm not, I'm not perfect person. Right.
But I try to do it the best that I can.
Gus Applequist: Thank you for your service. Thank you. And, uh, uh, thank you for all, all that your organization does as well. And, and thanks for coming on asking Kansan today. Yeah,
Joe Owen: thank you. Thank you for the invite and the opportunity.
Sydney Collins: This was great. It was great. Thanks. Thanks.
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Gus Applequist: Well, we hope you enjoyed that interview with Joe Owen. Uh, I thought, in some ways Joe like fit the mold of what I expect a state trooper to be like physically. He's a very large buff. Dude. Intimidating dude. Yeah. Um, which is, I mean, honestly what we need in our state troopers probably is, is like, someone
Sydney Collins: that'll scare the pants outta you just by walking up.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. But it was, it was fun to not be just scared of him. You know, we actually, we, yeah, we got past the, uh. And got to who he is and what his passions are and all that. So,
Sydney Collins: and he just kept getting cooler too. So after we turned the cameras off, he's like, yeah, but we we're gonna, I gotta play the drums. And I'm like, can you like, get any [00:42:00] like cooler?
Gus Applequist: Yeah.
Sydney Collins: Because he's, he's, and he's, he's just an all around really cool dude. and I'm really looking forward to possibly being. Uh, part of, uh, the wet lab. So that is, I'm not, I'm being very serious. That is a bucket list for me.
Gus Applequist: You know, there are outta pure
Sydney Collins: curiosity,
Gus Applequist: there are few professions that are as defined by a specific type of facial hair.
Sydney Collins: Then law enforcement with their mustaches.
Gus Applequist: Exactly, exactly. Yeah. It's iconic and, and his was well trimmed. It was great.
Sydney Collins: All right, meow. Now onto, um, the Kansas. Sorry, I had to get that one in there. Super Troopers all time. Favorite movie. If you've never watched it, please watch it. you'll get the meow reference.
Okay, so.
Kansas History: Amusing Incidents
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Sydney Collins: We're doing another Kansas history segment, and these are just fun stories. There's no trivia behind it, just 'cause they're funny. Um, and I did learn a lot through this. Okay, so again, newspapers.com Thank you for [00:43:00] maybe hopefully sponsoring us someday. All right, let's proceed. This is comes from the Abilene daily reflector, December 27th, 1909.
Um, and if you're seeing this, you can see that amusing incident. It's highlighted because those were my keywords today. Amusing incident. So an amusing incident occurred when the first set of plans for the church was submitted by Bishop Vale. When received, it was found that the plans made no provision for windows.
And they were returned to the bishop with a suggestion that, uh, they were incomplete. The Bishop promptly sent them back again, uh, accompanied by the statement that those plans were absolutely correct as he wanted them. Again, they were returned and said, and hinted, uh, that the church might need windows.
This time, uh, uh, let's say this time, their location was de [00:44:00] designated. The building was completed. Not until cold weather came on, uh, necessitating the place, placing of a stove, was it found that the church had no chimney.
Gus Applequist: The bishop enjoyed the joke.
Sydney Collins: Yeah. The bishop enjoyed the joke. So I don't know if the parish enjoyed the joke of no.
Of a cold church, but.
Gus Applequist: I wonder, 1909, was there electricity in most things By 1909? Yeah. I don't
Sydney Collins: know about rural. In the city there was alene.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. So I guess, I guess they're like, well, windows are only there because we don't have light. Yeah. Without them, I don't know. It's, it's very interesting. Yeah.
Abilene would've been very weird with the windowless church.
Sydney Collins: Yeah. There you go. Mm-hmm. Bishop enjoyed the joke.
Gus Applequist: I'm still not convinced it was a joke. Yeah.
Sydney Collins: Um.
Gus Applequist: I think he was going for a very specific vibe at That's, yeah,
Sydney Collins: I
Gus Applequist: think so.
Sydney Collins: But anyway. All right. Um, so this one is pretty [00:45:00] long. There's actually a second slide after this, but Oh, wow.
I couldn't fit 'em all into one, so, okay. Uh, another amusing incident, and this was from the Leavenworth Post July 20th, 1912. And I'm gonna butcher this a lot 'cause there's obviously we're all a lot of old English in here. As here, four said, uh, there. Here. Two, four. Mm-hmm. Oh, here. Here. Two four. Sure. There you go.
Yep. See, I'm gonna butcher it. Mm-hmm. Uh, there were many amusing incidents in connection with the efforts of the police to carry their instructions into effect. Uh, patrolman Quinn stationed at fourth and Cherokee Streets. Had the hardest job. He encountered several farmers Express men and auto drivers who tried to run their horses and machines over him.
