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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Bunch of stories. We're gonna go through mostly the stories that have just broken over the last twenty four hours. The first is this insane video from Blue Origin. Very, very disappointing to see. Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket just blew up at LC landing LC 36 while attempting to static fire ahead of NG four.
Speaker 1:We can watch this video because it is absolutely insane.
Speaker 2:Looks like a nuclear bomb went
Speaker 1:off. It looks like a like like a from Oppenheimer. It looks like Christopher Nolan movie. This is absolutely remarkable. Everyday astronaut says, oh my god, that was a very big one.
Speaker 1:I hate to see setbacks in progress. This is not good. That has to be extremely, extremely frustrating. Brittany Graub broke down a little bit of the back and forth on this particular rocket initiative. Jeff Bezos' rocket company suffered a catastrophic failure last night when his New Glenn rocket, a reusable heavy lift orbital spacecraft, designed to compete with SpaceX's Falcon Heavy.
Speaker 1:And we were talking about this in the backdrop of the, of the SpaceX IPO, and I heard Brad Gerstner talking about this on CNBC. I think someone was playing a Gerstner interview in the in the studio today. And he was saying, the launch business is fantastic, but it's not enough without Starlink, which is a fantastic business. But that's not enough without the AI business, which is a fantastic business and growing. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so to just have a launch business and then have a setback like this, it has got to be extremely frustrating, if you're competing with a company that's going to raise $80,000,000,000 I don't know. I forget how much SpaceX is actually gonna raise, but they're gonna raise a lot of money. They're gonna have a lot of capital to deploy in their march towards ever more frequent and and ever more frequent Yeah.
Speaker 2:Especially painful. You know, Blue Origin started before SpaceX. Yeah. We talked about this before.
Speaker 1:That's been hard.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, unclear unclear how much Yeah. This will set them back. But certainly disappointing.
Speaker 1:So the good news is that no one was hurt, which is incredible because you see the rocket. It looks like it's surrounded by a city. It looks like there's buildings around. And to see that much destruction with no one injured at all is a miracle, and I'm so happy to hear that. Jeff Bezos tweeted, very rough day.
Speaker 1:We'll rebuild, whatever needs rebuilding and get back to flying. It's worth it. And Elon chimed in with some words of encouragement. Space is hard. A lot of folks were sending their encouragement because I think even if you're, you know, a SpaceX Maxi, it's it's it is very exciting for America to have multiple heavy launch capability providers in the market.
Speaker 1:It's good. It was very exciting when New Glenn got to orbit, came back. That was the second time that that sort of rocket technology had been demoed, and it was demoed in America, sort of even our second best rocket provider is better than everyone else around the globe. What else do you have, Tyler?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just some added context. This was the was the fourth test. Nice one. Or this was prepping for the fourth test.
Speaker 2:Yeah. In the third test, if you remember, this is when the the rocket kind of correctly went up but then deployed an AST s
Speaker 1:satellite in the wrong orbit. Wait. But that was New Glenn?
Speaker 2:That was yeah. That was the
Speaker 1:third test. That was pretty recent. So they're on a pretty good cadence here. Yeah. But this is still a huge setback.
Speaker 2:And so he is down 16% today.
Speaker 1:Because of this, most likely. Interesting. Interesting. So Elon Musk lent his support tweeting, most unfortunate rockets are hard. That's an understatement.
Speaker 1:A lot of people were saying like, if you think, software engineering is hard, you could have been a rocket scientist. It is after all rocket science. The explosion caused extreme structural damage to its only functional launch pad while Blue Origin has successfully reached space a number of times with other vehicles. New Glenn has has has had just one successful flight out of three attempted tries. From 2006 to 2008, Elon Musk had three consecutive failures with Falcon one before successfully launching it.
Speaker 1:And so failure is, you know, is a natural state of these pursuits, but never fun to watch it happen. There were some people that were syncing up the different angles. There were some different angles on this that were absolutely crazy to see. Yeah.
Speaker 2:This one from truthful.
Speaker 1:Truthful. This is the one that you wanna see. This literally looks like a nuke went off. So scary. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Vertical footage. Absolutely crazy. Amazing footage from a local.
