The Good Wife: Season 4, Episode 12 - Je Ne Sais What?

In this episode of the Good Pod, we dig into one of the most intense and layered outings of the show — where “case of the week” merges seamlessly with character drama. Elsbeth Tascione lands in jail and ropes in Alicia Florrick to bail her out and cover a major arbitration hearing. The case spirals: Will Gardner navigates complicated Swiss‑style arbitration rules, while Elsbeth unleashes a bold “Rambo” move that turns the hearing on its head. Meanwhile, campaign tensions rise when a leak reveals Peter Florrick’s racial‑bias skeletons — and Alicia finally has her runaway moment with Peter, risking everything for one impulsive night. This episode hits hard on loyalty, legal gamesmanship, and messy personal truths.

Timestamps:
 00:03 – Hosts kick off and introduce the dual cases this week
 00:05 – Alicia discovers Elsbeth is jailed and rushes to help
 00:20 – Arbitration hearing chaos: chain‑of‑custody and Elsbeth’s “Rambo” reveal
 00:40 – Campaign leak: Peter’s racial‑bias record exposed
 00:55 – Surprise bus rendezvous: Alicia and Peter act on desire
 01:02 – Elsbeth posts bail — fallout for campaign and firm

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Creators and Guests

Host

Jason Reed

I’m a simple guy with simple interests. Pop Culture, Tv, Movies, Comics. Constantly chasing that nostalgia dragon. Podcaster talking Married At First Sight on A Perfect Match and The Good Wife verse on The Good Pod.

Host

Marissa Garza

MTv never told me the Real World would be like this // podcaster, consultant, and tv watcher

What is The Good Pod?

Calling all fans of courtroom intrigue and complex characters! Join us each week as we dive deep into the gripping world of "The Good Wife," "The Good Fight", "Elsbeth," and the entire legal drama universe created by Robert and Michelle King. Jason Reed and Marissa Garza, break down each episode, unpack intricate plot lines, and analyze the moral dilemmas faced by Alicia Florrick, Diane Lockheart, Elsbeth Tascioni, and their colleagues. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to these addictive shows, you'll gain fresh insights and catch details you might have missed.

# The Good Wife S3 E12

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Jason Reed, and that's all the French that I could muster at a short notice. Um, I'm Jason Reed, as I said in French, if you know French. And, uh, I'm here with my co-host, the one, the only the person that probably loves this episode of The Good Wife more than any other 'cause of all the things and stuff going on with Alicia and Peter.

Ugh, Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good? We Oh, I should done you, I should have done you good in French. I did all this stuff in French. I should have done you good in French. Um, uh oh. What is that? Uh, I, again, my brain is in Spanish and not in French, but we'll figure it out by the end of the pod. You good in French?

Uh, I, I got the ending[00:01:00]

is like, how are you? But yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that stuff. Uh, a very French, uh, episode of the Good Pod. Uh, it's suggested by the title Gene. Say what of this episode? Episode 12, season four. Uh, interesting episode for us because, uh, you know, we're currently in the middle of the Elsbeth season three shenanigans, and this episode features heavily the one and only Elsbeth.

Uh, so exciting because it's always interesting to see the. It starts in origins of Elsbeth and how she has matured through the years and to, to really compare her to the Elsbeth of today is really interesting. And we can get into like the, uh, the differences and, and all that as we go through. Um, before we get too deep into the episode, we wanna remind you of some free and easy ways you can help this [00:02:00] podcast.

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Uh, a great supporter of the show. Marissa, do you have the name up? I don't have the name up. Yes, it's Maria, Alina. Maria, thank you so much for your contribution. I know in your, in the notes, in the, uh, buy me a coffee, you said you're not, you're not up with the Elizabeth yet. Uh, but you, you love the, the good pod, uh, recaps.

So we thank you so much. We really, really appreciate your conversation. Say Yeah, mercy Baku. Yeah, exactly. Fantastic. [00:03:00] Alright, so Marissa, with all that album, let's, uh, let's get into the French connection that we got. Whoa. Oh, I, I see what you did there. Uh, well this case of the week was actually like two separate cases a week, but also one case of the week.

So we're just gonna run it all down and then we got some campaign stuff to talk about at the end. Um. Elizabeth calls Alicia during breakfast, um, from jail. We don't know if she's into jail yet, but she, she's definitely in the police station. We can tell, she's like, Hey Alicia, I need your help on a case for my client.

It's a contract arbitration. I am kind of stuck and not able to do it. Uh, are you able to like, help me out? 'cause I'm in jail. It's just like on my way. Well, she, she doesn't say, I mean, I'm like, she probably tells you like I'm at the police station and you know, yeah. Elise probably thinks like, oh, she's like visiting a client, like in, in jail or something.

Uh, of course, classic Ellizabeth does not give all the details of like, Hey, I'm in jail. And Felicia was like, [00:04:00] why did you tell me you were in jail? I was be like, would it have mattered? Like, what was the point? Why would I even tell you that? Yeah. Yeah. And she just for, uh, again, knowledge of the Chicagoland area.

Ellsworth is in Skokie, which is closer to Wisconsin than Chicago ish. Like it's, it's up north. Um, so it takes a bit for Alicia to get there. So when she gets there, she finds Ellsworth in a jail cell. And I was just like, yeah. So I was arrested while I was going after this guy named Simon Fasel. He's the CEO of this like athletic brand.

Um, and he rigged on a contract with my clients. So I'm here and there's also a hearing in two hours. Can you cover for me? And Alicia's like, well, I'm here in Skokie. I'm gonna need some help. Let me call Will. And she does this, the call of basically like, Hey, can you be in an arbitration in an hour? And he's like, I guess like, I don't know.

And literally the open sesame, oh, this entire episode is, [00:05:00] it's all be Tassone. It's like, oh, it's Elizabeth. I'll be right there. I, I really love that because I just, I really enjoy, I don't know. It, it, the world feels genuine and real. When you feel the connection these people have to another person because ELLs Smith, through the, through the seasons, has helped every single one of our characters.

So they feel this like connection and this obligation to Ellsworth because they all love ELLs Smith. Everyone like, oh my God, it's ELs Smith. I need to help Elsworth. She's like, she's awesome, she's cool. So I love that feeling of connection between the characters. And I would say speaking for myself, um, ellizabeth was a character.

We did not have the language to really like describe we did, but women were not really involved in being seen as neuro like diverse or anything like that. And I think it's really fun for me to see Elsbeth like accepted by people and like people are, these people are dropping everything to [00:06:00] help Elsbeth just because Elsbeth is Elsbeth.

And I thought that that was. That's really heartwarming and like something good to see at least 20, 25 for myself as well. Yeah. People are giving up their weekend to, to El Elizabeth their weekends, uh, so will takes on the arbitration. He's like, don't worry about this. Like, I'm just gonna ask for continuance.

Worse comes to worse, like Elizabeth will take over on Monday. Uh, the opposing lawyer comes and is like, sorry to, sorry to lose Elsbeth. She was, you know, a fun, entertaining opponent. And then Anna, the client goes to Will, can you win? And Will is like, yes, yes, we can win. Will's like, oh yeah, this much just is guys, we know jerk.

I hate people that are being jerks to me. I'm gonna win this thing. Yes, yes. So the, the point, the, the situation here is that anime a commercial, it never aired and she was never paid. But in the contract, the payment was not dependent on the distribution of the thing. So Will's going at this straight, like, hey.[00:07:00]

You said you were gonna pay, you need to pay. That's what, what's going on. But the company is saying, yeah, but we have this clause that basically says that we can like, terminate the contract at any time. And your client just was picked up for, or like, not picked up for doping, but um, banned from the world championships for doping.

