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Two friends – Dave Gerhardt (@davegerhardt) and Casey Ford (@fordpr) – share their love of golf in podcast form as they talk shop & chat with those who have made golf their long game.
00:01.84
dave_gerhardt
All right case we're back take 2 There's a lot going on today. They um, they're trying to get you down the we we work. It's got a April fools internet situation going on today.
00:10.63
Casey Ford
I guess so yeah, we're recording on April fools but is their second take and so yeah, ah we were we were talking first take about April fools and bad company April fools day jokes and we were talking about how g four I saw just put out a stiletto heal thing today. But i. It's ah it's a I was making the point that golf is in such a strange place right now. Fashion wise that a day like today we're recording April fool's day. You don't know what's a joke and what's real especially with some malbon stuff. Um, yeah, you were saying something about ah your company doing something.
00:30.52
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
00:42.20
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, so I did my company's called exit 5 and I put out a a thing today which you said got you and I just relaun I said I'm going to relaunch as exit 6 and I'm making it all about Ai because basically like nothing in tech is interesting to anybody right now unless it's ai so just it was you know it was a joke. And some guy Dm me and he's like yeah yeah, you call yourself a marketer you didn't even get the domain that you didn't even get the note domain for this launch moron and he sent me like that exit 6 domain was available and I was like oh then then no somebody else in the comments is extorting me but I did.
01:11.96
Casey Ford
He's extorting you.
01:16.94
Casey Ford
I.
01:18.10
dave_gerhardt
I didn't respond this because you never respond to something like that I did look it up I almost bought it last night but it was like $1200 and there's no way. Um, and for for a 1 day thing but it worked I got I got I got you I got everybody? um I need to go check my golf Instagram after this.
01:34.12
Casey Ford
Yeah, this some stuff.
01:36.30
dave_gerhardt
I'm so sick of golf content I'm so sick of golf content I'm so sick of golf instagram ah everything is everything is dumb. It's like the the fake dad situations the fake. You know my girlfriend ah blah blah blah all that stuff the the boot like golf is booze and partying the I saw 1 was 100% fake. There was a post There was like a bunch of cop cars on the golf course and the caption was like ah 2 guys were smoking weed on the golf course. There's no chance that happened sure. No, what do you mean what what? What would look at what is looking into it.
02:02.15
Casey Ford
Well can we stop on that for one second did you look into that because I saw I saw this one too some like it I don't have it well I don't have it in front of me this this happened last week um but it was it was like 2 cut. Yeah like SuV in ah on a fair way and it was.
02:17.10
dave_gerhardt
This sheriff? Yeah, yeah, yeah, something like that Idaho Iowa yeah
02:20.76
Casey Ford
Was it Iowa where was it that was claiming that so I saw wherever that you're talking about. It's probably on Zyre Golf I saw I I saw like the original post somehow in my feed last week and someone below was like.
02:27.34
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
02:36.00
Casey Ford
This is like a police charity event in Florida where they instead of like golf carts. They have Suvs like that the police um and I watched it like I watched the ah evolution of fake news like a fake meme and then like a day later it was on Zyre and people in the comments were like there's not.
02:41.82
dave_gerhardt
Is yeah.
02:52.94
Casey Ford
Fucking palm trees in Iowa what the hell are you guys talking about wherever wherever they said it was from um so just it's a it's it's a great time for the internet not just golf but ah.
03:03.79
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, or just like ah so many things give golf such a bad name like I send them to Leah all the time like look at this. This is what people think that golf is it's like you know some some guy who's so drunk he can't hit his teesh shot and everyone's like golfing with the boys and I'm like that's not what i.
03:18.81
Casey Ford
Yeah, what you're what you're yeah I'd say like 80% of the recreational golf videos in the world come from people who don't play golf at like charity events who are just it's really a drinking event. Um, great content. But it's really.
03:21.90
dave_gerhardt
That's not what I like about golf I've never liked that about golf like fuck that though.
03:35.33
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, anyway, it's April it's April first um are we is golf like looking to be a thing soon in in matte Massachusetts have you heard any rumblings about opening day anywhere.
03:37.96
Casey Ford
Not really what we're doing with it.
03:45.39
Casey Ford
Yeah, a few weeks away I mean it's always a date they put on the calendar and and the northeast they I'd say the weather dictates that more than the greenskeepers but um, actually I just with a buddy mind I just booked a simulator next Thursday at a place here in the city. Coincide with the opening round of the master so you get the sim and like a ah picture in picture of the master so getting some swings in um I don't know when I'll actually get outside. But yeah that next Thursday did you don't have.
04:13.17
dave_gerhardt
That's exciting next week is the master's no two weeks. No next week wow yeah this week next Thursday wow what day what day. Ah, we don't I thought you can say you don't you don't you don't have the masters up in Vermont actually.
04:22.20
Casey Ford
You don't have the masters on your family calendar. Just so your wife knows like starling.
04:31.14
dave_gerhardt
So two years ago two years ago on the Thursday of the masters I got lasi and I thought it was yeah exactly exactly exactly and I came home and I was trying to watch. It's like.
04:36.19
Casey Ford
Interesting. You're supposed to get a vasectomy that day not lazy.
04:47.55
dave_gerhardt
You've like shards it I felt like I was shards a glass in my eyes. It was it was awful.
04:49.00
Casey Ford
Maybe the worst if I had like non elective like you need this surgery tomorrow or else things are going to go scary and it was the Thursday of the master's like we got to push this to the weekend or monday.
04:56.16
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yeah.
05:00.82
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, so that's exciting I may I'm glad to hear you getting out there working on the game. A little bit going to watch. Yeah.
05:08.26
Casey Ford
Let me let me ask you real quick quick to um on April fools have you ever gotten got today. You said you didn't get got by any ah, any of the brands but just personally has anybody ever got you.
05:15.76
dave_gerhardt
Um, um, no, but I'm nervous now like who's going to show up at my door because of you.
