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Welcome to the podcast ‘It All Comes Back To Astrology!’ A humorous empowerment pod made of 2 friends having cosmic conversations, that yes - always come back to Astrology.
Welcome to the podcast. 'It All Comes Back
to Astrology'. We are your hosts, Abbie
Brasch and Linzy Coffeey. And,
Linz, tell them what's
on the menu for today.
Ooh, tasty menu.
There's no choice though. There's just
one thing you can have.
That's Chef Special. And we are about to
talk about the astrology of Wicked.
Yes.
Most specifically, the film adaptation of
the amazing Broadway
musical and the Broadway
musical as well. It's all in the mix
today. But the astrology in that story
and behind the scenes.
Yeah. And this is my Wicked attire for
today. This is the only
green and pink thing I had.
So we're feeling festive.
And Linz is rocking Ariana.
I'm rocking Ariana today. Shout out to
Cynthia. I don't have
green, a lot of green.
In front of me and call it green.
Yes. Yeah. It's a very specific color of
green too. I feel like it's not
necessarily the first
thing in your wardrobe. I am excited to
talk about this today because
I've been thinking about this
nonstop ever since I saw the second film,
which came out a couple
months ago. And it's been in
my head, been talking to myself in the
shower about what I think
the astrology is. And I finally
forcing Linz to listen to my pitch
because there is no real astrology in
Wicked. Like no birth
charts. We don't even know what the
planetary situation is in
Oz. We know there's a moon,
a full, they show a shot of the full moon
and that's all we know. So
this is me, like, I don't
know, whenever I watch anything or just
me in life, I'm always
kind of like just looking for
archetypes in astrology. Yeah. So that's
what inspired me to want to
talk about this today. And
excited. I forced Linz to watch the
second film last night.
So, so good. Not forced.
I wanted to watch it, but yeah, it was so
good. Yeah. You're like, I
know Wicked. You're like,
I've seen the plays. I don't need to
watch the film. You're like,
do I need to watch the film?
Like, yeah, you kind of want to talk
about it. Yeah. Thanks for
watching it. Yes. Were you sad?
It was the best homework ever. I mean, I
felt all the emotions.
It's just so, it's, it was
so much more beautiful than I could have
even like thought the
storyline and the characters and the
sets were gorgeous. It was just
beautiful. That's why I put it off
because I was nervous. I was
going to like cry so much the whole film,
but it just really took
takes you on a journey. That's
so they were for sure tears. I saw the
first one when it came out
2024. Then I didn't watch it
again until 2025. When the second one
came out. And then as soon
as I watched the second one,
I was like, I want to watch the first
one. I miss like the
happy dancing and stuff.
Did you feel that way? I felt, well, I
don't want to give anything
away, but I felt like very
vindicated in the happy ending in the
sense of the freedom for Elphie and
Fierro. Like that felt like,
okay, that felt like a good moment. I
think that, I think if we didn't have
like that type of moment,
I don't know if I could stop. Yeah, it's
pretty tragic. But also,
yeah, happy ending amongst
tragedy. In case people don't know this
podcast episode is going
to be riddled with spoilers.
Sorry, God. Spoilers all the way down. I
mean, I figured people,
most people probably have seen
that, but anyway, watch it if you haven't
or see the play. It's been
many years since I've seen the
play, but it's so nice to have the film
around now to be able
to like, and you just,
it's gorgeous how they told the story.
Yeah, I wanted to gab about Wicked and
the astrology I see.
I felt like what I noticed the most was
like the nature of opposites
in astrology between Glinda
and Elphaba. And just opposites in life.
And they make that
abundantly clear like through their
actions, through their wardrobe, you
know, like black versus like pink, you
know, light versus dark.
And then how you can find love,
friendship, acceptance,
and like growth through those
opposites. And something that also
inspired me was like,
Cynthia Aarivo plays Elphaba,
Ariana Grande plays Glinda. And they're
actually opposite sun signs in astrology.
Ariana is a cancer sun and Cynthia is a
Capricorn sun. And those
are opposites. And so that's,
I think what got Linz and I to start
thinking about like, oh, like they
literally the actors are
opposites. I mean, there's a lot of
nuance. I don't have Cynthia's chart, but
people know Ariana's
chart and she's like Capricorn rising.
So, you know, there's a
lot of nuance in there, but
the basic nature of like opposites shows
up in the actors and
in the film, I find so.
And the fact that the opposites in
astrology are like a teeter totter where
they're on one line.
So it's like you have the opposites, but
it's like they are
forever threaded together. It's
like so beautiful. It's insane casting to
have them like match
their characters in that way,
their own selves. It's like so beautiful
how that like the
synastry of like their own
charts of them being opposite and then
playing roles where
they're opposite, but they're the
theme is the thread between the opposing
values. I think that's
beautifully said. What do you think
of like, without astrology or just like,
what's your vibe or take
on like, what's your feeling
around the concept of like opposites or
opposition? I mean, you kind
of already said that, but tell
me more. Okay, well, I think it's like
light and shadow. It's like
we live on earth and on earth,
there's light and shadow. Like there's
there, it's just like we live
in a space that's always using
like polarization as a teacher, how we
could learn a lesson through
seeing it through a mirror,
even especially like the good and the
good and the bad, which is obviously
that's like part of the
theme is what's really good and what's
really bad. And in
astrology, there's no like good or
bad. It's just light and shadow.
Everything's being played.
Everything's like playful, like
what is good and good is so nuanced and
bad is so nuanced. And
this astrological sign is
stereotypical this way, but it's like
still a nuance. What is your
take on it with the opposites
and the characters and the pink and the
green? I've been reading a
lot about it because I've been,
you know, obsessing over this for a
month, maybe more than that.
I'll start with the astrology
because that's my language. Opposites in
astrology, if the
astrological wheel has like all the 12
signs, it's whatever one's, you know,
directly on the other side
of the wheel. Cancer is a sign
that's in the summer and its opposite is
Capricorn that's in the
winter. So they seem completely
different, but they do have a
relationship. I liked what you said about
mirror because I feel
like with opposites, it's like they have
different goals on the outside, but
underneath is like the
same desire. Yeah, but in different kind
of forms of it. The same lesson, maybe
two. This is a quote
from Aspects in Astrology by Sue
Tompkins. Opposite signs need each other
to function at their optimum,
but for this to happen, it is crucial
that compromise,
moderation, and a spirit of give
and take prevail. So it's like that
concept, like you're saying
of light and dark, is light
in absence of the dark or is darkness in
absence of light? Does that make sense?
It's like they wouldn't exist without the
other. There it is.
That's what I'm trying to say.
They need each other to
exist, both sides of the spectrum.
And it's a big topic, just opposite in
general. As I'm
talking about it, I'm like,
this is hard to talk about. We need both
sides to be whole, both
sides of the spectrum.
And so what I took kind of the Glinda,
Elphaba, opposition kind of
vibe, I saw that as the Leo
Aquarius. Yes. Yes. I was thinking that
too, because Elphie is
like the resistance, the
Aquarius. Is that what you were thinking?
Yes. Yes. That's what I
wrote down. It's the resistance.
It's resisting the system through
authenticity and in order to
break the system. And I think
Leo's, I'm a Leo, like systems are nice
for me. I like a system. I
like a leader that feels like
we do need to have leaders and we do.
That's very Glinda, like
she's so much so the head figure,
especially in the second movie, she leans
into that knowing it's
the role of like the puppet
in a way until she starts playing with
the Aquarian themes. But
yeah, Elphie is like 100%
Aquarius. And I liked what you said about
the give and take though,
because I think that really
comes into play because their character
arc, Glinda in the
beginning was very Leo almost.