So now this contract is voided regardless, so we're not gonna pay. Yeah. And that's like the contract part of it. And Elsbeth sees this as like, this is like kind of what Louis Canning was doing to Alicia in the last episode, keeping Elle's beth away from the case, making sure she's in jail so she can't get to the arbitration in time.

So now everyone, everyone is there. And um. Will is taking it on. Yeah. I like, and she, oh, she does tell Alicia, like, tell Will. This is not a normal hearing. Like this is the operate under Swiss rules and I love it When Will is in this [00:08:00] environment. Oh man, I, I think the show. The show realizes we love when will's in this situation because they throw will into so many different like situations where he's uncomfortable, he doesn't know what he's doing.

What do you think about it? Will is like super basic. Will is only used to like American law and American courtrooms like America. America. He don't want nothing special. He don't want no military courtrooms. He doesn't want any French courtrooms. He doesn't want, he is, I forgot what other courtrooms he's been in, where he is been like so, so shocked and like, it's not exactly what I, the kind of thing I do.

Hell no. What is this? Because he gets to the, he gets to the uh, CAS panel and this is so shocked when people started speaking in French. He's like, uh, what, what? This is not fair. I'm American. I don't speak nothing but American. Yeah, yeah. Uh, while he is doing that or getting there, Alicia is trying to get Ellizabeth transferred to the city for.

Convenience sake. But the judge, um, makes a call and he is [00:09:00] like, can't do it 'cause we're doing a psychic eval eval apparently, which is a little troubling for the team. Uh, but once will gets to the track where the arbitration is going, he's like, okay, there's three judges here. I got this, this is it. I know what to do.

And then like you're saying, Jason, I am not a good French speaker. I don't know what to say. I don't even also don't wanna say anything inappropriate. I want you to continue speaking the French gibberish, like just making up things. Um.

And, and those wee, we, I said,

uh, okay, so Will, here's all this French. And he's like, um, excuse me. Like, no offense, he's like trying to be so like, gentle about this, but he's like, hi, I don't speak French. Is there any way, any way at all that this could be done in English? And the guy [00:10:00] next to him says, ah, he is just a, in French, he's just a victim of the US um, education system.

And then, and so the, the lead judge in the arbitration is like, well, for your benefit, Mr. Gardner mm-hmm. We will do this in English, you may proceed. And will's like with what? Like, yeah. Yeah. This is like, say what? This is not what I'm used to. Like, what am I proceeding with? Like, you're need to help me out here.

Like, what, what are we doing? What? Like what's going on? I, I, you know, listen, I, I love how will, you know, carefully treated. Like he was like, Hey, you're in America. You should, I mean like you speak English. Okay. Season one will would've had a different response for sure. I think like he's been through a couple of dope, like off kilter type of moments.

Like he went into that court military courtroom for the first time and was like, this is not how you do things. So now he's like, kind of like, okay, I need to adapt to the environment that I'm in. Let me see what's going on. I've had enough people pissed at me. 'cause [00:11:00] I thought I was like throwing my weight around to understand, yeah.

To tread carefully here. So I, you know, I love the people. They're like, oh yes, Mr. God. Now we will, uh, we will abide to you. We, we will bow to you and let, and let you do this in, in English and if that's what you need, fine. And I just love how they were just like looking down at him and be like, oh, you only speak one language.

Yeah. I mean it's true. It is a detriment to the, to the American education system and also the American society as a whole. Like, we should be speaking multiple languages. Just FYII will die on that hill. That is something that is putting us at a disadvantage all the way around the world. And I don't know why everyone has to speak English and Americans don't have to learn any other languages.

I will step off my so soapbox, but yes. Like it's important in my opinion. I agree. I agree. In my opinion. Jason. Yes. In your opinion. So, um, basically in this arbitration, the. Accused has to prove they didn't do it, so has to [00:12:00] come up with their defense. And so Will's like, listen, Anna passed every single test, and the guy on the other side is like, yeah, she did.

However, there was ghosting that was identical to the notorious six or the big six. And these apparently were six people who were kicked out because of doping. Mm-hmm. And there's a lot ofWe. Whoa, whoa. French, French, French. And uh, it comes out that there was a carrier that thaw drugs being brought to Anna.

At night. And so there's a vote whether to like, we was like, cool, great, let's talk to this guy. Let's bring up, let's bring up this witness. And they're all like, there's no witness. Like, okay, let him speak in the chair that is, is here. There's not a stand Mr. Gundo. He's like, all right, well, I mean, let him sit over there and that the fricking chair, he's a thing that please, he's like, was like, was like, I object.

He's like, there is no objection here, Mr. Garner. This is not law order. Okay. So it's very, yeah. Yeah. But [00:13:00] there we learn through this vote that there is, the three judges are there for a reason. There is a vote, it's a two to one vote. So therefore the courier is gonna be brought in. At this point was like, well it's the witness that saw the courier, right?

Yes. The witness that saw the courier, uh, was like, be right back. I'm gonna need some help. And who is my most cultured, uh, friend that I can call on here? So, perfect. I love this so much. 'cause you know. Christine PKIs supremacy in all of my podcasts in, in all of my life. Mm-hmm. Um, I love her so much. Um, but yes, Diane is waiting, you know, just in her office.

She's thinking she's going to the spa. She's looking at a brochure for the spa. She's looking to also, like, it is the weekend, but she's sitting in the office looking at a spa brochure. A little weird. I dunno. But Wilco, how good is your French? She's like, what do you, what do you mean? Like, they're talking in French.

She's like, okay. And [00:14:00] she knows some French. Okay. So she, she rattles off some French, I don't know what, I don't know what she said, but she rattled off some fancy sound French words. Yes, yes, exactly. And Diane's like, will, what is this? And he's like, it's for a friend. She's like, okay. And she, he goes, it's Elsbeth.

I'm like, oh, I'll be right there again. Yeah. Love it. The secret word. The secret word. So Elsbeth is being prepped for her psych Evel in jail by Alicia. I just, I, can I just say how much I love the fact that, you know, when, when Alicia's talking, well, Alicia's talking to the judge, first of all, Alicia's like trying to hold it together.

'cause the judge is like, just like eating how, how's pet doing? How's pet? She's like, she's like, fine. He's like, that bitch is really nipping at her, at his heels on Alicia's. Like, don't say anything crazy. Yes, yes. That, that bitch is really different at his heels. Yeah. Oh yeah. And so it, it totally makes sense that [00:15:00] El Smith's, you know, just kind of modus opera, opera die, just triggers a psych evaluation.

Like, I don't even think it was anything like underhanded. I think everyone, like people just saw Ell Smith, how she was like acting like, like this person might need to. I need some help, some other help we can't give right now, so let's get a psych eval. And I was like, it makes total sense. It really does.

Well, and I also think it was a delay tactic. It was, and, and something that they, it was, it was a vulnerability that they could exploit, like from the other side. And it was, it was a delay maybe. But it's not something that you'd be like for Al Smith? No. What do you mean? Oh, no, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Yeah.

I get it. I see. It's like, because the judge is like, is your client, uh, erratic? It's like, uhoh what's going on now? It's like they're out or a psych eval. He is like, yeah. Yeah. Makes sense. Makes sense. Well, and I love this because the way that Alicia is prepping Elle's both, she's explaining how these questions are asked and Okay.

ELs taking Elsbeth out of the, the, the [00:16:00] equation, this is set up. For you to fail basically. Yeah. Uh, there's a lot of pauses in between the questions, so if you're nervous, you're probably gonna talk, you're probably gonna say something at this point. I was like, do I talk too much? Is that something I need to worry about?

