Clear Comms Podcast

Join @CaptainCoach and @coach_mills as we sit down with @Piratekingmo and @CloudedRio to talk about the Marvel Rivals community and playing to win

What is Clear Comms Podcast?

A Marvel Rivals Podcast hosted by Coach Mills and CaptainCoach, two creator and educators for Marvel Rivals. We discuss all things Rivals including META, balance and the future of development. We will often debate controversial topics that surround the game and plan to bring on many exciting guests from pros to devs!!!

What's up guys and welcome to a brand new episode of ClearCom.

Today we got two special guests.

First off, the heavily, heavily requested Clouded Rio.

Thank you so much for coming by, man.

Thank you for coming on.

Awesome.

And then the recently minted rank one player in the world with shotgun only Punisher.

I don't even know how that's possible.

We got PirateKingMomo in the house as well.

Well, we're gonna figure it out.

We're gonna figure it out this episode, man.

How is it possible?

Yo, Rio, man, the most requested guest on this podcast by far, a lot of people been
wanting you on.

Why do you think that is?

Also, hey, Momo, what's up,

Hey Coach.

Yo, what's good, I don't know them dudes.

Oh, OK.

All right.

I don't know, bro.

I just be I just be saying stuff like, know, I think a lot of people think I'm new, but I
just be saying like whatever it is that just comes to mind.

And I guess it's because I just state things the way I do without trying to be
professional.

So it just comes off like that.

But that's just I don't know.

I don't know why they mess with me, bro.

But shout out to you.

Sorry.

I like it.

like it.

I mean, would you say you have like hot takes on the game or is more just like how you say
it?

cold takes, mid takes.

You know, there's a part time takes.

There's a lot of different takes, but I feel like it's just it's just because I probably
like a lot of players in the game go through the same thing and addressing kind of like

what players go through, because this I can speak freely.

OK, OK, because, you know, the community is pussy.

So it's like they they don't like.

There's like two to three different sides of the community way split up.

It's like the player that's trying to win, then the player that's just playing to have
fun.

And then the player that don't even know what's going on, but bought the skin anyway and
got off.

Right.

And the player that's trying to have fun will think that the player that's trying to win
is different than the player that's trying to have fun.

Like just a bunch of dumb niggas.

Like at the end of the day, like you can play to win.

and play to have fun all at the same time.

And this for just some reason separated.

But like places like Reddit, a bunch of like, you know, I'm saying weirdos are on there
and they'll gaslight you to make you think like that you're crazy with what your takes is

and what you're saying.

So I just say what people be thinking.

And I guess we just connect on that part.

Yo Mills, got a, you play to win or play to have fun with shotgun punny, bro?

the perfect person to be in a call with right now, Claudette Rio, because I have only had
fun for the last year, the whole year.

I played shotgun only Punisher and I have fun.

not it started as a challenge, but I finished it like the same day.

So I now it was like I just kept moving the goalpost because I had so much fun.

So now, you know, rank one, having fun like a like.

all about trying like the community just lazy.

It has a lazy mindset because I feel like it's so many casual people and the game is
disguised casually, but it's super competitive because that's a crazy floor, you know, and

then you have players that want to get to that ceiling and then you have those same
players mixed in with, you know, random niggas.

That's just like, hey, man, I'm just here to get hugs from Emma as Jeff, you know, so it's
like.

It's just a random mix and pool of players, so they don't get you.

where do you find that balance, right?

Because you have Momo here who's really good at the game and obviously has made a play
style that a lot of people would consider troll.

mean, I'm sure learning that play style, you probably maybe threw a couple of people's
games along the road.

we're all a little victim to that though.

maybe a little bit.

I haven't changed anything since I started really.

Like it's been almost the same zip lines, same smokes.

Yeah, those have been almost the same since.

Yeah, I literally, I only recently changed them like a few days ago.

I added like a few new ones because one of my viewers found some for me.

But what enabled me is I realized I don't want Emma Magg.

I want like...

dive tanks.

That was like the biggest shift.

I just started asking for different tanks and I started wanting more.

It's more like Spidey.

Like Jitward really inspired me when I was already doing it, but when I saw the Heat Hit
Rank one playing literally just inting in on Spidey, like doing the exact same thing I do

on Bunny, then I was like, yeah, well this works.

actually one of the things I wanted to ask you about.

I'm glad we're bringing it up now.

So you basically have these tactical deaths where you just kind of coin flip in garbage
time where nothing's happening.

And you did it even in a tournament for $40,000.

And I thought that was super ballsy of you.

And I'm like, I got it.

I understood why you were doing it.

And you would come to the team when you were doing it.

And it was like, damn, this is.

I kind of see it and I actually implemented a little bit of that into my play style.

I started doing these like backline dives.

It's like when nothing was happening because Hulk like Punisher has like a lot of the same
mobility, right?

I have literally not played Hulk at all, but I mean it sounds possible in Hulk.

It's just weird with tanks.

It sounds dumb, but tanks and supports can't get away with as much as DPS can.

Playing DPS, I'm allowed to get away with stupid shit all the time.

So my question was, how do you pick those moments when to just kind of go for those coin
flips?

on my tanks and depending on how fast my team will go back, just what tanks they are, what
supports they are, ah I know how fast I'll get back.

It's 10 seconds plus, depending on the map, two to five seconds.

So if I get back faster, I can spawn in.

I can let a Magneto spawn in.

He just spawned in and I can just die and still get back before him.

It depends on the tank.

kill trade's always worth it for a mag, for instance.

Yeah.

kill trade anything, like literally even like a Spidey is worth kill trading because he
has to use two zips to get back.

So when he gets back, he only has one zipline.

So he can't do any of the fancy new combos that like are kind of broken, if I'm being
honest.

If he can't do it, he can't do any of those fancy combos.

And he's just he's like really limited when he gets back.

I'm not my ziplines already replaced.

um So like literally killing everybody.

Okay, I got you.

Yeah.

Where do we draw the line with these types of play styles and people just kind of throwing
games so that maybe we'll talk about the throwing website?

Because I watched your video on that.

ah you talked to the Riot...

or Riot, jeez, I'm still in League of Legends mode after...

The Marvel Rivals devs.

You actually had a talk with them, right?

my first conversation started with them back in like November um when I started getting
into more so conversations through Twitch from being an ambassador.

And that's where all of that started to kind of like line things up.

And I'm a very bold person.

So I just basically be saying what comes to mind, you know, so I just kind of it started
there and then it kept trickling down the more I kept getting annoyed.

And so that's when it turned into that.

And I started just like expressing.

a little bit more rather than just like taking it from those uh marketing opportunities
into like regular conversations.

Was your meeting over, I guess, call then?

You just like Zoom called or text?

Just in the call.

Yeah.

So mine started.

I did this thing called the IRLN, which is like, you know, the thing with Twitch and they
fly us out to L.A.

and I do like a week's worth of recording.

that there and then through L.A.

I got in contact with the rivals team, which led up to the Oreo thing.

Yeah.

yeah.

Well, we played against each other in the tournament, actually.

The Oreo tournament,

But I've been working with Twitch for like 10 years, you know, so I got like, you know, a
lot of different connects and people there.

So that's how we kind of ran into each other.

But the question was playing for fun and playing kind of like how he plays.

Momo because he knows- knows what he's doing, but I'm sure a lot of people probably try
that stuff and it just doesn't work.

And then people are like, you're throwing.

I've been running to lot of Momo emulators all over the place.

They're everywhere, bro.

They're out.

You started a cult.

about it is, though, is like the Punisher shotgun is broken, right?

Just bar none.

It's just it's on some bullets.

Like when I look at Blade and I look at Punisher, I see nothing but disrespect.

I'll be like, bro, that's just crazy.

Right.

Like that is just that's just no like no respect is there.

But like the thing about it is, it's like it's broken because I can grab the Punisher and
push him with Angela, like spearing him, moving him out of position, and he can two tap

head shot me while being on the spear.

So it's like.

It just doesn't make no sense.

It's just BS.

But respectfully, the thing about it is that certain players, the problem with the game is
planned for fun and plan like Momo is a lot of players isn't planned to mechanically

improve.

Right.

A lot of them are playing with their brain off to just load in to go for another game and
go for another game.

So then you have players that are learning crazy things, but making it work because their
skill set is getting better.

Something that I said today, it's like.

I'm trying not to get mad.

It's something that I said today was

If I see somebody with an animated Moon Knight.

Bro, and you got 200 hours on Moon Knight and people will tell you, but animated Lord
doesn't mean anything.

So you can't make that a discussion as if somebody should know how to play money.

If you have 200 hours in any game, bum, you should mechanically get better in anything
that you're doing.

It doesn't make any sense.

Even if you're not trying to get better as a person, you just get better because you start
just learning things.

You start reacting a certain way.

So it's like.

The community just always have an excuse on why they aren't better, which is the whole fun
versus like trying to win competitive conversation.

Does the game...

yeah, go ahead.

add on to that real quick is playing to actually get better is like, the difference
between it is big.

Like just playing is a, can play a thousand hours and not get better right now.

Like I wouldn't move an inch, like you actually have to, it is weird.

him?

Wait, did he DC?

Wait, we just, we lost him?

I think we should probably wait.

Let me see.

Yeah.

Am I bugging here?

I think this is not working.

I really appreciate you coming on last minute Momo by the way.

Sorry about the last minute.

Super clutch.

doing nothing.

I wanted to plan a whole episode around you, but I was like, want you to get you on as
fast as possible because you just hit Weren't Gwon and I'm sure you have a lot to talk

about.

Mmm.

me see.

This froze.

Yeah, yeah, can cut it out.

okay I don't know if no worries those we just cut that out of snow

Sorry about that.

uh...

was less than you heard

Yeah, I heard you start the sentence.

You said playing to get better versus playing to improve.

playing playing.

Yeah, playing to improve and just playing the game is like, is a bit is like a big thing.

Like when I play less, I rank up more and I actually like improve more.

But when I'm just playing a play, like I don't actually improve.

I don't really think hours correlates to how good you should be because like for
Brawlhalla, I always played for fun.

had like 800 hours and I did not improve at all.

And then I spent 10 minutes in the practice range.

And like that 10 minutes was worth more than the first 800 hours of Brawlhalla.

I've been shit at Smash for 20 years, man.

like, yeah, you have to sit there.

have to lab shit.

It's like, you can get better just playing, but the amount of improvement you get from
loading in and playing to improve is big.

Yeah.

point though is like, feel like there's a lot of people that just do that where they just
mindlessly fucking play the game and then they, but they speak with authority about

balance and what the game should be or how the game should be buffed or nerfed.

it's like, y'all just playing the game just to, you you just kind of like mind crush
playing the game.

That's fine.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

What do you think about that,

I mean, what he said was, mean, I don't know if we debate on here.

OK, OK, OK, perfect, because I don't agree with him.

Right.

So the whole point is playing for 800 hours or to a thousand and not get better.

You got to have been in a special class because I don't know, like in what scenario and I
know we're being exaggerated a little bit, but no human should play that long and not

randomly improve even by accident.

Like the way how you approach things to have your brain off you mechanically react to
things sound cues no matter what it is and I come from fighting games.

I come from doing everything in fighting games professionally.

There's no way I'm playing a fighting game with a said character for 800 hours and not
improve.

It doesn't make any sense.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No, you're good.

I think you're both right.

I think maybe Momo, your point is like, or Rio, like you can improve, sure.

But like everybody else is improving too.

So it's like you're falling behind, right?

So I think, I definitely agree with Momo in that, like if you actively try to get better
and yeah, like go into the practice range, practice your combos and stuff.

Like I play Captain Falcon in Smash Bros and I know I'm bad.

I just don't have the time to get better.

usually when I play, it's just like once a week with my buddies and

they shit on me and sometimes I'll get a win and that's that and I'm like, okay, great, I
suck.

I really do think if you practice really hard at certain things, like deliberately do it,
I think you will improve.

I agree with that because you can practice trying to improve and those are completely two
different things.

But it's it's kind of like driving.

You're not trying to get better at driving, but you drive every day.

You just naturally get better.

You know what I'm saying?

That's the whole thing about it.

Once you do something repetitive motion, it's taught to you.

Once you have repetitive motion in anything that you do, even if you're not competitive,
you just naturally get better at it.

even without trying to improve in some way, shape or fashion.

And to add on to what coach said, that's true because you may not see that you're getting
better because everybody else is advancing so much faster, but you are improving, but

you're still currently around the same level, but you're better than you was four months
ago.

You know what I mean?

Just by playing the game.

Couldn't you develop bad habits,

You do a thousand percent thousand percent.

Yeah.

Because I think I mostly agree with you, but like to kind of play off Mumbo's point like
so I'm learning I'm doing I'm learning spider-man right now I'm trying to do an unranked

to celestial spider-man and I really fuck it suck at the character but when I I was just
spending the first few days just playing spider-man and like yeah I'm kind of getting a

little better but until I sat down and actually learned the combos like learn what the
character actually does like I would never gonna figure that out myself I'll never learn a

yo-yo combo by myself and it's impossible it's literally impossible to learn any of those
things

Just, you could play a thousand hours, you're not gonna figure it out yourself.

You gotta, you gotta actually learn it.

Like you gotta actually sit down and learn it.

Now, if you actually try, like try to sit down and learn it, you'll learn it.

like combos and stuff like that doesn't come to you from a thousand hours.

That's things that you have to go out of your way to instinctively look for, right?

So what comes with repetitive motion is game sense.

What comes with repetitive motion?

There's a lot of players out there that are bad, but they understand, but they can't react
to somebody who's mechanically better.

Like they're used to it.

They're like, oh, such and such is coming.

Or, I hear Namor, Mr.

Wetfoot coming around the corner.

Like they start developing certain cues and senses.

the things that naturally comes across because you have Momo who's rank one, who's a very
mechanically good player.

Then you have other players who are not mechanically good, but it's very sound and have
really good game sense, you know, so you develop things along the way.

Like what I'm saying is like it's impossible to not enhance and grow as you keep putting
time into something respectfully.

ah Yeah, I mostly agree with that, um but I think...

Damn, I forgot what I was gonna say.

That's crazy.

It was, uh, was, it was important.

Um.

like we could just pause this part like seriously no pressure if you want to like get your
thought If not, it's not a big deal Just give you give yourself a second playing to

improve us playing get better

Okay, yeah, okay, I got it now.

building Game Sense is like, know, playing more and more, you're gonna build Game Sense,
obviously.

uh One issue with that is in ranked games, the meta shifts between ranks and building that
Game Sense can fuck you into more ranks.

and it's like a bad issue because the boosting issue is also really big.

uh So like a bunch of top 500 players will be bored, they'll play with their friends, get
them to like,

high celestial, sometimes low eternity, and then just fuck off.

They don't kill with them anymore.

So now that person is in a rank they don't deserve to be in yet and it fucks them.

It fucks them and it fucks their team, especially supports because their alts, this is
kind of their fault because they need to learn how to use their alts, but it's also not

the game is super heavily reliant on support alts.

Like they matter too much as to the point where like,

Support will get blamed and it was their fault But at the end of the day they made a small
mistake and they pressed like they pressed Q a little early or a little late and it's like

it sucks that they're getting blamed for it but at the end of the day like you play this
game enough to know like that matters like that support all matters and it's like small

things like that can fuck you and Like building that game says over time is like nice, but
it does change it shifts heavily the higher you go in rank And then like even at the

highest rank

When the meta shifts, usually when the meta shifts, it's whatever the pros are playing
now, which is like something I take advantage of.

I don't play the meta.

So like they are so used to normal gameplay that like they don't know what the hell is
going on.

It's it's great.

of like the kryptonite to a lot of players who kind of just do the same thing every day,
game and climb, regardless of the rank.

My question to you is, do you suggest that people play down to their rank when they know
their opponents are worse?

Because I think a lot of people don't actually do that.

Yeah.

do it all the time unless I like really don't like someone on the enemy team.

Like if someone's shit talking, then I'll try a little bit because I will literally
yesterday.

No, no, I we know.

Never mind.

Either way, I was on my Spidey account the other day.

I suck at Spidey.

I used to be OK, but I suck at Spidey now.

I was playing Spidey and then someone was just like shit low trash can Spidey on the enemy
team.

So I like spawn held them.

was like, why would you like, just switched characters with my, all right, like if you
didn't say anything, I would have gone to in 13 and y'all would have won the game.

I don't know why you spoke.

So like, that's the only time I ever like really try when I'm on an alt account.

But most of the time it's like, if I'm on an alt account, there's a challenge to it.

There's something restricting it.

So I know I'm going to end up in the rank that I deserve on that character.

Like it's like, whatever I'm doing, I'm doing BP only.

