The Studio Demands It!

S7 EP3 | With numerous plot threads and characters left along the way through the MCU, the studio demands that the guys tie up as many as possible in a single film. 

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Creators and Guests

Host
Jim Burzelic
Host
T.C. De Witt

What is The Studio Demands It!?

Two screenwriters attempt to recreate, reimagine, or flat out fix, existing film franchises when 'the studio' demands...MORE FILMS! It's an exercise in creative thinking where they will challenge themselves to conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film based on the stipulations of a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. | Sixfive Media

T.C.:

Hello, and welcome to the Studio Demands It In

Jim:

exercise in No.

T.C.:

Because I rewrote the intro, so it's no longer an exercise. Oh. Hello, and welcome to The Studio Demands It, a screenwriting series where we will conceptualize, pitch, and craft a film or show based on the demands from one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overlord. Hypothetical. Oh.

T.C.:

As professional screenwriters ourselves and massive cinephiles Massive. We talk movies all the time. Movies. And we'd like to believe that we could meet any demand thrown at us. Meet it.

T.C.:

We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am T. C. De Witt, and joining me as always is Jim story time Burzelic. Oh, story time.

T.C.:

Story time, Jim. I saw a thing recently about a story time and how it contextualized and bookended an entire thing that people want to get so up their butt about that I'm like, hold on a minute. The movie told you this. You're all wrong. Any complaint anyone has about Thor four, the fourth Thor, Love and Thornder, it's bookended by Korg telling the story to a group of kids.

T.C.:

All the nonsense in in Love and Thunder is filtered through Korg telling the story.

Jim:

I forgot that it's basically a Mad Max. He's telling them that

T.C.:

I I didn't have any memory of this, and it was brought to my attention. And I was like,

Jim:

holy shit. Yeah. I I I I yeah. I remember the end of him telling

T.C.:

the story. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's the beginning and the end. Like, even went and checked.

T.C.:

The very first thing that happens is Gore, the the God Butcher Mhmm. He his daughter dies in the desert. Mhmm. He comes upon the oasis, he kills the god and gets the sword Yep. And says, I'll kill all the gods.

T.C.:

Then we get the Marvel logo, and it comes up to a campfire, and Korg says, let me tell you the story of the space viking. And That's right. Yeah. And he then proceeds to tell the story of Love and Thunder. So all that goofiness, there's a plot reason right there for us to see at the beginning and end explaining the voice.

T.C.:

Voiced

Jim:

by the writer director.

T.C.:

Yeah. And how did I don't know. Maybe maybe that was super obvious to other people.

Jim:

No. I don't think it was. Yeah. I actually think it is irrelevant to other people. Yeah.

Jim:

Couching a story as a narrative unless you have a narrator Mhmm. Throughout. We as an audience in movies are meant to forget. It's a story being told. Yes.

Jim:

And doubly, we are meant to presume the things that we see happen

T.C.:

Are happening.

Jim:

Are factual. They are they are not colored by the narrator. A an unreliable silly narrator like Korg. Yeah. So unless the movie draws attention to it Mhmm.

Jim:

Like, I should bring up a movie first, but I'm not going to. Like, the Stanley parable.

T.C.:

A game. Yes.

Jim:

Or, like, princess bride goes back to Peter Falk often enough Yes. Yeah. That it says, everything you've been watching is an old man telling his grandson this story.

T.C.:

So if Cor could come back a little more frequently, people might have been a little more forgiving of

Jim:

Or like like weird fun inserts of like a little kid going, wait, what? Yeah. And like cut to Cor go, Trust me. That's how it happened. Yeah.

Jim:

Stuff stuff like that. I don't know that people would have liked the movie anymore. Mhmm. They may have just been like, why tell the story that way? I don't want a goofy story told by a goofy rock man.

Jim:

I want the actual story.

T.C.:

Hey. Did you have any other anecdotes about story time?

Jim:

Nope. All done. Okay. Good. Episode over.

T.C.:

Episode well, no. Mean, episode's just starting here. We can get to the demand. Oh. You wanna do that?

T.C.:

Because it's it's Thor related. Oh.

Jim:

No. Oh, okay.

T.C.:

Yeah. That's why I brought it up. Sure. Okay. Jim, our amazing listeners have given us demands from studios literally all over the world.

T.C.:

And you listening right now, you can send us any demand you'd like, and we will have to meet them right here on the spot, maybe even exceed them. When we reach the end of the episode, if we've done our jobs rights, we will have a full script and story that meets those demands. And when the end of the season comes, your demand could have been the one we I lost my spot.

Jim:

Oh, no.

T.C.:

I've read this a 140 times now. You might have helped us craft the script that will be greenlit greenlit by the fans. Greenlit. Greenlit by the fans. You're gonna greenlit greenlit by the fans for our finale.

T.C.:

So thank you for those who submitted. Please keep them coming. Seeing that video got me thinking about Thor. And I know we got Doomsday coming up, and so I just I was like, I'm gonna see if we have a Thor demand.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

And so for those who don't know, the process here is we have hundreds of demands from from listeners, and I usually can narrow them down to keywords. I'll do a keyword search. I'll snag the first one, like the one that jumps out at me, and here we go. This comes from Freddie T. From On the Edge Studios.

T.C.:

Here we go. The MCU has gone far and wide in its exploration of characters and plots and ideas. Nick Fury arrived in Tony Stark's penthouse and promised to the Avengers. And by Odin, did we get the Avengers. Thanos told us at the end of Age of Ultron that he would do it himself, and he sure did.

T.C.:

But not every not every promise has been fulfilled. In fact, there are several I don't think this is what I thought it was gonna be. There are several concepts that have been wholly dropped and abandoned due to poor box office or audience interest. But that, my studio says, is stupid. Oh god.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Are we gonna do Black Panther again?

T.C.:

Not Black Panther, Blade? We do Blade again. No. No. Because oh, no.

T.C.:

I see what he's saying here. Stories and concepts in film, in the films themselves that have been dropped and abandoned, not abandoned projects. Oh. I think that's what you're saying, Freddie. Oh, like threads.

T.C.:

Like like movie threads. Okay. I I assumed Hercules was what we were gonna do with her, which is what I was looking for. But that's what I get for trying to plan ahead. Sorry, Freddie.

T.C.:

I've I've provided a link Oh. To a list of unresolved MCU story threads. My studio demands that YouTube pitch and craft a film or series, preferably a film we want money, not subscribers. Well done, Freddie. That resolves as many of these ideas as possible.

T.C.:

It must fit into the current pre doomsday canon and not a what if multiverse thing. You don't have to resolve all of these, but it would be impressive if you did. Good luck, gents, and may the All Father bless you. Okay. I I was just looking for a Thor demand.

T.C.:

Sure. Because I just assumed Yeah. Thor four or Thor five could be a thing, and Hercules was left on the table. But holy cow. Okay.

T.C.:

The unresolved threads let me click this link here. Unresolved My my

Jim:

mind is blanking. I'm I'm super super excited to find out what these are.

T.C.:

Okay. There's a whole page here, so I'm gonna rattle these off. Yeah. Okay. Here we go.

T.C.:

Unresolved threads in the MCU. We'll see how current this is. He said pre Doomsday, so well, I don't know when this demand came in. So if it's newer, we might be okay. He might have things on here that have been resolved.

Jim:

Wait. Wait. Pre Doomsday or pre Endgame? Pre Doomsday timeline. Okay.

T.C.:

So that suggests post Endgame, but here we go. Spider Man Homecoming. Adrian Toomes, aka the Vulture, meets Max Gorgon Mac Gorgon the Scorpion in prison. Aaron Davis, aka the prowler, is in Spider Man Homecoming. That's Don Glover's character.

T.C.:

Yep. Shang Chi. Zhu Xialeng is the leader of the 10 rings at the end. Shang Chi's rings have an ancient energy. Spider Man Homecoming again.

T.C.:

I don't remember this. Ultron heads and body parts are in the storage he gets trapped in. Yeah. I I don't remember that. Eternals.

T.C.:

The celestial judge took the Eternals away. Star Fox, brother of Thanos was introduced. Dane Wittman gets the Ebony Blade and hears Blade's voice. Doctor Strange two, Clea pulls Strange and his third eye into the dark dimension. Moon Knight's third personality was revealed.

T.C.:

Thor four, the fourth Thor. Aw. Thanks, Freddie.

Jim:

Lorven Lorven Thornder? Lorven Thornder.

T.C.:

Jane Foster is in Valhalla with Hem Heimdall. That feels complete to me. Is that suggesting we'd see that?

Jim:

That's the that's the totality of that thread?

T.C.:

That seems like a whatever. I'm splitting hairs here. Thor has a little daughter now. Lady Sith is alive. That's from Ragnarok.

T.C.:

She's been she didn't get killed in Ragnarok, so she's still around. Zeus and Hercules are mad at Thor. That's what we were looking for here. Black Panther has a son who is also T'Challa. In Ant Man, Quantumania, the whole mess of Kangs.

T.C.:

I mean, well, we know why that thread was dropped. Right? Yep. In Marvels, Monica Rambo meets Beast from a different universe. Kamala Khan recruits Kate Bishop and Pizza Dog.

T.C.:

That's right. That's in the post credits. Oh, yeah. She has the tablet from Nick Fury that he dropped in in her house. Sharon Carter is the power broker.

T.C.:

That's from Mhmm. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Yep. The Venom goop at the end of No Way Home that's left on the bar. Yeah.

T.C.:

They resolved that in Venom's But

Jim:

they didn't resolve the the bit in the MCU.

T.C.:

Yeah. We did have a conversation.

Jim:

We had a conversation

T.C.:

about it. Did a mini demand for Venom in the MCU Yeah. Which was that the goop found Eddie Brock. Mhmm. We can okay.

T.C.:

How long was Rhodey a Skrull? She Hulk introduced, Scar is introduced. That's Hulk like

Jim:

Yep.

T.C.:

Yep. Guardians of the Galaxy volume three, the promise of Peter Quill's return. In Captain America four, what did the leader see? Did the leader have a vision? What did he see?

T.C.:

He probably had a vision. Probably, he's the the leader. Yeah. And who is collecting adamantium? Billy going to find Tommy.

T.C.:

Oh, Billy going to find Tommy at the end of Agatha all along. Agatha is a ghost. Oh, here's one. Mordo is hunting sorcerers. That's from the first Doctor Strange.

Jim:

Benjamin Bratt. We coulda had a cool sorcerer with Brent Benjamin Bratt, but he got Well, it's movies. We can bring him back.

T.C.:

And and Mordo sucked all the his his sorcery out him.

Jim:

Yeah. Took took all his took all his magic juice.

T.C.:

There's a couple more here. Mitchell Carson stole cross particles in Ant Man? Who the hell is Mitchell Carlson? Car Mitchell Carson stole cross part crosses yellow jacket. Carson?

T.C.:

Well I don't I don't remember. I remember well enough. Captain America's Civil War. Crossbones is stealing a bioweapon for an unnamed buyer. Ant Man and the Wasp, Sunny Birch, is selling to a mysterious buyer.

T.C.:

Did Steve Rogers have an interaction with Red Skull on Volmyr? Where are all the former Black Widows from the Red Room? Namor's plans. He's a mutant. Gia from Secret Invasion has, like, all the powers.

Jim:

No. There's that one. They they put in there, oh, it's it's fading. Okay. I if I if I remember right

T.C.:

I think I pitched that. I think you

Jim:

pitched that.

T.C.:

Oh, okay. And then last but not least, Leonard Sampson was introduced in the Incredible Hulk. We were watching the Incredible Hulk a few weeks ago, and I pointed out, like, oh, Doc Sampson was thinking. Mhmm. Okay.

T.C.:

The the unresolved threads of the MCU. Whoo. There there are some in here that I don't quite agree are left hanging. I'm gonna Google who this Carson Mitchell is. Mitchell Carson.

T.C.:

Mitchell Carson is. But

Jim:

Right. Like, Heimdall and Jane in Valhalla That feels complete. We saw that to know that they they're getting they they've died. Yeah. But in dying, there is a happy ending.

Jim:

That's what we that's what we are to get with that.

T.C.:

That's that's how I'm to understand as well. So, like, I'm not I don't think we need to figure out how to bring back Heimdall and Jane.

Jim:

No. I'm I'm not gonna depending on what we do today Yeah. I won't say it's out of the question.

T.C.:

Bringing oh, bringing back Heimdall and Jane. Okay. Now the something I'm gonna ask here challenge you. If we're gonna grab some of these if as many of these threads as we can to to Mhmm. Write something that fits in canon.

T.C.:

Yeah. It sort of fits with our, like, Thunderbolts miniseries we did, the three part mint. Do we want to grab and use big characters, or do we wanna limit ourselves to just these threads? So for example, Doctor Strange's third eye in the dark dimension. Doctor Strange is a huge character.

T.C.:

He's Sure. He's a main character. He's got that main character energy. Mhmm. So if we choose to go down that path of featuring him, then he's gonna be pretty heavily featured, possibly.

T.C.:

Otherwise, if we look at

Jim:

something Oh, like you're you're saying let's be budget concert concert?

T.C.:

No. No. I who's our main character? Is what I is what is what we're gonna who our main characters are Mhmm. Is going to be the question here.

Jim:

So the first place I went Okay. There was I went to the comic There was a night

T.C.:

of comic books. Of gathering together as Nick Fury quote.

Jim:

Yeah. No. As I was letting you do it.

T.C.:

You go to the comic books.

Jim:

Way back in the early two thousands, there was the civil war event. And the way I read it was my friend would buy it each each week, and then he would present them to me. He said, here, read them in this order. Mhmm. So I got to read civil war threaded with I forget what it was called.

Jim:

It was something like civil war conspiracy or something like that.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

And it followed two journalists.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah. Okay. Yeah. This sounds familiar.

Jim:

And threaded through all of the civil war stories, and it was very much a, like, a follow the money kind of kind of thing, and it explained a a lot of what was sort of going on in the background. Frontline. Frontline is what

T.C.:

yes. There you go. Ben Ben Urich and Sally Floyd. I

Jim:

actually am getting it mixed up with another older Marvel comic that I thought was that I also thought was genius. I so I I think I'm I'm conflating those two a little. Maybe that's okay.

T.C.:

But go ahead. But I like the lens you're creating here.

Jim:

I'm suggesting we follow a new character.

T.C.:

Okay. An insignificant, quote, unquote,

Jim:

character. Okay. Some some sort of investigator. I was going to say I was going to lament. I don't know of a Marvel character that's the equivalent of the question.

Jim:

Right? DC has the DC has a bunch of investigators Sure. Sure. Characters. I don't know.

Jim:

I can't think of any Marvel characters off the top of my head It's that would fit that bill.

T.C.:

Yeah. It's too bad Ben Yurich is dead. Yeah. And we have BB.

Jim:

Ghost of Ben Yurich.