And then she realized the value of the
Aquarian and then maybe
vice versa. I'm so glad that
resonated because when I started seeing
it, I was like, I need to talk about
this. What's your take
on that? What is your take? Yeah. A
couple of like keywords that
you kind of already mentioned,
but Aquarius is like the exiled. The
exiled. The exiled is the
spotlight. Yeah. It's the two
opposite ends of the spectrum. You can
really see that through
the characters and through,
yeah, they have their arcs and yeah, what
does like the exiled and
the spotlight, what do they
have in common? I think they're both
incredibly inherently
powerful. Like there's like this
inherent power in that because you have
to be powerful to be a
spotlight. You have to be brave.
You have to be grounded in who you are.
Even if sometimes you might
not feel fully, fully your
best or whatever, you still have to be
like there is a power of
like being in a position where
you're being seen. And then the same for
an Aquarian is the same
power. It's that same power
of like that groundedness because you
also have to be brave to be
the exiled. You have to like be
brave to be seen, but then you also have
to be extremely brave to be
not only not seen, but seen
and disliked. Oof. Yeah, chills. Yeah.
Which makes why it's like a
later sign in the calendar. It's
almost like there's a lesson that comes
later in the calendar of
the earth. Yeah, and as you're
talking, it was making me think like is
the Alio Aquarius axis about
identity or a lack of identity?
Like having too much identity and then
not enough? Yes, agreed.
And I think in addition,
that access in plays with power. I think
it plays with power of
self but power of society.
Yeah, I think you said that perfectly.
I'll start with like Leo, I
guess, you know, for those who
aren't super familiar with the different
archetypes in astrology. Leo is
represented by the lion.
It's ruled by the sun Leo seasons over
the summer, like when the sun
is at its brightest and it's
hottest. And so the sun represents
rulers, leaders, kind of
that divine part of us that's
ever changing. I mean, like the sun is
like the center of our solar
system. And it's always bright
and shining. In some parts of the year,
it's not quite as bright as
others, but it's still there.
It's always there. And so put that with
the archetype of Leo and
it's like the center of
attention, which is, you know, it's gonna
sound like I'm talking shit about Leo,
but I'm talking about the general
archetype like Linz and I are both Leo
sons. So a word associated
with Leo is like sacred individualism.
And so it's very much about
like, who am I in this world?
Like, how can I make my mark? Like, what
is best for me? What do I
want? How can I create the things
that I want to like make my mark in the
world? And so I think of
that a lot as like, the insider,
the one in the inner circle, the one who
like knows what's going on.
Some keywords that go with Leo
are often like confidence, creativity,
loyalty, generosity. It's
associated with your heart,
because Leo's are very generous with
their heart and the spine,
like the back, your backbone, your
figurative and literal
backbone of the body.
Yeah, Leo's like the center, the heart,
the soul. I feel like
Glinda definitely gives Leo.
A million percent.
I want to hear before I go into all my
points. What do you think of her as like,
as a representation of the
general archetype of Leo?
Oh, I love her. I love her. I love her as
a cancer as a actress too. I just yeah,
she's amazing to me.
They're both amazing Cynthia too.
I completely agree. And I think like we
were talking about
earlier with the opposites,
there's like a light side and a shadow
side. And I think Leo's
are so powerful when they
incorporate that shadow, like the power
she had at the end of
Wicked for Good versus the almost
like the false power she had in the
beginning, the
performative power where she goes from
performative power to more authentic
power. I think that was
very Leo because I think
once a leader is doing their job
correctly and they're in their full form,
they've incorporated
that shadow side to Leo. And so I think
it's just, I mean, good examples. I mean, she starts school.
She cares about image. She cares about
the people around her.
She's sort of a people pleaser,
but she knows what she's doing. She's a
people pleaser where she
knows how to navigate spaces
in a really strategic way. And she has
always used that to her
advantage. And I think that's
also kind of a Leo trait is to really
know how to navigate strategically the
room, people around you,
the systems that you work in, and then
knowing the system because once the system is in the room,
once the system is revealed, like the
wizard is revealed, she
knows it's a stage and she knows
her role on the stage and what she needs
to do in order to stay in
the spotlight exactly where she
knows her mark on the stage. She knows
the little set mark on the stage. She
stands there. She knows
where she needs to go until that sort of
breaks later in the next
movie. Yeah. And I like how
you mentioned that performative element
because Leo, a lot of times
is associated with like acting
and performing. They do that comfort,
like taking up space or like
being in the spotlight, allowing
themselves to be seen. And so yeah, and
authenticity, another kind of like Leo
theme of like, yeah,
when Leo's in its more light side. Yeah.
Or it's more in its power.
It's more about authentic
expression of self. I agree with
everything you're saying, especially like
beginning of the film,
she's the adored one. She's the popular
girl. The world revolves
around her perspective.
She's like, something terrible has
happened. I didn't get my
way. I was like, Oh, Leo.
I mean, obviously it's very exaggerated,
but she has kind of a sense of like
entitlement in a way
that she's like, Oh, I deserve to take up
space. I deserve to have
the spotlight. And it's not
necessarily a bad thing. But when it's
totally like when you're
totally unaware of anyone else
and what's going on with them, then
that's what it can be a
problem. So it's like, she's able to
embody her role in her life. And she's
very comfortable. Yeah,
working a space exactly
what you said. And she celebrated simply
for being herself. Like, we don't know
why people love her.
Like, as
confident girl fakes
it till she makes it.
And people are like,
you're wonderful, Galinda.
Like, just and I'm like, why didn't we
used to hate the popular girl?
They're popular for a reason. It's like
Taylor's all his time. It's
like, why is the trope true?
Which is, is what the wizard says in the
second movie where he's like,
even if we uncovered things that the
curtain goes, like people will still
believe the facade because
it's such a nice facade to believe. And
in a way, it's sort of like
her character in the first movie
is that beautiful, flowing pink, fairy
tale, dream girl, fictional character
that we like that the
people around are like, she is the it
girl. I mean, I think she's being
authentic herself. Like,
she doesn't know how to be anything else.
Yes. You know, like, she's
like, she is this is who I am,
but she like loves the performance. Like,
that is her nature is to
not find it so hard for her to
let it go. She's good at it. She's good
at that. She's good at being a public
figure. She has agency
in that she's like talented in that.
Yeah. She's good at also her hair is a
character in the film.
My god, love. Toss toss. I was like Leo,
Leo's and their hair. Do
people know this? Like, I don't
know. It's kind of like a trope
stereotype thing of like, Leo's and their
lion's mane. They love
their hair. So I thought it was funny,
like, in popular when she's like, the
first thing you must
do, toss your hair. Like, yes. I was
like, this is so Leo coded. Just the
obsession with the hair.
I also thought it was funny, like,
because we're gonna talk
definitely about the like social
justice aspects in Wicked. But the way
she like in the train scene, do you
remember in the first one?
When they're about to go to the Emerald,
the Emerald City.
Emerald City. I almost forgot.
Emerald City. They call Seattle the
Emerald City. Do they?
Because it's green. Really?
My god, Abbie, you're living in Wizard of
Oz. One short day in the Emerald City.
That's where I live.
I live with you. Get me on that train,
bro. As an aside of the
singing, incredible. And the
training for their characters singing
voices to match the character.
Incredible. Or just like
the fact that Cynthia has to fly and
sing. I was watching an
interview where she was like,
you don't you're not on the ground. You
don't have your center of gravity.
Like help you project your voice. You
have to just do it from there.