And also they ask like compound questions, like, do you like the one that's asked actually in the psych, Evel is like, do you feel guilty about drinking or using chemicals? And like, they're two unrelated things and, but they're tied together with the world. Were guilty and like chemicals, what, you know what I mean?

Like, there's so many different ways that you could answer this question in so many different, different, you say, if you say no, he's like, oh, so you don't feel guilty about using chemicals? Right, exactly. Like, no, I don't use chemicals. Like, what do you mean? It's like, well, but I mean everyone uses everything is a chemical.

Like it's such a hard question to answer because it's not like I'm sitting here sniffing chemicals, but at the same time I use soap. [00:17:00] You know, like cut, cut to versus like part of the room. We don't see like bottles of glue and an air duster just surrounding versus I got the, uh, breaking bad RV in the back.

No, I don't, but I'm just saying it's, it's not set up well for anyone, let alone Elizabeth, who will overthink every single thing and try to find different angles to different things. Um, so Will brings the teammate that saw Anna receive this package from this courier onto the whatever the stand, the chair, the place.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um, and they say the night before. London, which I'm assuming is the Olympics. She saw a courier bring a bottle of pills to Anna, and Anna went into the bathroom and it was from Nelson, who was one of the notorious six. This, the difference here is that [00:18:00] Diane is there and so the judges start yak shaming, which is in Polish.

They start talking about, in French, they start talking in French, and she is able to break in. To the French Babel and say, Hey, this is real, really isn't fair. And while she has the advantage, we'll like, ask for something, anything. Just ask for something like, get out of this. And so she asks for a break and, and because she speaks French, the French judge is like, wait, of course, of course we can have a break.

Of course. Um, speaking of which, we should probably mention the actors who are playing Judge Villa Villa. Villa Peak. Villa Peak and Anna. Uh, yeah, judge, uh, Villa Peak is, uh, again, one of those character actor guys. Uh, he has a, Ronald Guttman does not sound very French, but he always, I feel like whenever I see him, he has like this like kind of affected accent.

So I don't know where [00:19:00] De quo of sorts. Yeah. I don't know where his roots are, but I. I know him from all my children where he played like a very villainous person. He was the satin slayer, and he was like, he was like a serial killer. He ended up killing a lot of the ladies of fusion cosmetics, which at the time for a young Jason or young Jason in, in his prime, I was mad because he was taking away all of my eye candy from all my children.

Uh, also killed Dixie Martin. How dare he? No, this is, I think this is what caused, is this what caused the recast for Dixie to, uh, Kelly Gish who has been on the Good Wife and is currently on Oh, yes. Ous for you. Yeah. Um, I'm not sure if that was, uh, the catalyst for that or not, but he killed Dixie, a beloved character, and he killed a lot of.

Fine looking ladies. So for a young Jason, you get, yeah, I gotta understand he was, I felt a very certain way about that, but uh, that's not bet you're holding like [00:20:00] a grudge or anything. Or not at all. You haven't really like, worked out in therapy or anything like that? Not at all. I saw Judge Villa Peak and I was like, I hate this guy for some reason.

Why do I, and I looked at him, I was like, oh yeah, he's that guy. Um, uh, Anna was played by Elizabeth Al Defer, which she's not like hugely famous, but she's been to some interesting things. United States of Al, I don't know if anyone remembers the sitcom. Oh yeah. It was like, uh, it was about a soldier who returned home and got like an interpreter.

He met over there, got him to, got him over to the United States and he like lived with him and it was a whole thing. Uh, she was also an AP bio. I did not watch that show. It sounds like a show you would've watched though. I did not, but it is something that I probably would enjoy. Yeah. Um, I think I just missed it.

Yeah, whatever you love school stuff. You, you love Smarty pants stuff. Uh, so yeah. Tho tho those Anna and Judge vpe, no one like. No one out here that's like crazy famous, like we're kind of used to, but uh, yeah, it's just a little casty. Just some peeps. Peeps. Some peeps. Uh, [00:21:00] so after Diane asks for the break, they take 30 minutes to head back to the office, and this is where we find out that Nelson, one of the notorious six, the guy who brought the drugs over, oh, was Anna's boyfriend.

And this is like, well, gotta be hiding something. We gotta check with sba. Like, we gotta get, we gotta get some more information. Meanwhile, SBA is in her psych eval and she's being asked questions like, do you feel guilty about drinking or using chemicals? Which is so great. And her answer, I is very elsbeth.

Well, like, I don't, I don't feel guilty about drinking. And I don't use chemicals, which I'm assume you're thinking is chemical substances. Yeah. And so, yes. But then at the end she laughs and this kind of tips off the pers, the questioner, the evaluator, basically. It's like, what are you laughing at? She's like, oh, just the oddity of human behavior.

And then I don't know how her brain does it. I [00:22:00] don't know how she jumps from that to Anna. Must have been pregnant. Yeah. I don't like, you know, especially in the current Elizabeth series, you usually get a good, like indication of why she has a eureka moment. But this eureka moment came out of nowhere for her.

And it's just like, wait a minute. And you could like, it was funny because in the beginning of the psych test, you can tell she's trying, she's trying really hard to focus. She's trying like really hard. And Alicia told her before, like, like, just stay in the silences. Do not feel the silence. Just let it go.

And she tries real hard, but she doesn't quite get there. She starts talking, starts talking about the human oddity, and then. Boom. She talks about the chemical that was f that was found in the testing and what that chemical might be where, where the hormones are concerned. And I don't know what, like El Dels would go to like, uh, medical school or something like, how does she know this?

Uh, but as she'll say later, she does not know how she knows that of stuff she knows, which is so great. Which is so funny. [00:23:00] Uh, so Ellizabeth just kind of determines for herself that the, the reasoning for the, for the elevated levels of whatever, whatever hormone is, because Anna was pregnant at the time of the testing, so, Ooh.

Yes. Not like a drug test would be biased towards women and not be able to figure out if this was a pregnancy hormone or not. I don't know what, what, because they did, you know that like they didn't start testing, doing medical testing on women until just a few years ago. Did you know that? Is that, isn't that something that makes you feel good about the American medical system?

This society? Melissa? What do you mean? Great. This a society that takes great care of their, of their female, uh, citizenry. What my way? Get outta here. Get outta town. Um, and, and so I, and like Elizabeth, as Elizabeth likes to do, like, puts everything together, she's like, okay, she was pregnant and those drugs that were delivered to her, or whatever you wanna call 'em, that were delivered to her were, uh, more than likely, um.

Prestone the drugs that would make her not pregnant anymore, [00:24:00] correct? Yes. Which is like a drug that's still under scrutiny today and all this other stuff. But you should remember, they're in Europe. So this guy was able to go get Yeah. Prestone on his own. I free it to her probably for free. Um, yes. So will, once they know this information, Diane and Will are like, listen, Anna, you gotta, you gotta say something.

You gotta tell them because if you tell them we can defend you with the truth, you're in the clear, you're gonna get your money, all of this stuff. And Anna was like, no way, Jose. Like, there's no way I'm doing this. My family's gonna freak out, sister's gonna freak out. And so, um. Will, will strangely asks, what do you want us to do?

Def She's like, defend me with whatever you can. And he's like a lie. Like, will will my guy. I don't think you are like a above defending someone with a lie. We've seen you do it a a few hundred different times. Um, see, I I, Diane basically like, I like how Diane boys [00:25:00] look down. She's like, listen, on one end you've got $5 million.

