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Digication Scholars Conversations...
Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll.
In this episode, you'll hear part one
of my conversation with Tina Abate,
Clinical Assistant Professor and
Coordinator of the Nursing Student
Internship Program in Stony Brook
University's School of Nursing.
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conversation can be found on Digication's
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Conversations can be found on
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Welcome to Digication
Scholars Conversations.
I'm your host, Kelly Driscoll, and today
I am so pleased to welcome Tina Abbate.
Tina is a clinical assistant professor
and coordinator of the Nursing
Student Internship Program in Stony
Brook University's School of Nursing.
Welcome, Tina.
Thank you for having me.
Absolutely.
So, Tina, I would love to start our
conversation today just learning
a little bit about what brought
you to Stony Brook University.
It's such a beautiful, unique
area and institution, so I
would love for our listeners to
learn a little bit about that.
Sure thing.
So, I was born and raised, um,
on Long Island, and I started
my nursing career at Stony Brook
University Hospital in Nicolls.
Um, then around 2006, I, uh, decided to
go back to school, to graduate school.
So, I was, uh, lucky enough to
be awarded a fellowship program
at Binghamton University.
So, Um...
I lived there from 2006 to 2015, so
I graduated with my doctorate in 2015
and it was time to head back home.
So um, a position opened at Stony Brook
University School of Nursing and I was
very honored to accept it and I've been
there for eight years now and I love it
and I just see myself retiring from there.
It's just Just an amazing place to work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a really special school.
I, I had the opportunity to visit the
campus a few times and Oh my gosh, I still
remember this adorable little bed and
breakfast that was close to an area where
you could walk by the water, although I'm
sure there's a lot of areas where you can
walk by the water, but it was so gorgeous.
There are all these waterfall and I
got to enjoy the sunset there, so I
have happy memories of my time visiting
this school and I don't know if you
know this, but Digication's actually
been, uh, working with SBU since 2007.
So, it's been a very long history,
and, uh, you're our first guest from
Stony Brook University, so I'm very
excited to, to have you on the podcast.
And, um, I was interested, you know,
can you recall when your passion
for healthcare started to emerge?
Was there someone in your life or,
um, maybe an experience that you
had that was an inspiration to you?
Yeah.
In high school, actually.
Okay.
I, I knew, I knew, I knew I wanted to
do something where I was helping people.
I just wasn't sure where
I was going to land.
Um, in that regard, but, um, I
had originally wanted to be a
pediatrician, so our high school had
a program where you could shadow a
doctor for the day, and, um, I spent
the bulk of that day with a nurse.
And I said, wait a minute,
um, this is what I want.
I want that, uh, interaction with
patients, um, like nurses do.
And so I pursued my bachelor's degree from
Binghamton, um, in Nursing, and it really
is a phenomenal career, a profession to
be in because we have so many different
options, um, you don't even have to be
at the bedside or working with patients.
There are so many roles, um, that you
can have within the nursing profession.
It's just that dynamic.
So, you know, I feel very lucky that,
um, I had that experience because it
really guided me to my present day.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so tell us a little bit about
your time in the Nicoll as well.
I'm sure that that was very special and
what was it that kind of made you shift
and get more involved in, in teaching?
So, um, my goal was never really to teach.
When I pursued my doctorate, I,
I got into the BS to PhD program
and, um, my, my research was very,
uh, neonatal ICU, um, focused.
I did my dissertation on, on
gastroschisis, um, so I was
heading down more of a, a clinical
research type of background.
Um, but then, uh, in 2007, I was asked,
uh, to teach a clinical group to bring
a group of students to the Nicolls
and, um, you know, being a graduate
student, it was financially difficult
at the time and they were offering me
wages and I said, okay, absolutely.
So I brought students to the Nicoll
and, um, just something came over me.
It was just as if I had met
my professional soulmate.
Like, it was like that deep, like,
I said, What's happening here?
Like, I, it It was a complete
departure from what my goals
were because I was also thinking
hospital administration and things.
So I continued to ask
for teaching assignments.
And I just, uh, I fell in head over
heels and it's really just, it's become
part of my core being at this point.
So and I've been teaching
now for 16 years.
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
So we have, um, uh, an
interesting connection, uh,
that I wasn't expecting today.
One of the children that I adopted
was actually born with gastroschisis.
And I'm not even probably
pronouncing it correctly.
It's a big work.
Wow.
Yeah.
But, um, he was in the Nicoll,
um, for almost two months.
Um, I did not, I hadn't met him
yet at the time, but learning about
that, it's just incredible what
modern medicine can handle, really.
And what babies can
handle too because Right.
They, they, they are my goalies.
Resilient.
Yeah.
beings ever.
And yeah, I just have the most
love and respect for babies, uh,
that will always be part of me.