T.C.:

Ghost of Ben Yurich. What about I mean Oh, well.

Jim:

He's gonna need whoever it's this is whoever we use is going to need supernatural powers

T.C.:

Okay. To to We do have someone who is an investigator that does acquire superpowers, and we have an untouched thread here that we've already played with, Eddie Brock. Interesting. Eddie Brock is a photojournalist investigator, a rival to Peter Parker by all accounts in the comics and the cartoons and what have you. We do have the goop.

T.C.:

Now we have previously, in our Amazing Spider Man three episode, we focused on the Andrew Garfield Amazing Spider Man universe. But at the end of that episode, we did a quick version of which actually resolved another one of these threads. We brought Kingo and Sprite, teamed them up with Tom Holland, Peter Parker, and dealt with an Eddie Brock villain Venom. Yeah. Now I don't wanna say we need to go back to that well.

T.C.:

Sure. But but to to your point of an in, quote, unquote, insignificant character who is basically bearing witness to these areas and corners of the MCU, Eddie Brock is there and available to us. Sure. We also could go to other Daily Bugle characters like Robbie Robertson,

Jim:

who I don't think Uwatu doesn't have, like, a put upon assistant, does he?

T.C.:

Well, actually, in Alex Ross's Earth x series, Uatu does bring on assistant in Machine Man x 51, who is a silver age Marvel character that has barely ever been used since. He's from, like, the original Human Torch era. And he Uatto brings him to the moon and says, tell me what you see. I am blind. And x fifty one becomes the new eyes of Uatu to to bear witness to the end of the world.

T.C.:

Now that would be a fun character to for us to pull out and be like, we're gonna make x fifty one a main character

Jim:

And and it sort of fits our purpose. Like, Uatu was great for what if. Mhmm. Right? Because he sees all possibilities.

Jim:

Yes. And I realized in that story, that is what you're saying machine man was meant to do?

T.C.:

He he's just he can't see the multiverse. He can only see the earth in front of him.

Jim:

And so that's perfect, because that is what we want him to do. We don't want him to see possibility, we want him to see what is. What is. Yeah. Yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. So rather than what if, what is.

T.C.:

So let's let's let's actually, we've we've created a little rabbit trail for us to go down here. If we take a character who is more or less insignificant and is going to bear witness to the universe, If you wanna go with this Earth x notion of literally Uatu is pulling this character who is connected to humanity without being human, who can witness without emotion Mhmm. And making that a protagonist of a movie,

Jim:

I don't know. By by protagonist, I'd like, the the direction I'm going, because I don't know how we're gonna pull many of these together, What do you think of doing an anthology? Well, you do know

T.C.:

I love me so many anthology.

Jim:

And they don't get to the theater very often anymore.

T.C.:

No. They do not. No. They do not.

Jim:

The studio would prefer us to make a movie.

T.C.:

Right. But truth be told, the Thunderbolts trilogy anthology that we made is one of the most exciting things that we did last season that I was like, oh, get to the finale, baby.

Jim:

It was, but we did also intend that for streaming.

T.C.:

True. True. We created it like a what if. Yeah. And our studio

Jim:

We made it as a what what is it? A Marvel Marvel special?

T.C.:

Yes. Yes. Correct. Okay. So I looked up Mitchell Carson here, and he was a he was in the first Ant Man.

T.C.:

He's a dude in a suit that Alc that A dude in a suit? That Cross talks to about selling the particles. He says, I'm selling I've got bids from everyone including Hydra. They're not the same anymore. And this guy, when all shit goes south, he runs in, he grabs some of the the yellow jacket particles, and then he leaves.

T.C.:

And we never see him So yellow jacket particles were dipped off by this guy.

Jim:

Well, it it really all that does.

T.C.:

Okay, so We have someone out there with particles.

Jim:

It doesn't even have to be him. He could've he likely would have sold them again. To The whole point Yeah. The whole point to putting that in that movie is PIM particles are out in the world, or cross particles cause they're different.

T.C.:

Right? Yeah. They're cross particles. Yeah.

Jim:

Cross particles are out

T.C.:

in the world. Yeah. There there's some okay. There's some there's some overlap here stuff, like, if the cross particles are out there and sold to an anonymous buyer, the power broker as a character, Sharon Carter. Right?

T.C.:

Tell tell me what you know about the power broker. Well, from what we've seen in the MCU, the power broker is is like a underboss linking criminal organizations together and moving products and materials underneath, like, non superhero related items to fight in a world full of superheroes. So Sharon is the broker who is like, she tried to get ahold of the super serum before John Walker could get ahold of it. She was moving weapons. She Baron Zemo clocked her as like, oh, you're a bad guy.

Jim:

I feel like so for a number of these threads, there's a whole story just unto that.

T.C.:

Bet. Power Broker. Sonny Right. So Sonny Birch is on this list as someone who was selling to for a mysterious buyer in Ant Man and the Wasp. That's the Walt Goggins character.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Okay. So it brings it together. I'm a throw out this idea. Mhmm. Sharon Carter is is our main character.

Jim:

She is the power broker. The power broker is not a bad guy. Well, is a bad guy, but

T.C.:

is not a bad guy. Neutral. I whoever pays.

Jim:

Sort of. That that's that's her MO. Because what she is doing is she is actually trying to protect the world in her way. Shield is gone. Mhmm.

Jim:

It hasn't come back. In fact, the last time we saw it, it got even worse.

T.C.:

The closest we have in the MCU is is damage control, which is Right.

Jim:

Which isn't great. It it it's been it's been presented in two negative lights. Right. Right. And damage control also isn't global.

Jim:

Right. Shield was global. Mhmm. So Sharon Carter has taken it upon herself to rebuild with what she can, how she can Oh, she independent shield.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Okay. Entirely secret.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Right? And so she poses as a villain, and she she, yes, takes compromising steps, sells weapons to maybe the wrong people, but ideally is doing them to pit them against people that can either stop them or to villains across purposes.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Ultimately, for her to lay a network so that she can respond to things the way Shield did. And she could recruit Red Room agents because there's a whole bunch She could be recruiting all kinds. Right? She right? She buys the cross particles.

Jim:

She buys the bioweapons. She's the power broker. So she's she starts moving all these things around. She right? Because it it it essentially take the philosophy of why Iron Man was pro Oh.

Jim:

Accords.

T.C.:

Yes. Yes. And we have an antagonist or a rival in this, the ten rings, which is being run by Shin Chi's sister. Or at least

Jim:

at least an antagonist for this movie. Right? They're a client Yeah. And they don't like being handled.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Like, we that's not how this works. We are only dealing with you because we have to. It sort of puts if if we wanted to

Jim:

What if Destro fought Cobra Commander? Oh.

T.C.:

Having Sharon as a central figure in this, it puts her in a place like a Nick Fury esque, but also like a claw, like Odysseus Claw. Yeah. Someone who's who's existing in the shadows and the fringes. She's not a superpowered individual. She's trained by S.

Jim:

D. Mhmm.

T.C.:

So she she's not incompetent. She knows how to hold her own, but she's not superpowered.

Jim:

Mhmm. That's interesting. And we get to see the the the story of this this character who who is doing a thankless job. Yeah. Like, literally, everyone she knew would think she's gone bad.

Jim:

Yeah. Because that's the reputation she's put forward, which she has to do to make these deals to, a, get illicit things Yeah. Off the table I get it. When they need to be removed. And she's also seen empowering people.

Jim:

It's like, why did you give those bad guys those weapons? Because those weapons don't mean anything anymore Yeah. With the state of the world. Or I knew that they were gonna go over and attack the Atlanteans, the Atlanteans were going to crush them.

T.C.:

Yeah. Well, I was trying to control like, I'm playing chess here. Yeah. And it puts her in a weird in a in a interesting middle spot. She's not dealing with the universal threats of, like, the big things.

T.C.:

Right? Sure. But she's not dealing with street level like Daredevil and the Marvel Knights. She's in this in between international level. That's more like Falcon and Winter Soldier did.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Where we're we're globetrotting. It touches on all on all of

T.C.:

those levels. Nearly all these. Well, but I'm

Jim:

saying it touches on it it it it it can touch. Her job would touch on street level stuff, la homecoming. Right? Those were street level dudes who were getting really powerful things that she would be interested in getting out of their hands. Yeah.

Jim:

And galaxy scale artifacts are going to get into illicit traffic.

T.C.:

There's a freaking adamantium monster in the ocean.

Jim:

Right?

T.C.:

Yeah. You better believe people are collecting that. Mhmm. And there is an organization within this. We have if the ten rings are a competing organization, a rival of sorts, we also have enough characters to make a Young Avengers.

T.C.:

Also, it's funny because all the actors who they've cast to play Young Avengers are now older than Scarlett Johansson, Chris Evans, and Chris Hemsworth were in the first Avengers movie. But that being said, Kamala's out there. Kate Bishop's out there. Mhmm. We have

Jim:

And and we gotta use them before we can.

T.C.:

So they if she's negotiating her way through her world

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

And coming across these antagonists. You had mentioned anthology. I'm actually haven't I didn't latch on

Jim:

to Once I latched on to Sharon, I I whatever story she has here is big enough to be its own story. Mhmm. I just don't know how many of these threads we can plug into that. Yeah. The anthology was before that and

T.C.:

Okay. If Leader saw something and that information could go to Sharon and she sees the information, she's like kinda like Tony got a vision of the universe and the threat coming after Avengers, and he's like, we need to put a shield around the world. We need armor around this world. We need you to defend ourselves. We have no idea what's coming, and it's bigger than anything we can imagine.

T.C.:

A similar sort of idea of sharing, like, I'm moving pieces across this board to try to protect this planet from itself, And now I know that there's something another cosmic thing coming here. We got a freaking celestial come our Earth is an egg. I'd I'd of this list, the biggest threats we have are celestials. We do not have any we're not gonna beat up a celestial.

Jim:

Maybe. I I I'm I'm having an idea.

T.C.:

Okay. Or I think Hercules is probably a big threat. Clea in the dark dimension's a big threat. Like, the biggest threat I can see in these threads

Jim:

Ah, the the the dark dimension stuff doesn't really cross. Like, it it's galactic level. Yeah. Like, like, it's but it's not kinda say the same sphere.

T.C.:

Yeah. The the Mordu and Mordu and sorcerer hunting's pretty big. And then there's the

Jim:

whole Kangs. Like, we we could The sorcerer hunting, I think, is the is a level that Sharon could get involved with. Here's my idea. Okay. We start, actually, with Eddie Brock.

Jim:

You wanna start at street level?

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Okay. We do Eddie Brock. It would be ideal to get

T.C.:

Tom Hardy.

Jim:

Tom Hardy Mhmm. To do it. I don't know if it if that would work or if that would I mean, so I think Sony would love that. Mhmm. But it wouldn't be the same Eddie Brock, so I don't know if we should do it that way.

Jim:

Yeah. It's MCU I'm trying to say.

T.C.:

MCU Eddie Brock, not Sony verse Sony verse multi universal Yeah. Cinematic Marvel characters.

Jim:

It's it's wasn't it like the the the Marvel Cinematic Universe of Sony characters?

T.C.:

Wasn't it Spider like Man universe of Marvel Spunk.

Jim:

Marvel Spunk. That's right. Spider Man Universe of Marvel characters.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we start with Eddie We start

Jim:

with Brock, and he he's investigating. Yeah. I don't know what the threat is going to be, but it's something, and he starts pulling at it. Mhmm. He and and it's something that connects to the vulture and and Scorpion.

T.C.:

Scorpion. Yeah.

Jim:

Like like, something there something from the prison, some or someone gets out, goes down some path, and Eddie follows, and it connects to something bigger. Like, maybe, actually, it's Scorpion who oh, could we do it? Could we do could we split the bit of symbiote and make more

T.C.:

than one venom? The venom scorpion is

Jim:

Can we can we have agent scorpion? Maybe? I don't know. Keep going. Or I mean agent venom?

T.C.:

Agent venom. Because flash is is Oh, flash is agent

Jim:

venom. Yeah. But ultimately, I wanna have Eddie Brock as Venom, but then also which is why I asked if we could split. But that creates the whole symbiote War. War again.

Jim:

Oh. Anyway oh, and and technically Yeah. By including Venom, that already kind of can it already reaches to the stars. I don't know if it reaches the cosmic level

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

But that's already a connection to go pretty to scale up. But Eddie follows some thread that leads him across the path of Sharon Carter

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Of agent agent thirteen.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And, right, some sort of we we have a set a set piece, and she like, he wants to follow. This is a story, and she's all like, there's no story here. None of this gets out. Right. Something like that.

Jim:

Yeah. But to that end, she needs to keep tabs on him. Mhmm. So she has to for for a number of reasons, she has to end up taking him with her.

T.C.:

So now Andy and Sharon are

Jim:

And now we so we've gone up a level. Uh-huh. And so now we do we we have we have to do a bunch of stuff at this level. Mhmm. And to make things a a little easier, the 10 rings are already after Sharon Carter.

Jim:

Mhmm. Right? We some some something like that.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. We had we crossed paths recently over a whole thing.

Jim:

Yeah. Something like that. Yeah. And then from there, what Eddie's chasing turns out it it connects cosmically. Just to just to stick it to quantum mania haters, I I I wouldn't mind if it went the other way.

Jim:

So it'd have to do with, like, the cross particles and shrinking down. Going down. But going down so far, it becomes big again. Well,

T.C.:

Do do you have you wanna keep rolling?

Jim:

I oh oh, where I was gonna go, the way I was gonna get it to space Mhmm. Was introduce a character that we have wanted to put into Marvel, Nova. Yeah. Or or someone from Nova Richard

T.C.:

Wright and Nova. I mean, we could bring John C. Reilly back if we wanted to. Yeah. Bringing in Nova.

Jim:

Yeah. Someone, basically, a space cop. Space cop.

T.C.:

We put Nova in the Marvels.

Jim:

Who is trying to confiscate or stop some space artifact, some cosmic level artifact from being on Earth. So we get a motley crew of unlikely Allies. Compatriots.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Oh, yeah. Unlikely allies who then have to go all the way up to I don't know if we wanna end it with the celestial tribunal. Like, honestly, it could just be Nova shows up to remove the Adamantian Yeah. Celestial from the from the ocean. Sorry.

Jim:

Burping. Alright. Yeah.

T.C.:

I I like you've you've created a really fun setup of of if we start with the goop, which is the smallest item on this list Mhmm. And we and we move it through the board, we go bigger and bigger and bigger bigger. Right? Mhmm. What I'm gonna throw this out as an option.

T.C.:

I think I like the idea of sticking with a singular POV through this whole thing. But Eddie going about these motions, coming across Sharon Carter, and then hand it off. Eddie's part of the story ends, and we follow Sharon as she moves into the next chapter and has another situate like, goes to this and this and this and this situation, and it hands off to the next character. So not anthologized necessarily, but like a movie like Go or some of those pulp fiction knockoffs, which is linking the stories through overlapping characters. And we move the narrative baton keeps getting handed off as we move through the Marvel Cinematic Universe to bigger and bigger and bigger.

