Vlad Stan – SprintDojo

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Dagobert (00:01)
Hey Vlad, welcome to Launch Day.

Vlad From SprintDojo (00:04)
Hey, Dago, good morning. ⁓ Yeah, thank you so much for having me here. I'm actually very excited. Quick note here, right, because I took your course on X and on Twitter and I feel like I know you so well, Because I've seen so much video and yeah. Yeah, yeah, really appreciate that. actually, ⁓ seven hours so long? I don't think so.

Dagobert (00:18)
yeah, you watch everything like the six, seven hours. my God.

If you look at the

meme bonus and the update I made in September for X, it must be

Vlad From SprintDojo (00:32)
I actually checked the update

and everything, which was also really appreciated, which actually made me understand that you are someone who really cares about the product and who's using it. I mean, you updated this after everybody paid and you put lots of effort just to send this update. It was really appreciated just to let you know about this. And I feel like I know it so well right now, but you don't know nothing about me. So let's get this started.

Dagobert (00:48)
Yeah, two years later, yeah.

Yeah, wow, really cool man, appreciate it. And yeah, this course, it's funny. It doesn't sell that much anymore. Maybe I still make 500 a month from it, something like that, it depends, which is not bad. It's just that when I started it was way more. And it's hard, feel, I'm thinking I should make another one now, which is kind of like...

vibe tweeting because I kind of like change my style of tweeting now and it's more chaotic and but it's kind of like yeah but it's kind of like maybe I'm still experimenting so I'm not ready to make a new approach to but I think I want to make something that's not a course anymore I want to make something like I don't know something that's shorter maybe just one hour of just pure value just like just like a hundred awesome tips like so because I think courses the problem is

Vlad From SprintDojo (01:30)
I've seen it all. Yeah.

Dagobert (01:54)
I'm glad you watched everything, but I think most people they buy it and then maybe they don't. Like it seems a bit too much. So for some people who are very serious, it's great to have this structure and this whole thing, but I'm thinking of doing maybe something else. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (02:11)
I think you can. So actually I took a couple of different courses on on X or Twitter, you know, not not only yours, I think I my favorite one is yours. I can see value in other courses, so I don't want to say anything, you know, about them. And and by the way, I've seen your dilemma about courses or products or everything, you know, I think at the end, what what really matters is like the value you are providing, you know, like for for the customer at the end, right? And and if you can take value from a video, like it's perfect.

Dagobert (02:24)
Okay, thank you.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (02:40)
just, you know, and I'll pay for it for this. And yeah, I think your course is pretty good. If someone, you know, is considering this, think they should, they should go for it. ⁓ I think, yeah, you're right, Twitter, like X right now is changing a lot. I think we're moving to a new type of marketing, which is this kind of marketing. You need to understand this, these things, you know, like, and how these algorithms are designed and what's behind and everything. Even if you

Dagobert (02:42)
Yeah, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (03:09)
Maybe you will never become an influencer or something, but it's very important for a founder to understand all these things and all these principles and how it works. And at least you know what to ask for, know, like if you work with someone or something. So, yeah, very powerful stuff over there. And if you want to do something else, I would encourage, would be, yeah, I'll be happy to take a look again. Yeah.

Dagobert (03:28)
I appreciate it. That's awesome. That's

interesting what you said about influencer because ⁓

Like, you I was starting on Twitter in 2021 and I used it to promote my startup at the time. You I was mostly focusing on my story and then letting people go to my profile and check it out by themselves. I was very rarely really promoting it, but it was working. But once I got, think.

6,000 followers, like it's approximate, it's not a hard number, just around that time, I had the ceiling of what I was selling, you know, and then between 6,000 and 50,000, I didn't make more money until I started selling the Twitter course, but with my startup, it wasn't making more money. So it's interesting, you know, and I have many examples of that. I have some guy I know for a long time. He literally, when he posts something,

And even four years ago when the algorithm was easier for small accounts, he was having two likes. And this guy was making 30K a month with his social accounts because it was about influence and about having the right product for the right people. So I really want to highlight what you said because it's very important for people to know this. Being an influencer, it's not like, it's a...

It's just like I do it because I wanna do this, I enjoy, I'm good at it, it's my thing, but it's not like a business decision. Like if you're just trying to grow a business, it's good to go, I think the most important is to go from zero to 1,000 or something like that. Because then you reach a level where like you can have a bit more opportunities.

you can talk with people who otherwise wouldn't respond to you because you have no authority, so they don't know if they should trust you. But just having like, I don't know, couple likes on every tweet, like maybe 10, ⁓ it's a good thing to aim for, especially nowadays. And like a thousand followers and a couple dozen people who are engaged, you have reached like, you're gonna open so many doors and that's already amazing.

Vlad From SprintDojo (05:47)
I think you can use this tool like in so many different ways, right? mean, what this, of course, you first of all, you can decide to become an influencer as a founder and then kind of promote your product and everything. I think this is pretty tricky and complicated to be honest. ⁓ But for me, I think what is super valuable in this case is like I can connect with so many different people and you can have conversations about, know, ⁓ topics, which is not possible otherwise, you know, like it's.

I mean, if you travel or something, so like it's actually really, really powerful. I think this channel anyway will be challenged as well with AI and everything, because you don't know if the tweet is by me or by AI. So you'll have lots of things to think about. But I think this is the reality we're facing. So we need to know. again, back to your course, I admire you know,

Dagobert (06:16)
Yeah, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (06:45)
having the courage and actually taking responsibility to put something out there and actually inform people about these things. Because it's actually pretty hard to find this. I mean, little things, but they're like really, really hard to understand by yourself. And it takes so much time. And just pay 20, 30 bucks and boom, you can be updated so quickly. It's powerful. So yeah, thanks again. And one more thing, I've seen your progress with the tweets, right? Because when you started like a couple of years ago with the course,

Dagobert (07:07)
Awesome.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (07:14)
I think right now indeed you change. think right now, like the more, the way I'm thinking of you right now is more like ⁓ Ricky Gervais or something. So it's like you're trying to be like funny, sarcastic, ⁓ which is something I enjoy your tweets to be honest. As like, know, like funny things sometimes it's not necessarily like something super useful, but you know, like something funny and makes you like smile. Exactly.

Dagobert (07:31)
Okay, I'm glad, I'm glad.

Yeah, and makes you maybe laugh and maybe think differently. Yeah.