If I'm stuck Celestial, I'm stuck Celestial or Spidey only or whatever, right?

So like I'll force the challenge 99 % of the time.

But like with Toothless is the only account I've never changed.

Like I will always play Punisher.

I'm not switching the name on that account.

I'm not doing anything.

I will always use Punisher.

No AR, not breaking the rules.

But every other account, like there's, don't care that much.

It's just for myself.

So.

my thing is I do some VOD reviews.

I'll be giving other Hulk's tips and they'll be trying to like take space against their
tank against Enviz players who have no hands.

It's like, just go kill the Enviz.

Like, what are you doing?

Like, we don't need to be doing all these steps.

You could just skip them and go right to their back line and just go for an outplay,
right?

I think a lot of people get stuck in these mindsets where they're trying to emulate all
the best players and they kind of forget how to win games a little bit.

Yeah, I get.

agree with the heavy.

I had an issue with that in Valorant.

Like some of my friends, they're like bronze and they watch VCT and they're doing VCT
strats and bronze and they can't get out of bronze.

I'm like, what the fuck are you doing?

Stop playing VCT strats and bronze.

Yeah, it's.

I always tell people that if they're trying to get a like bronze and silver, like the game
is not a hero shooter in bronze and silver.

Like you're playing a death match with like pretty colors, like just go kill things and
don't die.

And that's like all you need to do.

But then like, but then the second you get to a next higher rank, now all of sudden it is
a hero shooter and you need to know these concepts that you just didn't know.

And you know, the game constantly evolves.

But one thing I wanted to ask you, Momo, real quick, uh I want to ask you a question.

when Jeff, like when the game was first out and we had, you know, like

Basically DPS Jeff.

I'm sure you you remember that I don't know if real you remember that that Jeff well So
the DPS Jeff play style wasn't the one that came out first It was like people actually

played Jeff as a support and then people figured it out like oh we can actually just go
back line Well, there's not another rank one Punisher.

All right, you got we got one rank one Punisher and he's running in with a shotgun So do
you think that this is just something that you can pull off because of your skill or do

you think this is actually?

The strongest way to play Punisher

This is viable.

It's not like the strongest, obviously, like just using my AR plus this playstyle is
better.

Like on my main, I get permatarget band on my main because they know I can use my AR.

um like, uh it's it's it's not like it's strong, it's strong and it could be the
strongest.

There's clearly like I started talking with some teams, they're trying it in MRC.

It's not official.

I'm the only one that can do it right now.

So there's a lot of people, like there's a lot of work that needs to be done for people to
try it.

But um it's viable.

It's actually very strong, especially flank turret.

The flank turret is broken.

I don't do it often because it's kind of boring, like flanking and then setting up on
turret and then just shooting their back line while my team walks up is like actually just

broken.

It's not even.

I go.

it's like it isolates people.

It can't be focused as a team.

It just seems super strong.

I got flame from my chat the other day trying to do that.

The flank turret.

Yeah.

um Ria, looks like you got something.

You trying to say something here.

no, I was just listening.

I do think Punisher Shotgun is stupid.

I play Angela, so I think it's stupid.

What's your, what's your, what do think is the strongest character in the game, Rio?

What's your, what's your, character that you think is just like, this character needs to
go?

Like, this character's, it's, I, thank, thank you, thank fucking God, Elsa.

How do-

on my run to rank 1, the only games I lost is when Elsa was opened.

Every other game has just been-

it's always some fucking person on your team hovering Elsa.

They get dived in the first two minutes and then swap off of Elsa.

It's always like, let me ban this character.

just get the character out.

Like I think she's just too, she's mechanically too good with too much movement.

Like she has dive character mobility with, and she has a way for you to engage and
disengage safely while still doing damage upon retreat.

Like it's just dumb with a two second cool down for survivability with overshields.

Like the dev that made that, like his wife must have left him on the couch that night.

Like there's no way you consciously made that and said, honey, I can go home and be like,
honey, I cooked.

I had a great day.

Like it was just terrible.

Unless, unless, you know, they make the character look, makes it look like his wife, then
you make it really weak or something.

know what I mean?

Like it's crazy though because it's like, you know, the reason why they do it is because
of marketing.

Every character has every new character got to be broken.

I know some people don't like it, but some people don't understand marketing, right?

Because you're trying to sell.

you're selling through who's the who's the people that's going to promote for you?

YouTubers.

It's free marketing.

It's more word going around when the characters busted or a character is crazy.

The problem is, is how long you leave the character busted for.

Right.

You got to sell a product.

I get it.

I understand it.

The problem with this product is like, God dang, bro.

Like we was already dealing with Jean.

We was already dealing with Hela.

We was already dealing with Daredevil going crazy.

So I'm having a stressed out day with this product right now.

So I need you to I need you to fix it really quickly.

You know.

I got two questions for that.

uh One, you have a background in marketing?

Is that what you said?

wow.

OK, cool.

I have similar expertise.

And the other question is, with the champion releases then, this is something we talked a
bit with Boger last week.

What about releasing the new heroes?

Obviously, every time they release a new hero, it's super broken.

The last five or six releases, the last one I remember not being

good was like Blade, right?

Or something like that.

Elsa, even after the hotfix nerfs, which kind of want to talk about that too a little bit
later, but she's still 52 and a half percent win rate with 40 % pick rate in Celestial

Plus.

Like absurd, absurd.

Yeah, and people aren't even good.

So do you, okay, yeah, go ahead, go ahead.

What are you?

with that character is because it's a design standpoint.

So nerfing the alt isn't going to change anything, right?

The character, the better the player, like say a person like Momo at rank one, right?

The higher the mechanical skills of the player is, the better the character is because the
character lets you have a freestyle to do whatever it is you want.

as long as you can come up with it on the fly with unique ways to kill people, right?

So you have different characters in the game, for instance, that has a set way on how
you're supposed to kill people, right?

She doesn't have a set way.

She can go in any direction, whatever she wants.

You come up with unique ways on how to get kills.

You can flank, you can poke, you can poke flank, you can brawl, you can do whatever you
want.

And the character lets you do it because the move set is so open and so free.

It's kind of like a fighting game character.

Like you have to take a certain route to get max combo and she doesn't give you a certain
route.

She gives you like a freestyle to just kind of be creative in any way that you want with
her damage doing so much and her fall off not even being that far.

The ultimate is just the icing on top because somebody is going to diff you in a 1v1 and
then move around and then really put you in a bad position whenever that they already get

that.

Now it's a 5v6.

Now you start getting steamrolled.

Yeah, so do you release a hero like that later in higher ranks?

Wait, what do mean later in higher ranks versus like...

So don't really, like else is not playable in Celestial Plus or Eternity Plus, whatever,
wherever you want to put it for a week after release until they do the hot fix.

no character should even be playable in the first week to three, three days to a week.

I think it should be on practice.

Yeah, it should be quick play only.

That's a stance that I always die on.

I die on that hill.

Like, I just don't think it makes sense.

normally I agree with that, but I don't know for some reason it's I think from a
competitive standpoint, right?

It's so much fun though in Rivals.

This is one of the first games I've seen that does that where they just like fully release
it into comp.

Usually it's, it is like a quick play thing.

Like I think Overwatch did that for the longest time where it was like, it's not locked to
comp right away.

did it too, where they kind of lock it in the thing.

It's hard because the problem is people just kind of abuse it, where like, at least in
Valorant, I remember, I think it was when Reyna came out.

You couldn't play her for a week, but no one played her in Quick Play, even though you
can.

And then they just played her for the first fucking time in comp a week later, and it's
like, bro, this is the whole point of this.

So you actually learn the character.

They didn't do it and I feel like it was the same thing would happen.

They're just be like, I'm still I'm still locking and then like if you Like spent like a
week grinding Elsa in quick play But then all these random people are locking it over you

and ranked even though they have no hours You might just get pissed off like it I feel
like there's no winning because it's just a human problem.

Like it's just human

problem.

The reason why they do that though is because it's supposed to give integrity and the devs
do that because it's supposed to give them an open window on balancing, right?

So they do that for balancing to try to see if it's too overtuned, how the character's
looking, how players are looking at it because the devs have reps that's going around

seeing how the top players are playing it, their insights on it to see before it goes into
rank if they're gonna get a hotfix or anything together.

Supposed to give them time.

Right.

But Rivals doesn't really do that until like the emergency patch that they could have
done, but took so long to do it.

But, So.

Yeah, so the emergency patch, what came out about a week after Nerf's two gambits.

Hold up, I got it right here actually.

uh Elsa, Hawkeye, and Hella.

um How do we feel about that patch?

Is it a good sign for the game moving forward?

Was it enough?

um Hawkeye and Hella still sitting at about 50%.

moved nothing.

I mean it did nothing.

well, no, I think it was really strong.

It kicked Hella out the at the highest rank.

She's still good in ranked.

Yeah, she's still solid and ranked against unorganized play.

But in terms of like, like organized play, she's terrible.

She's like actually just like she's like the Hulk of the Neymar team up back in the day.

Like she's that's what she is now.

is her slot like in pro play like the slot of a poke character can be played by a lot of
different characters like you could put in you could just play like three characters.

Yeah

shit.

I like the change.

I think the hell of change is great.

She's terrible now, but like, she's fine in rank.

It's like hella before was broken because you could just sit a billion miles away, go
uncontested and just to tap like a celestial rocket that slipped that slips into like an

OAA lobby.

It's like really dumb.

um That's also dumb that matchmaking works like that.

Why am I sitting in an hour long queue to still get a celestial?

Put me in a two hour queue, just put me in a full OA attorney lobby.

Why are we?

a movie in Cue, but yeah.

I like it's like I'm already in such a long queue.

How are my how are the Celestials in my lobby?

no sense.

It's like their MMR is a little higher, but still it's it's like a little frustrating.

Yeah, yeah, no, like most of the games I lose are when I like I have a Celestial because
like Toothless is like it's it's good, but it does need to be enabled like it's like Torch

like I just happen to see it before everyone, but it's like Torch.

You just if you enable it if you work around it, it's broken.

So like when I have a Celestia that doesn't understand how to like play the role properly
or they don't know what to do when they're down the player, um then I just lose and it

really sucks because I'm like, all right, this was the best play I could make.

They just don't know how to play around it.

So now I just look stupid because I just jumped in and died.

it's like, what's up, bro?

an issue for me.

Like, are we not just addressing that problem?

That's a big issue.

Like, why are you in Celestial and not knowing what to do?

Like, the reason why I look at this game the way I do is because in all the other games
that I play, like even going to EVO, once you get to a certain, which is why I have such

like a lack of respect for rivals ranked, is because certain players in GM and most games
is respectable, right?

Celestial in most games is like, bro, you know what the heck you're talking about.

But in Celestial GM and you get to these places, there's a lot of players that still don't
know what's going on because there's an issue with the rank up system, how it helps you

get through by continuously playing.

Right.

And so that to me is like a major issue and a drawback in the game, because it's why you
have dumb dudes that's just there.

And they're there.

But.

The game is carrying them, but they think they're working hard, but they haven't.

In most games, you got to put in the time.

You got to know certain things once you get to a certain rank.

That's why like the players annoy me because once you're at a certain rank and you're my
teammate, I should have a certain expectation of you that you know what you're doing

because we're in the same rank.

It just makes sense that you would expect somebody in your rank to understand certain
things.

You know what mean?

So I have this question to ask you Rio.

So they do this in Valorant where once you get to a certain rank, performance bonus does
no longer accounts.

if you're a lower rank of the lobby, you will get an extra bonus points, but you're not
getting massive performance bonuses for how you're playing in those games.

It's basically just wins and losses mostly.

And they do that because they want everyone playing for the win.

If you want to climb, you gotta go positive wins.

You can't be like,

50-50, but the 50 that you won, you were MVP, so now you're actually in the higher rank.

Right, right, so they make it so you just have to, you have to actually have to win games.

You have to be 60 % win rate if you wanna climb.

And I think, I understand that you wanna boost maybe some of the lower players out of
there, but maybe once we get to Grand Master, Celestial, I think it should be a lot more

flat, like really flat.

Everyone should be playing to win.

And I think...

While that is frustrating, you might get, you know, SVP and you don't get more rank.

I think better players will end up in the like in the ranks they belong in.

Like there'll be less boosted players.

The games will feel better in the long run.

I don't know.

What do you think about that?

First off, don't even mention the MVP system because it's hot dog waters trash, right?

The MVP system let it's it's a way to manipulate the team from even like a player that's
playing wrong and playing out of position and dying without the team.

But it's still MVP and your team gets rolled without you when you needed them.

um And I think the system is just completely it needs a rehaul.

But I think what you said is very similar to like the chrono shield.

Um, not exactly the same, but being protected and being boosted by it.

I don't think that you need the rank bonus for being SVP.

And a lot of players may not like it because I'm SVP.

I deserve it.

Yeah.

Your skills is showing though, because in most competitive games, it's about your talent,
your improvement and how you're outplaying other people and people see it.

You know, a lot of people don't think that they can get the win.

So they deserve it in rivals because your teammates are just that bad.

You know, there's a lot of players that

Whenever you see that they're playing like your team is just not playing with you.

They don't know what's going on.

It's just because the the mindset of the game is of players that's not here to win with
you.

Most people on your team doesn't even care what happens.

And that's the difference in a lot of it.

Yeah, that's the difference in a lot of it.

So it throws people off, you know.

I saw a Spider-Man go 17 and 15 in my game and get MVP when everybody else on the team had
six or fewer deaths.

That happened the other day.

15 deaths.

why it does that shit.

I don't get it but

bro.

Is hot dog water, bro.

It's terrible.

It's terrible, bro.

Yeah, so about the performance points, kind of wanted to, I don't think performance points
should be in the game at all, which I know is like a lot of people.

I mean, it feels good when you get more, when you play well, but it really encourages, I
think a lot of bad habits with the player base, mainly that you're going to kind of do

what you said, which is, you know, not really play with the team and go off on your own
plays just to try to find value.

And again, that's something that Momo does and makes it work.

But again, a lot of players aren't able to do that well.

So it's like,

That's kind of why I was asking before, like, where do we draw the line, right?

Cause this guy just said shotgun punny is broken.

So I'm just thinking of repercussions here, right?

Of all the players I'm going to get over the next week when this episode comes out that
are just going to try that shit and not, it's not going to work.

And it's so it's like, who, who's at fault there?

Is it the game's fault or is it the players?

Cause that's kind of what we're trying to get, get out here is like, why is it so easy to
climb?

Why do some of these strategies not work for certain players?

Is it, you know,

That's kind of like the interesting area there, Is the game too easy?

Are some heroes too imbalanced to where you can climb?

Because the games, I think, do feel really, really bad sometimes.

Where does that start, I guess?

You know what, Momo, you got it.

I've been yapping.

Go ahead.

Or do games not feel bad?

Do games feel fine?

no, for the last like 10 seconds.

Can you repeat your question, coach?

good.

like where do we draw the line with like uh encouraging skillful climbing of the ladder
versus...

I think like balance is a big issue in the game is kind of what I'm like.

I don't think like I Used to be very very competitive like not in this game, but just like
in general I used to be very competitive and like I want everyone to run the best

characters and do this and do that and um So like I get why like people are frustrated
with me when I'm doing system tolsh it even though I make it work, but like

I still play to win.

think that's like a big thing.

like, it looks like I'm not playing to win, but like I am.

Like I understand what I'm doing and I'm playing to win.

And there are people that are playing to stat pad.

There people that are playing like just cause they, just want to do whatever they want,
which is like, you know, whatever you want to do that.

You want to do that.

That's fine.

But I think all ranks should benefit from a play to win system.

Like everyone should want to play to win.

I don't think MVPs are a good thing.

I think it's fun.

I like play of the games from Overwatch.

I thought those were really fun.

Though play of the games also encourage like stupid plays.

The best plays you're going to make in Overwatch are the ones where you get one or two
kills with an ultimate or a nice play where you just get one pick, two picks that wins you

the fight and it snowballs.

Killing everyone at once is like cool.

It looks flashy.

It's great for play of the game, but it's not always the best.

Like it can work, but it's not the best.

um Like getting one or two kills.

hear that, everybody?

Rank one player says MVP shouldn't be in the game.

and also like kind of playing off that like stats lie about how impactful you are.

Like like, yeah.

more thing.

They need to add the end game stat board mid game.

I need to know what the hell my team's doing wrong, because some- I know at the end of the
game.

like that.

talked to them about that.

I told them like there's no reason for us to see it at the end when we need that critical
information in the game because people lie to you and tell you what they're doing.

like you'll see, like I had a teammate that was like 13 and two and I thought it was our
best DPS.

This nigga had no final hits and the final hits doesn't matter, right?

