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The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in two of the most punishing sports, Paul and Corey share their stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.
Corey Berry: Hey, how come there's two Cory Berrys? Hm?
Chris Wagner: That's funny.
Corey Berry: Oh, if I need more light somewhere.
Chris Wagner: Hi there, Corey.
Corey Berry: Hey, how you doing, Chris?
Chris Wagner: Doing great, thanks.
Corey Berry: How's this look?
Chris Wagner: Uh, it's a little dark in the right… in your left top corner.
Chris Wagner: Change my name here.
Corey Berry: Is that better?
Chris Wagner: It's a little better. Hey, Paul, how you doing?
paul frase: Hey.
Chris Wagner: Okay…
Corey Berry: Bring this light up closer, if I can.
Corey Berry: Is that better?
Chris Wagner: Yeah, that's better.
Corey Berry: Okay.
Chris Wagner: Do you have a… not that it matters today, but do you have, like, a floor lamp or something, or even a flashlight?
Chris Wagner: You can put on the floor on your… on your left.
Corey Berry: Over here.
Chris Wagner: Yeah. Even, like, a flashlight poke…
Corey Berry: Okay. Well, I've got a desk clamp right here.
Chris Wagner: Okay.
Chris Wagner: I was gonna say, even if you have, like, a flashlight on the floor pointing up.
Chris Wagner: That would kind of brighten up that…
Chris Wagner: That, uh, wall a little more?
Corey Berry: I just put the lamp right here and faced it right at my face.
Chris Wagner: Okay. Yep, I see, it looks good. That's a lot better.
Corey Berry: Why is there 3 Cory Berrys up?
Chris Wagner: That is strange, I don't know.
Chris Wagner: I'm good.
Chris Wagner: hide that person, and I'm gonna change… I don't know why my name is Corey Berry, because it's not, obviously.
Corey Berry: I put him in the waiting room.
Chris Wagner: Okay.
Chris Wagner: There you go.
paul frase: The other Corey Berry?
Corey Berry: Yeah.
Corey Berry: Someone put Cory Berry in the corner, put baby in the corner.
Corey Berry: So, Paul, do we want to start off with what we're doing?
Chris Wagner: Look at this baby in the corner.
Corey Berry: And then…
Corey Berry: I mean, our intro, and then say, hey, every two weeks, we're gonna do this short little…
Corey Berry: Episode that's gonna be roughly 45 minutes long, just so we have content out every…
Corey Berry: Week, and if you need to, please add…
Corey Berry: Any comments or suggestions that you would like us to talk about?
paul frase: Yeah, that's, that's, uh, yeah, we can absolutely do this, yeah. Well, um, do we want to, uh, do we want to do that separately, uh, as a, like, a PSA announcement, or are we… do you want to do it at the beginning of this.
paul frase: Um…
paul frase: Of this little…
Corey Berry: I'd say doing it at the beginning of this episode, and Chris, would you also say we need to also record a PSA for.
Corey Berry: In between?
Chris Wagner: Yeah, I would think so.
Chris Wagner: Yeah. A nice PSA, uh, we could throw in the middle of the week, or in the beginning, in the middle of the week, we do two.
Chris Wagner: Or I'll just take the same one and just repurpose it, yeah.
Chris Wagner: Just so you guys know, this is already being recorded as soon as Corey started.
Chris Wagner: I believe this is being recorded already.
Corey Berry: Okay.
paul frase: So you want to roll?
paul frase: I need to get, uh…
Corey Berry: You need to get what?
paul frase: I need to get my, um…
paul frase: Screen split.
paul frase: Okay.
Corey Berry: I don't know how to do all that, so I'm just… I'm gonna have to use my phone and…
Corey Berry: A double-blind randomization, what's that one on?
paul frase: That's why, that's what, uh, science wants to see for a clinical trial.
Corey Berry: Oh, a double-blind placebo?
paul frase: Yeah.
paul frase: Okay.
Corey Berry: I like how you did the definition of snake oil. I've used that my whole life, but did you have to look it up?
paul frase: I know what it is, but yeah, I wanted to… I want it to an official, you know.
paul frase: official wording, which Google…
paul frase: Certainly.
paul frase: It was very…
paul frase: amiable to produce.
Corey Berry: Okay, and hey, Chris, during all of this, uh, do you want to email Basecamp also and ask for the new intro, because they got rid of the smoke and added a lighting.
Chris Wagner: I'm sure. Yes, sir.
Corey Berry: deal.
Chris Wagner: I saw that.
Chris Wagner: I did see that, um…
Chris Wagner: Yeah, I can do that. It looked like a…
Chris Wagner: Yeah. Well, I like it. I like it a lot better than…
Corey Berry: What do you think of it?
Chris Wagner: Uh…
Chris Wagner: It looks better than the smoke.
Chris Wagner: what we're trying to go as a, uh… look, as a look going forward, I think. I think Paul made a written great.
Corey Berry: Okay.
Chris Wagner: Observation that looks more like a, um…
Chris Wagner: With the brain and everything else, looks like it might be, you know, the cannabis and…
Chris Wagner: That's not the group we're going for.
paul frase: Mm-hmm.
Corey Berry: Alrighty, Paul.
paul frase: Okay. Uh, do you… you want to do the full introduction and then say we're doing something a little bit different, or you want to just break into, hey.
paul frase: Paul and Corey, Paul Fraser and Corey Berry here from the HeadRush podcast. We're doing something a little different going forward.
Corey Berry: Why don't we start that in case Chris wants to use that as a PSA?
Corey Berry: And be able to break it up, record, clip, make this that, and then we go and do the episode.
Corey Berry: What do you think, Chris?
Chris Wagner: Yeah, and again, yeah, and again, this, what we're doing today doesn't have to be perfect whatsoever.
Chris Wagner: you know, I'm just gonna be… for me.
Chris Wagner: What I'd like to do is…
Chris Wagner: Users as a test run.
Chris Wagner: And then get something produced today.
Chris Wagner: I can edit up together, and then show you guys what it looks like, and then we go from there.
Chris Wagner: So, even… I'd like to do, uh…
Chris Wagner: We're gonna do an actual…
Chris Wagner: In that episode, quote unquote, then let's do that too, yeah.
Chris Wagner: I just wanted to throw… I just wanted to say that it's not like…
Chris Wagner: This is more of a test run than it is an actual episode, in my eyes.
Corey Berry: Right, but if we can make this into an episode that's cool, we can record it and use it and put it out there.
paul frase: Perfect.
Chris Wagner: Yeah. Yep.
paul frase: That's what, yeah, we'll record it the, um, first, saying we're doing something a little different.
paul frase: And, uh, lead off of that, and then we'll roll into, uh…
Corey Berry: Welcome!
paul frase: What we talking about. Yeah, welcome! All right.
