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In this savory and sweet episode of Introverted but Willing to Discuss Tori Amos, we are joined by Timothy Pakron, cookbook author, photographer, food stylist, recipe architect, gardener, and the creative force behind Mississippi Vegan.
Timothy’s acclaimed cookbook Mississippi Vegan reimagines Southern, Cajun, and Creole cuisine through a plant-based lens, with recipes rooted in the food, land, traditions, and family stories of his Mississippi Gulf Coast childhood. His work celebrates place, memory, beauty, queerness, ritual, and the ever-evolving idea of comfort.
But behind all that lush, edible magic is something else we obviously needed to discuss: Timothy is a huge Tori Amos fan. In this conversation, we talk about his personal Tori origin story, the songs and performances that shaped him, and the creative world he has built through food, gardening, music, and self-making.
We also get into the full-circle magic of Timothy’s forthcoming book Garden Variety being endorsed by none other than Tori herself — a moment that feels less like “famous person liked my book” and more like an artist who helped shape Timothy’s inner world finding her way into something he created from that very world.
Using Timothy’s special Garden Variety-inspired YouTube playlist as our guide, we wander through gardens, kitchens, songs, sensuality, Southernness, memory, and the strange little portals that open when music, food, and creative devotion meet.
Join us as we show you the things you’ve been missing, show you the ways you forgot to be speaking, and show you the ways to get back to the garden.
Mississippi Vegan instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mississippivegan/
Timothy's Garden Variety playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwpcDMwM6mqjq9stvIPBa5c25kYUglMDg&si=wxNxzAbIdjzn1u8q
Tori Amos offers quarantine comfort with a recipe for vegan mushroom stew: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/04/849110966/tori-amos-offers-quarantine-comfort-with-a-recipe-for-vegan-mushroom-stew
Timothy’s acclaimed cookbook Mississippi Vegan reimagines Southern, Cajun, and Creole cuisine through a plant-based lens, with recipes rooted in the food, land, traditions, and family stories of his Mississippi Gulf Coast childhood. His work celebrates place, memory, beauty, queerness, ritual, and the ever-evolving idea of comfort.
But behind all that lush, edible magic is something else we obviously needed to discuss: Timothy is a huge Tori Amos fan. In this conversation, we talk about his personal Tori origin story, the songs and performances that shaped him, and the creative world he has built through food, gardening, music, and self-making.
We also get into the full-circle magic of Timothy’s forthcoming book Garden Variety being endorsed by none other than Tori herself — a moment that feels less like “famous person liked my book” and more like an artist who helped shape Timothy’s inner world finding her way into something he created from that very world.
Using Timothy’s special Garden Variety-inspired YouTube playlist as our guide, we wander through gardens, kitchens, songs, sensuality, Southernness, memory, and the strange little portals that open when music, food, and creative devotion meet.
Join us as we show you the things you’ve been missing, show you the ways you forgot to be speaking, and show you the ways to get back to the garden.
Mississippi Vegan instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mississippivegan/
Timothy's Garden Variety playlist: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwpcDMwM6mqjq9stvIPBa5c25kYUglMDg&si=wxNxzAbIdjzn1u8q
Tori Amos offers quarantine comfort with a recipe for vegan mushroom stew: https://www.npr.org/2020/05/04/849110966/tori-amos-offers-quarantine-comfort-with-a-recipe-for-vegan-mushroom-stew
Creators and Guests
What is Introverted But Willing To Discuss Tori Amos?
We’re introverted—but when it comes to Tori Amos, we’re always willing to discuss. Endlessly, in fact. Introverted But Willing To Discuss Tori Amos is a video podcast where three life-long friends and Tori Amos super fans discuss the singer-songwriter’s musical legacy and create an accompanying playlist for each episode. Hosts: Kristen Keys, Matt Mazur, Joe Vallese.
Kk (00:00)
Hello to all the vultures in our pretty pretty ga-ga-ga-garden. I'm Kristen.
Matt (00:07)
my god, I'm Matt
Joey (00:08)
I'm Joey.
Kk (00:10)
And we are Introverted But Willing to Discuss Tori Amos. We have an episode both savory and sweet because we're being joined by cookbook author, photographer, food stylist, recipe architect, gardener, and all-around lovely human being, Timothy Pakron, who you may also know as Mississippi Vegan. His acclaimed cookbook of the same name reimagines southern Cajun and Creole cuisine using solely plant-based ingredients.
Featuring over a hundred recipes inspired by the food, land, traditions, and family that defined his Mississippi Gulf Coast childhood. His work celebrates place, memory, art, and rethinking the very concept of comfort. What we love about Timothy's craft is that it feels deeply grounded and rooted, but never stuck. He creates magical, nourishing, edible works of art that are truly feasts for the senses. And behind the scenes, if you didn't know already, he's a huge Tori Amos fan.
His near spiritual communion with his ingredients, most culled from his own vegetal ecosystem in his New Orleans background, not unlike our favorite redhead's intimate dialogues with her piano. And in a magical twist of fate, it has all led up to his forthcoming book, Garden Variety, being endorsed by none other than Tori herself. So we're going to follow and pull on that fertile thread.
From the songs and performances that shaped him to the garden he's grown around his own creative life to the very full circle moment when Tori found her way into his story and he into hers. Join us as we show you the things you've been missing, show you the ways you forgot to be speaking, show you the ways to get back to the garden. Timothy, we're so happy you're here. Welcome to the podcast.
Joey (01:55)
yeah.
Matt (01:55)
Yay.
Welcome.
Timothy (01:56)
Thank
you so much. This is such a such a treat. And I before I became friends with y'all, I actually was a huge fan of the podcast. And I found y'all I think it was over a year ago. So I've listened to every episode and it's it's an honor to be here. It really is.
Kk (02:14)
You're so sweet.
Joey (02:14)
It's great to have you. Thank you.
Matt (02:15)
That's so nice, thank you.
Kk (02:17)
I know. And like I love food so much. So when I saw Mississippi Vegan follow me, I was like, Hell yeah.
Joey (02:23)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (02:24)
Time to get cooking.
Timothy (02:25)
Well, and I
was and I was tickled when I f because I, you know, I'd been listening to y'all and so I was like, let me go see 'cause I found y'all on YouTube. That's how I found the podcast.
Kk (02:33)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (02:34)
And then I was like, after after a while of listening, I was like, okay, let me go check them out on Instagram, see what's going on. And then I did a deep dive and then I saw that you were following me, and then it was like it was just it was exciting because I had I had no idea that you knew who I was. And so,
yeah. So it just and then we became quick friends and it's it's been so lovely. And I was I I've explained to Kristen before. It's like when I first started listening to Tori and I went to started going to her shows, I saw the connection that the fans had and they were older than me and I was really jealous because I could see this camaraderie and this excitement that they were living. I could tell that they were like following Tori and I was like, I didn't even know you could do that. Like
And they were like staying in each other's houses and and like, you know, comparing notes of the shows. And I was just like,
Kk (03:27)
Hmm.
Timothy (03:28)
it was such a cool world to see. So I feel like I'm getting to live that now. And you know, we'll get to go to the show in New Orleans together. And it's it's just it's really cool to be able to do it.
Kk (03:39)
It's gonna be so fun.
Joey (03:40)
We're so excited for that.
Matt (03:42)
I have to ask when I I may be getting ahead of myself, but when was your first Tori show?
Timothy (03:49)
So my first tour show was here in New Orleans. It was
Matt (03:52)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (03:52)
on the strange little tour. It was 2001. And it was at the
Joey (03:54)
Mm. That's a good one.
Timothy (03:57)
Orphe it was at the Orpheum Theater. And Rufus Wainwright opened the show. And so
Kk (04:03)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (04:03)
I became a huge Rufus fan after that. And I begged my mom and dad to take me and my twin sister, because she was a huge fan. She's a huge fan too. But I was in ninth grade.
And so and it was a school night and I was I I'm from Gulfport, Mississippi, which is like an hour away. But my parents are from New Orleans and I begged them and they they were cool and they they they got tickets and they came. They sat way up in the balcony. I
got pit I got pit tickets because I have my lifeguard money.
Joey (04:30)
Whoa.
Kk (04:31)
That's right, baby.
Timothy (04:33)
I have my lifeguard money. I was
Joey (04:34)
Amazing.
Timothy (04:34)
gonna a I was gonna ask, do y'all remember this was before social media, so this was 2001 but I bought my tickets on eBay and that's where you would get the Tori tickets, and it was like feisty too, cause and there was a lot of listings, but there wasn't StubHub or like they sold on Ticketmaster initially.
Joey (04:54)
No. Chris and I know all about
that. yeah. yeah.
Kk (04:57)
We do. And you didn't
know if they were counterfeit or not. They weren't always, sometimes they were. Y'all,
Joey (05:00)
Right. But sometimes they were, yeah.
Kk (05:04)
I used to get them at the grocery store. If y'all ever get at the Ticketmaster Outlet at the grocery store at the H E B
Timothy (05:10)
What about Blockbuster? People would like wait outside of the Blockbuster.
Joey (05:13)
Crazy.
What a time.
Kk (05:14)
yeah.
Joey (05:15)
people used to also like go to the box office of the actual theater
Kk (05:19)
Uh-huh.
Joey (05:20)
and at ten AM or whatever, just like stand in line and wait for somebody to give you right. Or you'd call the box office. Like it was such a different time.
Timothy (05:29)
I actually missed the physical tickets. I had so many tickets that I collected over the years, but now it's all it's all digital,
Kk (05:35)
I know,
Timothy (05:35)
so
Kk (05:36)
I know.
Matt (05:37)
I lost all of my ticket stubs in a basement flood, which is super sad.
Kk (05:41)
Mm.
Matt (05:42)
But I have one
Timothy (05:42)
No.
Matt (05:43)
very special ticket stub from Red Rocks 2023 baby. It's so good. I know, know.
Kk (05:48)
my god, don't even. Don't even. Mm.
Joey (05:51)
Love that.
Timothy (05:52)
That venue, that venue is something else. God it I I wish I could see Tori there. That would be incredible. It's like
Kk (05:58)
Well, if
anybody changes their mind, me and Joey will be there. So come on through.
Joey (06:01)
We'll be there, so
Timothy (06:04)
Wait, is she playing there on this tour? my gosh. I'm like spinning. I'm like, god.
Kk (06:06)
Yes, baby. Me and Joey are going. Look at him. He's like looking for flights already. Don't
Joey (06:06)
yeah, yeah.
Matt (06:14)
This is what happens. You can't you have to like yeah you have to you have to block them out or they'll convince you to
Joey (06:16)
And Matt is shooting Matt is shooting daggers at us.
Kk (06:17)
I'm I'm good at this.
Matt (06:21)
d to do things that you might not want to do.
Kk (06:24)
I already got Matt to
add two shows in the past few weeks, so
Timothy (06:28)
yeah. I mean I was thinking about Austin because it's you know, it's it's not too far of a drive, it's like seven hours, but
Kk (06:33)
yeah. Mm-hmm. yeah.
Timothy (06:36)
but but yeah, well that's really cool.
Joey (06:38)
We'll be there as well.
Timothy (06:40)
Are you gonna y'all both are gonna be in Aust all of all are gonna be in Austin?
Kk (06:40)
We'll discuss. yeah,
Joey (06:43)
yeah, yeah. We're gonna do New Orleans, Austin, Dallas. yeah.
Kk (06:43)
'cause I'm gonna treat Austin like our hometown show since Matt had
Matt (06:43)
yeah.
Kk (06:48)
lived here for a few years. Like I this is Matt's home, whether he wants it to be or not. So and I'm not
Joey (06:53)
Hmm.
Kk (06:54)
going to New York this year, which is we we all
Joey (06:56)
Mm.
Kk (06:56)
like to convene there too, 'cause we all live there. That could have been a hometown show, but the three of us aren't gonna be there together. So it's gonna be Austin
Timothy (07:02)
Okay.
Kk (07:03)
this tour.
Joey (07:04)
It's really hard for me when
Matt (07:04)
Fortunate.
Joey (07:05)
I don't have you guys in New York, but I'll be all right. I'll be okay.
Kk (07:06)
I know, I'm sad.
Matt (07:07)
Unfort unfortunately
Kristen's son's birthday is on that day. We have to respect it.
Timothy (07:12)
Mm.
Kk (07:12)
I if y'all,
if if it was on the twenty s like, because it's the twenty fourth and twenty fifth, like I can't there's no way for me.
Joey (07:19)
But why doesn't he
want to come to New York and see Tori on his birthday? I don't understand. I don't get it.
Matt (07:22)
Ha ha ha
Timothy (07:22)
yeah. How
Kk (07:23)
Don't no, I don't think
Timothy (07:24)
old is how old is he?
Kk (07:24)
I should do that.
He'll be eleven.
Joey (07:27)
What eleven year old boy doesn't want to come see Tori in New York on his birthday? I don't understand. I I I heard Tori for the first time in eleven, so I hear ya.
Timothy (07:27)
Hmm. I did. When I was eleven I did, but I don't know if he died.
Matt (07:32)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (07:35)
yeah me too.
Matt (07:37)
we would love to hear more about your first expo exposure to Tori
Timothy (07:40)
yeah.
Matt (07:41)
Amos.
Timothy (07:42)
Well, I was I was around eleven. I was in seventh grade, and I have an older sister, Sarah, who is two years older than me. And I think the first song I heard was yeah. And then I think the other song I heard was Crucify. And I remember so vividly one night I like you know was like peeking into a room and her friend her friend and her were hanging out and they had the
Winter single of Tori on the White Horse. Is that correct? Was it the winter single? yeah.
And
Kk (08:14)
Correct.
Timothy (08:14)
I just thought it was, I thought it was the coolest thing. And they were like, yeah, like we're like listening to Tori. And and so I I actually, even though I heard Cornflake Girl first, I actually fell in love with Little Earthquakes first. And I I did go pretty much in order initially.
Kk (08:32)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (08:34)
So I listened to Little Earthquakes and
As a eleven-year-old little gay boy, it just stimulated me in a way that I had just never heard anything like that. And I think I grew up, you know, we listened to the radio a lot. And so I kind of was that was really the only music I was exposed to. And so when I heard Little Earthquakes, it was so stimulating and it was so just exciting and invigorating. And I just gobbled it up. I gobbled it up. I I was obsessed with it.
And then I found Under the Pink. And I love how Tori calls that album an an impressionistic painting because I really like feel that it it does have such an artistic quality to it, but I gobbled that up too. And then I did I found Boys for Pele next, and that's when everything really changed. I
It it felt like a portal to me. And I didn't know how to explain it when I was like, you know, 12 at that point or 13, but it was a portal. It was, I mean, and I remember I was in the back of the minivan with my little I remember the blue disc with the trees on it, put it in the disc man, had headphones on. And it was like I was stepping into another world. And it was I I know I keep saying the word stimulating, but that's what it was. It was like,
I needed something that was challenging for my brain at that time. And it just it scratched that itch, but it also felt it also felt like I was coming home to something. It felt like
Kk (10:17)
Mm.
Joey (10:18)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (10:18)
I had I had listened to it in another lifetime. so there was like a familiarity to it. and I remember cause in Blood Rosia, she mentions New Orleans and and I would listen to it.
often when we would drive to New Orleans to see family. And I didn't even know that she had recorded some of it in New Orleans at this point or that she shot the artwork in Breaux Bridge. Like I didn't even know that. But I felt a deep Southern connection to the album for sure. there's this there's a deep South like kind of Southern gothic vibe to it. and I it's it's funny that I that I picked up on that when I was little
I was actually showing my mom Boys for Pele the other day and I was like, Did you know that like I was listening to this in the back of the minivan and it's and she She
Kk (11:09)
She's like, Hell no.
Joey (11:09)
Mm.
Timothy (11:11)
was like, No, you know? but yeah. So
Kk (11:16)
It is always
like cool like when you think back, like we were all so young, but you like feel it. You don't have the words yet necessarily,
Joey (11:23)
yeah.