T.C.:

So then, like, that that's just a notion. But the idea that we start as small as possible, and we move and then the POVs shift to a bigger a character who's just a little higher on the totem pole. Like, we get to Black Knight, Kit Harington. Yeah. Then we move to the 10 Rings.

T.C.:

We move to we get up to Star Fox and the Celestials and Korea and the Dark Dimension and bigger.

Jim:

So we basically do anthology?

T.C.:

In a way, but actually having on screen handoffs of of narrative. I think both could work. We could stick if if we're gonna make a movie where and it worked for Guardians of the Galaxy, taking two very unlikely main characters in Sharon Carter, power broker, and a new Eddie Brock with Venom, who becomes agent Venom's essentially. Hell, even I'll even go with stuff for we could introduce Eddie and may let him be Venom momentarily, but then get rid of Eddie and bring in Flash.

Jim:

Jump to it.

T.C.:

And jump to Flash.

Jim:

Just piss off all of the Venom fans.

T.C.:

And have our we have Flash from the the Spider Man universe who has threads of a story we are privy to if it's all background in Far From Home where we understand he comes from a very wealthy family. Like, there was even fan theories that he was going to be the equivalent of Harry Osborn because Osborn doesn't exist in the six one six movie universe. Six one six c, if you will, for cinematic.

Jim:

But I mean, to that end, does Eddie Brock not exist in this universe?

T.C.:

We've not seen evidence either way.

Jim:

So if we just jump to agent Flash Yeah. Or agent Venom.

T.C.:

Agent Venom. But to to actually rewind though and say that we stick with these two characters who get in over their head and further and further out of their depths leading up to a big climactic save the world finale. They're going to save the world and never be acknowledged for it.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

They're and having a motley crew of losers, it's it's there there's some

Jim:

Molly Crews of losers are the best.

T.C.:

Well, I mean I love them. Marvel has proved it. James Gunn has proved it twice with The Suicide Squad and Guardians of the Galaxy. Like, I love if this group of people all scream at the same time, you know I'm signing off on it.

Jim:

I the way I see that scene going, they don't. Actually, it's just Flash. He's screaming And then Rose is like stone cold. Yes. And he I thought we were all gonna scream at this We're not

T.C.:

doing the screaming. Alright.

Jim:

It'd be it'd be it'd be something like that.

T.C.:

Stop looking at me, pizza dog. Mhmm. Okay. We've we've got some good threads here. Threads based on threads that haven't been tied up.

T.C.:

What comes what always comes to question here is, what's the threat? What is the big thing? This can't just be a series of unfortunate events. This has to go somewhere, and the best way

Jim:

us the problem with the with the handoff. Yes. Yeah.

T.C.:

Which I I threw it out there as an idea. Yeah. I'm gonna take it back. I think we we collect people along the way.

Jim:

It's a fun idea. I think it makes a fun Marvel special, and not not a go to the theater movie.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Jim:

Though because I I wanna discuss this types of movie this type of movie a little bit. This is a screenwriting podcast. Yeah. I feel like those kind of movies are vibe. They're more vibe movies.

T.C.:

Sure. Sure.

Jim:

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I am forgetting some anthology movie or or some I don't that's all I can think to call them. What else would you call Pulp Fiction? Or I didn't see Go, but I I didn't know it was like that.

T.C.:

Pulp Fiction esque. Eleven fourteen is one of my favorites. You've never seen it, don't even look up what it's about. Just watch it. It's the numbers, like, on the clock.

T.C.:

Okay. 11 colon

Jim:

14. Another option would be to do a what's the word for it? Not a shenanigans movie. Nothing but trouble, where we actually follow three or four groups Story lines. Yeah.

Jim:

Who who are, like like, who are trying to move that that football. Right? Like, everyone's trying to get ahold of the thing.

T.C.:

Like, Inglourious Basterds is another example of Sure. Multiple POVs Yeah. Multiple story lines.

Jim:

Endgame is technically this.

T.C.:

True. But all leading all Right. Yeah. Existing with a singular purpose Mhmm. Must stop thing.

T.C.:

So with that said, if we go with the biggest threats on here, I I think the Celestials are too big.

Jim:

I don't, and I think I know what the threat is. Okay. And we need to resolve I think we need to resolve it here because I'm pretty sure they're done with it.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

It's on our list, and I know who I wanna cast.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

What's the threat? It's Kang. Okay. Yep. It's not it's not Jonathan Majors.

Jim:

Majors. Yes. It's how goddamn it. I forgot his name. It's Wittu.

Jim:

It's not the

T.C.:

character. Right.

Jim:

Jeffrey Wright. So much I wanna cast Jeffrey Wright as an older Kang.

T.C.:

I I love that. We we could also because we have the freedom to do so, it was hinted at in Loki that's oh god. What was her name? Ravonna. Oh.

T.C.:

Was it was hinted at. It could be perceived that she is a Kang variant. Yeah. And having the the rug pull that it's that Ravonna is the superior Kang, and and she is handed the baton of the Kang dynasty, that she's the final Kang Sure. Is is a fun notion.

T.C.:

You you want let's regardless of casting. You wanting Kang to be the big final threat here, I do feel like Kang has been dealt with. Between Quantum Mania and Loki season two, I do feel like they they Well, no. Because

Jim:

Quantomania dealt with one of them. We thought it was the one. Kang prime. But then the stinger was

T.C.:

the yeah.

Jim:

There's an arena of kangs.

T.C.:

Yeah. The council of kangs.

Jim:

It's so we do. We we rise to the celestial council, and Kang is threatening the council. Because who could threaten such a thing other than someone who conquers dimensions?

T.C.:

Well, if we have an unlimited supply of Kangs to destroy, that's a huge threat. That is an Avengers level threat.

Jim:

It's a celestial level event.

T.C.:

It's a celestial event. So, I mean, bringing back the Eternals, do we reach a point of, like, if if if Venom, what whoever

Jim:

it is. Oh, I think it justifies our fourth edition to this team.

T.C.:

So we got That Agent, we are we going Brock or Flash? Venom someone. Venom someone, Sharon Carter. You add in Rick Rider, Nova.

Jim:

It's funny. This is the

T.C.:

second time we've thrown Nova in here because we

Jim:

used to Where else did we put him?

T.C.:

He was the teammate in Marvel. We teamed up Carol with

Jim:

Rick Rider. Well, that's because we want to until Marvel puts him in something, we're gonna keep putting

T.C.:

him in something. So who are making your fourth? It's Doctor Strange. Okay. Alright.

T.C.:

Coming out of the Dark Dimension to so we got doc we have magic, we have science, we have street, and we have crazy Venom power. That's a that's a that's four very different characters. What a motley crew.

Jim:

Yeah. What what do you think?

T.C.:

I'm not hating it.

Jim:

But And the thing is we each each of these characters can rise to the occasion alongside Star Fox and the celestials and whoever else we wanna throw up at that cosmic level Yeah. Of fighting all of these kangs popping into the world because Venom is a space alien. Mhmm. And he can we can we can he can replicate slash do some crazy stuff.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Sharon Carter can have devices.

T.C.:

Yeah. She's our

Jim:

because that that's her whole thing. She drains in

T.C.:

these and trick and tricks and tools. Yeah. Gadgets. Mhmm. Well, what do you imagine that finale looks like?

T.C.:

Is them just punching and beating the shit out of Kangs until there's none left? Like, they'd have to clear the board here. Yeah. You're just giggly right now. Yeah.

T.C.:

I don't know if I love that. No? I don't know. I I'm not gonna say no to it, but I I am we I

Jim:

I mean, obviously, there's a lot of open open air in this bag of potato chips Yeah. That that we haven't accounted for.

T.C.:

What I think this creates if if we wanna resolve the Kang dynasty with these characters and this thing, we're creating a huge movie. This is a this is an Avengers sized film. And with these threads as they are and I don't understand it's a bad thing, but with these threads as they are, like, if the whole idea of Sharon is that she's in the gray moving across the board unnoticed and actually saving the world in her own way. Can we

Jim:

Who knows about this?

T.C.:

Well, I mean, if we're if we have this big intergalactic massive thing, I I fair. Maybe it could happen in the shadow still or in the in between.

Jim:

But even intergalactically, who who knows about it?

T.C.:

I I don't know. We haven't written it yet. Right. My my I'm only just stating the fact of, like, having this this is a huge huge movie, and I'm all for it if that's the direction we'll go.

Jim:

I feel like it's big because we we're needing to resolve threads that involve lots of really known characters.

T.C.:

Sure.

Jim:

I I mean, I'd write we they don't have to be on screen. They they they can be cameo sized. I I don't know. I I don't like, you say Avenger sized level threat. Mhmm.

Jim:

And the the the the the deviance from Eternals was an Avenger sized threat.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. Like like, Marvel movies have like, they're all they're these are superhero movies. If that's what they fight.

T.C.:

It's just true. I'm sorry. I I didn't mean

Jim:

to be No. No. No. It's it's okay. I've heard people I've I've heard

T.C.:

that argument before, and it I'm just I'm just trying to imagine where this fits into the canon of films. And okay. Sorry. I'm just

Jim:

counting right in

T.C.:

here right now.

Jim:

Well, if you don't if you don't like that ending, that that's fine.

T.C.:

No. It's not that it's just a matter of the the plot that Going to that point, like, taking our characters to the end game of fighting all the kangs and and putting kibosh on it. That is a good destination.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

We can make a meal out of that. Mhmm. And that on this list might be the biggest thing for them to try to wrap up here. Because if we go too small, we we verge into insignificance.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

If it's like, oh, it's it's it's the 10 rings versus the power broker, like, that's that's a TV show.

Jim:

And also, we don't wrap up as we we don't touch on as many of the threads. Like, some of them would just be like, oh, we have doctor Strange dip in for a moment, and he dips right back out. Like, okay. Does he say enough to satisfy us as to what was going on? Right.

Jim:

Whereas if he's a character who like, were we to go this route, I actually think he'd be a character that would kinda dip in and out Mhmm. Throughout. He'd be He he Gandalf's it. Yeah. Yes.

Jim:

Yeah. I was gonna be I was gonna say Leonard Nimoy in Simpsons.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah. My work here is done. You didn't even do anything. Didn't I?

Jim:

Yeah. But but Gandalf is is way better.

T.C.:

If the threat in the dark dimension that he's been dealing with Mhmm. Is linked to this whole thing.

Jim:

That's absolute I'm sorry I didn't say that. That's what I was imagining was going to happen. Let's okay. Let's say the Kangs And then we can resolve the third eye thing because I don't like it. The the Celestials can take it away at the end.

T.C.:

Take it away that thing. If the threat of the Kings let's say the Kings are our threat here, the the council, and they're they're trying to they've all gathered in one location, and they're gonna break, like

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

Do their thing. If they gathered in one location and it was a trap, and now they're all stuck in that place trying to break out. So there's an army trying to get through. And if they break through, then they will destroy the universe kind of thing. If that the cracks within the the the mirror dimension or the dark dimension, the cracks within Kang's containment is popping up in multiple locations, and we slowly realize they're all linked together.

T.C.:

Then the dark dimension could be threatened by cracks. And the 10 rings are basically, I'm trying to I'm trying to get us an arena here.

Jim:

In a you mean a set piece?

T.C.:

Like, where where can we have our final battle Oh. So it's not spread across the multiverse? Because this specifically said not to do multiverse.

Jim:

Right.

T.C.:

This Demands

Jim:

It Yeah. Well well, I mean, it said not to do multiverse, and then there are several threads that are Multiverse. Explicitly multiversal.

T.C.:

Just the just the Kang one.

Jim:

I was pretty sure there's another couple. Doesn't matter. Okay. Well, I have an idea of where it takes place.

T.C.:

The our our arena?

Jim:

No. We're well, yeah, we're we're the arena.

T.C.:

What's what's our finale arena?

Jim:

The the tribunal. The the actual celestials The of actual celestial court.

T.C.:

Whatever that is. Oh, okay. Is does Kang go to the celestial court to

Jim:

Yes.

T.C.:

Suck the marrow from their bones to power?

Jim:

They are they are we'll we'll we'll write how and why. They are the last bulwark or the last firewall to Kang taking over this dimension.

T.C.:

Okay. That's not bad if we're on, like, some planet, some intergalactic celestial planet.

Jim:

Because in my mind, it all resolves. Some of the denouement of it is the trial of what was her name? Cheyenne? No. Cersei.

Jim:

Cersei. The the trial of Cersei gets resolved because I'll I'll throw her in the in that final battle.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Some we're gonna have some extra heroes who are almost more cameo at that point. It's not like they're not gonna meet up with Star Fox and be like or or maybe maybe they can. Like, hey. Join join forces. I I think it's it some of it will be a matter of who is available.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Like like Nova, I think it's gonna be a matter of he's a cop trying to do the right thing, and he has these criminals, granted they're local to some star, sort of in tow. He for whatever reason, he can't get the rest of the Nova Corps to pay attention because that's what's in in in a in a cop movies, the rest of the force for this kind of cop, like, yeah. You well,

T.C.:

we did discuss this

Jim:

in Hey. You find your Dracula.

T.C.:

We did we did discuss this in our Marvels three episode, and it's canon. That was the first planet that Thanos destroyed in getting the gems.

Jim:

So That's right.

T.C.:

The the Nova Nova Corps has been obliterated in one one way or another, and and Nova Rick Rider might be the only Nova agent now Oh, sure. Which we could We could still do do something with. This this is what I wanna do. Let's let's okay. Let's say Venom Goo and Sharon are our starting point, and defeating the Kangs in the Celestial Temple is our endpoint.

T.C.:

I love it. Okay?

Jim:

I love it so much.

T.C.:

This this is what we're doing. We're starting with goo on a bar. Mhmm. And ending with an intergalactic tribunal war. Yep.

T.C.:

Those are bookends. Okay. I wanna take a break here. When we come back, we're then gonna go back through this list with everything on this list and see if there's any way we can narratively weave in anything else on this list. Sure.

T.C.:

I think we can. I bet you there's a few more than a few in here. If not, not all of them. We'll see. But if our we have our starting point and our end point.

Jim:

Because I think I think we've I think this here is a framework. We this is a Christmas tree we can hang a lot of ornaments on. Yeah.

T.C.:

Hell yeah. We're done with spaghetti, folks. We're hanging Christmas ornaments. Yep. I think so too.

T.C.:

But let's take a break here. We don't have to look at the list unless you wanna glance at it while we're on a break. But knowing those bookends, I think we'll we're gonna fill in some gaps here. So okay. Here's, some messages from our wonderful network.