Corey Berry: My name is Keen Rock, y'all!
paul frase: Oh…
paul frase: Alright, guys.
Corey Berry: Ready? Go! Superstar!
paul frase: 10… 9…
paul frase: All right, welcome to the… a new episode, a new format. Obviously, you see Corey Berry and myself, Paul Freys.
paul frase: on split screens on a Zoom call, and uh… we, uh, we are doing something a little different. We want to make sure we can bring content to you every single week.
paul frase: So, we're gonna be, uh, downloading, uh, Corey and I are gonna get together every couple weeks, and we're gonna be downloading, um, uh, conversations.
paul frase: we're gonna… today, we're gonna be talking about, uh… well, we're gonna be downloading conversations from the HeadRush podcast, great content, whether it's.
paul frase: About, uh, modalities, whether it's about, uh, science, the current science of.
paul frase: CTE or RHI or so on and so forth.
paul frase: Corey, how are you doing?
Corey Berry: I'm doing good, I'm sitting here, the weather's looking beautiful here in Texas, sun is shining, so I'm a happy man today.
Corey Berry: I even decided to put on my Mac Parkman.
Corey Berry: T-shirt for our send-off for this first episode.
paul frase: For… for… for…
Corey Berry: And my… don't knock it up.
Corey Berry: Stop CTE dot org.
paul frase: That's right, they're our friends, they're our sponsors, and they are our friends. StopCTE. They have one of the most comprehensive websites.
paul frase: for CTE awareness and repeated head impact awareness. Also, the Mack Parkman Foundation.
paul frase: Bruce Markman and his wife Perry have quite a website as well, and they have a.
paul frase: Some gadgets and they have a, an app, don't they, Cory?
Corey Berry: Yeah. And their app is called HeadSmart.
paul frase: HeadSmart. HeadSmart.
Corey Berry: Right. And that's the Mac Parkman app.
paul frase: Um…
Corey Berry: Patrick Reesha CTE Awareness does not have an app.
Corey Berry: You go to stopcte.org for them. Mac Parkman, I believe, is MPFA CT.
Corey Berry: At…
Corey Berry: or .org, or you can also go to your Apple store, Google Store, whatever, and download HeadSmart.
paul frase: It's great, it's a… that's… that's a lot of, uh, information on that app as well. They're…
paul frase: And they're running a gun and trying to change legislation, trying to get awareness for repeated head impacts and the dangers of.
paul frase: in our youth, and then repeated blast exposures, too. Obviously, Bruce Parkman being a Green Beret.
paul frase: And having a deep, deep roots in our veterans and our military forces.
Corey Berry: And young athlete.
paul frase: Uh, we… and… and young athletes, so…
Corey Berry: Hey, don't forget that this is a short little PSA, so let's not turn this into a full-on episode there, Paul. This is just to let the people know.
Corey Berry: We're gonna try something new, get more content out to ya. I hope you enjoy it.
Corey Berry: And please, during this, add a comment, questions that you want us to answer.
Corey Berry: Um, what you think of this, or what you think of that, so we can all get together.
Corey Berry: and answer these for you. Um, we decided to do this because I have seen.
Corey Berry: Bruce Parkman, come on, and we're gonna talk about the snake oils of repeated head impacts.
Corey Berry: In our first episode. But until furthermore, I say we move to our first episode and let the PSA end. What do you think, Paul?
paul frase: Sounds good. I was, uh, in my CTE mind, I was already there.
paul frase: All right, good deal. Well, you are… you are joining Paul Freys and Corey Berry at the HeadRush podcast, and so I played 11 years in the NFL.
paul frase: And Corey rode professional rodeo for 9 years. And we talk about everything related to brain trauma and brain health and wellness, and we talk about traumatic brain injury, CTE.
paul frase: Chronic traumatic encephalopathy. We talk about repeated head impacts.
paul frase: And repeated blast exposures for our veterans. Um, we talk about the, um, symptoms of a CTE or, or.
paul frase: Basically, we cover how traumatic brain injury can and will cause mental health issues, such as depression, addiction, lacks of executive function.
paul frase: Memory loss, even suicide ideation, as well as degenerative neurological issues.
paul frase: So, today, Corey.
paul frase: What are we gonna talk about?
Corey Berry: Snake oils of brain injury and snake oil, Paul downloaded this and sent it to me, the informal North American English.
Corey Berry: Of snake oil.
Corey Berry: A substance with no real medicinal value sold as a remedy for all diseases, a product of policy, etc, of little real worth or value.
Corey Berry: That is promoted as the solution to a problem.
paul frase: You know I'd like to be… go ahead.
Corey Berry: And so, we're gonna talk…
Corey Berry: We're gonna talk about some of the modalities that are being pushed out there.
Corey Berry: That allow these people to think that, oh, if my kid wears this.
Corey Berry: He's got less of a chance for a repeated head impact and concussion. If my son wears this.
Corey Berry: Or if we do this on the side, we can save our son's life.
Corey Berry: I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no safe age.
Corey Berry: And me and Paul are very big. I believe…
Corey Berry: You know, you're not gonna end high school football. There's just too much money, it's big business like the NFL. What do you think, Paul?
paul frase: I, I agree. It's, it's, uh… yeah, would we love to say… well, first of all, yes, Corey, there is no safe age. We want to make that crystal clear. There's no safe age to play.
Corey Berry: Chris, boys, did you hear us? We said there's no safe age.
paul frase: There's no safe age to play these concussive sports because.
paul frase: Whether you start at 7 years old and put a helmet on, or whether you start at 14 years old and put a helmet on, or whatever, whether you wait until 18 years old.
paul frase: Every repeated head in, um, uh, exposure, repeated blast exposure, repeated head impact.
paul frase: Can and will eventually, if they add it up enough, if you have thousands and thousands of hits over a.
paul frase: Sporting career, they will cause these symptoms that we talked about. So, there's no safe age. Um, I.
paul frase: originally, when we started this almost a year and a half ago, Corey, I was like.
paul frase: you know what, I played, I'd have a hard time keeping my son, you know, if my son had been.
paul frase: an athlete, I would have a hard time saying no to him. It's, you know, it's a society issue, you know, sports are great, and they do teach you wonderful things.
paul frase: Uh, but there's this little thing about repeated head impacts, and uh… but now that I'm learning the science of it, Corey, I really.
paul frase: Gosh, it's almost like it's to the age of, you know, when you're old enough to make decisions on your own, or.
paul frase: Uh, you know, legally, the age of 18, you know, you're, you're out of the care of your parents and you're.
paul frase: You can make your own decisions. Um, yes, you're right, Corey. It's highly unlikely that football is gonna leave high school sports, and there's always.
