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A podcast from Bright Wall/Dark Room, engaging with the business of being alive, one movie at a time. Hosted by Chad Perman & Elizabeth Cantwell.
Chad (00:24)
Hello and welcome to the Bright Wall Dark Room podcast. I'm Chad Perman.
Elizabeth Cantwell (00:28)
And I'm Elizabeth Cantwell.
Chad (00:29)
And Elizabeth, how are you doing this month?
Elizabeth Cantwell (00:32)
I'm doing good, Chad.
I'm excited to talk to you today about a Sam Neill movie in honor of of one of I he was like such a wonderful actor and we lost him too soon. Yeah. So
Chad (00:42)
He was a wonderful human, it seemed like too, yeah. F and this is f famously
the movie he's most known for. Yes. So
Elizabeth Cantwell (00:49)
Exactly. The the most known Sam Neill movie.
Chris (00:50)
Ha ha
Chad (00:53)
many tributes to this movie came out when he passed, unfortunately.
Elizabeth Cantwell (00:55)
Ha ha ha ha.
Chad (00:57)
But yeah, what a guy, even looking through his Instagram stuff. He just he seemed like he really had it figured out. I thought it was sheep. Okay. He had an there's animals. Okay. We we could deep
Elizabeth Cantwell (01:02)
I mean he had pigs. He had meadows. I think there's some pigs. I think there were some pigs.
Chad (01:10)
dive on that later. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (01:11)
yeah, we can look it up. But yeah, no, I'm doing pretty good.
Chad (01:12)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (01:14)
I'm about to go back to work next week. I have my computer
stacked on multiple books right now that I have been using to.
Prepare for yet
another school year.
Chad (01:25)
Yes, and a new philosophy to you preparing your curriculum, which I thought was really good, by the way. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (01:29)
Yeah, thank you.
Chad (01:32)
And the guest is very far away in your own house because you are related
Elizabeth Cantwell (01:36)
That's correct.
Chad (01:37)
to him and
He goes back with Bright Wall Dark Room all the way back to the Tumblr days in 2009 or ten. I mean maybe he wrote the first thing for us when he was just a a USC film school graduate looking to get his career launched and now he's a
very successful screenwriter, showrunner, movie director, all kinds of things, and also Elizabeth's husband, who I finally got to meet in person just about a month ago.
Welcome to the show, Chris or Christopher Cantwell.
Chris (02:05)
I'll go with Chris today. Thanks for having me. Thanks for having me. Yeah. It's good to see you too.
Chad (02:07)
All right, Chris. Yes, absolutely. Good to see you again.
Chris (02:11)
And it was great to see you in person for the first time. It felt like that was way too long to not see each other in person. But then
Chad (02:17)
Yeah.
Chris (02:19)
but then we got to do that and eat tons of pizza. It was great. It was some I had a I think I had a flight of beer, didn't I? Yeah, beer flight. Well book b book me a flight of beer.
Chad (02:23)
Lots of good pizza. A little a little you had a little beer sampler, yeah, whatever they call those things. Yeah, beer flight.
Chris (02:34)
Yeah. No, that was fun. Yeah.
Chad (02:35)
Yeah. Yeah.
And but I've never actually done a podcast with you. You and Elizabeth did one like a decade ago on the graduate. In that one she had seen no, you had seen the movie, she hadn't. In this case, none of us had seen this movie until this week.
Elizabeth Cantwell (02:50)
No, Chris actually had seen it. I
Chris (02:51)
No, I've s I've seen
Elizabeth Cantwell (02:52)
was wrong. I was wrong. Chris saw it.
Chris (02:52)
it. I've seen sorry, sorry.
I've seen it I've seen it approximately one million times. Is that bad?
Elizabeth Cantwell (02:59)
And I think that that
Chad (03:01)
so way more than zero.
Chris (03:02)
Yeah, is that dis am I disqualified from the podcast? I'll just sign I just sign off.
Chad (03:05)
Yeah, can you we gotta get another guess.
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:07)
I have
Albie
Chad (03:09)
My whole my whole framework
was set up around Way, what do we think the first time? All those questions are gone. all right. Yeah.
Chris (03:13)
Suck.
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:13)
Our dog Albie watched it with us so he could always he could always give his opinion. It was his first time.
Chris (03:18)
Yeah, it'll just be silent.
His
opinion will be like, I'm fifteen, why am I still alive? Like that'll be his opinion.
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:26)
Ha ha ha.
Wait, so we
didn't say what the movie was yet, did we? It's Sam Neil's
Chris (03:31)
shoot, yeah.
Chad (03:31)
Well it's it's Sam it's Sam Neil's famous movie,
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:35)
famous movie.
Chad (03:36)
The Hunt for Red October.
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:41)
The Hunt for Red October, which was a great movie.
Chad (03:43)
Yes
it was.
Chris (03:47)
Do you really
believe that, Elizabeth?
Elizabeth Cantwell (03:48)
I gave it three and a half stars on Letterboxed. Five. But that's okay. That's pretty good. That's good. I enjoyed it. I I enjoyed I enjoyed
Chris (03:51)
Out of how many? Five or four? Well can you s is that is that great? Is that great in your mind or is that good? So you s great. Yeah.
Chad (03:53)
Yeah. I gave it three and a half as well.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:03)
the film. we can talk about our experience of watching it together and
Chris (04:09)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:09)
you getting frustrated with my watching the movie.
Chris (04:13)
Well that's
yeah, that's not specific to Hun for Red October, but I think that it definitely happened with this film. This film is a yeah. This is
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:19)
Ha ha
Chris (04:22)
a a puzzle piece of a film. But you have been I feel like you've been on me to wanna watch this for like over a year.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:28)
I have. I cause it was on
Chad (04:29)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:30)
my radar as like a an action thriller-ish film that I hadn't seen. It's McTiernan, who did one of my favorite
Chad (04:38)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:39)
movies of all time, Die Hard.
Chris (04:41)
It's
like the movie did right after Die Hard, yeah.
Chad (04:43)
And
he did Predator. Didn't he do Predator before? Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:44)
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
Chris (04:46)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (04:47)
I also love Predator. and I feel like this movie, and Chad, you mentioned something about this
before we recorded, but this movie does have like a lot of love for it online. There's a lot of people who I mean, I
Chad (04:58)
yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (05:00)
guess the people who love it online probably love it in real life as well. But
Chad (05:04)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (05:04)
there is like a very big hunt for Red October fan base, I think.
Chad (05:09)
Yes.
Chris (05:09)
Wi the Wiki the Wiki fandom page for Hunt for Red October.
Chad (05:13)
It's poppin'. Yeah. but and
Chris (05:14)
Yeah, it's just solid.
Elizabeth Cantwell (05:15)
Yeah.
Chad (05:15)
and Sarah wrote a piece for us, it was when the frames issue, so she just wrote about a single frame of it. But I know she's a big fan of as well. I know a lot of people that really love it. it's slotted into that really weird area in my life where 'cause we talked about Terminator Two a little bit ago, this was like
A year before, so I was not seeing rated R movies yet still because of my parents and religion and stuff. I don't even know if this one is rated R, but it probably is, right?
Chris (05:39)
It's I think it's a PG thirteen.
Elizabeth Cantwell (05:39)
I feel like it's a PG thirteen.
Chad (05:42)
yeah, yeah, they might have thought it would be too intense. Anyway, it it slotted into this Sean Connery drops a lot of F bombs. Yeah. I'm not
Chris (05:45)
I don't think anybody's yelling that the F word in the submarines too much. No. Just just through the whole thing.
Elizabeth Cantwell (05:48)
No.
Does no, I he doesn't. I mean maybe.
Chad (05:56)
fucking doing that.
Chris (05:59)
I need to fucking
defect.
Chad (06:00)
Yeah.
Chris (06:02)
Yeah.