Yikes. But, uh, but where, but were unsuccessful. Quinn stood in the middle of the intersection of the two thoroughfares, and when his hand went up, it was a [00:46:00] signal to stop. Some stopped and others didn't. Those who didn't were called to one side and given some good advice, after which they were given another chance.
The greatest offense, uh, was the sharp turning of corners. This undoubtedly is the most dangerous practice on public streets as it endangers lives in property by collisions. The ordinance requires that all drivers take wide turns. That is, they must drive from the right side of the street, from which they come to the right side of the street.
They enter.
Gus Applequist: So you're, you're telling me that, that there's always been some problematic drivers in Kansas? Yeah. Even a hundred some years ago. Always
Sydney Collins: problematic drivers. Interesting. And here's the best part is I think this is when they started really implementing like right side of the road, kind of. Hmm.
Trying to designate traffic.
Gus Applequist: Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: Is what I'm assuming anyway.
Gus Applequist: Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: Um, please continue. Sorry. [00:47:00] We'll continue. Um, let's see, uh, the. Uh, this eliminates the probability of collisions and saves the corner curbing. At the same time, a farmer approached patrolman Quinn from the South at 10 o'clock. Uh, when he reached the corner, he immediately proceeded to enter Cherokee Street by seeing how close he could come to the curbing.
He was hailed by the officer and cautioned against the repetition of his offense. Well, I Swan said the farmer. Um, I think it's supposed to say swear, but maybe I'm wrong. Well, I swan said the farmer, if things ain't getting the worst I ever seen, I really do believe a fellow won't be able to come to the city soon without having a policeman hailing him at every corner.
I
Gus Applequist: like, was this reporter standing there?
Sydney Collins: [00:48:00] I, I couldn't tell you. Is this
Gus Applequist: all Yeah, this interesting. This is
Sydney Collins: a slow news day, I think July 20th, 1912 in Leavenworth Patrolman Station at the, uh, other crossings had similar trouble. The drivers of motorcar seemingly, uh, were the most determined to run over the cornermen, but they were all treated alike and told that if there was any more.
Monkey business, there would be something doing for them as a rule of warning, uh, was obeyed and when those warned returned, they observed the regulations. Let's hope that Chief Murphy will continue to keep the cornerman on the job and especially on Saturday. They are needed.
Gus Applequist: They are needed. Um, it's funny in our interview with Joe mm-hmm.
That he talked about standing in the gap.
Sydney Collins: Yep.
Gus Applequist: And, and there's times when standing in the gap is like a life threatening thing. Mm-hmm. And then there's times like this where he has to stand in the [00:49:00] gap and just deal with annoying people.
Sydney Collins: Yep.
Gus Applequist: And we need both.
Sydney Collins: Yeah. We need both a hundred percent. Okay. That was interesting.
Yeah, that was a good one. Um, I put a map on this one mainly because. Does anyone know where Saha is? Saha. Saha. Saha. Saha. Saha.
Gus Applequist: Bertha.
Sydney Collins: Bertha, Bertha. See news to me it's at the corner of the state. We're sorry. Sorry, my bad. That's a hundred percent on me, but this comes from the, you say it.
Gus Applequist: The Republican heritage.
Yeah, that one.
Sydney Collins: Alright. Uh, an amus, this one really had me giggling an amusing golf incident. Um, and this is February 17, 17th, 1898.
Gus Applequist: February 17th, 1898. 1898. Okay. Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: All right. An amusing golf incident. One of the funniest sites of the golf season was witnessed at the women's tournament on a certain very.[00:50:00]
Hilly links in the metropol what?
Gus Applequist: Metropolitan district. Metropolitan
Sydney Collins: District. Mm-hmm. Sorry.
Gus Applequist: That's okay.
Sydney Collins: Uh, the wind was blowing a gale so that the women's skirts as they stood on the, on the tees to drive waved like flags and flapping like sails when a boat is tacking. I wish I could make a lot of this up, but I can't.
I actually
Gus Applequist: know what that means.
Sydney Collins: You do? I do, yeah. Okay. Okay. Well you, 'cause you're, you did sailing a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Mm-hmm. Um, US land lockers are not so, so, all right. This, uh, see this inter interfered somewhat with the swing in driving and one young matron t thought out a plant to offset the wind.
At the next tee, when she stood ready to drive the matron had the little catty boy clutch firmly at the back of her dress. The boy knelt down and obeyed orders. Uh, the plan worked like a [00:51:00] charm until when just at the top of the swing, between the pressure of the wind and the tug of the boy, the young woman lost her balance, and with amazing, uh, rapid, rapid rapidity, rapidity.
Sat down on the kneeling youth. The, so the, the men about the men about the tee promptly turned their backs, uh, to the scene, but they never forgot the terrified expression of the caddy when he saw the woman toppling down upon him. Nor, uh, let's see, nor the startled face of their player as with club high in the air.