Because as long as we get the person off the point.

or off the field and back and spawn.

That's what matters.

That's why I like it when supports at least shoot back because we could miss it before
they get that heel to survive.

You know, you can land the last shot before he'll get there, you know.

But the thing was, but he did nothing except be a part of the fight and got the
eliminations, you know, didn't go get one kill in the whole game with zero, you know, and

we lost and he was calling everybody else dog water.

We look at the end, the healers got six and eight.

Everybody six or eight final hits and final hits isn't everything but for the love of God
go get one on your own.

You know what saying?

That's all I'm saying.

Just go like go go get some pics or something.

And he was on dive not getting a final on dive.

You're you're back there alone.

Yeah.

Like it.

I was going to say like if let's just say Momo knows that their rocket almost has all and
he flies in and one pumps the rocket and then dies like he absolutely carried that fight.

It doesn't matter if like, you know, let's say a strange goes in gets a gets a four man
and then his other DPS finishes it off.

Momo is going to have the one on one stat and his other DPS is going to be four or five.

Oh, but Momo actually is the one that carried the fight and it

And but his stats don't reflect that like at all.

I kind of agree with you.

I think kills are probably a little overrated, I guess, for their MVP system.

I think deaths definitely need to be factored in way more.

True.

um True, true.

True.

not every death, like I think, I think Punisher now with, with all of his lineups and
Spider-Man, it's like, it's probably like half of a death, maybe a little bit more, maybe

60 % of a death to be honest with you.

Venom is really weird because he gets back so fast, you should also never be dying on
Venom Like you should like he's a character that's not supposed to die like a good venom

will never die like they will insta-stalk art But they get back so exactly but they get
back so fast.

It doesn't even matter if they die it frustrates me I'm like this is a little dumb.

He can't be unkillable and get back fast.

This is ridiculous

And

The Punisher Blair?

okay, okay.

Yeah.

Good tanks, though, to like, they rotate touch.

Like, uh you can win fights with no ultimates um if they have like, let's say they have
like a support ult or something.

They have like a little bit.

They don't have a crazy amount of ultimates.

They're not dumping six, but they use like two ultimates.

The best tanks, and this is a big thing I realized when queuing, is I literally made a
list.

This is the only season I actually bothered going for rank one.

I sat down at the start of the season.

I made a list of all the possible tank players I could duo with.

I broke down every tank they're good with, every tank that's good with me.

Like, I was really locked in on it.

And like, characters like Tankpool or just Perma-Stall tanks are so broken with me.

um Because I don't need to be there.

Like, I don't actually have to do anything myself.

I can just instantly, like, I can permanently int without repercussion.

Because my tanks are allowed to stall and they know how to stall.

It's like a, it's a big thing from Overwatch too, where

Overwatch players know how to like they know how to not take damage way better than rivals
players because the rivals healing is absurd So players don't really know how to not take

damage ah You have tanks that like will blame supports, but it's like they take they
haven't like they don't know how to not take damage And that's like the big things when

you have like two good tanks moving forward in rotation Like they can literally walk up
and take like a hundred damage combined if they know how to rotate the cooldowns properly

So when you sit on point and the enemy team is walking towards you with support ults and
this and that and blah blah blah

Um, and like, yeah, I don't have an AR to shoot back at them, but my tanks know how to
like sit on point without dying.

And it's like really big.

Um, I kind of forgot why I brought that up, but.

always been kind of I guess like known for my stall, but ever since the tournament that we
played in together, I have been, the number one thing I took away from that was I need to

take less damage because when I play with people who are actually good, like know what
they're doing, that kind of like almost takes away from the team's overall power.

And it's like, I need to be more efficient with the amount of damage that I take.

And I feel like that, for instance, think Tankpool is completely broken because how good
he can stall.

Tankpool Hulk is actually really good, even though you don't really have a real shield
tank, because yeah, you can just perma stall the point.

Most games, they'll never get to third checkpoint.

Whenever I play with a Tankpool player, which Mills, we got to run some more too, but
yeah, we always just hold them first or second checkpoint, even if we're losing.

It's busted, super busted.

mean, tanks are just so I remember when I first I don't realize how good tanks were when
the game came out.

I was I was thinking of doing just quad DPS.

I quad DPS double support was just better than anything else because I don't realize how
good support elsewhere.

But like the DPS in this game do so much damage.

But then like you realize, like the tanks with the amount of healing in this game, the
tanks are permanently sustained.

Like you cannot win a game without a tank.

Somehow tank is more important than support.

Like I'd rather

I'd rather have like quad DPS and one tank over that tank swap in support if the quad DPS
isn't gonna swap.

I don't know, it's weird.

It's like I will prioritize a tank over double support most of the time.

And it's like, don't know, Dixon's giving like, they're important.

Like they're so good.

Like tanks are damn near their own healers.

Yeah, that's it.

That's like my big one.

that.

I always thought two support was absolutely necessary.

Other than maybe a rocket comp or something.

issue is if you're gonna go double support but like none of your DPS are swapping, so like
one of your tanks has to swap, you lose out on the healing from the second tank anyway.

So like that second support is worth less than what they would have been if one of the DPS
swaps.

I'd rather just have like the one.

yes and no.

I was okay with it in Overwatch because like I don't feel like I don't feel so Rokia is
always getting nice for me.

I never feel but um I got notorious for not feeling now.

So people just feel around me.

So it's kind of nice.

Like they know I'm never gonna feel.

Definitely edit that out.

Probably edit that out.

Definitely.

Yes please.

the rank one doesn't feel, bro, you not even rank 10,000.

They could go pick somebody else.

But yeah.

you have to like you have to be so damn good at what you're doing to not fail consistently
like I I don't even like I'll be allowed to fill and I still won't fill off of Punisher

like it's just I don't think filling is like It's you need to fill.

really like you should I'm not going to but you should This applies to me Yeah, not me.

Not me.

I'm not doing it.

I should feel I'm not gonna do it, but I should

But I do think filling is nice for the one reason that you understand the characters.

You need to fill to understand your characters.

like, support players that have never played other roles confuse me so much, because I'm
like, they genuinely think like, Spider-Man is broken, but like, he's broken because

support players don't know what they're doing.

Like a lot of like, lower-rank support players don't know what they're doing.

If you play Spider-Man as a sport, you'll understand like, okay.

I know when to do things now.

I know when to Rocket Dash or when to Inviz Push or when to throw a shield up like that.

everyone that has an opinion on Spider-Man should just spend 10 hours playing Spider-Man.

Like just lock Spider-Man.

See what it's like on the other side and then come back and see if your opinions have
changed.

Because I promise you they will.

support players who's never...

Like I always tell a support player, if you play support, there's no reason for you to not
go to Quick Play or have an alt account to where you play DPS, like a dive DPS.

Because you know the characters that are coming after you.

If you understand the kits of those characters, you don't even have to be good.

You know what they're trying to go for because as a...

If you're coming up on a Luna, you know you're trying to bait her freeze, right?

Like you know you're trying to bait Mantis' sleep.

Know what they're trying to get from you and know what they're trying to do at the same
time.

You know, it's kind of like a really good envis like when they see a Bp coming in and you
get that clutch pull while he's burning his kid He just has to run away.

He's like like little wet cat like he's done He's gonna go wait behind a wall till his
cooldowns come back to try to come back in it's all about like Knowing when to apply your

counter and knowing when you're actually in trouble and a lot of things that a lot of
pussy like

freaking healers do is that as soon as they get dove, they run back into the forest just
to go back there to get beat up alone instead of just like moving into the team, bro.

Yeah, like actually dog water.

fucking if I'm fucking Thor I can't peel for you when you're like all the way back and
spawn

running away.

You're saying help and I'm trying to catch up with you.

You keep going.

I was just like, bro, like, how are you this stupid?

But you can't call them stupid though because they're trying, you know, and that's the
problem with me a lot of times.

got to you got too much hours in the game to like not know.

But I think the reason why I get so mad at the player base is not because like they're
victims or they're like they're learning.

I'm not mad at a newer player.

It's the ego is because as soon as you tell them something in the nicest way, they have
like a don't talk to me.

You're muted.

I'm like, now I'm now I'm ticked off because I was trying to help you.

Yeah, like I was trying to help you, but now you think you know everything now.

Now I'm going to call you a word.

Sorry.

I'm glad it doesn't happen to just me, because I thought it was maybe just because of my
voice or something.

Like, I don't know, maybe I sound too mean or something.

no, I get that.

I try in the nicest way possible to kind of like, hey, you think I could like, you could
stay within one range of my jump maybe, so I don't have to use two to come back and bubble

you and still stop the cart?

Can we kind of like play around the objective a bit more?

Ask it in the form of a question, I feel like is a good way to kind of...

Yeah.

I get soft on the voice like I was doing that today on stream.

was like, guys, is there any way that we got you got to I got to put some estrogen in me.

I got to really like lock in.

I got to lock in.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're wild.

You're wild.

No, no, bro.

It's great.

I think the thing is, too.

I'm so sorry.

I'll say this and then you go, Mom, I'm so sorry.

Is the average healer mindset?

is to play far back because they think that if I stay far back, I'm out of danger.

Right.

But to a good diver, you are alone and now you just look like a fresh meal because the
further back you are, the longer it's going to take for somebody to get back there while

I'm burning my kid on you.

You know what I mean?

So that's just all I have.

Yeah, no, 100%.

something about them walking backwards.

I've talked about it on stream all the time.

It is my biggest pet peeve.

They are a melee character.

You walking in a straight line does not change anything about how much damage they're
doing.

You might as well walk towards me.

Walking backwards, they're doing the same amount of damage as you walking forward or left
or right.

Like you're not dodging headshots.

Just get the fuck over here.

Why are you going backwards?

It's like my biggest...

is when if you know they're gonna kill you, at least fight back.

I'll be seeing Luna skate off, getting punched in the back of the neck.

I'm like, at least hit him so that when I go to fight him, it's an easier kill.

You know what I mean?

Like if you know you're guaranteed gonna die, at least die fighting.

Don't die running so cowardly.

I don't know, bro.

Just take me off.

Yeah, it's like, come on, bro.

Everything you do matters.

that Luna needs the runner ass right to punny so punny can trade like right away.

And then they're up a number instantly, you know, instead of.

Yeah, people that like most most players care about their lives like they they will
especially the higher you go like they will play to live If I if you come close to me and

I just hit him once like hey that shotgun hurts when they feel that shit in their back
They're gonna run they're not gonna even if they can get the kill They will like they will

run and that's like the point It's like when they see DPS shooting them they will run like
I'm not I'm not gonna kill him in time He can definitely kill you before I kill him, but

he will die

Yeah.

he's going down with you.

So it's like, all right, if you just, you know, pull up and maybe your other support heals
you, then you're gonna live.

like, best case you come to me, at least you know he's either gonna run away or he's gonna
die.

But if you run away, he's gonna kill you and he's gonna get away.

So like help me out here.

It's, yeah.

I feel like you can tell pretty quickly in a lot of games just by looking at a support,
well not just a support like anyone, like by their movements, like if they're good.

I remember the first time I played against you Momo, I had you dead to rights.

You at a range though, so there was like a corner you had to run behind.

It was the Hydra map.

I remember like vividly, I'm just like, man, he fucking got me.

Was I was just going to exile you, clap you, boom, you're dead.

And then you ended up juking like farther into the fight.

Like you actually went for like an insane juke on something where I'm like, I just have
him for sure.

And I'm like, okay, yeah, this person actually dodges.

Like a lot of people, feel like don't even think about that kind of stuff.

Well, one thing I'm, well, what I was just saying is like, I've actually, I've been
coaching quite a few players and one thing that happens is like when players are in the

act of dying, they, like a daredevil jumps on them, they don't have their cooldown to save
them.

It's almost like they, they give up their will to fight right there.

Like they're like, their, their brain is like, they're already dead.

They're already, they're already in the act of complaining before they're dead.

Cause they're about to die.

But like good players will.

play for every out, like every second of their life, they're gonna get a little more value
or they're gonna play for like, you never know when you're randomly gonna get a fucking

totem or a soul bond or a bubble or something's gonna bail you out.

But if you were, if you already give up like, you know, five seconds in like before you're
dead, like you can't, you just can't do that.

I got a question for you guys.

Go ahead and then I'll ask it.

Usually in like the best like at the highest level they already like this is this is
something that I feel like everyone should have This is like feels like common sense now I

know you've talked about it in your videos before because I've seen it in an overwatch
video From Mills where you need to have an out ahead of time like you need to know where

you're gonna go Once you go in like if you have a play in mind you need it out uh Now
obviously my play style there is no out.

It's just in but if I'm playing normally there's an out like I'll go for a flank on a more
There will be an out

after I go for that flank, like you have to have a plan.

How am I going to get out of the situation when they decide they don't like my presence
anymore?

And people don't think of that.

like in mid fight, you'll literally see like a lower ranked player just start twirling,
looking for an escape.

Like they don't know what's going on.

It's kind of funny to watch, but it is very frustrating because like it's no plan an
escape route.

yeah, in that same vein, is there a time as a healer then to just sit all the way in the
back from max range farthest as possible and just shoot your rocket orbs or whatever?

Heavy poke Yeah Yeah, yeah, bro It's honestly It's almost never really is just heavy poke
if they have like a really heavy poke you should be playing behind a wall and like healing

them or What some really really good support players do is they will like bait themselves
They'll like show show a little skin, you know, I'm saying get somebody ready

They'll pull up on them, but like that position that they're in is so good that like the
person pulling up on them, even though it looks like, yeah, it looks like that you can get

the kill, you're not going to get the kill and you're going to die for it.

It's like, it's just like temptation and that like good sports players can play up and
live.

But that one is a little riskier because you can still die in that position, but you
really got to play perfectly.

Saipa does it a lot.

Saipa will play like in the fight.

He'll play like look right behind the tanks, almost right behind them around the wall.

And it looks like you can kill him, but you're never gonna, cause he knows how to use his
abilities property.

You're not going to kill him.

Yeah.

It's like, he's, he's relaxing the watch too.

It's like you just.

that's the closest thing to perfect play that I think exists is watching him play,

good at support, it's like frustrating.

uh My first time on his team, he fucked up his Loki copy twice.

I couldn't believe my eyes.

Both times he got it cancelled by a Phoenix right click.

I was hurt, I was like, damn, this is supposed to be your king?

But then after that, he's never made a mistake.

What's up?

The first time he was on my team, felt so vindicated.

I was so happy because I'm known for kind of having trouble with a lot of the supports on
my team and he was playing me the other support too.

I'm just like, yes, thank you.

Thank you.

I knew it.

got the site.

They the site may guarantee your vindication.

um So one thing I wanted to I wanted to kind of shift the conversation because I want to
talk about the throwing website.

um I know that this became a big problem.

Of course, rivals responded to it.

um What's y'all thoughts about it?

I know that Captain Coach, you got you got someone paying to get your games thrown.

I don't know if that happened to you, Momo, but I wouldn't be surprised to be honest with
you.

guy that put a $300 bounty on Jitward and I think he put the same bounty on day and He put
a bounty on a lot of people.

He's the main guy.

He put up like 80 % of the bounties It's money.

It's money maxing one on twitch.

You can edit that out if you want, but that guy He he the day I was climbing for rank one
He had a list and I was on it and he goes you're next I was a whoa, and then he came and

followed me midway I was like, yeah, we're hitting right one today cuz I'm never getting
it after this

like fuckin' trying to throw people's games just for fun?

I might be what it is.

sub, yeah, we can wait.

No, it's okay.

I think...

Yeah, it's...

It's fine.

I'm gonna just go cam off for the rest of stream.

Okay, that works.

That's fine.

yeah, something similar happened to me where he came and just followed me.

I don't know if he typed anything in my chat.

If he did, I didn't see it, but he was just live streaming him doing it like the whole
time.

And I'm like, how is this guy not getting banned?

He even had it in his title.

it was, I, someone sent me the link, but it was something like just taking bounties on
streamers was like his title.

I'm just like, how is this happening, man?

a guy, Rio, you might have ran into him before, it's send five eye throw, and he's just
like a guy that...

with that guy on my team.

I think that's Monke.

The M-O-N-K-E.

might be.

I've played with Monkey too, but basically he just spams his cash up every game.

Yeah, he's been he's been on my team.

I've I got banned after him being on my team.

I had to switch accounts because I was cussing him out like really bad.

Yeah.

mean yesterday he was in, you know, I climbed, yesterday, the day before yesterday, I
climbed to eternity and he was in like a whole bunch of my games.

I mean, I lost.

He actually wasn't throwing those games, but he would just like spam his cash up and then
spam it on the half point.

And it's like you could be going on a win streak and just run into the fucking send five
multiple games in a row and then your whole day's ruined.