They're both out of this world. That's
amazing. Yeah. Glinda
expresses her social justice in
that train scene, the first film where
she's gonna go to the
Emerald City and she feels like,
you know, weirdly competitive and
possessive of Fierro when they're like,
oh, they care so much
about Dr. Dillman getting fired. And
she's like, well, I care
too. I'm gonna change my name.
The way she's expressing her solidarity
is through herself, like
through her brand. You know,
it always comes back to the self for her.
Like this is my way of expressing that.
Yeah. Their reaction is quite funny.
That's a good point.
Yeah. So I just thought that I was like,
oh, this is how she does
social justice and solidarity is
like just changing your name. It's not
really doing that much, but
it does a lot in her mind.
Yes. Which is like such a hot topic now
right now too, with like
celebrity culture and social
justice. And you could argue either way,
but you could also argue
like, if you are like, if she,
because she's a public figure and Oz,
like people kind of do
listen to her, it is doing a
little of something because it's like her
taking a stance in a public way.
That's true. I didn't
really think about that.
Still alerts the public as like, this is
something we should think about.
Yeah. It's not necessarily wrong. It's
just like different than.
But it's like not like, she's not like
building a nonprofit, which
like would be like exponentially
more helpful. This is her way of doing
it. No passing laws.
She's still standing comfortable in her
own self, in her own world.
And her in her life
privilege for sure. Yeah.
Yeah. She wants power and influence over
people. Like with people, like she
already kind of naturally
has that, but that is like the trajectory
she like wants in her life.
Like, yes, she wants to be a
sorceress, but in the flashback scene to
when she's a kid and her
mom's like, everyone loves you.
That's all you'll ever need. And yeah,
she has that natural charm
and draw that has kind of like
that very solar sun kind of quality to
it. That feels very like Leo
of like her ability to relate
to people in make them feel seen or make
them feel like she's
someone to aspire to in some way
or someone they feel safe with. That's
like her power in her
way of helping people.
And she wants magic to show people that
she has magic versus
like someone who wants magic
to use and do the magic and to study the
magic just on its own. She
like wants the magic in order
to show off that she has the magic. Yeah,
it's hard to tell if she's
like, why she exactly wants to be
a sorceress. We know as a kid, she's
like, I want to be magical. And then she
says, it's my heart's
desire to be a sorceress. We don't
really, I feel like we never really get
the full why maybe is just
that power thing or performative to set
her apart and above. I think
it's more hierarchical goal,
desire more than anything else. Yeah. And
it's funny in the
second film too. She's like,
what what scenes it's like one of the
first scenes where she's at
Munchkin land and she announces
that her and Fierro are engaged. And he's
like, what the fuck? And he
was like, oh, I've got bullet
points to talk about Fierro. God bless
Jonathan Bailey. Yeah, they
have that scene together. And
he's like, let's get out of here. Like
what are we doing? Like this is so
performative and stupid.
And she's like, I can't leave. Like
people expect me to lift
their spirits. Like she's
the spotlight. She has this pressure or
this pressure she's taken
upon herself because she
likes it. And he's like, you can't, he's
like, you can't resist this.
That's the truth. And she's
kind of like, yeah, what if I can't?
Like, is that so wrong? And
I feel like that was kind of
that Leo archetype too. I would take it
even further of like, the
people do kind of need that.
I do think people need inspiration. We
don't need only inspiration.
We need laws and non-profits and
action and the resistance and the
aquariums that we can talk about with
Elvie. But it's like, you
also do in a society need someone, a
human to show
inspiration, to inspire you to
be the face of the ideals behind the
face. Even if the face herself, Glinda
isn't necessarily like
authentically all of those ideals. She
represents the ideals. And in
that case, like a society kind
of does need a figurehead maybe, maybe
not. Maybe that's just what
we're used to as society in the
past. That's what people are comfortable
with. It's what people feel
like. Oh, this person's in
charge. I trust them. We're all good.
We're all good. For worse, you know. For
better or for worse.
But it's like, there's a grounding around
it that I think in a way
Glinda is like very aware of.
Like the people do need someone. Why
should it not be me? They need someone.
Someone's going to fill
these shoes. What is she saying?
Elphaba's like, they need someone to be
wicked so that you can
be good. And that's again, that light in
shadow. It's so powerful.
And it's on the stage and then
behind the scenes. It's like she's the
true, like Elphie's like
doing so much behind the scenes,
but you needed both worlds. You need on
the stage and you need
behind the scenes. What are your
thoughts of the Aquarius part of
Elphie's? Yeah, that's a good segue. I
actually wanted to say
one more thing about her Leonis and then
my, I definitely ready
to talk about Elphaba and
Aquarius. But at the end of the film, I
was like, Leo, when she like
puts that crown on her head,
like it has that moment of like, you
could see like all the
experiences, all like the pain, all
the like positive and negative, all the
sacrifice and loss that she
had to do to get to that point.
And she's like, I'm accepting my role. I
am the leader. I am the
queen and I'm stepping into this
power. And luckily she does use it for
good, but she needs Elphaba,
which I want to talk about now.
She's fully embodied in that she is like
the Leo embodiment,
like before it was like Leo
performative Leo. And then in the end,
she is like embodying the
true power when it's being
used in the right way. Oh, that's so good
with the crown. Yeah, it
makes me like, Oh, chills.
Like, you just know, like, yeah, her
acting, you can just see like in her
eyes, like, this isn't
like a happy moment. You know, it's like,
there's so much behind her face when
she's looking in the
mirror and putting that crown on her
head. Yes, because she's
seen like the birth and death,
the rebirth, all of it. So, Linz, how do
you feel about Aquarius
in general? How do you
feel about that energy? Or like, do you
vibe with Aquarius as
like a Leo son? Yeah.
Aquarius, our sister
sign, they are so hot to me.
They are really hot. You're an Aquarius,
you're so hot. I it's like,
they're hot. And I'm afraid of
them. I have a few female friends that
are query Aquarius is that
are, I would consider very close
friends. One of my best friends is an
Aquarius. Man, are they
interesting, very like intelligently
driven and also totally themselves in a
way that I think, I don't know. I don't
even know. It's hard
for me to describe. It's a big question
I've asked of you. Like, how
do you feel about Aquarius? No
pressure. They are so themselves in a way
that I think Leo, I think
they can just learn a lot
from each other. I think they can learn a
lot from each other. They
really go their own path,
really do. Yeah. And they commit to it.
And but I always find them to
be like, they're rebellious,
but they'll never tell you until they'll
never say it. It's like, they're
rebelling in the quietest
of ways. And yet they're like doing a lot
of work, but it does feel
behind the scenes, like,
in it's very quiet rebellion almost. And
there's, they're still out
there doing the work and, and
like resisting the system. But I find
that it comes off in more subtle ways.
When you meet people with
a strong Aquarius placements, you feel
that like rebelliousness, but it might
not be like, the first
thing they say, they feel really self
guided. And they have a
goal. And it's, it's like, Hey,
I want to go to grad school or Hey, I
want to do this thing or
whatever. I want to start a music
academy. And then they do it. And it's
like, they're just like quietly working
along the path and they
like make it happen. And then if they
find a block along the way, like an
obstacle, it just does seem
like they always fight against it.
They're just like, no, this
is like in my way. And I'm in a
frickin tunnel through this. And like
they really do fight back. Like an
Aquarius I find are the ones
that are like, if their order is wrong,
they'll send it back.
It feels very specific.
Who were you hanging out with that? Sent
their order back. And you felt
uncomfortable. Just kidding.
Yeah. My mom and my sister are both
Aquarius. Oh, you have a lot of
experience with Aquarius. What
is your take you there? Well, I don't
really have an Aquarius friends. So I
feel like mine comes from
mine comes from like a familiar familial
lens. Yeah, it's funny. It's
like my mom and Eric close.
