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Indigenous Wisdom is about opening yourself up and getting to know yourself better as a Human being on this Earth. In this podcast, Julia shares messages, channeled wisdom, and more to support your wisdom journey.
Julia Carmen 0:00
welcome back to the indigenous wisdom podcast. Jose Julia Carmen, check this out. Today's episode's a little different. This is a replay and a re share of a conversation I had with Kevin Chung, host of the standout creative podcast, and I want to begin by offering this is a sincere de Rivera's Muchas gracias, Kevin for allowing us to share this conversation with you here on the indigenous wisdom. Kevin's work is centered around supporting creative business owners, especially those who are carrying big ideas, trying to build something meaningful, and often doing it while juggling a lot. His podcast offers real, actionable insights on businesses, marketing and creativity,
Speaker 1 1:09
but What I appreciate most is that he's helping people thrive without losing their spark cool, right?
Julia Carmen 1:18
And that's where our work aligns. Because what I teach is not separate from the lived reality of building a life, including building a business. Over culture tells us we must hustle, perform, prove and produce, and that if we're struggling, mira, check this out. It's because we're not doing enough at you Wallace, but indigenous wisdoms offers another way, a way of listening, a way of grounding, a way of staying connected to what is true, even while you create, even while you lead, even while you build. So as you listen, I want to invite you to notice what lands in your cuerpo, what lands in your body. Notice it feels like remembrance. Yeah, because that's what real wisdom does it returns you to your soul self of being. Here's my conversation
Speaker 2 2:28
with Kevin. Welcome to another episode of the standout creatives. And today on Julia Carmen, Julia, I used to do introductions for people, but today I am allowing you to introduce yourself. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself and some of the work that you do?
Julia Carmen 2:45
Okay, well, thank you, Kevin, for having me on the show. I really appreciate it. It's been a while since I've I've been on a show. Anyway, so you're so Julia Carmen, so I couldn't have the vasculanderas, and if you want to just put it into English, it's seer of the seers? Yeah. So I come from a long line of curenderas from my maternal side, my mother, my grandmother and so on. And they had their own way of being. My mother was the curandera del cuerpo. She did a lot of massage. My grandmother, Alejandra was the herbs curandera de los Yeah, I'm the current, which means that when folks come to the School Without Walls, which happens to be my school, a school without walls, wherever I go, you know, so there's no walls, yeah, basically, they Come if they come for whatever, a retreat or individual, or the Mac class, which is called the Mac class for Master Alma class, not a Mac computer, and they come to, I have the I have The ability to see someone's soul self of being from the beginning of time to the end of time. Yeah. So, you know, as humans, we have a lot of data coming in, right? And our soul self has all the info. And how do you discern? So that's what I do. And the School Without Walls, basically the line underneath that is walking in both worlds at the same time without and staying sane. Yeah. So everyone all. How many folks do we have here on this planet? Eight, 9 billion or whatever, depending on where you walk it. And you said you're in Costa Rica or no. Puerto Rico. Where are you? Miho Costa. Costa Rica. Okay, in a lot of places like that, you know, walking both worlds at the same time, in general, is not a big deal. It's like, oh yeah, the tree, I'm connected to that tree, not a big deal, right? But in the over culture, here in the US, that's not the way it is. Is so But everybody's walking both worlds at the same time, the physical and the non physical. So they get to kind of talk story, do a little cheese man with each other, and find out you know how to be each other. Yeah? So that's kind of in a nutshell, and then I'll just hand it over to you.
Speaker 2 5:17
Miha, yeah, that's, that's beautiful. Oftentimes we're just so worried about the physical that we forget that the universe is infinite and expansive and it's ever changing. So I think it's great to not only take into account what we're experiencing in the moment, but everything that's happened in the past and everything that will happen in the future. But if we worry about that all the time, we'll, we'll never get anything done, right?
Unknown Speaker 5:47
No, not ever. Can
Speaker 2 5:50
you talk a little bit about your your family background, and how they all realized, if, if they When, when, if they did realize the gifts that they have, and how, how you navigate?
Julia Carmen 6:02
That's a pretty good question. I don't think anybody's ever asked me that question, and that's something, huh? I mean, I usually share that information, but folks don't say like, boom. Well, actually, I come from my my parents, I came from a family of 12, and my mother and my grandmother really didn't like overtly say who they be, because when the you know, when colonization came, because they're from Mexico, right, it was not okay to be a currander, or, if you want to say bruja, and it wasn't okay to walk both worlds at the same time overtly, right? So they went in hiding. And so my mother and my grandmother, especially, my mother, tried to, like, innocently, shut it down for myself because she was concerned I was pretty much the only one that said, Oh, I see things. I don't check this out, Kevin, I don't know what it feels like not to see things. What I mean, see things. Angels, guides, everything, talking to me, the trees, the bugs, you name it. Dogs, cats would just visit with me. And I kind of knew things before everybody else did. And my mom would just kind of go, oh, you can't do that. The devil's gonna get you, and I'm good, oh, God. Who's the devil? It's kind of freaked me out, actually, folks, to be honest, I used to have night cares because she had me so convinced that what I was seeing was demonic. Yeah, this is when I was little, and so I would just wake up screaming like, Oh my gosh. And it wasn't until later years where my angels and guys said, no, no, she's, she's just afraid for you because her and her mother and, you know, boom, you know how many hundreds of years they were told that it, you know you're gonna we're gonna kill you, basically, you know we're gonna burn you, or whatever they did there in Mexico. So it took me a long time to kind of go, oh, okay, I'm safe. Yeah. So they weren't supportive in a positive way, but they were supportive and minutes now that I'm at the other end of it, they were supportive in what to watch out for. Yeah, and so I kind of leaned into being a little fearful through the years as I was growing up, and the rest of my siblings didn't even touch it. They, they just looked at me. What I'm talking about was young, you know, teenager, little girl, teenager, after I got married and stuff, they would just kind of go, oh, Jules crazy. You know, she's just crazy that kind of because they didn't, you know, who would want to admit they're seeing things. I did have a time with one of my sisters the same time we were under five and we were screaming because of my thinking, her thinking, we saw the same thing. And then our parents came in, and my our father said, Hey, what's going on? And I said, there's this thing over there. It was an old woman, and she was still there behind my father and our father and I told my sister, tell him, she goes, No, I don't see anything like a what? So from that point on, our father said I was crazy. Then I asked my sister, why didn't you tell him that you saw what I saw? And she says, because he would call me crazy, just like he called you crazy. Do you see how that Yeah, so I don't. Yeah, they don't. They didn't. And then I married, had children, and all of them have abilities, but all of them pretty much said no to it, yeah, yeah. Except my daughter, four sons and a daughter I raised. They're all grown up now. Except my daughter, she has visions in her dreams, and then she'll come and share that. Piece with i and then I'll get for the info. But my grandchildren are loaded, which is really fun. Yeah, I get part of their. What I wasn't able to to have, I was, I have been able to be part of their, you know, I'm Gigi, you know, Gigi knows what to do. Gigi, you know, Gigi, I had this dream, or Gigi, I saw this, or I'm struggling with this. My whole place is medicine bag. They come over and I just pull things out of, I don't know. They'll go, I have this illness, or that illness, or I'm having a bad relationship, or something like, Okay, let me see what I have, and I'll pull it together and tell them what, you know, I give them suggestions, and they go, Oh, wow, it really worked. I said, Yeah, first it's gonna work. So that's in a nutshell. Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 2 10:52
It's just it reminds you of the like you said, you can go all the way back into the past from all your lives and just see and I think this was heavily ingrained in cultures before the major religions came into being, right? So once structured, big religions came in, I think many cultures lost their ability to speak with the past and recognize patterns without, you know, hearing stories. It's just through nature that you're feeling these things.