T.C.:

Enjoy. Well, of all the things on this list, I did not expect Sharon Carter, the power broker, agent thirteen to be the main character of our story here. But I I would love for this to end in such a fashion that we could canonically fit this in. There's a good chance none of these threads are ever gonna be wrapped up. Mhmm.

T.C.:

To talk of our Thunderbolts episode again, we did not do anything in our thunder episode Thunderbolts episode that is contradictory to Canon. Yeah. No. And that's fun for me. Mhmm.

T.C.:

Okay. So first things first.

Jim:

Because it remains a thing that were we to get in the room, we could pitch.

T.C.:

Yes. Yes. Get us in the room, folks. Alright. Adrian Toomes, aka the vulture, meets Mac Gargan in a k a the Scorpion.

T.C.:

Now Adrian Toomes did get whisked away or to the Morbius universe to

Jim:

the to the He did. So so is he out of the six one six? Is Michael Keaton no longer in According to the Sony verse Yeah.

T.C.:

He is. Because I think I I don't know for sure. You might know better than me. Is Max Matt Gargan might be involved in the new Spider Man. Is it Scorpion?

T.C.:

No? I don't know. No? I don't know either. Okay.

T.C.:

So I feel like we shouldn't do anything with these two characters. I think we leave No?

Jim:

It it it nothing I'd I wasn't planning on hinging anything on it. Okay. But that was supposed to be the thread that Eddie Brock first starts investigating.

T.C.:

Oh, okay. Does he oh, god. Do we want him investigating my Vulture vanished?

Jim:

No. No. I don't want that.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Now that does bring up another point. Do we wanna do Eddie Brock? Eddie Brock is a character that we have not met Mhmm. In the MCU.

T.C.:

A full variant cast a new person.

Jim:

Or just jumping to Flash. Man, I I I don't know what they granted, we we are making our stuff outside of the movies and stuff. Mhmm. And you're you're I too like to make things that

T.C.:

That fit in. That fit.

Jim:

But if we use Flash and, like, something happens with Flash in the new Spider Man movie, Technically, yours comes after. It could still work.

T.C.:

I think we should use a variant Eddie Brock and not Okay. And not Tom Hardy.

Jim:

Oh, you're saying you Talk talk to me about it. I think

T.C.:

we should use Flash. Oh, really? I I would have sworn you would have gone with Eddie Brock. Okay. The reason I would go with Eddie Brock is we have a blank slate to do with whatever we please.

T.C.:

We can draw as much stuff from the comics as we want. I wouldn't cast Tom Hardy. I would start from scratch. However, I do like the idea of agent Flash. Sorry.

T.C.:

Agent Venom being Flash. And I wouldn't mind starting with Eddie Brock and handing off the goop to is that too much narrative for one movie in fifteen minutes?

Jim:

We yeah. We gotta do that. Gotta introduce a character, a fan favorite

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And then undo them Yeah. In fifteen minutes, and hand it off to the the freaking snide kid.

T.C.:

Yeah. You're the one who wants to use Flash.

Jim:

Yeah. But because I think he can I I think we can use him as a granted The when I think of Eddie Brock

T.C.:

Yeah?

Jim:

Yeah. Even though people hated Topher Grace as Eddie Brock

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

I thought what Sam Raimi did was inspired. Eddie Brock and Venom in Spider Man three were the inverse of Spider Man of Peter Parker. Right? And and and I absolutely loved that. Mhmm.

Jim:

And I have a hard time imagining Eddie Brock without Spider Man. Like, we introduce Eddie Brock, and he has no rivalry with Peter Parker. Yeah. And he, like, is moving on to do like like, Sony already did that. Sony did that and made it work.

Jim:

Right. Right. As much as know. Yeah. Three d Venom movies.

Jim:

Like, maybe No. No. Maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong about that. Maybe I don't have a decent handle on what is cool about Venom and Eddie Brock.

T.C.:

I think we let's we've seen enough Eddie Brock. Let's get over it. Let's go to Flash. Let's what do if we're gonna have Flash Thompson Mhmm. As we as we've seen him so far involved in this whole scenario, he's a fun character.

Jim:

Shoot Venom? Like, we could even make a nod. Venom can keep calling Flash Eddie.

T.C.:

Yeah. Like, he is because he is the goof from the Sonyverse. Yeah. Go, stop calling me that. I'm not Eddie.

T.C.:

Why what is wrong with you? Yeah. Okay. But well, how does Venom how get to does Flash enter this equation then? How do we enter him into the story?

T.C.:

If you you would suggest that he's an investigator.

Jim:

Well, no. The the that's the problem. The investigation goes away now. Right. Because Flash isn't an investigator.

Jim:

At this point, he's a college kid. Right?

T.C.:

Now Flash, as he's canonically done in the comics and as they've reset it in this universe, loves Spider Man. He's Spider Man's biggest fan.

Jim:

Which is also which is why I like him as our our knockoff Spider Man stand in.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Could he be so brazen as to try to delve into the black market to get his own Spider Man gear? That's how he connects with the power broker. Let's let's say he even goes so far as Mac has a scorpion outfit that Eddie sorry, that Flash has tried to pay for on the black market, and Sharon shows up, and now she's got this kid who won't leave well, he's a man now. He's in college.

T.C.:

But he's a kid. He's a kid. Based on my feelings, he's a kid. Right? If how do we get the goo in Flash's hands?

T.C.:

Did he buy it off the black market? And then right when he receives it, that's when Sharon shows up to, like, I'm taking that from you. No. It's mine. I bought it.

T.C.:

I'll pay you. How much do you want for it? Leave me alone. It's mine. I'm gonna meet Spider Man.

Jim:

That's a good question.

T.C.:

Well, I mean, what do think of that?

Jim:

That's that's that's not the worst. That moves faster than than I was thinking.

T.C.:

The the opening credits take the goo exchanging hands. We follow the goo all the way and just

Jim:

the being sold on the dark web

T.C.:

and stuff like hands in this little container. We go from Danny Rojas from the bar to this this, and we follow the goo in the container. And the the opening sequence here ends with Flash Thompson in a back alley about to buy this stuff off of Scorpion. And then Sharon Carter shows up and says, I would like to purchase that over this kid. And they argue, and Scorpion is like, screw this, and he unleashes his Scorpion outfit and fights her.

T.C.:

And now we have the goo breaks and attaches itself to Flash, and now she's like, I gotta get that shit off of you. Come with me.

Jim:

That's not bad. That that gets Sharon into it sooner than I was thinking.

T.C.:

Oh, okay. When when were you managing Sharon getting involved?

Jim:

Honestly, I kinda saw this movie being a a little like how you described a handoff, except instead of handing off, a new person was just joining the team. So we were gonna follow for a good fifteen minutes, twenty minutes, just Flash or just Venom. Right? Doing stuff. Okay.

Jim:

And then Sharon was gonna show up, and we we step up. And then for our the next act Yeah. It's the two of them. And then Nova shows up, and now it's the three of them.

T.C.:

We go

Jim:

to space, and then we have a a final thing.

T.C.:

How much can we do with Flash and Venom before we

Jim:

Well, that's the mistake of choosing Flash.

T.C.:

Yeah. Well, you picked them, not me.

Jim:

I said Eddie. I am yes. I made a mistake.

T.C.:

I I'm pitching this. I'm pitching what I just did, that we follow the goo to Flash trying to buy it.

Jim:

I I like that. And and and what you pitched makes sense. Sharon would show up to buy this weird thing on on the black on the black market on the dark web. She she's bidding on it too. She knows it's a it's it's an extra dimensional thing, organism.

T.C.:

Yeah. And it's it's too too dangerous of a thing to be out there in the world. If not buying off a scorpion, we have a weapons dealer in Birch, Sonny Birch from we have Walton Goggins who sells shit, who buys and sells shit. What was the

Jim:

the the biochemical who was selling the biochemical weapon?

T.C.:

Crossbones was

Jim:

He would sell no. That was that'd be an actual weapon. And he's dead. Crossbones dead. Yeah.

Jim:

Well, no. But the the threat is what was the weapon and who was the buyer.

T.C.:

Right. We we don't know what it was some biochemical. It wasn't

Jim:

it wasn't a kid from New York. No. No. No. He's dead.

T.C.:

Alright. Just just because I need I'm not gonna look too much because I've been going pretty spoiler free. I just need to know if if Mac is in Brand New Day. How how I just searched on IMDB. He's part of the cast list.

Jim:

Okay. Then let's drop that.

T.C.:

So I I don't think we touched Vulture or Matt Gargan. Okay. Now I I just made the suggestion of Sonny Birch is a weapons dealer, an underworld weapons dealer. That's who Flash could be buying this from. Or we also have Aaron Davies, the Prowler, aka the Prowler, as Donald Glover Mhmm.

T.C.:

Who we've seen twice now, once in Spider Man Homecoming, once in Across the Spider Verse. And if he's buying off of if Flash is buying off of him, and then Sharon shows up and he unleashes Prowler tech so that they fight. Then we get our first fight scene of the movie is Prowler versus Sharon.

Jim:

That's not bad. I'm still trying to think of I'm still trying to work the how and why is Flash very much is the, oh, I didn't mean to get mixed up in this situation character at this point. Yeah. I have an idea of how he becomes agent flat or agent Venom.

T.C.:

Agent Venom.

Jim:

Well But he needs to already, like, want to be involved. I'm going back to you had pitched you you had started pitching an idea, I and was like, no. That's ridiculous. But the idea of him buy what maybe it's too coincidental. What do you think about the idea of him buying something Spider Man related?

Jim:

Right? Because he wouldn't buy black goop. Why would he buy black goop?

T.C.:

Sure. Sure. But if it's just in the rack of toys, like, available merchandise.

Jim:

So he's buying or either either rack of merchandise or, like, he's buying something online that Spider Man touched or or or, like, a Spider Man glove that that I found in a back alley.

T.C.:

Right.

Jim:

Cool. I wanna buy that. I don't know how we explain the thought of a of goop, but the reason the goop is in the glove is because it has Venom's memories. It I it recognized Spider Man.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

So it seeks Spider Man out. It found this bit of costuming that looks like Spider Man.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

And that's how they get connected. Is that too

T.C.:

If we follow the goo and we there's two ways to go about this. If it arrives on his front porch, he opens it up and the goo comes off the glove. Oh, I got spider a piece of Spider Man's webbing, or I got one of the gloves. How cool is that? What's this?

T.C.:

Oh, god. Now there's venom, and then yes. That's one way to it. I think him going to some underground auction that he definitely shouldn't be at is gives us a better opportunity for Sharon to get there ASAP. And if things turn fast and go sideways, Sunny Birch can be there too.

Jim:

I guess the reason I don't wanna do that is because that that doesn't start us at street level and go upward.

T.C.:

What? Bidding in a back alley auction for for when

Jim:

the immediately the power broker's there?

T.C.:

Well, she's still pretty street. She has no super I I She's not street. Okay. Yeah. She's international.

T.C.:

You're right.

Jim:

Don't say Wilson has no superpower.

T.C.:

I don't wanna spend 15 minutes with just Flash. It's you're clicking your tongue at me. That makes Flash exclusively the main character of this movie. If we spend fifteen minutes with him, he's exclusively the main character, and everything we do from that point on structurally says we're doing it from his POV all the way to the end. Fair.

T.C.:

So if we if we start building the team faster you know what? Actually, come to think of it, is Flash in the next movie? He's not. Okay. Good.

T.C.:

He's not in Brandon.

Jim:

Even he was, our movie can be set after.

T.C.:

Sure. Sure. But just knowing that they're not planning to do anything with him makes it easier on us. Mhmm. If we spend fifteen minutes with Flash, he's the main character, the rest of this movie is from his POV.

Jim:

You are right. There's ways to to depower that.

T.C.:

Sure. Sub subvert that or or Yeah. Or take away the narrative power of that. The reason I I'm suggesting what I'm saying is just get this ball rolling.

Jim:

But Even even if Flash buys the Venom, the only reason he gets taken along you you are building a very strong case. The only reason he gets taken along is because she can't get this alien slime off this kid.

T.C.:

Right. He's not

Jim:

because he also isn't as much as he wants to be Spider Man when he gets into scenarios like that, the character as he has been portrayed in three movies so far is no. No. Coward. Yeah. So he has to be someone who will be thrust slash pulled into those scenarios.

Jim:

Just stay out of my way while I kick this thing's ass. These people's ass. The 10 rings just showed up. Are you happy? And so his his story arc is going to become is going to be growing brave and stuff by way of the Venom symbiote helping him.

Jim:

Becoming symbiotic with this thing.

T.C.:

Yeah. I have I have things for you that you can use. Boy, get out of my head. Stop talking to me inside my head. That's weird.

Jim:

I don't know I don't know how much of that we wanna do. Mhmm. Basically copying what Tom Hardy did.

T.C.:

Yeah. You're right. I that that strikes rubs me the wrong way. If it's not like

Jim:

But if if it's just the moment the the slime covers all of them, they're like, there's a whole panic scene there. Mhmm. But then when it helps him in a scene, he's like, oh, oh, I have powers. Oh, I have Spider Man powers. Yeah.

Jim:

That's why it take that's why it takes on a Spider Man look. Yeah. They recognize Spider Man. This kid is always thinking about and wanting to be Spider Man.

T.C.:

And now he has something that's allowed him to do that. Yeah.

Jim:

Okay. And so then so then he's gonna grow into his bravery Okay. By way of this suit.

T.C.:

How about this? He goes to the auction he shouldn't be at. We have a confrontation very briefly with Walton Goggins. There's a kerfuffle there where, like

Jim:

I I I realized, are you wanting to have a literal black market? An auction.

T.C.:

I want them to be in a physical place where they're bidding on stuff.

Jim:

Okay. So so not, like, not tables of illegal things.

T.C.:

No. No. No. I'm talking

Jim:

people browsing. No. It's bizarre It's raising paddles. Flea market

T.C.:

in there. Raising paddles and vote and and buying illicit things.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

To get Sharon involved is this.

Jim:

I before you had started Yeah. I was going to acquiesce Oh, that okay. That is there.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

Good. Not to buy the Spider Man

T.C.:

stuff. Yeah. She's there for some other piece.

Jim:

I'm I almost kinda like the idea that we introduce it almost as like a cameo. Like, this business thing is going on. Mhmm. And then a Spider Man thing. Oh, that's fun that they're selling.

Jim:

So and Flash is like, I'll buy that.

T.C.:

I'll buy that.

Jim:

Yeah. What the hell is this kid So doing I'm I'm I'm coming around to that. I I'm thinking about this intro. I don't wanna what I'm I I want I'm words. I'm seeing an intro where it starts actually at the cosmic level.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

We don't necessarily know whose perspective we're getting on certain things. Like, I don't know if it necessarily starts at the tribunal. Although, I like the symmetry of that. And a thing is noticed. I don't know what yet.