Kk (11:23)
but you feel it and that's so cool.
Timothy (11:26)
Well and and and what's interesting about Voice for Pale, and I think y'all have touched upon this before, or maybe with other albums, but when I listen to it now, it I still get the chills and that excitement that I felt when I first listened to it. And I don't really have that with any other musician. I don't
Joey (11:43)
yeah.
Timothy (11:43)
know what it is about Tori, but it's like I can re-feel it. And it's it's you can't put a price on that to be able to to have that emotional connection to something. So
So yeah, so Boys for Pele turned my whole world upside down and it became a part of my identity. And to this day, it is still a huge part of my identity. And it's wrapped up in so much, so much of my creative work, especially because I'm in New Orleans. So I also feel like there's kind of this cosmic connection with like I feel like me and Tori are kind of tapping into the same
Joey (12:22)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (12:25)
I don't know, like creative.
creative, what does she always say? She said it in the in the in the documentary. She did the little mini documentary for Boys for Pele. the current, the currents that
are running through the church like in Ireland, but like the current in New Orleans, there is a current here. There's a there's a creative force here. And you can tap into it. And so I I've been able to tap into it with growing food and ingredients and then also exploring just, you know, Cajun Creole recipes. So
So yeah, so Boys for Pele happened. And then I think I jumped to To Venus and Back.
Joey (13:05)
Mm.
Timothy (13:05)
And I eventually, of course, got to Cornflake Girl and loved Cornflake Girl. But I think I I did skip Cornflake Girl and went to To Venus and Back. And I have to say that was such a that was such a profound moment for me because it was the two disc and it had that live disc. And
Joey (13:22)
Mm.
Timothy (13:22)
at that point, I had never heard.
There were some videos of Tori performing live, but not a lot. And so that live disc, I was blown away because she's singing all the songs that I that I was familiar with, but in a different way. And with a band, and it was like, and then it it sounded like I could hear the crowd, and I was like, my God, there's a lot of people there. You know, like I was just so young, I didn't really understand how it worked. And so
Then I found the and this is when the internet was like, you know, still kind of new. So then I found the dent, which was a huge deal. Y'all remember the dent?
Kk (14:00)
Amen. Mikewhy.
Matt (14:01)
yeah.
Kk (14:02)
Thank you for your service.
Timothy (14:04)
But the dent was the was like the hub, wouldn't you say? it
Kk (14:09)
yeah.
Timothy (14:09)
it had like the most, it had the most information. And so the dent was posting set lists. And I was like, wait a minute, she's playing a different set list every night. And then I started to understand like that people were following her. And there was even like
And I could follow her and watch her play the same set list, but there's even more incentive because she's playing a completely fucking different set list every night.
Joey (14:32)
Right. Right.
Kk (14:34)
Right.
Timothy (14:35)
And she's throwing in covers that she's never played before. And you just don't know what you're gonna get. And that was so thrilling to me.
Kk (14:43)
It still is.
Timothy (14:45)
it still is to this day. It still is. And it just goes to show you that she was born to perform. She was
Kk (14:53)
Uh-huh.
Timothy (14:54)
born to play live. And that
Joey (14:55)
Hundred percent. yeah.
Timothy (14:57)
and
I can't even tell you. She ruined me because I've been to so many live shows. I've been to so
Kk (15:02)
I never
Joey (15:01)
Ha ha.
Timothy (15:02)
many live shows and I'm like, this chicken shit gig, like what is this? Like they're not even putting their heart into it. Like they're and I I think I saw someone two times on a tour and it was the exact set list to a T And I was like, girl,
Kk (15:16)
yeah.
Timothy (15:17)
you don't even you don't even know like what what Tori's doing.
Joey (15:20)
Even the sound quality
of other artists like in their concerts, like I honestly don't think I've been to any other concert. I've been to a lot of concerts where the sound quality is even close
Timothy (15:31)
Mm.
Joey (15:32)
to what Tori is like live. Like just the mixing, the mastering, like just the just
Kk (15:36)
Mm.
Timothy (15:36)
Mm.
Joey (15:37)
the care. Like if you don't so most concerts, if you don't know the song, you will not understand what's happening or what you're hearing.
Timothy (15:45)
yeah.
Joey (15:45)
It's just not not happening, you know? they put a lot of care into that.
Matt (15:50)
I mean, she's incredibly
Timothy (15:50)
yeah.
Matt (15:51)
incredibly fortunate to be married to like one of the great sound sounds engineer sound engineers.
Joey (15:54)
Right. And great sound engineers, yeah.
Timothy (15:54)
Mark.
Matt (15:58)
truly I I can't like give Mark enough credit for his skill, his technical expertise. I mean, he's just he's so good at what he does. shout out.
Kk (16:09)
yeah.
Timothy (16:09)
Well, shout out to Mark. And I think that just goes to show you, like, especially with how she just f followed this creative momentum of just being like, We're gonna go to Ireland. I need to find a church to record in. And then she finds this crew, and then she meets her future husband.
Joey (16:24)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (16:25)
It just feels like, and that's what that's what's so inspiring too about her creative process is she just she listens to what her instincts tell her to do. And then it led her to that. And then I mean, you can't tell me that that's like.
A magical synchronistic event that she met her husband on this album. And then, you know, he's become a part of her her career. And it's just it's just really cool to see how it all un unfold unfolded. And I don't know if you know, maybe newer Tori fans don't maybe they don't know that she met Mark that way, but but yeah, that's really cool. So after Timus and Back, then I started doing online research.
Joey (17:07)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (17:08)
Got
into choir got into choirgirl. And I had never really listened to electronic music, which now electronic music is like
Kk (17:15)
Mm.
Timothy (17:16)
one of my favorite, you know, genres of music. But I so it was I was kind of taken aback with the transition from the first three albums, but I quickly fell in love with it. And and then she announced Strange Little Girls is coming out. And that was it, that was the that was the first album that
I got to experience her releasing with Strange Little Girls. And I remember when it came out and I got it at the store and listened to it. And to this day I I listen to Strange Little Girls all the time. I just I
Kk (17:49)
How many
how many different ones did you buy? Did you buy all the girls? Or which girl did you buy?
Timothy (17:55)
I think I bought the one with where she had the mascara on the bottom and like the the black, the black.
Kk (18:00)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Timothy (18:03)
And you know, I didn't even know who Kevyn Aucoin was too. And and and I'm so mad because on that tour, I bought a calendar and it had every single picture that they took, or
Kk (18:13)
yeah.
Timothy (18:14)
most of them. And that calendar was fucking can I can I curse on here? I don't know if you can use it. Okay. That calendar
Kk (18:18)
Yes, yes. Yes you can
Matt (18:20)
Please, please do.
Timothy (18:21)
was so beautiful and
I looked on eBay and I couldn't find it. I don't know where I put it, but all the pictures from that, from that shoot were just incredible. And it's like, yeah, you have Kevyn Aucoin. It's just, it's, it, it's so cool. and you know, I've watched all of his documentaries and it it and Tori's in one of them. And it's it's really special to see like the connection that they had. And but anyways, I'm rambling. Okay, so so strange little.
Kk (18:49)
You're not.
Matt (18:49)
If wa if if if any if anybody
who's listening right now has a copy of that calendar, please get in
Kk (18:56)
Send it over.
Matt (18:56)
please get in touch. We know we know someone who's listening has that calendar.
Kk (19:01)
For sure.
Timothy (19:01)
will trade I will
send you a signed copy of my new cookbook if you can
send me that calendar. Absolutely.
Kk (19:08)
where are my collectors at, y'all? Get in contact.
Joey (19:09)
Someone's got it. Someone's got it.
Timothy (19:12)
Strange Little Girls came out, and then I saw that she was coming to New Orleans and I freaked out. And I had my lifeguard money. I bought my pit. This was when it would say it would say pit row C C C or row
Kk (19:25)
Yes.
Timothy (19:25)
B B B. And I I like had all my money. It was like maybe $250, $300, but I waited until the very last second.
Kk (19:31)
That's a lot.
Timothy (19:33)
yeah, it was. And I waited till the last second and I
Got those damn tickets. And and so my parents took us to the show. And I remember it was electric. Like just going there and then arriving to the Orpheum and seeing some of the fans out front, there was a buzz. And I had never experienced that. You know, now I know it it happens at Tori shows. It's just what it there's a buzz, you know. And and me and my twin sister, we sat and we saw the show. And I tell you what, I had never seen
A woman, or anyone for that matter, express themselves so fiercely, hold
Kk (20:12)
Mm.
Timothy (20:13)
the energy of a room in such a powerful way, really take you on a journey. And she made me feel something that I had just never felt. And I didn't realize at the time that I was seeing, you know, one of the greatest musicians ever who was born to play live. It's it was it it it I'm just so thankful that.
I found her at such a young age, but it's funny looking back because I had no idea how how how incredible
Kk (20:40)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (20:41)
it actually was. and so but the other thing that happened when I got to the show was there were so many queer people. There were so many
Kk (20:51)
Mm.
Timothy (20:52)
gay guys, lesbians, and women. And the minority was was straight men. And growing up in Mississippi, I was always in a straight man's world. And so to be in this environment,
I'm sure my parents were like, God, like,
Kk (21:08)
yeah.
Timothy (21:09)
you know. But I was beside myself because I was like, my God, this these are my people. And it felt like a sacred space, and it still does, you know. And
Kk (21:18)
Mm.
Timothy (21:20)
I just felt included. And I hadn't really felt like included at at that point in my life. I was so young and I was like, I knew I was gay, and I knew I was artistic and creative, and I knew I was expressive, and I was teased and
I was even teased for listening to Tori and but I didn't care.
Kk (21:39)
Yes.
Timothy (21:41)
But it does, it can dim your light a bit when people make fun of you for being feminine. And Tori taught me that it was not only okay to be feminine, but that it was fierce and that you can be feminine and powerful and you can express yourself in such a beautiful way. And she was like she still is, she's a mother to me.
And I I'm really close with my mom. I adore my mom. But Tori taught me stuff that my mom could never teach me about sexuality, about just, you know, expressing yourself with in a way that is is sometimes scary. And sometimes, you know, you address things that are hard to talk about and and stimulating and and also her stance on Christianity and religion, because I grew up in a Catholic house, you know.
And I always rejected it from an early age because it just it just wasn't adding up for me. It is just like
Kk (22:37)
yeah.
Timothy (22:38)
sp especially
Joey (22:38)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (22:38)
when they told me like, masturbation is a sin. I was like, Why? Why would that why? don't
Kk (22:43)
yeah. yeah, say like
why? Say more, why?
Joey (22:47)
Right.
Timothy (22:47)
You
know, and so I think Tori was questioning a lot about Christianity to
Kk (22:52)
Mm.
Timothy (22:52)
me. and it it so and I didn't, you know, I didn't go into detail with my parents about all that, but but yeah, they d they didn't know what I was questioning while I was listening to her and and how much she was really kind of expanding my mind. So so I left the show New Orleans just buzzing. I was seduced and
Then I went to boarding school in Georgia and
Joey (23:20)
Well.
Timothy (23:21)
Scarlet's Walk was coming out and it was a huge deal. And do y'all remember the chatroom that she had?
Joey (23:29)
Unfortun unfortunately, yeah.
Timothy (23:30)
So well I was
beside myself because, you know, I think that was her first record with Sony at Epic, right? After she left Atlantic. And I could
Joey (23:42)
yeah.
Timothy (23:42)
tell they were doing a big push to do digital like online stuff. But I remember I was in the chat rooms and
Kk (23:50)
Ha ha.
Timothy (23:51)
and I remember they had the thirty we've talked I think we've talked about this outside of this, but they released like the thirty second tracks.
Kk (23:58)
Mm.
Timothy (24:00)
Or were they fifteen seconds? Maybe they
Kk (24:01)
They were short, whatever they were.
Timothy (24:04)
But I listened to them over and over and over again.
Kk (24:05)
Ha
Joey (24:06)
yeah,
Kk (24:06)
ha
Joey (24:06)
of course.
Timothy (24:08)
And and Scarlet's Walk was such a beautiful album, and it was and it was different, you know, it was different than her her other stuff. And but I was so I was so here for it. I was or there for it. And I still am, and I still listen to Scarlet's Walk too. But that tour was incredible, and I know y'all have talked about it before, but that tour I feel like just went on and on and on. I mean, I
Joey (24:35)
Yes.
Timothy (24:35)
saw her.
Kk (24:37)
It did. It was like two years.
Timothy (24:37)
So I d we drove the
Joey (24:39)
She toured for like
Timothy (24:39)
yeah.
Joey (24:39)
a year
and a half or something, yeah.
Timothy (24:42)
So me and my friend drove to Kansas City, Missouri. We mapped it out because yeah, I was in 10th grade boarding school. That I wasn't, you
Joey (24:49)
huh.
Timothy (24:50)
know, if I was like, hey, see, Tori Amos is playing in Atlanta, can I go? They'd be like, no. So I made up this line, said I was gonna stay with my friends on the weekend. And my head of house, who I was close with, she was like my door mom. She liked, she was like, yeah, you can go stay with her. So Friday, I get out of class, we get in the car, we drive.
13, 14 hours to Kansas City, Missouri. Cause it was the only show that was on a Saturday that was that
Kk (25:14)
Weekend. yeah.
Timothy (25:15)
yes. Drove to
Joey (25:17)
Mm.
Timothy (25:17)
Kansas City, Missouri. And this was the first time that I went to a meet and greet. Cause from the dent,
Joey (25:23)
how
Timothy (25:25)
from the dent, I heard about the meet and greets. And me and my friend, you know, I once I got to boarding school, I of course had a little click of girls that I befriended. And
That's why I never got made fun of too much because I always had a posse of of women with me that were like, don't mess with him.
Joey (25:41)
yeah.
Timothy (25:41)
But they all became obsessed with Tori me. And so me and
my friend Alex,
Joey (25:44)
That's great.
Timothy (25:45)
we drove to Kansas City. We got to the venue at 6 a.m. And was
Kk (25:52)
This is like the days for real.
Timothy (25:54)
and there was a line already of
Kk (25:56)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (25:57)
gay pe of you know, gay guys and and women.
the girls, the gays and the theys. that was really fascinating to just be in line with those those people all day and to hear all the stories. Cause these people were were legit. Like there was a lot of people that were like, I quit my job and I've I've like this is my 20th show on the tour. And it's like
Kk (26:15)
Hell yeah, baby.
Timothy (26:17)
And it's like, Well, I wanna do that, but I was in tenth grade.
Kk (26:20)
Ha ha ha.
Matt (26:22)
Wait, was that me?
Kk (26:23)
It w
it it was probably Matty. Joey and I dropped out of college.
Joey (26:24)
yeah,
basically. We literally were skipping school, as Gold Dust said. yeah.
Kk (26:33)
We love that song.
Matt (26:34)
Did
you
Timothy (26:35)
okay.
Matt (26:36)
did you get to meet Tori at this meet and greet that you went to? Okay.
Kk (26:39)
yeah.
Timothy (26:40)
I did. I got s
Joey (26:40)
You did.
Kk (26:42)
you did. yeah,
Timothy (26:42)
and I and I have a picture and that's
Kk (26:47)
we gotta share it if that's okay.
Joey (26:46)
we want to see that picture. You gotta send it to
us.
Timothy (26:48)
yeah,
yeah. yeah, I'll send it to you. yeah. I have a picture of us meeting and Joel Joel, the bodyguards in it, and
Matt (26:54)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Kk (26:55)
Of course, always.
Joey (26:56)
yeah.
Timothy (26:57)
she was wearing a red corduroy jacket. I'll send you the picture. When I ended up I don't want to jump ahead, but but yeah, so I got to meet her and then that night she just was electric that tour. I mean, her voice was so strong and
It was just incredible. And then I was able to see her in Atlanta two
Joey (27:19)
Mm.