Corey Berry: Well, all contact sports, not just high school, but high school rodeo, hockey, wrestling.
Corey Berry: All of it.
paul frase: The cross, right? You're right, you're right. So… so…
paul frase: Is there ever a safe age? No, there's not. Are there… the research, and we'll talk about this a little bit.
paul frase: The research is showing that the damage comes from repeated head impacts.
paul frase: Period. And if you… if you're talking about CTE, you know, post-mortem.
paul frase: uh, you die, and then they… they discover CTE in your head.
paul frase: It's related to repeated head impacts.
paul frase: So, what do you do?
Corey Berry: So, let me get this straight, Paul.
Corey Berry: We both agree, wait until later years. If I had a son, I would not let them ride a bareback horse, a bull, saddle bronc.
Corey Berry: Rough stock until they were minimum 15.
Corey Berry: Just to let the body structure…
paul frase: Mm-hmm.
Corey Berry: The bone density, to get muscle built, to get.
Corey Berry: Smarter allowing the myelon sheath to start developing a little bit.
Corey Berry: And start, you know… but beforehand, we can do a lot of work on dummies, we can do a lot of work… groundwork, we can put them on…
Corey Berry: A bareback horse that's broken and get him going over jumps. There's a lot of little things.
Corey Berry: That we can do up until that point to get him ready.
Corey Berry: And I believe the same with football. You can put them in flag football, you can have them tackling dummy pads.
Corey Berry: And all of that, and I think you're, by doing that, what is, what do they say if you hold off till high school of putting your kid in a concussive sport.
Corey Berry: What did they say? 80%?
Corey Berry: of CTE would be gone.
paul frase: Well, no, 80% of the con… well, okay, so that 80%, um, is…
paul frase: Just say, it's just say you hit in high school sports, or concussive sports, you…
paul frase: You hit the head 5 days a week.
paul frase: Um, and, you know, that includes the games. So, if you… if you…
paul frase: Take the impacts and the hits to the head out.
paul frase: Of practice, you can reduce that, the number of hits by 80%.
paul frase: So if you only hit 1 day a week, you're literally getting rid of 80% of.
paul frase: the head impacts. Now, the NFL does it.
paul frase: Go figure, the NFL does it, but there's no rules in PB football and high school football. I think the high schools are just starting to get smarter and they're not hitting as much.
paul frase: But peewee football?
Corey Berry: Well, I know here in Stephenville, they still hit, but they all wear the Guardian caps. So, on to the snake oil!
Corey Berry: You know, and Stephenville is state champs.
paul frase: Yeah. So, really, really…
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: And we have a college that is very high ranked as a D1 football team here, too.
Corey Berry: And we got over 200 gold buckles in this city.
Corey Berry: So…
Corey Berry: You know, contact sports is part of Stephenville.
Corey Berry: Wrestling, everything. Rodeo, high school rodeo's huge, college rodeo's huge.
Corey Berry: Everything's… So…
Corey Berry: Let's get on to the snake oils and modalities, and what I don't…
Corey Berry: Think will help your kid and since I brought up that Stephenville uses Guardian caps.
Corey Berry: Let's start out with that. Now, you're a pro football player, you have more…
Corey Berry: Intellect than I do when it comes to helmets, the weight, what's new.
Corey Berry: how the helmets are developed, what are the helmets meant for?
Corey Berry: and then add in the Guardian cap on top. So, tell me your overall about the helmets first.
paul frase: Well, the helmets have changed, and I'm gonna actually show you.
paul frase: Two… two helmets. Don't… don't mind the, uh, don't mind the, um…
paul frase: The logos…
paul frase: But we're talking about helmets, and I know we're talking about helmets.
paul frase: Crashing into each other.
paul frase: A lot harder than that.
paul frase: So, and this… this helmet is so old, it's starting to fall apart.
paul frase: But…
Corey Berry: Well, that's because you're old, Paul.
paul frase: Yeah, exactly. So, so the helmets, the guardian cap is a… is a mechanism or a pad that it covers the whole helmet.
paul frase: and there's, like, little cushions in there. I don't know…
Corey Berry: But hold on a second, Paul, what is that helmet meant to do? Why are they developing them? How much weight is it?
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: And… is that helmet…
Corey Berry: Itself, built to reduce contact.
Corey Berry: Or repeating head impacts and stopping your brain from slamming the skull.
paul frase: Uh, if…
paul frase: No, it's… no, you're supposed to use it as a weapon.
paul frase: Oh, you're not supposed to use it as a weapon, but we used it as a weapon, and we had huge gouges in our helmets.
paul frase: No, the, they, the only reason…
paul frase: Helmets are made to.
paul frase: Stop the impact from crushing your skull.
paul frase: There's hard impacts in football, head-to-head impacts, and you will do damage, and these helmets are designed to.
paul frase: Protect you from breaking.
paul frase: Literally breaking your skull.
paul frase: So, that's what they're designed for.
paul frase: They're designed to protect the, your, your, your outer tissue.
paul frase: They are not. I guess what I'm… what are they not designed for?
paul frase: There's no helmet.
paul frase: that will stop your brain from moving inside your skull. Your brain is inside, you know, the skull and your brain, and if when you hit a wall fast.
paul frase: The brain keeps moving until it hits the inner edge of the skull.
paul frase: The brain keeps moving. The brain is like a soft butter, and it will keep moving until it hits and stops.
paul frase: No help.
Corey Berry: So my question is, is if you take a helmet.
Corey Berry: And headed to the air hole of another helmet.
Corey Berry: Which brain is gonna take the most impact?
Corey Berry: And…
Corey Berry: What's gonna cause the most damage?
paul frase: Well, both brains are…
Corey Berry: And that's helmet to helmet, head to ear hole.
paul frase: Head… helmet to helmet, both… both brains, both players are going to take the impact, and both, uh, brains are going to take the impact.
paul frase: Both brains are going to hit the side of the skull or they are going to shake in the cerebral fluid.
paul frase: Fluid, and they're gonna jostle back and forth.
paul frase: That's just like with rodeo.
paul frase: Rodeo, the, the buck…
paul frase: You said 12 times in 8 seconds, back and forth?
Corey Berry: On an average.
paul frase: And on average, and that's… that's up to, like, 40 Gs.
Corey Berry: Oh, more than that.
paul frase: 40 degrees of… 49, 50 Gs of force, boom, boom, boom.
paul frase: And you've got… so you've got up to 24…
paul frase: Swishes, or head impacts, repeated head impacts in one 8-second ride.
Corey Berry: And there's no such thing as a guardian cap on a cowboy hat.
paul frase: And you did.
paul frase: Right. Exactly.
Corey Berry: So, that's why I'm taking the rodeo side out, because we were, as bareback riders.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: Some of us would wear a vest with a thin piece of foam on back.