Chad (06:02)
And I as everyone could probably hear, I am asthma voice compromised because of the wonderful wild wildfires blown through Washington. So just putting that out there in case anyone wondered if I'm massively sick or something. I'm not, I am just voice compromised So Yeah, that's how you say it now. Yeah, and voice compromised. No, I no, I literally just made that up. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (06:17)
I like that term voice compromised. That's good. I've never heard that. I like it. I was gonna believe
Chris (06:19)
I am voice compromised, yeah.
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (06:26)
you.
Chad (06:27)
It's la
it's called laryngitis.
Chris (06:29)
Learn learn ginjin I just
Chad (06:32)
Yeah. Yeah. So I just want to say at the top, because Elizabeth and I did talk about this, she kind of clued me into like, I'm kinda lost in this movie when you'd only seen half of it. And I also felt frequently lost in this movie, though it didn't in any way impede my enjoyment of it, which was an interesting experience.
Chris (06:49)
Yeah.
Chad (06:50)
so I I just wanted to talk a little bit about how.
This is a very complicated movie that somehow is still very enjoyable. And if you don't catch everything or know a lot about nautical language, it's still it's still pretty easy to follow the basic beats. But I I was just curious what you guys think. I mean, it was it felt like I was so confused at times about what was going on.
Chris (07:09)
I it's been a minute since I've seen it. I don't think I've seen it all the way through for more than twenty years, but I I know it well enough to like there are the like the quotable moments of it. But even watching it, I was like, hold on, we gotta catch up to like how this unfolds. Cause that I was actually counting it yesterday with a colleague of mine at work that like there's three submarines, there's an aircraft carrier
There's a destroyer that you're not really like a in.
There's some helicopter
stuff. Like there's a lot of craft and crew. And then it's on top of that, like a puzzle box movie in terms of who knows what when and like the and then there's like the ticking clock of it all. And
Chad (07:52)
Yeah.
Chris (07:52)
you know, it's like you I feel like there are moments where you you can s that like the movie sits down and goes, Okay, so and like but there's like
Four of those, five, right? And then which is like enough. Yeah, but like, and you get a lot of it through Jack
Chad (08:04)
Yeah, there's there's not a lot of here's the exposition. Yeah.
Chris (08:09)
Ryan, who's like, this is what I think. And he's like, what I was thinking also about is like how Jack Ryan is always right in the film. Like he's he's never wrong. Like he's
Chad (08:16)
Yeah. No.
Chris (08:18)
he's just like bottom of the food chain. So it's like rather than it being, here's the theory, is it true or not? It's like Jack Ryan has the answer, and then
Chad (08:26)
Yeah.
Chris (08:27)
how fast can he convince?
other people that he's right before like everybody dies and World War Three starts.
Elizabeth Cantwell (08:34)
Yeah. I well I read a so I read a r the Roger Ebert review of the movie and in that
Chad (08:41)
where he says blockheads.
Did you get to that? The line where he says blockheads? It's great.
Elizabeth Cantwell (08:44)
Yes.
but he was I believe it's in that review he was saying, like, even though it's super complicated, you never get lost. And I was like, I th and I said this to Chad, I worry that I have been that my brain is just a little bit fried by contemporary media where
I've
Chad (09:06)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (09:06)
lost the ability to comprehend complicated storylines because
Chad (09:10)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (09:11)
everything we watch nowadays, the people are like just basically I won't say everything, but many things the people
Chad (09:17)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (09:18)
in the in the movie or the show are basically narrating what they're doing, right? Where it's like
Chris (09:22)
Yeah, exact
or like there's the character who go like within two seconds is like, Well, he clearly murdered him because of this motive, and does everybody understand that? Especially you in the back, you know, and it's like, okay, yeah, but this Yeah. It's like extre and
Elizabeth Cantwell (09:32)
Right. I'll repeat this again as you're scrolling on your phone.
Chad (09:35)
Yeah.
Chris (09:41)
this is like an extremely
expensive movie that just goes like, Hey, you know, like catch up. And I I did read
Chad (09:47)
Yeah.
Chris (09:47)
that like the I read about the development of this where like
Clancy's book was optioned when it was still in galleys. But then several studios, even back then in like mid 80s, were like, man, it's like this labyrinthine thing. And so we we don't know
Chad (10:02)
Yeah.
Chris (10:04)
how to do this on film. And then finally, some like they were like, well, okay, we're gonna do it. But even then, it was like, well, this is this is kind of challenging, like to make sure that this comes across in terms of
of what's happening and who's happening and and then they you know
that goes into like how they light and production design each sub. Yep, all this like the subs and like yeah,
chrome and different subs and like gray interiors for the US sub and things like that, like more blue and soft tungsten.
Chad (10:31)
But blue for
the red October was w I mean, come on, what are we doing?
Chris (10:34)
That was that was strange. But then also it's like it's very
dark and then Stelen Skarsgard's Tupilov's sub is like super cramped to make you feel like, it's an older school Soviet sub where it's like we're all on top of each other smoking cigarettes, trying
Chad (10:50)
Yeah.
Chris (10:50)
to kill Sean Connery. You know, like it's yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (10:53)
I mean, I
will say I really appreciate that attention to detail to help you help the viewer understand where they are. It did not always work for me,
Chris (11:01)
Mm-hmm.
Chad (11:02)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:02)
because a lot of submarines in my mind just read like, here's another submarine. Like it took me a minute to figure out that there were two Russian submarines. I was like, I was struggling
Chad (11:12)
I d I did hear about that from you, yes.
Chris (11:13)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:14)
with that a little bit. And then at one point I did also get confused about what the Red October was.
Chad (11:23)
What do you mean what it was? It was
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:21)
Where where well like I I thought so
Chris (11:22)
And I think it's like it's and it's like you
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:27)
when like Jack Ryan I mean I in the beginning of the film I just assumed that Sean Connery is on the Red October because you're like, well, okay, it's the hunt for Red October and you have Sean Connery.
Chris (11:37)
Can I just jump in and say that's a great assumption?
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:39)
Well, that's what I assumed. And then
Chad (11:40)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:42)
I started to question myself because there were many.
Chris (11:44)
Always a bad idea. Don't do that.
Chad (11:44)
Mm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:47)
There were many vehicles and then Alec Baldwin
Chris (11:49)
Many vehicles. That's the hyphen. Huntford, October,
Chad (11:51)
Yeah.
Chris (11:54)
colon. Many vehicles.
Elizabeth Cantwell (11:55)
There
were and then he goes into like Baldwin goes into this like hangar where they're working on a new submarine and I thought, this this is the Red October. And so I turned to Chris and I said, so Sean Connery's not on the Red October. And
Chris (12:11)
That was twenty minutes into the movie and I
had to pa I had to pause it and be like, Yes, he is like that.
Elizabeth Cantwell (12:16)
Ha ha ha ha.
Chris (12:17)
Because it is it is like it's you know, you gotta you gotta pay attention. But it's like
Chad (12:20)
It's an important plot point, yeah.
Chris (12:22)
Ryan's got so Ryan starts in London and Yes. Yes. Because
Elizabeth Cantwell (12:26)
Is this the first Jack Ryan movie? Okay. Yeah.
Chris (12:30)
it's the first Jack Ryan book, right? Right, Roger? I th I think it is.
Chad (12:31)
And they yeah, they wanted Harris I don't know that.
Elizabeth Cantwell (12:33)
It's interesting. Well, it's interesting to me.
I'm the I don't wanna hop around too much, but I was just gonna say it's interesting to me that the first Jack Ryan movie, they have an actor who doesn't stay Jack Ryan.
Chris (12:44)
Well and there's different he yeah.
Chad (12:45)
Yeah, because yeah, there's theories. But the main
theory is Harrison Ford's like, Yeah, okay, I'll do it now. 'Cause they wanted him for this one.