Timothy (27:20)
times. I think on the same tour. I don't yeah, it must have been.
Kk (27:23)
Probably.
Joey (27:24)
Shabby came back,
Kk (27:24)
yeah.
Joey (27:25)
yeah.
Timothy (27:26)
So in Atlanta was easier for me because it was I went to boarding school in Rome, Georgia. So it was an hour north. And when I was a the following year, I was a junior and I had a car, so I had a little bit more freedom. so yeah, so then I saw then and then and then I as I got older I still remained like a huge Tori fan, but I started to explore, you know, other musicians and started and started becoming interested in other things. And I think
I think for most of my teenage years, Tori was kind of it. She was like the she was like the main gig for me. And
Kk (28:04)
Mm.
Timothy (28:04)
so I do think it was time for me when I got to my senior year. I started to kind of, you know, explore other music and and then I went to college. and but I always listened to Tori and talked about Tori to like all my friends were like, yeah, he talks about Tori all the time. Just because
Joey (28:23)
yeah.
Timothy (28:24)
she's so fun to talk about.
and so then I moved to New York. And at that point, I was working a whole bunch of little side gigs. but I always had done photography. That was always my passion, was photography and cooking was always my passion. but outside of the side gigs, I was making art for some galleries and I did a couple of shows and it really wasn't fulfilling, but I I did move to New York with that idea of like I'm gonna be a contemporary artist.
And yeah. And so after a few years in New York, I realized that the the gallery world really wasn't for me. And and
Kk (29:04)
Not cool.
Timothy (29:06)
Instagram at the time was starting to become more popular. And I had a friend who was like, You're such a great cook. You're a photographer. Cause I I gradu from college. I majored in studio art with a concentration in photography. And she was like,
you should start a food Instagram. Like you could just talk about the recipes you make. Cause at that point I went I went vegan when I was 20. And so at that point I I had been vegan for a minute and I and I had veganized or I call it a vegan translation of the dishes that I grew up eating. And at the time there wasn't many people doing that. And so on Instagram, now remember y'all, this was a time on Instagram you can only post one picture, a square, and that was it.
Joey (29:49)
Right.
yeah.
Timothy (29:52)
And so the goal
Kk (29:53)
yeah.
Timothy (29:53)
was to create you know what I mean? Like it's it's not
Joey (29:55)
yeah.
Timothy (29:55)
even recognized, it's not even recognizable at this point. But it it it was a it was an amazing time because it wasn't saturated. And if you
Kk (30:03)
yeah, that's true.
Timothy (30:04)
were if you were a good photographer and you had a point of view that was unique, you really stood out. So I started posting pictures of recipes and I started getting into food styling and I started going to the Union Square Farmers Market and finding really cool produce. And y'all, it just blew up. It was just
It was like the right timing. Like and
Kk (30:23)
That's so cool.
Timothy (30:24)
but it was sustainable because I could post one
Joey (30:27)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (30:27)
picture three times a week and it would, you know, bring me new followers and I built a community that way. And so at this point I feel like I'm just trying to maintain my audience. But at that time, it was like there was a lot of momentum. And so I was like, well,
Kk (30:45)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (30:46)
I'm just I'm just gonna stick to this. So I started doing pop-up events.
I started collaborating with people. I started meeting other people in the food world and I worked with someone on a cookbook. Like I just was on set helping to make the recipes and then they were shooting them.
everything was going really well. I was starting to get ready to leave New York. Like I that city like gave me my career. Like it's such an incredible place. But I started to to crave more space. I wanted to grow food and I wanted to live somewhere that was more affordable. So I started to think, well, maybe I'll just move back to Mississippi. Like that's probably one of the most affordable places to live. And you
Kk (31:24)
That's right.
Timothy (31:25)
know, when I and when I created the concept of Mississippi Vegan.
I liked the name of it because it was catchy, but it also represented my my past and then my future of being
vegan.
Joey (31:34)
yeah.
Timothy (31:35)
And so it was kind of a beautiful moment for me to be like, wow, I started this and it had so much momentum. It's actually bringing me back down to the South. And right before I moved, a literary agent reached out and was like, hey, and I think I had like at that point, I had like 50,000 Instagram followers.
And I think that's kind of the magic number for literary agents. If you have, if you
Joey (31:58)
Ha ha.
Timothy (31:58)
have that built-in audience, they're
Kk (32:00)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (32:01)
they
Joey (32:00)
yeah.
Timothy (32:01)
kind of see it as a, you know, they have they have a built-in audience. So she was like, Do you want to write a cookbook? I like, yeah, I would love to. So
Kk (32:12)
That's insane.
Timothy (32:14)
we put together a proposal. Sh I was like, I remember I said, Well, let me move back to Mississippi. I'm moving back in a few months and then I'll work on it. She was like,
Mmm, can you do it by next week? And I was like, and I was like, okay, so this was this was the fall of 2016. So I said, okay, I'll do it. So I put it together. We did like two rounds of edits, and then she sent it out to her list of people. And you know, literary agent, that they're the key to the publishing world. So so I and I remember the following week.
I I I was like, I'm gonna go visit a friend to my agent. And she was like, we have nine meetings set up with different with different imprints, like you can't go anywhere. And I was like,
Kk (32:56)
my gosh.
Timothy (32:58)
So, y'all, the next week I was in Manhattan going up into skyscrapers, having meetings with these publishers. I remember calling my mom being like, Mom, I don't know what I'm getting myself into. Like it was it was wild. And and it and it went to a bidding war.
Joey (33:17)
Wow. That's the dream.
Kk (33:17)
Holy shit.
Timothy (33:19)
It went
it and I didn't really realize it at the time. I just didn't know how any of it worked, you know? And
Joey (33:25)
Mm.
Timothy (33:26)
but yeah, I went to a bidding war and then Avery, who is my imprint, they I ended up going with Avery because they really wanted me and they and because they really wanted me and they really fought for me, it made me want to be with them. And they also, they also have done a lot of
Vegan cookbooks and vegetable-focused cookbooks. So it felt like a good fit. And I also enjoy meeting them in person, you know. but there was definitely some publishers that I didn't really vibe with, and then others I vibe with more. And so Avery was a good fit. So I got the deal. And then the next week I moved back to Mississippi to Jackson, the capital. And for
Kk (34:07)
my gosh.
Timothy (34:09)
So that year, so that was into 2016. So then 2017, I wrote the cookbook, Mississippi Vegan. And it was really just kind of I I feel like I had been writing that book my whole life. and so it it was it was a shorter window of time than my this the my newer cookbook, which was good for me. I think I needed a shorter deadline, but I finished it in 2017 and then it came out in the fall of 2018. And so
After I finished writing that book, I decided it was time to move somewhere else. And I ended up moving to New Orleans. And so that felt like an even more of a full circle moment just because
Kk (34:49)
Mm.
Timothy (34:50)
New Orleans has always been such a inspiration for me. Like in growing up on the Gulf Coast, like we have Po Boy restaurants, and I grew up eating gumbo and I grew up eating red beans and rice. So that's always been kind of like a a big source of inspiration for me. So it was cool to
to to move here. And now that I've been here, I'm just in love with it. It's just, I just feel so at home here. And and it was the perfect place to write my cookbook.
Matt (35:19)
So
this this seems like a lot happened very quickly for you, right? Like a lot of whiplash.
Kk (35:24)
yeah. yeah.
Timothy (35:27)
Yes.
Matt (35:28)
I'm very interested in hearing more about that because I I think that's a really unique position to be in,
Timothy (35:35)
I've learned this from the internet, but the internet is is is just a vortex and it and it and it can go in a really good direction and a really bad direction. I've experienced
Kk (35:46)
Right.
Timothy (35:46)
both, but I didn't I remember when I first started posting on Instagram and my friend said, Here, put 30 hashtags on an image. This is what hashtags was a thing. But I remember I posted one image.
I didn't have any followers at that point, but I put hashtags and then my activity page blew up. And I was like,
Kk (36:04)
That's insane.
Timothy (36:06)
I and I could see it like, like, like, like, like. And then I was looking and it was people all over the world. And I said, my God, this is this is such an amazing. And I you have to understand, I was making art showing it at a gallery that, you know, like
Kk (36:18)
Mm.
Timothy (36:19)
rich white people are be able to see in a in a clean white room. And now I'm able to show work and it's exposed to the whole world. And
And people were able to consume it at all minutes of the days, you know. It it it it's just it's just wild. So yeah, you're right. It it was it was it was tremendous, like the the the whole journey of it. And it happened fast. It really did.
Matt (36:42)
Okay, and the next the next part of the story is also whiplash.
Timothy (36:47)
Yes.
Kk (36:47)
yeah.
Timothy (36:49)
So the Mississippi Vegan came out. It was doing its thing. It had it it it had its own momentum and and I knew it was super niche. And so but it it was doing well and it was getting praise from from people. Jamie Oliver chose it to be in his cookbook club. He has like a cookbook club every month. And you know, it got some good press and and I did.
I did kind of a tour. It was more spread out. Like it it I kind of just would go to cities whenever I felt like it and would just do a signing. but then the pi the pandemic happened. And then so I think this was May 2020. But I was visiting my parents in Gulfport and I open up Instagram and I get a DM from randomly this guy that I actually I made food for his wedding. I did like a small catered wedding, but
They were fans of Mississippi Vegan and they were like, We'd love for you to make food for our wedding. So I did. So, but he did he posted on his story, like, my God, Tori Amos is an interview with NPR and all she talked about was Mississippi Vegan. And I
Matt (37:56)
my god.
Timothy (37:58)
and I was like, wait, this
Kk (38:00)
What?
Timothy (38:01)
is so and I hadn't talked to him, you know, since the the wedding. And and I was like, so I I I clicked the link, and sure
Kk (38:09)
yeah.
Timothy (38:10)
enough,
NPR was doing, I they call it my daily breather, but they were they were interviewing different musicians or artists just to see how they were getting through the pandemic. And sure enough, Tori Amos talks about how she always has Mississippi Vegan in the kitchen. She loves my potato salad. She cooks from it all the time. And then she was like, he also has recipes on his website. She linked my website.
And I mean, y'all, I collapsed on the floor. I l I remember
Joey (38:43)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (38:44)
c I collapsed on the carpet. And it was
Joey (38:47)
God.
Timothy (38:47)
cool to be in in Gulfport, because that's where I first started listening to her. I felt like a a twelve year old boy, like the one
Kk (38:53)
Mm.
Timothy (38:54)
that was listening to, you know, Boys for Pele in the back of the video. But I was like,
Kk (38:58)
yeah.
Timothy (38:59)
so it was it was wild. It was it to this day it was the most
magical synchronistic event that's that's ever happened to me. And I've had a lot of really cool things happen.
Joey (39:09)
I got goosebumps just hearing you talk
about it.
Matt (39:13)
I I love that and
I
I actually I really relate to that. I feel like I had a moment like that as well, also with Tori and it feels very similar. And I I always think like I wish that the me that was working with Tori when I was working with Tori could go back and time travel to like eighteen
Joey (39:32)
Mm.
Matt (39:33)
year old me listening to little earthquakes and just be like, It's gonna be
Timothy (39:36)
Mm.
Matt (39:36)
okay, it's gonna be okay. but I get what you're saying very much, like
you think about your younger self listening to these these records that mean so much to you and then this person who is sort of like at the very top of the the pyramid for you validates that work. That's it's it's there's like nothing can be said about that. There really truly are no words.
Timothy (40:01)
yeah, no, she's my hero. And I remember my and my dad, who doesn't really exp is not very expressive. I remember I was like, Tori loves my cookbook. And he was like, Tori Amos? And and he couldn't believe it.
Joey (40:16)
Ha ha ha
Timothy (40:18)
And I remember seeing that reaction from him because he came to that show in New Orleans and he knows how much
I love her. But even
Joey (40:23)
yeah.
Timothy (40:23)
he was like, he was like, Whoa, this is a big deal. And
Kk (40:27)
Like that made you feel like
it was a big like even seeing him, you were like, shit, this is really a big deal. yeah.
Joey (40:29)
Even bigger deal.
Timothy (40:30)
I c yeah, 'cause
yeah, it's like, my god, I got a reaction out of my dad. So
Kk (40:35)
yeah.
Timothy (40:37)
that makes it sound like he's he's no, he's such a lovely sweet guy, but he's just he's hard to impress, I think.
Kk (40:40)
I know what you mean though, but like a genuine
yeah, like a genuine reaction, like
Joey (40:45)
Well, when somebody knows
Timothy (40:45)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (40:46)
what something means to you, that's also
Matt (40:48)
Yes.
Joey (40:48)
a really specific emotional
Kk (40:50)
Yes.
Joey (40:52)
it's like somebody reflecting something back at you and telling you that they see you. And for it to be your own father, especially as a gay man, when your
Timothy (41:00)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (41:00)
father is proud of you for something, there's a very specific, like almost inar
Timothy (41:03)
Mm. yeah, the very specific.
Joey (41:06)
very hard to articulate feeling because so much shit is wrapped in masculinity and you know.
being the son of a father and, you know,
Timothy (41:17)
Mm.
Joey (41:18)
the fear that being queer is a disappointment to him in some way. I mean, it's just very, very loaded. So I can only imagine that, you know, that was a really, really validating and important moment.
Timothy (41:29)
yeah, it it really was. So I was like, I was kind of spinning. I was I was kind of in shock. And I kept saying to myself, she has to know that I'm a fan. I kept like I I kept trying to convince
Joey (41:41)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (41:43)
myself, like, she has to know that I met her in Kansas City when I was 16. And that, you know, and cause and I remember that moment when I met her in Kansas City. I remember when I
Joey (41:52)
She does have a good memory.
Kk (41:49)
Mm.
That's yeah.
Timothy (41:56)
I got to hug her at that meet and greet.
And I remember I went, Tori. And she she whispered in my ear, she
went, Yes. And I just, it
Joey (42:05)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (42:06)
was so incredible. But
yeah, it's like I kept trying to con I was like, she has to
know. So so I go to Instagram stories and tell my like audience what happened because they know that I'm a huge Tori fan. I had a I had the follower send me like a little Christmas ornament of like a picture of me and Tori that they collaged together.
Joey (42:25)
Aww.
Timothy (42:26)
Cause I talked
Joey (42:26)
That's
cute.
Timothy (42:26)
about Tori
a lot, I'm telling you. Like, you know, my my core audience, they know. So they were like, everyone was
Kk (42:32)
Ha ha
Timothy (42:32)
freaking out. Then so then I posted about an in feed and then the person who interviewed Tori was like, was somehow saw it and was like, this is so great. I'm gonna I'm gonna let Tori know. I'm gonna I'm gonna email her and let her know. Then the next day, or even maybe that day, Tori Amos started following me back on Instagram. And I like
Joey (42:54)
my god.
Timothy (42:55)
Drop my phone,
Matt (42:56)
Wow.
Timothy (42:57)
like I I don't even know it was
Matt (43:01)
Tim, she follows she she follows
like thirty people in the world and you're one of them.
Joey (43:04)
I know, she fell as like nobody.
Kk (43:05)
Not even, like
ten or fifteen.
Joey (43:07)
Amazing.
Timothy (43:09)
Yo, I was I mean I was I was gagged. I was gagged
Kk (43:12)
yeah.
Timothy (43:13)
and and
Joey (43:13)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (43:15)
and so so that happened. So then so so fast forward to Ocean Ocean, which remind me what year that came out.
Joey (43:28)
twenty twenty one, but she toured in twenty twenty two and twenty three four.
Timothy (43:33)
Okay, so 2020, the article came out. We kind of s like we touched space on Instagram, but you know, I she's not running her Instagram. She has a team that's doing it. You know, I'm sure she I'm I I don't even know if she actually looks at it or not, but but their team is doing a great job. Just side note, like
Joey (43:47)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (43:49)
they're doing a great job running her account. but I so I bought tickets to the Ocean Ocean because she came to New Orleans, and I remember I DM'd her.