Corey Berry: In back of the vest, and that keeps us from our back slamming against.
Corey Berry: The plank strap, so we don't get… I used to have gouges in my back.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: This deep from the… just rubbing on that flank strap.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: And so I got that gel pad and put it in… they build the vest.
Corey Berry: But we don't wear helmets because that's extra weight onto your head, so when you're getting jerked.
Corey Berry: You don't want an extra 3 pounds, Jocelynia.
paul frase: Right, right.
Corey Berry: So, with the Guardian cap, it's gel-packed, little patches all over the helmet, it's a one-slip-on piece, correct?
paul frase: Yeah, it's a piece of headgear, yeah.
Corey Berry: But it has little squares.
Corey Berry: Got little square, so when it impacts, that gel is supposed to separate a little bit.
Corey Berry: And reduce the amount of force to hit.
Corey Berry: The head…
paul frase: And it, and it, and it does, they, it does reduce the collision force.
paul frase: by 10, they say, scientifically studied, they say in their testing, 10 to 20%. It reduces the collision.
paul frase: But the collision still happens, the the helm, the head still, the head.
paul frase: Both heads still stop immediately, and both brains inside the helmets that hit and stop immediately, both brains.
paul frase: Hit the, hit the, where, you know, the side of the head, the, whatever part of the skull that they're contacted in, it hits.
paul frase: And even if it doesn't hit all the way, it's jostled.
paul frase: And let's go back to the percentages.
paul frase: Um, so that… we talked about 80… if you reduce… if you only hit 1 day a week instead of 5 days a week, you reduce the number of hits.
paul frase: by 80%.
paul frase: They are from clinical studies, real science, peer-reviewed science.
paul frase: They, I believe the percentages every year you play contact.
paul frase: football. This is related to football, but you can relate it to other contact sports, I'm sure.
paul frase: Every year you play, you have another 29%.
paul frase: Uh, probability of getting CTE after your playing days.
paul frase: So, there… there's… so…
paul frase: There is absolute direct.
paul frase: Clinical information that says.
paul frase: The more you hit your head in these repeat, in these small repeated head impacts.
paul frase: The greater chance you will have to get CTE, period.
paul frase: So, let's go back to the 14 years old. Why wait until 14 years old? Why can't little Johnny put it on at 7?
paul frase: Every year they get hits, they increase their probabilities of.
paul frase: I have severe mental health issues, severe brain damage.
paul frase: CTE. And in CTE.
paul frase: people might not say, well, that's not severe brain damage. Well…
paul frase: Ask the caregivers. Ask the caregivers that have, uh, you know.
paul frase: been working with.
Corey Berry: Ask Galen! Ask my wife.
paul frase: Um…
paul frase: Yeah. Yeah.
Corey Berry: I'm sure they get frustrated with us sometimes. I know my wife does.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: You know, and I'm sure Galen gets frustrated with you when you can't remember, or…
Corey Berry: Something goes haywire, or you forget a date, or…
Corey Berry: Whatever, you know? And so, ask the people that's had repeated head impacts.
paul frase: Yeah. So…
Corey Berry: And their spouses.
Corey Berry: You know, Mack Parkman lost his son at 17.
Corey Berry: Through repeated head impacts, because he played a concussive sport 10 months out of the year.
paul frase: Hmm.
paul frase: Yes.
Corey Berry: And then you look at Patrick Carissia.
Corey Berry: Who died after playing college football. So, this is happening to people that's never been.
Corey Berry: Professional. A matter of fact, in an upcoming episode, we're gonna talk about someone that.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: Never made professional that has CTE.
Corey Berry: And was diagnosed CTE. But…
Corey Berry: So, it reduces impact.
paul frase: Yeah, so…
Corey Berry: Thanks. What's the Gs, average G's of a football player doing head-to-head?
paul frase: I don't know the average, but I think it got… it gets up into the 40s. I've heard, like, 48, 49 Gs, G-forces.
paul frase: And uh… and you…
Corey Berry: So, if it reduces it by 10%, what is that?
paul frase: No, take… take 4… yeah, take 4.9 away. Right? Right?
Corey Berry: 40… 39?
paul frase: Well, this… so… so, interestingly, I did a little research on the Guardian, uh, um…
paul frase: Guardian website.
paul frase: They, obviously, they tout very strongly that, you know, 10 to 20% reduction in the collision.
paul frase: Uh, at the collision point, but nowhere does it stay.
paul frase: It stops the brain from…
paul frase: Getting affected by slamming against the side of your skull. Nowhere in, nowhere in their website does it say it.
paul frase: It keeps the brain from getting jostled or moving around.
paul frase: All it does is say at the point of impact, it will lessen the blow 10 to 50 or 20%.
paul frase: So…
Corey Berry: So you play in NFL for 11 years, you've gone to the Super Bowl.
Corey Berry: You're one of the elites of football, you've made it to…
Corey Berry: The highest realm you can make it.
Corey Berry: If they had Guardian caps.
Corey Berry: When you played, would you wear it? And…
Corey Berry: Would you allow your son, if a high school had repeated head impact practice every day of the week.
Corey Berry: And game on Friday night.
Corey Berry: And they wore a guardian cap, would you allow your son to do that?
Corey Berry: the two questions. One, would you avoid the guardian cap and thought it was a protection mode for you? And two, would you allow your son to do what you know now about the guardian cap?
paul frase: Uh, now knowing what I know now through research and peer-reviewed research, real science, um…
paul frase: I would, uh… I would…
paul frase: I would be, you know, I had a friend whose father was an orthopedic surgeon.
paul frase: I had two friends whose fathers were orthopedic surgeons. One.
paul frase: His father allowed him to play football, and he ended up playing offensive line for.
paul frase: 9 or 10 years in the league.
paul frase: And he's, he's, he's, uh, 60, you know, he's in his early 60s and he's.
paul frase: He's dealing with repeated head impact repercussions.
paul frase: possible…
paul frase: let's face it, it's probable CTE for many of us who played 20 years of organized football.
paul frase: The odds are, uh, staggering that we're, we're going to be.
paul frase: we're gonna succumb to the repeated head impacts and the CTE. Um…
paul frase: But the other one, his father never let him…
paul frase: Uh, never let him play concussive sports. Never let him play football.
paul frase: I think he… I think he played soccer, but uh… he never played football. So, um…
paul frase: And he's… he's same age, he's doing much better than my…
paul frase: My other friend who is definitely dealing with repercussions of repeated head impact, so…
paul frase: Knowing what I know now, Corey, I would, I would, uh.
paul frase: I don't want to say forbid, but I would…
paul frase: Tell my son to find another sport that, uh, would…
paul frase: Uh, not involve hitting your head.