Chris (12:52)
they offered
it to him first. hold on, I'm looking up what is the first Jack Ryan book. But he's he's a he writes history books for the CIA
but that I feel like that harkens back. You and I talked about this to Redford's character in Three Days of the Condor, where it's like,
Our job is to
Chad (13:09)
Mm.
Chris (13:09)
read books for the CIA, right? Like and then, you know, they you know, as I exa somebody's somebody's out there like
Chad (13:13)
Someone must be writing them.
Chris (13:16)
doing history books for the but I I thought that like yeah, like he Harrison Ford said he'll do it now, but also like wasn't like Baldwin asked for more money or something, or or was also maybe problematic or so and they were like, nah.
Chad (13:27)
Yeah. No, I I
mean I this is just what I saw on a you know, some YouTube thing online, but but yeah, it did say that he basically said, well, I kinda want I mean for many as much as it's Sam Neil's movie, it's mainly Sean Connery's movie. But it's definitely no one says it's Alec Baldwin's movie, so you know, which he was aware of at the time, but for going into the next one apparently he wanted
top line money, I all this stuff. They're like, cool. If we're gonna pay that money, Harrison Ford said he'll do it and we're just gonna pay Harrison Ford to do it. So that I mean that that's what I that's what I heard. I can't No, he was a good Jack Ryan.
Chris (13:58)
interesting. So they just cut him out. I don't think he was wrong to ask for that, because I feel like that character is the unifying
principle of it. He was a
Elizabeth Cantwell (14:07)
I think he
did a good job.
Chad (14:08)
And then his
career kinda turned as he started being the main role 'cause the main roles he would do were not as good as the other movies he was doing. So it
Chris (14:13)
Yeah, and and he's also like a a kind of weird guy. So it's like th
we talked about this away, it's like his these people who are cursed with leading man looks but are very eccentric and like idiosyncratic in their performances. Like Alec
Chad (14:26)
Yeah.
Chris (14:27)
Baldwin is one, John Hamm is one, where like an I think c it's not a
Chad (14:30)
Yeah.
Chris (14:31)
coincidence they're both on thirty rock playing insane characters.
Chad (14:33)
Yeah.
Chris (14:34)
Like it's like that
Elizabeth Cantwell (14:35)
Yeah.
Chris (14:35)
kind of person where you're like, well, actually, I like it when they're over here doing
something
super bizarre like in the departed or s you know, like but but no, Elit so Elizabeth and I were watching it and it's like, you know, Ryan's in London and he's gotta fly to the
Elizabeth Cantwell (14:51)
They were in London?
Chris (14:52)
at the beginning that's where he lives with his family.
Elizabeth Cantwell (14:54)
I had no I this is literally. I am learning this for
the first time.
Chris (14:58)
He's stationed in Europe and and intel comes about this new sub that has the special doors. He doesn't know what they are. He goes to James Earl
Elizabeth Cantwell (15:04)
Yeah, I got
Chris (15:05)
Jones. James Earl Jones says, okay, figure this out. He's like, I'm gonna talk to this guy that builds submarines, Jeffrey Jones, and he's gonna look at him. And so he goes to the submarine factory, and that's where Elizabeth was like,
What? You know, like that, that's the red ox. And I was like, why if
Elizabeth Cantwell (15:24)
I got confused. I thought that was
the red October.
Chris (15:26)
If the Red
October was if the Red October was so secret that they have spies taking dark, grainy black and
white pictures that Jack Ryan then has to go to that place where the pictures were taken and be like, Hey guys, this film didn't turn out great. What are those
Chad (15:42)
Yeah.
Chris (15:43)
doors? You took bad photos. The movie would have been over right away. So like but no, it was like that you don't even and I will say, so that's the unofficial fourth submarine in the movie because you don't even know what
Chad (15:54)
Yeah.
Chris (15:54)
submarine
that is.
But they're building another one. And Jeffrey Jones is is that guy. He's the engineer and he's able to look at it. But yeah, but Sean Connery's just he's at the on the top of the Red October at the beginning. And then he's just in the Red October until the end.
Elizabeth Cantwell (16:08)
Is there do we know how many submarines there are in the ocean at any given time?
Chris (16:14)
Well it in the movie it says that there are hundred
Chad (16:16)
Are we like the general
we?
Elizabeth Cantwell (16:17)
Yeah, like people.
Chris (16:19)
They say that in the movie they say, and it's supposed to take place in nineteen eighty-four, they there are a hundred and eighty-three Soviet vessels heading into the Atlantic to chase the Red October. So that's a that's a shitload. But I mean, if they can be if
Elizabeth Cantwell (16:28)
But that's not a usual number. That's that's a high number.
Chris (16:33)
they could be deployed within a few hours, I would imagine it's probably something like that. Although that was the height of the Cold War, so maybe it's less.
Chad (16:39)
Yeah.
Chris (16:40)
But I think like
Elizabeth Cantwell (16:40)
Yeah.
Chris (16:41)
our military is all over the place, so maybe it's less on our end, but like I feel like we'd
Elizabeth Cantwell (16:45)
I just feel like
submarines are like not really like it seems like something that doesn't really happen that much. Yeah. Yeah.
Chris (16:52)
Submarines This is where
Chad (16:53)
Submarine submarines
don't happen very much.
Chris (16:55)
I I think there are a
lot of nuclear powered submarines still in operation off of various coasts,
Chad (16:58)
Yeah, I would believe so.
Chris (17:00)
including ours.
Chad (17:01)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (17:02)
Okay.
Chad (17:02)
That's my understanding too, but
Chris (17:03)
I would I think that's how it is. And they all have nuclear warheads and nuclear engines and
Chad (17:09)
Well and also but I was also reading
about like the years that they spend down there and like they they change the lights in like the cabin throughout the day so that otherwise people go crazy because they
Chris (17:19)
Right.
Chad (17:20)
ca it all seems like the same time all the time. And like I was just and you have to
Chris (17:22)
Right, it's like a Vegas casino.
Chad (17:24)
pass all these like t yeah, and you have to pass all these tests just to be able I mean, obviously I I I thought about it for two seconds. I like, Yeah, that's not any different than being in outer space. You need to be pretty sound, mentally to be able to handle that. But
Chris (17:36)
Yeah,
I feel like you immediately get down to a thousand feet and you're like, I I can not open the door You know, like you're just
Chad (17:40)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (17:42)
Well that
did it did bother me in the Yeah.
Chad (17:44)
Yeah, I got claustrophobic on the type on
Chris (17:46)
Yeah.
Chad (17:46)
the S Skarsgard sub.
Chris (17:48)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (17:48)
In the
movie I kept thinking like I feel like they should make submarines with windows. Like that
Chad (17:53)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (17:54)
would have solved so many problems in the movie. If you could just have windows. They have those
Chad (17:56)
And there might have there might have been some.
Chris (17:59)
Well so so c
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:01)
little tiny, like they have little tiny slots like at the top.
Chris (18:03)
Yeah, Ramius has
has a window in his bunk, but it's a circ
Chad (18:07)
Yeah.
Chris (18:07)
little port.
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:07)
But it's
and it's like barred. Doesn't it have like
Chris (18:10)
Well, because it's so
thick, what do you want? Like do you want the Nemo submarine from Disneyland where it's like,
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:13)
I want like a nice yes. I want like a nice
Chad (18:15)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:18)
like it feels like an opportunity to be able yes.
Chris (18:20)
Like an observation deck where you could go out and
But I don't think they make glass that reinforced for pressure, right? Where like they build that observation
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:27)
I that usual.
Chris (18:30)
deck and then the sub goes down and it just immediately implodes and all the people are killed.
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:33)
I mean, we should be working we
should be working on that.
Chad (18:35)
No, we are
definitely giving the people what they want on the Hunt for October podcast.
Chris (18:42)
The hunt for an October has no windows.
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:47)
This is what the people want.