Mm-hmm. And you'll be able to race on the other end. You know, it's your family. Like, this is what you like. If you don't do it, you got nothing. Five mil, nothing. And Anna is like insistent. She cannot tell her family that she went through with an abortion. She cannot do it. She cannot break the heart. She's willing to, uh, do do away with the 5 million.

She won't run the race. Her, her name will probably, probably be like, you know, disgraced for saying she was, uh, doping or whatever. So she's willing to, to. Un to do away with all that, just to not admit that she had an abortion. Yeah, and I think also during this, she, she says multiple times like I was pregnant and I wanted to meddle.

I was pregnant and I wanted to meddle. I don't know what the rules are on if pregnant athletes can participate in, in the thing or not, but I, I am, I think it's an, uh. A, like what happened was a symptom of ambition [00:26:00] than anything else. Yeah. And like, like honor and pride and all of that stuff. Because if she didn't have to one, if she didn't have to worry about her family, but even if she did, was worried about her family, if she wasn't showing and it was safe to run, she could have ran and then dealt with the pregnancy later.

But if there was any way that this is gonna break the rules, I am assuming this was a choice she had to make. Hey, pregnant women can do anything pregnant women can do anything if you wa spoiler for the challenge coming up. But, uh, if you watch the challenge, literally a pregnant woman just won the challenge not even knowing Oh yeah, she was pregnant.

Oh yeah. And they, they like, they climbed a mountain in that challenge finale. It was brutal. Uh, so pregnant women can do anything. My questioning was also like, when, when is all this timeline taking place? Because when Alicia and ELs brother are talking about when the testing Oh. Yeah, the Olympics, I think, and this was in preparation for the worlds, but we used that test from months ago to like, oh, no, no, no, no, [00:27:00] no.

The drugs were delivered during the Olympics. The test was taken in preparation. So they're tested multiple weeks up into the, um, competition. Right. But which she still, she wouldn't have those elevated levels anymore. 'cause she's not pregnant anymore. Right. Because she got tested months ago. Months ago.

Yeah. That's right. That's right. Yeah. I don't know because Lisa was like, well, she doesn't have a baby anymore. Oh. Like, she's like, oh, I see. Okay. So this is months ago, so I don't know why. Yeah. Like the timeline is like, is not lining for me. Yeah. This is also not lining up for me. Peter at the, I mean, Alicia at this point calls Peter.

She's feeling some sort of way, which we'll talk about it. Um, but.

Uh, basically tells Peter what's going on, and Peter is hopeful in this moment. Um, he says, do you want me to make a call? And she's like, really? You would do that? And he's like, [00:28:00] who is it? Elizabeth Tasone. Oh, can't do it for her. 'cause it'll look political instead of personal. But then Peter leaves the call saying, Hey, question the arrest.

And like the constitutionality of the arrest, if the arrest, the arrest isn't good, the rest of the case isn't good. Um, which is also something that is being tried in a very public case at the moment for one, Luigi Mangione. Oh, so just FYI. Always make sure if you are arrested, take mental notes where you read your rights.

Were you arrested by the right people in the right place at the right time? Not maybe so the right time, but anywho. So then we get Dr. Crawford on the stand. I'm just gonna call it the stand at the arbitration. Um, I recognize this guy who is Otto and the Sdoa from the diplomat. If you have not watched the diplomat, it is very good wife vibes, very good wife coded, but like international.

And he [00:29:00] was also in Chicago Med. So listen, I, I've been, I have recently been like bamboozled into watching that show all her fault. Oh my gosh. Yeah. What do you think? Uh, I'm two episodes in. I'm just like. I don't see what the big deal is. Oh, talk to me later. Talk to me later. Talk to me later. Alright. I guess, uh, Dr.

Crawford's on the stand, he is the lead chemist and he has tests all of the things. And he also is the one who made the discovery that of this ghosting of this basically result here. And, um, plane is like, have you ever seen this drug? Is it a thing? Or like, basically trying to question, is this just an assumption or have you seen that this drug actually exists?

And he's like, I haven't seen that it exists, but like when a plane goes through the sky and there's contra trails, you know, a plane has been there basically. And so yeah, they're doing all this stuff. There's a lot of conversation. The guy next [00:30:00] door, next door, the opposing lawyer person is like, if we're gonna do this on metaphor, like we're done here.

Like, this is basically it. And there's more discussion. And French Judge Guy tells Will, because he's arguing as he does, uh, that will is not Rambo. Okay? This is not Rambo, Mr. Gardner. It's not Rambo. And also in the conversation Diane picks up in French that the rules don't require here actual proof. So they're gonna have to find some other way.

So they put Clinda on the case and they ask her to review ELs Beth's quote unquote notes. They look like my notes. Sometimes. I don't know what the, I'm writing down. I don't know what I'm saying, but I would know what it was if I looked at it. But, um, I cannot tell any, anywhere from this. It looked like some notes that Ellizabeth would take, like they look like notes that I would take, like look at these notes, like, yes, yes, exactly.

Uh, it, it's the notes of a scattered mind minded [00:31:00] person that just kind of all over the place. No one else can understand that except for you who wrote the notes. Yes. Yes. And. She explains to clinda that the burden of proof is on the innocent here. And the best plan of attack here is to attack the three pillars.

That, and she has to remember them from, from her own brain. She's like analysis, confidentiality, and chain of custody. I, I do love, I, I love the pairing of Clinda and Elsbeth because Clinda, who is so like, uh, straightforward, no nonsense, talking to Elsbeth who has nothing but nonsense. I was, was like, and what are the other ones?

Glenn's like, I, I don't know. She's like, no, I'm talking to myself. Is like, uh, okay. It's, it gives very like straight man and uh, working off of Yes. Other person. Yes. I also wanna mention here that Kalinda mentions that Diane is working on the case and through this entire time, ellizabeth has been so, like, she's talking to Alicia's, like, will [00:32:00] will send the kiss.

Oh my gosh, she's touched. Yeah. I love Will. I was so sad when he was, when he was just, um, when he was suspended. Diane's on the case. Oh my gosh. She's so elegant. Like she's such a fan. Like it kind of like puts her us in her seat a little bit because, you know, being fans of the show. Uh, so Alicia and Geneva are in trying to get Elle's Beth's arrest figured out Geneva.

Big Geneva episode. Big Geneva episode. I love that. I, I loved having Geneva in front and center. I'm trying, like, I'm trying to remember the last time we've even seen Geneva in court. Like it's been a minute, it has been a minute, it has been a minute. And I just love this because she's just like, uh, this is stupid.

Like, I dunno why we're doing this. Uh, but Alicia is arguing that Elizabeth left campus property and because she was arrested by campus police, this arrest has no legal balance at all. Um, and of course, [00:33:00] Geneva's like, this is what. What the what? And then yeah, Aisha goes well. Yeah. And also the parking garage where Elba was arrested is owned by Illinois Trust and Bank.

So it wasn't even owned by the, the university. So at this point, Geneva goes, this is lu deity or ludic, cassity, some sort of word. And I love how the judge is like, huh, the judge who's the same judge that was, you know, talking to Alicia earlier is like this, everyone here except for Geneva, who is just pounding her of her fist about the point was like, this is stupid.

Like, why, why are we here? Why are we doing this? And, and it turns into like this like whole dispute of like, who owns a parking lot on what level of what floor? Like, but it was, yeah. Is it in the, is it in the campus securities, uh, jurisdiction to arrest elsewhere? It gets to a whole issue of semantics and the lawyer for.