paul frase: and not involve… I would say, let's go to another concussive… I mean, let's go to another sport that is not a concussive sport.
paul frase: And I would… in that… in that…
paul frase: You know, in that same breath, I would say if you love football and you want to work on agility and things that, um.
paul frase: Would, uh, enable you to play.
paul frase: Um, when you are old enough to play, then…
paul frase: By all means, we'll, we'll practice.
paul frase: The agility drills will practice running and catching the ball and.
paul frase: And tackling it with dummies. I mean, I don't know, I don't know any other way to, because the bottom line is, if your, if your kids.
paul frase: Brain, if you know.
paul frase: When your kid is 30 years old and they're dealing with just horrible ADHD or ADD or.
paul frase: Um, and, and that, and those 2 things can be due to a lot of different.
paul frase: Um, you know, exposure to chemicals, exposure, you know, eating bad diets, uh, genetics, so on and so forth.
paul frase: But, but, uh, if it was caused by the repeated head impacts that I let my son play because I… and I already knew.
paul frase: That repeated head impacts could cause depression and anxiety and I mean.
paul frase: Uh, then I would really be culpable for my son's mental health.
paul frase: Um, or daughters of mental health, if they…
paul frase: Start suffering at 30 years old from mental health issues, so…
paul frase: Are we supposed to protect our kids?
paul frase: Or let them, I mean, life is dangerous.
paul frase: But…
paul frase: Hmm.
Corey Berry: There's other ways to be a kid without purposely hitting your head.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: Riding bikes, jumping over ramps, doing all the other go-karts going down.
Corey Berry: Thing. There's a million ways.
Corey Berry: to bang your head, and I think I tried all 999,000 of them.
Corey Berry: Without football.
Corey Berry: Now, doing all of that, and adding contact sports, or wrestling, or rodeo, or whatever you do into that.
Corey Berry: It triples everything.
Corey Berry: So, if you ask me if my… if I had a son.
Corey Berry: At 15 years old, I told him, you ain't getting on a bareback course till you're 15.
Corey Berry: But we're gonna build up your neck muscles, we're gonna build up your body. If you really want to do this, you're gonna work at it like my daughter with tennis.
Corey Berry: When we first started, I bought her a $50 rack at Big Five.
Corey Berry: Prove to me you want to play.
Corey Berry: Next thing you know, 2 years later, I'm spending thousands of dollars on private lessons, taking her to tournaments.
Corey Berry: And $275 rackets and $100 shoes and everything.
Corey Berry: But prove to me you want to do it. So by proving it to me, I want you building your muscles, exercise, learning agility, learning ability, doing everything it takes to ride. Then at 15.
Corey Berry: We're gonna do it, because maybe you could get a scholarship as a bareback rider.
Corey Berry: There's a lot of them out there.
Corey Berry: So, you get a scholarship.
Corey Berry: How many of the people…
Corey Berry: from Rodeo, also go pro. Quite a few.
Corey Berry: But by the time you're 20… 25, most of them are dying down.
Corey Berry: Or quit. So, you're only in it 10 years.
Corey Berry: But it only takes one animal to kill you.
Corey Berry: So it is a dangerous sport. Football. If my son came up and said I wanted to play football in high school, I'd say, okay, let's work on it until then, let's get you in flag football, teach you agility, ability.
Corey Berry: Get you going on that, but I would be at the practices.
Corey Berry: And I guarantee you, I'd be all over that coach and saying, my son is not getting hit.
Corey Berry: Monday through Thursday, and playing on Friday, and getting hit, too.
Corey Berry: My son…
Corey Berry: Tell you what, let's have him hit on Wednesday, or Tuesday, give him a couple days.
Corey Berry: and then hit again at the game on Friday.
paul frase: You know, I think, I think you're definitely touching on what we, uh, talked about with, um, uh, StopCC.org.
paul frase: Uh, the Patrick Isha Foundation, we actually did a little spot for them about.
paul frase: They were trying to get to coaches.
paul frase: You know, there, there are, there are things you can do, exactly what you said. Your agilities, work on your agilities, flag football, so on and so forth, and.
paul frase: If you're gonna let your kids play, make sure the coaches know.
paul frase: You don't need to hit 5 days a week.
paul frase: Maybe you need… exactly, maybe you need one inside run.
paul frase: Uh, hitting for 15 minutes on Tuesday.
paul frase: But that's all you, you know, to show the toughness that it takes to.
paul frase: You know, work on the running game, whatever, I don't know what you… but yes, you can change practices, you do not have to.
paul frase: You can lessen the repeated head impacts.
paul frase: And that's… that's what sports and high schools have to do.
paul frase: And peewee football…
Corey Berry: Goodbye.
paul frase: I'm goodbye because knowing, you mentioned myelin sheath, the myelin sheath in the brain.
paul frase: Um, doesn't… the prefrontal cortex is the last place in the brain that it develops, and it gives the brain somewhat of a little protection, or a little… it gives the axons of the… in the axons a little bit of protection.
paul frase: But they're not even, it's not even developed until 18, 20, 24 years old.
paul frase: So, just remember, parents, little Johnny or little Susie, you put a helmet on them at 7 years old and their brain is not even developed.
Corey Berry: Well, look at it, Paul. You, you are suspected CTE. You played 20 years of organized football.
Corey Berry: High school, college, and then professional 11 years.
Corey Berry: Think about if you would have started playing at 7 years old.
paul frase: Can't even imagine.
Corey Berry: You had had over 30 years.
Corey Berry: of head impacts.
paul frase: Can't imagine it and, and that's why, that's why kids that they're finding CTE in kids that never played professional sports.
Corey Berry: Because they got the 15 years in before they even get to the pros.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: And at 1,000 head impacts a year, on an average, is what…
Corey Berry: You say, right?
Corey Berry: Of repeated.
paul frase: Yeah, well, they've, they've, they've done studies up to 1,500, 1,000 to 1,500 hits a year. We've, we've had some doctors say, no, it's much less than that, well.
paul frase: They're still getting CTE, so…
paul frase: Is it less hits or more hits, whatever, but, uh, if we just use the 1,000, then I have.
paul frase: 18 to 20,000 hits repeated head impacts.
paul frase: You know, over 20 years of organized football.
Corey Berry: So, just look, 7 to 17.
Corey Berry: 10 years.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: Out of 1,000 impacts.
Corey Berry: A year, that's 10,000 repeated head impacts.
Corey Berry: By the time you're 17.
paul frase: Right. Right.
Corey Berry: Now, let's cut it out and say, okay, freshman year, 14 year, say 14, that's what everyone's kind of going off of, because we don't want our sports to go away. We don't want it to die. We love our sports. I… hey, man, our world champions were at the White House yesterday in rodeo.
paul frase: Oh, yeah, I saw that.