Chris (18:49)
What a miserable existence,
Elizabeth Cantwell (18:52)
No, but I think it's this does relate to the movie because
at first they think Sean Connery what's his name again? Ramius?
Chris (18:59)
Captain Ramius.
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:01)
is that a real Russian name? I don't know about that. Yeah. All right.
Chris (19:03)
Ramius?
Chad (19:06)
but he
wasn't remember he wasn't Russian, he was from Lithu wasn't Lithuania. Yeah. And also
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:09)
right, that's right, okay, much better.
Chris (19:09)
He was born in Lithuania but raised in the Soviet Union, but Lithuania was part the Soviet Union.
Chad (19:13)
uses the Sean Connery Scottish accent, so it's it's a fascinating character. I know. What's the Armageddon?
Chris (19:15)
Well, because they do that cool trick I like where they I love that they so when they
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:15)
Yeah.
Okay, wait, don't jump there yet. Don't jump
there. I was saying
Chris (19:21)
Okay
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:22)
I was saying it the going
insane thing is relevant because at first the crew or the other people think that he's just like lost his mind. Because I guess that must be pretty frequent, right? Where you're like, our
Chris (19:33)
I would hope not.
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:34)
captain is now insane. Like, and this is Yeah, like twenty percent probably.
Chris (19:36)
I d you like one in five submarines. No, I don't think it's that
they don't give one in five insane captains nuclear missiles.
Chad (19:46)
no.
Chris (19:46)
They don't do that where like, lost another one. Should have put the windows in.
Chad (19:49)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (19:50)
Damn, we we keep gotta f we gotta figure out these windows.
Elizabeth Cantwell (19:53)
That's what I'm saying. Okay. we can go back to the movie though,
Chad (19:55)
Well he had a window.
Chris (19:58)
Yeah, well you're right, Ramius had a window, so they're like, How could he go insane? We gave him a window.
Elizabeth Cantwell (20:04)
it wasn't a very good window. It was
not a good window.
Chris (20:07)
I thought it was nice. I thought it was elegant.
Chad (20:09)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (20:09)
I think it could have been better. But yeah, the the trick they do in the beginning with the language is really neat. You were just gonna talk about that, Chris.
Chris (20:16)
Yes. yeah,
where they they zoom
in, so they're all talking in Russian aboard the Red October
Chad (20:22)
They're reading like the Bible or something.
Chris (20:23)
reading for the Bible and what I love about it is that the the political officer gets to the word Armageddon, which is the same in both languages, and then as they pull out, he's talks in English and they speak in English the rest of the time, and no
Chad (20:35)
Yeah.
Chris (20:36)
one comes back to Russian until they open the the porthole or whatever
door.
From the submersible and then that guy is speaking to them in Russian. But then you get down there and you realize Jack Ryan speaks Russian and then Ramius speaks English. And then you're just off. You're just th then they don't give a shit. They're like, Let's let's just get to the end of this movie. Yeah.
Chad (20:55)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (20:57)
No, I did like that because I got there was a moment where I was worried that where I was like, are we gonna only watch Sam Neil speak Russian the whole movie? Like he must have learned a lot of Russian. For some reason it didn't worry me about like Sean Connery I believed, I was like, he probably learned Russian and like did it.
Chris (21:15)
See, I'm the
opposite. I feel like Sam Neal would learn the Russian and Sean Conner would be like, I don't know what the fuck this is. Like I just like
Chad (21:20)
Well, and Sean Connery
literally he signed on to the movie like three or four days before the shooting started because it was not supposed to be him. Some guy broke
Chris (21:25)
Right. That's right.
Chad (21:27)
his leg and recommended Sean Connery.
Chris (21:30)
Who is it supposed to be?
Chad (21:32)
I didn't recognize the guy's name in the thing I watched. I'm sure I could look it up as we talk.
Klaus Maria Brondauer, an Austrian actor and director.
Elizabeth Cantwell (21:41)
Cool.
Chad (21:42)
yeah. he was in Russia House in nineteen ninety is the only movie I've even maybe heard of.
Elizabeth Cantwell (21:45)
Russia House.
Chris (21:46)
Russia House.
Sean Connery is also in Russia House.
Chad (21:49)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (21:49)
He
is in Russia House.
Chad (21:50)
But yeah, he at least from what it says here, th he broke his leg and then they needed somebody and so Sean Connery jumped in.
Chris (21:57)
He called his friend,
he was like, Sean, do want to do this submarine movie? And he was like I'd have to do are speaking in Russian the
Elizabeth Cantwell (22:02)
How much Russian do I have to learn?
Chris (22:05)
whole time?
Chad (22:05)
Yeah, and they said that his one thing was since 'cause the book was written in the early eighties when the Cold War was in a different place. And then the movie came out literally like a few months from sometime after the the fall of the
Chris (22:16)
Yeah, after the collapse?
Chad (22:17)
Yeah. So they were like, Well, this isn't this doesn't represent where relations are now. So that's why at the beginning of the screen at the beginning of the movie it says it's nineteen eighty four before Gorbachev took power.
Chris (22:26)
Yes.
Chad (22:27)
so they're like, yes.
Chris (22:27)
So technically th this is a period piece. Which is very strange.
Chad (22:32)
I mean it's interesting, yeah, to to have it come out at at the time when all this is collapsing, but set the movie
Chris (22:37)
I wonder if they even cared where they just like do you
think they just added that Chiron later or they're like, Just shoot it. Just shoot with like it's like this isn't a nineteen eighty four
a pl airplane interior and they're like, Just sh just shoot it. Just shoot the movie.
Chad (22:48)
The the
thing that I read, and again, I don't know about the veracity, but it said which is just hilarious, They sent him the script, he he gave that concern, and they're like, we forgot to send you the first page. And then they sent
him the first page with that on there. He's like, okay, all right. So, yeah. Yes, you're the man now, dog.
Chris (23:02)
that makes perfect sense. You're the
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:03)
Ha ha ha
Chris (23:06)
man now to now is the winter of our discontent.
okay.
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:11)
There's
a lot of good actors in this movie.
Chris (23:13)
Yes.
Chad (23:14)
That was the thing I texted you about.
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:16)
You did.
Chad (23:20)
Skarsgarden.
Chris (23:17)
like s you got Scott Glenn, you got Courtney Vance, Courtney Vance
is amazing in this.
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:23)
He
was a really good I wanted more Courtney
Chad (23:25)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:26)
Vance.
Chris (23:26)
I know, I I
thought that was a great character. Yeah. We I was
Chad (23:27)
I wanna more of a lot of them. Yeah.
Chris (23:30)
looking up Vance and like he was coming off of being the original Broadway cast member who played Paul in Six Degrees of Separation, which is cool.
Chad (23:38)
Well well.
Chris (23:39)
and so like he was a big Broadway guy, and then but you also had Skarsgard, who's great, Sam Neil, who you know, his name is above the title of the film when it came
Chad (23:51)
Yeah.
Chris (23:52)
out, Sam Neil's.
Hunt for Red October. And
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:54)
Yeah.
Chris (23:57)
I
Chad (23:56)
I always wanted to see Montana.
Chris (23:57)
always wanted Elizabeth was very sad at that part.
Elizabeth Cantwell (23:59)
That was
Chad (24:00)
It was
Elizabeth Cantwell (24:00)
I was really sad.
Chad (24:00)
it was such a sad
and apparently that's not the character that dies in the book. So they they made him die in the movie. Yeah. I mean I haven't read the book, but
Chris (24:07)
really? Who you know it's interesting is
I think that scene with the two of them where he goes through all the things, it's like s such a they give Sam Neil like a I w yeah,
Chad (24:16)
I want a round woman.
Chris (24:18)
he's like I'm s I will perhaps I'll have a second wife and in the winter I will live in Tucson. Like it's they give him
Chad (24:23)
Yeah.