It's like, you know, because for me, you know, the whole system I teach in my course, it's kind of heavy. It works, but it's hard work, you know, but it really works. And so, but, you know, there was nobody more obsessed than me. You know, at the time I hold this course, I mean, I recall it, I was coming out of one year of doing that heavily and I was spending, you know...

Vlad From SprintDojo (07:50)
It is, yeah. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah. Yeah.

Dagobert (08:09)
Like the minimum of active time per day was four hours, but I was usually spending eight hours, sometimes 10 hours. I was just doing that. That's a full-time thing. And that was, you know, in the end, I was kind of like burning out to be honest, like too much. And so that's why now, you know, I burnt out and then eventually I took a break, then I came back. And now I'm like, you know, if I want to do this for the longterm, I have to enjoy myself.

Vlad From SprintDojo (08:16)
⁓ yeah. It's full thing. Yeah, it's like you don't have anything today. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Dagobert (08:38)
and I have to put less pressure on myself. And it's scary because, you know, I have like 100k followers or something and it's scary because, I mean, I say or something as if I don't know exactly how many I have, but I do know exactly how many I have. I'm pretending to be more chill than I am. I have 111,206 or something like that. I'm not even kidding. Let me check to be sure, just for fun. But yeah, oh my God.

Vlad From SprintDojo (08:41)
Yeah.

127, 212. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dagobert (09:07)
I have hum. Yeah, yeah. I'm just sometimes trying to be more chill. I said, yeah, 241, not six. But yeah, I was off by the 30 because I didn't check today. So anyway, yeah, that's just saying that's how it can make you obsessed, you know, and I was always obsessed with this. And now I'm like, and what was scary is like, OK, I'm going to take the risk now and I'm going to change what I post. You know, I used to be

Vlad From SprintDojo (09:09)
That was funny.

Yeah.

Dagobert (09:35)
one tweet per day and one meme per day, like one story, one meme that was like this for like two years. And now I don't post memes anymore and I post 30 random thoughts. And when I started doing that, I lost many people. I lost like, I don't know, a thousand followers in one week or something. And that's like, maybe not 1000, but that's like maybe 500, but that's scary. But that's so cool though, because now I really, I mean.

Vlad From SprintDojo (09:47)
Yeah.

Dagobert (10:05)
There's still like this dopamine thing, you know, checking notifications all the time. Once you start getting quite a bit of notification, it can be very addictive. yesterday, for example, I was kind of like, like an idiot for five hours doing nothing else. But if you and if anybody wants to do this in the long term, have to, you know, you have to let go of it. Because if you, for example, somebody like Peter Labels, think he, I mean, I think he cares more than he says.

but he still doesn't really care. And that's really good. That's how you can tweet every day for 10 years and not burn out. But when you do that, you will make some people mad because you basically think less. you're more like, basically it's like talking with a friend. Exactly like, yeah. Yeah, like when I talk with you right now, I could say something and we can take it out of context and I put it in the tweets.

Vlad From SprintDojo (10:53)
You eliminate the filters, of course, exactly. You eliminate the filters and you just put all the noise out there. So, could be.

Dagobert (11:04)
And in this tweet, I don't spend the time to add the nuance, to add the counterpoint. And also tweets are quite small and by design, at least for a long time, so we are used to it. And so you got to face, because I grew to 100,000 followers with almost zero haters. I had nobody shit on me, almost never. And now it happens all the time, because I'm like less calculating. ⁓ But somehow I feel better, because now it's less pressure. So it's an interesting transition.

Vlad From SprintDojo (11:32)
I recently I've seen this I think interview with Andreessen Horowitz and actually he said that the social media is about you know having some sort of conflict all the time because this is like what is actually engaging and it like attracts people so having haters it means you are aligned with what is social media because social media is about like you know like this kind of things I guess if you look at

the biggest players out there, do only this kind of crazy things, know, maybe I agree or disagree with them, but you're always in a kind of conflict, you know, when you read their tweets or something, so.

Dagobert (12:08)
Yeah, what the challenge is, is to stay authentic. Because it's easy sometimes to know what you can say that's gonna get engagement, but it's not really authentic. It's just easy. And I fell a bit into that when I started experimenting like six months ago. And then I stopped and now, but it's very, it's hard to do sometimes. But yeah, anyway, really cool. ⁓ Now I wanna know, I wanna know because you said you are in Spain.

Vlad From SprintDojo (12:31)
Yeah, really cool.

Dagobert (12:37)
Are you Spanish?

Vlad From SprintDojo (12:39)
No, I'm not Spanish. I was born in Romania. I left the country many years ago, but I lived here for, ⁓ I guess, eight years now. I lived in Asia for the past two years. Now I'm back to Spain. Well, in Asia, I've been everywhere. I was kind of, I guess, nomadic approach, like everybody, but I'm just much older.

Dagobert (12:43)
Okay.

where in Asia?

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (13:05)
⁓ Actually, I started this with my son, right? So my older son who is now 21. I was in education for six years, trying to build kind of a platform for learning for my kids. I have two boys and now they're like adults almost. ⁓ But I said, because they have this kind of a different approach in education, which I designed for them. I failed at it, I told you, right? But anyway, that's another story.

I invited my older son to say, instead of going to college, you know, like, 18, we go around the world once you see the world and then you decide what you want to do in life, right? So I will kind of introduce you to, you know, this lifestyle. And this is the reason I started with Asia, with him. And we went to Kuala Lumpur first, then, you know, Bangkok. And at some point he said, like, you know what, it's too boring with you, you know? And he left and he went by himself.

Dagobert (13:34)
Yeah, yeah, we can talk about it.

Wow.

Vlad From SprintDojo (14:02)
And then I continued somehow by myself because I also started to enjoy. I discovered the Asian culture, like so many, so rich. I know you lived as well, right, in Asia at some point. Maybe it's confusing because I think levels or something. he lived in... Yeah. So it was an amazing experience. But ⁓ yeah, now I'm back to...

Dagobert (14:04)
Yeah.

for sure.

No, no, I didn't go to Asia.

yeah, he went to like 60 countries or something. Yeah, yeah.

That's awesome that you share this

Vlad From SprintDojo (14:33)
Thanks.

Dagobert (14:33)
with your sons and everything. That's really cool, wow.

Vlad From SprintDojo (14:36)
Yeah, yeah, it was

for, I mean, now talking as a parent, right, because I've seen him when we started. ⁓ So this really changed him. So I saw it, know, like in a couple of months, like he really became an adult, someone else, you know, like, because I, know, if you go by yourself in a new country, it's, and then when actually, when he went, I think he went to Vietnam.