And then we also like very different.
Yeah. Same with my sister and I were
really similar in a lot
of ways. And then in certain ways were
very different. I know
something with, you know,
my sister, hopefully she's fine that I'm
talking about this actually
knowing her, she's probably
not fine. But I'm gonna say it for the
podcast. My sister doesn't
like being in the center of
attention. She doesn't like people
looking at her. She doesn't like people
perceiving her. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's the same thing with my mom. My
mom also has kind of a weird
relationship with her emotions.
And since Aquarius is an air sign and
Leo's fire, I guess this
is more because I have water
in my chart. But yeah, my, it's almost
like in detachment in a way
Aquarius is able to detach
from situations or things in a way that
other, I feel like signs
aren't able to as much. So they
can take more of an objective kind of
look at things versus
someone who's, you know, really in
the feelings about something. It's easier
for air signs, especially
Aquarius to look at things in a
more logical further out view and not get
so swept up in like the
emotions of something.
Yeah. A lot of people that I know that
are Aquarius sons are therapists, which
is interesting to me,
because to me, I think the only way to be
a good therapist is to
be able to like, have that
stepping away and like not getting like
so taking on other emotions
that is a gift in that world,
I think, because yeah, these two people
I'm thinking of are
really good at their jobs,
but they have to have a detached sense
because it's a lot of, I
mean, like, I don't know how many
clients a day, but a lot of emotional
information coming at you.
Yeah, that's such a good point.
So Abbie, what would how would you
describe an Aquarius?
Well, I would describe an Aquarius as
Aquarius is symbolized by the water
bearer, the mythology
behind it, I'm not going to butcher the
story. You can look it
up if you want. I'm sorry,
that's not my forte right now. But
basically, someone poured
water down from the gods to
humanity. That's the that's the
punchline. Gonna have to cut all this.
The water bearer symbol
is giving back to humanity. Oh, it's
taking like the gift from the gods and
pouring it down from
the sky, giving it to humanity. That's
the symbol for Aquarius. I'm
so sorry if I butchered that,
you definitely did. But yeah, isn't that
beautiful? I learned
about it in class, but
haven't looked back on that since since
that day. And so some work
keywords to kind of describe
Aquarius is the outsider. The weirdo.
Yeah, the collective versus the self.
This is when it's like
the opposite with Leo. Aquarius is
usually identifies more with
a group or is more comfortable
identifying with a group or with others
versus like themselves, if
that makes sense. And Aquarius
is ruled by Saturn. And Saturn. Oh, wow.
Well, I didn't know
that. Yeah, so in traditional
astrology, Aquarius is ruled by Saturn.
It's also associated with Uranus in
modern astrology. But
modern astrologers can be like it's ruled
by Uranus. I disagree.
It's traditionally ruled by
Saturn. Oh, interesting. But it's also
you know, themes associated
with Uranus. So you can look at
both. Saturn is known as like the cold
planet, the dark one, it's associated
with time and old age,
limitations, maturity, restrictions.
Saturn is a toughy. Is it
what? A toughy. I don't.
I haven't used that word. I thought you
said like they're a titsie or something.
They're a toughy. I have trouble with
Saturn as a Leo. So Saturn
for the long for, you know,
the longest time it was the furthest
planet we could see. So we're like, in
traditional astrology,
they're like, that's the furthest planet.
That's so far away from us.
We can still see it. And so
it is associated with that death,
outsider, what's far away, what's in the
shadows, what's hidden,
the rejected parts of life, or the kind
of not so pleasant parts of
life. A lot of times Saturn is
like represented by a skeleton, or like
Grim Reaper kind of vibes. And so and
Saturn is associated
with winter. So it rules Capricorn and
Aquarius. And so Aquarius being
associated with Saturn,
I find very interesting, but also makes a
lot of sense because
Aquarius is kind of that like black
sheep archetype, the one who is cast into
the shadows and lives on
the margins, maybe who feels
different from everyone else, or who has
trouble kind of like
embodying their own identity and
like stepping in and maybe they don't
want to be part of the inner circle.
Maybe they prefer to be
on the outside, you know, beautifully
said. Yeah, the
margins. And by living in those
margarine, margarine, margarine, those
margins. I think there's a wisdom that
comes from that when
you're on an edge of society or an edge
of any group and edge of
any community, one foot in,
one foot out, not even in a bad way, just
like, okay, I'm tapping
in, I can see what's going on
here. There just becomes a wisdom through
that observing, like
through observing from that space
that I think Aquarius folks embody or are
trying to embody in this
life. Yeah, I have a quote from
my teacher and I don't know if my teacher
Mal Hasty got this from
somewhere else, but it was in my
notes from our poets astrology school,
but it's Aquarius has a deep
desire to bring light to what
society wants to keep in the dark. Yes.
Yeah, they know what it's like on the
outside. They can see
all the things that society is casting
aside or that people are not
acknowledging. Like you said,
the observer, whereas if you're inside,
if you're in the palace as
the king, as the lion ruler,
you have no idea what's going on outside.
Yeah, as someone who's
more on the outskirts, on the
margins, yeah, they know what's up. They
have the ability to see that. Yes,
there's a story in my
mind of this person that I dated and
they, back in the day when we're all
really young and like
drinking like classic millennials, and
they, they, they put up like a
building, like a new building
in like the hometown space of this
Aquarius. I guess he and his
friends all went out drunk and
one of his friends said that like he took
a huge boulder rock and
like threw it. Like, because he
like hated that they, like the rich came
in and like built this
building over like this
like beautiful, rugged, authentic space
that was just like rugged, but like
beautiful, beautiful,
and it's like run down this, what words
am I saying? And he
hated it. He hated like the,
the transition into like a more rich
person space. Yeah. Is that when you
realized they were hot?
You might have to cut this out. Yeah,
he's so hot. He was so hot.
Not cutting out Aquarius's are hot. No,
that's what we're doing. I love that.
If you know any hot Aquarius's to send
Lynn's his way. Her address is
one, two, three, four, yeah, literally
got to get you an
Aquarius, hot Aquarius PO box.
That people. Yes. Oh
my gosh. The Rex two.
One more thing I wanted to say about
Saturn and then I want
to talk about alphabet.
This is another quote from my notes from
school. I don't, I think
this might have been Mal.
So shout out if it's email, but if it's
from somewhere else,
whoops. Saturn has the gift
of seeing a situation in its purest
reality without delusion
and can act accordingly.
Wow. That gift. Can you say that one more
time? It's a gift of
seeing a situation and its pure
reality. Yeah. Saturn has the gift of
seeing a situation in the
purest reality without delusion
and can act accordingly. And that's
Elphaba. That's our girl,
Elphie. She was exiled from the
moment that she took her first breath.
Literally, why am I getting emotional?
Because it's really,
it's a tragic story. It really is like,
yeah, the her green skin
is just like a metaphor for
all those people who are misrepresented,
oppressed, judged, who are different,
who are forced to be silenced, who are on
the outside. I don't
know why I'm more emotional
than I thought I'd be. But yeah, it's
just a really sad story
because you know this happens
to so many people. And even if they don't
have literal green skin,
it's just a tragic like story
that she had no reason to be cast out.
She didn't do anything
wrong. Nothing was her fault.
She has a completely different experience
of life from that point of view. From
that I don't belong,
I'm unwanted from the beginning. And she
relates more to the animals
because first of all, Dulsa
Bear, so first person that showed her
kindness that cared for her
when she was a baby and a kid.