Chris (24:24)
it's what's interesting is it's like the mo it's like the warmest scene in the movie.
Chad (24:28)
Yeah.
Chris (24:29)
And it there's only like one scene where it's just them hanging out, but you've earned it.
And it's so nice to see the human side of what Sam Neil wants. And I also think that in the hands of any other actor, when you're like, I can't wait to get to America and get to Montana, you're like, this guy's dead. You know, but like
but like he does it in such a way where you're they're just hanging and it's like very sweet. And so I think his death, I think it it hides the ball on the fact that that damn cook saboteur.
is gonna
Chad (24:59)
He
Chris (25:00)
shoot him. And so it's I I thought like his yeah spoiler alert sorry are we I don't know spoiler you know s it's been 36
Chad (25:02)
Spoiler alert. No, It's been thirty six years, I think we're good.
Chris (25:09)
years. I don't know get off your ass and watch Hunt for Red October.
Chad (25:11)
Yeah.
Chris (25:12)
But no like it it is like I I think that's it's the way he performs that scene is so beautiful. that that I don't know it felt like it's like the Sam Neil turn in the movie that's so nice.
And it c also does
Chad (25:25)
Yeah.
Chris (25:25)
a really good job of covering up the fact of where what's coming. I just thought that was I don't know. I love it.
Elizabeth Cantwell (25:29)
Well, that scene
between the two of them also sort of grounds the film emotionally because otherwise you do have like a very intellectual film
with a lot of like plot. It's a lot of plot. It's very plot y. That was that was the part that was like I was struggling with some is like gotta have
Chad (25:43)
Yeah. Well it's a chess game, yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (25:47)
this plot
Chris (25:47)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (25:47)
and then this plot and then there's also this other thing happening, and how do these things connect? I know
Chad (25:51)
That that happens in books.
Chris (25:53)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (25:54)
It's easier for me when I look at the words. Looking at the words is easier. But
Chad (25:57)
Yeah, me too.
Elizabeth Cantwell (26:00)
but yeah, that one scene between Sam Neal and Sean Connery when they're talking about what they are looking forward to in America really feels like it grounds, it just gives this emotional through line to the film that then you're like, you care about what happens to them.
Chris (26:16)
Is it also like but in that scene Sean Connery just kind of it doesn't have an answer? Yeah,
Chad (26:19)
He wants to go fishing or something. Yeah.
Chris (26:21)
and he he's like but he also
Elizabeth Cantwell (26:22)
Yeah.
Chris (26:24)
is it implied that in the movie that Sean Connery's wife was killed by the political machine while he was away at sea? I was wondering 'cause he's like he's
Chad (26:33)
I didn't get that. I knew she died, but
Chris (26:36)
like I gave my life to the sea and she died while I was away at sea and I'm like, did something happen where she was like a I was wondering
Chad (26:42)
Well he no he said that
Chris (26:43)
if
Chad (26:43)
he did say that thing where he's like I widowed her the day that I married her or something like that. So may so maybe
Chris (26:49)
Yeah, well is like is that
Chad (26:50)
he was saying maybe saying by being part of this I put her into that one or maybe he just meant I was always gone at sea. Yeah, so I'm
Chris (26:55)
Yeah, like I was always gone, so it
Chad (26:57)
I d I don't know if they actually sa I'm sure the book probably says, but I I don't actually know. 'Cause I I just
Chris (27:01)
She was
Chad (27:02)
in my head had pictured some illness that, you know, she died when he wasn't able to get back in time
Chris (27:06)
I guess that's what it was, but I I don't know, I was
I was wondering if like she I don't know if she sh
but like that influenced his decision to defect where he was like Because, you know, he could go to America and be a workaholic. We have plenty of those here. You know what I mean? But if he's just like
Chad (27:19)
Yes. Well, he was also
really against the whole idea of the Radoktober, which
basically exists as a ship to start war. So he's like, I I don't I don't agree with this.
Chris (27:29)
You're like, I don't wanna do that.
Elizabeth Cantwell (27:30)
I mean this is a very it's
a
very pro-America film. Where you you have to be like, yes, it is.
Chad (27:36)
But it's very sympathetic to the Russian I mean, it portrays them as really wonderful
people and and like a lot of movies in the eighties did not portray Russians very humanly.
Elizabeth Cantwell (27:44)
No, I that's
absolutely true, but I think it it does it. The reason yes, it's like these are Russians who believe
Chris (27:49)
It's because they want to be Americans.
Elizabeth Cantwell (27:54)
in the American dream, so we c so they're good people.
Chad (27:58)
Okay.
Chris (27:58)
Sam
Neal, Sam Neil wants a pickup truck, and we're like, I love that Russian guy. This is the first Soviet I've liked. I You know,
Chad (28:00)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (28:02)
Yeah, exactly. He said Arizona, he's welcome here.
Chris (28:08)
you know who I really enjoyed in the film was the Bevy of female cast. I thought that that was really something. Yeah,
Chad (28:14)
the plethora, you know.
Chris (28:15)
just how incredible some of
Elizabeth Cantwell (28:17)
boy.
Chris (28:17)
the women's roles were in this film.
Elizabeth Cantwell (28:19)
There's like half a woman. There's like a half.
Chris (28:23)
so Gates McFadden, this is bizarre.
Gates McFad and Dr. Beverly Crusher from The Next Generation. That show was already on. She's like in filming season two. And I guess she's probably like, who knows if this is gonna keep going? What the what is this? She she's
Chad (28:36)
Yeah.
Chris (28:37)
in a shot, one shot, passing through Jack Ryan's London home with the kids to get him to
Chad (28:44)
yeah, yeah.
Chris (28:45)
the airport. And it's she's literally like walking from the left side of the frame to the right, being like, Mr. Ryan, we have to get you to the, you know, and it's like.
And she's gone. And
Chad (28:53)
Yeah.
Chris (28:54)
you're like, that was hey, that's d that was Dr. Gates
Chad (28:57)
Yeah.
Chris (28:57)
McFadden. It's interesting because in Jack in the other Jack Ryan movies, his family play a huge role in the in the film.
Chad (29:05)
okay.
Chris (29:05)
His wife, Anne,
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:07)
Yeah. Cause in
clear are you thinking about like clear and present danger? Yeah.
Chris (29:12)
Yeah, and she's in both.
and sh they're they're literally in Jeopardy in Patriot games, but it's but yeah, that this is like that's not even his wife, it's his nanny.
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:25)
Right.
Chris (29:27)
But it's
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:28)
He definitely was having an affair with the nanny. I
but he was definitely
Chris (29:34)
With the
nanny? With Gates McFadden? Why is the implication that they Wait is like how? Like how it what how? Explain that. Mentalize that for me.
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:35)
Yes. Yes. That's why
'Cause she's very beautiful. She's very beautiful,
and she's the
Chad (29:46)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:47)
one talking to him about the airport.
Chris (29:48)
So that's it. They're like you're like they're fucking. Like you're like they're
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:49)
That's it. Absolutely.
Chris (29:54)
it was Ann Archer is his wife in the other movies. But
Elizabeth Cantwell (29:56)
Anne Archer, she's great.
Chris (29:57)
but but I mean so it's Gates. I just
Chad (30:00)
Yeah.
Chris (30:00)
like it was a weird
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:01)
Sure.
Chris (30:01)
it was a weird Gates role where I was like it's less time than she has in Muppets Take Manhattan, which is before Next Generation.
Chad (30:09)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:07)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (30:10)
It's a very strange role for her.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:11)
Well, the submarines are female, so
Chris (30:13)
That's what I meant. I said the female performances, meaning the submarines.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:13)
That's true. Yeah, the submarines.
It is a Yannick space. Okay, you could interpret it both ways. Yes.