05:25.00
Casey Ford
No I'm just I I think back my wife got me we were like six months into dating and I remember I was ah it was like a Monday I was at my office and I was getting rid for all these client meetings and she texted me just like the pregnancy thing and I remember I just. I packed up my bag I don't even know where I was going to go I just had like an anxiety tack at my at my desk I was like 25 years old like a positive pregnancy test. We've been dating for six months I think again I was like at work I had a full day of like all these climb meetings and I just.
05:46.42
dave_gerhardt
Hold on she texted you the pre. What does that mean she texted you the pregnies thing she texts me she says like Casey I'm I am pregnant. Ah.
06:01.64
Casey Ford
Stared at the the picture for like 5 minutes and then I again I just started packing up my desk I don't I don't know where I was going and I was just I was just I was just go I don't even know if I was going home up. No yeah I was just like well I got to I got to go I got a I got a handle I got to figure out what the rest mouth probably like 3 minutes but
06:06.30
dave_gerhardt
But he may wait. What do you mean packing up your desk like for the day. How long did she let it marinate how long did she let it go.
06:21.34
Casey Ford
To me. It felt like an hour and again like I don't I didn't have a plan to like go home I was just like I get ah I have to like my well my work here is done I need to go start my new life wherever the hell that's going to be ah so so that day that was probably ten years ago I put in my calendar every year. Ah ah, reoccurring yearly.
06:34.26
dave_gerhardt
Um, so if.
06:40.17
Casey Ford
Thing at like 6 a m the day of April fools day just says like today's April fools day. Do not don't get got and then I get got by you.
06:45.00
dave_gerhardt
Don't get caught slipping no slipping no slipping. Don't get cut mine was like lame I was just like a big corny business joke like to tava text me that she's pregnant. You would have a 12 year old would you have like a 12 year old right now if that were true. Yes.
06:52.21
Casey Ford
Um, well.
06:56.61
Casey Ford
I don't know if I'd be here. But yeah, there'd be a 12 year old around. Yeah yeah, probably a terrible golfer. Yeah.
07:00.45
dave_gerhardt
Ah, seventh grader. You'd have a seventh grader.
07:06.32
dave_gerhardt
That's amazing now I have' it I'm gonna go check go I'll check my my golf and Instagram um, and then you're going to the simulators. It's just like a social a social event. You know you know work. You know you're not working on any fields or anything just gonna go hits and balls watch the masters I like that right.
07:21.30
Casey Ford
Yeah, but like six weeks away from going down to Pinehurst. Um, so just getting yeah greasing the tires greasing the wheels not tires and just getting back in the swing of things literally. Um, but yeah, and just because it was the masters too I thought it was a. Cool whenever I watch the masters. It's like that for us in the northeast here. It's generally we're not playing golf before the masters. So that really gets you like you're going and then you look outside. It's ° so and got ahead of it.
07:42.42
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
07:49.10
dave_gerhardt
Just real real quick I want to a listen listener shout out to a buddy mine ah Fred Fred named Edward and ah he sent me ah send me text matches he's he's ah on on his flight yesterday flying home from cabot citrus farms played golf down there.
08:02.82
Casey Ford
Um, wow.
08:05.18
dave_gerhardt
Um, he's a good player real good player and he was like listen to the pod listen to the pod right now and I said yeah, make sure you just go to the segment where cko talks about me hitting bombs and just hit that on repeat and that's it successful. But I just want to give him a shout at that place looked a place like awesome and by the way. Big merch guy now that I've been to 1 proper golf facility pinehurst is there a bet. How good is the the orange and then he sent me a picture of a bunch of like the teas. There's like a orange slice is a a tree that the the citrus is It's so good.
08:26.33
Casey Ford
So good.
08:34.80
Casey Ford
I Don't know what what the connection is or just people are into socks now but they have like they keep advertising just socks with the orange on it and for some reason like I got to get those socks like whether I've never even played this golf course.
08:45.55
dave_gerhardt
Um, what? what? what kind of socks though like like 3 qua like mid socks like are they socks that would show are you? okay with that. Okay, okay.
08:56.21
Casey Ford
Ah, there were not socks I would ever wear in a golf course but I didn't order them I want to get ahead of this I did not order golf socks. We talk a lot about wearing other golf courses. Ah Merch socks that are a whole different thing. Um, yeah, speaking of socks.
09:01.36
dave_gerhardt
I was speaking? Yeah yeah, I do have a question this is somewhat related to sock like now that you mentioned socks. so so yes the ca ca logo is awesome. What's your perspective on there's like a trend. It's similar to like the Instagram Golf jogger look there's ah like a. Threequarter you know those like crew socks. You know that kind of go like below your calf like you'd wear ah with birkin stocks or you know like that that look that people wear now they bring them to the golf course. Do you have a certain type of golf sock look that you that you think is like inner ob b.
09:37.60
dave_gerhardt
Like if if you came out to the golf course with your golf shoes on and like the kind of high white Nike socks with the little roll is that inner o b.
09:48.77
Casey Ford
Ah, it's a good question I have a whole thing going on with socks now just in general where it's less of a golf thing. It's more of a generational thing like I'm um, we're working our way out of that. What's the demo 25 to 36? Um, where everyone kind of is looking for. That male audience I'm finding that I'm on the way out of that. Um, so a lot of stuff doesn't appeal to me. It's like turning on the radio and I'm like I don't know what any of this stuff is I don't know who it's for um I don't get the the sock look I don't get the the cool 20 year old sock look like the Quarter length.
10:11.36
dave_gerhardt
And.
10:23.64
dave_gerhardt
Okay, this is kind of where I was going like this is kind of where I was going like that and and ah like why Why is it that everyone tucks I can't reach my leg that way. But why do you tuck? Why did everybody tuck those the pants. Why did the sweatpants get tucked into the sock. Can you.
10:26.16
Casey Ford
Yeah I don't get.
10:41.55
dave_gerhardt
I Don't understand that who thinks that that looks good.