Speaker 2:I wonder what the reaction is from the people.
Speaker 1:Wow. That's really far away.
Speaker 2:It's far away, but it's also a pretty big mushroom cloud. Yeah. I imagine maybe they walk to their cars.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Saw some people say saying like, I don't wanna hear about my carbon footprint ever again because this seems like an immensely disastrous explosion.
Speaker 2:Other people were saying Bezos did Roman's rocket launch from Succession IRL. If you remember this scene, we can pull it up. Yeah. You haven't seen Succession.
Speaker 1:I've seen the Her season. Haven't seen the full thing.
Speaker 2:But he has a pet project.
Speaker 1:He does. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:And it
Speaker 1:blows up. It blows up. That's certainly dramatic. I feel like that makes for good good TV.
Speaker 2:Yeah. We were Right before the show started, were talking about nominative determinism of Blue origin. John said it blew up. But Or, you know, blue as in sort of sad
Speaker 1:Feeling blue.
Speaker 2:Sad Yeah. Sad start. But They will reboot. They will be back.
Speaker 1:So OSINT Defender says daylight reveals the extent of damage caused to Launch Complex 36 in the surrounding area of Cape Canaveral's Space Force Station in Florida following last night's massive explosion at Blue Origin, New Glenn during a static fire test. And there was a static fire test that went poorly at Starbase, and they had a similar explosion. And people were regarding that as like a major setback. And maybe it was, but at the same time, we saw a very successful launch of Starship just a week or two ago. Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so
Speaker 2:This looks way better than I would have thought.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I agree. It looked like total destruction. Was expecting a crater in the ground.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So So You can see here clearly
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:A lot of damage
Speaker 1:Not good.
Speaker 2:Right around the pad, but there's plenty of other infrastructure
Speaker 1:That that seems to be still standing. And so you you should, in theory, be able to rebuild. But, I mean, with anything rocket related, you have to imagine that every nut and bolt on that on that tower, even though it is standing, needs to be reinspected, reexamined, make sure that it's not corroded. There's got to be so much work for the team. They have my full faith that they will get it done.
Speaker 1:Well, shifting over to the token maxing debate. People are spending more and more on tokens. There's been a complete fast takeoff in enterprise AI adoption, but people are raising questions about what is the ROI on these. There's a whole bunch of companies that are grappling with this. Some good news and a lot of questions for where this goes.
Speaker 1:Next, we'll take you through it. So the big news is that Anthropic recently passed 47,000,000,000 in ARR and raised a massive series h 65,000,000,000 at 965,000,000,000 post money valuation. They're almost at $9.09 $9.09 $9.09 9. Last November, Cloud Code was going viral among a lot of early adopters for and small vibe coding apps were launching daily, but q two twenty twenty six was clearly a massive moment for Fortune 500 wide scale rollouts. And so this has become a double edged sword for some organizations.
Speaker 1:Token maxing dashboards have been reportedly led to potentially ROI negative AI use in at name brand companies like Meta. There was the the the the talk of a token maxing dashboard, people leaving things running overnight that weren't necessarily productive just because they wanna rank up on the dashboard. That's obviously very expensive. Uber went back and forth on, well, we blew through our budget. But a lot of people were saying, well, if they set a budget in 2025 for their token spend in 2026, like, the capabilities have gotten so much better.
Speaker 1:The models have gotten so much more expensive.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Theoretically, you should find more budget.
Speaker 1:Their budget might have been very small. But they did say they blew through it. And then the chief operating officer said I I think it was the chief operating officer said something like, oh, we're we're we're struggling to understand the financial impact and, like, the ROI on this stuff. But his actual his actual comments as you unpack them were much more reasonable and he wasn't completely, you know, dooming on the ROI of the spend. He was just saying that like the next the next iteration will be understanding the impact to the bottom line of this spending.
Speaker 1:And then AWS was also reported and Axios is having spent something like $05,000,000,000 in a single month. And so whenever the numbers get big, there's going to be questions about ROI. The bull case is that the cost per task completed by AI will decrease very quickly. So even if you're spending $05,000,000,000 per month on AI or tokens today, the same output will be available next year maybe for a tenth of the cost, maybe next year it's half the cost. Like even even if there's no optimizations to the systems, the hardware depreciates and then more power comes online.