Chris (30:19)
Even though the no the I don't know if the submarine but the submarines seem very phallic to me and the ocean is the Yannick space. It's like guys it's like guys phallus is flying around shine
Chad (30:24)
Yeah, they do have a little phallic shape too.
Chris (30:33)
for superiority of the Yonick space of the ocean.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:35)
Absolutely. Okay. I love this interpretation.
So the ocean is the woman.
Chris (30:39)
They're compar they're competing for a superiority over the ocean slash woman.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:46)
Yeah.
Chris (30:47)
And you know who wins?
America.
Chad (30:49)
America.
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:49)
That's always America always wins.
Chris (30:53)
That's
right. And
Elizabeth Cantwell (30:54)
It does feel
like it's a it's it's a more acceptable version of America winning than some other versions. Like it it does feel a little
more understanding of the complexity of of things.
Chris (31:02)
Then like Rocky Four.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:06)
Well, cause cause Jack
Chad (31:06)
Drago was on the sub.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:08)
Rocky four Jack Ryan
Chris (31:09)
Right.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:09)
doesn't feel like a like a America first guy. He feels like
Chris (31:16)
Well he didn't even live there.
He lives in yeah, he lives overseas.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:18)
Well see, I
Chad (31:18)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:19)
didn't realize that, but
Chris (31:21)
Gates McFadden's accent is what told me that it's like we have to get to the airport, you know, you're like
Chad (31:25)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:26)
Sure, but that doesn't mean just 'cause someone has an accent doesn't mean they live there. But yes.
Chris (31:31)
He does live in London. He's th 'cause they
Chad (31:33)
Yeah.
Chris (31:33)
say in Virginia when he gets to Langley, which like I pointed out to Elizabeth, is not Langley 'cause they never actually show Langley in a movie. 'cause
Elizabeth Cantwell (31:40)
I know what Langley looks like.
Chad (31:41)
But you yeah, you worked at Langley, right?
Chris (31:43)
Elizabeth's in the CIA and da da da. But like but yeah, it's like the first thing where it's like, that's not Langley. It's like, no, of course not. Of course. Yeah, but I but he flies overnight to Virginia, so they're like, You've been on an overnight flight, you're exhausted.
Chad (31:49)
That would give her some insight.
Chris (31:56)
Right. So I was like, Okay. He's coming from the UK.
okay, so other but other actors in this film. Fred Thompson before he becomes a senator of the United States.
Chad (32:04)
yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (32:04)
Yes.
Chad (32:04)
But
when he was playing a lot of those roles as like, hey,
Chris (32:07)
Yep.
Chad (32:07)
this guy, this guy does this one particular thing as an actor,
Chris (32:10)
Yeah.
Chad (32:10)
let's bring him in.
Chris (32:11)
Yeah, like when he like I think he's in Die Hard Two the same year, where he's like Dulles Tower.
Chad (32:15)
Okay.
Chris (32:15)
He's like the head of the Dulles Airport. and then
Chad (32:18)
Yeah. He's a good head of stuff.
Chris (32:20)
Yes. And then the captain of the it's funny to say the captain of the Enterprise, but that's what it is, because the Enterprise
Chad (32:24)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (32:25)
is the aircraft carrier. The captain of the Enterprise is the gay nan is the gay butt the gay. Point is he's gay. No, the
he is the he he's the gay butler from the nanny, yes, he's the gay butler from the nanny who has like a highly contentious like sidelong thing with Cece, he's
Chad (32:34)
He's in the nanny. Yeah.
Chris (32:44)
always shitting on Cece and the nanny. and he's the captain of the enterprise.
Chad (32:52)
does he? I just can't
Chris (32:50)
That I could sing you I could s I could see you I could s
Elizabeth Cantwell (32:50)
Chris loves the nanny. This is actually true. No, I'm not kidding. Chris actually loves the nanny.
Chad (32:56)
yeah, I'm one of those people that the frand dresser's voice is it's 'cause he loves the nanny.
Elizabeth Cantwell (32:58)
One of the reasons I fell in love with Chris is that he
no, he made a video, a YouTube video of Gene Kelly doing
Chad (33:12)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (33:13)
a dance, but he edited the dance so that it fit the theme song from the nanny, but the but the theme song from the nanny kept repeating and like scrambling. And it so it was very absurdist
Chris (33:24)
Yeah, so we I I used
Chad (33:24)
Okay.
Elizabeth Cantwell (33:26)
and experimental.
And I was like, this is the man I need to marry.
Chris (33:30)
Yeah, that's exactly it. I was like, You wanna see
Chad (33:30)
And AMC said, Let's give this guy a show.
Chris (33:35)
something? Like it no,
Chad (33:36)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (33:37)
but I it's it's it's
Elizabeth Cantwell (33:38)
Ha ha
Chris (33:38)
Gene Kelly's dance number from Summerstock, great movie. And then with the newspaper on stage
Elizabeth Cantwell (33:41)
Yes. With the newspaper. Mm-hmm.
Chad (33:42)
Yeah, yeah.
Chris (33:44)
and then I cut the theme song to the nanny to it, and then but I found places for p parts of the nanny song to just endlessly repeat.
So it feels like Gene Kelly is trapped in hell repeating the nanny song for eternity. I did. I mean, I think I did that I did that at my job, which was like when I was working for Disney in marketing, I was like, Yeah, I was really Well, it's just like you're
Chad (34:00)
So you s so you had some free time after college. okay. No.
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:10)
That's how consuming your job was.
Chris (34:13)
I'm what am I trying to market Mars needs moms? I'm like, I'm not gonna do that. Like I'm gonna go over here and cut Gene Kelly to the nanny song. Yeah.
Chad (34:21)
But
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:21)
I don't
think anyone
Chad (34:21)
you didn't
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:22)
on the submarine had time to do that. I
think
Chris (34:24)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:25)
I think the jobs on the submarine did look stressful. Like that
Chris (34:28)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:28)
looked like some s that looked like a stressful job.
Chad (34:28)
Yes, correct.
Chris (34:31)
It
felt like the
Chad (34:31)
Yeah.
Chris (34:32)
minute you start telling a story about your life or an anecdote, like some siren's gonna go off and you're like, we got
Chad (34:37)
Yeah.
Chris (34:38)
a Typhoon's six, seven off
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:40)
Yeah, there was a lot of like
Chris (34:41)
the starboard you know, like it was
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:43)
Yeah, lots of alerts and like it was it and
Chad (34:46)
Lots of yeah, lots of w sirens.
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:48)
being on a nuclear sub that was that felt stressful to me.
Chris (34:51)
We got
we got a radiation leak. You know, like it was you know.
Elizabeth Cantwell (34:54)
I don't
I was bothered by I mean I know that it was the 80s so maybe they didn't understand as much, but I saw Silkwood and I feel like when they said like there's a radiation leak and the guys are just like put on a raincoat, you know, I was like, I think you're already fucking dead. Like you're dead now.
Chad (35:06)
Yeah. Stop drop and roll.
Chris (35:06)
But no, but Elizabet Elizabeth, Elizabeth Elizabeth, the radiation leak was fake. It was fake.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:13)
I know, but they but the crew didn't know that.
Chris (35:16)
Yeah, but he was like he makes a pretty quick decision like get him off the ship.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:19)
Right, but at that point I feel like you're it's you're cooked. You know, like
Chad (35:24)
Not if it's fake.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:25)
it's too late.
Chris (35:25)
Where they're just like they're just like the
Chernobyl guys up on top, just like super super CRS is it CRS? No that wait is it no radiation
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:30)
Yes, that's what I'm saying. I that really bothered me.
Chris (35:35)
what is it? I don't know what it is, but radiation sickness.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:37)
Well but
but also because they never know I know that we're talking about like the end of the movie now, I guess, but they fake a r they f okay. Well they fake a radiation leak. They've it's fine. We can go
Chad (35:43)
We've mostly been talking about the end. Without any lead up to how you get there. Yeah, sorry.