Julia Carmen 11:31
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 11:35
Do you remember the first time that you had one of these visions, or was it as early as being born? Or is it like somewhere when you were very young? Or how did that come about?
Julia Carmen 11:52
Gosh, Kevin, you're asking a lot of great questions. I'm now thinking, Do people, I mean, like when I'm on another podcast, or when I'm teaching, people do ask kind or when I'm teaching, actually, people ask me these questions. So this is cool. Actually, I know from my beginning of time till my end of time, I don't necessarily like pass lies. I just know that we existed. There's not ever a time that we have not existed in the non physical form. So I remember my birth. I remember moving into the human realm, not thinking anything was off. Let me just put it that way. Just seemed very natural. So when I was born, I I saw the peeps. I said, Oh, okay, I'm going to do this. And they were like, I use peeps as a generic thing, because as soon as I say angels, ancestors, my dog that's passed on. You know, those kind people will right away. The human brain will try to make sense out of it. So when I usually talk, I say my non physical peeps, which could be anyone, you know, most of the time it's just folks, because I see people like, I see you, the non physical people, I just see them like, I see you. I don't there is no difference visually in the human realm, but there is a sound, a frequency of being. So I can tell when it's a non physical person by the sound they make, yeah, and the vibration. So when I was born, I remember, I remember being in the womb. I remember being born. I remember everything. So it's, it's quite a so that question is, like, I do have a son, my fourth son, Luca, who is very like he saw, but I thought he was like, I and when he was about, I'd say, pre teen, that's when he started seeing things, and it freaked him out. And this is where you're too close to something, and for years, he had mental health issues, and I was freaking out. I thought, What did I do to my kid. He has these abilities, and he's like, totally down, right? So I took him to everybody that I could think of in in the healing modalities, you know, like Western medicine, and folks that I my other colleagues and stuff and and then one day, he and I were just sitting talking story. We were just like, and I said, Babe, he asked me, When was the first time you saw you know, your angel or your guide or people? I said, what? I mean? I swear, Kevin, I just looked at him like, what? And he goes, Yeah. And I go. And then I shared exactly what I just shared with you. Yeah, and I go, Oh my gosh, babe, when did you I said, I've been trying to tell you this mom that I I saw it at this age, and it freaked me out, but you wouldn't cure me, and that's something. And I lost it. I started. Crying. I thought, I'm so sorry. I said, I can't even believe what it would that would be like to all of a sudden feel this normal human thing, and then start seeing things out of the blue. So it was like a door open for him at a certain age, and he had a and still does have a lot of mental health issues because of it. So it doesn't always go here on his mother, I took him to all the healers that I knew, and again, took him to the his pediatrician, because he was under 18, yeah, and his pediatrician said he does not have any he actually had to come to a psychiatrist, and they all said he didn't have any kind of, you know, I figured if he has to go on meds, I wasn't against it. I just wanted help for my son. And they all pretty much said he passed, he's fine. And I was like, okay, yeah, but he still has issues, yeah, because it's difficult walking those both worlds at the same time. Yeah, yeah. I think I was
Speaker 2 16:12
just gonna say that it's interesting, because you don't know the lived experience of anybody else, right? So even though you had this gift that's been given to you since you were born, that doesn't mean that you necessarily can help people discover it within their own journeys, right? Because you don't know what he's actually experiencing, because you're not in his head, you can only tell him through your own experience and help them through your own and if, if it's something completely different from yours, like yours was birth. His was when he was very young. You can't really make that distinction, because it doesn't sound like the same thing that
Julia Carmen 16:56
you have. Yeah. Well, I thought, No, when clients or students come to i I definitely don't assume that I never really did, but because he was my son and my mother, I was like my mother, I was like my grandmother, because they saw from birth, right or prior to birth, however, your human belief system is, I just assume he did too, and that was an assumption that I, I don't take. I nobody that stands in front of me. I don't, I don't like assume anything anymore. Yeah, neither did I, prior to his experience, I just thought he was like me, that's all you know. And so then, yeah, that, yeah, it was like, that took me a long time. It was very humbling. Yeah, not that I thought I was all that. I just thought, you know, because when it's our own, our own. Do you have children?
Unknown Speaker 18:00
Kevin, no, I do not okay.
Julia Carmen 18:04
I mean, you have a that was a personal question, when you when, when it's when you have a lot of skin in the game. I'll call it the octopi in the face. You know, it's kind of difficult to see that, which is Yeah, and then the more you try to pull now, I always wondered, What if anybody ever put an octopi on their face and try to pull it off? And it someone did, and I thought it would be no offense Kevin. I thought it would be a guy, because I raised four sons, and those are kind of the things they would do. No, it was a woman that did it was on YouTube, and she's pulling it and the damp, she's screaming, and somebody says, Just relax. And as soon as she relaxed, that sucker just went slithering down her Yeah. So I call it the octopi, yeah. So it's a soul listening. I wrote this thing about soul listening. It's on my website, and it's about listening to your soul self of being, not to ditch your brain, your brain's amazing, but to really be still, get quiet and then yeah, and I don't think we could do that, as long as we're in human form, yeah, we need to, like, not shush ourselves, but gently, okay, let's get quiet here. And that's when you can hear your soul self of being. It's talking to you. 24/7, but busy. We're busy people,
Speaker 2 19:39
yeah, I think just the modern world, especially, there's so many distractions that I think we we all want to feel like we're we're busy all the time, and therefore, we don't give ourselves the space to really figure things out the way that people did before the. Mentioned most modern media and stuff like that. So I think if we can learn from our past selves, right, your specialty, we can really tap into what it is that it's trying to tell us versus, you know, figuring out what it is I need to be doing at this exact second. How do I fill my time. How do I not be bored?