Corey Berry: You know, so, I mean…
Corey Berry: I don't want our sport to die off and to go away.
Corey Berry: But, I want to save our youth. So now, let's say, 14 years old.
Corey Berry: Okay, 4 years, 18 years old, you graduate high school.
Corey Berry: From there…
Corey Berry: You're looking… I mean, from high school and the professionals for…
Corey Berry: Uh, new.
Corey Berry: In football, how many from high school make it to college?
paul frase: Well, yeah, the numbers kind of go… they're… the high school level is about 1.2 million, and then it goes down to about 100,000.
Corey Berry: Percentage.
paul frase: Uh, in college and then it literally goes to, uh, uh, 200.
paul frase: 24 guys are drafted every year and probably another 50 to 80 guys.
paul frase: Get a chance, but, you know, of those 224 that are drafted every year.
paul frase: Um, you know, probably two-thirds of them make the NFL.
Corey Berry: So, you look at it, 1 million…
paul frase: Yep.
Corey Berry: Get 4 years of impact.
paul frase: Right.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: Say, you lower, and then you go to $100,000, make it to college, so they got 8 years.
paul frase: And, well, let's, let's…
Corey Berry: Of repeated head impact.
Corey Berry: And out of them, 240, plus the walk-ons and practice quad or whatever.
Corey Berry: So, say 300.
Corey Berry: go to the NFL.
Corey Berry: So, you're reducing your repeated head impacts from 7 to 17, which is 10 years.
Corey Berry: To 14 to maybe 21, if you're one of the elites.
Corey Berry: 22.
Corey Berry: To 8 years.
paul frase: And, really quick, and go back…
paul frase: You don't… if the coaches limit the hitting.
paul frase: By 60-80%.
Corey Berry: You eliminated CTE.
paul frase: By…
paul frase: Well, you've done a good job. You've got… you've… you've done…
paul frase: What would be logical and make sense?
paul frase: To protect your kids.
paul frase: Period. And then they… we'd find out in the next 18 to 20 years if.
paul frase: If… if that was enough.
Corey Berry: Right, and I mean, you look at it, life ain't fair, life ain't safe.
Corey Berry: I got in a car wreck after all my repeated head impacts and it broke the camel's back.
Corey Berry: and now I'm all…
Corey Berry: Flubbered up.
Corey Berry: you know…
Corey Berry: how many times did I crash a go-kart and hit my head? How many times did I jump my BMX and land on the ground wrong?
Corey Berry: How many times was I skateboarding as a kid? How many times did I get bucked off my backyard horse?
Corey Berry: As a kid.
Corey Berry: Things are gonna happen if you're a kid, things are gonna hap… how many times were you running and tripped over a rock?
Corey Berry: I mean, or getting thrown in by a snowball.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: You know, I mean, there's… things are gonna happen. Water skiing, jet skiing.
Corey Berry: Life happens.
paul frase: Hey, the first, the first time I remember a TBI for me.
paul frase: I was 9 or 10 years old, rolling down a snowbank and rolled right into a stack of concrete blocks that my dad had put.
paul frase: There before the snowfall for our garage.
Corey Berry: I think my first was at like 5 years old and I remember skiing and.
Corey Berry: Skiing on ice because I was working for Mammoth Mountain Ski Resorts, and slipped and fell and bounced my head off the ice.
paul frase: Yeah, Noel…
Corey Berry: And not be unconscious.
paul frase: Well, now, let's talk about that, because that's… that's not going to cause CTE, is it?
paul frase: You know, uh, how many, how many more of those hits do you need to take? In even less.
Corey Berry: Thousands!
paul frase: Thousands. Yeah, that's… that's what they're finding.
paul frase: That's what they're finding in the science.
Corey Berry: I'm pretty sure if you go back and look at the science, you could have 30 concussions in your life and not get CTE.
paul frase: Probably.
Corey Berry: As long as you let each concussion heal, get the inflammation under control, and get your body back to where it's at.
paul frase: Yeah.
paul frase: Yes, and there's also genetics involved, the buzzword of neuroplasticity and BDNF.
paul frase: You know, some people have stronger factor of the BDNF, the brain-derived neurotrophic factor.
paul frase: But which means you actually respond better.
paul frase: And your brain heals faster from a head trauma or concussion.
paul frase: So, there are genetics involved, there's absolutely the repetitive nature that's involved.
paul frase: But you don't you don't get.
paul frase: You don't get CTE from 1 or 2 or 5 concussions or maybe 10.
paul frase: You… that's not how you get CTE.
Corey Berry: Now, one can concussion can cause a TBI and screw you up for life depending on.
paul frase: So…
paul frase: Yes, absolutely.
Corey Berry: what happens? You get a brain bleed, you get everything from one concussion.
paul frase: Yes. Yes.
Corey Berry: You know, so, I mean, no matter what, we're not in a safe world.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: We don't live in bubbles, we don't…
paul frase: Right.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: Follow the sheep. We don't put a mattress around our head.
paul frase: Right.
Corey Berry: To save ourselves.
Corey Berry: And you think about it, that helmet with that guardian cap on a 7-year-old, let's go back to it.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: How much does a football helmet weigh?
paul frase: About 8 pounds, even in the young kids.
Corey Berry: So, 8 pounds plus a guardian cap is probably another pound.
paul frase: Yeah, and then the friction that… then the friction that the Guardian cap causes when you're sliding… it's not plastic in plastic now, it's a cloth-hitting cloth, so does it grab a little bit? I don't know.
Corey Berry: Or two.
Corey Berry: Right, so at 7 years old, putting 10 pounds on your head.
Corey Berry: And saying, Johnny.
Corey Berry: tackling. And we've all seen the videos that Chris Nowinski and everybody has put on.
Corey Berry: Showing that these coaches… man, these kids are just flat getting throttled.
paul frase: Well, and that's… that's a misconception that people…
paul frase: Force is not, you know, strong enough. You know, they're young kids, they're only, you know, 50 pounds, you know, no, the force.
paul frase: The force of the collision actually has been equated to that of the NFL.
paul frase: Uh, and the G-forces, and when you, you know, you already brought up the neck muscles.
paul frase: You got a little bobblehead with 8 pounds, and then… and then you boom, you hit, and then you flash it back, and your brain is…
paul frase: You're, you're done, you're toast.
paul frase: I mean, that, that, those collisions, they're more vicious. Some of the ones that I saw, Chris.
paul frase: You know, from, uh, you know, Chris Nowinski showing on his social media, oh my gosh, some of these kids are taking, taking the opponent's heads off.