10:42.91
Casey Ford
I well I can tell you right now I can I can't help you with it I don't know why but we're gonna get to the but maybe we should just once a month have like a 23 year old kid on here. Just ask him all these malbo questions like is it is it a bit is everyone joking with this malmon stuff or is it. Um I don't know.
10:49.55
dave_gerhardt
No, absolutely, not absolutely not yes that that's that's it the low you got to have the low.
10:58.41
Casey Ford
I I'm ah I'm a low sock guy I guess they call it no show and then and then I get home and I have like a then have a blister on my achilles for a month but um.
11:07.18
dave_gerhardt
Ah, dude, that's that's kind of where I was going with that. There's this particular. There's a particular type of sock that I have to wear when I play golf because eventually like if if it's if it's a ankle sock but it's just too low by the third hole like you ever have one of those rounds where like. It's going to be a bad when like by the second hole I've already taken my shoe off twice to fix my sock That's that's a real problem exact.
11:27.16
Casey Ford
And you're like you like why is why is this only happening on the right one that the same my feet are the same size the socks the same length. Why is it just I pull the other one up I pull this one up it doesn't happen on that side I don't know I'm with you I'm these things have haunted me forever.
11:39.27
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, all right tell me about ah did did you what What did I miss what did I miss on the pj tour this week because man I got this leaderboard up right now. Jaeger Schuffler toasty detry Moore Finau Gins gracerman rye and Horshill haven't heard a half of those guys.
12:00.33
Casey Ford
Well I'll tell you what? Ah what? what? what you missed was like clockwork another tell a terrible betting loss I had Scotty I'm sure you saw the 5 footer he missed for the playoff. We didn't get into this last week I had I had in a big way I had Wyndham Clark at the players that putt that did the.
12:16.81
dave_gerhardt
Yes, yeah.
12:17.42
Casey Ford
3 60 on the eighteenth hole I'm sure so that streak continues. Ah I actually thought it was pretty interesting. Um, and I'm continually amazed by like these like I was watching Charlie Hoffman well into the first half of the Super Bowl March madness stuff on yesterday I'm still locked into. Thomas dietree um I don't know I guess this I'm a bad um, bad person to ask about like how what the state of golf is because I'm just in whenever I can I can watch it but I thought it was pretty compelling. The scotty stuff is is crazy how consistent he is right now? Um, but you're right, there are. It was a great leaderboard for my thing where almost everyone on tour. That's not like a top player I have someone that I confuse them with like we talked about before like the Ryan Moore Ryan Palmer thing like I if they I could I can tell them apart. But when.
13:06.90
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
13:11.75
Casey Ford
Yeah, I'm looking at a leaderboard I I'm not thinking face I don't think who that is I have this big time with um, ah, who won yesterday and I'm drawn to blank all of a sudden ya yeeger and dietri um one is from Germany 1 is from Belgium you know how they put like the little.
13:21.66
dave_gerhardt
Stefan Yeager Dre yeah yeah Yeah yeah, it's like the german ah yeah, that one of them is like vertical and one of them is horizontal.
13:31.19
Casey Ford
Flags up imin I have it I have it ready for you here I was going to say can you tell me which one's which here so these to these are 2 These are 2 guys that I mess up anyway and these are their flags which they show.
13:43.90
dave_gerhardt
Ah, yes, that yeah.
13:50.42
Casey Ford
Um, so I can't tell the difference between either of them. But I thought it was a good finish. Did you watch any of it. The scotty stuff did you didn't see Scott he miss the twenty Inch butt on Saturday think goes like 22 or something and he lost by 1
13:54.38
dave_gerhardt
no no I didn't I saw it I saw it on I saw it on Instagram he missed a twenty inch putt that's tough and then and so and then he missed a short putt to force supply off. So did he. Is a scottie putting like woes back is that? Ah, what's the narrative. What are people saying.
14:13.23
Casey Ford
You know I didn't watch enough earlier in the week to tell you that I think first couple of rounds he was pretty good with it. The 1 on 18 he missed to to get into a playoff I mean it was like a six foot or five foot or I wouldn't say it's like. When they talk about his putting woes. It's mostly those like right around the whole stuff I mean that's pretty close for a pro but um, the ones he missed on Saturday which ended his streak of rounds under par which was almost a record was like I don't know a foot and a half to two feet it was It was pretty ah. It's it's one of these things where he's so consistent and like from a betting perspective I think his lineme was like he was 5 to 1 which is cra or 4 to 1 which is crazy to start a week when you have 100 and some people in the field and like if you bet that you weren't wrong yesterday. Like as a crazy bet to take with that many people in the field but you weren't wrong, but you also weren't right, you just need 1 guy to beat him so coming to the masters I don't know if he's a is a good bet I'm sure he's gonna be like 8 to one nine to 1 it's just so hard to win a golf tournament. But um I don't know his putter seems to be turning around a little bit I don't think it was the story this week. Obviously there was but that's like a viral kind of clip the short postmit short put misses and and on eighteen that won the the tournament for Jager. But I think he's definitely coming around with it. It's just those are the those are the very visible misses.
15:40.90
dave_gerhardt
Was it good was it good to watch those it was it. It was that an an entertaining entertaining finish or no.
15:44.74
Casey Ford
Yeah I think any time the tournament comes down to like 1 of the last 2 or 3 shots on the whole course It's kind of a success That's how they set it up so Jaeger had a putt to win it. He missed it then Scott he had the five foot or to poor playoff he he just missed it. So. Kind of anticlimactic you like to see people win with a with the maid putt but um, they was for me was entertaining it I like that these kind of lower tier events are so are starting to draw 1 or 2 big guys a week like this week for the Valero Texas open Roh is playing. He never plays the week before the master. So.
16:21.67
dave_gerhardt
Well, he's got He's got to do something different Your boys's got to do so we got to mix it up and in some way. So.
16:24.28
Casey Ford
Um, it makes these events a more watchable. Well those are the his 2 things come out of last year he said I think he said he wants to play the week before he took too much time last year off before which he's doing and then I think that famous story where he got ah like.