Speaker 1 20:25
Yeah, in my younger days, I was really super busy, so
Julia Carmen 20:33
I know for myself I wasn't bored because I was. I had my first human, little human at 17. Yeah, so And my last son at 33 so raising kids most of my life and not bored, but the thing that a lot of humans do is, oh, when the baby stops crying at night, or when the baby gets potty trained, or when the baby turns this, or when the, you know, that kind of stuff, I think is what I noticed that a lot of folks that come to the school without walls that will go well if I, once I get this job, Julia, or once, you know, I can take care of blah, blah, then and I go, No, no, stay present. That's what the getting quiet is, being still. Hear that still small voice with your soul self will give you the info that you need for the moment, because future's not here. It's, you know, it's in this moment, yeah, which is challenge for a lot of us humans, yeah,
Speaker 2 21:45
yeah, I think we're either always worried about the past or the future that we forget just figure out, what is it I can be doing right now to be the best version of me. And that doesn't mean you have to be productive or doing something. It's just what do I need at this very moment? And if we're always looking to the future, we're always moving the goal posts. So even when you hit the thing that you thought was going to be the thing that made you who you wanted it to be, you're just going to move it further ahead, right? So I think we can only really worry about any given moment when as we're experiencing
Julia Carmen 22:29
it, exactly one of the things that I share with a lot of the folks I work with is basically the knowing within and they go, what does that mean? I said, well, in all actuality, when folks come hang out with me, and whatever way they do, it's like, I'm not going to teach anybody anything like Kevin. If you came to me and said, Hey, I would like to have what I call al marine or whatever, or come to one of the retreats or something, I'm not going to say, Hey, Kevin. I'm gonna teach all this new stuff, and no run, if anybody tells you that run,
Speaker 1 23:05
what I do is, is which would end that a seer of a seer is
Julia Carmen 23:17
hanging with that person in a way that there's a remembrance. So it'd be like the container of unconditional love is what i Not, not me personally, but the container of unconditional love. That's what swallow is all about. That's what I call it swell. Let's go without walls and in that container, when you when you see and feel that for self, then you as I'm, you know, work with you folks. Yeah, work with you people. Okay, it's about your remembrance, not reminding you, but the remembrance within self. So it's the knowing within and then you go, Oh, that's what you're talking about. Julie, yes, it that's right on. So it's not me teaching you something new, new? Yeah, it's because no need, right? Most of the folks that come to me, I don't even know what they do as a profession or where they want to go. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is what they bring to the table. And I'll say, okay, you know what the work is what they bring to the table. The word is what we put together. You know, words, right? Put those together, and then that's where the magic is created. Their magic, not my magic. I have my own magic. Then we put it together, and then boom, there we go. Yeah. So that sometimes when people come, they cut they don't feel they have anything to hold on to. And I go, Well, you can just hold on to yourself, but know this, you're in this container of unconditional love, because that's our birthright. Nobody was born here on this planet, particularly to. To You know, no matter how we came in, no matter who our parents are, whatever has happened to us, there's something within us that has this. As you were talking about Kevin, which is a great example, is that that's why we do move the goalpost, because that's part of the existence of being. We want to come back home to self. We want to feel that. Yeah, and right on, the past friggin affects us in the human realm. Oh my gosh, yes. Definitely. Look what I do with my son. That's the past. I kind of figured I don't want to shut him down like my my mother and my grandmother, right? So I just encourage more of it, and it scared the shit out of them, yeah, you see, that's right. And then, yeah, does that make sense? Yeah? So yeah, totally Yeah. And I got blindsided from it, because I love my son deeply, yeah? And that, like my mom did, she loved me deeply, but made me think I was seeing demons instead of angels. Yeah, she wasn't trying to hurt me. It didn't feel that in the moment. Okay, let's put it that way. Did it?
Speaker 2 26:19
When did you tap into this? Because you were told from a very young age that the demons were after you. When did you let the idea go? I don't know if you ever did, but when did you let it stop you from tapped into well, I what you wanted.
Julia Carmen 26:40
You know that? That's a That's a great question. I never really believed that they were demons. But my this, we're talking about, you have two worlds, right, the physical realm and then the non physical realm. Well, my peeps would say, No, no, no, it's okay. We got you no matter what was happening. And I grew up in a very no bueno household. That's the I left when I was barely 16. Yeah, I said, I'm out. This is not even like, this is not safe. So I left. It wasn't just because of my mom. There's so my piece kind of like said, Okay, get they told me, get quiet and we're going to share with you what you need to do. Yeah. So I never really believed those things were demons. I was just trying to figure out now, how do I be okay and see what I see? Because I didn't have anybody in the physical realm guiding me. And I kind of so what I did was, at 21 I actually joined a organized religion, and I won't share what that was. Yeah, I was Catholic growing up. And then I I said, I need, I need a, what I call a container. I need a safe place, and for nothing on anybody you know, religions, religion or whatever. But I knew consciously, and my peeps picked the religion. They said, go over here. It's a great place to hide out. And I said, okay, cool. So I always looked at religion as a good container for like, hiding out. So I raised my kids in that and everything. And I even went to those that it, you know, it's a patriarchal thing, right? I even went to them because they heard there was this person and their congregation that could see. And they, they, I thought they were going to scold me, you know, like you shouldn't be doing that. And said they did the opposite. They said, You know, you have a beautiful gift. Just make sure you know, it's coming from, you know, good source. That's pretty much all they told me, you know. And, and they said, you know, respect, you know, respect that part of you. It's yeah. And then I actually did some readings for some of them, you know, like, yeah, yeah. And they, they appreciate it. They they didn't like, go like that. They just said, you're here. We're glad you're here. Just be careful. And that's pretty much all they said, Yeah. So then when I was like, about I hung out there for about 20 years, and then I one day I went, and I kind of went, Oh, I'm done. And I walked away from it all, and it was okay. I said, Okay, that was a nice container, but I was still doing my thing with other folks, doing readings and doing little things and stuff like that. I opened up a nonprofit for about 20 years, working with families and with my daughter and I did that because my peep said, do this. And I did. And then I was done with that and continued this work that I'm doing, yeah, but I had a moment there for about 10 years that I just didn't want to be part of. From 38 to 48 I really kind of didn't want to see things anymore. It because of my situation, the person I was married to, and things like that. I just said, you know, I need to, like, focus in on my family. Yeah, that's actually, actually before my son, my my last son was born. Well, yeah, somewhere in there. Yeah, he was like, three or four. But I said, I got to shut this down. I'm not, this is not good. And then I developed epileptic seizures for 10 years because I try to, you can't shut the stuff down, if that is what you need to be doing. You know? It was really not fun. So I try to, they were very polite. And my peeps, they go, Okay, let's see. She's really trying to quiet us down and shut us out. And yeah, because I wanted to focus in on my family, I thought by focusing on them as a as a human and I became, what are the back then they used to call it OCD, ADHD, whatever I had all these kids, you could walk into my house and it didn't look like I had children, because it was so perfect. If I turned this around and you saw my office right now to go, what? No, but uh, no, and my kids still have challenges. My daughter goes, you, yeah, I'm the way I am because you were so neurotic. And I said, I'm sorry, you know what else to say? Yeah, but I did try to shut it down. That doesn't work. Yeah, so that's what I mean. That's what the school about, will walls came to be was because of that, not that sort of seizures and epilepsy, but you can't shut it down. Or if, if that's your path. And I think you know this, Kevin, you've been on this planet long enough, if you try to do something that you're not called to do, or your mission, or whatever, whatever word you want to use, it'll show up in your body. Your body will get sick, or things just won't move in the way they need to move. And there's frustration and anger and all that stuff. And it's like, yeah. And then all of a sudden, you just surrender, I guess. And then you go, Oh, maybe this is where I'm supposed to be, yeah, yeah. So I don't know if all that makes sense to you or not, yeah, that's just, that's my, um, that's my human movement. I find being a human no bueno. I do not like it at all. It's it's not fun. I that other realm, that other non physical realm. Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, moving from this point of being into the non physical back again, not a problem, it. I'm not afraid of death at all, because I know what's there. I've helped a lot of folks, been honored, and helped a lot of folks move, do that transition. And my mother, my brother, it's beautiful. You know, there's so much more than the human realm. But I'm here, Kevin, so I need to learn how to be a human Yeah, periodically, I actually, should I call them. I actually will look for a human therapist. From the time I was 21 I knew from from what happened in my childhood that my human thinking wasn't healthy. So I asked my peeps, I said, What do I need to do? And they go, you need to get a human therapist to help you be balanced. Now, from 21 till I'm 72 now i periodically will look for a human therapist, and my peeps tell me who to pick, and every single time, how did you pick me? I said, Oh, you know, I tell them who I am, and then they go, that is very fascinating. And they're always the perfect fit, yeah, perfect like, yeah. So shout out to all the human therapists.
Speaker 2 34:18
How do you compare the idea of something like intuition versus listening to the peeps. Is it similar? Or do you think intuition is some form of this? Or is it something else?