Um, a robos is back there like as you see a couple episodes ago with all the whispering back and forth between different lawyers, right? So that guy is back to like giving [00:34:00] Geneva some pointers and he's, she's going back and forth and he got, uh, Alicia Ellsworth trying to confer the judge's. Like, all right, like, listen bro, like y'all get, get your acts together and then come back.

We'll figure this out. Like so, yes, I did love in that scene though, how this is where Lizabeth is whispering to Diane but not the second and third floors. And she's like, how do you know that? She's like, I dunno. I dunno, I dunno how I know half the things I know, which is very relatable and my opinion for myself.

Uh, but yes, she was apparently arrested just for laying the facts of the case down on the third floor stairwell, which is not necessarily under the purview of the university 'cause they are only on the first and fourth floors. I feel like if, if this was like, uh, if we were, if we were watching Elsbeth right, we would've seen like security footage from the garage of ELLs Smith.

Yes. Uh, harassing the CEO and how that would've gone, I would've appreciated saying it. I That would've been hilarious. Yeah. Whatever she was saying to this man that got arrested, it's probably like, excuse me, sir, you [00:35:00] dropped something. You know what I mean? Like, it's not gonna be, she doesn't come out until it's your morals until Yeah, until the end.

Uh, back at the, uh, hearing Diane is testing the chain of custody theory, um, and basically establishes that there was a delay in the shipping of the sample and when there was a delay in the shipping of the sample, it constitutes a break in the chain of custody and the test must be discarded by the rules of the organization itself.

Um, and the other side is basically saying, well, the timing wouldn't change the results. So I don't know what we're talking about here, but it is the rules and the judges go back to their talking in. In French, and she, Diane picks up by listening to her French, uh, that the German judge is against us right now, but is s Sueable.

So, you know, and the judge, the French judge is still like, I don't know why they have to be Rambo. He loves Rambo for some reason. Yes. I love, I love will's. Like, who even [00:36:00] watches Randall? Like what is he talking about? Uh, back in court, Geneva argues that, okay, fine, whatever, whoever owns whatever. There is something called the hot pursuit doctrine.

Um, which is basically like once you're in pursuit of someone you can go, you could finish it out and Elsbeth is trying to not whisper, so she tries to scribble something odd. But, uh, Alicia has this and Alicia says, yeah, but that only applies in emergency situations. In the end, the judge rules that the arrest was legal, um, and Alicia moves directly to go to bond so that she can post bail.

Ella about like, you know, Alicia's trying to get the judge just let Ellsworth go, go bail out, go bond out. Let's not do with the whole, like going back to jail or whatever. Let's just let her bond out. And Geneva, who I think just by principal Yes. Does not, does not wanna let Ellsworth like, get out of this so easily.

She's like, no, she must go back to jail. And, and the judge is like, all right, like relax. And he says, you know, when the law is an ass, someone has to kick it. I was like, yeah, I like [00:37:00] you judge. Yeah. You are one of the judges I like. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Outside of that, uh, bitch comment from earlier. Yeah, that was great.

Uh, at the arbitration, the judges come back and decide against. The charge of custody argument and basically call it guidelines. This gets, this is a Will Gardner Classic fire up. He's like, oh, there's just guidelines now. What are you talking about? You're changing the rules. What all this stuff. At the same time, again, picturing we are in a track house.

We are in a field house coming down the track is none other than ELs Smith ti uh, recently, uh, posted bail. I feel like you can only do this with ELs Smith. Like ELs Smith is the only person that can do it in this way and make it really work. Yes. And when she gets there, she's like, so sorry I'm late.

She's uh, she knows French. She's doing her thing, but then she's also like, wow, so good to see you Diane. Oh my gosh, that dress is so elegant. And the judge [00:38:00] is like, hello, love it. What are we doing? And husband goes, okay, well I got one more witness to call and I wanna call Dietrich Klein. And everyone's like, Ooh, district Klein, the cyclist.

Like, what? What? I don't know. I dunno. We should do this. Lots of arguing, lots of stuff. And at this point, Elsbeth, who I'm sure would've done this the entire time, um, if she was there, but she does call for a vote by raise of hands so that we can see who's voting for what. And, um, the other two judges besides the French judge, vote for bringing the cyclist in.

So cli, Mr. Klein comes in, he's been, he was kicked outta cycling two years ago. He appealed. There was no evidence. So he was that. The, the ruling stayed. Funny thing about that is that the French judge was on that panel or was the guy who was arguing against him and basically wanted the Mr. Klein who is for Germany out so that the French guy could [00:39:00] come in this yet.

The French guy or the German guy? The German judge. Like what do you mean you weren't doing back and forth? Back and forth. Um, and the French judge is like, listen, the arbitration's confidential. And El was like, eh, not so fast. Gives it unless he waves it, which he did. Um, and so at the end of this will goes, I just realized something.

You are Rambo. Yeah, I talked to Ellsworth, like, yeah, Ellsworth is Rambo. Which I think, I think is a really apt, like weirdly, a really apt comparison. Just someone that like goes like. All out to whatever it is they need to do to, to, to win. Because that's what ELs Smith do. And this is a classic like ELLs Smith maneuver.

Yes. Like not even arguing legal precedent or anything like that. Like not, not like arguing facts. She's doing this based on people's feelings and based on like, put pitting people against each other because like the, the other two, like people on the [00:40:00] panel are basically just like mad at the French guy.

'cause the French guy pulled strings to get his cyclist to win because he got the other guy banned. And who happens to be a German cyclist? And we happen to have a German judge. And I think the other guy was an Egyptian judge. Italian? No, the, the first, the cyclists hearing took place in Egypt. But the other judge was Italian who also had eyes for Kalinda.

Oh yes. Because they made kalinda come in like, Kalinda, come on in, can you get the eye candy? Come on. We got Italian here, you know, they're hot, hot blooded. Uh, so yeah, I mean, Ellsworth does this by like just kind of, uh, manipulating people, I guess. I mean, yeah, they're turning against a French guy. Well, and I think if we look at this with the eyes of current Elsbeth, is this something because Elsbeth.

In 2005, Elsbeth Elsbeth on Elsbeth Show, um, talks about how she kind of regrets [00:41:00] how she manipulated people and she regrets how she does this, but I don't necessarily see this as malicious. No manipulation. I, I think the whole thing about the law is manipulation. Yeah. Like for your benefit. I, I don't think that applies here because she's, she's, I think in Elizabeth's mind, she's doing this for a good cause.

Yeah. I, I think it, I think if 2025 Elsbeth looked at 2014 Elizabeth's and she's like, okay, you did good there, Elizabeth, because you got, you did the right thi you did maybe a not great thing for a good reason. And I wouldn't even say it's like a not great thing. It's like she did something like.

Underhanded. She just appealed to people's. She played the room. She read the room, she played it. Yeah, exactly. And she also was so excited to be arrested. It was so funny. She was, she was so into it. And little did she know, she would, uh, it would happen again many years later and she would go to prison and have a, uh, a musical, a musical dream.

Oh, yes. Uh, okay. So those were our cases of the [00:42:00] week. We also had some movement in the campaign. Um, this entire episode opened while Alicia was having some thoughts, some unpure thoughts. I wasn't sure if this was a, like re like a reminiscence of an experience or she was like just daydreaming and was like thinking of something to happen.

I think it was, I think based on Peter later. I think this was a daydream of like something she wanted to happen. She wanted Sure. Yeah. Because she needed, she needed some, uh, satisfaction, if you will. She was really feeling it. She was really, well, I don't know where this came from. I just like, I dunno, either.

She really wanted some, like, I, but I'm not sure though, because Grace, we didn't do that. Huh? Women could, could do that. They could have, they could. Oh yeah. I everybody could do that. I know, I know. Yeah. Um, but like, and Grace walks into the kitchen, she's like, you know, mom, I really like your hair. Right? I like, I was like, is this like, [00:43:00] just got freshly ed hair?