She.
Gus Applequist: Succumbeded to the force of gravitation. So this, this was reported in the sbe, it's, but it's actually
Sydney Collins: from the New York Sun, but I just could not,
Gus Applequist: yeah. It's painting a very [00:52:00] specific visual image. Very specific image. Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: Mm-hmm. Um, but yeah, it was just so super funny, uh, story. Basically, a gal had, as in, you know, 1898, big skirts were a thing.
Um, and so she had, uh, the boy hold her skirt so they wouldn't get in her way. Mm-hmm. She lost her balance and accidentally sat on him.
Gus Applequist: You know, it's good to know that 127 years later, physical comedy is still a thing. Still a mainstay of comedy. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: Yep.
Gus Applequist: Wow.
Sydney Collins: I'm more impressed that you did that math so quickly.
Gus Applequist: Oh no, I've been working on that math since.
Sydney Collins: Oh, that's, shoot. Is there another one after this? I don't remember. Oh, there is. Oh yes, yes, yes. Okay. So I learned a lot from this one. Um, blue laws, so there's the blue sky laws and there's the blue laws. So blue sky laws. Were, um, some regulations that were put in place by the state of Kansas that [00:53:00] you, that basically before you can invest in something, you had to do a lot of background checks, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Hmm. Something along those lines. Blue laws, um, were basically, you could not do business on Sundays. Oh, okay. Yes. So that's where this, um, article comes from. So that's the background you need for this article. So blue laws worked very fine yesterday. They were on the job all day long to towns discussed. Mm.
So something is, so I, there's some, I guess, rebuttal that the people want to be open 'cause they need to make money versus the laws. So there's a lot of stories in this whole article, but the one that was more the most funny was. And this is from the Garden City Telegram, June 23rd, 1911. Um, an amusing thing happened.
Speaking of the mayor. They were speaking of the mayor earlier. Uh, Mr. Gleason was suffering from a severe headache. He went to [00:54:00] Clark in Days, das, das Clark, and das, um, to get a promo. I'll talk, tell you what that is here in a minute.
Gus Applequist: Thank you. Mm-hmm.
Sydney Collins: Um, he begged like a good fellow and undoubtedly needed the relief.
Ms. Ida Ousley wouldn't let him have it. However, unless, um, unless he would come back, um, with an order from the mayor, the mayor's assistant didn't come back. So basically, here's, here's what I can't figure out from what I could research. Bromo is actually like, it's called a bromo seltzer. It was actually for stomach aches, but this is reporting that he had a headache.
Which doesn't make any sense unless there's another bromo that I don't know about. If you're, you
Gus Applequist: Tellman, this guy really just wanted like a Coke. He's like,
Sydney Collins: pretty much,
Gus Applequist: I have a headache. I need a Coke. It's Sunday. I'm going to the mayor.
Sydney Collins: Yeah. They wouldn't sell it to him unless they got a, a order from the mayor saying that Wow.
An exception can be made.
Gus Applequist: And the town was [00:55:00] disgusted.
Sydney Collins: Yeah. So
Gus Applequist: yeah. It is crazy simultaneously how, how little has changed in some ways when you look back at some of this stuff and also how much has changed.
Sydney Collins: Mm-hmm.
Gus Applequist: And health, thankfully is one of those things. Yes. Yeah.
Sydney Collins: But yeah, there you go. Well, thank you.
There's your small tidbit of Kansas history today.
Gus Applequist: Yeah. I learned, I didn't know the blue sky nor the blue laws. Mm-hmm. So that's, that's very good.
Closing Remarks and Appreciation
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Gus Applequist: you know, in full honesty to our audience, we're recording this in December, December of 2025, and I was thinking about, we kinda wrapped up the year mm-hmm.
And, and we, we recognized a lot of people, but I never felt like I recognized you as co-host Oh, as my, and so I just wanna say like how much I appreciate you Sydnee, and how, if this, if it was just me up here, how bad it would be. You bring a lot and
Sydney Collins: vice versa. If it was just me up here, it'd be all crazy.
Yeah.
Gus Applequist: I, I think we have a good partnership here and I, I really appreciate you and all that. You've, all the work that you've put [00:56:00] into this podcast, so thank you.
Sydney Collins: Thanks. I don't like being recognized on software, but sometimes it has to happen. I appreciate you guys. Oh, thank.
Gus Applequist: Thank you. I, I and all the
Sydney Collins: nice niceties that I have somewhere up in my brain that I'll just tell you later.
Gus Applequist: No, I this, yeah. The point here was not to push things back in myself, but thank you.
Sydney Collins: As usual, please like, share, subscribe. Um, it please leave a review on whatever platform you are listening or watching from, and we will see you next time.
Gus Applequist: Thanks for tuning in.