You just load, those are games.

If I'm being honest, what I hate is after you losing, like you could be on a win streak,
right?

After you losing rivals, you can feel like GuanGuan just gave you dumber people once
you're getting on a losing streak.

Like I just know every player out there, like you just feel it, like you'll get, you lose
two and then the next match it's like.

Nobody's trying to band anybody.

You're like, wait, what?

Nobody's trying to band.

Nobody's clicking anybody or nobody's communicating.

Nobody wants to switch.

You just start getting these players with a with a with a mindset that just goes like, OK,
I don't really care.

Like that's just the pool of players you get put into.

And then after you've been losing too much, you're like, man, I'm done.

I'm going to uninstall you.

You do one more.

Gonggong is like, don't leave.

You about to get on a three win streak.

I got you.

And it's like, that's just what's going on.

And you're like, you know what?

Do you think that's psychological or you think there's something going on?

Or a combination of the two?

marketing, game design, yes.

listen, devs can tell you anything.

Devs can say, like, like Brody came out and was like, we don't do m EOMM, right?

I God freaking believe him because he might call it something else.

It's not EOMM.

It's just something else.

But there's a program that's there on how it incentivized because it's, it's used on every
single rank.

to from the lowest to the highest.

And every single player goes through the same thing.

It's not coincidence because it happens too frequently.

Right.

And everybody knows about it, which is why you even have players that try to go like, yo,
bro, I'm a go play two to three games and get off Max because they feel like they're

beating the system if they don't play too many games sometimes.

You know, I'm not going to stay on.

And I feel like it's definitely something in the software in the system because this game
is all about making you feel.

The hero system to move forward if I keep playing I'm gonna get to celestial with a 40 %
win rate You know, God's gonna believe God has my side, know blessings from Guangguang is

gonna be upon me So there's too many uncertainties in this game That doesn't make any
sense for the players that you get to get to where they are Like I had a game today and I

was like, yo, we just need we just need to protect the healers on from the divers Who do I
pick for?

to peel

keep asking me who to peel for, to pick the peel.

Like, why don't you know who to pick the peel?

Right?

I had a Bucky go one and six.

I said, Bucky, what happened?

I'm just having an off game.

I was like, this is not an off game.

This isn't an off game.

This is, this is a, this is a repeated offender.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

It's like.

I've seen those.

just there, bro.

It's just like so weird that people don't know what to do, don't know what to switch.

And it's a learning issue within the community itself.

But they hate when you bring that up.

They think you're in the lead is just because I want you to want better for yourself.

You know, I want you to at least try.

They hate stuff like that.

They think like, you're always talking down and I'm not dummy.

You know what I'm saying?

I come from I come home to relax.

You know, many people come home to relax to win.

Winning is relaxing, you know?

Come home to just lose all day like winning is cool.

And I'm going to tell you this.

It's not all about winning because I would enjoy a match that I lost as long as my team
tried.

You know, all I want from you is to be like that dopamine to be like, bro, that was lit.

That was a good game.

That was close.

We almost had it.

And I'm not even mad about the loss.

get one of those games in like 20, unfortunately.

the point.

You feel me?

That's the that's the whole point.

It's like, why does it take so long for those to come around?

Like I have people I play in a celestial game and I have people that's like the team get
the first point.

What is that?

Is that the surrender button?

Did you just hit the surrender button?

We ain't even played yet.

You know, it is just like you're driving me crazy.

You're, I've told, yeah, go ahead.

Okay, so I think um, something you mentioned about the games played is uh, the um, like,
you know, play as many games as you want and then eventually you'll hit Celestial with a 4

% win rate because that's how the matchmaking is.

The um, I think uh, this is a cultural thing as well, uh, in terms of like playing your
life and like playing to win.

In, I think it's uh, which country is known for their uh, gaming cafes?

Like really heavy like Korea?

Okay.

Okay, that's pretty cool.

like a lot of, think, think you, you, you said you played fighting games.

Yeah.

Real.

Right.

I don't really play fighting games, but I know I watched a lot of video essays on them.

The, a lot of Korean like professionals, like they play their life more than a lot of
other players.

And I think, I don't know if there was studies on it or it's just like a theory, but it's
because like they pay to play hourly at the cafes and shit.

And so other like, and then American players are just playing.

They're just permanently playing.

that's the, I think that's the same thing here where it's like a lot of players are just
playing and then a lot of like, uh, foreign players are playing in cat cafes or gaming

cafes or whatever.

And like they, they are playing more their life.

They're playing more to win.

It's the same theory where it's like, okay, players that only play a few games a day are
usually more likely to rank up because when they play, they are playing fully to win.

They load up with the full intention to win.

want to win, they want to rank up, but they're not just playing.

They're not just like permacueing because in their mind, they don't know how many more
games they got in them.

It could be, it could be one or two, but like, they don't know if they're going to play
tomorrow.

They don't know this, they don't know that.

But the other player, like Sean, one of them, I play all the time.

So was like, for me, it's like, whatever, I'm going to lose this game.

That's fine.

I'll get it back.

Right.

So I do think that's a, not a cultural thing, but like, like that was like something.

That was something within the two cultures.

think it applies to this as well, where it's like the amount of games you play is like
playing less games, you're more likely to rank up.

And a lot of top players will tell you that as well.

Where if you play less and you play with the intention of winning, instead of just
playing, you're always going to rank up more.

Like I have multiple alt accounts where I've tried harder to play and win.

And like those accounts are also top 500 with way less games played.

I totally agree.

think a main account and alt account is super important.

I've been doing that, again, since the tournament.

I've just been trying to be more locked in for games.

it's been crazy results, just absolutely crazy.

um Couldn't recommend that more for people watching, too.

When you play, make sure you're locked in, ready to go.

When I was pushing rating in League of Legends, would, any time I had two losses in a row,
that's a 30 minute break.

Most games, I would probably even take a two, three minute break and just like, OK, get my
biological signals down.

There's my heart rate, my breathing, because that stuff does kind of go up sometimes.

You think about, OK, why did we lose that?

And then it's a process, right?

It's something you have to take seriously.

And I think a lot of people probably right now don't have that level of discipline,
really.

just fucking doom scrolling, but for ranked games.

Just like, uh, over and over, we're playing another one!

this fucking sucks!

let's play another one, this fucking sucks!

they're clicking while still scrolling and doing this, like at the same time, like, bro.

And I think the the the universal message out of the main things that we have said tonight
or in this entire thing is trying, you know, and I think that's the main issue with the

rivals communities that they just they just don't care to try.

You know, you got to understand to what this game is.

It's not that it's just like casual.

It's that it's comic casual.

It's the people that's used to single player games, know, used to be in the main
character.

I'm Iron Man.

You know, I can't get the play.

It's not fun because hell is beaming me.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like there's like when I tell my team, you know, can we switch?

The community hate being told to switch, you know, it's it's it's you lose the badge of
honor telling somebody to switch.

It's not that I think I'm better than you.

It's just that.

I don't know why you haven't came to the conclusion to see that it's not working.

Go ahead, talk to me, talk to me, talk to me.

that is you are probably one of the only people other than me who I've talked to.

And I've talked to a lot of different content creators who thinks EOM is real.

I also think it's real, or some version of it.

Then how can you say that to players who have kind of like, or I guess what would your
advice be to players who have maybe mentally checked out because they don't feel like it's

worth it anymore?

the game kind of works against you in some ways.

I feel like a lot of people feel that way.

I agree.

I mean, if you have a player that don't have the will to win, hopefully you prayed that
day before you started because that's all you got left.

This is because...

If God's not with you, he's not with you.

It's a five, six, you know, but sometimes you can will it together because some players
genuinely don't know what they're doing.

So if you take the time to explain it while you're gaming, they'll be open to trying it
because they're just not familiar with it, but they have the intent to play.

And then you just have that one little knucklehead that's on the team that just, hey, man,
don't care to get pussy.

I'm like, OK, bro, it's cool, Like they just don't care.

So it all depends on the flip of a dime of the person that you're queued up with.

But most of the time, that's the

problem is that you want more like minded players, you know, you want more people that
want to think like you to be like, hey bro, let's try.

And I think that's the difference between the match qualities, which is why I always say
you have Gwang Gwang gave me a hundred avoid slots.

I guarantee you I would clean up rank.

You know what I'm saying?

Like a hundred percent.

I'll clean up rank like you wouldn't even have to tell me I'm like, yeah, bro.

How many times have you all played seat played against the team?

You dog walk the team and you see the worst player over there you go.

Yeah, I gotta avoid him Hopefully they don't give him for the next game like you just
gotta you gotta protect your piece like man What if they give me him next game?

You got to protect yourself to get broke out of there.

So that's just my thing

I think avoid slots should adjust for rank.

Like five avoid slots in OAA would literally make the game impossible to play.

there's just no, everyone's going to be avoided across the board.

it's just like, just wouldn't work.

There's not enough players, but the lower rank, I a hundred percent agree.

There needs to be more avoid slots in, in, in up until maybe like GM.

I also think that

Damn, I lost it.

Okay, I'll get it back.

and like players trying.

yeah, okay, okay.

The player's trying.

So, like the player's not switching and like, I don't give a fuck, dude.

I'm going to play.

Those players are stubborn.

They're not going to swap.

I'm one of them.

You can play around them.

Like that is a big thing.

Playing around them is like that.

That's your only chance.

Cause I do it as well.

Like I know I can recognize a Momo.

I see when they're not going to swap, when they're not going to do the thing.

So I'll like, all right, I'll start talking to the team.

I'll try and get them to swap.

Right?

Like I understand myself.

them both.

I mean like I am literally the worst defender of it.

I don't even swap the portal.

I'm the worst defender by far Yeah, no for sure Hey, no, I did it though.

I did it.

No, no, no, I did it No, no, no, no, it's crazy.

But I did it.

Yeah, like I did it.

No one can say anything.

No, I did it I'll portal now.

It's fine.

I accomplished my goal.

But like whatever um, what's it called?

But yeah, I'll recognize I'll recognize the Momo and it's like, all right

You know, sometimes it is just a GG.

It's tough.

I don't swap.

He doesn't swap shit like we lost, right?

It is what it is.

I hit him with an avoid not because they're bad.

They might be bad, but because I avoid people depending on like how they work with me.

So like if it's DPS players, I always I will avoid the best DPS player in the world.

I don't like I'll look him dead in the eye because I know he won't swap and I'll avoid him
because I know I won't swap more.

Right.

So I'll avoid him.

I'll avoid him.

I don't care.

Right.

Because like I we're going to lose.

We're both not going to swap.

So it's what I have to do, right?

I do what got to be done.

So like if there's a Spidey OTP on my team or a Fanta OTP, I'm like, all right, I know
this motherfucker's not gonna swap.

We gotta play around it.

All right, there's not gonna be a lot of frontline damage because he's playing fucking
fantastic.

So I'll walk frontline and I'll shoot my shotgun and I'll have my tanks play up.

Right, like it's, you have to play around that if you really wanna rank up like solo queue
or maybe even duo queue, that's what you gotta do.

It sucks because like who wants to fill for someone else?

You're watching someone else have fun, right?

But like,

If you wanna rank up, that's what you gotta do.

And it sucks.

earlier you said you don't swap, and now you're saying you do.

Do you mean you don't swap?

OK, so playing around them is like changing your play style.

Right.

Gotcha.

I wanna dive in backline and full int.

But like, sometimes I gotta fucking fantastic.

can't, like, he's doing too damage to the frontline.

I gotta do something here.

So I was gonna say, so let's cut this down, right?

Momo is a part of the 1%, right?

You got a 1 % brain.

Let's bring it down to the 90%.

That average guy that won't swap is racking up debts.

It's a 5 v 6.

Okay.

He's not playing corner.

Okay.

No, no.

what I'm trying to tell you He did know he did get here's the thing I do think whatever
rank you're stuck in you're stuck in for a reason and if you got there besides gold Up

until gold is really weird because I don't know what the fuck this chrono shit is I like I
actually I never I didn't lose three games on my way out of gold So I didn't know what it

was like for like way after it came out.

I got a note so like

I did like another challenge and I eventually like it was on my like my Spidey I was
losing on Spidey when I was first learning him I didn't know what the fuck a chrono shield

was I didn't lose three games in gold I was so confused when I saw that she was like I
lost no elo what's going on right that's stupid and then it's also pay to what you can buy

them what you can buy your way to gold not that it matters but like still

See, you can't say that though because that gold matters to that one guy that's never been
the gold.

You see what I'm saying?

I mean bro, your lowest rank is either gold or you haven't played enough games.

No, that's-

I'm dead serious

bronze.

Like bronze, silver and gold is just the lowest rank in the game.

That's it's legit.

It's legit.

The same ring.

They even let you queue together bronze and gold can queue together, which doesn't work
with any other rank like gold and diamond can't queue together

instance, right?

Perfect example, right?

Because I have friends who are part time like crazy like RDC, right?

RDC.

Those are my friends like we we game together.

We chill and.

Oh, yeah, I'll be up in the chat with Highway and I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So um RDC is like Dylan and I'm like, we'll be chilling.

And the thing about it is like we trying to figure out like who's best, like I'll look at
Mark and I'll be like your dog water.

But then I'll look at Dylan and I'll be like, I see how you getting together.

So then we're like set up sessions about like when we're going to play on Sundays and we
chill together and I see how they play.

But like when you go to a lower rank and you see how they play, like it's a different ball
game.

It's a completely different rivals experience, you know, so it's kind of like how you
have.

OK, for instance, like the throwing thing went crazy when it started getting to the one
percent.

Right.

The throwing thing been a thing in the lower percentages, though, for the average player.

So it's like people were getting paid to throw it in the regular ranks.

They were doing it for the thrill of the game.

Like they were they're just doing it because they enjoy it.

So which is why it's so important.

Yeah, it's so crazy because it's why a lot of players feel slighted because they're like,
man, you're only doing this now because content creators getting dealt with.

And I'm like, no, but like, I get what you're going through.

But it's like.

Somebody doing it for the thrill of the game is like, that's a joker right there, bro.

You just want to see the world burn.

I don't know what to tell you about a guy like that.

even at the second the Kingsman situation happened immediate widows throughout all of All
of what's it called?

Like they're just looking for a reason to throw right and like whatever

I hated the Kingsman situation like the road estimate the back of my balls.

It made me so mad, bro.

Like, bro, it was so crazy.

No ointment.

I was just that mad, bro.

Like I was mad because I'm like, OK, I'm see what's happening.

The community said, we'll stand with you, Kingsman.

Let's throw the next game and go with.

what does that mean?

My guy like that's not even like the point.

Like they just found it.

They'll be in games throwing.

and they'll talk to each other.

We're here for the vibes.

Yeah, no, no, my guy.

We're not here for the vibes.

I was trying to win.

Like, they just don't care.

But like that situation made me look at the community in such a dirty way because I was
like, oh, y'all, y'all just here for the memes.

You're not even here to play the game.

I bet.

All right.

I had a friend who's super casual.

Marvel Rivals is probably like his third or fourth game.

He manages to get like GM every season.

He's like a solid, he's solid at games and stuff.

And he was messaging me saying like, dude, have you noticed like why are like people are
throwing my game so much lately?

I don't know why.

Like this was like as the whole throwing uh fiasco was going on.

So I, you know, I just linked them a thing and he's like, that makes sense.

Like it's, it's, it's pretty bad.

mean,

My theory is that it's even worse on console.

I know you're not going to play on console, I did my unranked to Celestial on console and
Plat, like, I think there was like six games thrown, like back, like two of them back to

back, just throwers and throwers and throwers.

And it's not even just people.

I think it's a lot of people like they play and then they'll just get up and leave.

Like for whatever reason, they'll literally just get up and like that's like in the middle
of the game.

I got a buddy who does that when we're, I don't play League of, I play League of Legends
like casually just for fun.

And he'll just like get up, take a call like while he's supposed to be last hitting
minions.

I'm like, dude, you need a last hit.

Like, what are you doing?

Like play the game.

Yeah, I got

to me in my game like the other day and it had me so mad and it was about like because
Ramadan is happening, right?

Ramadan is going on.

And the girl, the guy on the team immediately, all I hear was just gone.

And the girl, I was like, why do you leave?

And the girl said, oh, it's Ramadan.

He had to leave.

I was like, so he left because of Ramadan.

And she was like, yeah, it's Ramadan, bro.

Don't you know?

I had so many words for her that was like in the most disrespectful way, because like, why
are you saying it to me?

Like I'm supposed to understand that this nigga left because of Ramadan.

Like, you know what time Ramadan is.

You know, you don't have the time, have the common courtesy not to get on.

So you throw my games for Allah.

You throw my games for just no reason.