Corey Berry: So, Guardian Cat Snake oil?
paul frase: But…
paul frase: Guardian Cap will…
paul frase: Uh, lesson…
paul frase: will lessen the blow by 10 to 20%, but it will not stop repeated head impacts. It will not stop your brain.
paul frase: From moving and slamming into the side of your head, snake oil.
paul frase: If… if you're saying Guardian Caps will solve the problem of CTE, nope.
paul frase: Not gonna do it.
paul frase: Snake oil.
Corey Berry: I call it snake oil. I think a parent goes out and spends $100, or however much them caps are.
Corey Berry: It's kind of like going out and buying dirt to rub on your boo-boo.
paul frase: It's, it's not, it's… hopefully parents are.
paul frase: It gives a false sense of security and safety and that is not.
paul frase: That is not good. That is not right. There's no safe age, people.
paul frase: There's no safe age.
Corey Berry: And that's it, you know, so…
Corey Berry: And our next episode, or whatever, we'll talk about the queue caller, which, again, is…
Corey Berry: My book, Snake Oil, but we'll have to do a deep dive into that and talk about that because we're almost up here. But the Q caller, pinched vagus nerve, keep blood in your head.
paul frase: Yeah.
Corey Berry: While you play… well, first of all, now you're keeping more blood in your head.
Corey Berry: So, you're not getting the oxygenation and getting the flow!
Corey Berry: But here, I'm gonna put on this little thing to push here, and it's gonna stop me from getting a concussion.
paul frase: There was…
paul frase: Well… well, the theory is…
Corey Berry: Bull Pucky.
paul frase: The theory is you have more fluid in your brain and, uh, to soften the blow.
paul frase: It doesn't…
Corey Berry: Well, I think after 500 impacts in a season, you got enough brain inflammation fluid that that should reduce head impacts too then, right?
paul frase: Right. Right.
Corey Berry: But then the tau protein attacks your brain.
paul frase: Uh, we need a whole other episode for this one. Alright.
Corey Berry: Yes, we do. So, thank you, and I hope you like this new shindig that we're gonna do, and it's gonna come to you every 2 weeks.
Corey Berry: And it…
Corey Berry: And I think this one will be downloaded…
Corey Berry: Chris, why don't you come on and tell us what date that one will be?
Chris Wagner: Hey, gang. Um, I'm gonna… we're gonna be able to have this done next week.
paul frase: So, Monday…
Corey Berry: So it'll be available not Monday, but the Monday after.
Chris Wagner: Uh, by the latest, so…
Chris Wagner: That is correct. Uh, this coming Monday is when we're going to have the drop, uh, with Tyler Ambrose, uh, and so that's… we're going to have a week of that, and then we'll, uh, have this week.
Chris Wagner: Um, or this episode will be downloaded, uh, or dropped for next week, coming up.
paul frase: Awesome.
Corey Berry: And ladies and gentlemen, Chris Wagner is as much of HeadRush podcast.
Corey Berry: As me and Paul. Chris Wagner is with Redbird Media.
Corey Berry: Go check him out on social media and do all of that. He is handling our.
Corey Berry: SEO for YouTube.
Corey Berry: Instagram, LinkedIn, Facebook. He's doing all of our social media now.
Corey Berry: And he's becoming a huge part. It's actually reduced my stress a little bit, because I'm not having to post every day, even though I post.
Corey Berry: Um, we're gonna get Paul more involved to where at least he's posting 2-3 times a week, or something, or liking, or sharing, or doing whatever.
Corey Berry: But, go to Redbird Media and check him out, folks, because… let me tell you, he's been doing a good job for us, and we're real happy, and now he's gonna be editing and producing.
Corey Berry: are every two weeks when we're not in studio. Paul?
paul frase: Definitely, Chris Wagner, thank you so much in the Redbird Media, and uh…
paul frase: Like, share, subscribe, all those wonderful things you do out there in social media land to help our algorithms and help us get this important information out there, because there's over 3.5 million.
paul frase: TBIs a year and we know.
paul frase: This information is not mainstream information, so please, please, please like and share, subscribe.
paul frase: And Corey, are we gonna end with a signature or you got the.
Corey Berry: I got one more thing. What else? HeadRush podcast is now the official podcast for…
paul frase: The HeadRush Foundation?
Corey Berry: HeadRush Foundation coming soon to you to help out with your brain injury TBI.
Corey Berry: And to help out with the modalities. We are in pending status, we're waiting to see where everything lands.
Corey Berry: But we are the official…
Corey Berry: Podcast for the HeadRush Foundation.
paul frase: Right, and we're, again, Corey had mentioned that we are in this to help.
paul frase: People that need help, and whether it's through modalities, or resources or whatever we can do.
paul frase: That's what the HeadRush Foundation will help with in… yes, we are in pending status of a 501c3.
paul frase: And, uh, hopefully, uh, we will have the official 501c3 instated within weeks.
paul frase: So, thank you, and uh… get, uh, get ready for more great content.
paul frase: And stay alert.
Corey Berry: Stay alive!
Chris Wagner: That's great, guys.
paul frase: Alright.
paul frase: All right.
Corey Berry: Now, let's see how good you are, Chris, and see your wisdom.
paul frase: Alright, I've gotta… I've gotta get on the road to get my hair cut, Corey.
Chris Wagner: Sounds good.
Corey Berry: Your 3 hair pieces?
paul frase: Yeah.
Chris Wagner: There you go. And it's got one last, uh, few days ago, so I'm right there with you.
paul frase: There you go.
Corey Berry: I gotta get mine cut, too. But my wife does mine, so I don't have to worry about going to a bar… I think Paul just goes to the barbershop, and it takes so long that he needed that 2-hour window. I bet you he goes to one of them barber shops where the old men sit around and gossip like old women.
Chris Wagner: Useful, yeah.
paul frase: No, not at all.
paul frase: Alright, guys, thanks.
Chris Wagner: Alright, Paul, take care.
paul frase: Good deal. Bye.
Corey Berry: Alright, have a good one. Bye.
Chris Wagner: Have a great weekend. See you guys.
Corey Berry: So, Chris, you're gonna try to get that intro for Ziggy to put into this one?
Chris Wagner: Yeah. And you…
Corey Berry: And for all the other ones that you're doing now?
Chris Wagner: Yep, so I'll get the intro that they were talking about with the new light spectrum thing, or whatever it is.
Chris Wagner: Uh, you guys approved yesterday, or 2 days ago.
Chris Wagner: And, uh, I'll have that put in place instead of the old smoke.
Corey Berry: Yeah, I got some more spam emails about SEO and YouTube, and…
Corey Berry: How we can help you boost your YouTube analytics and.
Corey Berry: Where YouTube shows you off more.
Corey Berry: And I was like, sorry, already got one.
Chris Wagner: I get those all the… I get probably 3 of those a day, at least.
Corey Berry: Yeah.