Speaker 1:Like the market solves these things pretty quickly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's naturally deflationary.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah. And I think we've seen that where capabilities have gone open source, they've gone cheaper, they've been distilled, you get 90% of the value. Maybe you don't get the exact same
Speaker 2:flavor Yeah, somewhere there was an example of people are using LLMs to get the weather report.
Speaker 1:That was a funny one.
Speaker 2:Can be I'll admit, I've done that before. Yeah. It can be very convenient.
Speaker 1:Typically, you'd go to like a free chat app for that, though not
Speaker 2:Well, could
Speaker 1:go to the coding weather app. Model. Yeah, here you go.
Speaker 2:But sometimes it's nice to just ask chat.
Speaker 1:I've been running into this a lot with people. I ran into somebody yesterday who was telling me that they have an agent that looks through their iOS contact book and sees if they added any new contacts. And I remember being at a conference and you're changing you're exchanging numbers with people and it's hard to tell if you add someone to your contacts, like who'd you add? Like, because you can't Yeah. It's a very weird Apple feature that they don't have sort your contacts by recently added.
Speaker 1:That's just like a UI feature that Apple should add. They haven't. But there's like a $2 app that does that, basically. It just looks at your contacts. But you can also do it in the agentic way and have it email you or synthesize everything and go way further.
Speaker 1:And there's a, you know, a debate about what's the value there and and people are making that those trade offs in their personal life. They're also making it in the enterprise. But, of course, the stakes are a lot higher in the enterprise because everything has five extra zeros behind it, if not nine extra zeros behind it. And so there's debate about over whether AI tooling is being pointed at the most high leverage problems in these organizations. Like, are you just picking up things that are deep in the backlog and they were deprioritized?
Speaker 1:Probably for a good reason because they were never really gonna move the needle. But now you can just say, hey, go churn on the all these backlog items. That's maybe not ROI positive at current token prices, might be in the future.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But maybe the cutting room floor should remain the floor and not be not everything should be shipped necessarily. Outside of stories like workers checking the weather with AI agents or running endless loops trying random different make work projects, There's definitely a worry that truly needle moving features aren't being pulled forward like people would expect.
Speaker 2:Trey says, just vibe code your own weather app each time you want to know the weather.
Speaker 1:Yes. Yes. I think you have a post about that in the timeline.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Who is
Speaker 1:Fear not the man who has vibe coded 50 apps. I fear the man who has vibe coded the same app 50 times. That was a good post. And so, you you probably don't want a literal token maxing dashboard. I think everyone has has has tested with it.
Speaker 1:Metas tried it. Anthropic has it. Had it. I think they I think they took it down or something. But Meta, same thing.
Speaker 1:It's easy to get obsessed. And I and the token maxing dashboards pop up not just in the literal like who is on the leaderboard, but also if you give someone a budget, they can kind of see it as like, Okay, well, my boss gave me a $1,000 token budget or a $10,000 token budget or a $100,000 token budget, if I am not using it, if I'm not putting it to use, then I don't look like I'm deploying the capital that I was given. Like, if you give a marketer
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:A, you know, a brand budget of a million dollars and they come back to you and they say, like, sorry, boss, like, I only spent a $100,000. You'd be like, well, like, who'd you talk to? Like, why didn't you find good use of that funding? Like, it it Yeah. It's very rare.
Speaker 1:At the same time, it can be, you you don't want those employees deploying that budget into bad places and just wasting it because they have the budget. So these are these are common problems across all aspects of the enterprise. And so I think the future looks a little bit like Jevan's paradox. Of course, when something becomes more efficient to use, people often end up using more of it, not less. And then also Goodhart's Law.
Speaker 1:When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. And so we live in a world defined by Jevan's Paradox and Goodhart's Goodhart's Law. And you put those together
Speaker 2:The combination of those, many people will call that Coogan's Law.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Coogan's Paradox.
Speaker 2:Coogan's Paradox.