Chris (35:45)
Ha ha ha.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:51)
back. They fake a radiation leak to get the crew off the ship because Sean Connery doesn't want people to know that he's defecting because I guess it will
Chris (35:58)
Yeah, it's brilliant.
Elizabeth Cantwell (35:59)
s yeah, it's really good.
Chad (36:00)
And we don't know.
Chris (36:01)
Yeah, exactly. Jack Ryan knows.
Chad (36:02)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:03)
Jack Ryan knows.
Chad (36:03)
Yeah.
Well we have to believe him and I believe Sean Connery, so but he's not giving it away. He's just murdering
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:09)
But it was like
Chris (36:09)
Yeah.
Chad (36:10)
people in the first few minutes of the movie.
Chris (36:11)
Yeah, that's weird where it's like there was a he he tries to pass it off as an he tried to pass it off as an accident. Yeah, it
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:12)
Wait, who yeah, he killed that guy!
Chad (36:18)
I
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:17)
I forgot.
Chad (36:18)
my tea, I spilled some tea on him. Look, he's got tea on him. Don't investigate.
Chris (36:20)
Hit yeah. Yeah, it's like he slipped on T and fell backwards and hit the table and it's like, you know, like I feel like anybody
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:25)
That was weird.
Chris (36:30)
on the crew is like what you know like
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:32)
I did think that they
they planted that engineer as being suspicious too and then he wasn't. Like the
Chris (36:38)
No.
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:38)
whole movie I thought the engineer was the saboteur. Yeah, because
Chris (36:40)
The guy in the red the guy in the red jumpsuit.
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:42)
he has that face where he's like, I'm maybe evil.
Chad (36:45)
That's how you always
know it's not that person though. No. I was just so
Chris (36:47)
Yeah. And he's like he's that it's the it's it's the goddamn cook that's the line.
Elizabeth Cantwell (36:48)
Well, I was I was hoping.
Chad (36:53)
glad it wasn't Sam Neil, so.
Chris (36:54)
Yeah, it wasn't Sam Neal. Sam Neil
Chad (36:56)
Yeah.
Chris (36:56)
wanted the pickup truck and Yeah, he wanted the Cows Nation. He wanted
Chad (36:58)
The cows and the sheep and the round round woman.
Chris (37:01)
Airs and a Round Woman. Yeah, like he would have been
Chad (37:03)
No.
Chris (37:03)
so happy. There should have been a s a movie called Hunt for it October two and it was and it was Sam Neil just living in Mont Montana. But
a double life where he has a wife and two sons. And he's like, No, he's just like Yeah,
Chad (37:20)
and his character survived 'cause he
Elizabeth Cantwell (37:16)
And there's no submarines in the movie. It's a domestic it's a domestic drama.
Chad (37:21)
had a bulletproof vest on in the submarine. So yeah.
Chris (37:23)
Yeah, exactly. He's just like, But this is a
lot trickier to pull off his he's
like, This is I thought the red October was tough.
Chad (37:28)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (37:30)
Ha ha ha ha.
Chris (37:31)
Two wives in separate
states, dual identities, one pickup truck?
Elizabeth Cantwell (37:34)
Ha ha ha ha.
Chris (37:36)
Hunt for Red Ock two.
Chad (37:38)
just I but I also thought like you said that it seems like a really hard job yes. but what I like I I've said this before on this podcast, but I really like movies where you watch people doing jobs that you have no idea how to do and they do them really, really well, even if
Chris (37:51)
Yes.
Chad (37:52)
like I I I don't know Fran years ago called it like competency porn. But it's just like
Chris (37:56)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (37:56)
Mm.
Chad (37:57)
it's always really satisfying to me. I was like, I don't know what any of this stuff is and I wouldn't know if they were doing it wrong.
So I was just like, this is all fascinating. Like, this is their whole life. And they do all these things, you know. And you think about the real people that do it, at least I do. And I'm like, that that is a I've never thought about how crazy of a job that would be to have.
Elizabeth Cantwell (38:10)
Yeah.
Chad (38:11)
And they go out of their way repeatedly to say so carefully, C man all the time. Yeah. And I was like, see space man. It definitely not a word that can be mistaken for anything else.
Chris (38:17)
Seaman C Man Yeah C Spa C hyphen man
Elizabeth Cantwell (38:17)
They do.
There was well when
they're doing the like climactic sub racing sequences, which I do think like they managed to pull off they managed
Chad (38:33)
Stop racing.
Elizabeth Cantwell (38:35)
to pull off that it's suspenseful, even though there's it's crazy.
Chris (38:38)
Ladies and gentlemen, your sub races. The fourth annual sub race.
Elizabeth Cantwell (38:43)
Well, they're like, Sean Connery's like, put it all the way to Mach 16 or whatever, you know, and then they're like
Chris (38:48)
Mox sixty Holy shit
The the water vaporizes He's he's forty five hundred miles into the North American continent
Elizabeth Cantwell (38:51)
He's like, crank it all the way. No, but when they're
what I'm trying
to say is when they're doing that, there is like a weird division of labor of jobs that I couldn't figure out where Sam Neal has like a stopwatch and he's just going like, Mark, Mark, you know, and then there's another guy on a map and he just has a sharpie. Yeah.
Chad (39:11)
I like when they tell you the time time to impact, yeah. So you get to like they go
Chris (39:14)
Yeah, timed impact
Chad (39:15)
through like four or five times. Like ten seconds to impact, Captain. Yeah.
Chris (39:15)
is always good. Yeah, and then like yeah, exactly. Yeah, like Captain Ten seconds! Yeah, like
Elizabeth Cantwell (39:22)
It went but it wasn't it was impressive.
Chad (39:25)
yeah, no, it was.
Chris (39:26)
And the only
person they play that's like worried about anything on the submarine is played as the weakest clownish character possible, which is Tim Curry, right? Where he's just the Yeah, like Tim Curry literally goes, Captain, like it's
Elizabeth Cantwell (39:33)
Tim Curry. I know.
Chad (39:34)
we haven't even mentioned Tim Curry. my goodness. Famous famous Russian submarine. Sea man.
Chris (39:43)
it's like, man, you
Elizabeth Cantwell (39:42)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (39:44)
can't handle the shit down here. Get off this submarine dock.
Elizabeth Cantwell (39:48)
Yeah, how did
he get to be a submarine person?
Chris (39:51)
How do you begin
to be a world-class submarine doctor if he's like
he's a seaman, Dr. C Man, and he won't
Chad (39:56)
Yeah.
Chris (39:58)
he can't, he's just like Captain. You know, it's just like and then he's also the guy when they're eating, they also just hate him, which I love too.
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:06)
Yeah.
Chris (40:06)
Like he's not even like
Chad (40:07)
Yeah.
Chris (40:07)
he's like weak, but all this but like when they're all eating and he's telling the stories like, and then the there was a Ukrainian girl, or you know, and you're like, what? And like they just shoot looks at each other like this fucking guy.
Get him out of our dinner. Like we have
Chad (40:20)
Yeah.
Chris (40:22)
to talk about defecting. Fuck. Get this guy out
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:24)
Yeah.
Chad (40:25)
Ha ha.
Chris (40:25)
of here. They hate him. Like they really despise him. It's so funny.
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:28)
Ha ha ha ha
Chris (40:30)
It's a ma it's actually
amazing he lives. Like that to me is funny.
Chad (40:33)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:34)
But he's off the he's one of the ones that got off.
Chris (40:36)
He gets off into the little rafts, but like
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:39)
Yes.