16:35.64
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
16:42.19
Casey Ford
Off the first hole last year and they looked at the scoreboard because he was in the afternoon and and I think it was um Brooks was like 7 shots clear of him and he's like right away a minute into the masters I'm 7 shots behind and it fuck with him so he's like I'm not looking at any scoreboards.
16:59.16
Casey Ford
Im 1 or 2 whatever and he's piece. Yeah, it was either his first or say something like that where I think maybe but he bogieed and he looked at the turn and he was because he's starting at like two o'clock and if you remember the masters last year there was all those weather delays so people got played 2 different golf courses. But.
16:59.45
dave_gerhardt
Um, oh he said that he it was. It wasn't his. It was on his first hole of the day he knew that he couldn't win.
17:12.55
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
17:18.23
Casey Ford
Yeah, he was 6 or 7 shots clear before he hit like the second hole and he said mentally he's just like I got to catch up all day and that's really not how you know if he said he's going to play well so we'll see.
17:21.19
dave_gerhardt
Interesting.
17:27.33
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I'd love I'd I'd love a big I'd love a big master's storyline. We don't we don't need a random winner. We need a rory masters win I'd be fine with a scottie win or a big name live guy like a rom or Brooks winning the masters that would be fantastic or Patrick.
17:42.33
Casey Ford
What about a wisdom. How would you feel about that been thinking a lot about this.
17:45.78
dave_gerhardt
Wyndham ah he doesn't do it. It doesn't do it for me. Um, like I get it like he's up and coming. He's playing great I just I don't know. I don't like it's it's tough. It's tough to know it's like it's kind of like going back to like Brooks winning his first major like did it do it for you. It's hard to win when it's the first one. Well I guess he won the us openn but when it's early I like I like when the story line builds a little bit more you're like okay I I like when the big proven guys come out and win win in a major. Um, not to say that Wyndham is not proven. He just I don't know he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't something about him doesn't have me being like man I love that guy I can't wait to watch him play.
18:27.38
Casey Ford
Yeah I don't know what it is I I was with you is I've done a one eighty on him in the last month or 2 I'm not sure what it is have you gotten into that I'm going to say I'm not sure i' really don't know if that did did it for me or not um I think we talked about this a week or two ago to whatever I watched that episode.
18:31.68
dave_gerhardt
Was because of full swing because of full swing.
18:42.69
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah, yeah, and and I here's what's what's hard for me is um and this is totally biased and selfish and whatever. But when I see like a single guy.
18:45.17
Casey Ford
You've watched that episode obviously right? And yeah.
18:55.69
dave_gerhardt
Have a very hard time like my life has just evolved in so many ways having a family and kids and everything so like show me like malnatti winning and he's holding his 4 year old kid and he picked the yellow ball because of a kid I'm like now that's a story. Show me the single guy with all the time in the world and not again, not to take away from anything. It's just a different phase of life we have we're were we're in now I have a harder time relating to that I think I do think that's a piece of it for me with Wyndham.
19:21.55
Casey Ford
Yeah, that's it's it's fair. It's funny. Um, yeah that we were talking about last week the cam young quote where he missed the or had that bad finishing hole and and lost and they're like where's your head. He's like well I got a 4 hour ride home with ah a three year old and a and a one year old.
19:37.63
dave_gerhardt
But isn't that weird. Okay, so I yeah you can't I can't I would rather I don't know why maybe this is why but I'd rather see cam young win the masters in Wham Clark that's kind of like sums up my Wyndham Clark take
19:38.15
Casey Ford
So that's where I am mentally right now you're right I find myself relating more to those people than what you're saying.
19:50.54
Casey Ford
Yeah I get you but his just I brought him up because his odds are like way out of whack. He's like almost 30 to 1 which makes he's been probably the second best player in the world the last year which doesn't make sense to me. But I think it's his first time playing Augustus so hard ah hard to
20:03.75
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, wait you didn't play in the masters last year
20:09.78
Casey Ford
Gauge that no I mean the masters is I think one of this one of the harder ones to get into I think that seems like it makes sense is like the most prestigious but it's a very It's a invitational It's a very It's a. Smaller field that like I think it's probably half the field of field of the us open or the or the british um, but he he won um, he won the wells for fargo last year which is first one and then he won the us open. But I think I know I think both are were after the masters so he probably just didn't didn't get in. Um.
20:39.70
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, they were.
20:44.59
Casey Ford
And I actually yeah I get some men in inner obs this is a good one I was um, maybe we can kick off with it has to do with this topic but there's been in the story of doom wndham and and your boy ah melnati a few weeks ago some things coming out where they're both going to play Augusta for the first time.
20:49.35
dave_gerhardt
Please.
21:02.96
Casey Ford
Next week both have had quotes in last week saying they have had multiple opportunities to go play it over the years but they both decline because they wanted to wait till they qualified to and got the the Augusta National Masters invitation ino be on that you have a chance of playing Augusta are you passing that up because you want to do it the hard way I guess you know I don't know if you think you might qualify one day for that so different for us to answer than then them obviously. But ah I think you get a chance to play that place. You get to play it.
21:39.51
dave_gerhardt
If you're Dave Gearhart and Casey Ford yes I love that I love that neither of them I love that they have not chosen to play that I think that there's just something to that I think it speaks to the level of ah competitor and and expectation for themselves and I feel like.
21:41.91
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
21:56.93
dave_gerhardt
Um, you know there's just guys like that like self-made guys who feel like they have a chip on their shoulder and like no I don't want to go play with some rich businessman I want to play when I get the invite to play because the quality of my game is high I have I as they would say a fuck with that I think that's great I love I love it. Um, especially for guys that haven't like you know who's Peter Mal not like ah I love that the fact that he hasn't and then he wins and now he's there now. It's going to be so much more sweeter like he feels like he he got there right? They don't want the handout I love that.