Um, so that's incredible what
they endure, but still persevere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, they are, I mean,
they arise here, made to.
Survive, really.
I mean, it is definitely just built in.
They require a lot of care and
attention, but they are still,
yeah, lighty, lighty little being.
It's more about light.
I hope he's okay.
Yes, he's wonderful.
I'm glad.
Yes, yes.
Thank you for asking.
Yeah, he's doing great.
Um, so circling back to, uh, The
School of Nursing and Digication,
so do you know when the School of
Nursing started using Digication?
Were you a part of that or was
it something that was already
integrated when you joined?
At least in the undergraduate program,
um, I had introduced it, I would
say about 2018 or so, um, as part
of the leadership and management
courses in the undergraduate program.
Um, so I would say about 2018.
Okay, great.
Yeah.
And I know more about what you were doing,
you know, a little bit, not, I'll know
more in a few minutes, but I know more
about what you were doing within the, um,
kind of student internship program, but I
would love to hear if, you know, if you're
still utilizing ePortfolios and other
kinds of courses and experiences as well.
Um, so it sounds like you may have been
one of the early users of ePortfolio
technology within the School of Nursing.
And was it that management
course that was where it began?
Correct!
Okay.
And did it have any kind
of, um, connections to
accreditation or assessment?
Because I know, in some other healthcare
related fields, that's sometimes how
this kind of technology gets, um,
gets incorporated into the curriculum.
Um, and other times it's more
focused on providing a space for
the students to really tell their
story about their experiences.
So I was kind of curious how it might have
Um, maybe first started and if there's
been any kind of evolution since it began.
Absolutely.
Um, it had just started really with
them, uh, developing a resume because
we have student learning objectives
that in this course, um, and the
formal term is, uh, transitions
into baccalaureate nursing practice.
Okay.
Um, I just call it leadership and
management for short, but it's basically
bridging that journey between student
and baccalaureate prepared nurse.
Um, so the course focuses, um, in part on
developing your career, putting your best
foot forward, and we have starting student
learning outcomes that pertain to that.
So it started with a resume and
then I decided to take it a step
further with our RN to BS students.
Now these are students that have their
two year RN degree and they're pursuing
their four year baccalaureate degree.
So in the course, not only do they
develop their resume, but they
also develop this e portfolio.
As part of the course and
part of their course grade.
Nice.
Nice.
So as they're coming in, you know, at
these different kinds of levels in their,
um, kind of education and professional
pursuits, how, how are you introducing
them to this type of technology and maybe
how it may differ from other kinds of.
tools that they're using either at
school or when they're in the field.
So, um, I ha...
We have them get into the education
program sooner than later, even though
the, uh, assignment is due at the end.
And we provide them a lot of guidance,
um, and we have, uh, a very prescriptive,
prescriptive rubric that details what they
should be including in this ePortfolio
so that they can start collecting their
materials and, um, they, part of their,
the points earned are also visual appeal.
Because you can have just a
straightforward, um, ePortfolio,
which is fine, but to have a little
bit more visual appear and flair
to it, I think is very helpful.
So that's, you know, they want to earn
the top-tier points for each category
that includes some sort of visual appeal.
It doesn't have to be anything crazy, but,
um, you know, something just to make it
a bit more appealing as you look at it.
Um, so they also get, um, resources
on how to access, uh, you know, Bring
them to the tutorials that you provide.
Um, I also have some screenshots
of my own and then of course I can
reach out to Digication or myself
for any, um, you know, it takes a
little, this definitely a learning
curve with any platform that you use.
So, um, once they get the hang
of it, then, then they're fine.
Oh, good.
Glad to hear that.
And I know.
As we've been developing Digication
over time, we really have had a focus
on making it something that can be
personalized and, um, you know, giving
students the opportunity to present
who they are, not just, um, you know,
um, using it as a file repository and
I know in especially sometimes in more
healthcare oriented disciplines or any
kind of professional practice programs
they're often required to share you
know their experience and certifications
professional development opportunities
but very often other platforms are very
kind of form-oriented and very strict
in how that information is presented.
So do you feel like the students enjoyed
the opportunity to do something that
wasn't so form-oriented, even if there
was a little bit of a learning curve.
Did they find that that
was valuable to them?
Yeah, I think so because it,
Digication, uh, definitely is flexible
and gives you that levity to develop
something that can represent you.
Um, so I have seen some really,
I've graded some very amazing,
beautiful, it's almost like artwork.
You know, some of these, uh,
students really just go that
extra mile to create these, uh, I
would say ePortfolio art, I guess.
And you really can really, um,
understand and get to know the student
just by taking a journey through
their ePortfolio and, you know,
career development is so important.
Uh, in this course, they go
through a mock interview, um,
with someone that they don't know.