And she sees like the injustice being
done to the animals. And she identifies
with that as someone
who relates to them. And she's like
fighting for them. But it's also for
herself, whether she
realizes that or not. And I think that's
a part of the kind of Aquarius
archetype is that she's like,
oh, we have to take care of this group of
people. It's not about me.
But at the same time, it is
about her a little bit. Because she has
been treated like that
her whole life. When Madame
Morrible is like, you know, manipulating
her when she's in her sorcery
seminar. And she's like, oh,
you had a really hard day. That must have
been really stressful for
you in Dr. Dillaman's class.
And she's like getting really angry.
She's like, no one should be scorned or
laughed at or told to
stop jabbering on, which is what her dad
had said to her. And then her
like magic kind of kicks in.
Yeah, it's like she relates to that. And
that's like the cause
she's fighting for. Yes, she's
fighting for others. She doesn't want
people, well, animals to
experience what she's experienced.
She's, you know, never felt like she
knows it deeply because she lived it. She
knows the experience
deeply. She knows injustice because she's
been affected so deeply
that she had to embody that
injustice in her own body, in her own
skin. And so, of course,
she's going to know that on such
a deep level because she's experienced
it. So of course, she is the
voice for that, which is so
brave in itself, because you also have to
move into a space where
you're gonna lean in to the
resistance, lean into, okay, this is
wrong. And I'm also
gonna do something about it.
Yeah, and it's like she's never been
accepted by society. So she's like,
she's like, I'm never going to be
accepted. I've never been accepted.
I'm just going to do what I
do. And it doesn't matter.
It's so interesting to though, when the
animals are going under
the road, which is very like
underground railroad moment. And the
animals are going into the physical
yellow brick road to
leave and flee the second tree that is
persecuting them.
Yeah. And the second film,
I could forget the animals are going into
the yellow into the
yellow brick road. I think she
sings right before that. Like, why am I
fighting for this home for
this land for this country for
this space that has done nothing but
betray me has done nothing but hurt me.
And the animals are kind
of like, yeah, we need to leave. And
there's just an element of like, I'm
going to do everything I
can to fight for, to balance, to bring
back the balance of the
good in this wicked situation.
Until she realizes like, at the end of
the film that her safety
needs to happen as well. Why is
she staying? Why is she fighting the
fight when she knows the
danger when she knows the pain,
when she knows all of the strife that
comes along with the
resistance? Because fear.
Some quotes that I thought sounded like
Aquarius. Well, so in the wizard and I,
which so good in the
movie, I never cared about that song at
all in the play. I was like, well,
whatever. And I was like,
crying every time I watch, like, I won't
even talk about it. Cause
I'm going to start crying.
But I guess I'm talking about it when she
has the vision of the
future. And like, it's just so like
the way it's done. It's just so well
done. And like the way
that Cynthia like acts, which
and as she's singing the wizard and I in
the first one, which when
she's like, I want to meet the
wizard, no, it's going to change. Like
she finally is like, see some, some
meaning in her life of
like, Oh, something I can do with my
powers. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the first
song that she sings. And
it's interesting because it's like, I
feel like the Aquarius archetype is like,
I don't want to be, I don't need to be
accepted. I'm on the outside,
but then a part of them does
want to be accepted. Maybe not by the
like popular girl kind of
place, but they do still,
everyone deserves love and acceptance.
And we all search for
that in some form. I think
this quote, yeah, like during the wizard
and I, she's like, though
I'd never show it, I'd be so
happy I could melt. And it's like, why am
I getting a mo what is
going on with me? I'm getting
emotional. Because you're feeling so in
the purpose of it. It's
like, it was so beautiful,
because it's like, okay, my acceptance
will come through purpose.
And in a way, her purpose was to
be good. Her purpose was to really like
show, Hey, we can be a better
society. We can really improve
how we treat each other. Like I want to
be accepted because I
want everyone to be accepted.
And like, there, there just is a purpose.
Her purpose came into
light. Yeah. And I thought
it was funny because she was like, though
I'd never show it. I'd be so happy I
could melt. She's like,
I don't, I don't need to be accepted. I
don't want to be accepted.
But like the idea of having
acceptance really fills her with light.
Yeah, it fills her with like you said
purpose. She's like,
oh my God, people might accept me in a
different way if I'm with
the wizard. But we know that by
the end of the film, like what she really
wants is just love. Oh,
someone you know, like, and then
when I feel like when she finds Fierro,
like she's like, I'm good to leave Oz.
Let's get out of here.
You know, so interesting.
The vulnerability of their
like when he comes back to her
nest. What does she call
it in the movie her hovel?
But does she does she call it something?
I swear to God
someone use the word hovel.
Another quote I wanted to share was in
the first film before
Glinda and Elphaba are friends.
And they're in their history class with
Dr. Dillamond. And Glinda
is like, it's not Glinda,
it's Galinda with a gah. And then
Elphie's like, maybe the
pronunciation of your precious name
is not the sole focus of Dr. Dillamond's
life. Maybe some of us are just
different. And I was like,
Aquarius, Aquarius Leo. He was like,
pronounce my name right.
Okay. And then Aquarius is like,
that doesn't fucking matter. So I thought
that was very Aquarius
versus Leo. And then the song,
I'm not that girl. I'm like, that's so
Aquarius. Yes, I'm not
that girl. Because that girl,
the eight girl is the Leo, like the
Glinda. And not to say that
Aquarius, if you're an Aquarius,
you're not that girl. It's not like you
are. But it's like the way
she sees it. Right? Like the
way Elphaba sees is like, I'm not like
other girls. I'm not like
the perfect picture of what
romance seems like it should be or what a
man would desire. So I'm
gonna hide in the woods and
sing my beautiful song. And yeah, but I'm
never gonna be the
spotlight girl. That just felt like
kind of an Aquarius vibe. Totally. I'm a
moonlight girl, but they're
still light lit up. It's like
they're just lit up in a different light.
She is that girl to Fiyero
in the end. Well, she's in
that moment on. He's like, he's obsessed.
Again, they're hot. Aquarius
is like, can't reiterate it
enough. Another like Aquarius Leo moment
that I thought was
interesting in the second film.
So the scene during Fierro and Glinda's
wedding. And it's like
glitzy, glamorous, beautiful. And
then it cuts to Elphaba, who's like in
what seems like a basement with the
darkness and the cages
and the animals. And it's just a contrast
between, look at how great
everything is. This is the light.
Everything's great. How much hope? And
then there's this thing
that's being kept in the dark
that people don't know about. And she's
like, has her moment where
she's like, I refuse to accept
this. That's like that Saturnian vibe of
like, this is here in the
dark and I know you don't want
to see it. And I know you aren't happy
about it. And it's going
to ruin your precious day,
but you have to see what's being kept in
the cages here. Which is
happening, I think, on earth
right now too. Oh, 110%. 100 million,
gazillion, gazillion,
gazillion, gazillion.
Gluto's in Aquarius and we're just
collectively going to keep
fighting until we bring down
the horrors. Yeah, the horrors that we're
living through right now. We're
uncovering, uncovering,
which is what she was doing with the
animals. And then when she
like turned to the wizard and was
like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, you are
evil. What did she say to
him? She was like, I will never
trust you again, pretty much. You're a
very bad man. Yes. Because
I've watched it so many times.
She freed them and it was like, them
running through the wedding was like,
and Fiyero was like, yes, she's here.
Yeah, his dream girl. So
something else I kind of forgot
to mention was like, there's the
consequences of her being on the outside
and fighting for her cause
in a way that society doesn't like. And
she gets exiled completely,
almost killed multiple times.
So I think Elphaba's character, the
crooks of her identity
and life path and issues,
it's the burden of the truth. I think
it's like the burden of the truth, the
burden of the truth.