It's like, bro, their excuse for why they do things don't make no sense.

I yeah, because we had Boger on last time and Boger was talking about how the game is
hyper casual and the game will always be kind of casual.

And I understand that Rivals is inherently casual in a lot of ways, but I think that still
doesn't mean that you have to treat the ranked experience like a joke.

You can still take things seriously.

I think you're doing yourself a disservice by just...

not taking things seriously, like treating things as a joke.

Like Mummo said, play to win.

Like we're playing a competitive game because it's fun to challenge other people and it's
fun to play against good players and it's fun to win.

If you're just like not even going to take it seriously, like go play fucking quick play,
go play Doom match or go play Roblox.

Like don't play Rivals.

Like that's not it's not the game for you, to be honest with you.

Right.

Yeah.

I don't.

we go.

which, know, True Lord got banned because of that announcement.

True Lord.

you know who he is, True Rio?

Throwers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, that's...

information.

I got linked from the, well, Atlas, who happens to be the rank one thing, sent me a
message showing me that True Lord sent him a thing from a Discord that his account

actually got banned for 30 days.

30.

atlas the the aim math teacher guy or a different atlas okay yeah you're ready to want
some still love his ticktocks

yeah, I still do.

a former Rocket one trick turned thing player who like completely abandoned his role
because...

I mean, he didn't really abandon the roll rocket and thing.

They kind of do the same thing.

It's that one button.

They both are the literal lowest skill ceiling characters in the fucking game.

They're literally the most brain dead characters in the game.

I'm sorry, but they kinda...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

One heal orb for a brain cell type character.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

wanted to touch on the point where we said like the game with um casual, right?

Because a lot of people don't understand, like when we say um rivals be more competitive
and blah, blah, blah.

A lot of people don't understand that two things could be true.

Right.

Like the game has in order for the game to survive, has to be heavy, heavy,

Right.

That's just marketing.

It needs its money and needs its funding.

That's where the money is going to come from.

That's how you keep rotating in players and rotating out players.

Right.

Then you're going to have seasonal players that actually come in, come out.

Then you have players that are regulars.

OK.

People that pop in every time a big something happened.

Check it out.

Don't plan to stay, but leave.

But then you kind of captivate them with the simple modes to kind of hold their attention.

So that's just marketing.

You need them.

That's where the funds come from.

The thing is.

What people don't understand is that what we're asking for, what I'm asking for, and what
a lot of other players are asking for is, the love of God, just don't ignore the rank mode

to where it just seems like it's just casual.

You can work on this.

We're not asking for a lot.

And I think that's the problem is that because the rank players aren't asking for much,
they're asking for bands.

They're asking for a little tweak on matchmaking.

and they're asking for throwers, which got addressed.

Like it's the simplest thing that people are asking for.

And then they go about their day.

Yeah, that's great way to word it.

balancing between between high rank and low rank?

Because someone like Hawkeye who was like, okay, in high rank, but everyone thinks he's
like super broken in low rank is now like same with Panther just gutted in high rank.

Well, I mean, he's still meh, but Hawkeye is, but ah it's like they're gutted in high
rank.

like they're basically unplayable.

And it's like frustrating for people that want to play those characters.

And then it's also frustrating for like, anyone in in general that like

is just playing with people playing those characters because playing Panther up there is
just like bad.

Like it's like you play Panther, it's like, all right, we're probably going to lose.

Yeah, but like he's still okay in like, in like really, really low ranks.

Like he's still like, he's still good.

I'd argue in low ranks.

Um, cause the supports don't know.

Yeah.

They don't know what to do.

Yeah.

I'll hijack the question, but I'll pass it on to you, Rio.

Because like my opinion is, can't, like, you can't balance based on the low ELOs to play
because they just don't know what's going on.

They're unwilling to swap.

They're unwilling to go back and spawn and play a character that has a good matchup or bad
match.

They don't know.

They just play whatever.

That being said, while I think like higher ELO should be the prime focus of balance, you
can still...

get rid of annoying things for low elo.

Like if Squirrel Girl is dominating low elo as an example, you can make her weaker for low
elo specifically.

Maybe increase her skill cap, whatever.

But the idea here is you're not doing something that's affecting high elo.

Like we don't give a shit about Squirrel Girl on high elo, but maybe you're making a more
pleasurable experience for people that are frustrated.

That's one point like, okay, you know, tree top menace?

The squirrel?

Yeah, like him, like he...

Yeah, but like the point I'm trying make, there are people that play and there would be
more squirrel girls if she was good and that's like the problem.

This is one of the only games where like some characters are genuinely just useless.

Like witches, there's like one witch in top 500 and that was like a long time ago.

It's like...

if the game was like maybe long term, the game will become less casual and they'll balance
like this.

But I think it'd be a good idea if they made it so that every character has a higher skill
depth, a higher skill curve, like make it so that Skull Girl is harder to play at the

skill floor, but gets more value at the skill ceiling.

Like I think maybe make it to where Scarlet Witch, you know, if you're very precise, maybe
you can crit on the character, but then you minimize her damage.

So people that can't aim don't get as much value.

Like I think you could, you could

do these changes and make it so that better Scarlet Witches and Squirrel Girls could see
play, but then the worst ones are not just dominating the low ELOs.

Cause that's what would happen if you buffed Squirrel Girl and Scarlet Witch right now,
just fucking, they just 1v6 in bronze.

So mean, Boger said last week, a character like Wanda, for instance, doesn't like, why
buffer?

Just leave her the way she is.

Like, that's kind of her whole design is to be able to be good at lower ranks and then,
right?

They're supposed to be easy to play would be my kind of counter argument to that.

So you're saying just tweak like little things?

Like, I'm not really sure what you're.

no, no.

I don't care for witch or squirrel buffs.

I don't think this should be buffed because it's just going to have more people
complaining and low elo.

And the more people that complain, the more hate that comes towards this game, the less
likely it is to survive.

I don't want that.

I was just intrigued because some characters like Panther, there are a lot of people that
still play Panther in high rank, but Panthers just fucking dog shit.

um it's like, how does a team make that work?

Because...

Damn near nobody wants to play witch in high elo.

I don't want people that only played witch all the way up to high elo They don't
understand the game like even if she was good.

They just they don't understand the game So like I don't want that but like just in
general You know like squirrel girl like treetop menace is like the big point I'm like

really noticing is that he's really good at squaring.

He aimed he sits in Kovacs and he aimed train squirrel girl and it and it confuses me so
much like it's like

the thing about that is though is like, squirrel girl is trash, but squirrel girl's damage
is respectable, right?

Any squirrel girl would aim is gonna humble you in a second, right?

Like if they're hitting their plan behind anything, if a squirrel girl is landing more
shots on you than you're getting shots on her based on burst damage, percentage and

reaction time, like you're gonna lose, right?

Yes, but like at the highest level they like they move to kill her like she will never get
value a good squirrel girl Or like it's just not gonna get value at the highest level even

if they have aimbot.

Okay.

Okay my bad

to it.

That's just my thing with the Squirrel Girl, right?

Is that the character is all about just spamming.

when a character but when somebody locks in to aim, you see how dangerous the character is
because of the damage because they did nerf the damage of Squirrel Girl, right?

The thing about this that's crazy is there's characters like Squirrel Girl and Wanda that
I feel like should never be one above all.

Right.

If you want to take the time to fight against the grain to get to one above all, that's
cool.

That's a personal thing of yours.

I feel like there's just characters that's meant to be played on the fun pick up and go.

And I have somebody for me.

That's why Cloak and Dagger Rocket thing.

Shout out to the thing players is in the game, because without those characters, Jeff's
there's a lot of player base that wouldn't be able to play.

There's a lot of players that suffer from having a lack of desk space.

I guess it is.

from being able to aim because they don't know what to do.

So you need these characters in order for certain people and player bases to play the
game.

So having those characters to make it to that point, I don't feel like every character
needs to be asked here or make it close to that tier list level to make it to one above

all.

And then also the people in one above all all respect opinion doesn't really matter as
much.

Right.

If I'm a marketing dev, I'm looking at y'all and I'm like, nigga, whatever.

Right.

Y'all are yapping.

I don't really care because

The marketing team isn't looking at one above all.

The marketing team is looking at the majority of where the players are, right?

And where their money is coming from.

The one above all players, a couple of y'all might leave, but most of you aren't going
anywhere.

You have nowhere to go, right?

So when you look at it at that point, what other game, unless a direct competition, you're
not really going back to Overwatch, a direct competition comes back here.

A lot of people have started YouTube channels.

off of rivals, this is now your foundation, your bread and butter.

You're not going nowhere.

You're just going to complain and be stuck in a Genju too.

Right.

So as a marketing team, when I look at that, I'm like, OK, it's 500 of them versus 10,000
of these people that's talking about one thing.

I know that there's people that's going to get on the game if we make a Invis skin who
doesn't even play Invis, but just to buy it so they don't miss out on it.

You know, especially when we do the FOMO type of purchase.

So when you look at the marketing team from that point and the design of enough, the
characters, they are intertwined because they know what they're pushing toward.

There's certain caps that certain characters have because they can't make it here, but
they can't make it there.

But for the average player getting to diamond.

yeah, I'm cooking.

Getting to GM.

yeah, I've achieved it.

You know, so they're they're GM is your one above all.

You know what I'm saying?

You being in one above all, you think you could tell a GM's player, someone who soloed
with Wanda, you're cooked.

So it's like it's the mindset that kind of goes around and say you need those simplified
characters in a simple game state simplified game state for these people to be able to

play, you know

I um think I agree with basically everything you said.

The one place I guess, not even push back, but just like one of the things I think is,
because you talked about Cloak and Dagger, I think Cloak and Dagger is like the gold

standard of a character that is low skill floor.

And the reason I say that is because she scales with elo and skill.

Cloak and Dagger actually has a deceptively reasonably high skill ceiling because there's
a big difference between a fucking silver Cloak and Dagger and a higher.

I agree.

a really high rank.

And I think that it would be cool if more characters were like that.

think it would be, it doesn't have to be every character, but I think it would be cool if
instead of like, you know, once you get to the Grandmaster, like half the roster is

unplayable.

I think it would be cool if they, you know, just a little bit more natural progression.

I think that would be cool.

I think.

I think Cloak is um Cloak is like, she's broken right now especially but uh yeah she's
super broken but she's also super easy in lower ranks and like it kind of works out but

like I like characters like that that aren't in your face in bronze and like lower elo
that where it's like okay Spider-Man isn't broken but like he's broken to bad players same

with Panther where it's like well he has Spidey's kind of broken right now but Panther
like certain characters are not like

Good, but they're very annoying, Witch and Panther and shit are really annoying to low
rank players even though they're not good.

And it's like in your face, so they complain about it.

But nobody in low elo complains about fucking Cloak, even though she is so broken right
now.

um Yeah, they don't get it.

And like, I kinda like that.

It's like, alright, well, she's broken, but like, she's not in your face broken, so it's
fine, cause she's still played in like, higher elo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you have like, and if you have like, any type of game
knowledge, yeah, you'll be fine.

And then...

And I kind of like that design, but I think another thing is like what you mentioned about
the easy characters and like pick up and go when you play the game.

It's something I kind of forgot about because it's been so long since I started Overwatch,
but like Overwatch?

Overwatch?

No, not just in Lo-Elo, but like when I first started Overwatch, a big thing was like
Soldier 76 was literally created to be an entryway to the game for like people from COD

and like things like that.

and and i feel like i just i kind of like yeah at the highest there's like one dude that
played him i don't remember his name but there's like one dude um that was only legs i

don't know that my god because soldier oh my god that makes so much sense i did not
realize that was it like i'm remembering the name now i didn't realize it was only legs

Yeah, and then there was Metro and Masters, but we don't talk about that.

anyways, but yeah.

the creator scene at all, I what it it kind of played.

Yeah, that's crazy, yeah.

Fucking OnlyLegs, wow.

was also like, Jazzum did it for a little bit too, but.

Yeah, yeah, I think he got he got like a one damage buff.

I remember that and like everyone was playing him for a bit What's up, gutch?

cloak being well-designed thing, actually, are you guys good for time?

You chilling?

OK.

I think a big reason why that character in particular is, I agree with you, I think she's
well-designed, because uh I think mechanically pretty simple, but there's actually choices

to be made.

I actually feel like she's a true strategist.

And the changes to being able to double uh

Blind.

Yeah.

think was really opened her up and increased her ceiling without really making her harder
to play.

And I think they need to take that approach with, I think, some of the other supports I
would like to see.

favorite support to play because like I just did a thing for a video like where I just
played like support to go to a certain rank and people keep asking me why you keep playing

cloak she's easy you don't understand cloak is cloak is a character that I tell people in
certain ranks as you're moving wait while your tanks are struggling or your DPS sucks

carries you because blind creates space and for you to even walk like a Thor's bullying
you you blind that Thor you're gonna be able to walk you're gonna be able to create space

because

Thor can't stay around to take 28 % extra damage from all sources, right?

And you get two of them and they independently recycle, you know, so that's the thing
about it.

That's so crazy that that character helps tanks create space, but most of them don't do
it.

And you can tell the difference between a good cloak and dagger for when you're being
pressured, you know, like that blind is so essential, but most people are wasted on just

like the burst heal.

If you wasted on the blind while the other character is doing the burst healing, you're
going to be able to carry.

You don't even need the triple DPS.

because you got a storm buff right there, which is even crazier at times for anything else
that you need, especially her combined with storm.

It's like you can do so many cool little quirky things, but the character absolutely
carries just off that giving her a double blind, I think was absolutely nuts and not given

storm to lightning bolts was crazy.

But I was just like, all right, that's nuts.

thoughts on Storm?

She's received a lot of changes.

lot of people say she's bad.

Even like everywhere they think she's kind of bad, I still think she's okay.

She's good in triple deeps.

She's good against triple tank stall bullshit.

People like to play.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

still think she's okay, i don't think she's like as bad as like panther or witch or
squirrel

be except I feel it's weird that she doesn't have an extra ability at least another
element you know like ice or something like that another element because I've always said

a lot of the older characters feel like they need a rework in some sense based on how the
newer characters are dropping with their kits

It'd be really cool.

You know how she has the lightning bolt?

It'd be really cool when she swaps to the the wind It's a different ability.

You know, she gets another one, right?

Maybe it's a push of some sort.

I don't know what it is, but But and it's on a separate cooldown so she could swap she has
to swap use swap back, you know

create, which makes you use different forms to force the form play.

Yeah.

that would be, they could definitely do that.

good, because Lucio was really strong in Overwatch, especially in Dive.

the thing about Lucio is that you had to sacrifice high healing for Lucio.

But with Storm, she kind does the same thing Lucio does, except...

She does more than Lucio actually, does what Lucio does plus more and she's a DPS and
second DPS is the least important role in the entire game.

The main DPS is like, you know, you need damage, but like the second DPS is by far the
least important role.

um So like...

on their own than anything else.

They just need value.

when you just have a storm giving the entire team damage boosts, it's like super fucking
boring and she kind of like, she changes the game the way the game is played and I agree

she doesn't even rework, but she is fun.

I like playing her sometimes.

She's fun.

I want to see more interesting interactions between individual heroes and not just doing
the team up.

So you talk about like storm adding like some sort of ice mechanic.

Maybe give people like a lunascate or something, completely change the way a certain
character plays, kind of like Gambit ult.

Gambit ult's like super broken obviously, but I think that the jump aspect of it, that's
like a really cool mixes up how the games work.

Like for Hulk, for instance, uh initially I didn't like getting Gambit ult in Durymite,
and I was like, well now,

Now I've played a couple of games, you can actually do insane bunny hops.

Like you can go full off the map.

I've just done so many clutch plays with it.

So I want to see more things like that, like Luna ice skate on people.

That could be fun.

And it would be something more interesting.

I think there needs to be more utility type mechanics and less of just like this.

I feel like it's just power creep and there's this arms race with all the best characters.

It's just like tuning the numbers rather than making different play styles.

And I think that's kind of like.

are lazy.

I've always said.

I feel like it's almost like the opposite.

They're almost like being overworked.

they just like Elsa, super cool character, super fun.

They just over tuned her just because like, we're not sure if she's going to be good or
not.

It's like, obviously she's broken.

just because she has no fan base really except that like three guys with like the freaking
comic books that's going to say I've been a fan, but she has no fan base.

The reason why I call it lazy is because the design, the balancing team goes with cranking
numbers rather than actual taken like.

rather than going to change up the matter.

I get a lot of pushback all the time.

And it's a lot of magic school bus niggas that just get on the ride and just like is on
autopilot that types back.

And basically, yeah, you know, that's a fire show.

OK, she's lit.