Or DM'd the team, and I was like, hey, I'm coming to the show. I'd love to bring a signed copy of the book.
that day, John Witherspoon responds.
I was like, I'm coming to the show.
Joey (44:10)
Sure.
Timothy (44:10)
I'd love to bring this on copy the book.
Kk (44:13)
yeah.
Joey (44:13)
yeah.
Timothy (44:14)
So then John was like, Hey Tim, Tori would love to see you. We're gonna leave you two backstage passes at the box office, you know. Can't wait to see you, like very short. And I just was like
Joey (44:26)
Mm.
Kk (44:28)
That's amazing.
Timothy (44:30)
And like you have to understand, like she's such a like she's such like a like a hero to me. Like interacting with her is actually really nerve wracking. It's not something that like when I when I get around her, I get really just I don't know. Like it's hard for me to and you know, you're
not supposed to meet your heroes, but I'm I wanted to meet her, you know, I wanted to meet her again.
Joey (44:53)
There's an exception when it
comes to Tori. She's as good as you you would hope,
Timothy (44:58)
But there wasn't many people. This there was a very
Joey (45:00)
yeah.
Timothy (45:00)
small group that had that pass. And I felt so honored that I was able to but you know, it was a weird time. It was like coming out of the pandemic. Like I'm sure Tori's
Joey (45:08)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (45:09)
just like, she can't do those meet and greets anymore, you know.
Joey (45:12)
yeah, yeah. Those are
a thing of the past, yeah.
Timothy (45:15)
So I meet John, he's lovely. And I had made food for her. I made her a loaf of sourdough bread. I made her potato salad, because that's her favorite.
I made and I brought her a pack of basil seeds, this heirloom lime basil that I love, and I brought the signed copy of the book. Sure enough, the venue took away the food and they were like, we'll give it to the crew. I should
Joey (45:35)
I w I was gonna say
Kk (45:37)
Did they take away the seeds
too?
Timothy (45:39)
They took away everything. And
and I sh I should have I didn't know, but I should have emailed John and been like, hey, I'm bringing something. I just we
Kk (45:49)
How would you know? We don't know we don't know anything.
Timothy (45:51)
didn't know and I didn't want to bug him. I I was like kind of scared that something I I was just like
Joey (45:55)
yeah, yeah.
Timothy (45:57)
even
Kk (45:57)
Like
Timothy (45:57)
going up to the box office, I'm like, hey, my name's Timmy. Like I I think
Joey (46:01)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (46:03)
I have two tickets or two.
Joey (46:06)
yeah, yeah.
Timothy (46:06)
It wasn't even
tickets. It's like two backstage patches waiting for me. And like the lady's looking at me and I'm like, and then sure enough, she's like, here you go. And I'm like, like.
Kk (46:14)
You're like, I know, I can't believe it either.
Timothy (46:18)
But but yeah, so luckily I did I did I was able to get the book back, but they wouldn't give me the food back. And I and so let me go in an order, stay in order. So
I'm
Joey (46:30)
yeah.
Timothy (46:30)
backstage
and then they're like, Okay, it's time for you to go into the room. So I walk in, y'all, and Tori, and I was prepared to do like full monologue, you know. She cuts
Joey (46:41)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (46:42)
me off, she runs up to me, grabs my hand, she's like, my god, I love your cookbook. Your potato salad is so good. I've made so many friends because of your potato salad. And
I was like just stunned because I'm like,
How does she even like it's just so crazy that she knows like who I am and what I do? It was just wild. And I wasn't prepared for her to like be so I don't know, just friendly and down to earth. And I
Kk (47:13)
yeah.
Timothy (47:13)
I just was caught off guard. It was just wild. I told her, you know, how much she meant to me. And I I remember I said, you know, I've met you before.
And I think it was a weird thing to say because she looked at me like
Joey (47:26)
Ha ha.
Timothy (47:27)
and I was like, But I was sixteen and it was
Kk (47:28)
No, that's her thinking face.
That's her thinking face.
Joey (47:30)
yeah.
Timothy (47:32)
Well and I didn't want her to be like, no, you you shouldn't remember this. Like this was the meet and greet at like in two thousand, you know, one like in two thousand three, like but
Joey (47:43)
But I just want to say
the thing about Tori that's so amazing is that even if she doesn't remember it, she knows how much it meant to you. And she's able to tap into and connect with that.
Kk (47:51)
Shears that. Mm-hmm.
Joey (47:53)
And she really respects and acknowledges that. So she like is very focused, even though you know she wouldn't remember 20 years earlier. She knows what it means to you. And so she's able to like connect in that.
Matt (48:06)
And I would just add to that
Timothy (48:07)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (48:07)
that explaining things to Tori in terms of a meet and greet really clicks with her as well.
Joey (48:13)
yeah.
Matt (48:14)
Like so if you
Timothy (48:14)
Okay.
Matt (48:14)
you you know, like if you're saying, Well, I was at a yeah, y
Joey (48:16)
She understands the context and the yeah.
Matt (48:18)
yeah, for sure. yeah.
Timothy (48:20)
yeah. It was yeah, it was it was funny just cause I don't know, I was trying to be eloquent in how I was delivering it to her, but I'm sure everything
Joey (48:28)
yeah.
Timothy (48:29)
just came out scrambled. And my friend Katie,
Kk (48:30)
yeah.
Timothy (48:31)
who's a t who's a Tori fan, was just kind of watching everything happen. And
Joey (48:34)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (48:37)
but I remember I did get to tell her, I said, I was like, Tori, this book wouldn't exist without you. It wouldn't because
Kk (48:43)
Was she surprised to hear that? Like
did she know?
Joey (48:46)
How did she react
to that? yeah.
Kk (48:48)
yeah. Like
Timothy (48:49)
Trying to remember, sh she's she's really
Kk (48:51)
You probably blacked out.
Joey (48:53)
Right.
Timothy (48:53)
good at lit, she's really good at listening, and she and she
Joey (48:55)
Mm. yeah.
Timothy (48:56)
really does look at you. So it was like, but I remember I was like, Tori, like there's I don't think this book would exist without you. You taught me how to express myself, you showed me how to tap into a creative momentum of a project. You like literally showed me how to do it, and and
I just, you know, ha I have to thank you for that. And and then I gave her the pack of heirloom basil seeds. And I remember she was like, How should I grow these? And I was like, in that moment,
Joey (49:26)
yeah.
Timothy (49:27)
like, I can't believe I'm about to explain to Tori how to plant basil seeds. Like, what is this life that I'm living? It's just so weird.
Kk (49:34)
yeah.
Timothy (49:36)
And then she said, I know who can help me with this. And apparently the guy who does her hair, I think, is into plants.
Joey (49:42)
Ha ha.
Timothy (49:44)
And so she was like may I maybe just but she did have someone who could help her 'cause I can imagine her in Florida, you know, growing these like heirlin basil seeds and harvesting it.
Joey (49:51)
yeah. yeah, for
Kk (49:53)
Sure.
Joey (49:54)
sure.
Timothy (49:55)
and you know what she
Kk (49:55)
Course. De Tura.
Timothy (49:56)
did say? She and I don't remember it verbatim, but she did pull me aside and she was like, Well, you know, all of this is because of Tosh. And I was like, and sh I think, you know, she got into veganism because of her daughter. And
Joey (50:10)
yeah.
Timothy (50:10)
and then I think she told me that Mark really got into eating plant-based. And so I could see her, you know, in her kitchen in Cornwall, and she's from, you know, North Carolina, Southern girl, and she's like, okay.
These people in my family want to eat vegan. And then she sees Mississippi Vegan on, you know, Amazon. Cause I remember being like, Tori, did you not, did you not know? And she said, she said, I bought the book. She said, I just bought it because it it I I wanted to make, you know, Southern vegan recipes. And so, but it makes sense that that she found it. It's just, it just goes to show you, though, like what how powerful it is to have a physical product in the world.
And with Amazon and the internet, everything just moves so fast. So
space sheet Sitash, yeah.
Kk (50:54)
Think to kind of have like
in in like your niche though, right? Like, because Tori, we know girl likes her food. She likes food. She likes southern food. So she, so if you if you are making something plant-based in that that food, which is typically not plant-based, like you know,
Timothy (51:12)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (51:13)
like she's gonna be able to see through any like kind of crappy recipe, one that's not well thought out. Like, like I told you that I made your
Timothy (51:20)
Mm.
Kk (51:21)
gumbo and gumbo like I same I grew up eating it for Thanksgiving, for Christmas. I love gumbo.
Timothy (51:25)
Mm.
Kk (51:28)
but I've never had a good vegan gumbo before until now.
Timothy (51:30)
Mm.
Kk (51:31)
But that's because like you're like you are also Southern. Like you get it, you know, it's in you.
Timothy (51:37)
Mm-hmm. Well, and I've learned I've I've learned to recreate that rich umami flavor with things. And I think that's why she
Kk (51:44)
Yes.
Timothy (51:45)
likes the pit the potato salad. Cause I really, I really try to, especially because it is vegan, I try to turn the volume up with all the flavors and make sure that it's it's not lacking. And so
Kk (51:55)
Yes.
Timothy (51:57)
but but yeah, and and I I did know that she liked to cook because she talks about it in her interviews and she talks about food and and
And in like the playlist that I put together, like there's you know, she she talks about food quite a bit in in her songs. And and and yeah, so so that yeah, that so that happened. I met her at the show, she said, keep in touch, and I was like, Okay. I just
Kk (52:26)
That's awesome.
Timothy (52:27)
I left beaming. I loved beaming and and then I think she posted a carousel post.
and included a picture of me like and her holding the book and I just was like
Joey (52:41)
It just kept getting better, huh?
Kk (52:41)
That's amazing.
Matt (52:42)
Wow.
Timothy (52:43)
It kept getting better. It kept getting better.
Joey (52:45)
yeah.
Matt (52:45)
I I wanna just circle back for a quick second to something you you said about when you were meeting her, and that is that the book wouldn't have been possible without her sort of like modeling creative momentum. I thought I
Kk (52:59)
Mm.
Matt (52:59)
think that's
Timothy (52:59)
Mm.
Matt (52:59)
such a great way to think about how just to be inspired in general, but definitely like by Tori herself. I think what she does is so inspiring and just sort of like
Your jaws on the floor with every project she does. And
Joey (53:16)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (53:17)
it's interesting for people who write or who tell stories or who cook or who do whatever, how they're how how they take away inspiration from watching how Tori does it. And that's really how I've always sort of experienced Tori too. I've been fascinated by her work ethic and how she's able to be creative
Timothy (53:33)
Mm.
Matt (53:34)
within that, like that cycle of really producing work too.
Joey (53:39)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (53:40)
but I I love the way
Timothy (53:40)
Mm.
Matt (53:41)
you put that.
the creative following her or being inspired by her creative momentum, I think, is a really interesting thing to think about for all of us.
Joey (53:50)
I think this also
Timothy (53:50)
Well
Joey (53:51)
explains why sorry, Timmy. this also explains I think a little bit why we if you're fortunate enough to get Tori, the reason that you can keep revisiting and hearing new things in her music all the time, is is because you take different things from it and learn from it. Like it teaches you something new at a time when you needed
Kk (54:15)
Mm.
Joey (54:16)
to
all the time. And that's one of the gifts of Tori, I think. And so it's not only like the music is a fixed thing. It's on record, it exists, but we change so then it changes, right? In response to us. and I think that's really interesting because that idea of transformation and reclamation seems to be really linked to your food and how you cook, right? You're sort of reinventing, you know, flavor profiles and reminding people of things that are not literally there.
in the food, right? And
Kk (54:47)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (54:48)
finding a new way to approach it. So in some ways, it sounds like, you know, she taught you the act of sort of seeing again, tasting again, reinterpreting like right, like interpreting again, like a fresh,
Timothy (55:01)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (55:02)
fresh understanding of what's in front of you, right? Like the the ingredient will always be that ingredient. It'll also be that that thing that grows in your garden. but you continue to do different things with that same ingredient, right?
Timothy (55:16)
yeah. yeah. You can totally yeah, transform it and and tell and tell stories with the ingredients and tell and and she does the same thing with her with her music and all of her songs
Joey (55:25)
yeah.
Timothy (55:26)
and and then she does it with her live performances and that's I wanted to touch upon that too, but how she'll completely rework a song into something completely new, even though it comes from that same core song.
Joey (55:37)
Totally.
Timothy (55:37)
And that's and I and I I'll go into that with the playlist, but but yeah, it's back to the creative momentum. I it
You know, I knew that she went to New Mexico to do under the pink and like and
Joey (55:49)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (55:50)
sh it was almost like she was like doing a residency there. And then but when I watched that Boys for Pele little mini documentary, that really is what because obviously we know that she is incredible at expressing herself and she has an artistry with her music, but being the producer of Boys for Pele and then and then like being inspired by Pele.
Which I love Hawaii too. And it's just the fact that she was there and was inspired by that and used that inspiration and used that spark to go to Ireland to a f church and to look
Joey (56:28)
Right.
Timothy (56:29)
at so many different churches and then to look at all these different harpsichords and find it.
Joey (56:32)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (56:33)
She she had to narrow down all these components to bring it all together. And and she had to just listen to herself.
And and she also had Atlantic Records being like, we don't think you should produce it and like questioning it. And it's just it's so wild to me that they like weren't
Matt (56:51)
Well
Timothy (56:51)
excited about it.
Matt (56:53)
I mean she also had, you know, probably th eighty percent of the media at the time absolutely trashing her in the record. So i i yeah.
Kk (57:01)
That's true. Like taking the opportunity
Joey (57:01)
Yes. She was not
Kk (57:04)
to just shit on it.
Joey (57:05)
she was not treated
Matt (57:05)
yeah.
Joey (57:06)
well by critics. She was very rarely well reviewed. I mean, yeah, she she really endured a lot of shit for a long time.
Matt (57:14)
It's pretty marvel
it's pretty marvelous that, you know, I think a majority of us Tori fans find such powerful inspiration from Boys for Pele, given
Joey (57:25)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (57:25)
the the state of it in the world at the time, you know, when it was when it was put out, the
Timothy (57:29)
Mm.
Matt (57:30)
sort of the obstacles that record had to overcome to reach everybody's ears and provide like an astonishing amount of inspiration to many, many people.
Timothy (57:39)
Mm.
Matt (57:40)
I think that's really like blows my mind.
Joey (57:43)
yeah.
Timothy (57:44)
Well, and that's why I put in I put in a r one of the last videos on the playlist I put together. It's a YouTube playlist. I I made sure to put in a radio interview she did because
Joey (57:57)
No, no.
Timothy (57:58)
she she did that radio tour in January after like right when the album was coming out. And honey, she hit the ground running. She did so many, and this was a time when internet was like new. And
Kk (58:08)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Timothy (58:10)
to get your work out there, she
She would go to these morning radio shows and she did so many. They're all on YouTube now. And that's what's so thrilling about being a Tori fan in 2026, is now I have access to all this stuff. So it's like a it's like a scavenger hunt for me to find all this stuff. But I put this specific radio interview because she sings Blood Roses with the piano. And I had never heard it on the piano. And because she she wasn't traveling with her harpsichord, you this was like before she
Kk (58:39)
Right, right.
Timothy (58:40)
went on that the do-drop in tour. So
but she did so many radio shows and it just goes to show you that she knew she's like, I'm gonna no one's gonna do this for me. I have to show this record to people. I have to like put my put this work out there. And
Joey (58:55)
yeah.
Timothy (58:56)
and then she followed that radio tour with the two hundred show tour and she was doing double two sets in one night. I mean
Kk (59:02)
Can't
Joey (59:03)
to go back in time
Kk (59:03)
can't even.