Like what, what, what does she mean? Like, what is this? I, so I wasn't sure if this was something that just happened last night. Or she was having one of her. We have seen her daydream about will before in bed with some movements. Yeah. So maybe she was having one of those moments before breakfast. I know you wanted the man in the bed to be Will.

Sure did. Well it wasn't Peter because like I told you before, this wasn't a bed and not in the bathroom, so therefore it was not Peter. Yeah. So, you know, it was, she was having some, some thoughts. She was having some thoughts while making breakfast thoughts. What some breakfast. Uh, meanwhile over at the campaign office, Eli is introducing Jordan to the press.

So he's officially on board over there. And while he's doing that, um, he gets interrupted because Zach has a phone call for him. Oh, brother. Because Zach is the only person who could have figured this out. The only person who could have seen this, uh, Zach was on [00:44:00] a fricking encyclopedia brown man. The, the only computer, the only 16-year-old computer whiz that can, that can figure this thing out.

Not, not any other, uh, person that went to college for computer science working on the staff or anybody else that's chronically online only Zachary Florick, 16-year-old Zachary Florick could figure this out. Yeah. And this is basically that they linked to some like files. It's like basically like you took a Google Drive link and the Google Drive link was for anyone with the link, but they could be it.

Yeah. She accidentally left it Mani Hayward, Maddie Howard accidentally left. Is that Maddie Howard? Madi Hayward. Maddie Hayward. Right? I don't know, I, every time I see her, I still see her as Abby. Yeah. She accidentally left a file on her website that showed that Peter has some bias. Yeah. Basically, like they've been doing opposition research on him and that, um, you know, there's racial, racial bias here and there's two ASAs who are willing to come on the record.

And Eli is [00:45:00] like, okay. All right. Like, send me your, your screenshot. We'll see where this goes. Um, it looks as though there's like this event where the candidates are speaking to business owners, I think. Yeah. And, um, Maddie is giving her speech about how, you know, she's, she's a pure capitalist, she is a feminist.

She just wants business to happen with like women and minorities. Uh oh. And she sees how racial bias is an impediment to business. And you could see like. First of all, Jordan, AKA George, a k oh oh seven from Grey's Anatomy is like, where the hell did this come from? Yeah. Like, what's going up? And Eli didn't tell him, even though he probably could have and should have, right?

But that he uses this to his advantage to say like, oh, well we've got some insider information. There's two take two ASAs. Um, after this conversation, Maddie comes in and says, Hey, I wanna talk about the [00:46:00] debates to Peter. And Maddie wants four, but Eli says There's only one. And Eli speaks for Peter. So, and I love Maddie, like I say hello to Alicia for me.

Oh yeah. Yeah. So rough. So, Ooh, you dirty rotten scoundrel. So rough. So Eli, in, in front of Peter and Jordan, talk about the whole race bias thing and was like, where'd you get this from? Who? Zach Jordan's. Like, who? And then because it's Zach Peter's like, oh, okay, I'll, I think about it. I'll think about it.

I'll think about it. Well, I mean, and Jordan, Jordan does not want them to talk about this at all. Yes. He says Racist gab. Don't pick at it. Especially in 20 20, 20 12, I think that we were, even though Obama had promised a conversation about race, that did not go over well. Ooh, not. Yeah. 'cause and Eli wants to face it head on.

Yes. Jordan's like, don't even like pay it any attention. Let it go. Keep. So [00:47:00] that's, that's kind of the binary choice right now. Do we do call attention to it or do we ignore it? Yeah. In my notes, I wrote Peter and his infinite wisdom decides to talk to Geneva about how he's doing his job. This was this like Peter does so many stupid things.

Okay. But this. I don't know if it's my 2025 eyes or what, but I'm like, oh my God, this is the lawsuit waiting to happen. Like, I cannot believe this is a conversation that's actually happening. True, that's true. Um, I think Peter had this like thought of like, I'm not racially bias. Like, listen, I, I'll ask the black lady that I know if I'm racially biased and watch, watch this, y'all watch this.

She gonna say, I'm not Watch, watch Geneva. Geneva. Girl, girl. You probably like, girl, am I racially biased? And they'd be like, Geneva's like, yeah. People like, what, what, what, what do you mean I'm [00:48:00] racially biased and props a hundred percent to Geneva. Yes. Renee Goldberg, who's like, hell yeah, you racially biased.

Maji you fired and or fired slash demoted Five African Americans in the last like year. And she spells it out. She's like, you fired WSC, Wendy got car. Yep. You demoted, you demoted Dana. You Apparently she's still around. Apparently she's, she's walking around the building somewhere. We don't know. Um, what, what, what were they gonna have her do?

Uh, child support. Yes. Enforcement or something. Yeah. And you, and this was the kicker. She's like, you promoted Carrie who had like no experience. Yeah. Over me, Geneva and Matan, who have two decades more experience than Carrie. But because you like Carrie, for some reason, you decide to promote him. And, and Peter's so [00:49:00] defensible.

Mm-hmm. Defensive. He's like, but wait, the reason and Geneva's response is great. She's like, there's always reason. There's always reasons, but this is the outcome of the situation. And I just wanna say fellow white people. Um, do you see. The amount of work Geneva did in this conversation. Do you see the amount of work that she as a black woman did for a white man named Peter?

Do not ask your black friends. Do not ask the black people around you if you are racially biased and have them do the work for you. Look inside first. Ask yourself these questions. Be self aware and. Like, maybe ask if there's a specific example that could be considered racially biased or racial, like something like that.

But just the general question of like basically, Hey, am I a racist? Yeah. And, and can you, can you only imagine if, while she might even have some sort of inkling if Geneva knew about the conversations between Carrie and Peter? Yes. When Carrie had that, like when he admitted to Peter about him stripping Dana [00:50:00] while Dana was his like subordinate and how Peter's just like, ah, don't worry about it, bro.

I got you. Like, imagine like she even had more of a case. So I love how she's like, yeah, there's always, because I mean, yeah, Peter's like, Hey, like tho those were all firings and emotions that were warranted. She's like, yeah, there are always reasons, but it's about who you're listening to. Yeah. It's about whose opinion, whose thoughts you're taking into consideration.

You didn't give Dana. Or, I mean, listen, when's our car had Alpha his ass. But you, but you didn't give Dana a chance to even like, explain herself or explain her side of the story. You didn't let the guy that had sex in your, on your couch. Yep. Uh, talk You just fired them. But everyone else, you, you know, and she didn't even bring up the fact that he just walked into the room with, uh, Hellinger and gave her a job at the As a's office.

Yeah. All the recommendation of Alicia, you know, she didn't even go into that. There's so many things that we, we, as the audience know. Yeah. [00:51:00] Peter has done, and we've talked about Peter's like implicit bias before. How No, it's not explicit, but it is, it's very implicit. He doesn't, he, he, Peter, Peter was definitely the type of person that'd be like, but I don't see color.

That's the problem, bro. Yeah. You gotta see color. Well, and it's even more exemplified in the speech that he gives. Um, well, first of all, Geneva's like. You're doing all this and you're not going to go speak at the Minority Rights Coalition. Like this is a slap in the face to all of us who are there because we're doing all this work for you.

Like we're standing by you and you're not even gonna stand up for us. And so he gives his speech. Yeah. And he, oh, I, I did, I did wanna say, we talked about power dynamics last episode. Yes. With Carrie Clark. And Clark. And Clark. Clark. This was an even more extreme version of that because like Peter, the, the, they begin this conversation by Peter being like, Hey, we're just, you can tell he's very, like, he's trying to figure out how to do this.