Julia Carmen 34:30
Kevin, I love your questions. This is cool because I've always wanted somebody to ask me that question. Intuition is a human condition. It's human, it's it's a visceral, it is your body kind of senses that, and some people will say, Oh, you're really intuitive. I said, yeah, the human realm, that's once you don't have a body, that's no longer there because you don't have a body, doesn't fire off this five senses, right? Yeah, the soul self would be. And he's eternal. It's a whole nother frequency. Whole nother frequency. I'm not saying people that have intuition. That's not good. That is, like, the door that opens up everything you get it, what I call a hit, you go, Ah, yeah, yeah. Somebody's, oh, you're real intuitive, yeah, kind of like, helps you peek into this world that maybe you haven't peeked into you kind of know it's there, right? The non physical where all those folks are that are there. This is the cool part, Kevin, all your peeps, your angels, guides, your ancestors, all your little pets that you've had are going to have. They don't have any kind of physical body. All right, so 24/7, your ancestors are there for you, like they friggin got you back. Like they don't go away. They don't have to go, she, she, they don't have to eat, they don't have to sleep. They're gonna hang with you. I love that part. I love that part. And they love you unconditionally. All they want is the best for you. Yeah. So your intuition will say you'll feel something physical, and then you go, oh. And then when you hit that soul self stuff, that's something that's difficult to explain. That's why a lot of the folks will go, Well, how will I feel? I said, I don't know. I don't know. When you friggin open up that door to the self of you have no idea you're going to tell me. And they go, oh. And then they start sharing things with i and they go, is this it? And I go, that's it. Because I could hear their frequency and vibration. Yeah, I could hear how fine it's gotten. I'm sure you've heard people say, Oh, you want to go into a higher vibration of being or low vibration. I don't describe to that. I never have, because it doesn't work that way. I've been with folks that I've worked with in the past where I go, and it's a lot of folks that have been that have had a lot of trauma. Just put it that way, whether it's ancestral or whatever, and I don't think there's anything bad. I just go, wow, this is really heavy, and it's thick, and it's, I feel like I'm walking in quick sound when I work with them. So the density, it's really dense. Yeah. And I go, Okay, Let's lighten this up a little bit. Yeah. So the medium frequency of being is what I think a lot of us in healthy beings that we are. And then when folks open up the doors of self knowing within, then the frequency gets finer and finer and finer. I love that. That's to the folks I love to work with, because they're like, oh my gosh, Julie, I feel like I'm floating. I sit right on so let's, let's anchor you down, though, because we don't want you floating too much. Yeah. And then things friggin doors just start opening for whatever reason you know, whatever they need and want, it opens up. Yeah, it's not about the law of attraction. Because I never ascribed to that either. Because when I saw that coming out long time ago, I thought, no, that's that's not what you know? No, no, that's not it. It's about it's in here. It's in here. It's not saying I'm going to attract that. It's here, if, because we can attract anything to ourselves, anything with a single Yeah, but I think I want everything coming my way, yeah? So the Thank you, yeah, yeah, so yeah. Intuition is cool. I think it has its place. Yeah, like people they call, Oh, you're so empathic. I let that go. Now, that's the human condition also, too. It's your five senses, and it has a lot to do with not all of it, but it has a lot to do with your bringing and how you came in. Some people come in just sensitive. I did. I came in, of course, I came in sensitive. I could feel everything, yeah, I had, I had vertigo up until maybe some 73 I think in my 60s, vertigo all my life. Yeah, and I hired this. I moved to Montana for 2016 and hung out there for four or five years with the intention of, if I'm going to be here and finish off this lifetime here, I really need to embrace the human piece, and I'm tired of being dizzy. So I found this, this human therapist. Her name's Allison, and I shared with her what I needed and wanted. And then one day she was just sharing with me, because I would have a session with him. I go, you know, this stuff over here happened, this human thing is that normal she was, she would kind of, because it's like, 101, human, right? And she would go, yeah. And I go. Well, she was you really? I said, No, I don't. I mean, I, I, I have enough intellect in the human realm to understand things intellectually, but I've not embodied them. And she didn't believe me. She really didn't. She just thought, but you're so smart and this and that. I said, Yeah, smarter than my head, but, you know, like, human, you know, like, yeah, human stuff, you know, like, I always I thought was insensitive or something, and then I thought, Oh, my God. Because when you know the whole picture, like Kevin, like, I know the whole picture of things. Like, I'll give you an example, Miho, I would go to funerals when I was growing up, even as an adult, and I could see the person that, you know, if they choose, they'd be there, and I would like to talk story with them, or, you know, like, do some little cheese, meh. But not like, stand there. I would just kind of like, you know, and I'd be smiling and everybody's crying, and I'm like, no, and then I would talk to people, and I would blurt things out, you know, that's what I mean. You know, it's kind of like people need to grieve. Yeah, they need to, you know, they don't want. When my brother died 20 years ago, I was there, step by step in non physical realm, helping my sisters and because he we loved him. And when he died, I saw his big home coming, like, it was great. Oh, Kevin, it was amazing. Like we had one and all, my gosh, all the people and my sister hope, I said, Oh my gosh, look at this. And I start telling her everything, and she says, Jill. Jill stop. I can't go there with you. Our brother just died. I am sad. I need to cry. You could tell me this later, and I'm sitting there going, Why is everybody crying? That's what I'm talking about. So I needed to, you know, respect the human part of it. I think it's great to see, but I also so I've learned in 2019 I had a lot of my mother left, and lot of really close friends as we age, that's what happened. And it was like, That's right before the pandemic. I said, how rude, yeah. And I started understanding the human grieving, and I don't like that. It was very painful. And then my sister passed in a year, suddenly, and that fucking hurt, you know, Holy God, the hell is this, right? And my other siblings were, they were like, Oh, I envy you that you could talk to Rachel and this and that, and I could see where they were grieving. And if I tried to grieve, they, they didn't, you know, they, they kind of did what I used to do, because they thought, oh my gosh, you could see her, you could talk to her. I said, Yeah, I could see her, talk to her, not a big you know, but I wanted to grieve also. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2 43:10
Really balance the lives of, you know, the seer versus the human side of you? I mean, you just make the choice of what you want to do at any given moment, because that's what's best for you in that moment. You could have chosen to ignore the human side of yourself, right, and just been with her in the other side, but you chose to, you know, embrace the human side of yourself in order to do the grieving.
Julia Carmen 43:47
Well, Kevin, I have it said, Okay, I have a little story with that one, because it even surprised me. So my sister, Rachel, yeah, she passed last year, and my niece, her daughter, Alicia, died in 2020, not from covid. Was a sudden death. Also both of them. My sister died of a heart ache. She, she, that was her baby girl, right? So when Alicia came to me, her and I were like, she was fun. And, you know, like her, hey, you know, we were like, totally I cried, definitely, because it was sudden, it was very tragic. And I was like, Oh my gosh, but Alicia's like, she was a comedian. She is a comedian. What are you doing? Come on, no, I can't talk to anybody else. Nobody wants to talk to me. And I go, Okay, let me go. So my sister dies, and I, I'm, I'm overwhelmed with grief, right? So I get in my car, and I live by the ocean. So I got in my car and I said, I gotta get to the ocean. That's, that's one of my medicines, is the ocean. So I'm driving down the road, and all of a sudden, in the non physical realm, I have to, yeah, Alicia, and my. To reach her in the backseat, and I'm crying, and I'm going, and I could see them, and I go, get out of my car. And my sister goes, No, I want to talk to you, sis. I said, No, get out of my car. You need to get out of my car. And then they go, No, we need to talk to you. And I said, Get out of my fucking car. Now I can't, I can't talk to you guys. I can't deal with this. I'm heartbroken. And my sister Rachel goes to Alicia. Is she serious? And Alicia goes, she's pissed, Mom, let's go. We'll talk to her later. So at the time, I didn't, you know, right? So I get there, and I'm looking at the ocean, and I'm sitting there, and I'm crying my eyes, and all of a sudden I started laughing. I said, shit, Jules, you just kicked Rachel and Alicia out of your car.