22:27.77
Casey Ford
That's the thing too because they're such different cases like Clark could have fifteen more years to play I mean obviously he qualified for by winning. But when he had passed on the opportunity I think it was obviously before he won the us open in the last few years and but he had a you know? Ah. He was a big college player a but is a bright future ahead of him always did but like a guy like mall Naty who has been kind of a journeyman and you know this could if he didn't get that win two weeks ago it could have been one of his last is last year on tour or again just because you're on tour doesn't mean you qualify for the masters. He'd never had before.
22:53.82
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
23:03.73
Casey Ford
Um, so interesting. A guy towards the end of his career felt that way. It's It's a complex game. Ah, but it's one of those things you don't you would never find that dilemma really in any other sport I don't think I mean you get superstitions of guys like don't want to touch the conference champion trophy to not Jinx I mean that kind of.
23:21.42
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah.
23:22.54
Casey Ford
Superstition exists everywhere especially pitchers as you know, um, but golf is just such a I don't know everyone has their own thing like that I love it I I think I'm with you like I As as a master's super fan.
23:39.12
Casey Ford
It's like hard to hear that obviously but you got to go play but I like I like that people have those principles and I don't know it's cool.
23:44.86
dave_gerhardt
And do you think he's It's just that He's never played. Do you think he's ever been there like was a spectator as a Patron sorry.
23:51.32
Casey Ford
I Don't know that's a good question I Wonder if there's a yeah I'm not I'm not sure I would assume.
23:59.96
dave_gerhardt
Um, like how would how would Kevin how would Kevin Garnett answer that question.
24:04.56
Casey Ford
What do you mean? you're you're you're asking my brain to go somewhere that I've never considered.
24:09.32
dave_gerhardt
That's a very loaded question. Sorry man Sorry don't use the words he would Act. Don't get canceled. Um, if he was if he was ah if he was a professional golfer and got an invite to go play. I would assume he would say no fucking way I'm not playing um I will play there when I Yeah so that's that's how I see it.
24:25.49
Casey Ford
Yeah, hundred percent and pierce would say Pierce would say yes up I'm coming for two days that's a perfect. It's a perfect encapsulation of those 2 guys and yeah.
24:35.69
dave_gerhardt
Ah, fix it exactly he would he would all right. That's a good one. That's a good one. Um I let me let me go next you this is not inner o b but this is just a question. This is a ask Casey question. Um I want you to name. There is somebody that is in the top 10 career money list top 10 career money list that I think is a little bit unexpected and I want to give you a chance to guess at who that might be.
25:08.72
Casey Ford
Um, Jim furrick.
25:11.17
dave_gerhardt
Furic is 3 and not he was not my unexpected one I how about this how about this I will read you I'm gonna read you I'm gonna read you nine I'm gonna read you nine. Okay Tiger Rory
25:14.36
Casey Ford
You're expecting I I wouldn't expect them 3 on. Okay I might good but on this is is hold on. Do you know about this is Phil on the list. Yeah.
25:28.67
dave_gerhardt
Ah, Phil is not on the list. Did they take him out.
25:31.45
Casey Ford
They took him off the they don't count him anymore isn't that hilarious. So it's it's kind of a caveat. But yeah, okay go ahead. Correct. Yeah.
25:33.54
dave_gerhardt
That is hilarious. So and so none of those guys in there's like Rom's not on this none of those people are on this list deejay us so petty. Okay, anyway, the the top 10 tiger Rory Furrick V j adam scott justin rose jordan spath jason day beep and justin thomas who is beep tiger rory furrick sing scott justin rose speed day beep and justin thomas
25:56.97
Casey Ford
1 more time. Go real quick just last names.
26:10.16
Casey Ford
I was I was hoping you you had missed saying wow he like did it in the last year um two things I love I said last names only the first thing you said was tiger which is perfect because that's.
26:11.18
dave_gerhardt
And 1111isscottieschuffler. so it's not scotty either. Yeah, it's insane.
26:25.23
dave_gerhardt
Um, yeah woods like I me where is it woods. Oh okay, all right? Yeah woods.
26:26.70
Casey Ford
That's it's he's like onno. Yeah, he's Bo Elvis um I was I was thinking you didn't say Justin Rose but I didn't hear him. No I know that's what I was thinking you maybe left out. Um, yeah I don't ah I don't know.
26:33.79
dave_gerhardt
I did I did it's met.
26:46.29
Casey Ford
He stump me? Yeah, yeah, that's exactly the kind of guy I would think to me like co you and furic are the same people. Um like 15 years removed or 10 years removed like I fear as 1 this kucher never had a out of major. No.
26:46.65
dave_gerhardt
It's Matt coture exactly Matt coture. Good yeah, so anyway then then I was looking at that. Ah, looking at that today. Scotty's insane all right? you go next I'll take your inner o b next sure. Sure.
27:06.28
Casey Ford
But just while we're on the on the career money list stuff and I told you at the top that I from time to time will confuse Ryan Moore and Ryan Palmer look up on that list where those guys are.
27:18.37
dave_gerhardt
All right hold on Palmer Ryan Palmer is number 35 he's made a cool thirty three and a half million dollars on tour but the taxes that was palm that was Palmer Ryan Moore Ryan Moore 32 he's one two more. He's he.
27:26.85
Casey Ford
Okay, now look up palmer. You don't have to go far or more there you go and go to more so there's 1 slot between the 2 or 2 in the history of golf money leader the leaderboard.
27:38.26
dave_gerhardt
Wow. Ah, yeah, there's 3 There's 3 spots it goes it goes Ryan Moore upsar kit it goes it goes Ryan Moore Ryan Moore at 32 Justin Leonard 33 Gary Woodland 34 Ryan Palmer 35
27:44.83
Casey Ford
These 2 guys who I confuse.
27:56.89
Casey Ford
Ah, so as of like two weeks ago they were they were consecutive just funny like these 2 guys I say confused they've somehow made like the almost to the dollar the same amount but their top 40 guys all time Brian Moore Ryan Palmer the tiger woods effect is it's it's hilarious. Um, okay.
27:59.95
dave_gerhardt
That's amazing.
28:07.56
dave_gerhardt
Yes, sir.