When you know real truth, how heavy that
can be and how heavy that
can feel. And then on top of
the heaviness of the dark truth, you've
got people that are wanting
to hurt you because you see the
truth, because you hear the truth,
because you know the truth and because
you speak the truth.
There's also the burden of the dangerous
side of it. Like, okay,
I'm like a whistleblower or
whatever. I'm going to be attacked, which
is very clear in her story.
And just the burden of the
truth, knowing the truth comes at a cost
and she fully embodies that
cost. She loses everything
because of it. She loses her dad who we
don't care about. She
loses her sister. Her sister,
that's another thing I wanted to talk
about too. The sister, the
sister. It's so crazy to me too,
that even her own sister who she's done
nothing but care for and
oblige and lift up literally
with her magical powers into the air with
her magical shoes. It's
just like the truth was still
so scary to the sister herself. Yeah, the
sister. I don't know. What do
you think about that dynamic?
I didn't really write about Nessa because
I was like Scorpio, move
on. Stop. You think Scorpio?
I thought just like the... What about a
Capricorn? Yeah, I could see her as a
Capricorn. This is me
just like I didn't give too much thought
to it. The possessiveness
of how she is with Bach.
I think that's why I thought Scorpio. Oh
my god. And with Bach. Yes.
But we don't really get to see
the good parts of Nessa that much. We're
like, oh, she is annoyed
by her sister's presence,
like is annoyed that her sister's holding
her back, but then
loves her at the same time.
But she's a little bit self-serving too.
Nessa for sure. Yeah. And
then with the Bach stuff.
Turning Bach into her servant? Yeah, and
then blaming Elphaba. Bro.
Yeah. The trail. It's sad.
But Elphaba loses everything. But in a
way, you could say that they
were raised to be that way.
Nessa was raised to always listen to the
father that loved her and
to also exile her sister.
She's been bred to treat Elphaba in this
way. See her own sister as less than her.
Yeah, it's definitely complicated. And we
don't get to get too much into their
dynamic, but you can kind of sense that
it's like there's love
there, but there's also like,
yeah, there's love, but it's so it's
tormented a little bit.
And it's, and it's been,
I mean, there's talk about PTSD from the
freaking father asshole. Yeah.
Linz is feeling it all. Bro. Yeah, the
daddy sucks. Yeah. But Fierro. Hot.
Hot. Gorgeous. What do
you think Fierro's mind is?
Okay. So I'm curious. I have no idea. So
I went back and forth and we're talking
archetypes. Like who knows? We're
talking, we're talking the basic
archetypes. I'm just talking
about like what I see in the film, but
for Fierro I chose two. The
first one I chose was Libra,
the scales. Right. And I'll tell you why.
Some of it's for fun. He gets a
girlfriend the moment he
walks into shiz. Well, okay. So Libra is
a sign that's about relationships, right?
I'm so on your train right now.
Everything you're saying
I'm double, I'm like triple
downing in my mind. Okay, good. So Libra
is all about balance, right? The scales,
but also the scales of justice. So
justice is very important to
Libra's and they constantly
are kind of like balancing the things in
their life because harmony
and peace and relationships
are like the most kind of important thing
to the Libra archetype.
Sometimes they'll choose
peace above all else, but they do care
about doing what's right and
what's fair. And they, you know,
for their love. Exactly. And it's
interesting because, yes, Fierro gets a
girlfriend the moment
he shows up at shiz. I'm like Libra.
Because of course.
Because have you seen him?
I'm laughing because when I showed, well,
I'm laughing, but when I
showed Dakota, I forced my
husband to watch the first Wicked with me
last year. And he's never,
he'd never seen the play.
He doesn't know anything about it. And at
the end, he's like, I'm
confused. And, you know,
he explained a couple of things that, and
I was like, it'll make
sense in the second act,
but he's like, and who's this guy? He's
like, there's a guy.
What's the point of him? And I'm
like, he's a big guy. No, he's a, he is
important in the story. I do adore his
character arc, but I
saw as funny Dakota's like, what's the
point of this guy? I'm like, well, he
becomes a scarecrow.
Okay. From the wizard of Oz. Before that,
he has a point from the beginning,
his step into the school. He is the
point. Okay. He's Libra.
But Libra thrives in part partnership and
they understand
themselves through others. Usually
like that's kind of a Libra archetype.
Like actually, actually,
I didn't know that. Yeah.
Just like, I mean, cause so I didn't
actually mention this, but the sun in
astrology is at home
in Leo and it's in detriment, which is
like in its most uncomfortable position
in Aquarius, you know,
cause it's winter, the sun can't shine
there. And it's in fall in Libra, which
is when it's like the
sun's decreasing in light. It's still not
really comfortable in
Libra. So Libra and Aquarius are
two signs that's hard for the sun to
express itself in the full
way it wants to. Identities
stepping into your own can be more
challenging for someone with like a Libra
sun or an Aquarius sun.
Would you say that that's also in like
the rising signs, like a
Libra rising and Aquarius rising?
Yeah, definitely. I mean, it can be, it
can just be like associating with the
other is a bit easier
or comes more naturally to those kinds of
archetypes. Yeah.
It's actually interesting
because Jonathan Bailey had said in an
interview, Fierro understands
himself and his mission through
Elphaba. In the beginning, he's kind of a
rebel without a cause, which
I will talk about the other
archetype that I think he falls under,
but he is like rebellious, but not for
really in particular
reason that we know why. Like, oh, we got
kicked out of school. And
I'm like, yeah, sure. You
probably just left, you know, like, but
through Elphaba, he's like,
oh, I can see what's right
and what's wrong. She's his anchor. He
understands himself better
through how she sees him. Wow.
Like his self discovery journey is
through his relationship
with Elphaba in the film.
Classic men in general, am I right?
You're not wrong.
But especially that's fascinating. I'm so
on board for that. I would, I like, yeah,
that's a really good insight. That's
cool. And Libra's can
be indecisive. The word
of any sign anywhere, any treat ever. Is
indecision. Yes. Just like how I think
Aquarians are so hot. I cannot handle the
indecision aspect of a
Libra. Maybe I'm projecting,
maybe I have trouble with that. And maybe
I'm, I don't know. It's just
So Lynn's red flag. Lynn's red flag is
indecision. It's funny, my,
my brother's a double Libra.
Can you explain double? Oh, um, his son
and moon are in Libra.
Okay. But like, if you were like
triple, then you'd have your big three
sun, moon rising. It's just,
you know, we just say stuff.
You could say, you could say I'm a double
Leo because I'm a Leo sun
and rising. Or you could say
one who is the same, like a Libra sun and
moon is a double Libra.
You know, you can just,
we're just having fun. Yeah,
yeah. I'm learning the Leo.
Yeah, I guess I should have explained
that. Yeah. My brother's a Libra sun and
moon. So he embodies
a lot of the Libra-ness and Libra's have
like a natural charm. Like
you just can't really be mad.
At my brother. It's like extremely
frustrating. Like he'll do things that
I'm like, that was kind
of inconsiderate, but I can't be mad at
him. A youngest child.
Yeah. But there's that chart.
It's just like the, yeah, the charm. They
have a charm about them.
And ease about them. But it's
funny because my brother's girlfriend,
they've been together for
like seven years or something,
maybe it might be eight. But she's a
Taurus. And she's like, it's
so hard to get your brother to
make a decision. But like about small
things, they can be
indecisive. That's can be a trait
about them. And I think this does play
into fear, Fierro. Fierro does is
indecisive in the second
film. He's indecisive the whole time.
Does he want Glinda? Does he want
Elphaba? Does he want
a rebel? Does he want to follow suit?