Dagobert (14:55)
⁓ it's super important to do it by yourself for sure, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (15:03)
And then I've seen him, you know, like really transformed because, you know, like it was maybe a little bit more challenging. Vietnam is not so like everything is like, you know, ⁓ so organized. It was a lovely experience, but it was like, you know, like, hey, now I know what to do, my friend. I know all these things. So it's very inspiring, especially if someone is considering this. I would totally recommend, also parents I would recommend to do this with their kids. It's a pretty cool. ⁓

Dagobert (15:11)
Yeah, yeah.

And how does it make

you feel as a parent? I don't have kids yet, but I want to have them soon. But it seems like, I don't know, it would feel like mission accomplished. Like when your son is like, he's... Yeah, okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (15:41)
It feels like mission accomplished. It feels like mission accomplished.

feels so because I'm ⁓ actually writing now a post-mortem kind of article about the six years I worked on this education startup. So one of the things that I kind of realized during the past six years, know, like people will start thinking less about high degrees, you know, and I think the definition of success will shift for parents and for families.

from high degrees, like you don't need to go to college or something, to high agencies, like how independent is my kid? How well he can be resilient, how well he can adapt in whatever situation and something like that. And I think this definition of success is actually changing right now. And I see more and more parents interested in having and raising kids, high agency kids. It's a trend actually happening for a couple of years. So...

Dagobert (16:11)
Yeah.

Resilient, yeah.

you

Vlad From SprintDojo (16:34)
for you if you wanna be a parent at some point, I would recommend to think about your kids is like, can you help them become high agency learners, high agency individuals. And then you'll see if you are high agency learner individual, actually the only role you can see in the future is probably entrepreneur. So, cause this is like the one that gives you kind of like the highest degree where you co-founder or something, you Cause otherwise you will have less degree of freedom.

Dagobert (16:41)
I'm you know, I'm a hundred percent like that. Yeah.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (17:03)
And I see the world is actually heading that way, know, already, you can see that.

Dagobert (17:04)
I think some people are here.

So your kids, your sons are writing that way, you think they're going to be entrepreneurs?

Vlad From SprintDojo (17:12)
So the older one kind of convinced about this. I think he discovered also computer science. And by the way, he learned about computers, know, like with all the universities out there, have all the courses for free, published. don't need to do like it's unbelievable. So he started to learn coding and all these other things. And it seems like he's enjoying right now. He's enjoying building products.

Dagobert (17:33)
Wait, mean he... So what do you mean about

the fact that it's free? I didn't get that free thing.

Vlad From SprintDojo (17:40)
You,

for example, if you wanna finish Stanford Computer Science, you have all the courses published for free. If you wanna finish, yeah, if you wanna finish, I think Harvard Computer Science CS50, it's free, it's on YouTube. You can go and check it and learn it for free, you know? Yeah, so you don't need to have this pressure, you know, like, and huge amounts of money, you know, like to get...

Dagobert (17:49)
yeah, see, yeah. Yeah, remember, I did that a while ago.

Yeah, yeah, I did a few hours of CS50. Yeah, yeah, okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (18:10)
the knowledge because the knowledge is already there. Indeed, is missing is this component of networking, but ultimately this networking can be obtained in different ways. And this is actually the reason now I'm introducing Spring Dojo. What I did with this, because I started as an experiment with them, is you need to have some of signal that you can send to for yourself, first of all, but also to the outside world that you can ship.

Dagobert (18:11)
especially American universities.

Vlad From SprintDojo (18:40)
do stuff you and I guess you know what I'm trying to do with this project is like to to help to have like some sort of like you know like structure where you are you know like you enter this game and you have to ship like for a hundred weeks you know like you have to deliver stuff for a hundred weeks this is how you get the black belt is gamified so it feels like you're playing a game

Dagobert (18:43)
Yeah.

EIC.

Okay, so

it's gamified productivity. Okay, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (19:05)
is gamified

productivity. And the only thing you have to do, because I did so much research, the only thing you have to do is actually to have this dopamine feeling. You have to log your daily wins, right? So that's it. You log your daily wins. Every day you say like, I did this, I did this. And then...

Dagobert (19:17)
I see. So wait.

Yeah, wait, I really wanna

get into it. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (19:25)
Just, yeah. And

then at the end of the week, you have a Sensei, right, which is an AI that will take all the wins you logged and it will tell you if you shipped or not. And it's actually like an accountability partner is like really like a startup coach, but of course, different pricing, right? Yeah, that's what I'm doing. Yeah, that is what I'm doing now. And ⁓ conclusion is...

Dagobert (19:31)
Okay.

Okay, okay, I really want to get into it, but like let's talk first about the other startup because... yeah, we'll go... Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (19:50)
It's a way to signal that you can deliver stuff, right? So this is the reason I started this, like to signal to others, hey, look, I have a black belt. And now I'm introducing the concept of Black Belt Founder, right? So dude, I'm building stuff. You can rely on me, right? So that's the stuff I'm doing.

Dagobert (19:55)
Yeah, I see.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait,

Vlad From SprintDojo (20:24)
Man, mean, long story, I feel like I was an entrepreneur for my entire life, you know, like since even if I was born during communism in Romania, right? I remember I was having some sort of initiatives, even if it was kind of illegal, right? But I had some kind of initiatives over there, you know. My family is like this, you my parents, my grandparents. ⁓ For example, during communism, I had the video cable network, right?

Dagobert (20:33)
Yeah.

yeah, wow. Okay.

Like what kind? What initiative? For example.

Vlad From SprintDojo (20:52)
So in my blog, I was distributing some sort of like Netflix on cable with videos, which was like completely pirate, illegal, everything, right? It was illegal to bring them to Romania, because I was like distributing movies ⁓ from the outside world, like US or like from outside world, which was completely illegal in Romania at that time. ⁓

Dagobert (21:05)
I see.

US. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (21:19)
So this was my first project. Anyway, I did many, many projects in my life. I think so many that we can take days to talk about. But the previous one, which took me six years, which is now ⁓ concluded, Chagy Pettis said this beautifully, but I failed with it, ⁓ was a platform for learning for kids, right? So I realized that my kids, the school for my kids is not what I want, is not something that will be helpful for them. And I said, okay, I'll design a school for them, right? So, and I started to... ⁓

dive into this and I built this platform. Initially was a platform where we had ⁓ teachers with small classes like pods and imagine teachers from all over the world. And then you just go and join a small class and you can learn whatever subject and you can personalize the experience completely, right? We have this pod and everything. Went amazing during the pandemic because you know, like everything moved online and we reached actually one million in ARR, right? So it was a solid business, know, like a

Dagobert (22:06)
Okay.