Jim:

But we get Nova on on his computer or whatever getting a blip about Earth. Okay. And we go to Sharon getting some sort of message about an auction. Mhmm. And then we go to Flash doing doing a thing or the slime doing a thing.

Jim:

Maybe this doesn't work, especially if our intro of Flash is sort of this weird kid inserting himself into someone else's movie. Yeah. Fuck it. I'm on board.

T.C.:

I don't mind the pre the preload, the prelude of of seeing the celestials, even if it's just the starscape and the eyes and some ominous voice over of, like, your your trial shall commence Mhmm. Something something and see not even being clear what we're seeing until we get there later, and then smaller smaller and then the domino the first snowflake of this avalanche falls. Get to Flash. Get to the goo, get to Sharon. I think 10 Rings threat come comes into there, because I'm going to the third thing on this list of 50.

T.C.:

I think there's probably 30 things here. Having the the power broker having Black Widow agents, or she work I don't think she works alone. You had mentioned that she has a bit of a network that she's utilizing. And, actually, we have seen one Black Widow agent in Captain America four.

Jim:

Yeah. We did.

T.C.:

Yeah. So we do know that they are out and about and hireable. Mhmm. Having the power broker and Flash connect and then escape a place only to be confronted by 10 rings, only to then be helped by black widow agents so that Sharon can Mhmm.

Jim:

Get like, listen, we need to get away from

T.C.:

Let them fight this out. As far as, like, Shang Chi's ancient energy source, If we involve him at all, now we've added a a much more powerful and established character.

Jim:

So the only what what gives off that energy source? The 10 rings and that gate? And and the bangles, I think. Okay. But there's nothing that the 10 rings have beyond that?

T.C.:

I don't believe so. No. Okay. Because, yeah, that was the Beyonder gate or whatever that's in in their their ancient place. The the only reason Oh, crap.

Jim:

I had an idea. I forgot the idea.

T.C.:

Well, I'm gonna I'll keep talking, then you see if it comes back

Jim:

to It was it was a thing that dropped Strange in in that intro scene as well.

T.C.:

Oh, okay. Well

Jim:

The art the artifact that's that's being sought that's the weapon that's being sold.

T.C.:

That isn't the goo. Yeah. Yes. I think that having having a hint of Doctor Strange as soon as possible there's actually another pretty powerful character here that we haven't considered, Sif, Lady Sif. Yeah.

T.C.:

We know Hercules is out there wanting to kill Thor, but Sif is is also out there. So if there's some sort of space tech that has got the same energy as the 10 Rings is ancient celestial material, do do we wanna make it out of adamantium? Are they selling someone who they've been scavenging adamantium from No.

Jim:

I like adamantium being the remnants of the celestial. Mhmm. But things that have that energy are not necessarily adamantium.

T.C.:

Got it. Okay. So in this sale of illicit

Jim:

Or or I I don't know. Am I wrong? Like, should it be?

T.C.:

No. No. I like it that it's not adamantium because

Jim:

it's what that does is it insinuates the 10 rings are adamantium Right. Right. That the bangles are adamantium.

T.C.:

And I don't like that. But having them be celestial tech. Yeah. Ancient ancient celestial tech

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

That is being detected. Sith

Jim:

Why would Sith care? Because honestly, that I feel like the way Marvel has set it up is that tech is older than even Odin. That it's it's older than than the Asgardians.

T.C.:

True. But the Asgardians are pretty ancient as they are. So there's an in there may be an interest in that item or an item so that Sif could be there too. Maybe we're adding too many characters to the board too quickly. But if we put them there and then bring them back later, I don't know.

T.C.:

We'll come back to Sif.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

Having the 10 rings show up, I think, is easy. Mhmm. Whether we deal with Shang Chi's energy source on the on his rings, I don't know if there's any place for that. But the reason to put something in there is it connects it back to the Celestials almost immediately. Yeah.

T.C.:

Just a hint that there's some sort of key or barrier being broken if the Kangs are trying to break their barrier, whatever if okay. Woah. Woah. We're going over here. We're going over here.

T.C.:

Oh. Ultron heads are in storage. We could just have a more Ultron stuff in that weapons auction at the beginning.

Jim:

We don't actually answer the question. We just duplicate the thread. Well, we could heads everywhere.

T.C.:

Okay. Sunny Birch is definitely running this thing, and he's got the collection of these, like, hanging items. And he says, we have a genuine Ultron head. Now this thing is not connected to any sort of network anymore. It is basically a paperweight.

T.C.:

They all are paperweights.

Jim:

As

T.C.:

far as we know, the the the Ultron bug no longer exists.

Jim:

But maybe you can turn it on. Who knows? Good luck.

T.C.:

And maybe that's what Sharon is there for.

Jim:

That's not bad.

T.C.:

The Ultron tech

Jim:

Yeah.

T.C.:

To to

Jim:

Well, right, the the tech that's on the board that she could be after is the Ultron heads, the cross tech.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah. The yellow jacket pin particles cross particles. Yeah.

Jim:

I'm not sure. Because I was thinking I was if she takes that, I was thinking that could be a thing that helps take down Kang.

T.C.:

The yellow jacket particle?

Jim:

Yeah. Just just send him to the quantum realm. And and I realized quantum mania was all about him going to the quantum realm being stuck there. Yeah. The thing is he didn't get there by way of cross particles.

Jim:

Oh, maybe he was. No. No. No. No.

Jim:

No. Some somehow insinuate that that crosstack, it's flawed. Right? Like, it it's not gonna do for anyone who uses it what Pimtech did for for Quantum. Pim.

Jim:

Yeah. Like, don't know how to insinuate that

T.C.:

right now, but story. Had or she story time. She could already have gotten the cross particles. That they're they're not on sale in this auction. Or or are we just saying she shows up and steals everything?

T.C.:

I'm taking this item and this loose item and this loose item, and these are all what I'm here for. I'm leaving now. I think we could just suggest that she's been collecting powerful items for quite some time now, including this cache of things. Oh, This yellow thing. You ever hear Pym particles?

T.C.:

These are the knockoffs. It's the Burger King of McDonald's particles.

Jim:

Does that answer the demand? We just have to tie these threads. That doesn't does okay.

T.C.:

I I I feel

Jim:

like tying a thread does more than just say, oh, I got it.

T.C.:

Making them narratively significant is important. I like the idea that she's gonna use these in the finale.

Jim:

And it makes sense that Walter Goggins Walton Walton?

T.C.:

Walter. Walton. Walton.

Jim:

Yeah. Got ahold of the cross particles. Yeah. Because he's involved in the whole PIM stuff. He fought Scott.

T.C.:

Right. That's right. So having cross particles Mhmm. And an Ultron or the that maybe that's what the power broker could already have is she's collected all the Ultron tech that still exists. Or do you like the idea that he says, this thing's a paperweight?

Jim:

That's funny. If she has it, like, if it's like a Cameo thing that when she get gets back to her Home base or whatever. Home base or whatever, and there's like, it's there Mhmm. It really is just the thread moved. Okay.

Jim:

The the the the loose thread moved. Just like, what does that mean? Why did you show us that?

T.C.:

Mhmm. Okay. You know? How do we utilize the remainder?

Jim:

We don't have to fit everything in. What celestial artifact could we place there that would attract the attention of the power would would attract the attention of criminals and the power broker and ultimately doctor Strange.

T.C.:

Well, I'm gonna Google that.

Jim:

Because obviously, we could make a thing up. Like, right? Oh, there's a a gauntlet. There's a helmet. There's a a tiara.

Jim:

There's the doodad. I I would rather have it be an actual reference.

T.C.:

Some something that's already been in universe?

Jim:

Ideally alright. Yeah. Some something from the comics.

T.C.:

So is there something from the Marvel comics that's connected to the Celestials? Ideally, looking yeah. For. Yeah. That could be a singular object like Ms.

T.C.:

Marvel's bangles or or even the junkies, the dark rings.

Jim:

Something any anything like that. It's thinking.

T.C.:

Star Brand, MCU, celestial communication device. In the comics, celestials leave behind technology all over the universe. The MCU may have simply a key or a beacon. The 10 rings send a signal similar to what is in the comics. Something called the forever crystal is a powerful cosmic artifact associated with immense reality altering energy from the comics.

Jim:

That. Let's use that. The crystal. The yeah. The the the the forever crystal.

T.C.:

Forever the forever stone crystal thing. Okay. Great. So that that item is

Jim:

It can it can just be our MacGuffin. Actually, we are, like right? It doesn't even need to be a weapon. It's just clearly an illicit item, an an illegal item from space or whatever. Walton Goggins can even say that.

T.C.:

It's an illegal item from space or whatever. We got we got giant ivory or adamantium giants coming out of the ocean.

Jim:

So this little this little guy?

T.C.:

Yeah. No one's gonna notice this little guy. But this little guy, what this does is it creates a energy endless energy source. You pop it on a thing, no need for bullets. This thing shoots lasers now.

T.C.:

It's a it's a doodad thingy thingy thing. And that draws the attention of both Power Broker and Doctor Strange?

Jim:

That that yeah. That that's my thought.

T.C.:

Okay. I don't mind that, but we are inserting Doctor Strange into this movie at a very it it's fine. He's there. But if we wanna Gandalf him that like you said, you like the idea of him Gandolfing in and out, we just need a good reason why he keeps leaving. And if it and it flashes there, and the goo gets on him in some sort of kerfuffle Why?

Jim:

Why do we need a good reason? Or we keep him around? No.

T.C.:

We make this a Doctor Strange movie?

Jim:

Why why wouldn't he just pop away? He got the thing he needed, he's gonna leave.

T.C.:

He's not gonna we don't want him to be like, hey, that is that goo is a result of my meddling. Give it to me, kid. I can't. It's stuck to my arm. Is this bad?

T.C.:

You're a doctor. Is this bad? Yeah. It's bad.

Jim:

It's real bad. Yeah. No. You comfort me. We we could.

Jim:

I don't know. I I'm I'm fine with him popping popping out. Right? He gets his crystal. Mhmm.

Jim:

Power broker can't stop him from

T.C.:

doing that. Hey. Stop. What? Stop what?

T.C.:

I'm taking this very powerful item Yeah. And leaving.

Jim:

That's what I was doing.

T.C.:

I think I can leave into a better place than you can.

Jim:

Oh, Yeah. Where?

T.C.:

And that was pretty good. Goddamn sorcerers. And then now she's stuck with with this idiot who's got space goo on him. Why does she take him?

Jim:

Because of the space goo?

T.C.:

Yeah. Well, why would she leave him there? He's a danger. Is he? Well, particularly if he gets it on him and like

Jim:

If he gets it on him, especially if we can demonstrate. Right? And he gets it gets it on his hand and his hand starts doing stuff.

T.C.:

And he like shoots webbing like thing and he's like, what is this? And she's like, what did you just do? I don't know. This thing got on me, and now I can do a thing. Alright.

T.C.:

You're coming with me. Yeah. So now so now they've hit the road together.

Jim:

Yeah. Dang it. What? I love Flash, but he's so much harder to write into this. Eddie Brock is just like, I'm gonna write a story.

Jim:

No. You're not. You're coming with me. It's so much easier.

T.C.:

Well, if he's infected with a thing, am I gonna die? Yeah. Am I gonna die? Well, I don't know. I don't know.

T.C.:

We could cut your arm off. Please don't do that.

Jim:

I can see that after saying that line.

T.C.:

So if we if we take him away to her base of operations Yeah. Then we can see some of her comings and goings. If she has a couple of black widows, she's and it's nothing elegant. This isn't S. D.

T.C.:

Is very underground, small. I

Jim:

don't know if it's small. Just just not Actually, she had some pretty palatial parties. Okay. Well, I guess that is true that

T.C.:

she did have her her

Jim:

No. Her It's actually probably quite nice. She's like a freaking James Bond villain. Yes.

T.C.:

Wow. This place is great. You know

Jim:

This is like my parents' vacation Alright, kid.

T.C.:

Let's get a scientist to look at you to get this off of you. Having some sort of cosmic detection of that, is it is that linked to the celestials yet? How do when is the soonest we link to the celestials? Well, we did just have doctor Strange grab a thing. Yeah.

T.C.:

If we he comes in, removes that item, where do Sharon and and Flash go from here?

Jim:

What what's what else is on her list?

T.C.:

Oh, well, the next thing I'll list is 10 rings and Well, the

Jim:

10 rings has happened, and, like, that can even be worked in where where she's like, something like, come with me if you wanna live. What do you mean if I wanna live? Are you gonna kill me? You know, I'm I'm not gonna kill you, but the 10 rings know who you are now.

T.C.:

Well, I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. You you you have a thing.

Jim:

Yeah. Oh, god. As far as fun and games, that could be the next place that Sharon needs to go to, and so she just has to take this kid in tow. Like Rather than going to an HQ and resting

T.C.:

or anything She has another

Jim:

she she goes from this To a Ultron Tron thing. To to buy a bunch of Ultron scrap.

T.C.:

Namor. Namor. We do have Atlanteans to deal with. That might be escalating a little bit, but but there could be in in moving our what ourselves closer and closer to a cosmic threat.

Jim:

So I think the the the place where we get closer to the cosmic threat, I feel like Nova wouldn't hear about the the dead celestial and would come to remove it. I don't know if Nova Core or Nova would be involved in something like that.

T.C.:

Oh, here we go. And let's do this. I got something. Okay. Sorry.

T.C.:

I'm completely gutting you off, but I got something that we can utilize here. If when doctor Strange comes in, has an interaction with Sharon okay. This space goo, I listen. I'm gonna give you a spell that you can just here's an here's an here's a thing that I'm gonna put on this. You contact me if this becomes a bigger problem.

T.C.:

So I'm gonna put a little just a little magic ring around your wrist.

Jim:

I'm not a babysitter. Yes. You are now.

T.C.:

You are now. And then Doctor Strange has bigger fish to fry. I'm gonna take this this celestial item back into the dark dimension to deal with my my thing. Yeah. We might need to be more clear on that, or we're just moving a thread as opposed to tying it up.

T.C.:

But whatever the case, Sharon now has Flash with her to her location, and he has a little sorcerer, a wizard y thing on on him. Okay. Who's tracking down wizards to kick some ass? Mordroo can show up to be like, I'm I'm I'm the next I'm the next threat to face. I'm a magic oh, we did we just faced a wizard, sorcerer.

T.C.:

It's a different thing. Where's doctor Strange? I feel his stink all over you.

Jim:

That's not bad. I don't have a great reason not to other than what I was really hoping to do with doctor Strange was have it be more it feel more coincidental that they keep bumping into him. Okay. So we That is a that is a fun idea. Gives him a a a tracker of some kind or, like, here's a whistle.

Jim:

If a war starts, blow

T.C.:

on him. And then Mordre shows up to I've sensed

Jim:

Give me that war whistle.

T.C.:

Yeah. I know.