He's all shifty all over
the place. Charming as hell,
but those hips don't lie. He's a Libra.
That ass. Well, it's funny because like,
he just so like, the second film, he's
just like going along
with it. But you know that
he's fighting it. You can see his jaw.
Libra with Yes, and I
like back to what you said of
Libra's really care about justice. So
he's like, he for sure is like, I feel
like the military is
like for him because he's just like,
okay, I'm gonna like fight back somehow.
Yeah. And he's like,
getting this like, you can tell that he's
like, really upset with
how people are talking about
Elphaba. Yeah. Like he he knows it's not
right. But he doesn't
know how to act quite yet. He
doesn't know exactly what to do other
than kind of follow along until the
choice presents itself to
him. He doesn't just run off right away
to go find her are they
aren't they Venus ruled? Yes.
So would you say like, because of the
Venus ruling and the
harmony, like there's such a huge
pull towards harmonious society that, of
course, he would go along with the
harmony because they're
all about like, harmony. Yeah, it's like
they they want the kind of
like that ease that piece that
yeah, that harmonious Venusian energy.
But, you know, the Libra Libra cares
about justice. So it's
in it's arcing him, it's getting to him.
You can see his TMJ acting up he is
Jonathan Bailey loves
the jaw acting. His jaw does so much work
in the second film. Watch
it again or watch Cliff. He's
like his masseter muscles popping out.
Not to see him. jaw
acting real hard. I can't even
hard. You need to copyright that phrase.
Jaw acting. Yeah. I didn't think that's
so perfectly said. You
heard it here for first folks.
You heard jaw acting. Same in Bridgerton
too. But maybe it's like a
man thing. I don't know. It's
like he's trying to he's like keeping it
together in a surface
level. But you can tell he's not
happy. He's struggling with this
decision. He does act on the decision
because it's what's right to do
and it's because he loves her. Like he
knows what's right through his love for
Elphaba. Whereas before
he was maybe a little more complacent.
But he does care about the
same things as her but it's more
because she cares about them. You know,
if that makes sense. But it
takes him a while to go with
her. A because he hasn't seen her in a
year. It just kind of feels
a little Libra to me. But he
does make the right choice in the end.
Another keyword for Libra
is they rebalance society.
Oh, wow. And I feel like he does do that.
I mean, he sacrifices
himself in the end for her
because it's what's right. And because he
loves her. It's like both
the justice and the love.
It's a win win. It's a win win except he
becomes a scarecrow. Does his penis work?
That is a loss. After that, we'll cut
this. But I'm like, yeah,
strong. That feels sturdy enough. Does it
hurt? Does straw
penetration hurt? We're gonna cut all
this. You can probably do more than what
he could before. Can
a straw man impregnate
a regular woman? These are the questions
I have. That's a no. While
we're on the subject of Fierro,
I'm going to bring up the other archetype
that I was kind of trying to
figure out which one I felt
more strongly. I also feel like Aquarius
and Libra go really well
together. So I want to say that.
They're good. That's a trine. They have
the same element. Same element.
But Fierro, I can see Sagittarius. Okay,
tell us why. He's always on a horse.
That's not the whole reason. He's on a
horse. He's a Sagittarius.
Horse Sagittarius. No, there's more.
It's more the beginning of the film.
Maybe he's like Sagarizing
or something like Sagittarius
represented by the centaur. Centaur
centaur. And they're ruled
by Jupiter. So there's very
much that expansive energy to them.
They're in a quest for the
truth. They're like the teacher,
camp counselor, but also kind of like
priest archetype. Also
like the clown kind of falls
in there too. But some keywords for
Sagittarius are like
optimism, freedom, truth. They can be
carefree and have a continuous search for
meaning in life. And in the
beginning of the film with
Dancing Through Life, it's just so like
he doesn't take life
seriously. I'm just here to have fun.
I just want adventure. I've gone to so
many different schools.
I'm on my horse. I'm going
from place to place. I don't want to
settle down. He's
searching for something that he
doesn't really know what it is. It can be
kind of maybe like a
chronic wandering vibe. Also,
I feel like Sagittarius can be quite
rebellious. So I feel like
that kind of rebellious, but he
doesn't really know why. Totally trouble
with that a cause. And then the line of
like nothing matters.
It's just life. Just keep dancing
through. I'm like, why does
that feel so like Sagittarius,
like Jupiterian? Like we're just having
fun. And also what I
thought was funny. This might come
across as mean, but there's an
astrological reason. Mercury, which is
like the plan of like
communication, the mind, the intellect is
at home in Gemini and it's
in detriment and Sagittarius,
because that's the opposite. And he's
made fun of for being brainless.
We forgot about the scarecrow moment.
The whole time the film, life's less
painless for the brainless. Like they
really, really try to
dig it in there that he's like, yeah,
he's jawful that he's
brainless, but he's not dumb. And we
know that. Yeah. Like it's just funny.
Like that they obviously it's
because of the Wizard of Oz,
the whole family had a brain stuff.
That's why they're like
drilling it in so hard.
But I just thought it was kind of
Sagittarius versus Gemini
of like Gemini is the brain.
Gemini. Yeah. It's more like Mercury.
Gemini is ruled by
Mercury. So it's like information
intellect and he's like throwing books
around. He's like, why are we reading
trouble with schools
is they always try to teach the wrong
lesson. That sounds like
Sagittarius to me of like,
Hey, maybe you should learn through
experience or maybe you should learn
through going on a trip.
Like, why are you reading a book when you
can go out and experience?
For sure. A sad rising for sure. Libra.
Yeah. So I thought that was
kind of fun. And to clarify,
it's just the fact that Mercury can't do
what it wants to do in the
way it wants to do it when
it's in Sagittarius. It's like, I don't
need this book to learn. I'm
going to get on my freaking
horse, like you said, and I'm going to
see the world and that's how
I'm going to learn. Booyah.
No, cut that out. Sagittarius is very
wise too from again, it's
different way, right? Yeah.
It's like, no, but just like Jupiter is
more like wisdom versus like
knowledge. And in as long as
your mind is like, maybe I'm brainless.
Maybe I'm wise, but you've
got me seeing three different
eyes. Love you. But yeah, he has a wisdom
about him. It's mostly like
the first, the beginning of
the film that I see that kind of like,
yeah, a bit more of that Sag energy. And
isn't it interesting
just to come back to our polar opposites
that you said he's brainless,
but he's actually smart. And
it's like every, so if we look at all
three of the scarecrow, the
tin man, the lion, it's ironic,
but it's like the scarecrow doesn't have
a brain, but the theme of
intelligence is there. Like the
tin man doesn't have a heart, but it's
because he had such a heart
that like his heart had to get
broken and then removed because the heart
was like so powerfully
speaking. Like the heart was
powerfully speaking that they had to
remove the heart. The brain, the
scarecrow was so smart
because he saw the system was flawed that
they had to remove his
brain. The lion, well, they did
not do the best job. I already knew what
the line was so brave, but I
don't know. The lion lost the
plot, to be honest, in this version of
it. There was a storyline that could have
gotten there really,
but like the concept is like in the
opposites both remain true or
like, am I making sense? Yes,
you are making sense. Like, absolutely.
We talked in the beginning,
it's like the theme is there
and you have both the extremes in the
theme. Yes, extremes. That's definitely a
thing with opposites.
The opposition is like the extremes of
each end of the spectrum.
That's such a good point. He had
such a big heart and so it got taken up.
Like, yeah, I thought you
said that beautifully. I also
want to mention casually that I feel like
fear is a water Venus.