Speaker 1 45:54
Everybody else would have killed to see them. And you're like, Get out of my fucking car. What is wrong with you.
Julia Carmen 46:01
And I couldn't stop crying, and then I could hear Alicia going, can we come back? I said, No, you guys need to stay away for a minute. I will talk story with you guys later. I can't do this right now, but did, and I felt in that moment that they gave me a gift. Yeah, meaning, yeah, I can see them. But also I need to grieve, because my body will hold it and I'll get sick, because that's guaranteed. If you hold grief, because that's my body, my body will do the human thing. It just will, yeah, period, yeah. So, because I've always had pain in my body. And then I used to think, Oh, well, it's just part of being it's an old thing the wounded healer, that's bullshit, you know? And I said, No, I don't have to be in pain because I see Yeah. So I said, No, I don't want to be in pain anymore. And actually, in my 60s, that's when everything stopped. One day, I woke up and I was no longer in physical pain because I was taking care of my body. It wasn't just eating it, you know, Oh, I'm fine. Well, I'm fine. Seizures, Oh, I'm fine. The neurologist says You're not fine. Something's wrong here. Yeah, yeah, makes sense. And Kevin in that. All my life, everything moved like, literally, the trees would move. You know how avatar movie, okay, what I see is beyond that. It's, it's so amazing and beautiful. And I saw that as you know, it's nice, it's pretty, but no, it's it's beyond that. Okay? So it could kind of take you off into another world, right? And everything was moving. And then one day I was on my walk, and everything stopped moving, and I sat down and cried. Sounds like I'm crying all the time, but for joy, I said, Oh my gosh, I can experience a tree like I could look at a tree and see a tree and not be in the tree, not be the tree. You know, everybody wants to be all one. You're reminding you. I came in that way. There was no separation from Me in the tree, the bug, the bird, you know, none of it. It was all one. So it was basically me, kind of not separating, but walking both worlds at the same time and seeing that they're both. You know, they have their own movement. I have plenty time not to be in a body. Plenty time we all will need to experience this human body and all of its what I say, juiciness of it, yeah.
Speaker 2 48:54
You know, that's so interesting because only I mean most everybody else in the world experiences life in a singular way, where we're just in the body itself, and there will be like, maybe glimmers or moments of not being in the body, but for you, it's kind of the opposite, because you're you can experience everything all at once. It's, yeah, I don't know if you've seen that movie, but everything, we're all at once, amazing.
Julia Carmen 49:26
Oh yes, yes, yes. Oh my gosh. Somebody told me to watch that, and I waited a while to watch it under me to cut you off, Kevin, and somebody goes, I didn't understand, you know, they're all go, I didn't understand it. So I watched it, and I go, Well, Evan, yeah, I understand it. Okay. I don't mean to the paperweight. You know, it was all about getting back into your body so that you could be present. I said, Look at the pain we put ourselves to be present. That is crazy. Somebody goes, you really understand? I said, Of course, I understood that movie. And then it all comes back to. Love, unconditional love of self, and acceptance of self, and then you see others, right? That's pretty much it. It was, I think it's a great movie, yeah.
Speaker 2 50:11
Speaking of that, how do you see the world as it currently is, with the I mean, this has been throughout human history, just because human Oh, yeah. But I think in this particular moment in time, everyone can see all the terrible things that happening. There's also beautiful things, obviously, but there's so many terrible things happening. How do you balance this, you know, having all of this happen all the time, right?
Julia Carmen 50:39
Yeah, wow, yeah, definitely, everything, everything all at once, yeah, yeah, yeah. Without getting into any kind of, you know, I call it the over culture, sir, like, where you're at, there's an over culture that dictates what is where you're at. So here in the US, it's pretty much like, you know, Washington, DC, they're the over culture saying this is the way it's supposed to be kind of deal. And every year, a lot, all my students will ask, well, they'll have a bunch of questions. I love questions, especially in the non the in the non physical, about non physical realm stuff, because I have access to everything. Kevin, like any question you could ask me, I know where to go get it. I don't have the answer right off the but I can go, oh yeah, I'm gonna go over there and over there, and then I get the info. I go, Oh, I didn't know about that. Yeah. So they'll always ask me, okay, especially if there's an election, I will, I will never tell people who's going to win ever, even though I know, because that's not my thing. So how is this going to be and not going to be? And I and I went, oh shit. Like, what? I said, Well, it's going to be really crazy for a couple years. And they said, Well, does it matter who gets elected? Who's going to get I said, doesn't matter. It's going to get F and crazy for a couple years. This is before we knew what the what? Yeah, who was going to get elected? And I went, Oh, they go. They go. Worse than the pandemic. I said, energetically, there's Julia. You don't look good. And I said, No. And so every day when things get weird, or more weird or whatever, I have to get quiet. Go outside. I have a dog named Nava, and I sit there with Nava and I go, man, dude, this is, did I just hallucinate all that that my peep said it's all going to be okay after a couple years, and then it's not that it's going to be great. It's just going to have two really crazy years. And I think we are, and I go and I get I cry and I get upset, and I like, Yo soy Mexicana, my brothers on meet our work with Cesar Chavez. Okay, good buddies. Yeah, we were part of the 60s with the my, you know, all of that immigration and all of that, it's splattered all over the news about what's going on. So I'm like, yeah, and my pizza just, just hang tight. Just keep doing your thing and know that it's it's not that it's going to be over, but just stay present and keep doing your work. Do your work and you be and then you'll know what to do. And I go, Okay, so I'm not like, yeah. So I said, Yeah. I sit with family members that have the same kind of concerns, and we support each other and maybe cry, but support each other more. Does that make sense? Yeah, even though I know what I know and I could see the future, I really can. I could see everything that's going to happen, even with all that information, I'm a human, which I'm actually kind of proud to say now, just when I get the hang of this, they'll say, it's time to come home or time to move on. I'll go, oh, farts in a bucket, just when I was having fun,
Speaker 2 54:20
you'll still be here, just in a different way. Oh yeah.
Julia Carmen 54:24
Oh no. You know what? I'm not kidding anybody that I always tell people this, if you meet me now, I doubt that my personnel is gonna be any different on that other room at all. So one day, Kevin, you'll be somewhere, 20 years from now, or whatever, and you'll hear my voice, and you go, Oh, Julia, Hey, how's it going? I said, How you doing, Kevin, what's going on with you? Oh, man, let's see what you did. Kind of how it works. Kind of fun, though.