Jim:

But so I'm I I feel like the the the sort of bigger set piece that I'm building actually, maybe maybe Strange doesn't show up there. Maybe we don't need to use the crystal there.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Maybe it is just cross cross tech

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

That Sharon gets there, and now she's got this kid in tow because he's got a weird space alien on. I like the idea of showcasing the things Sharon is up to. So, like, that's sort of a big part of this movie, and and that's where we're gonna visit a bunch of these things. Mhmm. The wizards, that could be another deal she's going to to eat to get that crystal, and there are wizards there and Mordreau like, the whole deal goes sour when Mordrew shows up to just kill everybody.

Jim:

Mordo. Sorry.

T.C.:

I keep saying yeah. Mordo.

Jim:

Yep. Mordrew is someone else. But at that same time, Strange shows up. That's what gets more Mordo off their back. Mhmm.

Jim:

But then they also have to he also takes the crystal there, maybe makes a note of, like, I recognize that pattern that's on you, kid.

T.C.:

Is that the next place Sharon goes, though? Because you're this is a good idea for a set piece that

Jim:

Well, because I I'm I'm also building an escalation as far as deals go. Right? We we just did a back a back alley weapons auction.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

We jumped to an exotic locale selling a mystical item Right. And wizards show up.

T.C.:

And in between those Mhmm. Having a a reprieve at a location to re like, equip, and I'm gonna leave you here with my black widows. It's like, no. You you you that that that wizard dude said I gotta stick with you because I just trying to get from a to b. Sure.

T.C.:

If we go from backroom dealings to exotic locale and keeping Flash with her

Jim:

Uh-huh.

T.C.:

Having what's the what's the in between the the the rising action, falling action, rising action, falling action. Like, the reprieve between auctions

Jim:

is Time on plane. Time on plane.

T.C.:

Well, I having a a stop off to re equip.

Jim:

Right. To stow stow the tech she just got.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

And and That's not bad.

T.C.:

And and even just interacting with a couple of black widows, like, you take him off my hands? That's not what we do, and you know it. I don't wanna carry this kid around. I'm 23 years old. Stop calling me

Jim:

a kid. Another thing I'd like to do somewhere in this movie Mhmm. Is probably transition him to a full ven to the full black suit sooner than later, beco and and have him find his find somewhat of a courage

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

So that he that he can sort of be the the the the the quippy whippersnapper.

T.C.:

By the time we get into the like But also before the third act, we should see him fully in suit. I think so. By the third act, he is now fighting and Yeah. And allowing himself to be symbiotic with this thing. I also think the thing should, like, be healing.

T.C.:

At first, it's just on his arm and it does things. But little by little, healing itself and growing. Sure. Yeah. So then we can work up to, like, does this thing look like it's spreading to you?

T.C.:

Yeah. It's spreading. That's why it's bad. Oh. Because eventually, he'll hear the voice, like, when it finally Sure.

T.C.:

If it if it has it leap

Jim:

in one way. Actually, what we can do, acknowledging the way Tom Hardy did it, which was great, just have that actor do the voice of Venom, the voice of the symbiote Yeah. Is always a reflection of the wearer's voice.

T.C.:

Oh, I see. So then then Ciro's doing it. That's not Ciro. Grand Budapest Hotel character name. Yeah, I like that that it's like he's doing the voice.

T.C.:

I like that.

Jim:

But but what I wanna build to so, like, before that can happen, actually, it can either happen there at the the the back alley fight or at this next one, Sharon gives him a gun. Yeah. We're because he has like, I don't know how to use this thing. It's doing it's it's it's it's acting on its own. Mhmm.

Jim:

Something like that. And so she gives him a gun to defend himself because I'm gonna build agent Venom here. I'm gonna do it. Yeah. And the way the way I'm doing it is at some point, in in in one of our down moments, there or or or hints are picked up somewhere, the notion that she used to be a part of S.

Jim:

L. D, she used to be an agent of some kind

T.C.:

Right.

Jim:

Is is conversed. And he said, make me an agent.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And and so he so what I'm what I wanna do basically is he we're going to unofficially make him agent Venom

T.C.:

here. And if she's inadvertently training him along the way. Yeah. Just little tricks.

Jim:

Yeah. Do this the system. No shield, we won't get an actual agent Venom. Uh-huh. So, you know, in the MCU, we get unofficial agent Venom.

T.C.:

And that's okay.

Jim:

That's ultimately what I'm building to. And now we gave him his guns because Agent Venom's thing is guns. Well,

T.C.:

before we get to that, having the exotic locale for tech, we were saying that would be Ultron tech?

Jim:

No. I was saying that would be that would be the crystal.

T.C.:

Oh, the crystal's the second low. Because the second low.

Jim:

Crosstack was The first one. First one.

T.C.:

Right. And that's Sunny Birch. Honestly take Sunny off the table.

Jim:

The the Ultron tech Mhmm. We can actually be just dialogue. There's a point where she has a call or talks to one of her black widows Mhmm. Because she she's not the the power broker doesn't do all of the work. She has agents.

Jim:

She she agents. And so they have an exchange about getting the Ultron tech.

T.C.:

Yeah. If what if the Black Widows are on a mission, like, they've they've got some hey. Check this out. You can use and then they when okay. Yeah.

T.C.:

In between our first set piece and our second set piece at the exact locale for the gem or for this crystal, the forever crystal, she crosses paths with a couple of her agents Mhmm. Who've just wrapped up collecting more Ultron tech Mhmm. And they give her an item that she can then equip herself with.

Jim:

And she he how about this for dialogue? Rather than her trying to unload him

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

They're at some place, and it's nice, and he and he says, could could maybe I just stay here?

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

That looks like a nice pool, and, like I'll just go home. Something something like that. Yeah. And well, he doesn't he doesn't say that. Yeah.

Jim:

Because the the the line is, you can't stay here. This place is full of criminals. They will kill you. Yeah.

T.C.:

Oh, okay.

Jim:

So so the idea that she keeps taking him because she's protecting she knows he needs to be to be protected Mhmm. Because she is a good guy trying to do the right thing, but she has surrounded herself with criminals and murderers.

T.C.:

Unsavory types. Yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. So that's the reason she needs to drag him along.

T.C.:

One of the couple reasons that might she might have. Like, no one else will take her off her hands, and she's protecting him.

Jim:

Don't you have, like, a safe house or anything?

T.C.:

I got many safe houses, and I'm not leaving you at any of them. Yeah.

Jim:

That's I like that line.

T.C.:

Not so safe, I guess. But having her cross paths with some black widows who give her a piece of Ultron tech that we can utilize for the finale. Yeah. Just here's another little payoff for later and also some information

Jim:

And about and maybe they they that's they're maybe they're meeting up with her as well because that will be her backup to get the crystal. Yeah. So now it's wizards versus black widows. Yeah. Or we can save the black widows for later.

Jim:

I think the next deal up, the what escalates Mhmm. Is someone is illegally mining

T.C.:

the Celestial. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I like that.

Jim:

Yeah. And there, we're gonna encounter Atlanteans. We're gonna encounter who else? Big bigger groups. Who else would we Ten

T.C.:

ten rings is on the table. So but we

Jim:

10 rings can yeah. They show up again. Yeah. Like, power broker, what are you doing here? You guys again.

Jim:

It's just do do a bunch of stuff like that.

T.C.:

And that's is that when Rick Rider shows up?

Jim:

That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that's why he's coming to Earth. Because of the adamantium. Yeah. Because of the dead celestial.

Jim:

Mhmm. What what do you think of that? Would would Nova would Nova Core where's Nova's powers from? Are they cosmic?

T.C.:

I think it's Green Lantern esque, or it's just like science tech, space tech. It's not celestial based.

Jim:

But they would be aware of the celestials. Right? Oh, yeah. Absolutely.

T.C.:

Okay. They they a 100% are aware of the celestials.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

So he that would make sense that he would show up space cop to be like Confiscate. Hey. We're here to confiscate an entire giant. We're not gonna let you do that.

Jim:

You're not gonna stop. We make him a dick in

T.C.:

both of them. He is a cop. He is a cop. No offense to any officers who listen to our show. Okay.

T.C.:

So we go from backroom deal to exotic locale. That's the crystal in the Doctor Strange encounter, or is the Doctor Strange encounter in our backroom deal at the beginning with the goo?

Jim:

I think it's the crystal.

T.C.:

Okay. At having the crystal all take play Doctor Strange show up and having, like like, limited interactions with basically, it's like witnessing Mordu showing up and those two, like, kicking each other's asses. Well, it's like, what is this? And and Mhmm. Them taking their fight elsewhere.

Jim:

I I well, actually, I kinda like the idea because Sharon has been doing this so long, we need to make her more competent. So, like, the wizard fight starts, and it doesn't go elsewhere. So Sharon's like, okay. We need to go

T.C.:

out of here. This guy this dude's been hunting sorcerers, and and doctor Strange is his, like, enemy number one. So yeah. So that

Jim:

means she owns the situation in the back alley. There there is no things go wrong. I just grabbed shit. I grabbed this kid, and we we skedaddle. It's she chases Walt Walton Goggins off.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Or buys him out. Something like that.

T.C.:

Kicks his ass.

Jim:

Oh, no. Because the 10 rings show up.

T.C.:

Yes.

Jim:

Yeah. So she kicks the 10 rings ass asses. Or there's there's a The ones that are there.

T.C.:

Quite the kerfuffle before she gets out of there.

Jim:

Something like that. Yeah.

T.C.:

And then reprieve, a little bit of exposition of, like, this is bad. You call

Jim:

To it show to show the kind of power she has, it'd be interesting 10 rings show up. They she knows there there's this bad blood between her and them for we can figure out why. She ripped them off. Something like that. Probably.

Jim:

And she just turns to Walton Goggins and his men and says, $100 each to to take care of these guys. Just walks past them with the kids. Something something like that. Yeah.

T.C.:

Okay. I I like that.

Jim:

The the just showing how the the power she has to to turn her group. She had if she has a little bit of a Batman power. Yeah. Just power of money.

T.C.:

The power of money. After this second encounter, as they are jet setting their way out of there

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

And Flash has shown some indication of the spread of this power, he does demonstrate a little bit of, like, panic fighting. And she's like, hey. You need to do x y and z next time. Listen to what I'm telling you or you're gonna get killed. I'm already getting killed.

T.C.:

Whatever this thing is. Oh. Wait. Sorry. Sorry.

Jim:

You I I have an idea. I I don't wanna I want you to finish your idea.

T.C.:

Go

Jim:

ahead. My my I have a notion of how Flash can find out about her being an agent, a shield aide. Right? If she's having to drag him along, especially if, like, she has a private jet or something, he, by hook or crook, gets into her sort of private office

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And finds a picture of her with why not? Captain America, Black Widow, and and Nick Fury.

T.C.:

And hot ass. Yeah.

Jim:

Like, but it's it's just a bunch of them. Yeah. He's like, you know Captain America? Yeah. That's that's a long time ago.

Jim:

It's just just all I kinda say, Wait. I thought you were you were an international criminal. I am.

T.C.:

I am an international criminal.

Jim:

Oh, man. Well, but then how do you know Captain America? He's a good guy. I I used I used to be a part of that. And they're like, that's where all that sort of can exposit.

T.C.:

Oh, here we go. I got it. Yes.

Jim:

And give her feelings about it. She can exposit about what she's doing here, why she's bad.

T.C.:

This works to what I was about to suggest, which is after a second encounter, there needs to be an explanation as to what are you doing? Sure. What what are you, agent thirteen? What are you, Sharon Kirk? What are Mhmm.

T.C.:

What is this? What you just go from spot to spot, you collect a thing, you you have a fight and you go away, like literally call it out. Like, we've we're repeating this. What is your deal? And that's when she could just lay it down for him and be like, there's threats in this world.

T.C.:

Mhmm. And there are very few people who are actually willing to do what needs to be done to protect this world from itself and the things that are infiltrating it. And I've taken upon myself, I've lost everything. Mhmm. The the agency I worked for is gone.

T.C.:

The the people that I worked for are gone. The people that I worked with are gone. Mhmm. I'm alone out there, and and my network is like, I'm I took an oath to serve this world and and and protect it, and that's what I'm gonna do. Right.

T.C.:

That's all well and good, but to what end? And and if if it's some something of, like, there's something big coming again. The last time something big happened, we all lost five years of our lives. That's not gonna happen again on my watch.

Jim:

Okay.

T.C.:

Just because Yeah.

Jim:

No. That that I'd I'd you're you're you're planting the seed for Doomsday, and I appreciate that.

T.C.:

I'm I'm not yes. I'm planting the seed for Doomsday, but I'm also planting the seed for where this movie's gonna go.

Jim:

Sure. Well, it it's a it's a little both. Yeah.

T.C.:

Yeah. She she is planning for the worst case scenario, and the worst case scenario is bigger than this kid can perceive. Sure. Oh, no. I've seen Spider Man do some pretty incredible things.

T.C.:

I survived the blip.

Jim:

I get it. Nick Fury Nick Fury put a team of superheroes together a week before an alien invasion. I aim to not beat that record.

T.C.:

I'm planning a little bit further ahead. Yeah. So is that, like, if she

Jim:

I I don't have Nick Fury anymore. Something like that. Yeah. So there's there's some We don't have

T.C.:

there's some good dialogue to to to build off of all this stuff. But for this specific encounter, and this is what's happening right now, is that there's something about to happen. I know it. The signs are pointing to it. That's why I'm collecting these things now.

T.C.:

Something's going off. Some she needs to be able to detect that the celestials and the kangs thing is gonna happen. She's not fully aware of what it is. There's some hints, some some spider sense in her own I see where you're at. Intuition that she believes is is if if even from the get go, she knows by the end of this week, I need to be at this spot because of this thing that my research has shown me is coming, and I'm gonna check these boxes off off my ledger to get to this thing.

T.C.:

We need to take that jump, and the next jump that needs to happen is if we're going from exotic location to even the adamantium, the next jump up from that is SIFF, And if we're gonna introduce if if Nova's entered into this equation, we're getting off planet at this point. Mhmm. Just with the characters involved and the threats that are involved. She needs to believe something's coming Yeah. And she paranoid enough to be driving towards it.

T.C.:

You see what I'm saying? I do. And that's the bridge that we need to cross between that belief, something encountered on Earth that then takes us off planet.

Jim:

Then maybe maybe it's not the forever crystal. Maybe it's the celestial communicator, and maybe she gets away with it.

T.C.:

From the this From

Jim:

the second encounter?

T.C.:

The exact encounter. Yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. Maybe she trades a wizard, the forever crystal

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

For a celestial communicator. Because what one thing we haven't shown her do right now, she's just collecting.

T.C.:

She's but she's trading.