Speaker 1:Both Jevons Paradox and Goodhart's Law are true. Madison Mills
Speaker 2:Yeah. Over at Axios had some good reporting on it. I was we were we were on a flight Mhmm. When I found out when I saw that that reporting that someone had spent half $1,000,000,000 Yeah. Month kind of accidentally and and And we heard just imagining the conversation of the the first person to kind of like find the number and
Speaker 1:then Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know, hey, maybe maybe we should talk to the CTO about this. Okay. Yeah. Probably time to bring the CFO in. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Hey hey, boss. We accidentally spent half $1,000,000,000 in the last thirty days. It's a lot
Speaker 1:of Alright.
Speaker 2:What did we what did we make?
Speaker 1:Yeah. What did we do? What did we do?
Speaker 2:How did we spend?
Speaker 1:What what did we get done? It's tough. What did we
Speaker 2:get done
Speaker 1:this of we we
Speaker 2:And there was there was there was a lot of like, there was some conspiratorial posts people saying, oh, how
Speaker 1:Certain kind of deal.
Speaker 2:Yeah. How how convenient for Amazon who obviously owns a lot of, you know, the big labs
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:To spend all this money Yeah. On Anthropic right when they're raising a round and they got this revenue multiple blah blah blah. I that's not really how it works. Like, it wasn't like this round with the like, this round wasn't like they were just, okay, we're gonna give you x x revenue.
Speaker 1:And there were plenty of hyperscalers that don't have active positions that were doing the same thing. Yeah. Like, was a broader trend. But, yeah, it it is it is a crazy skyrocketing cost. But, I mean, we see this I
Speaker 2:think it's healthy how quickly things corrected. Mhmm. It's not like this was I mean, and of course, some companies won't correct, but it is a healthy dynamic that companies were, hey, we got a little bit ahead of our skis for Yeah. A couple months.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Now, let's be a little bit more.
Speaker 1:Stack rank the tokens, cut all the unnecessary token spend, keep all the good token spend. I mean, we see this all the time with there'll be some vibe coded project out there that's like incredibly high token cost with very little value. And then on the flip side, you'll have someone that actually built something really cool with just like their default $200 a month subscription. And they didn't actually have to token max to get the product to where they wanted it to be because they knew what they were building. They used the tool like a scalpel, not a hammer.
Speaker 1:And they got a good outcome. So The Wall Street Journal has some more coverage of this. Corporate America is starting to ration AI as costs skyrocket. Executives are scrambling to track returns on AI investments as the bill for massive computing needs come due. We talked to Spencer Raskoff from Match Group about this.
Speaker 1:He was sort of sharing a very reasonable token spend, I think, in the single digit millions. But he was still saying that, like, one of the tasks that him and his team will be embarking upon over the next year will be understanding the ROI on that investment because you should be tracking it just like digital marketing dollars that go out the door. What was your ROI? How did it move the needle? Use of artificial intelligence by big companies is is exploding and the soaring costs has some of them pumping the brakes in a way that could complicate AI's triumphal march across the economy.
Speaker 1:Are they pouring cold water on it? We'll see. Executives across the industry this year have urged employees to integrate AI tools. Wired has a whole AI for business deep dive that you can go take their survey into their work. Spending freely to encourage experimentation and seeking to send a message to Wall Street that their companies won't be left up behind in a coming wave of disruption.
Speaker 1:All that enthusiasm has resulted in skyrocketing costs for so called tokens, the basic unit measurement for AI computing. Now corporate leaders are scrambling to bring down expenses by finding ways to ration AI. Top technical executives for Uber, Meta, Microsoft, Salesforce, DoorDash and other companies have all talked about new efforts to ensure AI use contributes to productivity or have taken steps to reduce the availability of some tools for certain employees. You get nerfed if you're not putting up big numbers. We should move on.
Speaker 1:First, we got to talk about the Fossil Hunt. Big spenders are pursuing Tyrannosaurus rex skeletons. This was on the cover of the Financial Times. It's the most important story in the global economy according to the Financial Times as of Thursday. This is an old edition, but, this is interesting.