Speaker 2 54:49
Yeah, I was just saying thinking when you were saying, how do we deal with this current moment in time? Is to focus on the things that we can focus on and help the people. People that we can help, because there's no work point in worrying about the stuff that we can't control. People are going to do horrible things no matter what anybody else says. I mean, there's a lot we can do, but as individuals, we can only do so much. We can't change the system in one fell swoop like we're got or something. We can only make the impact with the people that we know and meet in the future and do the best that we can with the current circumstances. I think,
Julia Carmen 55:32
yeah, exactly. I definitely not AM. Rose colored glasses. Never have had ever, yeah, I've just seen the big picture, and it always looked not as Oh, okay. And now that I'm zoomed in, I go, Oh, okay. Like, Oh, I see why everybody's upset, you know, kind of deal yeah and not negate that, which is Yeah, but just kind of Yeah. You know, Kevin, I have a group of men that I work with in the non physical realm. My last human teacher was Hale Makua, Hawaiian, because I lived in Hawaii for a minute. And then a bunch of other guys. A lot of my guides are guides are men, men of color, usually. And so I still study with Holly Makua and a bunch of her men, and a bunch of them guys that have passed on. And I was in Montana, and it was, I think, during the pandemic, yeah, was during the pandemic, and I was feeling lonely, because that's where I isolated. I was by myself, first time in my whole life, by myself for like, 10 months. Yeah, that's kind of so after we were done with the teachings and talking story, these are non physical folks, yeah. And I looked at him and I said, man, dude, can I go with you? And I, he speaks pigeon kind of deal, yeah. And he goes, Well, oh, no, can I come with me? And I go, Cool, I'm done. I'm this pandemic thing and all this stuff, shit. I'm out of here. My niece died. And you know, like, fuck, you know. And he goes, No, no, no, you stay here plenty time. You got plenty time. You still got more to do here. No worries, you'll be with us sooner than you think. And then as he was leaving, he turned around. He says, You know what? Though, you know what I miss the most out of everything. I said, what, you know? I thought he was gonna give me this big, huge, whatever, right? He goes, the food. I missed the food. I forgot that he did love his food. He could eat good, don't get fat. And he left. And I thought every time I, you know, like, think I'm gonna, you know, overeat something, or I said, you know, or cook up something, or eat something really fast, I get to hear him food. Yes, I always like try to cook up something really good or eat something that I'm going to really enjoy and dance around and enjoy. So the food, that's the thing he missed the most, not his female. Remember, child is female that has the food
Speaker 2 58:26
it's funny that they have their own, their own jokes. I know, right, yeah, can you talk a little bit about, I know we've touched a little bit on this throughout that conversation, but the work that you do with the school, how it, how you kind of came up with it, and how you help people through the questions that they have.
Julia Carmen 58:53
Okay, well, the School Without Walls, actually, I didn't know what to name it. I'll be honest with you. At first it was just Julia Carmen and all that stuff. And then one day, I was talking to a good friend of mine, Dana, and I didn't have an office anymore. I decided to give up my office, financial reasons and stuff that I was traveling a lot. That's one of the reasons I was paying for an office and I wasn't there. And then she said, you know, she goes Jules, why don't you, you know? I said, I don't want to call it a school, because really, I'm not teaching anything. Really, she was No, no, go ahead, call it the school. And then we both said it without waltz, you know, so you can move in time and space, because you want both worlds, right? I said, Yeah, so it's endless, right? So what I have found the folks that come to I now I have 10 students a year, then I have retreats one or two a year, and the. Folks that come in, like, basically, they come in with their work, and then we come up with the words that which, right? They're usually folks that are influence, not influencers, like, on this thing, you know, like that they they're wanting to, like, we were talking about, impact the world somehow, whether it's through a book, whether it's building a new company, yeah, most of them are building a new company. Left, you know, Silicon Valley, and they want to do something like big, right? And they are right. So I used to be up in front of 100 1000 people. I enjoyed that. I'm not saying I did it. I really enjoyed that. I enjoyed being on the road and doing workshops, retreat, you know, whatever, yeah, but now it's that one person. I call it the point person, the person that has, you know, if you look at a point, it's like a triangle. So they're the point person. And then you have this over here. Then inside of their all their peeps, their physical peeps, that they're going to be teaching. I'm going to use the word coach, but you know, like, maybe they're coaches for corporate world or whatever, in that they will get quiet, because usually these folks already have everything. People come to me for three things, relationships, well being, relationship with self or other folks, financial, well being or health. Yeah, so those are the three things that I focus in on. So most of the those folks come in already have those three down. Yeah, they're at a point in their life where they're like, I got everything now what Julia and I left this, I left this, or I retired from here. I got to retire at 50, because I made it now. I want to be part of being part of the healing or the working or the whatever, of the world, and change this whole thing like we were talking, you know, we got to figure out what we what we can do as one person. Well, these folks have the resources to change big, big stuff. So those are the folks that come in. That's why I only take 10 right now. Only have four students and and in February, after I have a retreat in February, after February, I'll open it up for others to come in, because they're my focus. They're they're my they don't, I'm not gonna say they have my undivided attention. 24/7, but they're in my what I call this container of of the Mac class, Master automa class. So we meet once a month for a few hours, and then I have individuals with them. And then we have private group checks to the support of they, yeah, and they go to retreats. They all go to the one retreat or two retreats that we have a year they they don't necessarily talk about their business. They talk about getting quiet backing I call it backing into themselves, listening to that because can you imagine, if you're if a person is like at the top of their field, they got all that info, right? They got all the resources. Now, how do I key in on that one thing? How do I key in on that, which I because usually they're very talented. They could do anything they want to do, but they don't want to. They have limited you know, time is something you can't buy back. I know that, right? So they want to make sure that they key in all that. And that's where I come in. Yeah, it doesn't. I don't. I worked with what my first student, she left corporate world and wanted to be massage therapist or whatever. I didn't know what kind of work she did at all. And this was over 20 years ago, and one day she came in. I said, you need to move to Ireland. She said, What? I said, that's what you keep telling you. And she did. She was there for 20 years and built this practice up. She's writing books. She's, you know, she's in Geneva right now, hanging there, I mean. And I one day asked her, exactly, what do you do? It? She goes, Oh, I do this kind of healing modality. And I said, Oh, that's really cool. Me, huh? You see what? I'm not teaching her how to do that. Yeah, I'm actually, you know, like she was trying to figure out what kind of training she should get. There was tons of them. And I said, You know what? Me, huh? I think the best thing to do. She said, What about this one over here? I said, just, you're going to spend too much time there, your peeps are saying, cut that one. What about this over here? Yeah, go with that one, but be careful. Blah, blah, blah, blah, right? So she was going to invest tons of money, and that whatever she was doing right, travel to that place. If it were the wrong place, I don't know about you. You. But a lot of us dump money where we shouldn't, yeah, so that's just there, you know. And relationships, also, she went through some relationships and, and I said, Oh, stay away from that one. And she did it so, you know, you know, it's free will, you know, like, that's not a good one. Yeah, I did the same thing, you know. Like, relationships would tell or can be, yeah, so it's what the person brings the work, quote, unquote, and then we create that in the container of unconditional love. And I'm talking about unconditional love of Kevin, you love you unconditionally. Do your best not to judge yourself every minute of the day, and then get quiet, and then, boom, there you are. Yeah, it's actually, I love it. This is what I was built for. This is, this is what I and I do webinars. I have one on because people like something to hold on to. I don't blame them. I do too. I have a webinar right now. That's called the magical papers, kind of a tongue in cheek. It's about archetypes. It's really cool. It's it's about checking out your archetype. And I got most of the archetypes from Hale Makua, but it was in the Hawaiian vernacular. And then I, you know, my peeps shared this one, that one, this one, that one, there's one in there, Sears, of the Sears, and there's another one, and there's 13 or 14 of them there. And that, when you get on there, you know, you do it, and you can get on there, and two o'clock in the morning, you know, it's kind of nice to know how you lead in this world. If you're super empathic, what does that mean? How do I be that? You know, how do I and it actually tells you, yeah, try this, try that, yeah. And then we have a webinar coming up, also called chichi soul time. I love that one that's about soul care. The guys used to laugh at that one. My friend goes Julia chichi soul time. What does that mean? I just think of, I said, I know what you're thinking of, dude, yeah, no. Talking about, when you nurse a baby, I've nursed a couple of wine. Or if you were nursed, everybody wants lap time, lap, you know, in a healthy way, you sit on somebody's lap as a little person, and you feel that nurturing, yeah? Or if you've been nursed, or you've seen somebody nurse, yeah, we're always wanting, always want that I do. Where do I get that? Well, I'm grown person now, so chichi, Soul time means soul care, if you want to call that, yeah, so that one's coming out next in December. Yeah, I try to for those webinars, I really try to make them reasonable. As far as financial the retreats, the Mac classes, the ALMA readings, I don't do a lot of Alma readings. They all of those three take a lot of my human energy. Yeah. After, because I'm there with you 100% like 110 like my dear reading, I go in, I go deep, and we, we surf. One of my friends said, You look like you're surfing Julia. And I said, I am surfing that liquid light, you know, finding things, yeah, and the retreats, the same thing. If they're three days, four days, five days from the moment I get there, I land and I'm on, yeah? Like, on, I have to have a what I call a handler to say, no, it's time to go to bed,
Julia Carmen 1:08:38
because I love it, yeah? But I think those two webinars are really cool. I It's me talking story with you folks, yeah, and you got handouts. And I just, I thought, you know, I remember when, when I was first trying to figure out, how do I do this? And didn't know better. I guess I didn't try too many people's humans, yeah, and when I was raising my kids, I didn't have any money, yeah, so I thought, you know, I'm going to try and do my best to price these in a way where just that anybody can. And then I have my podcast, Kevin, that's like, and you know, you do a podcast, it takes time and it takes some investment, so I do that. Those are free, yeah, if people get on there and listen
Speaker 2 1:09:24
to them, what, what impact do you want to make on this earth before you have to go on to the other side? And what do you want to be remembered for?