28:14.30
Casey Ford
Here's one the leftover I had from the players I feel like I've heard people talk about this before but until you see it. You really can't it really does something to you are you in an inner out on I'm going to specifically say Dad's dad's wearing golf shoes to professional golf events.
28:21.40
dave_gerhardt
Oh boy.
28:31.10
Casey Ford
Because I saw maybe 30 pairs of maybe a pair of spikes to him.
28:31.60
dave_gerhardt
Okay I am so I think that is the dumbest thing you could ever do there is a reason why does why do caddies on the fucking Pga tour not wear golf shoes because they are not the most comfortable and best shoes to walk in. So if you're going to a be I just I just love that some guys at his house and he's like yeah im meeting you know Chris is picking me up at 9 he's upstairs. He's got the golf shirt the tucked in shirt the shorts, the belt and he's going to throw his footjoy premies on to go to the course absolutely not golf shoes has gotten much more comfortable I've been wearing the um. Shout it to Footjoy. Thank you for sponsoring this show I've been wearing the Footjoy hyperflexx they're very comfortable. The best golf shoes I've owned this far as comfort level. But like there. There's no equivalent to like being done with golf and taking off your shoes and putting on like a running sneaker. That's a complete what? what a dad move I love that great. Great call out. Um.
29:18.40
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
29:25.80
dave_gerhardt
Is there a dress code by the way like there isn't can you can you wear a t-shirt and Jim shorts to a pj tour event.
29:31.90
Casey Ford
Um, well Gus is a whole different kind of worms. It's not a tour event. Um I yeah I think it's pretty much whatever you want I will say I've been I've I've been lucky enough to go to a a master's practice round I used to work ah a pj tour event I've been to a ton of different ones I've been to rider cubs. Us opens. Um the players was one of the more ah I don't know if is right word but like buttoned up events I've ever been to. It was like it. It almost felt like a major and people it was like it wasn't ah a big. Um. Didn't see ah a lot of like the drinking crowds. Really, there was like a lot of people that looked like they were really super in the golf and then a lot of families but I didn't see a lot of like the fratty kind of thing. Um, so and I also it was the St Patrick's day. This is funny leading back from the April fools. Thing me being oblivious I texted my wife after like 3 hours there I was like everyone's in green and she's like it's St. Patrick's day like oh yeah, I'm an irish guy you probably should should have realized that. Yeah, ah, well when you're in Florida you're just don't assume anyone's ever heard of Ireland.
30:33.00
dave_gerhardt
With a name like Casey Ford disgu had no idea it's st patty state.
30:44.46
Casey Ford
Um, you're just in a different planet. So yeah, ah.
30:47.12
dave_gerhardt
Hey you know say same patty's day forever I'm not going to name any names on this podcast but ah St Patty's day will will ah go down in history as the day that I lost my idol lost my mentor somebody that was ah you know? Ah, um.
31:00.87
dave_gerhardt
Ah, mentor to us early in our career had a legendary night on a Thursday night and didn't show up for work the next day on a Friday morning and that was kind of when the the tables the tables turned and and um. You know rockstar employee was was no longer and and ever since then you know case you and I have kind of just that was our jumping off point so you never know when when your colleague that was same patch say you never know when your colleague is going to get when when your you know rockstar manager is going to get too drunk to show up.
31:21.93
Casey Ford
That was a sin patra said now.
31:32.49
dave_gerhardt
For work the next day and you could get you know that could that was our wally pit moment I like to think.
31:36.43
Casey Ford
Something? yeah, we don't to get into that something I learned are very early in my career and again this was me. But if you were ever going to ah drink to excess and not show up for work the next day you have to contact someone about it. You can't just not show up and then not send an email or text someone because then it becomes like a wellness check situation and everyone in the office is not mad anymore. They're like they're concerned Ah anyway, shout out. Ah all right a few more ah inner obess I have this is a quick one.
31:55.95
dave_gerhardt
No, not no doubt. No no.
32:10.24
Casey Ford
I'm sure you saw it happy Gilmore too is in production you in out on happy gilmar to now I didn't think so no, it's but it's back to kind of what I said about ah full swing last week like.
32:15.61
dave_gerhardt
Does nothing for me. You.
32:27.62
Casey Ford
And don't think it's this stuff's not for us anymore like that I turn on the radio. It's not for me I can get mad about like what is this terrible music. But I'm like they're not even it's not for me So I'm not even going to try to like it like I don't mean that about Nep about full swing I don't like it like I Love full swing but there's so many. Pieces of that that have to be We talked about last week but for the masses to like so anyone's spouse or whatever can kind of get into it So a lot of that is regurgitated stuff but there's a lot of behind the scenes stuff we like.
32:49.50
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah.
32:55.25
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, it's tough the level of golf content that I'm at and I'm interested is like I thought there's this random Youtube Golf instructor who has ludwig you know hitting chip shots and he's talking about his different stance and setup. that's that's ra I'm at that's that's whats interesting to me.
33:14.64
Casey Ford
Ah.
33:14.97
dave_gerhardt
Tough It's tough to but I understand that that's not a mass that there's no business in that that that's you know.
33:21.74
Casey Ford
No, and that'll be like a direct to Netflix whatever. Um, so yeah.
33:25.38
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, although I do like some of this stuff barsto lately has been doing. Um, they've been using that guy what the heck is his name is it no rappaport rap Dan yeah, they've been using him more in content.
33:33.51
Casey Ford
Trotty. Oh yeah.
33:40.63
dave_gerhardt
And he got like a lesson with the short game chef that type of stuff is interesting to me. That's good content for me. Yes, that was great that was great that type of stuff is great using the bounds.
33:43.86
Casey Ford
Yeah, and I sent you something from um, Keith Mitchell last week like like ah he's talking about um using the balance on a wedge and like for a guy of my I've been playing golf forever. But I've never gotten to the point where I needed a word worry about. That kind of stuff like I focus on the fundamentals before we get there. Um, and there was something he said in the clip that clicked with me and I sent it to you like well this is like this is a professional top like dumbing it down a little bit which is the kind of stuff I like because.