Chris Wagner: And I'm like, okay, sure. Um, with that being said, uh, I am looking at a different.
Chris Wagner: tool than we use for QSO.
Chris Wagner: You know, for the, uh, how it splits out all the different, um…
Chris Wagner: Uh, podcasts into… into shorts. I'm looking at something different just to see what… how it…
Chris Wagner: Brings it out, and how Facebook might look at it differently. Um…
Chris Wagner: Just to see what it's all about.
Chris Wagner: It doesn't hurt to see what other tools are out there.
Corey Berry: Right. Because I saw our numbers have dropped tremendously, like…
Chris Wagner: Yeah.
Corey Berry: 9,000 on average.
Chris Wagner: Yeah, and then we had a spike come up that just happened in the past couple days, but I'm like, okay, was that because…
Chris Wagner: because I was on there, um, looking at old videos and liking them and stuff.
Chris Wagner: you know, from back all the way through November. And so, yes, that was a couple hundred right there, but I'm like, well, does that… me doing that, did that…
Chris Wagner: Kick in the algorithm to start having other… to push it to more people.
Chris Wagner: I don't know. Um, but I wanted to hit that 500 goal that we had.
Corey Berry: Right, and I saw that, and it's kind of funny, because I get all the notifications. I'm like, well, Chris is on the war path right now.
Corey Berry: I try to keep up on it every day just to help us out, so I'm not doing 500 at once.
Chris Wagner: Yeah.
Chris Wagner: Right.
Chris Wagner: Yep. But I figured, because…
Corey Berry: And that's where Paul's favorite is, is he'll wait 2 weeks, and then all of a sudden he'll pop up and do…
Corey Berry: 30.
Chris Wagner: Well, it's like, you know, depending on what's needed at time, I'll look at it and say.
Corey Berry: You know, um…
Chris Wagner: Okay, so we're this many down, and we've got this many days left. I'll wait until, like, you know, Thursday or Friday, and then I'll start looking at things again.
Chris Wagner: For the, you know, the goals part, anyway.
Chris Wagner: Uh, to start seeing what needs to be done.
Corey Berry: Right, because that whole goal part is just to keep us, uh, where Facebook likes us.
Chris Wagner: I'm sure, Paul.
Chris Wagner: Yep, yep.
Chris Wagner: But obviously, I'm looking at the daily, like, okay, so what happened yesterday with the different views? Where are we with followership?
Chris Wagner: and then what do I need to tweak the different, uh, and not just the SDO part, but also with what I'm doing on video.
Chris Wagner: Itself, how were you…
Chris Wagner: with what I'm editing it, because I'm taking… still taking that video from QSO, and I'm…
Chris Wagner: Taking it, you know, editing it to try and find a good spot, um…
Chris Wagner: To where it's kind of… it hooks people to watch it more, uh, or for at least, you know, longer than.
Chris Wagner: between 5 and 10 seconds, so it adds into the views. Um…
Chris Wagner: And that's where the challenging piece is now, is like.
Chris Wagner: because sometimes QSA won't…
Chris Wagner: Start at a good spot. They'll just take a clip.
Chris Wagner: a good clip, but it has to start to get people to watch. And that's where I'm…
Chris Wagner: I'm trying to… I'm finagling, you know, every other day to make sure we're trying to keep on point.
Corey Berry: Right on. Well, and I think you're doing a great job, and like I said, it's reduced a lot of stress off of me of making sure that I'm getting the 3 downloads.
Corey Berry: On Instagram, YouTube, Facebook, and when we do our downloads, our personal little agenda…
Corey Berry: Deb Paul's on camera, or me on camera talking. I've always posted that on YouTube also. Do you do that?
Chris Wagner: Yeah, yep, I do.
Corey Berry: Okay.
Chris Wagner: Yep, as soon as I get those, I send…
Corey Berry: Because I've always posted it on Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook, and I don't know if you want to start up a TikTok account for us?
Chris Wagner: Yeah, I can do that. Um…
Chris Wagner: Absolutely, and I also, by the way, I'll… usually within getting your videos or your little extras, like teasers, I call them.
Chris Wagner: I… within 24 hours, they're out the door, and on all 4 platforms.
Chris Wagner: Right now. Uh, so I'm doing it on LinkedIn as well. Um, but yeah, I think TikTok…
Chris Wagner: Because TikTok just, well…
Chris Wagner: the United States just bought TikTok, so… within the past few months, so that's… that's a good thing, because I've always been really super, um…
Corey Berry: Right.
Chris Wagner: cautious about TikTok only because of China and everything else, and then, you know, them siphoning off personal information, and I… I hate that.
Corey Berry: That's why I never joined it.
Chris Wagner: But… Yep.
Corey Berry: Yeah, but now, with America owning, what is it, 80% or something like that?
Chris Wagner: Yep.
Chris Wagner: Yep.
Corey Berry: I feel a little bit better, and maybe it could get us a little more lead way.
Corey Berry: And maybe, is there a way you could put a click onto our YouTube link on them shorts?
Chris Wagner: Um, yeah, actually, yes.
Corey Berry: To where, when Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, or whatever, they get it, and there's a little click to where they can go to our YouTube page, and maybe our website?
Chris Wagner: Uh, no, shorts meet…
Chris Wagner: Yes, I can do that for… it would be in the, um…
Chris Wagner: If you actually…
Corey Berry: Description.
Chris Wagner: in the description itself, I might be able to put one in the actual video itself, too, to where they just tap the video, and it brings them over.
Chris Wagner: Uh, but definitely in the description.
Corey Berry: Okay, yeah, because if they can tap it over to YouTube, we may get more…
Corey Berry: Headway with that, too, from all of it, but yeah, if you want to start a head rush.
Corey Berry: TikTok, you can do that, and then just, uh…
Corey Berry: Make sure you send me the login and password and everything.
Chris Wagner: Yep.
Chris Wagner: Absolutely.
Chris Wagner: God…
Corey Berry: But other than that, I'll let you have your Saturday. I know my wife's waiting for me so we can have our Saturday.
Corey Berry: Um, I think we're going to Granberry or something, I don't know what all we're doing, but I just thought…
Corey Berry: I told her, sorry, in the morning, I'm doing a Zoom.
Chris Wagner: There you go.
Corey Berry: Alrighty. Hey, Paul, can you still hear me?
Chris Wagner: Awesome. Alright, so later on…
Corey Berry: Poly, poly auction, please?
Chris Wagner: Probably left the house.
Chris Wagner: We've left the house already.
Corey Berry: He's out.
Corey Berry: Alrighty, well, you have a great weekend, and we'll talk to you later, Chris.
Chris Wagner: Sounds good, Corey. Thanks, man.
Corey Berry: Bye.
Chris Wagner: Yeah.