Julia Carmen 1:09:43
You know, that's a good question. Yeah, that I, that I walk. I mean, the first thing I came up with is that I really, Julia really loved herself in a healthy way. She really loved. Herself. I think about my grandchildren. I have 27 grandchildren, and so whatever I want them to go and look at my Gigi. She really loved herself. And because she loved herself, she loved us unconditionally. She never looked at us with judgment. Because how can you not, Kevin, if we're judging ourselves all the time, you know we're going to judge someone else for that same thing. Yeah, that's what I would like people you know, like, Yeah, I'm talking healthy, not in a narcissistic way. She really gave herself a kiss full time.
Speaker 2 1:10:51
And how do you see the legacy of your school and work?
Julia Carmen 1:10:56
Well, actually, I am working on that, the book The indigenous soul, I came up with that like before indigenous came, the word, the word, it's kind of like a buzzword now, but the indigenous soul, it's me how it came. I was at a class, the Mac class, and we were just talking and talking to people, kind of the same thing. And then Mr. Says, why can't we just all like love each other? Why can't we recreate this in the world as unconditional love, and why does everybody has to separate themselves? And I said, well, we need to understand that we have an indigenous soul. And I just kept going. And the gal goes, oh my gosh, that's the name of your book, Julia, because indigenous soul. We're all one, because we all come from the same in the non physical realm. We're all one now. And so that's stuck. That's my legacy, if, if you want to call it that, yeah, because you know, people come and go and we're forgotten, but if people understand who they be, wow, that's that's like, yes, My joy is seeing my students, my children, my grandchildren, be in love with themselves in such a healthy way that they know that they be period,
Speaker 2 1:12:37
amazing. I have a few more questions left. Do you know anyone personally who runs a standout creative business like yourself?
Julia Carmen 1:12:48
Yeah, actually, I do my I know a couple people. Julie Williams, she was my first student, and I could send you her goodies, yeah. And the other person, oh, I don't know her personally. Let me see I know a person that's moving into herself in ways. She's writing a book, Carolyn Wang, W, A N, G, Caroline Wang, and I can get you that info. Actually, Holly can't because she has it, yeah, she'd be great. I actually sent Caroline your info. I said, oh gosh, you know, like, I think this is right up your alley, Alley. Miha for your book, yeah. And the work she's doing this one is an
Speaker 2 1:13:38
interesting one that I usually ask people, but you, you might have different response to it, because what's an extraordinary book, podcast or documentary that has made the biggest impact on your work? But this could be outside of that realm too for you?
Julia Carmen 1:13:57
No, I think it's the one that I always go back to, I don't know if you heard of meditative stories. Yeah, there's, and that's the first one that came to I, I don't know if you and I'm probably saying it wrong, because I do the hookulaya. It's a Hawaiian outrigger that has been going around the world, and they just left again. It gives me chicken skin. I just and they're teaching all over the world, not just the Hawaiian, the Polynesian, but how to be with the land, how to be with the ocean. And Lehua, she was the first female Navigator, and we could send that to you also, too. That one I could listen to over and over and over again, because I love the ocean. And she talks about her responsibility being out in the ocean all the all the preparation before and while she's there, and you could hear her. Talking about the stars and the ocean and how it moves. And, you know, what a, what an amazing experience. And I can how she told the story was amazing, because it's life, yeah, and then how she had to come back to, you know? And, yeah, Nainoa, I can't remember his last name, but he's the guy that started all this in the 70s. Yeah, and yeah, he could they go all over the world, but we'll send that one to you. I'll ask, I'll ask Holly to give that. That's my favorite podcast. My favorite. Sorry, that has that still plays in my head all the time. Anytime I get off, I think of Lehua, and I go, okay, she's out there. She's the captain, and she's got all those kanakas, you know, all those guys, those Connies,
Speaker 2 1:15:57
yeah, I really have a big respect for anybody, any society, that continues traditions of old and continues to pass down that knowledge, because through whatever colonization and whatever has been happening in the world over the last like 500 or so years has really changed this world drastically, and it's nothing like it wouldn't have been, if each society would have developed on its own course. So I think it's important to continue those traditions as long as we possibly can, right? Yeah, well,
Julia Carmen 1:16:33
bringing them back, because that's what they did. They brought it back before. Just a side note here, meal before Nainoa decided to do all this. And them guys, the scientists, said there was no way that the Hawaiians were navigators. They couldn't have they couldn't have gone and their first trip was to Tahiti over 30 years ago, or something like that. And they said, Yeah, right, yeah. So they've been to San Francisco. They've been all over, all over the world, Alaska, you name it, on the outrigger canoe, big, beautiful one, yeah, yeah. I think you'd enjoy it to listen to their journey. Yeah, I follow them. Yeah.
Speaker 2 1:17:21
Very cool. Yeah. Holly will give me all Yeah, she will.
Julia Carmen 1:17:25
I'll write it down, and you could share it. I'd love to I share it at least once a year to my students or on my website or whatever I say, I go share in the hula again. It's my inspiration. See that that's a good question we all have.
Speaker 2 1:17:46
What do you think makes a creative business stand out? And what do you do personally as a creative business owner to make yourself stand out?