Joey (59:04)
machine and see early and late shows. God
Timothy (59:09)
I could you imagine being a fan and being
Kk (59:11)
No.
Timothy (59:11)
like, I'm gonna see her the next like her next six shows and she's doing two shows each night and with different set lists. With different set lists.
Joey (59:18)
Imagine being imagine being Tori.
Kk (59:16)
I'm gonna yeah.
Joey (59:20)
I can't I'm exhausted teaching two classes in a row, you know what I'm saying? So it's like imagine that.
Timothy (59:26)
I'm barely hanging on with me and my cat Chi Chi. Like, that's it. Like,
Kk (59:29)
Ha ha
Timothy (59:29)
you know, I'm cooking recipes and and she's touring the world, you know. I'm like nervous to come on a podcast and she's like,
Joey (59:34)
yeah.
Timothy (59:38)
but that's she was born to perform. She was born to play live and you can feel it. And when you see her perform
Kk (59:45)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (59:46)
now, even on this new tour, she has this smile on her face, like.
Joey (59:52)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (59:52)
She's
doing exactly what she should be doing. And it's so beautiful to see. And I'm so and it's weird for me to say this, but I'm so proud of her because she's still pushing and she's still doing the work that she wants to do. And and you can and I can feel that Tori that I first saw at the Orpheum Theater in New Orleans. I can see it come out of her even today. And it's it's so magical. It's so magical.
Kk (1:00:16)
yeah. Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:00:19)
And I'm just so proud of her. And and and
It's just endless inspiration of like, wow, you can be you can continue to create really great work for your whole career and you can have fun doing it and it can be meaningful and you can connect with your community and your audience in a really big way. And so she's just a huge inspiration
Kk (1:00:40)
yeah. And you can like
Timothy (1:00:41)
in that way.
Kk (1:00:42)
and like being yourself and going through eras and phases and trying on different elements,
Joey (1:00:47)
yeah.
Kk (1:00:48)
like
Matt (1:00:47)
That's exact I
was gonna say that exact same thing. It's all just being singular, being unique, and having a point of view, right? And I think that's
Kk (1:00:54)
yeah. Mm-hmm.
Matt (1:00:57)
an important lesson that we all take away no matter what our what our field of work is. and I I'm always thinking lately about I don't remember what interview it was in, but it was during when she did the Tori and the Muses press blitz when she said
you know, that not everybody is always gonna be called or inspired to be an artist or a musician or a writer. Sometimes we're called to take care of plants, sometimes we're called to feed people, sometimes we're called to ha be you know, doctors. I have really thought a lot about that and I I I love that lesson.
Kk (1:01:34)
Mm.
Timothy (1:01:35)
yeah, should we jump into the playlist
Kk (1:01:37)
Let's do it.
Matt (1:01:39)
we love to react to a playlist.
Timothy (1:01:41)
Okay. Well, I did this
a bit I did this a little unconventional because I was like I initially we were gonna do like a food playlist and I was like going through the albums and I was like, you know, no, I can do better than this.
Kk (1:01:54)
Ha ha ha.
Joey (1:01:55)
yeah.
Timothy (1:01:56)
I so I put together a video playlist predominantly of live performances that and I've been I've I've told Kristen this, but I really want y'all to do an episode on the hidden jewels, like the live performances that
are just like you know, give you chills and y'all had y'all had
Joey (1:02:15)
Good topic.
Timothy (1:02:16)
y'all did it with Juarez when you that show
Joey (1:02:19)
Mm.
Timothy (1:02:19)
from London.
Kk (1:02:20)
Juarez yeah, the one that Joey brought up.
Joey (1:02:22)
yeah. You messaged
Timothy (1:02:25)
that that
Kk (1:02:24)
Ha ha
Joey (1:02:26)
me to say that it changed your life.
Timothy (1:02:29)
It did, and and this is what's so exciting about Tori. And this is the the fan that I've become, as much as I listen to her albums, the fan that I am today is I'm always on the hunt for her live performances. And and she has so she has so many eras to explore, but I'm still in the world of like the tour. And then because I saw her on the strange little tour, I
Love her performances from 2001. Not we'll get into it with
Joey (1:02:57)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:02:58)
the playlist, but there was something about the sound of that strange little tour. It's kind of echoey. I don't know if you what do you call it, reverb?
Kk (1:03:05)
It's a lot of good
a lot of
Joey (1:03:06)
yeah.
Kk (1:03:06)
good acoustics on that. I don't know if it was like the type of like tapes that people were recording with with whatever was happening in the auditoriums, but I agree that like boots from that that two thousand one tour are really good. Those three New York City nights, I mean stellar.
Timothy (1:03:23)
Well, and y'all
have mentioned it and I was at I was at that March sixth, so that's my birthday, and I was at that Radio
Kk (1:03:27)
No.
Timothy (1:03:28)
City Music Hall show.
But but I know y'all have mentioned a lot about the production quality of Strange Little Girls,
it it transferred to the tour
I'm starting it off with the performance she did on Jay Leno in nineteen ninety nineteen ninety five of Butterfly. and the
Joey (1:03:43)
Mm. We love butterfly
here.
Timothy (1:03:48)
Well, it's such an important song. Y'all correct me if I'm wrong. She did that for higher learning, but did she write it in 95, like before Pele? So she's in between Under the Pink and Pele. So it makes sense that it's like, cause my fa it's in order, good my favorite album of her is Boys of Pele and then Under the Pink. So it would
Kk (1:04:06)
Right.
Joey (1:04:06)
yeah.
Timothy (1:04:06)
make sense that and then Never Seen
Kk (1:04:08)
That's where I live.
Timothy (1:04:09)
Blue is like, yeah. So because she did Never Seen Blue after Pele, right?
Kk (1:04:16)
We didn't hear that till ninety
Joey (1:04:16)
She did a
Kk (1:04:17)
eight, right?
Joey (1:04:18)
she didn't she do a v she did a version of it on a radio show, like a snippet of it, and then it was on the Jackie Strength single. But those singles were both supposed
Timothy (1:04:29)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (1:04:29)
to be sessions from Boys for Pele I don't know if there's some fudging of that, like if there actually are recordings then
Timothy (1:04:35)
Mm.
Joey (1:04:36)
or if she finished. but and same with Butterfly, my gut says that it was something she'd started.
for under the pink and didn't finish. And then when the opportunity for the film soundtrack came, I think she probably reimagined it for it 'cause it feels like a bridge between the two records, right? yeah.
Timothy (1:04:55)
It it does. And I love
I love that scavenger hunt of of like of
Joey (1:05:00)
Mm.
Timothy (1:05:00)
find saying that, like the bridge between the albums. And so and then it and that I remember watching that. I've watched that video, I mean, a hundred times, but I was watching it while writing my new book, which is called Garden Variety. And then at the
Joey (1:05:11)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:05:12)
end, she like looks at the camera and she says, Pretty, pretty garden. And it I felt like she was like looking at me, like saying it. And I've also
Kk (1:05:18)
No.
Joey (1:05:19)
I love that.
Timothy (1:05:20)
and I've become obsessed with butterflies, and I know she likes butterflies too. And so
It yeah. So that performance is just is just like it's one of my I'm just so thankful that it exists, you know.
Matt (1:05:32)
Let's let's also talk about the fact that that was an era where a female solo artist could go on a late night talk show and do a kind of obscure song like Butterfly. I mean, like that it wasn't
Joey (1:05:43)
yeah. yeah.
Matt (1:05:44)
a radio hit, it was on a soundtrack. I think that really speaks to A, her power during that time,
Kk (1:05:50)
Mm.
Matt (1:05:51)
B her sort
Joey (1:05:52)
Totally.
Matt (1:05:52)
of willingness to go there, right? When whenever, wherever. And also just the money that was put behind that movie.
You know
Kk (1:06:01)
yeah.
Matt (1:06:01)
what I mean? Like the money behind the promotion of higher learning. yeah, it really
Joey (1:06:02)
yeah. That's a great soundtrack. Jesus. yeah.
Matt (1:06:06)
we've said this before on the pod, like they don't make soundtracks anymore like they used to make them in the nineties. And I that was a a a
Timothy (1:06:11)
Right. Not like the nine days yet.
Matt (1:06:14)
yeah, and that I mean it was such a big part of Tori's DNA to the point that she has this iconic live
Kk (1:06:21)
Mm.
Matt (1:06:21)
solo performance of a real true rarity. Like it it blows that blows
Joey (1:06:25)
yeah. yeah.
Matt (1:06:26)
my mind. I just spit everywhere
Timothy (1:06:28)
yeah.
Matt (1:06:28)
because I'm so excited.
Joey (1:06:29)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:06:31)
okay, so moving right along, Toodles Mr. Jim. I put this one
Joey (1:06:36)
Mm.
Timothy (1:06:37)
because it is it it to me it it it really has so much food involved in it with like picking ch in a garden too, like picking cherries.
At the end of the song, it feels like she's eating something. Like she's like,
Joey (1:06:51)
yeah.
Timothy (1:06:52)
and I and I picked it and I punched his daughter in the nose. And she's like, Mr. Jim, what's good? It's out I always thought she was like eating like a scoop of ice cream or something that made her salivate.
Joey (1:07:01)
yeah, yeah. So she's snacking on something at the end of that, for sure.
Timothy (1:07:04)
But
I heard I heard that song later and they cut that part out and I was so pissed 'cause
Joey (1:07:09)
Mm.
Timothy (1:07:10)
I love that part. And I don't know why they trimmed it, but
Kk (1:07:12)
Probably 'cause
she was drunk.
Joey (1:07:15)
yeah.
Timothy (1:07:15)
I love it.
Kk (1:07:16)
That's what I think.
Timothy (1:07:16)
I love it. Well,
well, yeah, picking cherries, punching the daughter in the nose, eating at the end. It it and then the next one was Daisy Dead Petals. And I know these two
Joey (1:07:27)
yeah.
Timothy (1:07:28)
like kind of be sides from Voice Repay. Or is Daisy Dead Petals under the pink? Okay.
Joey (1:07:31)
I did think, yeah.
Kk (1:07:32)
And I think, yeah.
Timothy (1:07:35)
but Daisy Dead Petals is another one that just like screams food to me because she says peppermint tray. She also says dirty dishes, so I'm like thinking of the kitchen.
And then fry some eggs and then hamburger made, which is like, I don't
Kk (1:07:46)
Hamburger made, yeah.
Joey (1:07:48)
Ha ha.
Timothy (1:07:50)
but it's funny how she says these these words and sometimes they don't make sense, but like to me, it's like, you know, you think of food and it's like a visceral reaction for me. but but yeah, so Daisy Death Petals and I found a live version that she did in ninety six because there's not many it's hard to find a live version of that song.
Kk (1:08:12)
Yes.
Timothy (1:08:14)
and the the performance is really cool. It's kind of faster than the studio one. And so it
Kk (1:08:20)
Yes.
Timothy (1:08:21)
it was it was really important for me to put together a playlist for the diehard Tori fans that they already know the album. So I wanted to to I wanted to do put something special that I would actually want to like listen to and watch.
Kk (1:08:33)
Mm-hmm. I love it. And I do I agree those early those early live Daisy Dead Pedals, like late nineties, like those are the best live versions of Daisy Dead Pedals. I do like that it yeah, I feel it
Joey (1:08:43)
They're kind of stompy, you know, like yeah.
Kk (1:08:46)
ha picks up a little like speed. I like that.
Joey (1:08:48)
yeah.
Timothy (1:08:49)
yeah, yeah, I can I'm I can like feel I can like cause I listened to it so many times putting this together and it's like yeah. and
Kk (1:08:56)
Like a Clydesdale, as Matt would say.
Joey (1:08:58)
yeah.
Timothy (1:09:00)
then I did another song from from her ninety-four tour and I did cloud on my tongue just because when she
Kk (1:09:09)
Well. Mm-hmm.
Joey (1:09:09)
But
Timothy (1:09:11)
says someone knocking on my kitchen door, it it's
I don't it's I I always go back to like the kitchen because that's kind of the heart of what I do, like even though I garden so much, but like I bring those recipe, those, those ingredients into the kitchen and I'm cooking. And so there's such a strong connection to just just the power that's in the kitchen. but sh that performance is so beautiful. And then she goes into a Joni Mitchell cover, both sides now, in that performance.
Kk (1:09:40)
yeah, I
love yes. Uhhuh.
Joey (1:09:41)
wow.
Timothy (1:09:42)
And so
and you know, blue blue is one of those albums that cause no one's really been able to I call it like a deepness with Tori. Like my love for the deepness that the love that I have for her is so deep. And I don't I can't really get there with other artists. Joni Mitchell Blue is definitely up there where it's like
Kk (1:10:00)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (1:10:00)
yeah.
Timothy (1:10:01)
such an emotional masterpiece. and it's so cool to see that Tori, you know, loves her and was inspired by her. So
Matt (1:10:11)
I I love that line, someone's knocking on my kitchen door. So really now when I think about that, it's it's gonna be you that I picture knock knocking on Tori's kitchen
Joey (1:10:20)
yeah.
Matt (1:10:20)
door. 'Cause
it kinda it kind of is, right?
Timothy (1:10:24)
Well, and it's funny too, you know, and you know what else when I think of kitchen, I remember
Kk (1:10:27)
That's funny.
Timothy (1:10:28)
I remember when she said, you know, why can't Torah read flopped? She was called, you know, a bimbo or whatever, and she like had to pick herself off the kitchen floor. I remember she said that. It's like that's where she was at before she like started little earthquakes. And it the kitchen really is a place of everything. It's like the good, the bad, the you know, the ugly. And then everyone can relate to that kitchen door setup where it's like,
'Cause I don't actually have a kitchen door in this house, but we all
Joey (1:10:57)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:10:57)
can relate to it, you know, that kit that kitchen door.
Kk (1:11:00)
gonna tell you that line has always made me think I I lived f for many years with my grandparents who I adore adored before they passed away and they had you know I l lived in Southeast Texas so Gulf Coast just like you tiny tiny little town
and my grandparents had, you know, it just like a very standard house where the kitchen is in the back and then it goes into like the garage and then the back. So then you have that kitchen door. And houses aren't really
Timothy (1:11:26)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:11:27)
structured exactly like that anymore. That's kind of like an old thing where the kitchen's like kind of in the back. And I always have like a very visceral image of that house when she says that. It's such a southern house in my mind. I love that
Timothy (1:11:39)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:11:40)
line and it just like brings me right there. It's so cool.
Timothy (1:11:44)
It is southern in a way, isn't it? Like this like
Kk (1:11:46)
Yes.
Timothy (1:11:46)
the back the ki the back kitchen door, like, we're going through the kitchen door. Like there's something
Kk (1:11:49)
Yes.
Timothy (1:11:50)
about it. There's always been a southern the a an undercurrent of southern with with Tori. And it makes sense. I mean, she's from North Carolina where the biscuits are soft and sweet. So
Kk (1:11:59)
Well maybe all houses are made like
that. I don't know. I just I only know about southern houses. 'Cause I'm from Texas. I haven't said that in a few
Timothy (1:12:07)
yeah.
Kk (1:12:07)
episodes. Okay.
Joey (1:12:08)
You mentioned it, yeah. A second ago too. keep going
keep keep going to me.
Timothy (1:12:14)
okay.
So next up, this one I I tried to keep it garden and food related, but sometimes I just had to throw in something that didn't. And this was Yes Anastasia
It gives me so much strength just because she was able to combine like five songs into one and make it work in a way. And
Joey (1:12:33)
yeah.
Timothy (1:12:34)
I but it also just feels like sh it's otherworldly. That song feels like it's from another time. And that's the kind of the magic that I'm obsessed with with Tori, is when, like I said, Voice or Paley is a portal for me. But like, yes, Anastasia kind of gave me a taste of that stepping into another world.