Jim:

Yeah. We because because the thing is she still does shady stuff. We need I I feel like somewhere in here, it would be nice if we oh, actually, her buying off Walton Goggins stuff, I think, is a part of that. That that could also there could also be a trade there, not just money. Like, she could

T.C.:

be giving something. Oh, okay. So, yeah, she's she's preparing the world for whatever's to come, and she's buying stuff and trading. Flash could witness her trading off some stuff to some unsavory types Mhmm. And to, like, the young Avengers.

T.C.:

Like, who who whose side are you on? I'm on Earth's side. I'm on humanity's side.

Jim:

Is that the stop off after the weapons deal, she goes and meets the young Avengers and then goes to to Exactly.

T.C.:

Meet

Jim:

the the Black Widows to to make the deal with the wizards? Maybe.

T.C.:

I'm trying to think when would be best to see Kate Bishop and

Jim:

Probably earlier because it's really just a cameo.

T.C.:

Yeah. Do you do you like the notion that she's driving towards a specific destination in time? And then when she gets there, she's unprepared for what what it is.

Jim:

I don't not.

T.C.:

You can't think of an argument against it. I understand that. Having the just getting these pieces in the play.

Jim:

I I like the idea that she is preparing the same way Nick Fury was. He didn't know what it was. He just sees all of these things happening in the in the world, and he's like, no. We've got to be prepared for it. And, like, that's what she's doing.

Jim:

And then when Nova shows up to take the adamantium, her response is her response is, well, no. You can't just you can't just take either it's not a matter of, well, she wants it for herself. Mhmm. Why would she go along? I mean, she wouldn't be she wouldn't just be cool with someone coming and taking it.

Jim:

Yeah. But also or or maybe that's enough?

T.C.:

That Nova would show up to say, I'm taking this

Jim:

thing I'm taking this? Well, who are you? I'm the space cops. Well, we don't acknowledge your jurisdiction. Jurisdiction.

T.C.:

The the big jump here narratively is how do we get to space? And if

Jim:

Nova Essentially essentially, what does Sharon do, or what happens with Sharon that shackles her to Nova, similarly to how Flash Well, has been shackled to

T.C.:

if we want to well, let's it's all poetry. Right? So if if Nova shows up and Sharon and whatever are Atlantean Oh. Adamantium fight. Go ahead.

Jim:

We can decide how the celestial communicator works. Right?

T.C.:

Yeah. Sure.

Jim:

It's communicating to her. It only communicates with one person.

T.C.:

It subscribed itself to you.

Jim:

Okay. You're coming with me. No. I I live on Earth. Yeah.

Jim:

You have to come with me.

T.C.:

Does that mean I have to go too? Yeah. You're coming with me. No.

Jim:

You don't need to come. Yes. You need What

T.C.:

what makes you think this guy kid needs to come?

Jim:

Oh, I didn't know you had a Oh.

T.C.:

You got a symbiote on you. Yeah. Yeah.

Jim:

Or what's this specific species?

T.C.:

The alien. I have a what? Yeah. Yeah. You better come with us.

T.C.:

Yeah. Am I dying? You're not not dying.

Jim:

Oh, no. Say, no. No. You're fine. You're okay.

Jim:

You'll be you'll be okay. You'll be. Yeah. No. You're not dying.

Jim:

Shoots a look over at Sharon. So

T.C.:

is that taking them off planet?

Jim:

What do you think of that? I I like Like and and so, like, in that meeting, the celestial communicator, it spoke to you? Yes. It hasn't stopped Mhmm. Since we can think.

Jim:

That's super bad. That's a bigger deal than the adamantium. Mhmm. Leave that here. You're coming with me.

T.C.:

And we need to get off planet.

Jim:

What do you think of that?

T.C.:

That's not bad. If we get him if we have him flying out of here and then Sif lands on the thing, I'm just wondering if

Jim:

we I don't I like I like Sif. I don't know how to get her into

T.C.:

it. Well, that my suggestion right there is that if she shows up to fight Nova

Jim:

Why would she fight him?

T.C.:

I don't know. But

Jim:

because comic books.

T.C.:

I I don't I'd love to get Sif in this to get her a part of this.

Jim:

Honestly, why would Sif what is Sif's deal? Question mark. Why wouldn't she just go to New Asgard?

T.C.:

Yeah. Maybe she I guess, she's not

Jim:

ready to retire. She's a Viking. She

T.C.:

survived Ragnarok off camera. We never saw off screen, we never saw it happen to her. She could be holding a little bit of shame that she didn't protect Asgard, that she that she lost the warriors three, that Thor is like, she It

Jim:

could essentially a chance encounter in space. She's a Viking. I love that idea of she she missed all the opportunities of dying valiantly and going to Valhalla. Yeah. She wants to die valiantly.

Jim:

Yeah. Yeah. So that's why she joined. Like, you got a big fight coming? Mhmm.

Jim:

Yeah. We don't know what it is. That's fine.

T.C.:

That's fine. Yeah. It's not like a drunken Valkyrie like in It's it is Oh, that really

Jim:

that was Valkyrie's motivation there too, wasn't it?

T.C.:

No. Valkyrie was just like drunkenly ashamed that she she'd failed her her her duties. Mhmm. Having Sif just be like, I've been I missed out on the battle that saved the universe. I'm looking for any fight to make me feel good about what I can do.

Jim:

Something like that. Yeah. What what do you think of that?

T.C.:

I like that motivation getting her attached to these people. I'm not quite sure. If if we're still gonna do this sort of mission chapter by chapter, if Rick Ryder drops them off at a space barge, and there's Lady Sif who's like, hey, did I hear something? This kid was talking about a space battle. I don't that's not I'm in.

Jim:

That's not really what's going on your

T.C.:

I said I'm It could That's a better

Jim:

Sif energy.

T.C.:

There's a better way to do that. That is Sif energy. There's probably a little more nuanced way to doing that of getting her tash as opposed to, like, and I'm here too.

Jim:

Yeah. That has unfortunately sort of been her her appearances. Poor Sif.

T.C.:

Yeah. The I think of, like, Guardians of the Galaxy is the best example of building a team as you go Mhmm. Of of unfortunate collaborate like, we have to be working together because of this, that, and the other. And, you know, whatever. If we if if peep we've done this similar situation before.

T.C.:

We're like, are we just replicating this?

Jim:

We're not. We're not. We're not. The Guardians of the Galaxy was a bunch of people who were trying to who were not friends, were trying to eliminate each other. Yeah.

Jim:

And they came together in prison. Mhmm. Their prison break is what brought them together. Oh. And through that, that was their

T.C.:

When

Jim:

That was their Yeah. Strangely their unifying event.

T.C.:

When Nova shows up and is doing his whole space cop thing, is that a place for Peter Quill to show up and be like, hey, man. I'm the I'm the sheriff in these here parts.

Jim:

I forgot about that thread. I feel like that thread is gonna be answered in Doomsday.

T.C.:

Okay. Okay. I'm I'm fine not using Peter. I like the more we use, like, the lesser of the characters, the better. Do are we gonna see Strange again at all?

T.C.:

Like, he came and Mordu kinda chased him away in our Chased

Jim:

him away there. I don't know if he has a reason to appear around the celestial. He should appear at least once more. Does he appear at the Well Should we go see what he's doing? What's he doing?

T.C.:

What's he doing in the dark dimension? Yeah. Because I wouldn't be I wouldn't kings

Jim:

the kings taking over realities one thing that's not ever talked about Mhmm. Is they don't just, like, jump into the world and say, I'm the king that, like, they're have they're gonna have power. They're gonna have dark dimension powers. Mhmm. So it's possible what he's doing that like, the kangs are looking to stage an ambush or or or a raid.

Jim:

Yeah. Essentially, an invasion.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

And they're gonna do it starting at the tribunal. Starting where the celestials are, they're gonna ambush them. Mhmm. And one of the places they could be staging that is the dark dimension. I wouldn't mind seeing a b plot.

Jim:

If we see Strange early, and then we split off and see his Mhmm. Side quest. I don't wanna see too much of it. Because because right. Because I feel old.

Jim:

I guess depends on what it is. I don't wanna reveal the end to her.

T.C.:

Yeah. Maybe he just we stick with the Gandalf metaphor, he's like, I'll fill you in later, but I gotta go. But if that if the exotic location with the crystal is where Mardo shows up and they scuffle it out and head their own way Mhmm. It's like, alright. Let's get out of here while the Gitten's good.

T.C.:

Mhmm. Wizard will come back. He's not a wizard. He's a sorcerer. Same thing.

T.C.:

Getting to the Adamantium fight with the Atlanteans and the 10 rings one more time, and then Riot Rick Rider showing up, and Nova trying to cop it up and realizing our doodad is only speaking to what what is that? That is Mhmm. That's a celestial communicator, and it's only communicating with you? We need to get off planet now before that thing calls something here again. Do you do you know the last time the the mess a celestial appearing in the sky did?

T.C.:

We can't have that

Jim:

Yes. I was here.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. I saw it too.

Jim:

Right there. Yeah.

T.C.:

No. The one that was in space and came out yeah. Yeah. We had more than one celestial issue. We get it.

T.C.:

Yeah. We need to go. Does Rick is he where's his destination? Get her off planet, but take her where? Is he gonna follow the celestial signal,

Jim:

or is he That was that was that why why it was that's that was my intention. Mhmm. Whatever it's communicating to Sharon, either she's getting this message but has no way of following up on it

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

And Nova is sort of the way to do that, or she doesn't know what it's saying, and he does. And he's like, oh, crap. That's an important thing. A plot device.

T.C.:

It's a literal plot device. Yeah. Getting us off it gets us off planet.

Jim:

Like right. Because it wouldn't it wouldn't be a congratulations. You're the grand winner. Yeah. Come get your prize.

Jim:

If it was if it was an SOS, why wouldn't Sharon just say, go ahead? What why would the actual recipient of the message need to go?

T.C.:

Yeah. It's a it's a Jim Hawkins treasure

Jim:

planet choice. Jury summons.

T.C.:

It's a it's a Jim Hawkins treasure planet scenario where she's the only one who knows how to operate the darn thing. Or is Flash the only one who knows how to operate the damn thing because the symbiote's telling them what to do? What's the hand doing? What is my hand doing to this thing? Oh, it did a map thing.

Jim:

That's not the worst.

T.C.:

So then if Ryder's like, I'm taking the kid, then Sharon's like, the hell you are. You're taking both of us. A kid I'm I'm that kid's my responsibility now. Stop calling me a kid. I'm literally in my twenties.

T.C.:

You're a kid.

Jim:

Maybe? That's That's what do you think of that?

T.C.:

That flips it.

Jim:

You you said it, so you probably think it's good. Yeah.

T.C.:

All the ideas are great.

Jim:

It yeah. It does flip it, but that's okay. Yeah. I Nova wouldn't care if she's he's he's my respond.

T.C.:

Okay. I mean, it's fishy if or he's like, yeah. You can come with me, pretty lady.

Jim:

Yeah. Is that is that true?

T.C.:

Is that who Nova is? No. Because it makes him too much like Star Lord. Ma'am ma'am, I I have a job to do, and I take it seriously. Especially if he's the only Nova Corps member left.

T.C.:

Like, he keeps talking that he's part of actually, it should be that. Because then him and and Sharon have something in common. They are

Jim:

Oh, nice.

T.C.:

The last agents of nonexistent organizations, and they are trying to pretend like there's they still have the responsibility of the organization they no longer have.

Jim:

Okay. And there there could actually that could be the confrontation. Like, well, I'm I need to go. This isn't your concern. I will take care of it.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

And she could because, hey. I just gave a whole speech, like, fifteen minutes ago to this kid. Yeah. I'm not I'll be damned if I let anything endanger this planet. I'm coming with.

Jim:

Yeah.

T.C.:

So then they hoof it off planet.

Jim:

And then doctor Strange, someone say damned?

T.C.:

Do do you wanna add Sif to the mix, so we can use her in the final battle?

Jim:

I don't mind. I I feel like if we do that, she will die. Because I feel like her motivation at that point, she wants to die.

T.C.:

She wants to die. We we tend not to kill characters, so it's true.

Jim:

So okay. If we really need, it feels late to like like, it feels late to tack on a thing that we then have a whole scene of showing her enter Valhalla Yeah. And and Heimdall and Jane are waiting.

T.C.:

Hey. Welcome. You too. No. No.

T.C.:

Zach Levi's not here.

Jim:

We're not gonna go back, are we? No. No. We're done here.

T.C.:

We're done here.

Jim:

Done here. We're all gonna stay here. It's fine. Our story is told.

T.C.:

Yeah. Look over wink the camera. Yes. She dies. Although Thor and Hercules, we're just gonna like, I'm just looking at some of the other things that are left on the table here.

Jim:

Thor and Hercules Oh, wait. Thor and Hercules, that'll be explained in our fifth movie. No. No. Which maybe we should save Sif for.

Jim:

No. Our fifth our fifth Thor.

T.C.:

We introduce Sif fighting Hercules. He doesn't even get to fight Thor. She's she's kicking his ass.

Jim:

I don't hate this idea.

T.C.:

And that's that's how we introduce her into wherever they wherever they like, I hate to use space bar to to have like a a way station that they go to.

Jim:

Guardians of Galaxy did it.

T.C.:

It's fine. They literally crash into the side of Nova's ship. Like, this they, like, cross paths with the fight. It might be a little too deus ex machina, but they're gods, so it's okay. It's a little god in a machine.

T.C.:

Yeah. We're we're litrifying.

Jim:

Well, it it's that's Deus in Machina?

T.C.:

Deus. Deus from the machine. It's in the having having her kicking Hercules ass and sending him home crying, and now we have Sif.

Jim:

That's not bad. Right? They're like, and you think you're gonna fight Thor.

T.C.:

Go home to daddy.

Jim:

Because if I remember right, she's she only has one arm at this point.

T.C.:

Oh, that's right. When did that happen?

Jim:

That happened that it happened off screen in Love and Thunder when they find her.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah.

Jim:

Right? Because she's she's there with the dead that dead god, that that big dead god.

T.C.:

Oh, yeah.

Jim:

Yeah. And she and she had lost her arm. That's right. I I think Gore had taken her arm. Yeah.

Jim:

She she barely escaped.

T.C.:

Damn. Poor love and thunder. I completely forgot that Sif was in it. Yeah. She kicks Hercules' ass.

T.C.:

She joins the arm. I can kill I kicked her ass with one arm. Hey. Maybe losing my arm won't be so bad if I'm as cool as her. Or or is

Jim:

she gonna have a space Asgardian arm? Yeah. Like a like a a a metal Like a Bucky?

T.C.:

Like a Winter Soldier arm? Yeah. But from space. So the the map that the doodad that only Flash can activate because of the symbiote takes them to the Celestial Tribunal. Yep.

T.C.:

There's I'm gonna I'm hand waving to get to it to get the to finale here that they show up. How do we launch into Kangs versus our heroes under the watch of the Celestials? And do we add the inter Eternals into this mix?