Speaker 1:Sotheby's is to auction a 67,000,000 year old Tyrannosaurus rex two years after it sold a stegosaurus fossil to hedge fund owner Ken Griffin for 44,600,000. I thought Ken Griffin was was I
Speaker 2:didn't know I didn't know stagas were getting up there, like I yeah. Didn't know that the first spot. You know, I feel like T Rex is up here Yeah. In desirability and then everything else is Yeah. You know, way
Speaker 1:T Rex is the Ferrari of dinosaurs. Yeah. Stegosaurus.
Speaker 2:I was like, yeah, kind of a minivan of dinosaurs.
Speaker 1:Minivan. I was gonna say Lambo. Was gonna say Lamborghini. They're on a rise. You know, the the the true the true dino heads know that there's something there.
Speaker 1:They're starting to pick up momentum, but they don't have the heritage. Don't They have as much of the heritage. I don't know.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm more of a I think I could get into
Speaker 1:an ankylosaurus. Oh, ankylosaurus. Okay. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Triceratops too.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I mean, the brontosaurus, like the big guys, that's that's special. You gotta have a special special viewing area for that. Well, this t rex is named Gus after Gary Gus Licking, the rancher whose land it was found on in South Dakota, where it'll be auctioned at Sotheby's with an estimate between 20,000,030, the highest for a dinosaur fossil on July 14.
Speaker 2:I was at a at a buddy's house Yeah. Recently, and he just pointed over at this box Yeah. And it was it was a dinosaur. Oh. And he hadn't taken it out of the box.
Speaker 2:He's like, I've had it for a few years now.
Speaker 1:What is it? A glass box that you can see in?
Speaker 2:No. No. No. It's a wooden box. It's just a crate.
Speaker 1:What's in the box? It's like
Speaker 2:Schrodinger's dinosaur fossil breed.
Speaker 1:Maybe. The planned sale in New York highlights how the auction house is betting on the fossil market as place where the wealthy will spend big. The pre auction estimate for Apex, which is the Citadel boss, Griffin's Stegosaurus, was 4 to 6,000,000. He wound Brachiosaurus. Up spending
Speaker 2:Brachiosaurus is the go to. Brachiosaurus has crazy
Speaker 1:did a podcast about this? Amazing. We gotta listen to that. The overwhelming majority of fossil buyers still want to lend their purchases to a museum. Apex is now on display at the American Museum of Natural History.
Speaker 1:That is a fun story. If you're in the market, go pick it up. Go pick up a T Rex. You gotta do it. It's the ultimate the ultimate collector's item.
Speaker 1:It's the Pokemon card for boomers or something like that. Prepared remarks.
Speaker 2:Yes. Is sharing some signal. You tell us what kind of signals they are. Kyle Kuzma, the AI Maxi. Stocks ripping 10 to 50%.
Speaker 1:He's coming on the show.
Speaker 2:On 13 f of some chud. Can't be Leopold he's talking about. It's no chud. Mhmm. Dell plus 40% on earnings after being plus 150% year to date.
Speaker 2:Dell is now 222 up 222%
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:Year to date. Not bad. Michael Dell. Not bad for somewhat of a I'm not gonna call it a dinosaur. But
Speaker 1:Well, it's been taken private, taken public. Yeah. It's fascinating history of that of that company.
Speaker 2:A great American technology $1,000,000,000,000 company is moving 20% on sell side notes. 1 and a half trillion space holdco of, yeah, he says turds. 10 to They're 20% out intraday moves for no reason software with AI exposure plus a 100% in a month.
Speaker 1:He's black pilling. Moving on.
Speaker 2:Take him. No. It's just so so we were someone else said this morning, I also thought it was a top signal when Jensen signed Yeah. That infamous No.
Speaker 1:Talking about yeah. The shirt. Oh, yeah. Or or even when he was drinking with his buddies, everyone was
Speaker 2:But I I that was
Speaker 1:But, yeah. He he looked very confident going to earnings and and he and he was confident for good reason. Chris says
Speaker 2:what we've all been thinking.
Speaker 1:Oh, what is that?
Speaker 2:Can you die from a lack of being called big dog?
Speaker 1:It's a big question. It's a big question. Where?
Speaker 2:Do you get called big dog too much?