And I just get completely lost. And I I it just gives me so much strength. Like it's it's it's just wild to think that I can put that song on if I'm really going through it. And it it it just it's just endless, the amount of strength and inspiration. That's what I want to tell Tori next time I meet her. It's like, you've just given me so much strength. And I mean it's true. She really has. So but that live performance, yes, Anastasia is cause you know, later on.
When she does it later on, like in the 2000s, she kind of cuts the the intro out.
Joey (1:13:27)
yeah, yeah.
Timothy (1:13:29)
She does
Kk (1:13:29)
Yes.
Timothy (1:13:29)
it, she does the intro in this one. So okay,
Kk (1:13:32)
Mm.
Timothy (1:13:35)
next up, this is really exciting. So in 2025, that was probably the one of the hardest years I've ever had. And I was really going through it. And I was in the middle of finishing up my my second cookbook. And I ran into one of my gay friends who I met in New York.
At the Gay Easter parade in the French Quarter. And he's a huge Tori fan. He's a huge Tori fan. And he said, and I was like, my God, I've been going down a rabbit hole of like finding live performances from 96. Like that, that that tour just it just feeds me. And he said, He is like, Have you seen the last show of that tour in Boulder, Colorado? And I
Kk (1:14:13)
Hell yeah.
Timothy (1:14:14)
was like, No. He was like, You have to listen. Cause she did two nights there. She you have to listen that
Kk (1:14:19)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:14:19)
last show.
Because it is electric. It's just like, and you can feel the energy of like she's just wrapping up this world tour that was a
Joey (1:14:29)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:14:30)
massive success. Atlantic didn't believe it. And she talks. And so I included that as the last video. But this next song is just a little improv from that show. And it's called Marching In. That's what they titled it. But it gives me chills to thinking about it. I would listen to this song and go on a walk and I just would repeat it. But
It's so uplifting, and I just yes, yes, yes, and just just the piano, how she's playing
Joey (1:14:56)
Is it the one right before Pretty Good Year? Mar marching home now, going my way, something like that. yeah, yeah. Going to something to something. yeah. I remember that very clearly.
Kk (1:15:02)
Mm.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:15:08)
the piano, it's so uplifting and inspiring, and and I swear I can feel the energy of her.
Feeling defeated, feeling bad because Atlantic basically told her she made a piece of shit album. And then she's talking to the audience and being like, You guys helped me make this album a success and this tour a success. And and then it went platinum. You know, it's like
Joey (1:15:32)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:15:34)
it's just it's just so funny. And but I can feel that there's there's so much momentum in that little tiny song, and I'm I'm just so thankful that she does those improvs. I mean
It's it's so unique to her and that she's like tapping into the energy of the audience and able to, you know, just play this like little ditty. It's wild.
Joey (1:15:56)
yeah.
Timothy (1:15:58)
and I'm really, really impressed that you knew exactly where that song landed.
Joey (1:16:01)
I did,
no exactly.
I've always loved it.
Kk (1:16:02)
Joey has a freakish
memory. Though to be fair, that was a very, very, very famous bootleg that, you know, probably is encoded.
Joey (1:16:08)
The bootleg is super yeah, super famous.
yeah, yeah. yeah,
Timothy (1:16:11)
What? Okay, good.
Joey (1:16:12)
Dew Drop Inn boulder,
Kk (1:16:12)
DDI Boulder.
Joey (1:16:13)
yeah, yeah.
Kk (1:16:15)
That's
Timothy (1:16:15)
Okay.
Kk (1:16:16)
that's probably where I started loving I'm on fire. It had to be from I mean in that one I can hear in my
Joey (1:16:21)
so good.
Kk (1:16:22)
head the exact intonation of the entire one. But yes, but Joey's
Joey (1:16:26)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:16:27)
memory is freakish.
Joey (1:16:29)
yeah.
Kk (1:16:29)
Sorry, Joey.
Timothy (1:16:29)
But how wild
is that? How wild is that
Joey (1:16:31)
yeah.
Timothy (1:16:32)
though that I was already on the scavenger hunt of of list because I had been listening to live shows from the Dew Drop Inn Tour. I hadn't found that one. And then I randomly run into this guy who's visiting New Orleans. And we it was just it it was just the the synchronicity of it all was just so was so cool. And and so and I still listen to that that show all the time. okay,
Kk (1:16:55)
Really good.
Timothy (1:16:56)
next one, and I feel like y'all have talked about this.
But this is her version of Bells for Her on the Dew Drop Inn tour
Joey (1:17:02)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:17:03)
where she did it with the harpsichord. And I know this is like super Boys for Pele heavy and 96 heavy, but it's just endless the amount of strength that it gives me. And I I can, it feels like I can go find these songs. And I maybe have never heard it before. And it feels like I'm finding new music from Tori that
Joey (1:17:21)
yeah.
Timothy (1:17:21)
that feeds me the same way that like Boys for Pele did.
Kk (1:17:25)
It's very New
Orleans it is. Not to say there isn't New Orleans in other music of hers, but it really is.
Timothy (1:17:32)
And then this bells bells for her with with the harp's chord, it almost sounds like medieval. It's like, it just sounds like
Kk (1:17:38)
Mm-hmm. Yes.
Joey (1:17:38)
yeah. That's a good way to say it. yeah.
Timothy (1:17:40)
it sounds like it's from another planet. Like, or like she was like in the 1600s playing the song. I'm just like,
Joey (1:17:45)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:17:46)
and she completely redid redid it. And it's just so striking. And she also talks about mud pies in it. And I I talk about mud pies in the introduction of
my new my new cookbook because that was one of the first things that I did
Joey (1:18:01)
yeah.
Timothy (1:18:01)
when I was a little boy before I really knew how to cook, but I made mud
Kk (1:18:02)
yeah. Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:18:05)
pies and I would out of crawfish piles, I would mix them with water and shape them and then put them on a deck in the sun and they would set into cookies. And I remember my mom was like, Did you make these? These are these look like beautiful cookies. Like they were little mud pies. So yeah, lots of lots of connections connections to that. and
And just so impressed by her that she and then she know as she does the live version of Bells for her when she has the band and it's completely different and amazing and it's just like
Joey (1:18:38)
She's composed and written that song like four times now. yeah.
Timothy (1:18:42)
And that song is so e it's so haunting. And it's so and she really was
Matt (1:18:45)
Yes.
Kk (1:18:45)
Haunting. yeah.
Timothy (1:18:49)
I know she talked about it in the is it Rick Beato, is that how you say his last name?
Joey (1:18:52)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:18:53)
yeah, it's
piato, yeah.
Timothy (1:18:55)
That interview she did, I've watched that gives me so much strength too, just that because she talks about all the struggles that she's been through. But when she talked about writing that song and how it was kind of like circling around her, and she just she just it's she's tapping into this this special
Joey (1:19:10)
yeah.
Timothy (1:19:10)
energy that you know so many people could never even dream of having. So okay, next up, I wanted to do Here in My Head because she says apple green ice cream can melt in your
Kk (1:19:24)
Love it.
Joey (1:19:24)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:19:24)
hand.
Kk (1:19:25)
Love it.
Timothy (1:19:26)
And that that always stuck out stood out to me and also like I've never seen, you know, green apple ice cream. But
Kk (1:19:32)
What, really?
Timothy (1:19:34)
I've never seen it. Have y'all?
Joey (1:19:36)
I've seen sorbets, but but
Kk (1:19:37)
yeah, yeah.
Joey (1:19:38)
not I not actual ice cream.
Kk (1:19:41)
Okay, so at the summer camp it wasn't
Timothy (1:19:41)
yeah.
Kk (1:19:43)
green, but the summer camp I went to there was an apple store and they had apple ice cream. which is
Joey (1:19:49)
Hmm.
Kk (1:19:50)
like with cream and everything. So obviously I'd have to get that. It's very good.
Timothy (1:19:54)
Okay. Okay. And so but this here in my head I did steal from the the Boulder Colorado show just because, like I said, she was just on fire with that. And then she
Kk (1:20:04)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:20:05)
also in that song says, And spring brings fresh little puddles that make it all clear. And that to me is so garden related.
Joey (1:20:14)
yeah.
Timothy (1:20:15)
and
Kk (1:20:15)
Yes.
Timothy (1:20:17)
it's just in the way she delivers that line, my god, it's just it's like chilling. It's chilling.
Kk (1:20:22)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:20:24)
Okay, next up, this is fun. So we're jumping now to the ninety-nine show in London where she performed Juarez. But in
Joey (1:20:32)
Mm.
Timothy (1:20:33)
that show, she did Professional Widow, not the Merry Widow
Kk (1:20:37)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:20:38)
version, and not with the band. And I it's the
Joey (1:20:40)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:20:41)
only live performance I can find of her playing Professional Widow solo. you know what? That no, she I think she did it with the band though. I I feel like this is the only time I've found it where she's played it.
Like off the album just her Am I Crazy?
Joey (1:20:56)
It may be
the no, no, I think you're right. I think it's the only solo, full piano so solo piano, full version of Widow. She may have done it at some other shows that weren't recorded. That was like a festival
Timothy (1:21:08)
Well.
Joey (1:21:08)
tour, like ninety nine, it was like a Christmas thing. that's my memory anyway. and Right,
Matt (1:21:15)
So she was playing that old Christmas classic professional widow.
Joey (1:21:18)
right, right.
Kk (1:21:18)
Ha ha ha.
Joey (1:21:20)
So she did a few shows like that and that's where it came out of, I'm pretty I'm pretty sure.
Timothy (1:21:26)
Well and and just to
Joey (1:21:26)
I haven't listened to that in ages.
That's a good that's a good recommendation.
Timothy (1:21:30)
it's on there. yeah. It but just to piggyback off of that London show, I look I checked out other versions of Wara's and she doesn't take it there like she did in that show in London. And and
Joey (1:21:41)
No, it's kind of the
fr yeah. It's the best one, yeah.
Timothy (1:21:44)
I mean,
my god. yeah. And it's still amazing, but she really she went there at that with that performance. okay, next up, and this one was specifically for y'all. And a thank you to y'all
Joey (1:21:58)
Mm.
Timothy (1:21:58)
for for introducing so much to me and also inspiring me to listen to her later catalog because and I truly believe this. I think you have to be at a right time in your life to to.
Find Tori's music and her older catalog. I'm starting to go through it now and I'm really enjoying it. And I really, I really appreciate y'all, y'all, y'all are pushing me to do it. And I'm finding songs that I love. And and so, but I do know that choirgirl was at the top of your list. And so I I
Joey (1:22:28)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:22:29)
don't know if y'all have seen this performance, but this was at the University of Buffalo, I believe, but it was on the Do Drop In tour. But
I think it was well into the tour and she does this improv during sound check, but it's of Black Dove.
Kk (1:22:44)
Yes.
Timothy (1:22:45)
Of before
Joey (1:22:45)
Mm.
Timothy (1:22:46)
it have y'all seen that?
Kk (1:22:47)
Mm.
Joey (1:22:49)
Y I remember it. I I haven't listened in a while, but I do remember it.
Timothy (1:22:55)
And I just think it's it's kind of rare to see her. And she maybe didn't even know that it was gonna become a full-fledged song, but she doesn't normally play a song that she's like practicing or you know what I mean?
Joey (1:23:05)
Mm-hmm. yeah.
Timothy (1:23:10)
am I correct in saying that? Like she normally
Kk (1:23:10)
yeah. yeah.
Joey (1:23:12)
yeah.
Kk (1:23:13)
Even back in the day,
it was rare. There've been like there's the improv about goodbye girls electric band, which has now come back, but that's like twenty-five
Timothy (1:23:22)
Mm.
Joey (1:23:23)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:23:23)
years later. There there was an instance of her playing Cooling before it was released, right? That
Joey (1:23:29)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:23:30)
so very,
Timothy (1:23:30)
Mm.
Kk (1:23:31)
very rare. And there and then when people would get these sound checks on
recording every so often you'd hear something. But no, I mean
Joey (1:23:40)
yeah.
Kk (1:23:40)
it's rare it's rare and it's really fun to hear that. I wish we had more of those on, you know,
Joey (1:23:46)
Me too.
Kk (1:23:46)
on audio.
Timothy (1:23:48)
Well, I I was watching an interview from I think around Native Invader time, and she was saying that every show they record, and I didn't know that. She said that she's she said that Mark has like records every show. Did y'all know that?
Kk (1:24:07)
Some fucking
yeah, but i yes, but no, it's bullshit. Matt, do something about it.
Matt (1:24:12)
I I don't know what I can do about it, but
I will tell you, Tim, when I was in Cornwall at Martian Engineering working with Tori, I had these two texting me every three minutes saying, How can you get into the control room and steal some masters? How can you get some r how can you get some rarities? I was being I
Joey (1:24:26)
Go to the Go to the We were like, where's the vault? Get the vault.
Kk (1:24:26)
That wasn't me.
Matt (1:24:31)
was on a work
Kk (1:24:31)
I didn't say
Matt (1:24:32)
trip and I had these two breathing my neck for Tori Amos rarities yeah
Timothy (1:24:36)
Two bugs in your ear. yeah.
Joey (1:24:38)
Telling you to record
it with your phone. yeah. I mean we try we tried.
Kk (1:24:41)
I think
that they could release a lot more if they wanted to. I'm just saying.
Joey (1:24:45)
There
is a
Timothy (1:24:46)
My vote my vote would be from Strange Little Tour if they have the record because it just was recorded
Joey (1:24:50)
yeah. That'd be good.
Timothy (1:24:51)
so well. I mean, they just it it's just it's it was recorded so well if they did it the same way. Like and I tried to put in this solo version of Glory from the eighties that she did in Charlotte, North Carolina, but
Joey (1:25:06)
Mm.
Timothy (1:25:07)
I couldn't I couldn't find it on YouTube. I'll have to send it to y'all, but it's
It and and I don't think she performed that one that that much on that tour, but
Kk (1:25:15)
Mm mm, no.
Timothy (1:25:16)
okay, moving right along, we're going into and I wanted one more thing about professional widows. She says peaches and cream. And so that that always is like and I have peach trees in my front yard and there's peach
Kk (1:25:33)
No.
Timothy (1:25:33)
recipes in the new book, so there's that connection.
Matt (1:25:36)
I've also I've
been I've been heavily coveting those peaches. I've been watching your Instagram wishing I had those peaches. I'm in Oregon I'm in Oregon
Kk (1:25:41)
I know. Your garden is incredible.
Joey (1:25:41)
yeah, God. So good.
Matt (1:25:45)
with no no good peaches.
Joey (1:25:47)
yeah.
Timothy (1:25:48)
my God. I wish you could be here right now because I my tree literally has over a hundred. And I'm like
Joey (1:25:54)
Ugh, it's amazing.
Timothy (1:25:55)
every day I'm just like picking and eating peaches. And the raccoons and possums are eating them, and everyone's happy. Everyone's happy except maybe my neighbors. They're like, god. okay. Next up, I did mother because it's definitely one of my, you know, top.
probably top five favorite Tori songs. But when she says breadcrumbs lost under the snow, I there's just something about that line. It's so like almost eerie and haunting. but you know, breadcrumbs, they're definitely they're definitely food. And I I but
Joey (1:26:35)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:26:36)
there's something there's something scary about or eerie about the fact that someone was somewhere and then the snow covers it up and then it's like,
They're it's like it's gone, like you didn't even know they were there. And but I I love mother so much. And this performance is it's from the strange little tour. And so the quality is just it's just incredible. so you should check it out. And then it's funny because I never I I may be a bad Tori fan, but I never studied her
Joey (1:27:09)
yeah.
Timothy (1:27:10)
lyrics as a young kid. So
As an adult, when I look at her lyrics, I'm like, that's what she said. Like, like, I it's not like a lot of the stuff I was like making up in my head. But I
Kk (1:27:23)
yeah, sure.
Timothy (1:27:24)
had I had no idea in the next song Talula that she said balancing cake and bread. I didn't
Kk (1:27:29)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:27:30)
know she said that's what she was saying. So, but I wanted
Kk (1:27:34)
To be yeah.