Venus is like how we like relate
to the hero more than your mouth. You're
telling me Aquarians are
hot, la, la, la. And we have a
full chart for Fiyero at this point. You
saw right through me. Glinda
gets one archetype. Elphaba
gets two, Fiyero gets three. Yeah, we have
like his human design too.
I just wanted to say that he
yearns for a full year over a girl. I'm
like, come on, water Venus, you know,
water signs can yearn.
God, I love a yearn. Glinda's like, he's
distant and moodified. I'm like, cancer.
Dancers be moodified. I think it's like,
and the water Venus, would
you say he has a water Mars? No,
no, no, because he takes action. No, you
couldn't. I thought about
Scorpio Mars too. But again,
this is me creating a chart for a
fictional character. Let's
go. Because I think he's hot.
We have free will. Because we have free
will and we'll be part
of a hot man any day.
Thank God we have free will. Or else we
wouldn't have this podcast.
I do have an important thing
I wanted to say about Elphaba.
Because I care about that. Because that's
what started this whole
thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So okay, the last archetype that I want
to talk about is
Elphaba and Aries. Aries,
first sign in the zodiac, symbol the ram,
some keywords, war, conflict, impulse,
motivation, drive, independence, fire,
action. Yeah, dude, she acts on impulse.
Like her. That's what like, Glinda is
telling her like,
you're flying off the handle.
That song like, for sure, for sure. And
that's the give and take
that they both don't have in
the beginning. Because she is not giving
and taking like she's that yeah.
Yeah. And like, that's where her magic
comes from. Like she says when she was
explaining her powers
to Madame Morrible in the beginning in
the first film, she's
like something takes over me.
Yeah, I can't control it. And some bad
things always happen. And
I'm like, that feels like that
Aries kind of like impulse of like, I'm
just gonna, I just have to do this.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because she
really like she steps into her
independence real hard.
Yes, she has that logical part of her
brain is like, I need to do
this because this is what's
right. But then she's like so fired up in
at the end of the first
film with Defying Gravity.
And she's like, fuck this. Like, I'm
gonna go I don't care
what the consequences are.
She keeps saying like, and if I'm flying
solo, I'm at least I'm flying
free. No one's ever going to
bring me down like Aries is very much
about also about the self
about like, this is who I am.
Yeah, the sun is exalted in Aries. So the
sun like rejoices in Aries.
So sometimes you get a little
bit too much of the that kind of self
very headstrong kind of
fiery energy. And I just feel
like she has that like Aries impulse. For
sure. Like she does act
without thinking sometimes
because she gets so angry about things.
And I feel like that
differs from Fiyero, who if we're
gonna say he's a Libra, Libra and Aries
are opposites. He's
like, Oh, let me think about
smooth it over. Let me find the right
time. Choose. Yes, smooth
before choose. And he's just
kind of like waiting around for the right
moment. And she's like, No,
I have to do something right
now. Right? Like, yeah, it's just too far
gone. I gotta do something
right now. You can really see
that independence like she lives along
like the whole in the
forest, the whole second film.
It can be both we think it's a combo. And
if so, how would you come in it?
Combinating, you know, they like say,
Mutified, and they make
all their funny words.
How would you come beneath
me? I'm a need if I thought,
I don't know, I hadn't really thought too
much about like the placement of like,
Oh, moon versus sun. We can think about
that. I could see that
Aries moon, the moon represents
our body and like, a lot of times Yeah,
are like reactions are like life, how
we're living our day
to day life. Her anger, her like action
drive, it does like, you
know, move that aquarium ideal,
it pushes it forward. Yeah, because she
has those like
instincts. And I think that's like
a powerful thing of being able to act on
impulse or act on desires
as they come up, instead of
like overthinking. So I think that does
really push her towards
that wicked witch of the West
ending. There's that quote in the second
film with the moment
where she after the wedding,
when she releases that about to release
the animals, and she's
a very bad man. And this
powerful moment that I was like, this is
so Aries. She's like, you
once asked me what my heart's
desire was. And I know now what that is.
And that is to fight
you until the day I die.
Run. I was like, Aries, they be fighting.
Aries. Yeah. I think
you nailed it. Thank you.
Thank you. That's all she wrote me.
That's all I have. I
want to hear your arguments,
like people watching. Like, you know,
this is what I'm seeing
like that power of opposites.
Everyone sees that just literally and how
they present the film
and the play. Every single
direction. Every single direction.
Visually with sound with music, the
lyrics, the written scripts,
the actions, the loathing, unadulterated
loathing. The harmonies,
the harmonies in itself,
in the songs, the opposites in the
literal harmonies in the
music notes of their characters.
Brilliant. I'm curious. Maybe some people
will see this as totally
different archetypes. So
it's not to say they're, I know I'm
mostly focused on air and fire. You know,
there's nuance to life,
but these are the things that I felt the
strongest when I was watching Wicked. And
yeah, it's like, what do you do with
opposites? You come together, you
compromise, you try to find
like, yeah. And like with opposites in
your chart, maybe you're born in a full
moon and your son is
in aquarising your moons in Leo. How do
you acknowledge those
two parts of yourself? How
do you not shut something out? And how do
you give space to both of
those sides? I think with
opposites, it's like, we need both. Just
how do we get them to talk to
each other and to, how do we
take both things? And sadly in Wicked, we
were like, okay, we
have to say bye to Elphaba,
but her ideals make it through. She wins
not without loss, but she
wins in the end. Her things
do come true, but as a result, she's
exiled forever. But she's
probably happy in some way
because she's got her man. I just think,
yeah. And there's no, I
think that's like, that's such a
harsh truth of the movie is the last
scene before the water scene before she
gets. Oh yeah. Yeah.
And Elphaba and Glinda are singing and
talking in the castle. And
that's where she says, I need to
be wicked for you to be good. Going back
to the burden of truth.
Part of also her own truth that
she didn't want to see in the beginning
was when she was like
fighting the good fight and fighting
for her home was that the reality was
that there was nothing
left for her there anymore,
which is what the animals were
ironically, like trying to tell her and
love that the animals got
welcomed back into Oz and they are
rebuilding, but it was kind of like how
everything was set up.
Like there was nothing left for her. Like
it was just torture for her
to continue to, to be there.
Like she had to free herself out of that
society at that time. Who's
to say 30 years they rebuild
Glinda's the queen. It's a great society.
She can be welcomed back
home, but like the sad reality
was that there's nothing left. I guess
like in one sentence there
was additional loss because the
fight that she was fighting, she knew she
had to remove herself from
because she could not sustain
or survive in that environment. And she
was happier on the other
side, but she had to go
through to the other side to reach that
happiness. And that was like another
lesson that she had to
experience. Yeah. And maybe she finds
belonging, not only just with her
partnership, she finds that
love and belonging there. Maybe she's
like, I don't need acceptance from the
outside, but maybe in her
new life away from Oz, she does find, you
know, we don't know, we can
only imagine, but you know,
she maybe does find more of an acceptance
and doesn't have to be
on the margins of society.
Like she is on the run, on the run, on
the run. But yeah, tell us what you
think. Yeah. If you're
like, no way, she's a Taurus, you know, I
want to hear it. Bring it
on. Give me your thoughts. I'm
curious what the people have to say.
Right. Let us know. But
yeah, this was fun. Thank you for
joining me in letting me talk about this
thing that's been in my
head for a while. And I love
talking about astrology and characters.
Yes. And I'll talk about
them with you. Literally. It's
so fun for me. Who can say if we've been
changed for the better, but
because I knew you, I'm not a
good singer. I have been changed for
good. Change opposites. They change each
other by acknowledging
each other. What's that? Okay. Well,
thank you for joining us and we'll see
you next time. Bye. Bye.