Speaker 1:No. Not very often. I don't know. Okay. Think you Wait.
Speaker 1:Let's in work the right
Speaker 2:Let's work on changing
Speaker 1:there are certain spaces where you might get called big dog. Yeah. And you have to you have to attend. You have to open yourself to the opportunity. You have to open the door to being called big dog.
Speaker 1:Like, if everyone knows your name, they're just gonna call you your name. You have to be you have to be walking around in a certain space.
Speaker 2:Deep fates. This is the post we had earlier. Yeah. I fear not the man who vibe coded 50 new apps, but the man who vibe coded one new app 50 times. It's a banger post.
Speaker 2:I think he meant to say, but the man who vibe coded the same app 50 Yeah. Times.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The same new app 50 times. Something like that.
Speaker 2:This was good. Over on Reddit r slash c f a. Would it be considered insider trading if I'm on a hunting trip or safari with a CEO of a large firm and they get mauled by hyenas and I start buying put options on their firm. Let's say I go to Tanzania on a
Speaker 1:This does not sound hypothetical.
Speaker 2:With the CEO of a very prominent firm in The United States when we suddenly get overran by a pack of a dozen hungry hyenas. However, I and my youthfulness are of course quicker than this old man and I manage to escape and hide behind a rock while the hyenas maul him. Mhmm. If instead of helping him fend them off, I open up Robin Hood and start buying put options on his company, would this be insider trading? There's absolutely no way this can be priced into the stock predicted.
Speaker 2:Oh, but the material non public info blah blah blah. Okay. But what if before I buy the puts I post a video of him getting attacked on my public Instagram story of what then? That's purely hypothetical.
Speaker 1:Does not sound hypothetical. Well, it all depends on what the market thinks about the CEO because it's possible that the market sees his bullish signal that the CEO is no longer there.
Speaker 2:He's clearly pricing in the 21% nuke salute. Yes. You know, where the market
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:At least briefly
Speaker 1:Briefly. Yes. Yes.
Speaker 2:21%, and then hopefully pops back up. But of course course, are saying it's priced in.
Speaker 1:Everything's priced
Speaker 2:Brad Yes. Hunt asked John about his new basketball.
Speaker 1:Can someone is the car here? We have the basketball. Nick, can you go get the basketball that's in my driver's seat or in the passenger seat? Because we were at Laurel Supply yesterday which makes Airwand look like a It makes it makes Airwand look like a It's so above. No.
Speaker 1:I mean,
Speaker 2:it's Supply is is the new Airwand in LA. Yeah. It is not
Speaker 1:It's very nice.
Speaker 2:Not an actual Airwand.
Speaker 1:Food was good. Everything is
Speaker 2:a one to one copy of Airwand.
Speaker 1:It
Speaker 2:is disorienting. They did not try to differentiate a single thing. Yeah. They copied every item on the menu. They copied every Delicious food.
Speaker 2:Every every single item. In my culture, that's very offensive. Yes. Because if you're gonna go through the process of creation
Speaker 1:Yeah. You'd think to do something differently. Okay. But outside of Laurel Supply, I receive from I get stopped by a person who I believe is in the chat. And and he says, here's a basketball.
Speaker 1:I got this for you because he's raising money for a company, Punter, and it says, invest in the future of sports, punter.us/invest. And he had this basketball with a QR code on here. What a unique way to draw attention to your company. What a unique way to pitch someone. And you know you know we love a basketball in the in the
Speaker 2:We do.
Speaker 1:Studio. Basketball. Because there's a lot of camera gear, so we don't throw a full size basketball. We use this we use a foam one. But thank you to the punter team for making this possible.
Speaker 1:Very interesting fun fun way. Yeah. Excited to check that out. What a great what a great way to end the show. We had an NBA star on the show and we finished with the basketball.
Speaker 1:Have a great weekend. We'll see you on Monday.
Speaker 2:Have an incredible weekend.
Speaker 1:Have a great have an incredible weekend. We can't wait for minute. Apple Podcast and Spotify. Sign up for our newsletter at tbpn.com. Will We'll see you a flashback.
Speaker 1:On Monday. Goodbye.