Timothy (1:27:36)
but I wanted to put this Talula. This this recording was from Strange Little Tour, and then she did it on the
Is that the whirly? Is that the name of the instrument?
Joey (1:27:44)
Mm-hmm.
The worletzer, yeah.
Kk (1:27:46)
yeah, World's
Her.
Timothy (1:27:48)
But she completely redoes the song and it sounds nothing like the original. And it is it's an electric performance. I remember I showed my friend and then she named her dog Talula because of this,
Joey (1:28:01)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:28:02)
because of this live version. but okay, then next up,
Kk (1:28:07)
Amazing.
Timothy (1:28:08)
I'm fast forwarding way to a later song, but I actually fell in love with the song because of the Rick Beato interview and its flowers burned to gold.
Joey (1:28:14)
Mm. yeah.
Timothy (1:28:18)
And it's such a beautiful s song and it it's it there's a sadness to it. And I know flowers burn to gold can mean different things to different people, but in my garden, there is a moment where a flower will shrivel up in the fall and like in the golden in the golden light in the afternoon, it can look gold and and and dried up, and then you can save it and you can save the seeds and you can replant them. but there is
you know, that's that's what it means to me. But I I love that song and I loved how I love how she performed it. And I think that was on Ocean to Ocean when she did that one. And then I this one, I don't know if she's played this live yet, but Blue Lotus from the new album, have y'all seen
Joey (1:29:06)
Hmm.
She hasn't done it yet. We love it. We're obsessed with it.
Kk (1:29:09)
We do love it.
Joey (1:29:11)
So good.
Timothy (1:29:12)
So
from the new album, Gasoline Girls and Blue Lotus are like, I just, I'm just blown away. But Blue Lotus was a full circle moment for me because she brings the harpsichord in on it. And
Kk (1:29:21)
Yes.
Timothy (1:29:22)
I just it I just love it. I love how she uses her her a deep voice, like a lower voice that I haven't really heard from her. And
Joey (1:29:31)
yeah.
Timothy (1:29:33)
it's just really, really powerful. And I love the the concept of like a blue lotus just opening up and
And so yeah, so I really wanted to put that. And then the last two is the radio. So so this playlist you can listen to it like as songs, but then these last two is are quite different because it's the radio interview where she does blood roses on the piano. And this was like in January of ninety six. So this was like before everything she was going out on tour. But I do think it's worth listening to j and she does talk about recording the album in New Orleans a little bit on that interview.
And then she does Blood Roses on the piano, which is just stellar, cause you can really hear the song. And then the last video I included is the whole show from Boulder. just because
Joey (1:30:19)
yeah.
Timothy (1:30:20)
any any t any diehard Tori fan has to listen to that show. I just, I
Kk (1:30:24)
Agree.
Timothy (1:30:25)
firmly believe that.
Joey (1:30:25)
yeah, no, it's
a seminal seminal performance.
Kk (1:30:29)
Yes.
Matt (1:30:30)
Love this playlist and I I know
Joey (1:30:32)
yeah.
Matt (1:30:32)
you said a little bit earlier that you you're you apologize for making it voice for Pele heavy, but if you you know you did see our last episode where we ranked voice for Pele number five. So we're this is making up for it for a lot of people who are listening tonight
Joey (1:30:45)
Ha ha ha.
Matt (1:30:46)
to hear a lot of voice for Pele content. This is for for those people. Wow, wow.
Kk (1:30:49)
It's not number five in my heart. Thank you very much. And I do I think
Joey (1:30:52)
Not mine.
Timothy (1:30:52)
I
Kk (1:30:54)
and Blue Lotus, it like feels like it could be in the Boys or Pele world. So like I like
Timothy (1:30:59)
yeah.
Kk (1:30:59)
I like thinking about that too.
Timothy (1:31:01)
Well and you know it's
Matt (1:31:02)
Same
Timothy (1:31:02)
funny go go ahead.
Matt (1:31:04)
I was just gonna say same as same as Provincetown because of the harpsichord but also the the
Joey (1:31:08)
yeah.
Matt (1:31:08)
feeling of the the percussion and the shifts and the element of surprise in both of those songs, I think hearken
back to Pele.
Kk (1:31:18)
I ranked at number three.
Timothy (1:31:18)
Well, and you
and and you know, and piggybacking off all that too, I feel like Gasoline Girls kind of reminds me a little bit of that that vibe you were saying with I have to look at my notes with I want to say hamburger made, but Daisy Dead Petals. But kind of that, kind of that,
Kk (1:31:36)
yeah.
Joey (1:31:36)
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really. Yep.
Timothy (1:31:38)
yeah, there's yeah, it it's really fascinating to hear the older Tori come through in these newer songs. And
Matt (1:31:45)
Yes.
Timothy (1:31:46)
There's
like a spirit,
Joey (1:31:46)
yeah.
Timothy (1:31:47)
there's like a spirit. There's a spirit to the the all the d all the albums and and they
Joey (1:31:53)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:31:54)
they they live in this newer work and it's fascinating and and and she applies that to her when she reworks the song. I just I love to t I love to tell people like if you go see Tori live, like she could do a song and it's has a completely new life to it. And that's the magic
Kk (1:32:10)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:32:11)
of of live Tori.
And you may not even, you know, you don't know it until you go to the show and you're like, holy shit, like
Joey (1:32:17)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:32:19)
but yes, so that's the pl playlist.
Kk (1:32:18)
That's right. That's right.
Matt (1:32:19)
And that
and that is exactly why we need to see fifty two shows per tour.
Joey (1:32:26)
Yes, exactly.
Kk (1:32:27)
Yes.
Joey (1:32:28)
Precisely.
Timothy (1:32:27)
Yes. Well,
I'm I'm really happy that y'all are going to see multiple shows. I think I'm gonna have to tack on I might have to tack on some more outside of New Orleans.
Kk (1:32:37)
We'll talk about it.
Joey (1:32:38)
Do
it, do it. We'll plot, we'll plot, don't worry. Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:32:38)
Let's let's talk about it before, but also when we'll all be in New Orleans together. And so like we we'll
hang out. We're gonna come eat some peaches. well Joey and I can't meet
Timothy (1:32:47)
Yes.
Kk (1:32:47)
the cat 'cause we're allergic, but
Joey (1:32:50)
I can wave to it from afar. I'm allergic to cats, yeah. Me too.
Timothy (1:32:51)
are y'all allergic to cats? so you can't stay
Kk (1:32:52)
I'm like bad allergic. I'm like bad.
Timothy (1:32:55)
with so you can't stay with me. Y'all were welcome
Kk (1:32:56)
Like lot.
Timothy (1:32:57)
to stay with me.
Joey (1:32:59)
It's really sweet of you, but Kristen and I might might die from the cat allergy.
Matt (1:33:00)
Thank you. I'll do re I'll
Kk (1:33:02)
No, I literally I have I have an epi
Timothy (1:33:02)
yeah.
Kk (1:33:03)
pen. I have an epi pen.
Matt (1:33:03)
I'll I'll do respect
I'll do respect to Chi Chi.
Joey (1:33:06)
Ha
Kk (1:33:07)
I know. She
Timothy (1:33:08)
I know Chi Chi
Chi is like o Chi Chi's over here giving me side eye, like whatever, like these these these Tori fans.
Matt (1:33:12)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:33:12)
I know. It's a really inconvenient allergy.
okay, that playlist was excellent. And I
know that like
Joey (1:33:18)
That was really, really good.
Kk (1:33:19)
you put so much time and thought into it. And I love that it's like both it's like what dri it's there's just a lot of like what drives you, but also like the drive and her that inspires you. You know what I mean? It's all very full circle.
Matt (1:33:30)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
Joey (1:33:33)
You
know, you asked us to do
Timothy (1:33:34)
And I
Joey (1:33:35)
a live hidden gem episode, but I think you just started it. I think you just we could have
Kk (1:33:40)
That's true. You did.
Joey (1:33:42)
you on for it. It sounds like your research is going quite well and you're finding all the good stuff. Exactly. You gave us an
Matt (1:33:45)
You you told us what to do and then you did it.
Kk (1:33:48)
That's true. That blood roses.
Timothy (1:33:49)
I know.
Joey (1:33:50)
example. yeah.
Kk (1:33:51)
That blood roses.
Timothy (1:33:51)
Actually thought
of that. I actually thought of that. I was like, because I I've told I've told Kristen
Kk (1:33:55)
Should just done that.
Timothy (1:33:57)
and Joey before, like, y'all should do a hidden jewels, and then it's like, look at me, I just fucking did it. Like But there's so much more. And and
Kk (1:34:01)
That's great though. We could we can go deeper on that. I actually think we should. yeah. I think
Matt (1:34:01)
Yes.
Joey (1:34:06)
Barely scratch the surface, yeah, yeah.
Timothy (1:34:08)
what I wanna do, you know, I tried to hone it in because I wanted to tie in like these past few years writing my new cookbook and and my connection with, you know, living in New Orleans and boys who play that, but
This list could go on and on. And I'm also excited to explore. And I have been listening to her later live performances, and they're just as powerful and amazing. It's a treasure trove. And I'm so thankful in 2026. And I know y'all talked about this with like listening to Venus and back, and you were like picking up on newer things, but these remasterings and these and and the quality
Kk (1:34:45)
I know.
Timothy (1:34:45)
of things
Joey (1:34:46)
yeah.
Timothy (1:34:46)
and the access to thing, it's like, I mean, remember when.
In the 90s, it's like we were collecting B sides that were falling apart, and I had a scratch CD. And I I remember I had
Kk (1:34:56)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:34:57)
the VA the VHS of all of her music videos up until that point.
Joey (1:35:00)
yeah.
Timothy (1:35:01)
But I mean, y'all I have to understand. I make a I make a pot of coffee and I'm watching the interviews of Tori, you know, from 1990. I just love it. Her
Joey (1:35:09)
We cannot relate. Hey.
Kk (1:35:08)
that's Joey. That's Joey.
Timothy (1:35:11)
interviews give me so much strength, and she always has good
Joey (1:35:13)
No, you're right, you're right.
Timothy (1:35:14)
advice. She always has good advice.
Kk (1:35:16)
She does. She really does.
Matt (1:35:19)
I think it I think I think
Timothy (1:35:19)
I think she said one thing. Go ahead.
Matt (1:35:21)
it also depends on the interviewer though, right? Because she can get with an interviewer that doesn't get her or hasn't done their homework or
Kk (1:35:28)
yeah.
Joey (1:35:29)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (1:35:30)
just might be sort of oblivious
Timothy (1:35:31)
Ooh.
Matt (1:35:31)
to certain facts. And those interviews aren't really giving. But when
Kk (1:35:36)
yeah.
Matt (1:35:36)
you get the the thing that's really cool is and Joey and I are part of this group of people too, but when you get people who are huge fans who start interviewing her and people who are
big fans in the press start talking about her work, then you have a whole shift in that conversation because you've got people who really know what they're talking about doing these interviews
Joey (1:35:57)
Right.
Matt (1:35:58)
and they're bringing that perspective of of being a fan and knowing what other fans want to hear from her in a conversation,
Timothy (1:36:04)
Mm.
Matt (1:36:05)
which I I think is I think is great. but when she has that like maybe that rare interview where where the interviewer rubs her the wrong way or says something weird, you can just tell the the air kind of goes out of the room.
Timothy (1:36:17)
I saw it.
I saw it
Joey (1:36:18)
Mm-hmm.
Kk (1:36:18)
yeah.
Timothy (1:36:19)
with that guy. I think it was in late nineties. She did an interview and he definitely she seems a little uncomfortable. I'm sure y'all I'm sure y'all know who I'm talking about. He like was wearing a suit and she she in the interview she said she was an ant f
Kk (1:36:37)
that's Charlie Rose.
Timothy (1:36:39)
yeah, she said she was a she said she was an ant
Matt (1:36:38)
Rose.
Joey (1:36:39)
yeah, yeah, yeah.
Timothy (1:36:41)
fucker in the interview because she cares about the details.
And
Joey (1:36:44)
Mm.
Timothy (1:36:45)
but I I remember you could tell I don't know if he did a lot of research 'cause he was kind of I don't know. okay.
Matt (1:36:52)
Let me tell you something about Charlie Rose.
Char Charlie Rose never prepared for shit. So I were
I worked for many, many years in New York as a publicist and I would bring clients through and his producers would do all of the work and basically just sort
of like flop some stuff in front of him that he looked at for two seconds. This isn't just like Tori related, but this was anybody who came through. So and
Timothy (1:37:17)
You could tell.
Matt (1:37:19)
I mean I would
Kk (1:37:19)
But she seemed
really prepared and ready to go. Like
Matt (1:37:22)
yeah. Because she's a great conversationalist.
Timothy (1:37:25)
what I took away is sh is he he was like, Do you you should you really care about the attention and details? And she said they matter. And that that really yeah.
Kk (1:37:32)
And her face. You you know what I'm talking she's like
Joey (1:37:35)
I remember.
Timothy (1:37:36)
They matter.
I took that like I do with all of our interviews. I take a little nugget of wisdom from her.
And because you I you know, I go back and forth with my editors because I take all my own pictures and I took all the pictures for the new book and it's like, you know, if if it can't be perfect, then we're not putting it in. It's it's just like, you know, and if I can't have it and I, you know, there was issues with the design happening and it's like I know the vision and don't get in my way. And if you're gonna get in my way, then we're gonna have to change it up because it's you know, and but it's all about the attention to details, a hundred percent. So
Kk (1:38:08)
Sounds like a redhead,
we know.
Matt (1:38:10)
What I'm hearing is it's not a democracy in your world. I it.
Joey (1:38:13)
Ha ha ha.
Kk (1:38:13)
Mm.
Timothy (1:38:18)
my goodness. my
Matt (1:38:19)
Love it.
Timothy (1:38:20)
goodness.
Matt (1:38:20)
Can can you when is your next book coming out?
Joey (1:38:23)
yeah.
Timothy (1:38:25)
So the next book is coming out September 1st. And that's actually that's actually a good segue because I, as I was working on this project, as y'all know, I felt a deep connection to to Tori and her creative process, like in particular with Boys for Pele. and I I knew deep down that I wanted to ask her if she would write like a blurb a quote for the book.
But I was, I was really scared too, just because, you know, it's that whole thing, like, and she's already given me so much. And like I already got to meet the thing that happened with the first book. And I didn't want her to think I was coming across as like greedy. It's like it it I just felt a little icky. But the spirit of garden variety demanded that I ask her. And I was like, I was like, you know, G V, I can't do this. She's my hero. Like, I I'm just too nervous.
And they said, that's exactly why you have to. You have
to ask her because of that.
Kk (1:39:29)
I love that.
Timothy (1:39:31)
And so I did. And she said yes. And
Joey (1:39:34)
yeah.
Timothy (1:39:35)
she wrote a quote for the back cover. And I remember I sent John like a PDF of like the book with like it was in Latin, just like random. And I was like, this is exactly where I want to put it. Like I want Tori to have like this real estate. And
And I so I emailed John and he he was like, let me present this to Tori. And then and you know, it's like I just didn't want to, I didn't want to bug anybody. But
Kk (1:40:03)
yeah.
Joey (1:40:03)
Ha ha.
Timothy (1:40:05)
but, you know, I also know I've learned in my career like you have to ask for things. Like no one's just gonna do something for you. So
Joey (1:40:11)
you don't get it if you don't ask for it.
Timothy (1:40:14)
so I presented it. I sent like a PDF of the book, and then
It was around January and I was starting to get nervous that it wasn't gonna happen. And then on the 30th anniversary of Boys for Pele, the blurb came in. And
Joey (1:40:35)
Wow.
Timothy (1:40:38)
my editor sent me
Matt (1:40:38)
Well.
Timothy (1:40:40)
the blurb. And I was it was just I y'all get it.