Jim:

I think I well, I wanted to add the Eternals that were out in space Sure. To this.

T.C.:

Sure.

Jim:

Yeah. And I wanted this to be the resolution of Cersei's trial.

T.C.:

Mhmm.

Jim:

Right? Because that that I don't think was even mentioned as one of the things.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah.

T.C.:

So what

Jim:

if the message being sent Mhmm. Isn't from the celestials out in space. Mhmm. It was the last dying message of this one being born here on Earth. Oh.

Jim:

And what it was is it was essentially a prophecy. It was a warning. Hey. The kangs are coming to get you. Okay.

Jim:

But, you know, in celestial Yeah. Poppy. Poppy. And so it's a message that needs to be delivered.

T.C.:

Okay. I I don't I don't mind that.

Jim:

And so when they get there, those the Celestials are like, who are you? What are you doing here? We got a message from dead one. Like, we don't believe you or whatever. We were busy doing judgy stuff.

Jim:

Yeah. So then they're all like, no. You don't it it says this is happening. Someone maybe that's where Strange comes back. And Strange because Strange has a better idea of what's going on.

Jim:

No. You don't understand. There's a multidimensional thing happening. The that's why the freaking slime's going crazy.

T.C.:

Yeah. Because it's it is multidimensional. Multidimensional. Yeah.

Jim:

And, basically, it's doing the equivalent of of of a cat raising the hair on its back. Yeah. So a a strange will show up and give the exposition of what's happening, and the tribune will be like, no. You're crazy. Oh, no.

Jim:

You were right. As kings invade.

T.C.:

Big big fight. Here here's something I'll add with it's sort of a it would be insert y look over there kind of thing, cracks in the universe, very doctor who, Matt Matt Smith era Mhmm. Of the cracks of the the Kang cracks in the universe. We see, like, little hints of that. I wanna suggest this.

T.C.:

The message to be delivered, I like the notion that it's a warning of the Kang's coming, the trial of Circe is why would you sacrifice your duty and celestial for this planet? You you are on trial to account for why you protected these people.

Jim:

Why you stopped being what the robot that you were meant to be?

T.C.:

And suddenly delivering the message are humans. I don't know how we we rope Rick Rider into this, but Sharon and and Flash particularly Sure. Are showing up. Okay. It to the celestials are witness bearing witness to these people from Earth have come all the way here to stop the threat of the crushing multiversal Kang army.

T.C.:

And then Doctor Strange is a third human from Earth that basically proving, without realizing it, Circe's argument of why this planet is worth saving and existing and instead of destroying is because these people are literally traveling across the galaxy to not just protect their own planet, but to protect all planets. They are much more protectors and saviors of the universe than even you are, celestials.

Jim:

Oh, throwing it back at them. You're the one on trial. We're not on trial.

T.C.:

This whole courtroom's out of order. So that when the if the celestials are ready to pass judgment and then the last bit of evidence shows up and saves the day, it's enough for the celestials to go, you're not guilty. We we will not punish you for protecting the planet and its people the way you did because, ultimately, you made the right choice because they have now proven worthy of saving the galaxy, not once, not twice, but if things go the way they're going now, they'll have to do it a third time. And so that basically, that's the Danema epilogue or the Danima of the of the falling action of

Jim:

I did remember that right.

T.C.:

Okay.

Jim:

I think it's awesome that we're taking agent Venom to space Yeah. Because agent Venom is eventually, he he's on Guardians of the Galaxy.

T.C.:

Oh, cool. So in our final battle of Agent Venom, he's fully embraced Sharon using whatever tech she's collected along the way, including cross tech, Ultron tech, what have you.

Jim:

Oh, I know how to get Star Fox and Lucky Charms or I don't remember all the characters' names.

T.C.:

The Eternals.

Jim:

How to get them involved? They do go to Spacebar or or or they have to go to Spacebar because Sif and Hercules fight, which crashes into their ship Damaged

T.C.:

the ship.

Jim:

Messes up their ship. They have to go to a planet. And Sharon using her powers rather than just being, and I'm along for the ride. She at least gets to do a thing here. Broker a deal.

Jim:

She brokers a deal. She makes trades there to get their well, they need a new ride. Mhmm. Nova's ship is broken. That's where Star Fox shows up.

Jim:

Y'all need a ride. I don't know why that's why he

T.C.:

because that's what Star Fox said in the Mario Galaxy movie. He's the ship that they end up recruiting. He's he's the Han Solo. Right. And now I'm

Jim:

just gonna turn him into the Han Solo here. What what that might be too much. I don't I don't know. But I I wanted to do another thing where Sharon Brokers a deal. Is pivotal.

T.C.:

Yeah. I think having her I like the idea that Sif and Hercules ruin their ship. They end up on this location, and then they have to negotiate for another ship. And and We can see Howard. Yeah.

T.C.:

Howard the duck again.

Jim:

And Darcy. We make we can make a bunch more threads that that don't get followed up on.

T.C.:

Oh, no. Getting to the final fight, Sharon, Flash, as agent Venom now, if we bring Sif along, having Doctor Strange, the four of them, and Rick Rider, so five. So we have our team of five kicking ass.

Jim:

With a few Eternals in tow.

T.C.:

Yeah. A few Eternals in tow. Even if the Eternals are, like, chained up and unconscious throughout this, that only Cersei gets to be awake through it all. That the the rest of them have been deactivated, so they actually are just there but not utilized.

Jim:

Well, that's an interesting notion. You don't want them helping? I do. There's a lot of Kangs. They're quite powerful.

T.C.:

It's true. I it's it unlocking everyone and having them kick some ass, it does potentially demand us wrapping all that up in the after the climax is done, where it's like, wow. Good fight, everyone. And you. And you.

T.C.:

And you. And you. You. Right? It's a lot to juggle in the end.

T.C.:

I'm not saying it's impossible, but having Eros in there, Star Fox

Jim:

and Yeah.

T.C.:

Yeah. And Pip, I think, this little guy's name. Having them there and

Jim:

Star Lord for some reason.

T.C.:

Right. Now we leave Star Lord Star Lord out of it. Maintaining our five characters, I think, is best for the fight, but activating the Eternals, like reactivating them so they get to fight, I don't mind it.

Jim:

I mean, it it's not it wouldn't be set piece stuff. It would be that they'd be flying around in the background shooting lasers

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

At Kangs who are also flying around shooting lasers.

T.C.:

Side comment, if you didn't watch Marvel Zombies, one of the coolest things they did was Captain Marvel versus Apollo. Yeah. Holy cow. Yeah. That's cool.

T.C.:

Yeah. Was. Anyway, big big fight fight, they just kick a bunch of Kang's asses. Mhmm. Now in order for that threat of the kings to truly be fulfilled, we do need to seed in them as a threat.

T.C.:

And that's probably where we cut back and forth from doctor Strange, just so that the threat isn't and now here's your final threat. Here's your final boss. Beat them.

Jim:

But that's how I play video games. Right. No. Yeah. But heavy You're you're right.

T.C.:

Maybe it's doctor Strange and Clea if we wanna involve both of them. You know what? Let's do this. I say yes.

Jim:

We don't Yeah. She she can be there.

T.C.:

I wanna do a full b plot with doctor Strange, Clea, and Mordu After they confront have their confrontation and slip off into the dark dimension Okay. The three of them have a side a b plot that wraps back up on the celestial tribunal so that they're all involved with the fight in the end, and we can wrap up Mordo trying to kill wizards and Clea, what were they doing in the dark dimension the whole time? We wrap up all three of those threads.

Jim:

Okay. I do think I do think we should remove his third eye. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yes.

Jim:

Yeah. And that can actually be one of the big contentions that Mordu like, Mordu keeps making this point, like, look at you. Oh, you say you're doing the right thing. But you've corrupted yourself. Yeah.

Jim:

You you've taken the dark hold into yourself. When you knew it was wrong. Oh, so yeah. Yeah. Mordu gets it out of him.

T.C.:

He's he, like Oh, he convinces him to get he's like, abandon it. If you're truly as as as good as you are, abandon it, and maybe Mordu accepts it as sort of like

Jim:

Would that be something he would do?

T.C.:

To destroy it. Sorry. Let's have Mordu destroy the third eye and the Darkhold and and all that, maybe? Maybe. Just so that he, like, fulfills his promise of, like, I'm gonna kill all wizard kind.

Jim:

I don't know if he would accept like, the I like most of this. I don't think he would stop, like, the moment Steve's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Take the third eye. Doop.

Jim:

There you go. Mhmm. You can get rid of the dark hold. Bye. Like, no.

Jim:

He's like, well, no. I'm still gonna kill you. No. No. Should have happened.

T.C.:

Just I I think there's a b plot to be to develop there so when we get into the finale We have at least

Jim:

we have three wizards. I'm seeing that.

T.C.:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Sorcerers.

T.C.:

Three sorcerers kicking some ass with our ragtag group of heroes, reactivate the the capable Eternals who haven't been dismantled by the tribunal.

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

The the Celestials just observe the war, the battle, and in the

Jim:

end, the hero's win. So okay. And the Eternals, Cersei, has been acquitted? Yeah. Is that the word?

Jim:

Yes. Does that mean okay. So oh, so you broken Eternal are correct. Do they dismantle all the other eternals? Or are they like, okay.

Jim:

We'll leave that planet alone. We're gonna keep making more celestial babies? Or

T.C.:

maybe part of the epilogue

Jim:

change it, like, now we're gonna we're gonna destroy all of the Eternals. Or No. Or am I thinking too hard about this?

T.C.:

You might be thinking too hard about it. You're free to go, Circe. Good job. Yeah. And we can have in our epilogue her and Dane reunite since they were sweet on each other.

T.C.:

Dane Wittman, Black Knight. They were Smoochie. That's right.

Jim:

Yeah. That's right.

T.C.:

Before she got kidnapped. And then our heroes return to Earth.

Jim:

But With no one the wiser.

T.C.:

With now full agent Venom. Yep. And and and he

Jim:

And it it could even do a thing like it's basically doing a part agent Venom backwards. Mhmm. But get back to Earth, and he's like, cool. What's next? And she's like, you if this is a thing, you need training.

T.C.:

So you work with me.

Jim:

I don't have the time. Yeah. Go into the military. Go get your military training.

T.C.:

Nah. I I I don't know about that. I like the idea of her being like, you work with me now. I can't I if I yeah. I'm you're part of my you're part of my team now.

Jim:

Cool.

T.C.:

Yeah. There's, like, the idea of them staying partners or subordinate to authority. And then and and then the Celestial say, I'd I'd said it's before that they, well, they did it once, they did it twice, and they may have to do it a third time if things proceed as they are. And then Sith dies. Mhmm.

T.C.:

Yep. Do we kill any of the Eternals? Does this seems like, hey. Here they are. They're dead.

T.C.:

Probably don't wanna do that.

Jim:

No. Rick Rider? I I suppose that right. It oh. There's different notions of what it means to have a thread be open and to just let a character live.

Jim:

Well,

T.C.:

if Nova Corps need to be if Nova Corps needs to be rebuild rebuilt, maybe that's what Rick Ryder's epilogue is, is if we have any if the if our Eternal characters are still, like, needing something to do, he'd be like, well,

Jim:

I'm trying cops.

T.C.:

Come be we could use we could use your talents in the Nova Corps. Sure. And then where does doctor Strange go? That's our last hanging thread here. I mean, of the many threads we didn't tie up, this is the one mean.

Jim:

He he got back to doing what he does. Yeah. Just disappeared, like, stay good.

T.C.:

He just screamed golden, back bony boy.

Jim:

Bash into the dark or back into the the the dark realm.

T.C.:

He can bring them home. Here. I'm gonna bring you back Earth. Let's get back to Earth.

Jim:

You know what? I I wanna leave agent Venom a little not not more open more open to following his stories in the comic. Mhmm. So I think at the end of it all, there there could be a whole Nova's like, you did good, kid. Won a job.

Jim:

Like, when

T.C.:

he's Yeah.

Jim:

Trying to recruit anyone, and he's like, no. I think I wanna go back to my home planet. Yeah. Yeah. And and and even Sharon could be like, you did good.

Jim:

Do you wanna join me? I'd I don't know. I think I I wanna follow in Spider Man's footsteps a little more. Something like that.

T.C.:

Yeah. So

Jim:

that Have him go home.

T.C.:

I like that.

Jim:

And and and not not a full reset. Right? Because he still has Let's take him back to one.

T.C.:

Yeah. If we start with the goo and Flash, we end with the goo and Flash. That, like, that he just had this big grand adventure. He he got to live a superhero life for

Jim:

a cup a week. Yeah. He got he got to go to space.

T.C.:

Yeah.

Jim:

Bet Spider Man never did that. Yeah.

T.C.:

Spider Man's not so great. I'm over it. My hero worship's done, and I didn't lose my arm.

Jim:

Selfie in in the symbiote.

T.C.:

Roll credits. Alright, Freddie. How did we do? We did not tie all these loose ends up. Yeah.

T.C.:

We didn't get

Jim:

I don't know how many we got.

T.C.:

But we hit a hell a hell of a lot of them.

Jim:

Whoo.

T.C.:

This is a big one. Yeah. And what a what a random group of of story elements that we had to figure out what to do with.

Jim:

That was fun.

T.C.:

And I don't think this is like this is a good, like, framework. We could we would definitely have to build and expand on certain things. We we kinda discussed set pieces

Jim:

Mhmm.

T.C.:

And, like and then we link it this way and whatnot, but and certainly some rough around the edges introductions. And yeah. But but as far as skeletons go, this one's got strength to it. So maybe adamantium skeleton of sorts.

Jim:

But Were you building to that the whole time?

T.C.:

I was not. Okay. It literally that's that improv. That's that improv skill right there. But I do think we're gonna end the episode here.

T.C.:

How did we do? Freddie t from On The Edge Studios. You gotta let us know. If you think we did it right, if you don't, you gotta let us know. You can reach us out to us at studio demands it dot com on Instagram, or our website.

T.C.:

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Jim:

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T.C.:

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T.C.:

That's a part of the front end of this. And we have commentary tracks. And, yeah, like I said, you can also just show some love by subscribing for free. A massive thank you to David and our network here. The it's there's some wonderful shows like another Zelda podcast, another Pokemon podcast.

T.C.:

Check out any number of those if you want, if you're into that sort of thing. But, Jim, I know you have many more things to say, but I'm gonna wrap it up here for this episode. Do you have anything else you wanna add right before we walk away here? No. Great.

T.C.:

That's it, folks. Let us know what you thought. We'll be back again soon to take on one of your demands and challenge ourselves to do what we do. I'm T.C. And I'm Jim.

Jim:

And that is the end of

T.C.:

a Studio

Jim:

Demands we met. That we do

T.C.:

All the time, y'all. Did it. And there you go. Boop.