And what it is is like when I say like the meta doesn't change, you'll hear a dumb person
respond like, the meta changes all the time.

No, it doesn't.

The meta changes for you.

But the overall meta doesn't change.

Like it's hope.

for too many seasons, right?

You had poke that's just so dominant for so many seasons, but I know why the devs do poke,
right?

Poke is the best thing that you can do because dive is the most dangerous meta to have
because dive destroyed lower ranks, right?

So if you have a dive meta, I want a dive meta.

The problem is you lose more players than you gain because

It creates the most frustration.

It is the most tilting and most people cannot respond to it, especially even in high
ranks, a coordinated count, countdown dive.

Most people can't respond because it's just quick.

It's meant to, if it's done correctly, it's meant to burst you so fast that there was no
response time, you know, and in regular ranks.

Talk to me.

What'd say?

they call it kill boxes.

You set up kill boxes and dive.

And it's like, once they enter this box, they die.

It's like, it's their entire team.

Um, it's basically a hit.

So once the, once the dive team takes their hit, if your team doesn't survive that hit,
you lose the game just over and over and over.

You, you need, you literally need to switch your whole comp around and you need to become
the most, like you need better comms and more organization than they do.

Dive is not that

difficult when it's in a group.

think dive is broken and stupid and Coach Coffee talks about it a lot in a group.

When there's multiple dive characters, it's so broken.

When it's like one solo dive Spidey, it's frustrating.

punishment.

You know what I mean?

Like when is that crazy?

You shouldn't be able to talk.

But I have a video that I'm going to release soon on this.

And it's basically um how dive is the meta shifting is needed.

But poke is the most respectable meta poke and brawl as much as we hate poke is the most
respectable meta because

If you incorporate dive, dive completely destroys your main target audience.

You know what I mean?

When BP is ghost dashing, when you have venom back there.

Yes, yes, it destroys casual play.

They cannot have fun.

They cannot play and you have more people that lose the game.

Yes, yes, it's too good.

It's too good because a coordinated poke is not as dangerous as a coordinated dive, you
know?

Eh, yeah, I'm-

that's out there.

So the best matter that you can have an even playing field with is brawl.

You know, you could just mess around with brawl.

But other than that, like it's too many players that it is destroys.

And I've spoken to the devs about that.

And I got kind of got the feedback that I wanted.

And I was like, I got to make a video about this.

But it completely destroys the matter.

But it's needed.

But any dev that's designing any game, especially when I speak to the devs at like Smite
Battleborn.

um team Fortress when I've dealt with a lot of them and behind the scenes when it comes to
you changing up a meta, you always want to shift the meta from where it was slightly and

tweak it.

So you should not have the same characters being banned for multiple seasons because one,
you remove the fan base for said character, right?

Because just like you play Hulk, Hulk kept getting banned with Namor, but Hulk wasn't a
problem.

It's just the team up.

So you remove the team up in order for Hulk to be able to play the game.

because you wouldn't be able to pick your character, you know?

And it's the same as Gambit, but the devs are banning, they're nerfing the wrong thing on
him because they're nerfing his abilities rather than the ultimate, you know?

And it just doesn't make any sense because at that point you're destroying the character,
you know?

So.

I might be a bit biased, but what about a control meta where, I mean, I think there should
be more characters like Hulk personally that kind of slow down the games, know, like stun

CC.

What about a character that doesn't do a lot of damage?

Maybe we take away a lot of the micro CC.

Yeah, like, okay, maybe I can sleep their Hella from like anywhere on the map if I land
like a good shot, like right, but like I won't be able to kill her.

Yeah.

It's a trade-off.

right, I think it'd be cool if there were characters that kind of neutralize certain
threats to make a lot of the OP stuff not as good.

Light talked about it, we had him on a couple weeks ago where it's like the schools of
magic in the game Magic, I don't know if guys are familiar with.

Right, so more blue characters, basically.

Like where you can kind of like, okay, you're ulti, nope, I'm gonna stop that, but I don't
get an ult of my own, right?

full counterpoint.

Yeah.

When it comes to stuff like that, it would be cool, but then the devs would have to go
change the entire building block of how they like did the game because of how they

designed it, their pillars of design.

So what ends up happening is rivals, even with the 10 minute, the rank up.

based on like how you perform your MMR being tied to the 10 per 10 minutes, the per 10
minutes in your MMR being tied to with the game design.

It doesn't open up the window because they gave themselves such a strict narrow path on
how the game is, which doesn't make any sense to me.

You know, so it doesn't give them certain windows to go back and change certain things.

So they're stuck with it.

So you have to add up on add things upon a bad foundation.

And you're just trying to clean it up as long you go with character abilities.

You know, but I just feel like they nerf incorrectly and they don't change the season up
because there's some no character should go for so many seasons out of the meta.

You know what mean?

You got to shift the meta up because for instance, um yes, like here's the perfect
example.

There's players that are amazing in poke.

Those said players are not great in dive, right?

Those said players aren't really as prominent in brawl.

So you have those type of players, you have those type of people that's doing those
things.

So you want to shift the meta because now you're forcing players to get better in
different avenues.

You got a Naruto poster there.

I'm a fan myself.

What Naruto character would be the best in Rivals?

what you think would be best?

Itachi?

That's...

Yeah, Genjutsu.

Itachi's...

That's my second favorite character.

Dude, I'm a Shikamaru, bro.

I love that guy.

I love him.

Yara, bro.

Through the roof.

Wait, what about you?

Is it Itachi for you?

it's a G's.

Yeah.

Until you got the norm.

Yeah, he's lit.

It's lit.

It's Now, it's dope.

Now, so that's just my thing.

one of the things I wanted to talk about before we kind of wrap things up is they
announced the path to Doomsday for Rivals, which is in April, it's the Avengers and then

in June, it's Age of Ultron, then August Infinity War, October Endgame, and then December
Doom.

I think that there's a good chance that we probably get Thanos and Doctor Doom during this
next year, going into December.

a Deadpool release, which I've talked about before, like January.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

I'm a tank lover.

So it's like, I feel like he's a January release.

Could be wrong, but he's the biggest character next to Doom um that can get that type of
pull.

And whatever you're doing, anything with marketing, January.

he's gonna be like, uh okay, I see what you're saying for the next year.

Yeah.

For the next year, because January is the lowest performing month for most businesses.

Whenever you're doing anything with marketing, you already spent most of your money in
October, November, December, the first three months.

And so you're building up for your annual quarter again, starting off in January.

So you want a big push and you want to be able to start off with a bang to go into your
sustaining months for people to come back with taxes.

So whenever you do anything, you want a big character to sell and to give you a boost for
the year.

So they're always gonna release a big character around that time.

So it's between Doom and Thanos, yeah.

the marketing perspective.

think it gives us a bit more context with some of the maybe the balance changes even that
the Netties will tend to make.

It kind of gives a little, maybe gives people like a second kind of chance with the game.

uh Momo, or arm aim?

What's better?

Oh, okay.

I'm not 100 % sure if this was coach.

Can you remind me on your, um, your YouTube channels real quick?

I sorry.

I'm at Mills.

Like, do you have like a like a training website?

Like a training like YouTube channel?

I like I'm getting you mixed up with someone else right now.

me mixed up with someone else most likely.

For training.

it's Well, no, no, no, it was like it's just like a general overwatch like how to get
better guide and have a website It's like a big youtube thing.

Um Yeah, again, I think so.

Yeah, it might be that You part of them.

Okay.

No, you were it were it were there's like overwatch thing, but I remember um, I just
remember you on those like videos but uh, I remember a video from that, uh, I saw one

those videos a long time ago where it was talking about how like um

just be lighter on your mouse, like hold it lighter.

And that started helping a lot like back then, like holding it tighter, like just messes
up my aim a little bit.

So like I like barely hold my mouse.

ah And then also it's arm aim, but for micro adjustments, just wrist.

It's like always wrist.

Okay, so both.

I've been a risk guy for life.

I think with melee heroes in the game, risk is generally better.

I don't think you need arm that much as you use faster sense for melee and you should be
fine.

you don't need to be precise like that.

I'm high sense risked, yeah.

Yeah.

does that say anything that you fast sense for is, uh, most of the time wrist, but for,
for shotgun punty, it's arm.

Cause I gotta go up and down a lot.

It's like the biggest thing is like, have to smoke bomb down and then flick up.

like my whole arm is moving no matter what.

Like I don't even have a choice.

make sense alright so I kind of want to go through while we end I want to just say one one
thing you're looking forward to like one character or anything you're looking forward to

and then one thing you would change if you could if you could control it now Rio you first
what do think

Character nightcrawler this guy.

Yeah I hate my life because he can't be a tank.

Dps or a really cool healer that teleports to you, but that would be crazy already, but I
think he'll just be yeah.

Yeah.

Oh fuck Yeah, I think it'd just be a crazy one Yeah, yo, let me tell you something because
that you just made me mad.

Let me tell you why you just made me mad

Bro, I uh need a character that lets me pull a dumb nigga from making the mistakes that
he's gonna make.

Yes, bro, I've been, you know how many dumb people like, bro, I'm going in.

I'm like, bro, don't go in yet.

And they go, I'm like, get back, stupid.

Like, it's just so many things that you can save with a certain character like that.

Like, it's actually scary.

It could be broken because the better the plays, you get out safe, come rinse, repeat.

definitely backfire.

Like imagine you're a group, like you jump to ult and they grab you and you fucking ult
your team or some shit.

Or you like daredevil, you pop your ult and you get pulled back like across the map.

You're like, what the fuck, man?

Hello?

I think that's what Strange Portal should be.

I think Portal needs a rework, and it should be shorter cooldowns, shorter range, quick
little lives.

it shouldn't even be some...

The aiming part's cool, and maybe you can get one of those to game or something, but I
think Portal should be more of a shorter...

little ability that you can throw throw 20 meters or something like that in the middle of
the fight or something along those lines.

I think that's why it's so slow because they're like, this is the only way we can do this
thing.

Well, maybe change how it functions where it's like, you know, don't need the true like
portal one, portal two game type portals.

Cause it's honestly like amazing that ability, but yeah, just a thought, just a thought.

away when they first saw that.

Yeah.

I mean, things like that in the game.

It's awesome.

sold people on the game 100%.

Yeah.

biggest thing I saw in terms of content when the game came out.

was just like portaling people off the map and just the function.

Portal got more attention than everything else in the game combined.

It was insane.

keep that in the game, but yeah, maybe give them like another one, like a shorter range
one.

I just want to see more control strategies.

just assumed it wasn't going to be real.

Like the when I heard about the portal concept, I just assumed it was going to be like a
teleport.

Like, you know, like you can't see through the portal.

It's just like you walk into one side and it pops out the other side.

But like the fact that you can see through it and interact through like that was crazy.

I was like, yeah.

uh But we have one thing to change.

One thing that I would change, even though I know it's tied to marketing, is the
favoritism on characters.

I think that's one thing I would change.

Favoritism with skins, that's marketing, so they need to make money.

But also the favoritism on how they buff slash nerfs, because I think it's too many
characters that go too many seasons untouched or forgotten about, you know.

Like look how long they took to touch storm.

They forgot she was in the game, you know, Gwang Gwang was like, oh It's black history
month.

Do we have a Put her in there Put her in there and forgot about her put her up there.

Let's give her something.

Let's give her something, you know, so Other than that is just a favoritism on how they
buff slash nerf too many characters go too many seasons untouched and moon Yeah, you know,

come on, bro.

I didn't want to say it, bro

Listen, that was actually one of my questions for you.

I'm glad you brought it up.

The other one was like, dude, I feel like a lot of the characters that sell skins are way
better.

And I wanted to ask you in particular Rio about this, cause I feel like you probably have
some pretty strong opinions.

Because I feel like a lot of the game is balanced around attracting different types of
people through the game.

bro.

Let me tell you why them niggas gave blade a bonnet I wear a bonnet every day.

I was like bro blade Let me tell you let me tell you how crazy it is.

Somebody said what's that on your head in my youtube videos?

Right never same guy came back after blade got a bonnet dude.

That's a bonnet.

Yeah, well, I guess a bonnet like it's just so crazy because the rivals teams is so tapped
in um with

how social media is on how different groups act with everything, the T E mode, everything
that they do to clock it, all of that thing.

They're so tapped in.

So they do a lot, but they even know like I feel like it's just favoritism all around
because the only wedding not this ain't even racism because I'm not even like a dude that

care.

I'm actually beyond toxic.

But the thing that comes along with this is I felt like every wedding.

Like couple.

skins or whatever should have been a legendary.

Just offer it because Gambit and Rogue is legendary.

Mr.

Fantastic and Sue is legendary, but BP and Storm not legendary.

You know what mean?

So it's.

No, no, no, no, just the them have they have one together, you know, where Black Panther?

Yeah, they have one where interaction where they do the cut scene at the end.

And the way I look at it, I'm just like, OK, cool, I see what you're doing.

But it's like, it's cool.

But I feel like too many characters get.

left in the dirt or I feel like BP is just a dangerous character that they don't want to
touch because they don't know what to do because if you buff him, he's too good.

He destroys mid level and he's hard to track.

Yes, exactly.

And then if you nerf him, he's unplayable, you know, so they're trying to figure out what
to do with him.

And the problem for him for most average part of the community is the speed.

You can't tap his speed.

Most people get their their sense isn't even that high.

to turn around because by the time you turn, he's already back this way.

You're just like losing your mind, you know, so it's crazy.

Those are the things for me,

Uh, Momo, what about you?

Character you're looking forward to?

I don't know if you follow the lore, but...

Doctor Doom?

Like a tank?

Is that a...

You want Doctor Doom as a tank?

Honestly, okay, I I've really struggled to get off of DPS.

So like cooler tanks will be nice force me on on a different role.

But like obviously, it's like I'm obviously gonna want him on DPS.

Like I'm gonna want him on my role.

But like it's I won't complain if he's a really cool tank.

Like I might play him here and there.

Plus just seeing him in general or a farming would be sick.

Right.

Like he's he's just so cool.

Right.

fucking voice acting, bro.

They- he could be- he could sound sick.

They, uh- I mean, they've been- they've been- they've been honestly crushing it as far as,
the design and the fucking character trailers and all that stuff.

I still think about the Daredevil reveal.

That shit is so fire.

Um...

I'll- Hey!

Yeah!

Well, what about- what about something to change, Momo?

What would you change?

You can change anything.

Dude, okay, mean like, gonna be selfish just for me.

It's like small quality of life changes on Punisher, fuck.

Like this guy has so many goddamn glitches on his zipline, it's annoying.

It's like, it's small changes, like give him two smoke bombs.

He's just as strong as he is normally, but he's only good for me.

It like only benefits me giving him two, right?

It's like, I just, obviously it's like, no, no, no, obviously I don't want him having two
smoke bombs.

Like I've gotten to a point where I've proven like he's good enough, right?

But like,

My man said rank one give me a buff.

You're gonna go pro you're gonna have a whole team centered around you.

Oh shit.

That's funny.

just want to have fun and win.

um I did, I mean, to be fair, I hit rank one out of spite for the pros that all hate on me
and shit.

Cause like, they hate that I do this.

Cause to them, you know, they play an organized game every day, 10 hours a day.

And then like...

They load up into ranked and it's just fucking shotgun Punisher flying across the screen
at Mach 20 like they hate that shit.

It's not fun to play against not fun to play with I am free now.

Yeah, so but like I did it out of spite like some dude that was talking shit about me
nubs.

He plays with all the pros

What was it that potato said he said everyone that's lower than Momo was in piss low So
it's just all of us now and this is No, was that was potato he said everyone that's lower

than Momo is is a piss low or

wow.

want be clear.

We were queuing in that clip.

people, I want to clear this up on the podcast.

We were queuing in that clip.

Like we're cool.

We're friends.

He was just saying in general, like the rank system is saying if you're under toothless,
it's like, was a joke, right?

But people are taking it a little seriously.

Yeah, I know, but there are people hating on him.

Yeah.

I just want to clear it up here.

Like, like it was like we were queuing in the clip.

yeah, it's, I don't think I feel like when he made that joke, I don't necessarily think he
thought you were just going to instantly get rank one.

And then it's like, but

No, yeah, that was old.

Yeah, I mean, I literally only went for rank one because the Lenin made a fucking tweet
about me for no reason.

was all right.

Well, he was like rank 13.

I was like, well, I can't allow this.

I guess.

No, it's it's so fun.

Playing for pettiness is my favorite.

You know, the dude, some dude that's been talking shit about me, Nubs, Sector MR has been
talking shit about me for a year straight.

He like he literally went to PNU was like, do not put this guy in any tournaments.

He was doing everything.

He said he will do anything to like.

ruined my career.

don't even know this person.