Yeah.

Wow,

Vlad From SprintDojo (22:21)
Parents,

no parents directly, directly to parents and kids, right? So parents to kids. And it was possible because it was during the pandemic, right? And the classes were so interactive, not boring like the other thing. exactly, very interactive, right?

Dagobert (22:28)
Yeah, yeah, but like, wait, Yeah.

Not just a zoom. Yeah.

And

so, okay, wait, let me just, how did you get to this number of users? What kind of marketing did you do? How did you distribute it? How did...

Vlad From SprintDojo (22:45)
Man,

was just a demand, right? So it wasn't the right time for it. I realized that homeschooling is like one of the, it was one of the fastest growing trends in education at that time. Pandemic accelerated that, you know, and everybody was searching for, hey, dude, my kid is like so bored about the school. It's like going there and watching the teacher, like a YouTube live, you know? And our classes were so interactive, you know, like teachers were like, you know, really encouraging kids. Just word of mouth, man. It's like just.

Dagobert (22:55)
Yeah.

And how did they find it? ⁓ How did they find it?

Vlad From SprintDojo (23:14)
word of mouth was the, you know, like 70%. We were going to organize the summit. We were going organize the summit and that was actually, yeah, online summit. Yes, online summit. No, no, it was, we had the website, homeschooling global summit or something like that we called it. But my background was not in education, right? And I remember like talking with my colleagues at that time and I said,

Dagobert (23:16)
So you, how did you find the first person?

okay. Like web, live something on... Like on LinkedIn or Facebook, you posted it.

Vlad From SprintDojo (23:43)
let's invite the best people in education to the summit so we can learn the fastest possible way, right? Because it's like, it's also for us a learning process. We don't know, right? So I'm an outsider, but I wanna learn as fast as possible. So how can I learn? Let's organize an event. And we invited 100 people and everybody said yes.

Dagobert (23:49)
⁓ okay.

So 100

teachers from all around the world for this summit that you are experts in education.

Vlad From SprintDojo (24:06)
Yes, but experts in education, not teachers, experts in education, because the biggest one,

the biggest one was actually Sir Ken Robinson, rest in peace, which if you check on Google, on TED, I think he still has the most watched TED talk in history, right? So like 80 million views, school skills, creativity, Sir Ken Robinson, check for it. And he said yes. And he said yes. then, yeah.

Dagobert (24:27)
So you made a summit, invited these people, and I guess they promoted

the summit, so you had visibility. No, but like if somebody like that does it, people know and then okay. And then it brought you, that's how you got the first people on your platform. Is that it? Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (24:34)
I think so. think it went kind of a viral thing and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

Exactly. And then the families,

the families they were paying because the fee was, I think, $3,000 a year, right? So it was not a cheap fee. was, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Dagobert (24:52)
$3,000 a awesome. Yeah, so really serious thing. And then

pandemic. And so it grows because of that.

Vlad From SprintDojo (24:59)
During the pandemic,

no, this was actually during the pandemic, was the perfect timing. Everything was, yeah, perfect timing.

Dagobert (25:02)
yeah, yeah, okay, 100%.

And then I guess after the pandemic, then what happened?

Vlad From SprintDojo (25:08)
And

then we had two factors after the pandemic, right? Because I'm actually writing right now the post-mortem, right? So after the pandemic, two things. One, things went back to normal, right? So no more online. like, people were kind of like trying to find a way back to the one that was before. And the second one was the AI. And these two things actually kind of like destroyed the model I was created because I realized that

there is no way for online teachings to continue like that. So there is no way to have live classes with teachers, you know, so because think about just a couple of things to think about, right? First of all, we have this video right now, but I don't know if you're real or not. Maybe you are an AI. I don't have 100 % proof, right? So which means if you really cannot distinguish, then if I...

Dagobert (25:46)
Why? Why not?

Okay, yeah. Okay, I see what you mean.

Vlad From SprintDojo (26:08)
If you are really an AI, you're definitely much cheaper than the real you. Right? So in this case, the AI will win because it will deliver probably the same experience online. I don't have any other benefit and there is no extra benefit. The only thing is you're there.

Dagobert (26:26)
wow, so you really believe in AI, you think AI will do

as good as a job as your teachers. You 100 % believe that.

Vlad From SprintDojo (26:31)
I think it will be

way better than this. I think learning is actually going in some interesting directions, right? Because one is, as I said, becoming high-engineers learners, right? So if you think about how education is structured, you have some curricular designers. Usually they work with governments. They create a curriculum, right? And then you have the teachers that will take that knowledge and put this in the class, right? So it's more like it's the middleman. Take something created by someone else and present it in a class.

And then some of the teachers, do facilitate some things. And the same teacher is actually testing the same thing, right? So if you split this in different pieces, you will see that the content creator will become maybe an AI, so will have a bigger role. And this content creator can talk directly with the person like you, right? So you don't need a teacher. If you create the curriculum, you don't need a teacher to... Exactly.

Dagobert (27:21)
Yeah, but the teacher is more here to... But the teacher

has more a role of like helping you practice, maybe mentoring.

Vlad From SprintDojo (27:29)
Exactly. So

it will become more like a facilitator, right? It's more than just passing the knowledge from one to another. Now, if you look at like the, because we did so many experiments, man. So it's like online, most probably you will learn online by yourself, you know? And I think actually what school will become, and I think actually the role of the teacher will transition from what it was to something which is more like a facilitator and in person. And I think that

in-person experience for a teacher will be much more valuable. And actually, it will become a premium experience. And actually, I'm thinking, what if we can enable a different business model for teachers, then they act like an investor for the kids. And actually, you you can have some benefits. I think everything will shift. So you'll see some very interesting things.

Dagobert (28:03)
yeah, it makes sense. It makes sense, yeah.

That's interesting what you see about in person because

I ⁓ Peter Thiel, which is like kind of like genius investor and entrepreneur ⁓ for all of his ⁓ craziness. ⁓ He also says some amazing things and he, he noticed years ago that the next thing to invest in is reality because everything is moving online. And so

Like I know, for example, he's huge investor in an alternative version to the Olympic games, to the Olympics. But that's going to be with people who can take drugs. So that's going to be crazy and weird. the point is, that's just like the crazy idea. But like the point is, like a real event where you have to go, like physicality, reality. And what you said, that's exactly that. It's like, okay, that's really smart, I think. Like if people...