But it was just such a crazy moment. I I wrote this huge email to my editors like, you don't understand, like this happened on like this the day that Voice for Paley came out. Like it was just, it was wild. But I just really wanted her to be a part of this book. And I wanted her to know that she like has she is a part of it and she'll be a part of it forever. And on top of that, because I'm crazier than a bed bug.
I
Kk (1:41:17)
Ha ha.
Timothy (1:41:18)
I knew deep down I was like, I had to do something even more special. So I was looking at the Boys for Pele liner notes, and I saw that she mentioned she thanked like the community of Breaux Bridge. And I knew that she had shot the album artwork in Louisiana. But then I found out Breaux Bridge, so then I found on Reddit that they had an they had an exact place to go where she shot.
the piano on fire outside of the gas station. So I drove to Breaux
Kk (1:41:51)
Ha ha
Timothy (1:41:52)
Bridge
Joey (1:41:52)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:41:54)
and went and went to this location. And I drove around and I took pictures and I came back home and I looked through the pictures and I was like, you know, no. And I went back and I took more pictures and then I landed on
A really beautiful picture of some native wildflowers that kind of gave me the energy of Tori and Boys for Pele. And I decided to put it in the book as kind of a secret. I know I'm telling y'all in like the whole podcast, but I'm gonna tell her in person.
Joey (1:42:27)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:42:29)
But
Kk (1:42:29)
yeah, she's gonna love it.
Joey (1:42:31)
yeah.
Timothy (1:42:31)
the whole book was created in New Orleans, but I wanted there to be a photograph that just symbolically represented her.
And her strength and the strength that she's given me. So whenever she cooks from the book, she knows that she's a part of it. And
Joey (1:42:46)
that's so nice.
Matt (1:42:47)
I fucking
Kk (1:42:47)
Cry.
Matt (1:42:47)
love
that. That's so good.
Joey (1:42:48)
That's so
Kk (1:42:50)
That's so sweet.
Joey (1:42:52)
She's gonna love that.
Timothy (1:42:52)
So
And I wanna tell her, but I'm s I'm worried I'm gonna like mess it up. So I might just like write her a letter and put it in the book. Okay.
Kk (1:43:00)
I was gonna say write it. Like tell her if you
can, but also write it. Don't do that. Don't
Joey (1:43:03)
Or send the episode of this podcast with a timestamp when the time comes.
Matt (1:43:08)
No no.
Timothy (1:43:09)
Well and
and and I wanted I I didn't want to show y'all I think I've showed Kristen the picture, but I told
Kk (1:43:15)
I saw it.
Timothy (1:43:15)
her not to show anyone. But I want whoever gets the book, I want I want y'all to maybe th try to guess which picture it is. Because
Joey (1:43:24)
Mm.
Timothy (1:43:24)
the whole book and I took every single picture except for the childhood portrait which my dad took, but
Kk (1:43:29)
I love
Timothy (1:43:31)
but it was important for me. So the whole book was created in New Orleans except for this one picture which was taken in Breaux Bridge. so
yeah, so it's like a little Tori secret and I can't wait to tell her I'm yeah.
Kk (1:43:44)
She's gonna love that. She
Joey (1:43:43)
What an Easter egg, yeah. Chinx.
Kk (1:43:46)
might cry a little bit. She might cry a little bit.
Joey (1:43:48)
I think so.
Timothy (1:43:48)
Really?
Kk (1:43:49)
I don't know. I would. I almost cried. It's not even me.
Timothy (1:43:51)
I'd be like,
I'm like, I made Tori cry.
Matt (1:43:53)
Ha ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:43:54)
It's like, it's like I honestly be like, well, you deserve it, because you've made me cry like my whole life. Like, but in a beautiful
Kk (1:43:59)
I know I know.
Timothy (1:44:01)
way. But but yeah, so it those two things were cherries on top of the whole process. But I definitely while I was and I'll show you the the cover, this is like an advanced copy. There, the rest of the copies are
Are coming on a boat. They have to ship it on a boat because they're so heavy. But but
Joey (1:44:22)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:44:23)
I actually was in deciding the cover, it was gonna be either a s a light green, like a sea foam green, or this orange. And I had two prototypes on the counter. So every time I came downstairs in the morning and made coffee, I could look at them. And I was it was neck and neck on which one they would be. And I have I have so many pictures of Tori framed and hanging in the house, but there's I have this one shot of her from
I think it's the professional widow single where she has that bright orange red hair and she has
Kk (1:44:52)
yeah.
Joey (1:44:52)
Mm.
Timothy (1:44:52)
on that red lipstick and she's just like giving a little smirk. And I was like questioning, should it be the green or the orange? And I looked
Joey (1:44:59)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:45:00)
at that and I was like, What would Tori do? It has to be orange, you know?
Joey (1:45:04)
yeah.
Kk (1:45:04)
We know we'll be fade to
red, baby.
Timothy (1:45:08)
Do you
Kk (1:45:08)
I love that.
Timothy (1:45:09)
do you think she's wearing Shishedo Red in that picture?
Kk (1:45:14)
Maybe.
Timothy (1:45:15)
'Cause it's so funny, I didn't I didn't even realize she was saying Shiseido Red until I started watching the Kevyn Aucoin documentaries and then I was
Joey (1:45:22)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:45:23)
like, Shiseido and then it made sense but
Kk (1:45:24)
It's a brand.
It's a brand like Sh Shiseido has many reds. So yeah, maybe.
Matt (1:45:30)
that's that's so exciting. That's that's so exciting
Kk (1:45:32)
I know.
Matt (1:45:32)
that they made it happen and that she's a part of this book and we will make sure and share the link to order or pre order the book with our audience so they can all get into this
Kk (1:45:44)
That's right.
Joey (1:45:44)
Yes, for sure.
Matt (1:45:45)
mix as well.
Timothy (1:45:45)
Amazing.
Matt (1:45:47)
I mean, I you're I I love Mississippi Vegan too. I mean, it's such a such a iconic classic cookbook.
Kk (1:45:53)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (1:45:55)
so I'm just I'm excited for your success. I'm excited that you're a Tori fan and I'm excited you're a friend now. This is great.
Kk (1:46:00)
Snay
Timothy (1:46:01)
Yes.
Joey (1:46:01)
yeah.
Cosigned.
Timothy (1:46:03)
Yes.
Thank you so much. And I I have to I have to thank y'all because, you know, I think the in the first two years creating this book, I was in such a happy place. Like I had my and my first installment hit. So my money was good. The garden
Joey (1:46:20)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:46:20)
was like looking incredible. And it was like a
Kk (1:46:23)
yeah.
Timothy (1:46:23)
fairy tale. Every day I was waking up, like I get to make recipes from the garden and take pictures and like
And it was so magical. But then 2025 came in. You know, the money had had dried up from the installment, and the design wasn't working out with the initial designer. And it just kind of felt like everything was crumbling. And my mental health
Joey (1:46:46)
Mm.
Timothy (1:46:47)
was to be honest, wasn't great. And then I found Jel's podcast and
Kk (1:46:51)
Mm.
Timothy (1:46:52)
it was such a bright light because and I think I found the podcast because I watched so many.
YouTube videos of live Tori performances. It's like, we think you'll like this. But then I
Joey (1:47:00)
Ha ha ha
Timothy (1:47:03)
then I find y'all, and then, you know, I develop a parasocial relationship with y'all. And and and I and you know, I found y'all on YouTube, but I started listening to the podcast on Spotify when I would go on walks. And so my walks would consist of listening to live Tori performances and then the podcast. But it
Joey (1:47:20)
Ha ha ha.
Kk (1:47:20)
That's amazing.
Timothy (1:47:22)
it gave me so much strength. And it and I just need y'all
Joey (1:47:24)
Mm.
Timothy (1:47:25)
to know that it's it's so special what you're doing and
It's it just speaks to the expansiveness of Tori's creative world that we could just sit here and talk about her hours on end and it and it and it's so fascinating. And y'all have really cultivated a special place. And I feel like y'all are like the modern the dent dot com, like to me,
because you know, you touch upon the tour, you know, the news new material and the tours and
And it it's like a little hub. It's a hub. So I I've just really enjoyed it.
Kk (1:48:00)
Good. That's so special.
Joey (1:48:02)
That's so nice of you to say to me. Thank you.
Timothy (1:48:05)
Of course.
Matt (1:48:04)
That's really a nice compliment.
Kk (1:48:05)
I'm so glad.
Matt (1:48:06)
Thank you.
Joey (1:48:06)
Really nice.
Kk (1:48:06)
yeah.
And I just love that this friendship came out of it. I'm so glad you like
Joey (1:48:10)
yeah.
Kk (1:48:10)
the show, but I'm so proud to have you on and I'm I'm just so happy that we're all friends now and I can't wait for us to all see Tori in New Orleans, which is one of the coolest cities
Joey (1:48:18)
So soon.
Kk (1:48:19)
in the country. And it's so soon.
Matt (1:48:21)
And it should be said too, I mean, we've talked a little bit a little bit about the connectiveness of Tori and how she connects people. And certainly
Timothy (1:48:30)
Mm.
Matt (1:48:31)
that's what it's like for our little community of people who love
Joey (1:48:33)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (1:48:34)
Tori Amos. Like she's been a great connector of of people. Like the introducing
Kk (1:48:39)
Yes.
Matt (1:48:39)
people to to other people of like mind. and I think that's pretty flabbergasting, you know, given how different we all are, given how
Everyone's flung to
Timothy (1:48:50)
Mm.
Matt (1:48:51)
different corners of the world. Like we have this thing that's very specific at the center of all of our friendships that
Joey (1:48:57)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (1:48:58)
sort of connects us and unifies us. I think that's very that's that in itself is super inspiring to me.
Kk (1:49:04)
yeah.
Matt (1:49:05)
yeah.
Timothy (1:49:05)
Absolutely.
And it it goes back to that that meet and greet that I went to and I saw the the friendship the friendships and the bond and I feel like I'm able to do that now and I'm doing it with y'all and and going to going to see her in New Orleans with y'all. It's just I I've told Kristen this before, but when I when I started seeing her and I was following her and going to the shows, I f it was the first time in my life where I felt like I was living
I really felt like I was like alive. And I
Kk (1:49:37)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:49:38)
still, I still feel that. I feel that when just thinking about going to see her in New Orleans and when I saw her
Kk (1:49:43)
I know.
Timothy (1:49:43)
last time, I I feel like I'm living. And we have to be collectively so thankful that we have this passion inside of us because a lot of people don't. They never find something that means something like this to them.
Joey (1:49:57)
Right.
Timothy (1:49:58)
And I've talked to people, they're like, I don't really like music. And I'm like,
Matt (1:50:01)
yeah, that's crazy.
Joey (1:50:02)
yeah.
Kk (1:50:03)
I know.
Timothy (1:50:04)
But people have told me that. And then
Matt (1:50:05)
yeah.
Timothy (1:50:06)
I think I I had someone who, you know, maybe teased me a little bit about like my love for Tori. And I was like, no. Don't.
Kk (1:50:16)
Mm mm.
Joey (1:50:16)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:50:17)
I was like, if you had something that meant something
Joey (1:50:20)
Right.
Timothy (1:50:21)
to you as much as as Tori did, you wouldn't make a joke about it. But you don't have something. So you need to shut your
Joey (1:50:26)
Right.
Timothy (1:50:27)
mouth. Don't
Matt (1:50:28)
Ow.
Timothy (1:50:28)
don't even yeah, no, don't you don't go there.
You don't go there with Tori and me. Like it's she's she's, you know, she's like more than family. She's like she's like a she's like a goddess fairy mother.
Joey (1:50:41)
Mm-hmm.
Timothy (1:50:44)
You know? I mean she really is.
Kk (1:50:43)
Mm-hmm. yeah.
Matt (1:50:44)
I I'm glad you told
I'm glad you told that person to shush themselves down now. Sorry,
Joey (1:50:49)
Yes.
Kk (1:50:49)
Hell yeah.
Matt (1:50:51)
I had to. I had to.
Timothy (1:50:51)
he he learned. He learned he learned quick. yeah. He
Joey (1:50:53)
You learned, you learned.
Timothy (1:50:55)
learned he got the he got a yeah, I I call it I c I tell people I put him on ice. He went into the deep freezer for a couple of days, so
Kk (1:51:03)
shit.
Matt (1:51:04)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:51:05)
But I don't think he understood.
Joey (1:51:06)
So good.
Timothy (1:51:07)
I don't think he understood how much Tori meant to me. And
Kk (1:51:09)
They don't usually they don't get it.
Timothy (1:51:13)
yeah, so they don't get it, but he does now.
Kk (1:51:15)
Mm.
Joey (1:51:15)
It's true.
Now he knows. I think that's a fun note to maybe
Matt (1:51:20)
Well, yeah.
Joey (1:51:22)
end this episode on. This has been so
Kk (1:51:23)
Mm-hmm.
Joey (1:51:24)
great. Timmy, thank you, thank you, thank you for your work. Thank you for your friendship. Thank you for coming on. and your yeah, thank you. And your
Matt (1:51:30)
yeah, thank you. Thank you for being complimentary of our work. Thank you for listening. It's nice.
Joey (1:51:36)
your approach to your playlist was is really just so fascinating and thank you for putting all that work and time into it.
Timothy (1:51:43)
my God, of course. I I wanted to make y'all proud and I
Joey (1:51:47)
We did.
Timothy (1:51:47)
wanted and I wanted to make your your listeners yeah, I wanted to share something with them that I I think that hop hopefully there's something in there that they haven't heard and
Joey (1:51:58)
Mm.
Timothy (1:51:59)
it'll strike a chord with them and change your life like the like it has mine, because all they really have. and so and I thank you so much for having me. This is it's been such a a
a full circle moment 'cause I truly started listening to this as a fan and then, you know, became friends and now it's and now I'm here and we're doing this. And I just think this all going to the show in New Orleans is gonna be such a sweet cherry on top of everything. I'm just so thrilled.
Joey (1:52:26)
Agreed. Agreed.
Kk (1:52:27)
Okay.
Joey (1:52:29)
All right. Thank you all. This is great.
Matt (1:52:31)
yeah.
Make sure you like, subscribe, interact,
Kk (1:52:34)
Yes.
Matt (1:52:36)
all of that, share,
Joey (1:52:36)
yeah.
Matt (1:52:37)
repost, whatever. Whatever the kids are doing. yeah.
Kk (1:52:37)
Five stars. You can find right.
You can find Timothy at Mississippi Vegan on Instagram. Connect, like.
Joey (1:52:43)
Hmm. Excellent.
Matt (1:52:44)
Yes. Follow for
Timothy (1:52:44)
yeah. Mississippi Vegan
mm hmm.
Matt (1:52:47)
follow for
pe follow for massive peach envy.
Kk (1:52:51)
That's right.
Joey (1:52:52)
Episode title.
Timothy (1:52:51)
yeah, f follow for new recipe inspiration, follow
for more obscuratory performances in my stories.
Joey (1:52:58)
Ha ha ha.
Timothy (1:53:00)
And
Kk (1:53:00)
Ha ha.
Matt (1:53:00)
Ooh.
Timothy (1:53:00)
then and then Mississippi Vegan dot com has has a whole bunch of free recipes and you can learn more about the book there
Joey (1:53:06)
That's awesome.
Timothy (1:53:07)
and and and yeah, it's it's an exciting time.
Kk (1:53:11)
Okay, we'll see you soon. Thank
Joey (1:53:13)
All right.
Kk (1:53:13)
you for coming. Bye.
Matt (1:53:13)
See you in a month. Yes. Good
Timothy (1:53:15)
Bye. yeah, see
Joey (1:53:15)
Bye. Bye everybody.
Matt (1:53:16)
night. yeah. Good night, y'all.
Timothy (1:53:16)
you in a month. Bye.
Joey (1:53:17)
Yes. my God.