I'd never played with them before, And then, no, no, he's deep with me.

Let's be clear.

He got whooped.

cook him.

I beat him three times for rank one.

I beat him three games in a row for rank one.

He got washed.

Man, he got washed.

He got washed.

Of course, Bro.

yeah, we're gonna have to bring them on together now.

I mean, that's like pretty much guaranteed here.

then when you get on here with him bro let him know be like I cooked you son don't even
talk to me.

Yeah

knows.

He was in everyone's chat complaining.

He was telling pro players to avoid me.

He was scrim sniping me on live.

I'mma bring up, it's gonna be in the YouTube video soon, but like he was doing everything
to stop me.

They all tried to stop me.

They couldn't fucking stop me.

Fuck you all the pros, except the ones I like.

Except the ones I like.

Y'all cool.

son.

Damn.

you sorry sorry sorry

That's okay, that's okay, I appreciate you pushing the energy.

dude mama mama.

Have you ever seen that um DSP stanky vindication?

Have you seen that video?

It's like a classic overwatch video It's basically like this Lucio that um he was on
console doing this like movement tech and everyone on PC was like you know Grandmaster

console is plat PC and whatever so he made a whole montage video if you ever get a chance
watch it It might inspire your content, but it was like that where it's like everyone

doubted him

Then he comes over to PC and he just fucking dominates on PC after being a like a console
player and it's sick.

I like Rivals PC.

like some of the comms, this console, like some of the things that they do is just like
fudge, bro.

I thought you had extra desk space.

I don't know what you're doing here.

Like, like I had a punisher that swapped off punisher to go Squirrel Girl just to kill the
Ultron.

I didn't even understand what was going on.

Like, why did you switch the Squirrel Girl to go kill the Ultron?

It's a thought process, bro.

It's like my little sister would say it was a choice, you know?

So it was a choice.

the choice?

Captain?

What about you?

One change?

One character you're looking forward to?

I don't know, one change.

was going to piggyback off of last week.

think the game, the number one thing that's going to fix the game right now is more bans.

I think that'll be the number one thing that'll just raise the quality of everybody's
games.

A lot of characters are gate-kept.

Just go watch that episode if you want to hear more about that.

And then I already said it, Thanos.

I want Thanos.

I've been waiting.

It's my number one.

I'm so excited.

I hope he's a melee, anchor tank-like thing with hopefully some sort of stance mechanics.

So that's where the tactical side comes.

I want it to be some character you got to think on.

And yeah, know, nerfs to maybe Elsa too, I'll take.

And yeah, dude, I mean.

Ooh, can I take back my change?

Can we please like just remove her?

Actually, I'd appreciate that.

Her and Angela, if you could just like...

Wait Angela, what do mean?

Wait, what do you mean Angela?

Bro, I'm not even gonna lie.

That's racist to the one-wing assassin club, bro.

Like, bro, that's actually insane.

God.

Bro, I think Elsa's stronger than like, Release Jean Grey.

Like with the movement, with the melee tech.

I actually think Elsa's stronger.

asked a lot of pros about that.

I thought that too when it came out.

then they told me how easy it is.

Like else is way harder than Gene is and that's what makes it big.

Yes, but OG Geno was like, it was kind of broken.

sorcerer of today versus the strongest sorcerer in history.

Like, like, Jesus Christ.

in an organized play, because Jean is also just better with certain characters.

She's better with Gambit.

She's better with a lot of other characters.

ah But yeah, I get you.

I thought she was stronger, too.

even on that level.

Like, like, even on that level.

like people were bitching about the fact that Bucky got shields by using cooldowns and
then they released a character that just does that like times fucking 10.

Like, they just don't care.

Yeah.

think he's good.

He's like bleh He's like only good against like he seems broken because people are playing
dive and bronze and gold and shit Yeah

sentiment I just get fucking roasted in my comments like people say I'm simping for Bucky
I died like

And I'm going tell you something to save your life.

You're never going to win.

You're playing against too many players that think like that.

When I tell you Bucky's low key the rocket of DPS, you just sit there and you shoot.

It's actually low key, I'm dead ass.

Like he's low key the rocket of DPS.

It's actually 50-50.

You load up and it's like, if your team's better, you'll win with Bucky.

But if your team's worse, like you're gonna lose.

You're gonna get rolled.

I know.

agree.

because one of the things I'll say since we're closing is any DPS that gets shield and not
have to connect and make a hit in some form or way is a design issue.

Like it already don't make any sense.

Healing is already too strong, but yet you get extra survivability for doing nothing like
Elsa being able to click the button and the shields appear like she should be able to hit

you and combo you and then maybe get it, you know, but just to click it to get it, it's
too free.

seconds at two dash, like two second dash, she gets effectively 800 shields.

If she's getting shields and breaking, getting shields, breaking, getting shields.

That's fucking crazy.

this is a video I'm working on.

There's tank.

There's DPS that has way too much survivability over tanks, and it doesn't make any sense.

There's some tanks.

will deadass win a 1v1 with Thor.

She'll beat Thor in a 1v1.

is a better tank than most tanks, to be honest.

most tanks don't have a damage reduction.

That's tanking.

Right.

Most tanks just have more health, but they still get knocked down and chopped down the
same way from the damage.

Like they're sustained.

Most tanks sustainability comes from the healer.

Right.

That's able to keep them up.

It's not like they have an inherent move to keep them alive with damage reduction.

That's the crazy part that people don't understand.

Like when you got people, bro.

Can stall longer than any tank, pretty much.

Even Hulk.

bro.

Like I seen a daredevil outstall multiple people.

was like, all right, relax, gang.

You're blind.

Like, just don't understand.

Yes, they're sustained.

Most tanks, most tank sustainability comes from the healer, you know, like you got a mag
bubble.

That's just a stall.

like, it's not to keep you up there.

Like your health can be one.

But with Elsa, dang, now you just push your health to 25.

You push your health to 50.

Then you push your health up because of the older, the over shields that keep coming up,
which gives you a longer survivability window.

You know, most tanks don't have that.

Then somebody's going to come.

It's going to be like, well, this guy doesn't play the game because what about Thor?

Like, it's just not even the same thing.

You know, he's supposed to have it.

But having a DPS have it with that much sustained plus healing, it just doesn't make any
sense with the damage output and a Luna that accidentally clapped you in a cloak and

dagger random heal straight that killed you with the last health.

Sorry.

oh yeah, that thing is fucking yeah, she she gets shield mobility and a shotgun That does
burst damage with one ability that she gets every two fucking seconds.

All right.

I'm just gonna I'm gonna get hit

is the shield or get rid of that or the percentage.

they need to...

I honestly...

It is the best neutral in the game.

I would rather take...

I'd rather bring back the old ultimate and gut her neutral.

She should not be as strong as she is.

Also, percentage damage should not be a thing uh on her gun.

Yeah, because if she just shoots tanks...

No, she's literally...

For a character that's this good, she should not be allowed to just shoot tanks.

Like you need...

Like, Hella was always good, but like, you had to go into all of angles.

You had to do something to earn the, like, you had to, you know, you had to earn it.

Else you just shoot tanks, you get ultimate, win.

That's how it was when she was released.

And now it's like still the same thing, but.

makes tanks feel like a DPS.

They're not tanky enough for her.

Yeah, it's...

play Tank right now.

Miserable.

to ban.

I mean if you ban her, whole game's different.

Like if she's on the ban list, it's like she makes the whole game different.

Oh.

when I have to play against Ekir.

I'm like, sorry, I'm sorry you're solo tanking.

Sorry, bro.

I got to go look out for my own here because this shit's AIDS.

against that character.

How do you play spider-man against that character?

She dashes every two seconds against 40 HP.

None of your combos work.

Not a single fucking combo works against her.

DPS, so into her.

because you can't pin her down, you know, and that's the thing about it is like everybody
has a range of motion of play style that, you know, you're I'm going to bait this out of

you and then I'm going to cook you.

There's no baiting anything out of her.

You know what I'm saying?

She just does what she wants.

And there's two different dashes, you know, so it's like, hello, you know, and then
there's a dash with a shotgun to reposition like, yeah, like.

dash.

It's like, okay.

All right.

Well, what are we doing?

What are we like like I feel like Elsa like if they keep releasing characters on that
level It's gonna look like smash bros like smash melee like people gonna be fucking like

like I don't know doing some crazy wave dashing nonsense Like it's gonna be nuts.

Um Yeah

it's a poke character that can dive if she wants to.

Like, if you know you can get away with it, you could go to the back line.

She can get to the back line quicker than most divers with a two second dash.

Yeah, that's fucking insane.

But I wonder what they're gonna do.

I don't know what they're gonna do, but they need to do something.

her.

think high skill ceiling characters should ever be strong.

It sucks.

I want them to be strong, but it sucks.

It's literally the same issue with Genji.

It's not fun for anybody when a high skill ceiling character is good.

It's the same with Spidey right now.

Spidey is good right now and he's super high skill ceiling, but it's not fun to play
against because like Day, Wreck, Jitward, really sticky, all these Spider-Man players,

they can do the shit that's complicated easy now.

muscle memory.

easy.

Yeah, it's like okay well now you're just being rewarded for practicing a little bit on
the character.

It's like you're like which is fine, which is fine, but it's like too much reward.

This is like whoa you're not being rewarded you're just winning the game.

It's like not fun.

agree.

Yes, because because there's so many characters that ceiling doesn't even come close or
their kit can't manage.

They're just outpaced as soon as you pick that character.

And you got to think about the players.

It's like, hey, I just want to play this and have fun, you know.

starting to realize Spider-Man is kind of OP.

I feel like lot of people are starting to realize he's pretty high on a lot of tier lists.

And I think a lot of the Spider-Man players are just getting a lot better.

Right.

And you have so many choices to make on that character.

A lot of it's just figuring out what the right.

Spidey is good for a lot of the same reasons that Momo got rank one on Punny.

It's just like you can just do deaths don't matter.

So one of the things, this is my theory.

I actually think in a game where support ults matter so much, a character that can fully
kite support ults and not die and a character that has ways to interact on the edges of

support ults is actually really, really powerful.

That's what Spider-Man gets to do.

He gets the full kite out of any support ults.

this is a big thing with Punny because my zips are set up.

don't get the opportunity.

Like I don't get the Spidey thing where I can just get out whenever I want.

It depends on where I am and where my zips are since I have preset zips.

So I can't just like always leave, but I do have a plan.

When support ults are out, I'll ult, like I'll Punny ult into a support ult because it's
such high damage that like, yeah, might not kill anything, but they can't walk on us.

Like if I just sit around a corner, hold my ult.

They can't walk on us anymore.

Same thing with like Moon Knight one then.

Yeah, my whole team can stay alive.

Even if I'm down, I'll pop ult when I'm down one sometimes just to stall them for pushing
us.

They'll use a support ult to walk and I will pop ult just to stop them from walking too
aggressively.

I'll slowly be walking backwards with the ult.

That way we only have to wait on one person.

It's like, it's just knowing how to make support ults less valuable is like really big.

And then also knowing which support is going to ult, this is a big thing where they will,
it's just target Pryo.

When one support ults and you need to know the next one has an ult, you can rogue ult them
and then you just kill them before they get their ults off or you just full target them

and force the ult out as soon as possible and or kill them before they can pop an ult.

the understanding of the game is infinitely more important than mechanics and and that's
about it.

um, yeah, so let me give you all my let me give you a my change in my character So I want
ice man.

I need I need ice man.

I said was he sick I want him to be skating around to like like like you can make ramps
and shit Like frozen like you can fucking I want to be I want to be have mobility where I

can kind of like build stairs and just like fly around Definitely ice man would be sick.

They could do

What's the alt?

What do want the alt to be?

Man, I like the idea.

I kind of want it to be like a like a fucking male.

Maybe I don't know like you just freeze everybody.

I don't know maybe You like I like it like if you could just like lock everyone in place
himself included like all around you in a circle like of course There's a cast time, but

like you just freeze all of y'all

Maybe like a group uh wall?

but like it's ice instead.

but it freezes everybody and it definitely is faster than that, right?

Like maybe he can move.

that in a game before.

So it's basically like a DC universe.

Like you throw something out there and it's an AOE.

And if you're in there for a few seconds, you just start to freeze till you go like
completely immobilized.

So, yeah.

it'd be sick.

then, as far as I mean, my real answer is I want the maps back, like give us the mass
back, rework them or whatever, but like put the maps back in the map pool.

Yeah, yeah, like, bad voting would be sick.

Yeah, that'd actually be sick.

That would actually be really sick.

That'd be hard, bro.

I need that, bro.

Like it just don't make no sense.

Like we can't map vote.

You know how many maps I don't want to go to?

I know how many maps I don't want to go to, but like, good God.

two maps they took out, like, they've been out for so long, rework them and put them back
in.

I just want more diversity.

yeah, well, they could fix, I mean, fucking give an intern mapmaker and let them fuck
around with it.

I don't know, like, let them do it.

But my kind of troll answer, but I'm dead serious, is like, can we change Thor's ult?

Like, I just, Thor's ult's the worst fucking ult in the entire game.

It's actually terrible.

I agree.

Like, why do I do 220 damage if I land on your head?

That doesn't make any sense.

when a support pops alt when I do it.

I'm like, I got value.

I got value.

my God.

I'm not trash.

Like, it's so sad.

up a fucking wall, and you just didn't do anything like

Yeah, Doral's just, literally it's a combo.

You just throw it in with anybody.

It's like, whatever, let's just get some type of value.

Yeah, it's like, fuck shit.

phoenix gets that and and fucking Elsa Elsa gets that like what what are we doing like but
Thor gets that like okay, like Like legit legit Thor versus Elsa.

I can't beat her in a 1v1 She does more consistent damage than me and she has like a 10
times better ult than me Like why like what the fuck is that she gets

to you.

I ran up on Elsa and I was in a we were in a closed room and I was on Angela and she
started beating me up.

I was pussy.

I ran.

Yeah.

I'm an Angela player.

I'm an Angela main.

You know, so so I'm on Angela.

We're in a closed off room.

I hit her with the combo.

Big make make combo cancel.

Big make.

She said, said, I bet I ran out.

And I said, yo, I said, um, BP go left side, go over there and then flank the back.

I just see BP go left side and all I hear was she just murdered him.

I was like, look, I dead serious.

I was not about to go deal with her, but I was pussy.

Yes.

It's not even a good one.

Like Angela's mad squishy, bro.

She was just pumping through my shield.

I was like, I bet, bro.

sir!

you don't have like poke if you don't have like gene hella Hawkeye Bucky like if you don't
have something like something and your own Elsa She's unkillable.

Like she actually is just unkillable I think Spidey is one of the only characters that has
a decent matchup against the right because Guaranteed damage is nice like that guaranteed

like 150 damage you're do no matter how bad you are at Spidey You need that to kill this
bitch man.

She's unkillable

she does this.

I also like I know it's not that strong of a stun, but I'm from a design philosophy.

I really don't like that the trap goes in fully invisible.

I think that that's really dumb to do that because it's no counterplay.

If it's fully invisible, I think that's really.

but not also invincible.

It's not even like just as invi- yeah.

Yeah, you can't even shoot it.

Oh, I mean, I think you could even strain, you could make it like a junk cratch up, you
can make it a hard CC if it's big and easy to break.

You just can't you can't make it not able to be interacted with because then I'm the
dumbass walking around the corner thinking I'm OK, and I just walk into it.

I made a mistake that I didn't even know existed.

I like it at all.

It's bad design when a character has no counterplay to something that they can do.

You know, because in every single thing it's tic-tac-toe.

Give and gain, you know?

So, you gotta be able to have something on that par to counteract or interact because what
makes a game enjoyable is being able to interact.

You know?

And not being able to interact is a problem.

Yeah, and you can always balance her.

Okay, you make it, you can see it now and maybe you just punch it and get rid of it.

Okay, lower the cool down.

Maybe she could put more of them down.

talked about this one time.

a person is the difference between Elsa's is like, oh, somebody just throw it down or
somebody use it in a unique way to where I'm doing mad damage, but they threw it behind

me.

I walk back into it, trying to run back and now I'm trapped into a full combo, you know,
so, yeah, it's just got to be there.

DPS players got to stop getting one button to win, bros.

Hahaha

they're moving more towards that.

me and Menteo talked about this one time how whole cult is un-interactable when you get
hit by it.

You can just get juggled and there's nothing you can do about it.

Like maybe you're, it's, it's...

do is just DI, basically.

There's a little bit of DI with the first knockup.

So if you just kind of predict.

There's counters to it.

I don't want to say them, There's things you can do.

There's no counters, no counters.

Now, walls can kind of mess up Hulk combos if you know where the trajectory is.

the player getting hit with it, there's other counters like that your team, your penny can
net him or something.