Vlad From SprintDojo (29:03)
Yeah.

Dagobert (29:19)
have their teachers, which is AI online. You can learn anything by that. The value of the teacher is in helping you. And there's nothing better than someone physically with you to help you. So that's.

Vlad From SprintDojo (29:28)
Exactly. So if you

think about this, it's more like, know, some things will be better online, some things will be better in person. The question is, right now, are not designed like this. Systems are designed, you know, kind of the same thing online, same thing in person. But you will have things designed in person. I think schools of the future should be connectors.

Dagobert (29:43)
Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (29:55)
You go there to connect with other people, to brainstorm, to collaborate, not necessarily to learn math, right? Because math, maybe you learn better with Khan Academy online, right? But then I go and say, hey, let's do something with math together. And then I go to a place and I practice what I've learned by myself. And then maybe I have a facilitator. And then I brainstorm with other kids where, even adults, I think is very similar. The experience will be very similar.

Dagobert (30:04)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (30:23)
I think we'll see more and more this distinction, you know, like between...

Dagobert (30:23)
That's very... yeah.

That's super smart. Like basically the teachers,

you can imagine maybe there's a location for learning like school, like, but it's not so much focused on learning more like practicing, you know, overcoming roadblocks, you know, and all this shit. And yeah, with students, but with also teachers that would have a different role. Yeah. Wow. Shit. I want to go, I want to be a kid again. Yeah. Well.

Vlad From SprintDojo (30:42)
Exactly and connecting with others connecting with others because that's ultimately the key

Exactly. And yeah,

I think this is what I was thinking about myself. Like, I would like to have this kind of school for myself, you because imagine for me it was even worse because my school was during communism, right? So it was, my God, so terrible. I hated it, right? I guess that's why I have so much desire to fix it, right?

Dagobert (31:00)
Yeah.

Yeah.

So what can you you like give can you

give like one example of why because I'm just like I'm not real. Not like so school communism no communism school one thing that the thing that sucked the most. What was it?

Vlad From SprintDojo (31:17)
Why, why I was doing this?

So, you I guess you can see this in every culture right now, but they were a little bit more than others because they tried to distortion the reality. So you think about like, first of all, like history, you learn history from their perspective, which is weird. You know, I was born in Romania and I had this aha moment when actually...

Dagobert (31:39)
yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (31:51)
So think about this, I was born in Romania and I learned about Turks who invaded Romania like so many times and blah, blah, right? So we have this angle and then I watch another angle, I watch a Turkish movie and I watch their angle. And then I was like, wow, it's a completely different history, right? So what I realized like everybody's trying to put their angle in this, communists they have this kind of disturbing angle and like it's, especially on the things that you can.

Dagobert (31:57)
Okay.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (32:19)
And the reason for me was like, know, I kind of hated it because I started to learn only math and physics and things that they cannot alter, you know, so you cannot change this because this is like super abstract. It's like, you know, like exactly. and, ⁓ but in a way, maybe I learned math and physics because, you know, Russians have a huge influence on Romania. So maybe because of that, I don't know. Right. so you can, you can look at every thing as a, as a good point of view, but, anyway, the school was not a pleasant experience.

Dagobert (32:28)
Yeah. Objective. Yeah.

Interesting.

Vlad From SprintDojo (32:49)
And I think learning can be a pleasant experience, right? So, I mean, you can also learn about like what is difficult and stuff, but not hating it, right? So, yeah, that was kind of the main thing. I think the second one was, you know, have teachers that, teachers are not there to empower you or like are there to diminish you, you know? I'll give an example, like a teacher say like, hey, you don't have a musical ear, you will never be a musician.

Dagobert (32:59)
Yeah, you know.

Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (33:18)
And I grew up with this. thought, okay, he is teacher, he may be know that. And then at 35, I discovered tango and I started dance tango and the teacher is like, good, but you have rhythms, impossible. I know for sure, because the teacher in sixth grade told me that. So was like, and then you have this aha moments, know? So I think, know, teachers should be here to lift up the kids and empower them and not, you know, punish and, you know, they're kind of...

Dagobert (33:31)
Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. Yeah.

Yeah, now I can see

where it comes from. I guess being raised in that context makes it even more meaningful to you to help with education and make it empowering. Okay, so you did that startup. Eventually it didn't work out. And so now what are you doing? And how did you?

Vlad From SprintDojo (33:54)
Yeah.

Now,

I think we leave this moment when is, I mean, I'm a founder for 30 years in tech, right? So I was building tech products when you have the sons. The first tech product I built was a mobile, email mobile platform on Nokia. Do you remember the Nokia bananas? Like, know, like one WAP. Right? You don't even know about it. You know about WAP. So I built practically the first, so with my team, right?

Dagobert (34:14)
What was the first tech product 30 years ago?

I remember WAP, yeah, I know WAP. Pre-web, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (34:33)
Yeah, pre-web, this was the first mobile platform in the world. think it was, we built this in the same time with Nokia and Microsoft, right? So this was one of the things I realized like being in Romania, for example, I realized that you're in the wrong place. You'll never be significant if you stay here. So this is the reason I decided to, you know, leave and, know, kind of like you have a plant if it's in the wrong soil.

Dagobert (35:00)
Yes.

Vlad From SprintDojo (35:01)
It's not growing even if you are a normal plant, know, but if you're the right soil is a different thing. I think Bucharest right now or Romania, it's a different game than it was 30 years ago. I think Romania right now is actually a pretty good hub for startups. Yeah, it's pretty good for startups on the other side, right? But my time was not like that. So I decided to leave and yeah, I'm building products, but you know how hard it is, you know, like to have...

Dagobert (35:07)
Yeah, yeah.

Quite a growing... Yeah, seem like... Yeah, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (35:29)
10 people working on a product and now Spring Dojo, build this by myself, just me, know, back and front and take a base, ⁓ copy everything, you know, it's like that, that is unreal, you know, like it's unreal.

Dagobert (35:35)
Wow, okay. and I, did you?

And did you have this idea after or did you have it before like after this cool project, this six year startup?

Vlad From SprintDojo (35:49)
We, yeah, so actually, to be honest, it was like, you know, it felt like a gimmick. said, let's build this for me and my sons. We're like, hey, let's build this like to stay more organized, you know, like I'm not have to do least and the boring stuff, you know? And yeah, and we said, okay, and I, one of my, me and my sons, my kids, my kids, right? So me and my sons. No, no, no, I was like trying to, you know, like.