34:10.59
dave_gerhardt
It's like yeah. Yeah, you're like the you're like the old you're like the old guy. Yeah, the the problem with you I never I never chip with my I don't chip with the sandwige you just pull out the 7 eye and you choke down you hit a little bump. That's how you chip a case.
34:22.59
Casey Ford
Yeah, yeah, well, it's funny like that the number 1 thing I know like growing up playing with my dad. He would always teach or like teaches a strong word probably because he was learning it as he was playing with me but um, like laying up to a number. And then I see like all of our friends like John Sherman or these guys like you don't like like you hit you get as close to the green as you can on a par 5 and 2 statistically and like all I've ever learned was like you're not going to 60 over the water like lay ah hit at 61 to a hundred yards use your hundred It's just funny. How.
34:59.19
Casey Ford
Again, like this is such a crazy sport. How many sports like the philosophies change over the course of 10 years like 15 years like ah what you did baseball wise ten years ago I'm sure for the most part holds up but I'm I don't know but like it's baseball's been around for however, long and a lot of the principles are the same strategy wise.
35:14.63
dave_gerhardt
Yeah I don't know I I think I see some of it I think um I actually think a lot of sports have changed I think a lot of sports have changed now like I haven't paid attention to baseball at all. Just not interesting to me and I happen to go down this dark corner of the internet when I was sick a couple weeks ago on Youtube and um, ah.
35:17.22
Casey Ford
Especially.
35:34.52
dave_gerhardt
Apparently track man is big for baseball and pitching and it works the same way as it does for golf and so I'm watching these like 2 vanderbilt like stud pitchers and like the pitching coach is talking about like this guy would throw a pitch and then they're looking at it on track man and they're seeing like the.
35:37.39
Casey Ford
Um, yeah, yeah.
35:51.93
dave_gerhardt
Angle that it spun from and he's telling him like no get here more and my brain exploded because I'm like oh my god actually this is just like golf and you know you love the Nba right? The Nba has changed um the the Nba has changed a lot I do I do think that the thing that's changing. There is so much more data and strategy like.
36:06.71
Casey Ford
Yeah, yeah.
36:09.59
dave_gerhardt
The rise of data and analytics across all these sports has given way to much more strategy and so yeah, back in the day it used to be like just just lay up there where it's like actually now these guys like in John Sherman's book and some other books. They don't even like they don't even like the 3 would like. If you're on a t and it's like you have driver threewood or 3 iron the math would actually say just hit driver because the variance between your the variance on your 3 iron is actually similar to that of driver and so you're better off taking the chance with the driver and hitting it further. There's there's so much like that.
36:35.90
Casey Ford
Um, yeah.
36:41.22
Casey Ford
Yeah, it's a good point. Um, you're right too and I hadn't thought about it too much like I was thinking more strategy wise like how does strategy like ah equipment stuff and ah sports have change. But how like what other sportive have strategy changed that much from when you know you're.
36:49.10
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
37:00.20
Casey Ford
Growing up playing in a basketball is a great example. the the 3 point line. It's like here is the analytics that showed like ah you know like 3 points is worth more than two which you would you know some of these things sound stupid like like John Sherman was talking about like the first rule when you're in trouble is get out of trouble like it like.
37:14.80
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
37:18.88
Casey Ford
That's such a easy thing to grasp and we should all know it. But sometimes we make things more complicated than we need to I know a guy that got.
37:24.79
dave_gerhardt
Um, well sometimes there's a window sometimes there's a little window and you're like I know I should punch out but like I could hit this little this little right here then and it hits the tree and now I've made 8
37:29.26
Casey Ford
For anybody.
37:36.51
Casey Ford
Yeah, you want to be spef you want the you want the 10 minute conversation with the caddy and then and then this be thing. Um, what was it going to say ah real quick. Did you see the J B Home story from a few weeks ago is a good innero beef for you I don't know the whole story. But.
37:48.55
dave_gerhardt
No no.
37:54.10
Casey Ford
Basically J B Holmes got there were I'll I'm going to give you a very quick overview and it's probably not even that factually correct. But there was like a ah annual.
38:08.93
Casey Ford
Kind of sound like high stakes calcutta tournament going on somewhere I think in the south um, and basically like halfway through it. Some guy was like that guy swing like look like J B Holmes and then they realized the name that he entered the tournament in was I don't know what j b stands for but it was like Jonathan whatever his name is he. Just kind of snuck his way into like a member guest kind of tournament. So like they found out like halfway through it and he's like defending he they won but he's like they did. They waived the cash prize but he kept the trophy or something and he's like they said it was get your best force some and we had the best force him. So ino beyond a professional golfer using like if Eldrick ah something entered you know Tiger's not going to be able to do that but ino b I kind of love it like if you can sneak into a tournament. No one can you can get away with it. Go for it. He obviously got caught. But.
39:03.97
dave_gerhardt
J B Holmes has made twenty five point eight million dollars in his career who knows these guys gamble. You never know how much if he if he needed the money. Ah.
39:07.20
Casey Ford
It's a $30000 Calcutta
39:15.97
dave_gerhardt
I Think it's cool. He's I'm down to the go play like undercover like former pj tor player and go do that. Ah to win to win the money take the money away from somebody else that part's kind of lame but okay oh because he got called out. Yeah.
39:28.67
Casey Ford
So they didn't take the money but that's because they got called out who knows if he would have if but his his quote on on on. Um on Twitter he said I did play under my real name John Bradley it was bring your best team and we had the best team period.
39:34.99
dave_gerhardt
Yeah.
39:46.29
dave_gerhardt
That that's like ah that's like yas are signing up for that pro m as Andrew Waterman that's great I got okay last one for you? Um, ah this is less of a ino being more of a question. There's a number that you play on your golf ball.
39:46.36
Casey Ford
I Don't know I kind of like it I can see both ways. But yeah I love that I Love it.
40:04.87
dave_gerhardt
Matter.
40:05.92
Casey Ford
Does it matter.