There's counters.

It's just there's not there's not counters when you're getting hit.

I mean, yeah, but like when we talk about old like like what's our counter to silo like it
friendship like like he is dying like.

it is like stacking but you have to be ready It's like it's so broken and lower but like
if you're organized and you're ready for it, then it's like not that good But it was good

though that last patch where we're just doing the extra 25 damage it hits

if you're organized and ready for a hokko, like that motherfucker's getting CC'd five
times in a row.

Like, I like it.

is balanced.

It's actually one of more balanced alts.

think it's unbalanced.

It's definitely balanced.

I was just saying it's it's uninteractable and it sucks.

your ass juggled, but I think that's kind of one of the fun things is like you get to just
you get to juggle the chat with somebody a little bit.

it.

One of the things I talk about in my videos is I said this community has a kink for when
things are broken, they love it.

But then when they have to play against it, they hate it.

Right.

But they love it at the same time because they talk about it that is broken.

But the thing is, they overly talk down, you know, they overly talk down on things that
are balanced.

It's dog water.

It's trash.

Don't play it like it doesn't make no sense because

If something is balanced, that should be where you want it to be.

My perfect example that I always talk about is Luna Snow.

When people do tier lists, Luna Snow.

Oh, yeah, she's trash, man.

Don't play her.

What can you talk about?

She's trash.

Like that's where the rest of the healers should be.

Because soon as the devs start seeing that she's trash.

Oh, yeah, let's give her a little bit something else with the next skin.

You know, like she doesn't need anything else.

Like the characters are fine.

Yeah.

Like.

compared to the other supports it's not like she's mid compared to them No, she is bad
compared to them.

That's the problem like Yeah, they need to come down a bit.

Yeah, but the thing is if you bring the supports down now, you have to bring the DPS It's
like it's a general under it's like Yeah, it would be it would be it's just a lot to do I

think that's something everyone talked about from day one

The damage in this game is too high, which in turn means the support healing is too high.

then even the tanks, Magneto does way too much damage as a tank.

He's unkillable.

Magneto's been broken.

on here.

That's what we had last two episodes ago.

Persixo plus light.

Oh yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

Percikso doesn't know I hit him with the fake out every time we play.

I-I-I ult and I just don't shoot.

He insta throws the ult and I just eat that shit.

Tasty, Tasty.

I just snared him.

probably got something to say about that, I think.

Oh no no, he knows, he knows.

Hey, I'm like 100 and 0 on his ult, so I don't think I've died to a per 6-0 ult yet.

Gambit and Invis, both 50 % win rate.

Gambit's ban rate's 50%.

Play rate's only 6 because he gets banned all the time.

Invis's ban rate's about 2%.

Play rate's almost 50%.

Both of them are at 50 % win rate.

Should never be that high.

So obviously, there's a discrepancy between healers.

Usually play rate is like 50 percent means like it's better.

Like the closer to 50 it is like 52 is like technically worse than 50.

It's weird because it's always both sides are.

So I'm thinking of win rate.

I'm thinking of win rate, not play rate.

Apologies.

Win rate.

Yeah.

Other way around.

Yeah, they're playing against each other.

Yeah.

You want it to be.

Yeah.

no band right?

And she's right there with them.

So she's surviving against all the gambits.

And then when he doesn't get picked, she's I think usually better than.

thing is, Invis is damn near never banned when Gambit is uh open.

So she's just not played or banned.

There's no reason to ban Invis anymore.

she's not, she's counterable, but also she's playable.

It's not like the game isn't surrounded around her.

Yeah.

things, Yeah.

same tier as the other supports.

Cloak and Gambit are better in Loki.

those supports are gone

That's the sad part is that like she's really strong, but then there's people that's just
od and i'm just like, all right bad i'm just deal with the od guy

legit.

That's legit how it is in the yeah

and dagger ult.

And then Loki's always going to be the best support in the game until they fucking fully
got him because he can just copy every ult.

But yeah, the cloak is just like, fuck, bro.

13 second ult is insane.

And the damage, it's everything.

insane bro.

Like let me tell you something if a cloak and envis is back there and an a Thor goes back
there like envis cloak blind envis keep up um cloak getting run down bro.

You get your pockets right.

They send you back to Asgard broke like it's just a bad time bro.

Them healers are no joke.

They some they say some one of my pet peeves is when I'm playing tank and I'm solo tanking
and I hear I hear I hear a

a guy dude um turn on the mic to say dude we need help a grown man on the mic playing on
such powerful healers asking me for help what are asking me for talk to your dps what you

asking me for like what why yeah like why did you talk to me like like bro go handle that
bro go talk to the dps bro it's absolutely insane bro

I think what frustrates me uh as a DPS is like I'll peel but you gotta know how to live
for more than two seconds and I got you, bro.

if I, like, first off, if you don't have a mic, fuck you.

You gotta suck it up, bro.

I'm sorry.

You better tell me he's on you because I'm not helping.

after like they died three fights in a row, okay, can you peel me?

was like bro, no uh

running your shit down.

I'm avoiding you and I'm only playing dive into you.

I don't care.

Like you're clearly you are brainless like running out.

Let's go.

because it's like a lot of support alts would be saved too to not double alt if you
communicate.

Yeah.

Yeah, and that's like the biggest mistake that happens in every fucking elo, that all you
need to do is calm.

Let me tell you the thing that makes me mad when they double alt and I'd like, bro, what
happened?

Are y'all communicating silence now?

I'm mad because nobody's talking to me because nobody's saying anything and I was just
like I get it is anything happening back there won't say nothing die three more times.

Are you gonna protect the healers bit?

Asked you a couple times.

Nobody said nothing that you know

fucking god.

press alt to support, they have like a really long little phrase that they say just to
give people more time, you Us against the world!

is Actually crazy man, like the game this game and I know we talk a lot about it and And I
know that there's some people out there and you gotta address these people because I call

them um Pussies they can't comprehend when you're giving criticism so they think that
everything that you're saying is that you hate the game, right like

If you if you don't like the game, why are you playing it?

Like if you're criticizing a game, why are you playing it?

Yeah, yeah, bro, they're they're pussies.

The thing about it is that they can't comprehend to hear what's the issue while also
understand it.

you can still love it because you're playing it.

They feel like you have to talk nicely about everything that's going on in order to show
that you enjoy something.

That is a flawed way of thinking.

And that's the low IQ individual.

And when I see stuff like that, I'd be like, you're just stupid.

My God, let's keep it moving.

Like it's just like I clearly care because I'm bringing up issues.

It's not to punch down.

It's to make better.

It's to involve and up the community.

But a lot of people just don't understand it.

And it always drives me crazy because they're everywhere.

I call them Bandai gamers.

You know, they just throw out anime games and they just buy it and be happy and thankful
for it.

Just absolutely worthless cash grab people.

So it's kind of like how it is.

uh we're still here.

uh You said a lot of content creators of Rio are kind of like goofy and don't give actual
takes on the game in your most recent video.

don't really give real takes on the game.

Yes.

Okay, perfect.

So what I mean by that is the community is split up into multiple types of content
creators and each one, doesn't matter which one you are, right?

Each content creator is just like a person of business.

People's coming to you for certain product because this is what you do.

This is what you're good at, right?

My said thing is if you're a person where this is your home, no matter what it is,

and you don't feel as if you need to speak up about said issues.

That is a problem for me when said issues get addressed and then you jump on said issues.

But you never spoke up about the issues that were taking place because you didn't feel
like it was your place.

But now it's still not your place, but yet you still jump into it to be like, yes, this is
what the game needed.

But the thing is, especially from speaking to the rivals team, is the feedback.

The feedback is critical for how the game is presented when they see it's a majority.

That's why I'm so critical about, you got to speak up and it doesn't have to be negative.

It's Europe.

Europe as a content creator, you're a voice, you're a platform.

You got to understand how many people here like you guys got more people than most civil
right activists back in the day.

That's following you come into your videos every single day.

your voice is a way to speak up about something that is important in the community.

And especially since I've seen the devs are open to hearing feedback.

It's not like some games that is just silence.

You can't say nothing to the devs.

They're going to follow their direction and you don't hear anything about it.

But since you have people that's open for feedback, I feel like it should always be given
because you care about it with what you're doing, you know, so.

so what would your advice be then to content creators?

I mean, you talk to devs.

So obviously, you're making serious impact on the game.

What would your advice be to someone like me or Coach Mills or Momo who are trying to want
to see this game improve and don't really know the right way to do it?

Is content the right way?

we like what is it?

% contents the right way and also um pushing in for feedback, you know, like the people in
the discord, you could get in with them and try to ask for like openings or whatever is

going on, like, you know, opportunities.

They, they always have different things going on, but content is the number one thing
because rivals has a separate team, which is a community team that goes around and check

out different contents.

Right.

That is a different thing that they have there for the community.

So there's a community like warframe has it.

Warframe has a community a strong community team that goes around with every content
creator checks out all of the content you have it with um Trying to think of their name

Path of exile has it So you have these different types of communities that truly care and
want to hear the impact the the feedback from the content creators But it's all about like

what they're putting out, you know what they look for is not just hey this game sucks and
it's trash it's

constructive criticism.

So if you're given actual feedback about certain things and your audience is very in tune
with what's going on, like it's very important and they look at stuff like that.

oh I always feel like it's important because they even talk about it.

They said that they're looking for the feedback and I think it's always important to know
the generalized way to go about it correctly.

So that's always my take, you know.

I think that's one of the things Mills and I tried to focus a bit more on with this
podcast in particular is coming to terms with the game maybe not being the exact way we

want it, but trying to understand the vision.

And then trying to give feedback based off of what they're trying to do and be realistic
with it.

I personally think Mills, our episodes lately have been a lot less negative, personally.

the game for what it is, but we can work around the edges and kind of push it towards a
healthier, better game overall, for sure.

Are we optimistic?

Are we optimistic, guys, about the future of Marvel Rivals?

It's OK to be honest.

The game can't fail.

You know, a lot of people don't really understand that marketing wise, it cannot fail,
right?

Because you have too many people to it's too many boosts every single month, every single
season that it's not going to go anywhere.

Most marketing team look at things form a construction, a constructional way, contractual
way, which is every six months.

You got Thanos come out, you hit an all time high.

OK.

is he?

Okay.

you got Thanos, you hit an all-time high.

You got Deadpool, you hit an all-time high.

You got Doom, you hit an all-time high.

If you have so many characters that give you peaks, people are just gonna keep pumping
things into the game.

So you're not really going anywhere.

I mean we're getting the in-game doomsday right as the movie drops like And Marvel has
honestly been like the movies has been in like a down streak Since rivals has been out

right, but we know it's gonna come back like it's too big.

It's too big It's there's too many narratives they could play on Yeah, and so like I just
imagine like peak peak Marvel cinema peak rivals all at the same time like

I do agree with you.

I think it's too big to fail.

It's just too much going for it.

I'm literally in the same boat as real.

don't, I literally had no doubt that this game will fail in any way.

Like just having a rival's IP with an Overwatch style shooter is just, you literally like
the only, the only, worst that could come out of this game, which has now happened was

Overwatch being better, which is like, that was actually the worst.

Like, eh, there's something I said from day one.

Like this is competition.

It's something that's gonna cause like, it's great.

Yeah.

No, especially after.

After Overwatch does it, like they took a good portion of Rivalous Player Base for a bit
after the five characters released.

And I think eventually people will just understand that Overwatch still doesn't give a
fuck about them.

Like, that game is like...

the push to deal with rivals.

And I think a lot of people don't talk about that.

Yeah, it's...

all original characters, the only people that give a fuck are the people that played
Overwatch.

Like, those characters mean nothing to 99 % of people.

rivals hit too many lanes.

The only thing that will fill this game is if the devs fall asleep and forgot the update
or forgot to do something because, you know, because the most impactful things that a lot

of people don't talk about from a marketing standpoint is the hub going into the city that
is just going to keep evolving that right there.

They stole that from Warframe, right?

Yeah, it's laggy, but it's one of it's going to be.

it's a start.

And they're getting a...

thing.

That's what RPGs do.

MMOs.

You get a central hub.

PVEs too, because we hit like really high peaks with the zombies mode.

And they're going to do multiple different types of PVEs this year.

That's like another thing they can pull to just...

it's something, even though it wasn't like the PvE mode in my opinion, like it's not
something I enjoyed, but it's like, it was okay.

It wasn't like crazily like optimized or anything.

It wasn't like built well, but it was okay.

It was good enough to enjoy.

And it's something like the fact that they even bothered dropping it is nice um because
Overwatch said, like they promised us a PvE.

Has it even come out yet?

Like I'm confused.

It's been like...

Junkenstein's Revenge 2, which is like their little mode for like seven years.

Like it's like...

You did it.

It was the same shit forever.

But yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's fun the first year.

It was, yeah, yeah, that's all you needed to do.

um And yeah, and nothing else besides Overwatch and Rivals is going to come like for a
true hero shooter.

I mean, Highguard, I don't know if you heard the news, it died like within like two weeks.

Like, like I don't think that I don't I think...

companies gonna stop trying like they're not gonna make your issue like i'm not talking
about like deadlock type so i'm talking about true hero shooters i think it's just gonna

be overwatch and rivals for like the next fucking five years that's the only thing

I see that can jump into fray because there was no hero shooter until I mean other than
overwatch and stuff like that, but DC DC is the only other thing with the name capable.

The problem is that Warner Bros are made of just absolutely dogwater idiots.

But other than that, it's DC that can come in there because rivals only fit in because of
Marvel IP that gave it a chance to push past, you know, so.

is like every Marvel's fan is a DC fan, mostly.

And so the problem is if you make a DC game, you're just splitting the audience in half.

Like in a lot of ways.

I mean, yeah.

Yeah, but the thing is, I don't think splitting the audience in half is like, I would hate
that.

want the, I love DC, I prefer DC over Marvel.

I want them to fuse.

I talked about this from day one.

Please, bro.

Please, but I spoke to someone and they were telling me about licensing and this and that
and blah, blah, blah.

And I don't know, I don't know, man.

Just make it happen, bro.

Someone make it happen, please.

like an anime superhero shooter with like, fucking Ichigo and Luffy and...

uh If they didn't...

Anime has been pushed out to mainstream so heavily.

Clouded.

play as free red as a support.

Let's go and no.

Okay.

Well, maybe.

I hate them more than I hate my favorite than I hate my ex.

Like it just doesn't make no sense.

they're trash.

mine's like Ubisoft and I fucking hate Ubisoft but that's...

Wait what?

what did he say?

Wait what did say?

Let's change the subject.

I wanna see the Titan from Attack on Titan in the game.

Go!

my god, bro, but like, you know, it's just

but they cooked with the Yu-Gi-Oh game though, the one on Steam.

I forgot what it's called, MasterDuel.

They cook with MasterDuel, I don't know.

Yeah.

is cool.

I'm big into gaming.

I did game reviews for eight years igne3 um, so coverage with all of that and kind of
getting like the um, the developer review copies so

on IGN, are some of the reviews intentionally rage bait?

Like are they actually doing that?

I thought so, bro.

I used to adhere IGN reviews like they were like gospel back in the day.

But it just feels every year, every year that goes by, it's like they're trolling, like
intentionally.

They're trying to make people mad.

fell off because of the metrics of content creators being able to take the spot of what
IGN is able to do.

So now you got people like skill up.

You got so many different people like Flex and all of them that can come through and give
you a different sound review.

over IGN.

So now when you look at IGN is maybe because they have exclusive review and nobody else
has it.

But other than that, people don't take them seriously once every other creator, because
that's what happened to journalism.

Journalism kind of lost this plot because there is too many more people that were able to
speak about it as far as like content creators to be their own self-taught journalism type

of self.

So, you know, that's one of the main things that go into it.

Yeah.

So it hits.

All right, guys.

Well, hey, it's been amazing having you on.

uh Ryo, where can people support you?

Where can people come through?

Hey, we subbing, we subbing.

stop, stop jokes.

um I'm just a troll bro, like just clouded real, life of real on Twitch.

I'm always uploading videos so, you know, don't come over there, I'm racist.

But that's about it.

That's gonna be in the intro, all right.

Oh Momo the rank one not just the rank one Punisher the rank one global who happened to be
shotgun only Punisher Handicap rockley handicap on him and still made rank one.

What can people support you, bro?

me on TikTok, Pyrekingmomo on TikTok, Twitch, and then Pyrekingmo on Instagram.

Someone took the mo mo, man.

Hey, thank you all for coming by.

Thank you all for being here for the super long episode.

I think it was awesome.

It was great.

um Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I Yeah, I appreciate it.

Hey, bro.

had a great time.

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