Julia Carmen 1:17:57
Yeah, I think being truthful, being honest about what you're providing to folks. Yeah, you know that Shakespeare into their own self, be true people. Can people know when you're bullshitting them better work, you know? Or that just by trying to sell something? Yeah, speak truth. And then those folks that especially creative, those folks that need to be your persons, or students or whoever will show up, they do every single time. Just back into it. Yeah, there's a thinking, Kevin, I'm pretty sure you know that people that are creative, but I think that's about to the whole thing about colonization and stuff is that creative people should give everything away. I've met so many beautiful I love art, oh my gosh. And I've known a lot of amazing artists, and they I said, you need to get somebody to sell your stuff, you're giving it away that. That's not cool. I've been known to do that, giving away my time, you know, or doing readings when I and then I'm laid up for two days and the person just Oh yeah, and I'm going, yeah. So being true to yourself, and knowing I'm going to use this word here and not, not prostitute yourself out. I'm just going to do this, which I understand, totally understand, but I, I personally would rather and I have go work at a, yeah, I worked at a candy store in my younger days because I just said I need to make some money. I've scrubbed toilets my younger days also, too, when I was raising my kids, because I wouldn't do a reading just because, yeah, I don't sit with just anyone. I don't want to sit with just anyone. I don't want. I believe my mom, there's shit out there I don't want. I don't draw that to me anymore. So I'll go clean people's houses in the past. Dollars versus sitting with somebody that I know that would give me lots of money to do something for them or want it for free. Does that make sense? Mike, yeah, yeah, I think that's a difficult thing when you're young and trying to provide and you have something, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 1:20:17
I think it's all about knowing your values and what your time, because we're all limited on time. Like you said, you only have a certain amount of time, and if you spend that time either giving everything away for free and not getting anything back in order to continue your work, I think that's the most important thing. Is if you're not making any money to continue your work, you're not gonna do it because it's it's just not feasible to just, yeah, give and give and give and give without receiving as well, because it needs to be like a reciprocal exchange of value and time and stuff, and the right people who want to pay you for the stuff that you can provide will do that exactly the time and the circumstances are right?
Julia Carmen 1:21:02
Yeah, yeah, Kevin, I've, I've talked to folks and that you were talking about that, and that is that value of self, right? You said it, you know, valuing yourself. I've talked to folks that have all the means because I have, like, what I call a discovery call, or chi, chi. I mean, a cheese me, you know, little cheese make cafecito, you know, let's talk story 30 minutes. And it's, it's, you know, like, I try to, you know, see if it's a good fit. And I'll share with people stuff. And they'll just like, oh, you know, Holly will tell them the price later, right? And they'll, they'll contact me well, you know. And then they'll even say, you know, Julia, I have purses in my closet that are that cost me more than what you're what you're asking. Why is it so difficult for me to pay something for myself? I said, I don't know. And I'm like, okay, they don't come to me. I'm It's okay, it's okay. But I mean, they even tell me that they have the means. They just can't put the investment in themselves. I don't know what to say about that's not my it's not my business. You know, I don't know. You know, like, I'm not gonna lower my price because you feel insecure about, you know, providing for yourself. I just wish him well and say, Okay, I've been there, you know, my younger days, I was there. I didn't, I didn't, you know, I didn't give up my first born to get things. But that's an old saying, but I understand that the value of self, when you said that, that's what came to mind. And other folks, they just sign right up and like, Oh, okay. Like, oh no, this is great, Julia. Let's get let's get cracking. Let's go. I found the person that can help me create my, you know, legacy, my empire, my business, or my whatevers, I said, Okay, let's go. Let's rock and roll. Awesome.
Speaker 2 1:23:07
Yeah, just find your people, and it makes things easier, right?
Julia Carmen 1:23:12
Oh, god, yeah. I've been there with other people. I'm like, why am I doing this? You know, an amazing mentor, Mavis Kern. She was before Makua, and she's still around, and she said, Julia, they have to want it more than you. And that's stuck in my head. They have to want it more than you. And she's and you want it bad. I mean me, like you want to help people be there for them, but, but they don't want it as as much as you do. They need, they need to really want to be in the witches, yeah, a little bit, you know. And I said, Oh, yeah. So when people say things, and I think they're trying to see if I could talk them into hanging out with me, I'm not going to do that, you know. But Holly will give you know. Say, well, this person said that. I said, Okay. She goes. I said, I'm not chasing people. Holly, she goes, Oh yeah, I know. I just want to let you know what they said, if you want to say anything back, I said, and there's nothing to say, yeah, if they did choose to come back, great. If not to say, I mean, it takes
Speaker 2 1:24:19
a lot to get to that point where you're able to recognize I think that the sooner that you do recognize it, the better off you'll be. But a lot of times, we all have to go through our own journeys in order to figure
Julia Carmen 1:24:32
through yeah, oh yeah, yeah. I was very fortunate. I'll be honest with you. I never really thought anything about not investing in myself. I just never had some advice from somebody when I was in my 20s, and I saw her life, and I thought, okay, she just said, put some money aside for yourself and each month and then that's your that's your little pocket of whatever you have all these kids, Julie, even if it's just to go to a movie. And back when, when I had all my kids, it was a lot. Even a few bucks was, you know, your wage was, like, two bucks an hour. That's, I'm not kidding, yeah. So saving up for two bucks to go to the movies or whatever was, you know, a couple hours of work. So I would save all that up, and then I would go off by myself and go to a movie or something, or go with a friend or something. I'm not talking anything big. And then that little savings has grown to something very nice, yeah, and I take time off or I do things by myself. Doesn't have to cost anything, but every time you walk out the door you know this, Kevin, where, where you live, it's going to cost you something, but there's gaps or clothes on unless and where you're at, they don't wear clothes. But I think they do. They do. I don't know. You might live on a neatest colony. I don't know. I have no idea. I don't want to, like shame anybody, yeah, but Right, oh, I
Speaker 2 1:26:10
was just gonna get to the next thing, which was, can you give the listeners a challenge that they can Take right away?
Julia Carmen 1:26:21
Okay, yes, this. I love this one. I'm going to challenge you to Kevin every morning. It's an old one, but it works every morning. You get up in the morning, look in the mirror and say, You are so good looking. I challenge everybody to do that. Everybody just really, with emphasis, you are so good looking. Yeah,
Speaker 2 1:26:53
that's the first time I've heard that one, so that I love it. You asked? Yeah, well, this has been really amazing talking. You have so much knowledge and interesting experience to bring to creative people. And no matter what they're doing, I think they can learn a lot from what you've talked about today. Can you let people know where to keep up to date with you? Oh, yeah.
Julia Carmen 1:27:26
Www, the school without walls.net, and there's actually some really kind of fun goodies on there too, the 10 Questions to Ask Your soul self. Oh, I love that one. And I think there's a kit for Dia de los Muertos. I think it's still on there, because I do that, and, of course, all the podcasts and all the goodies we have on there. Oh, you have a baby too,
Unknown Speaker 1:27:55
in the shape of a dog. Yeah,
Unknown Speaker 1:27:59
they're the best. They're the best. It's
Unknown Speaker 1:28:02
been amazing. Talking to you.
Julia Carmen 1:28:04
Well, thank you, Kevin, so much for having me on the show. Like I said at the beginning, it's been a while, and I think I'm back. Sounds cool. I mean, I do them, I interview people, but I haven't been interviewed. Yeah, and you ask great questions. Thank you. Anybody that's thinking about coming onto Kevin's podcast, get on here. He's going to make you tell stuff you've never said before.
Unknown Speaker 1:28:31
Thank you, Miha. Thanks. Bye.
Julia Carmen 1:28:36
Thank you for being with us today. I hope this conversation gave you something real to hold on to, something that helps you breathe again, something that helps you come back to yourself. And also, I want to offer another Muchas gracias, Kevin Chung, for your generosity of allowing us to reshare this conversation here. Kevin's work through stand out creative podcasts is a beautiful support for those who are building something, whether it's creative business, a new offering, a new path, or simply a new version of your life. And if you want to go deeper with e i The School Without Walls, I have a free resource called 10 Questions to Ask Your soul self. It's a beautiful place to begin. And if you're in a season where you want support, you're also welcome to book a free cafecito y chisme. Call with me
Speaker 1 1:29:47
all the links are in the show notes until next time. Mira le muchos, abrazos y amo during this time in our lives, wherever. You be Thank you. Abrazos again and Amen You
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