And, um, Actually, our mock interviewers
are a master of leadership and
education students, so they need
experience in interviewing, and, um,
the students as well, to get really,
uh, immersed and get some practice
in nursing profession-oriented
interviewing questions.
So the master's students interview
the RN students, the undergraduate
students, uh, for a fictitious job
and they can choose either a med surg.
position, uh, a leadership position
or applying to graduate school.
So the interview can have
one of those three foci.
I okay And then the students then go off
and meet with the Career Center one on
one and they get their resume tweaked by
them because they're, you know, really
the experts in resume development.
And, um, you know, the final
part of it is to put all of this
together into an ePortfolio.
They need something that will set
them apart from the, you know,
fellow candidates for a job that
they're pursuing or graduate school.
So I think, um, It's more of
a holistic type of approach.
Excellent.
Yeah.
And as they're building this out, um,
you know, you mentioned that the process
started with, with the resume and then
it sounds like it's evolved to include.
Other kinds of content that they've
created, maybe as part of your class, but
also other classes that they've taken.
Could you describe a little bit about what
kinds of things that they're including
within those ePortfolio pages now?
Um, maybe in addition to the, the resume?
So definitely the resume.
They have a welcome page where
they introduce themselves.
We encourage them to include a photo
and just give a brief description about
themselves and their, um, work history.
They can record it, get audio or they
can, you know, Do both narratives and
audio if they, they wish, um, they
put in their nursing philosophy, which
is constructed in a previous course.
So they take their nursing philosophy
and they present it as one of
their first tabs in the ePortfolio.
They also put in, um, their goals.
Where do they see themselves?
That's such a typical
interview question, right?
Where do you see yourself in five years?
So, that's housed in the ePortfolio and,
um, any certifications, professional
development, things like that.
And the last thing that they, um,
include is they do a poster presentation
in, um, the sibling course that we
have for leadership and management.
So, they put their professional
poster in there as well, where
they do like a hypothetical.
Um, EPP project that's
leadership oriented.
So they have, you know, a nice
display, a professional display
of one of their um, projects.
It's so much better than
uploading a paper, you know.
So this is just uh, a really
great thing to include in there.
So that's what they um,
have in their ePortfolio.
Nice.
So are they doing any kind of um, I know,
you know, as part of your roles, you're
coordinating the, um, the internship
program with the nursing students.
Are they pulling in any kind
of reflections or, um, maybe
materials about that kind of
internship experience as well?
I know they're not sharing, you know,
specifics about the, the patients and
things, but are they able to share?
Elements of what that kind of experience
was like for them in their ePortfolio.
Not at this point, but that is
definitely something to consider.
So right now I have this
assignment with our RN.
These are post licensure students.
This spring I'm bringing in, I
will be bringing in ePortfolios
to the pre licensure students.
Nice.
So, and in the internship I
have pre licensure students.
So they, these pre licensure students,
take transition into professional practice
as part of their last semester, just
like the RN students, um, and what I
see with that is, um, on their resume,
putting a QR code to their ePortfolio,
just like I recommend to the RN students.
Yeah, um, and they can, you know,
link out so that when they're
uploading their resumes and things,
um, for their job applications,
that QR code will be right there.
Yeah.
So, um, adding reflections, I
think, is a, is a great idea.
to have a tab like reflect
reflections of student nursing
or something to that effect.
Yeah, we've had some other programs that
have had a lot of success in using that
as a plate because so often when they go
You know, before they've had these kind of
field experiences or even, you know, maybe
having an experience with even a group
of other nurses, you know, there's things
that are being learned every day, right?
Yeah.
And having that space for them to, uh,
Um, you know, not just, you know, kind
of document the day to day, but you
know, there's these incredible kind of
light bulb moments that happen in those
kinds of experiences and it can be a
beautiful place for that to be recorded.
And I know sometimes they
keep that area private.
And may, um, you know, make decisions
about how they might like to craft
that to be shared with external
audiences later as part of that
more career oriented portfolio.
And, um, so if that's something
you're interested in pursuing, I'd
love to show you other examples.
So that you might get some ideas
about how to do that with your,
um, nursing students as well.
I think they'd really love that.
They'd enjoy it.
And you'll probably love reading them.
I love hearing those types of, um,
stories from students and it really
connects them to the profession even more.
Yes.
Yeah, yeah.
Um, and in terms of the kind of, uh,
interviewing process, if they've gone
through kind of crafting that narrative,
even if they're not showing that exact
page to the person interviewing, it'll
be kind of at the top of their resume.
mind and describing, you know, experiences
that they've had in the field too.
So we, we can chat more about that after.
That sounds good.
I love to see them used in any kind
of field experience, internships.
Um, I just think they're
such a great asset.