You're like, he [00:52:00] tries to tiptoe into it. He is like, Hey, am I racially biased? And Geneva like, looks him this blank stare of like, I don't know what to do right now. Like, well, and then he's like. Don't worry. Hey, and these are like dangerous, the most dangerous words you could hear in any meeting, in any situation, there will be no repercussions.

You will not be persecuted for your response. You know who else was told that? The guy that had sex on Peter's couch? Yeah. Well, actually that's what Carrie said to that guy. Carrie was like, nothing's gonna happen. Carrie, by the way, totally absent from this episode. Okay. But I think like he's gonna come and keep, I can't remember, but he has that couch information.

He dunno, that's gonna come back up, but I don't know. But, but Kerry told the guy like, listen, nothing's gonna happen. Peter just wants to know. Okay. Like it's, you're not, you're not gonna get in trouble. Carrie knew his ass lie at that moment. Right? And, and like, and Janina was like, you can tell the look on Jean, like, should I say what I want to say right now?

Like she has to make that, that call, that decision. It's a very [00:53:00] pivotal decision in that book. Well, because if she tells the truth, she does not know what's gonna happen because yeah, Peter can say to these boo in the face, there'll be no repercussions. Well, and okay, there's the power dynamic of Boston employee.

There's the power, also the power dynamic of man and woman, and not only man and woman, but a man who has a history of doing things to women when they are alone with like, you know what I mean? Not, I just, it wasn't like, yeah, he, he just, he didn't, he wasn't homosexual, didn't say. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm just saying like, there is, there's a lot at play here.

There's a lot of different things going on. He's someone that's used to using his power in bad ways. Yeah. Well, and he's also like, I'm sure he went into this, like you said, thinking he was gonna be validated and reaffirmed. And the only way when, when a man like that, like Peter, the only thing he knows in terms of how to get himself out of that is through power, is through abusing power and all of that.

So that puts Geneva in a very dangerous situation. [00:54:00] Um, so I like how she said some things, but not all things. You know, like, I think she said enough. No, she, yeah, no, she said, she said enough, but she didn't, like she said more than she needed, she needed to say yes. She, she really took, she took a risk by doing and saying yes, what she did.

So I, and I'm, I'm proud of Geneva. I'm sure, I'm sure she really cares on what I think, but I, I'm proud of the fic fictional character of Geneva. Well, and she so like, rethink all your promotions and, and it's, this time I'm like, do not just promote Geneva right now. Like, just don't like, yes, but all, like, don't, like that's not what she's saying.

Like, you know what I mean? Like, he hears that from like the power side and he's gonna be like, oh, she's asking for something I'll fix. You know what I mean? I'll fix it by promoting the black lady. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Like, no, don't do it. Don't do it. Um, so he goes to give a speech at the Minority Rights Coalition.

It is very cringe with Jason. It's just, it's just so bad. Um, he says, I've made mistakes, but I wanna learn and my [00:55:00] office prosecutes more African Americans than any other race, and I wanna know why. And I'm like, bro, you're in charge. Mm. Like, this is, this is bad. And you can hear like, the audience is booing behind him and all of this stuff.

So I don't know what else he says, but you can only imagine what the rest of the speech was like based on those two sound clips that we got. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's giving, like, it's giving like, I want to be awoken. I wanna wake up. Like, I don't know. It, it, it gi it gives ingenuine really well, it gives not, it gives pandering a little bit.

He doesn't take responsibility for what he. True was wrong about, or what mistakes he made. He just makes a very blanket statement of like, I've made mistakes. Well Peter, we've all made mistakes. What mistakes are you specifically talking about? Show me that you have the self-awareness to know what was right and what was wrong in those situations.

And then don't say, I wanna [00:56:00] learn and put it on the Minority Rights Coalition to teach you how to learn how to do these things. You know what I mean? Like bad, bad, bad, bad. Again, we have much different eyes than we did in 2012, but it's still very cringey. And then, and then put it on Obama to be like Obama said, we haven't discussed about racist country and we've never had it.

Like that's not Obama's fault. Like he tried. He also, he tried and you guys messed it up, but any who, you guys being white men specifically. Yes. And while this is going on, Maddie is pressuring, Eli is like, okay, three debates. Like three debates and Eli's like, if you give us two town halls, we'll give you two debates or three debates.

And Jordan is there like hold that his hand ready to shake on three. Then he hears all this stuff about Yeah, that, that Peter is saying while he is giving a speech. And he tells Eli, he is like, look, I don't like to make trouble but there are sometimes when you should just listen to me 'cause I know what I'm doing [00:57:00] and.

Yeah. Jordan's trying to really kind of like strong arm his way into power here. You know? I was like, no, no, no. Jordan does not speak for me. He not speak for the campaign. Relax. And Maddie, who, who? Maddie's smart because Maddie's, like, I know if I get this idiot, Peter Fluk on a, uh, on a debate stage for sure.

She's, he's gonna to put his foot in his mouth a minimum of five times. Like you just did. Like, listen, just, she's like, she hears, she's like, how about five debates? How on eight, like, I wanna get this guy on his back foot to like, to really get his ass, like, you know, speaking some dumb stuff. So, and I think because Maggie's like, yeah, like gimme all the debates.

And he was like, no, no, no, no, no. I know my guy. We're getting one debate. You only get one shot of that apple. Yeah. Yeah. So after the speech, yeah. Your favorite part? Here we comes, let's go. Oh, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For. Peter goes back to [00:58:00] apparently the trailer that was set up for him, I was like, there's no bus.

It was like a trailer. Definitely if I'm a sound stage, they couldn't find a bus. This is what I'm thinking. But anyway, um, and Alicia's there and, um, Alicia's there eyes. Yeah. She's like, Peter's like, Hey, you wanna bite? And she's like, I wanna bite to something. And so things happen and Eli is outside knocking on the door, Hey, hey, Peter says, I need a minute.

And Alicia's like a minute, he goes A campaign minute. And then there's a lot of rocking and rolling. Woo, buddy. Alicia. Alicia had a mission and she needed it completed. Okay? Yes. Yeah, she had a, she had a ink, she had a urge and she needed that urge to be fulfilled. I don't know if that, if that bathroom rendezvous at Thanksgiving really set something off for her, but, Hmm.

She is. Yeah. She, she don't know how to do sex in [00:59:00] sanitary places anymore. She only does it on, she does on toilets. She does it on buses. Like bad. It needs to be dirty for Alicia to be fulfilled. Oh. Well, that could be psychoanalyzed, I'm sure. Um, however, at the end of this, like Alicia, yeah. I don't know if you're gonna race, like, talk about the fact like, Alicia leaves the bus.

She is, well, she, well, first of all, she comes out of this and she's like, fine. Peter is like exhausted, like beyond, uh, like he, like he, his mind was blown, okay. And she's like, yeah, okay, I'm gonna go now. And he's like, don't she need any water? She's like, I guess fine. I, I'll take it. He's like, Peter is confused because yes, Alicia is in all her glor, like Alicia is in her like boss.

Boss babe, like energy right now. She's just like, yeah, we just had sex. I did that damn thing. And I'm about to, I'm about to take, I'm about to take the walk of glory. It's not a walk of shame, it's a walk of glory. She's like, I'm about to [01:00:00] do the day. And Peter's like, so like, should we talk about like, what's going on?