Dagobert (36:04)
It was for fun kind of.

Who's we? You say, say, you say we, who's we? And your sons helped you build it.

brainstorming.

Vlad From SprintDojo (36:17)
Yes, kind of use it together. We were kind of the first users for it, right? And then I started to read a lot of like, this was during the Kubrio thing, a lot of research papers about learning and habits and stuff. And I realized that one of the most powerful habits you can create is this one, logging your daily wins. It's because it gives you dopamine, it gives you dopamine, you like you have some...

Dagobert (36:22)
Okay.

⁓ yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (36:45)
You have lots of benefits and there are like so many research papers on this. And I started this, said, this is pretty fun. You just tell someone what you've done. That's it. I've done this, you know? And this is how we started. Pretty simple, because I did this with WhatsApp. You send WhatsApp messages. And then I started to say, what if we put the North Stars? Like, where do you want to go? I want to have a company with one million users or something, right?

So this is your North Star and then this is what you do every day. And now what I did, I put this AI stuff, which is every week, like hiring a coach kind of, every week we review your stuff and say if you are aligned with your North Star, where you just drifted, right? I can show you, yeah, so a quick, ⁓ this is, yeah, can you see my screen?

Dagobert (37:14)
Yeah.

Can you show? Can you show it? Because that sounds cool.

Nope, now I can.

Vlad From SprintDojo (37:44)
Anyway, so I try to gamify kind of everything you have the white belt, ⁓ you know, I introduced because I've been to Tokyo and I've seen this, know, like discipline with, you know, black belts, white belts. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And then I read this beautiful article from Wait But Why I forgot his name. anyway, Wait But Why is like living the life in weeks. So as you see here, everything is in weeks is not in month.

Dagobert (37:54)
Yeah I see, like levels in Judo, Karate...

Vlad From SprintDojo (38:13)
which is much more adapted to our lifestyle right now, right? So this is week 28 of this year, you you have this week's left and then you can see if you ship or not, right? So the only thing you have to do is like, you know, go here for daily wins and say, I recorded a demo with the AguaBot Sprint Dojo for the launch day, right?

Anyway, you just log everything here and then you create this kind of log with everything you have accomplished. And then Sensei will review every week and Sunday will send you, will write this beautifully. This is not, I joined with a different account right now, but here you will be able to see what you've done in a week. So this will practically make this beautiful.

Dagobert (38:53)
which is.

Do you have an example of that?

Just curious if you have somewhere an example. Maybe even just a screenshot on your homepage or something.

Vlad From SprintDojo (39:09)
Let me see if I have...

Yeah, I can provide. I don't know if I have it right now. Wait a second, wait a second. Let's see.

Dagobert (39:18)
Okay, now it's mostly for me

to see because there will be a demo on the website so people can see but I'm just for myself curious.

Vlad From SprintDojo (39:25)
⁓

Let's wait a second. Where is this? Yeah, I think I'm not prepared for this right now. Let's see here. Because I'm logged in, but I don't remember where is the one I'm logged in. So anyway, I can...

Dagobert (39:36)
No, it's okay.

But

you can take two minutes to find it, it's fine.

Vlad From SprintDojo (39:51)
⁓ Yes.

Dagobert (39:52)
No worries.

Vlad From SprintDojo (40:00)
So let's work out with this, right? So you can see, cause I'm on this. I enter dojo.

Dagobert (40:07)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (40:10)
But as you know, they're onboarding again.

and login with my other account, right? So for example, this is my dashboard right now. Look at this, like how I shipped for 13 weeks, right? You see that, aha. Oh, wait a second, I need to share this again. Wait a second.

Dagobert (40:29)
Wait, wait, still see the sign in page right now.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (40:37)
Gonna see you now.

This is my real account, right? Yeah, so you can see here I have Red Belt, right? So I already shipped for 13 weeks. ⁓ I have 126. So instead of like tweeting, I'm just logging stuff for my sensei, right? Here, for example, say like, you know, like what do want to do? I want to create like one million. Our work is optional. So I want to do only stuff from pleasure, right? This is sort let's say, my north star, right? You can change these things at any time, right?

Dagobert (40:42)
Yes, ⁓ cool, yeah, now there's lots of shit. Okay, cool.

Okay, yeah.

Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (41:11)
And the only thing you have to do is like really to log your wins here. That's it. And you can do this also via WhatsApp. You connect with.

Dagobert (41:18)
Okay, so initialize

Google Analytics, ship my new personal blog, fix the email onboarding flow. Okay, just to give people an idea. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (41:23)
Whatever, can even

say I went to gym. Anything, you can say anything. And then at the end, the Sensei will review what you've done and look at this. And then they will say, hey, you ship this week. You keep your promises, right? And this is a TLDR. This is what you kind of like. I can look now and say, okay, this is what I did last week. I have my wins here, like very clear, like, hey, this is what I done.

Dagobert (41:30)
You know, okay.

Yeah, that's interesting. So can you, yeah, can you read

it kind of out loud so it's easier for people.

Vlad From SprintDojo (41:53)
So let's

increase it. You can see now? Can you see? Yeah, so for example, shipped MVP belt ceremony. So for example, I changed to have a belt ceremony. So every time you upgrade, we send you a nice, beautiful message. I paid for lunch today. Look, this is for you. Yeah, so this is, yeah.

Dagobert (41:57)
Yeah, yeah. And can you read it? Yeah, I can see 22 updates, hidden list. Yeah.

Awesome, yeah, I should log in in my account

too and do this. Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (42:17)
Yeah, yeah, you

too. This is something. I published three articles. I created the API for whatever. And then, you see, I had 22 updates this week. And it gives me a TLDR, like this is what I've done this week.

Dagobert (42:31)
Yeah, I like this. I like this. Like it says at some point,

Vlad is building the machine and dreaming bigger. A high leverage week with I mean, high leverage sounds a bit AI bullshit, but whatever. High leverage week with both systems and strategy moving forward. That's cool. Cause like, I might try it. Cause it's like, I need somebody to tell me I've done good work sometimes and I don't have that. So, you know.

Vlad From SprintDojo (42:36)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, correct.

Exactly.

Exactly. It's exactly

like that. It's exactly like that. Plus also the dopamine feeling every time you lock the wing, you'll have it. But let me show you something else. And then the Sensei here will give you something to improve for next week. So how can you be 10 % better next week? Right? And then, yeah. Yeah.