Um, but I was curious, so when you
started, you know, using this with the
students, and maybe it's something that
you kind of communicate to them now,
um, you know, from your perspective,
what kind of value do you feel like
The e portfolios give the students and
then what kind of value maybe does it
provide to the School of Nursing at
maybe, you know, during the time that
you're actually working with the students
and maybe even beyond that because
they do have access as alumni as well.
Yeah, which is very important.
So That they continue having this
access beyond their graduation date.
Right.
Well, like I said, career development
is so important for so many reasons,
but at the core, for me personally,
how I feel about career development is
I want them to land their dream job.
I want them to be offered their
dream job and their backup jobs.
Um, but I, if they are interested in.
The ER or another specialty area.
Those areas tend to be very
competitive and, you know, they're all
graduating roughly at the same time.
So there's competition for
these fellowship programs.
And, um, so I feel that they can land
their dream job that they have been
working towards for their entire program.
Then they're more likely to stay
and that could possibly impact
Turner, you know, turnover.
Retention.
So let's put them in a position
in the best position possible to
nail that job that they really
have wanted to pursue from day one.
So that maybe that they'll stay.
Right, right.
Because we do, we see our,
our, uh, turnover rate since
the pandemic has increased.
So we need to do some work pre pandemic,
but definitely now post pandemic, um,
in trying to curtail that turnover rate.
Because it does cost an
institution a lot of money to train
individuals and things like that.
So, you know, if they don't get that dream
job and they have to take their backup
job, there's going to be a turnover there.
You can almost guarantee
it, um, in these days.
So, yeah, yeah.
That's where I really feel career
development and giving them a
rounded opportunity to present
themselves is so important.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I was curious too, if they're ever
approached as, um, you know, almost as
advocacy tools for, for nursing and the
field, um, because they do, I think...
provide information about, you know, what
is at the heart of that individual and
why they are pursuing that as a career,
you know, as you were mentioning, you
know, it kind of became part of your core.
And your journey, you know, it
wasn't a straight path to, to where
you are now, but you wouldn't be
where you are now without having
had those prior experiences.
So you know, I was curious if the
students are, are sharing their
ePortfolios, um, with other students
as they're going through the program,
if they're sharing them with...
other, um, professors
that they're working with.
Do they get shared with any kind of
site supervisors that they might have?
What is, what is that process like?
Well, they have the opportunity
to share their ePortfolios in
any manner that they choose.
Um, but you know, I.
A resume only tells you the professional
aspect, the e portfolio pads, that
information with the personal aspect,
and we have many students that enter
the profession because they had a
history of some sort of cancer or
some sort of disease process that
put them in the care of nursing.
And that's why.
They became a nurse or a family
member or, you know, these stories
are just incredible to hear.
And, you know, I hear them
anecdotally, but to have them, you
know, housed if they're comfortable
with it in an ePortfolio that says,
this is why I'm pursuing nursing.
And I want to advocate for
the psychiatric patient.
I want to advocate for the
pediatric oncology patient.
You know, the ePortfolio
is the perfect place.
You can't really express that.
On a resume.
So it just takes that resume to
the next level by giving, you
know, the person who's reading
it some insight into this person.
Yeah.
So, you know, how they choose
to share it though is, you
know, based on an individual.
We don't have any strict
requirements on that.
Um, they don't do peer review.
I mean, just ePortfolio.
Um, but that is certain, certainly
something, um, I would consider for
the pre licensure students, right?
Yeah.
And maybe a part of that
internship experience.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Uh, do you know, you know, as part of,
um, the process, if they are choosing to
share them out, uh, maybe with potential
employers, you mentioned that You give
them advice on including the QR code.
Um, have you heard back from any students
about, you know, if they heard from a
potential employer that they looked at
their portfolio, or if there was something
about the process of putting the portfolio
together that may have helped them when
they got into that interview stage?
Not, not specifically ePortfolio oriented.
Um, I do get, um, emails and
correspondence from students after they
graduated saying I, I got the job that I
wanted, um, you know, and they'll offer
their gratitude for the course and all
the career development that we've done.
And that just, that feels so good, you
know, that I've got the job that they,
they want because you know, when we
look at turnover, um, and retention, all
of that trickles down to the patient.
Yeah, so having a facility with
low turnover and I'm not saying
ePortfolios is the cure for tur...
turnover or retention.
Oh, alright, yeah., but you know,
it could be part of how we can
keep, um Employees in one place.
Yeah, you know for longer,
um It's just a thought.
Yeah.
Yeah and finding that position that
is You know, a good fit for them
where they are at that point, right?
Um, and it may keep expanding from there,
but for, yeah, for them to be able to
get their dream job, as you mentioned,
uh, right when they graduate is, is huge.