40:07.58
dave_gerhardt
Like do do you have a preference does that matter to you like if you pull out a title is 3 will you play that versus a title is you know in 8
40:18.16
Casey Ford
Um, doesn't matter to me I if I can get my if I have the option I'll go high numbers just because I think more distinguishable but doesn't really matter to me you really why? because.
40:28.77
dave_gerhardt
It's got to be before below. It's got to be a 1 2 3 or 4 Yeah, ah because usually those are numbers that you can those are numbers. You want like out on the course like if you make 4 better. You're gonna be all right if my ball is in 8 I'm like man this is.
40:33.73
Casey Ford
Does the numbers you want.
40:44.29
dave_gerhardt
This ball's got a 8 written all over it.
40:46.17
Casey Ford
Well I like the high unique numbers because especially when I'm playing in um, like an annual four day number guest my dad and he hits my ball often and we have to forit a hole. It helps us both I'm um, ah 1 or two years away from going to the yellowlibolic Peter Mnaughty
40:56.86
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, like I love when you find like ah a proy like you find a provy one that's like ah you know 69 and then the name on is like big Tom it's like that like that's his thing that's the I only play the sixty Nines that's his.
41:11.89
Casey Ford
Yeah, 1 year for Christmas I got my dad um a 12 pack of um or whatever. Ah, but case of provy ones but custom I had his friend's name written on him. So everyone who they find him and return the ball to his friend and then he gave it back to my dad so he he got the balls back but without the ah the public shaming not a bad idea. Um I got one more for you. This is more of a personal one I've had um, just want your take on this I think it explains me pretty well.
41:33.59
dave_gerhardt
Sir.
41:43.60
Casey Ford
Um, I'm 20 I'm thirty seven years old I don't know how old I am I'm thirty seven years old my entire life to this day I tie my shoes. Bunny Earstyle are you in a o b on that Dave now listen my parents were like okay now you know that. I'm gonna I'm Goingnna teach you the right? The the other way and I was like I'm good. They're like no no, this is the way you do it'm like I know how to tie my shoes I don't need another way to learn I know how to do it never like growing up playing hockey and like tye my skates bunny ear style my whole life I couldn't tie my shoes the way you.
42:05.30
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, right.
42:21.40
Casey Ford
Tire shoes if you gave me a million dollars right now not because I can't I just well yes because I can't I've never tried I I learned the way I learned and I was like why do I need a second way stuck to it. Can you assess that from like a psychological perspective.
42:34.77
dave_gerhardt
I Have no problem with that. No I have no problem with it because I never learned how to hold a pen the right a pencil the right way and I hold the pencil or a pen like a complete psychopath but it works. Um.
42:39.99
Casey Ford
Interesting.
42:46.31
Casey Ford
Like 1 of these like 2 finger things. Yeah I when you see it wrong. It's what it looks like and again I'm not passing judgment because I tie my shoes like a like a toddler.
42:50.69
dave_gerhardt
This is how I hold it.
42:55.88
dave_gerhardt
Right? and meet Meet. So I mean meanwhile like my daughters learn how to write and she's like you know, got the perfect I can't even do it I tried and um, so no I completely understand it you you accomplished the mission of learning how to do it and you just have stuck with that. Doesn't make any sense I'm a big efficiency guy. It seems like it's working. It's never gotten you in a bad Position. You're like oh no I Tripped and I sprained my ankle because I used Bunny It doesn't matter so you're good. Yeah, So do you have a thing about it. You're like ah.
43:20.20
Casey Ford
All aesthetics people watching me laugh I mean in the rare I'm I'm sure of a complex I'll run into the stall.
43:29.31
dave_gerhardt
Like you know you're at you're like a party and your shoes untied. You're like I'll be be right back and you got to go in the other room and.
43:31.75
Casey Ford
I I took up men's league hockey when I was like 30 I'm in a room of like off duty firefighters like is that kid fucking tying in shoes. Bunny ears now. Yeah.
43:41.65
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, like.
43:46.42
Casey Ford
But tell like I'm sure there's reasons but tell me why one's better than like why is that why is there a ah level to that it I'm sure. Funny ears is easier but is the what would even call the adult I don't want to call it the adult way because that's ah putting myself down but like what's The. What is the advantage to the way most people tie their shoes versus me and my daughter and the rest of her fourth 4 year old class class.
44:13.27
dave_gerhardt
I Yeah I mean look I just I just asked chat gbt and it said no, there's nothing if your shoe gets tied securely and you're comfortable with it then it's as as valid as any other method. There's no fashion police that's going to ticket you for how you tie your laces. And the grand scheme of things that's more about the end result choose that stay on your feet rather than the process so loop away if that's your style.
44:31.53
Casey Ford
Yeah, obviously you know like in this world's political climate. Everyone loves to call each other like sheep especially coming out of like vaccine mandates and all that stuff this is gonna be my new political thing Michael you tie you tie your shoe the adult way. Oh you sheep.
44:40.59
dave_gerhardt
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well I guess I I guess they I love that yeah or like ah which.
44:48.46
Casey Ford
Just because everyone told you to.
44:52.67
dave_gerhardt
Which end of the political spectrum would bunny ears. You know would that be um, on the woke end or would it be? Yeah yeah.
44:56.79
Casey Ford
Um, right in the middle or right in the middle we support both sides equal loops Dave on both sides of the knot.
45:00.47
dave_gerhardt
All right? That's a good one to end on. Let us know how you tie your shoes equal loops. Yeah's let's bring this country together with bunny ears 1 bunny ear at a time you will be in a proper position to teach your kids how to tie their shoes though I think you're they're going to learn fast that tie your shoes just like dad.
45:15.41
Casey Ford
And then they're then they're on their own then you're on, you're fucking. Um, yeah, there's no better way to to end on that. So another family man friend of the pod. We'll see you next week and Rory come on the pod.
45:19.26
dave_gerhardt
Send us out here.
45:28.58
dave_gerhardt
Come on the pod rory after his master's win. He's gonna come on the pod I feel it.