Dagobert (43:08)
Yeah. So it says, message from Sensei. I'm just reading it because there's also audio version.

from Sensei. Vlad, this week was elite. Systems shipped, SEO ramped, clear mapped and discipline locked in. Most importantly, you decided to move into income territory. That shift changes everything. Keep the edge. Black belt focus from here. Congrats. This is awesome. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (43:34)
This is awesome, right? And then it's like you imagine you have

Dagobert (43:35)
Now it should be

a video of some actual sensei telling you this with an Asian accent.

Vlad From SprintDojo (43:42)
You can go crazy with us, correct. You can go crazy, right? So, but anyway, this is it. And then imagine actually what I'm thinking to do at some point is even you can talk with your timeline. What was my best productive week? Week 12 in May. What I've done differently that week, you know? So you can have insights about yourself, which are like really mind blowing. And this is what I wanna show you, because I tried after three months, right?

And it gave me, it's not here yet, because it's not implemented yet, but it gave me like a very detailed, you know, like from all my logs, what I'm avoiding, what I should focus on.

Dagobert (44:21)
I was gonna say, I was gonna say the next

step is like, cause like for example, I use an app called Lama Life, which is just like Pomodoro of like to-do list and for the day, it's really cool app from IndieMaker. I mean, she's not really IndieMaker anymore, but she's awesome. Marie from Australia. ⁓ like, I know I'm avoiding some shit.

Vlad From SprintDojo (44:29)
Yeah, I know, yeah.

Dagobert (44:46)
and I would like this to be somehow, or you can build a to-do list on your app or whatever, like this somehow to be connected so it knows what I'm avoiding. And also like when I had a good week, why? What did you focus on this week that was a...

Vlad From SprintDojo (45:00)
Exactly. You'll have it

here. You'll have it here. That's the point. And actually, because it's really like in martial art, the more you level up, the more difficult it will become. So for example, if you're like a red belt, we ask you to be intentional about the week. Hey, you plan the week. You say, what do you want to do this week? So it's getting kind of like in a game a little bit more complicated, but it will train you to become kind of like a black belt founder. So that's someone that you can really deliver stuff.

Dagobert (45:05)
Okay.

Mmm. Wow.

Vlad From SprintDojo (45:29)
And look at this, you can set your Northstar here, right? So as I said, you can have, know, like what you want to achieve. And I also introduced this AI settings, right? So for example, you can say, talk with me like Paul Graham, you know, or talk with me like whatever person you want, you know, like Navajo. And they will give you insights kind of exactly. I mean, it's up to you, right? You really change, know, like do this like, Dougal, right? Talk like Dougal, like be annoying.

Dagobert (45:48)
That would be annoying, but I hear you. Okay, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah.

my god, yeah, that must be very annoying. That's even worse.

Vlad From SprintDojo (45:57)
Yeah, whatever. So you can do this. You can do this and

then it's like, hey, I want to achieve progress every week, you know, 10 % or I want to improve every week 10%. And ⁓ then probably I will actually help you achieve all these things. So the idea here is like, that's exactly the point. And naturally, I want to keep it like very simple like this.

Dagobert (46:14)
I would try and I would put Steve Jobs there. I would put Steve Jobs, try to tell me. That would be perfect.

Vlad From SprintDojo (46:25)
I don't want to introduce too many other features because I love the simplicity of it. So only thing you have to do is really to log your daily wins. And you can do this also, as I said via WhatsApp, so you can record everything via WhatsApp. You need to think a little bit like, accomplished this, but we can add Discord, Telegram, or other tools as well.

Dagobert (46:43)
I feel like there's

a video version and a mobile app video version dying to happen. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome.

Vlad From SprintDojo (46:49)
Could be, right? So all these things can happen, right? I mean, right now it's still

very early. It's like we have like a couple of users using it. ⁓ Yeah, but it's an interesting thing. And it started more like as a gimmick, but like not quickly. This was like I said, dude, I really want to finish right now. I really want to have that black belt, even if I'm building this product just for me, right? So this is where I am right now, right? Make sense?

Dagobert (47:11)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's awesome,

Yeah, you can stop sharing, yeah, it's... And what's the next thing you're building now? I mean, in the same product, like what's the six months thing, what's happening in six months with this product?

Vlad From SprintDojo (47:19)
Yeah.

I think I would like to make it even more easier to log things, but I also want to have some sort of reflection. And I would do more reflection time. For example, weekly, right now the Sensei is sending a Sunday message, say, hey, this is what you accomplished. Think a little bit about what you next week, the insights you've seen. But I want to do monthly, I want to do quarterly reviews, like, like, hey, this is what you've done the past 12 weeks. Look at this. And if you think about

For example, for me, compared with your Northstar, you said Northstar, want to generate revenue, but you're not doing anything about it. So are you avoiding that? So it gives you some powerful insights. So yeah, it's more like a coach. I hired a coach in my life. So you pay a coach maybe $1,000 or even more. ⁓ But this can be actually a pretty good, like can level up pretty

Dagobert (48:15)
facilitation. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (48:29)
can practically eliminate the average coach. And actually you have a pretty good insight just from this. I also see it with the coach. Maybe this is something, a feature that I'm thinking to, you can invite the coach to give access to this platform so the coach can see this stuff, right? So then he can bring some more perspective, some different angles. This is where.

Dagobert (48:45)
Yeah.

So now you can sell

this to coaches. You can sell a package to coaches. Maybe.

Vlad From SprintDojo (48:54)
I don't

know, think maybe a coach, maybe you can hire a coach via the platform. I don't know, right? So it can be different angles, I guess right now.

Dagobert (49:01)
And how do

you plan on marketing it? How do you plan on growing it? Because it's quite hard. B2C like this is quite hard usually.

Vlad From SprintDojo (49:09)
I think so. think ⁓ one can be SEO. So I think discoverability via Google, because there are some searches on these keywords, like how to be productive, how to stop procrastinating. So we started already to create content around these subjects. this can be one. I think that's actually right now at least the main channel that we are thinking of. ⁓

Dagobert (49:26)
yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (49:38)
And maybe word of mouth, because if people would be happy and excited about it, ⁓ maybe you can invite some others where you share some things. Maybe, for example, we can have some sort of building public. So that weekly thing, like what they've done this week, it's so easy. can share it. Exactly. You can share it and make it beautiful or something. ⁓ I like this kind of product growth things.