He's like, no, I'm good. I just need, I need get my rocks off. I'm good. Like, I don't know, I don't know what your problem is, but I'm good. So whatever. And people's like, okay, alright. I'm not, I'm not gonna push it. I'm not gonna, like, I'm not gonna keep, keep asking myself. I'm not gonna mess up a good thing.

Yeah. Like, and Alicia, Alicia just like leaves and Eli's just stand there. He is like, what's happening? She's like, tilt. Mind me, just the wife and I gotta tell you again, like last episode, we cataloged like Eli's worst day, like this day. Also not great for him because he, like, he sees her walk out and then like turns around and he's like.

What, but, uh, it could have been so much worse for Eli because that could been, it could have been, it could've been anything going on in that bus and whoever walked like, thank God it was Alicia. Like, thank God. Yeah. Yeah. It was just Alicia that walked out after all he heard when he was outside the bus.

Yes. Thank God. It's got, could be none. Some other scandal. It, it's Alicia, and just the way, just the, just a sachet that Alicia had as she's like, walking [01:01:00] away from you. Like, bye light. Just bye bye. Like just as satisfied and like as happy as can be. Walk of walk, walk of glory. Not walk shame, but walk of glory.

No. Yes. Agreed. Agreed. So good. I wish we would've got more, like I, no one needs justification, but I wish we would've got like some more motivation. What, what, what is setting Alicia off here, I wonder if we're gonna see that explored in upcoming episodes. Like, I feel like she felt good. Good. That she got one over on loose canning, even though.

The whole thing, like she's confident, she's running high, she like, she can't run to will. Like she, she would. Um, so yeah, we didn't talk anything about that. Like there's nothing, like, there's no one offs. There was no bankruptcy chat in this one for sure. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, Eli Jordan and Peter debrief about the speech in the trailer slash bus, and they're like, what's that smell?

So I was like, it smells [01:02:00] like sex. They all know, they all know, like, you cannot hide that. Like you just, why smell ass in here?

The song this.

Why does the refrigerator door have a butt dead in it? Okay. Alright. Okay. Uh, yes. So Eli, Eli is taking this, it's like, Hey, the process is gonna love this. You showed strength, you did all this stuff. Peter's, you're so brave. If those ASAs come outta the woodworks, like they're gonna go down. And Jordan is like, yeah, way to win by pissing off minorities.

Like, this is great. And this is where we see like either, like this is where Eli's mind is, I think at this moment. He's like, I don't care how I win. A win is a win. And Jordan hears this and he like [01:03:00] walks out but gives Peter a look and Peter's like, listen, go easy on this guy. We're gonna need him 'cause I know you're getting investigated.

Um, and I think that was kind of like. I, I hope, I hope, I mean, I know Eli wants to win no matter what, but I hope that that was like, oh, maybe I am trying, maybe I'm in too deep, like maybe I need to focus on not getting investigated by the feds so that I can then be a better campaign manager, because I did not like this version of Eli in the, in the bus.

She goes, this is your sister soldier moment. I was like, not sister, soldier. I also wondered, I also wondered if this was e this is Eli thinking, like, I mean, maybe Peter's not writing for me like, like I thought he would be. 'cause yeah, Peter's like, listen bro, if you go down, I need somebody else. Like, he, well, he wasn't like, well, we'll get you this Eli, we'll, we'll, we'll fix this.

He's like, I mean, listen, you go down. Somebody's gotta be here as in like, you could go down and I, I will distance myself from you if you go down. Well, the [01:04:00] thing is, is that Peter is a lot like Eli and he will win at any costs. He doesn't care if Eli is. There or not like he does, but he doesn't, he does as far as it will benefit him, because he's Peter effing florick.

Uh, not that I literally, this episode, Peter was, that's,

so Eli goes back to locker gardener. Everyone's there having some champagne celebrating SBAs release and or, and win of the arbitration and everything. Um, she is just like thanking her friends. Like, it's so nice that everyone's here. Eli's there, Alicia comes out and is like, Hey, what's going on? And Alicia, who always has to make it about her, she's like, yeah, you must be here for me.

Eli. Like, no, I'm not here for you. Uh, but you do know I'm being investigated. And she goes, yeah, and you do know that I'm being edged outta the campaign. She's like, no, I did not know about that. Did she seem really concerned? Like [01:05:00] I was just like, oh my God, my friend is being, uh. It's being Ed Outta of the camp.

I was like, oh, okay. It's nice. Sweet moment between two. Yeah. Oh Eli, I'm sorry for hear that. I'm like, oh, whatever. And he's like, and you know, you guys can't represent me anymore because you're also being investigated. She's like, yeah, I did hear that. And so she is Aliya. Eli's like, so I'm gonna need a lawyer.

Sbe got a minute. Yes. Which means we will be having more Elsbeth in our lives. Yes. This season. Love it. Love it, love it. I'm glad we got SBA back. I think this is the first time in season four we've, or season four. We've seen her. So down for I'm, so who else do we, do I need to see this se Have you seen, we have, have you seen Colin Sweeney this season?

No. Not with Colin Sweeney. He's from Colin Sweeney in my life. I need some, uh, I need some, Kurt. Where's Kurt? I was open that day and be like, oh, we need, yeah, I'm going Ken with Kurt this weekend. Will, yeah. Or like, [01:06:00] yeah. I mean, I guess Gary Cole. Was Gary Cole on Veep at this time? Was he weeping? Possibly.

Possibly. Very possibly. Or West Wing in No, he was weeping. He re like, there was a moment where Gary Cole, I think was on every show on television. Yeah. I mean, listen, he's on the number one hit show now nowadays, which is for some reason always NCIS. He is a lead guy over there now, taking over for the other old guy Oh, who was also on the West Wing.

Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, Gary Cole's having a fine life right now. Okay. Live it up gear. Live it up. Live it up. So yeah, more elsworth to come. I'm sure. Intrigued to see everything's gonna go down with, uh, the campaign. That's all gonna go. We'd love to see more Peter in our lives. Right. Mea? Mm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I mean, I love to see Peter being held accountable for racial bias.

I love it. I love that. That was, and that was a convers, that was a conversation that has, that's been coming for a long time. We've been kind like, it's been simmering, but now I feel like it's getting. It's, it's ramping up a little bit. Yeah. This was an interesting [01:07:00] episode where it feels like it could have been like, dropped in anywhere, right?

Like Yes. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. Like it didn't really mention any of the other stuff that was going on besides the campaign. The campaign's really like the only thing, but even within the campaign, the only thing that tied it to the episode before that was Jordan. True. Yeah. We still have any of the, of the firm, like things that were going on, like about the debt, about Louis Canning.

We don't know. We still don't know what happened to, uh, Nick. We don't know where that guy is. We don't need to know. It's fine. I mean, we never need to know. We can just assume things. Yes. Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna assume Glenn did something, but I don't know. Never know. Um, uh, Marissa, you wanna tell the people where they could find you?

You can find me first of all here on the Good Pod with you, Jason. You can find links to both our YouTube and our audio version over at it's me marissa g.com. You can also find a link to my conversations over on World Whirlwind Podcast where I'm watching Pretty Little Liars one [01:08:00] previously on at a time.

And my sister and I are watching Star Trek, the Next Generation for the first time over on US sisterhood. So that is where you can find me, Jason, what's going on with you? Uh, you can find me on the Perfect Match Podcast. We are on Patreon right now. We're getting ready to do start up our rewatch of Season 10 Married at First Sight.

One of the, uh, golden seasons of that show. Me and Asia Welch are ramping up our Patreon content. So come on over to Patreon to the Perfect Match Podcast and check us out if that is something that you are into. Uh, that's me, that's Marissa. That's this episode. Until next time, stay good.

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