Dagobert (49:57)
some recap and you post it. Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (50:07)
I really appreciate the opportunity to be here with you because I feel like even if you're also like very early, right? I don't expect much, but I think that will be beautiful to have some sort of like platforms like this, you know, like where you can create something valuable and then, you know, you just spread the word. Maybe, maybe actually maybe you should partner with people that will launch maybe with a revenue sharing or something. I don't know. Right. So.

Dagobert (50:07)
Yeah, organic.

Yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (50:35)
So to help you as well, know, like kind of launch maybe influencers. don't know. So I have some different ideas, but I also have some other projects in mind. Right now it's so easy to build other things. So I don't know.

Dagobert (50:35)
Yeah, yeah.

How did you build it? Did you code it by hand or are you using some like v0 or some shit like that?

Vlad From SprintDojo (50:52)
I'm using a platform from my son actually. So he came up with this idea of like, it's a framework T3. I'm not sure if you're familiar with it. Yeah. So this guy put together like bunch of, know, like a framework. It's one guy, Theo or something. He's a YouTuber, Theo or something. he put, yeah. So he put together practically

Dagobert (51:02)
Okay.

C3 was the name of the... wasn't that the name of the keyboard on Nokia?

yeah, okay, I see.

Vlad From SprintDojo (51:22)
TypeScript with Postgres, with Drizzle, with, you know, like, so you have all this. Yeah, it's, put together like a stack, you know, and it's, it's kind of like beautifully integrated together. So we are using the same, me and my son, so we can talk a lot about, I discovered that idea, I'm doing that. Yeah, exactly. So he is now teaching me kind of. And I'm using also cursor with Claude, Claude, right?

Dagobert (51:25)
Okay, it's a stack basically.

⁓ that's good. That's smart. Yeah, that's good. Yeah.

Yeah, me too,

Vlad From SprintDojo (51:50)
these two things right now. ⁓

Dagobert (51:52)
I haven't

tried it. What do you think of Cloud Code? I haven't tried it yet.

Vlad From SprintDojo (51:57)
Man, I actually tried it yesterday because I was working on my blog ⁓ and I said, let's build a blog with Cloud Cloud, nothing else. And man, did a good job. It's like, wow, wow. First of all, I was using it in cursor, right? So not outside. But the idea here is like, I tried all of them. I tried v0, I think it's more like replete in a way because...

Dagobert (52:06)
Yeah.

Yeah, more impressive than cursor.

yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (52:25)
Replicate is a little bit more agentic. like you can, you know, like we'll make a plan, we'll make a plan, we'll start executing it, you know, and then you just say, deploy this on GitHub and then boom, we'll do it. It's crazy, right? So, so it's a little bit more agentic. That's how I think about it. And it's more like in terminal. So if you're a geek, you'll enjoy this kind of feeling because you just type in, yeah.

Dagobert (52:27)
Yeah, less control, less... Yeah, yeah.

Okay.

I think half of the appeal is that think a

lot of developers, they were like shitting on AI because they are not used to it and they're they're not like the big engineers. so Claude was smart enough to think, wait, we're going to position it for these guys. So you make it in the terminal, you make it super geeky and nerdy. And then they're like, this is amazing. But you know, yeah, that's cool. Okay.

Vlad From SprintDojo (52:57)
Yeah.

Exactly. Yeah, super. Yeah. If you like this, you'll enjoy it. Yeah, you'll enjoy it. You'll enjoy it. Yeah.

But it's doing the job, man. So like so probably yesterday I installed a blog. So the blog with articles, with database on, you know, like on Superbase, Postgres, everything without writing any line of code. just, you know, not even get push. It's like, know, push this now to GitHub.

Dagobert (53:15)
Yeah, I'm good. I need to try,

Vlad From SprintDojo (53:33)
That's it. It's like you don't use the same language. It's ugh, yeah. And it's doing, know, yeah, it's pretty cool. It's, yeah, same thing here. Like, dago bear, right? This is how you pronounce it. Yeah, dago bear. Yeah, was pretty fun, man. I guess.

Dagobert (53:33)
Yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, you really remove lots of steps. I see, see. Okay. Well, that's awesome, Yeah, I'm gonna try. So, well, you know, I was super happy to meet you. Thank you so much. Yeah, thanks so much. Dago Bear, yes, Dago, Dago Bear, yeah. So, yeah, so

good luck for your launch day, you know? And so...

Vlad From SprintDojo (54:01)
Yeah,

thank you. When is this actually? It like this will be... It's not today, right?

Dagobert (54:08)
It's not today, no. For you it's gonna be in a couple weeks. So yeah.

Vlad From SprintDojo (54:09)
No, okay. Okay, okay.

Because I also have to prepare a video demo right for it. So you said something, but I have more time for it.

Dagobert (54:16)
Yeah, a demo

video for it, like two minutes maximum, where you like kind of like loom style, where you like, where we see you ⁓ presenting the product, or you can do more fancy if you want. But yeah, that's it. So.

Vlad From SprintDojo (54:20)
Yeah.

I'm using a

screen. Yeah, so I can do this like one or two minutes quick and yeah, we'll see. I actually, I would like to see it in the hands of more people if you want to try it. It's actually free, right? So like you don't need anything, you just go and, but I'm curious if you like it and ⁓ because the way it works is like there is a paid version, but only if you really like it. So, so you have ⁓

Dagobert (54:46)
I see. So there's no paid version?

Vlad From SprintDojo (54:57)
after yellow belt, right, you'll have to pay. But the yellow belt means you already have two weeks shipped, right? So it means you tried it, you have enough time to try, you see two weeks feedback, you see if you like the experience, if this habit can stick to it. Until that moment, no cards, nothing, you know, it's just, it just go and use it. And then it will be, yeah, and then it'll be like 20 bucks a month or something. So like, it's not trying to.

Dagobert (55:04)
Okay.

I see a

Okay cool. Well we need to find a way to...

Vlad From SprintDojo (55:25)
It's mainly because we use a lot of AI behind the scenes. And I want to use better models and stuff like that. So for example, for this is for the three months, I want to use the old three, which gave the best insights from three months log. So yeah. Yeah.

Dagobert (55:29)
AI, yeah 100%.

Yeah, yeah I see. No no yeah, makes sense. Yeah, O3 is going to be expensive.

Okay, cool man. Well thanks for sharing everything and good luck with your launch day. Okay, bye.

Vlad From SprintDojo (55:54)
Yeah, same. Thank you. Yeah, thank you so much,

Bye.