Chris (40:39)
but yeah, like I thought by that point they'd have him like, you know, shrieking as he gets to the deck of the submarine, like A You know, but he's the way they've portrayed him
Chad (40:47)
He never like
Elizabeth Cantwell (40:46)
Ha ha ha
Chad (40:49)
yeah, he never I can't think of no Tim Curry movie where he doesn't Tim Curry. Like he he plays it pretty straight, like I was like, okay, that's
Chris (40:54)
I know what like this is I know the rest I
I feel like even when he's like a bad guy or a good guy, he's super fun and in charge and confident and
Chad (41:04)
Yeah.
Chris (41:04)
cool. I mean, even if you were to say like home alone too, lost in New York, he's I mean I mean I that's
Chad (41:09)
I'm always talking about that, yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (41:12)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (41:13)
we st you know, yeah. Yeah,
even if it's just with myself in my head as I'm driving. But like he's so he's a good
He's a pretty good, like, other bad guy as the concierge of the Plaza Hotel where, you know, Mr. McAllister, you know, like he
Chad (41:29)
Ha.
Chris (41:29)
he's ver but like he still gets to be silly. Like he but he gets he gets a little like
Chad (41:32)
Yeah, no silliness on the red October.
Chris (41:34)
he gets poned a little bit in that movie too, but this is the only other Tim Curry I've seen where he movie where he gets poned. I guess legend, but that's different. That's a different kind of poning. No, it's not.
Chad (41:40)
Mm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (41:43)
Well, this movie is not very funny. It's
Chad (41:46)
No.
Elizabeth Cantwell (41:47)
not it's there's not a lot of jokes. But even like I do think that
Chris (41:51)
Yeah, laugh a minute, Tom Clancy.
Elizabeth Cantwell (41:54)
like that's the difference between Alec Baldwin and Harrison Ford, where like Harrison Ford is he's a a man with humor. And even when he's in very serious situations, there's like maybe a line or two that he's dryly saying that's amusing, you know?
Chris (42:11)
Although
this is like he we're about to enter the nineties, which is the period of anxious shivery Harrison Ford, where he's just like
Elizabeth Cantwell (42:18)
Yeah.
Chris (42:19)
he's so anxious and on his back foot that he's he's like shivering through the whole movie and
Chad (42:24)
Yeah.
Chris (42:24)
his voice is quavering, like Fugitive, Patriot Games is also like this and very similar plot.
we're past like frantic, presumed innocent the first two indies. Like this is
Chad (42:33)
Yeah. Indiana Jones, yeah.
Chris (42:36)
now we're into like I I don't you know, I don't know. You know, like where where's
Elizabeth Cantwell (42:39)
But it doesn't but
Chris (42:41)
where's my wife?
Chad (42:41)
Yeah.
Chris (42:42)
You know, like he's he's very shivery.
Elizabeth Cantwell (42:43)
But even with that,
ev like you know that this is a man who can tell a joke. So like it feels lighter.
Chris (42:49)
Yeah, but I will say
all the j all the Tom Clancy jokes, like even in this movie and those movies are like jokes where your dad in the armchair next to you watching the movie laughs first and goes like, Ha you see what he's talking about? 'Cause there's nuclear missiles in here. That's why they don't react well to bullets. Did you get that, son? 'Cause
Chad (43:07)
Yeah.
Chris (43:08)
he doesn't want to shoot the nuclear missiles. You know, like it's like very boomer boomer military humor.
Chad (43:13)
This is a very yeah, there's a
Elizabeth Cantwell (43:13)
Ha ha.
Chad (43:14)
lot of stuff online about this being ev like everyone's dad's favorite movie. Yeah.
Chris (43:18)
Yeah, like my dad
loved this. Although we Elizabeth and I have a mutual friend whose father was in the Navy his whole career and I do believe this movie and things like Crimson Tide or anything like that, he just he sits
Elizabeth Cantwell (43:28)
He hated.
Chris (43:29)
in his armchair and he just goes, Bullshit you know, like, Nope.
Chad (43:33)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (43:34)
Never happen. You know, like he's just that that dad. But I think he's just that dad in general.
Chad (43:37)
Well, they they
got the navy to sign off on, you know, them doing this whole movie, so
Chris (43:42)
'Cause they wanted it to be like they they were like, we want this to be the top gun for s for the navy, for the submarine.
Where it's like, it doesn't look it doesn't
Chad (43:45)
yeah for Top Gun. Yeah. You had me just remove my shirt.
Chris (43:53)
look yeah, there's a the volleyball scene in the Russian sub.
Elizabeth Cantwell (43:56)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (43:57)
Playing with the boss. It's just like
Elizabeth Cantwell (44:00)
Yeah.
Chad (44:02)
Sam, hit the ball. Set me up.
Chris (44:04)
Yeah, exactly.
Elizabeth Cantwell (44:05)
I think this movie
succeeds in making you want to be in the Navy. It's yeah, it's the opposite.
Chad (44:10)
It definitely made me not want to be in a submarine ever.
Chris (44:13)
No, exactly it's like you could die really badly
Chad (44:16)
Yeah, and you don't get to do any cool stuff in the air, no tricks.
Chris (44:19)
Yeah, I mean like
Courtney Vance is cool, but he's almost like he's like the sonar whisperer, you know, like he's like he's cool, but it's also like
Chad (44:24)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (44:24)
Yeah. He does
almost feel like he's from another movie at times.
Chris (44:29)
Yeah,
and it also feels like basically everyone in this film is like even Jack Ryan, it feels like we don't really belong on the surface of the earth. Where could we go, like, and hide from other normal people?
Elizabeth Cantwell (44:39)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (44:40)
How about the depths of the ocean? Now we feel like we're at
home with our other misfit friends in their red jumpsuits, you know, like even the submersible guy
Elizabeth Cantwell (44:46)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I like that.
Chris (44:49)
is weird, you know, like it's it's like what it's a bizarre kind of job.
Chad (44:52)
But like
but Scott Glenn was like, if you noticed, like he never lost his shit at any point. Like he never raised his voice. Like he
Chris (44:59)
No, I know.
Chad (45:00)
it was great. And I I I'd read something about he he I forget, I don't it's not called a ride-along, I don't think, when you call it mess up. But he he modeled after a guy that that was apparently like that. But I was just like, that was a really interesting way of having I mean, because he was clearly like smart and intense, and I had had a lot of the role red to be like, all right, Jack Ryan, I'm gonna trust ya.
Chris (45:18)
Right. Yeah. And
you know that his crew doesn't mess with him. Yeah. He like commands
Chad (45:23)
Yeah.
Chris (45:23)
respect. I also did like at the end that it feels like the captains
each get their moment where like at first Ramius is like he's like tr he's
gonna turn the sub into the torpedo and it literally have both captains on either side of Jack Ryan, right? And Glenn is like
It's wrong, turn don't turn that wheel, Ryan. You know, and then
Chad (45:44)
Yeah.
Chris (45:45)
Ramius is like, turn it to mock three fifteen, you know, like it and then it works and it's great. But then later, Glenn gets like a his own little moment
Chad (45:55)
Yeah.
Chris (45:55)
to be like, I'm an awesome captain too on the
Chad (45:58)
Yeah.
Chris (45:58)
Red October. Everybody's an awesome captain at the end.
Chad (46:01)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (46:01)
Did Skarsgard get a good captain moment? No.
Chris (46:03)
No, he just got
Chad (46:04)
No
you idiot y just got ourselves
Chris (46:05)
the yeah.
Chad (46:07)
killed.
Chris (46:07)
You you arc an ass. You've killed ourselves. You've
Chad (46:10)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (46:11)
killed us. That's what it is, yeah. That's the line I remember quoting a lot growing up. Not to my friends, not to my parents. Just call say
Chad (46:16)
Yeah, and I I d no
Chris (46:19)
say ark and ass to my dad. I think that would be bad. I could say it now. I could call him today after this podcast and be like, You ark an ass. I'm going to Ralph's. You know, like that's
Elizabeth Cantwell (46:29)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (46:32)
Ha ha ha.
Elizabeth Cantwell (46:32)
Yeah, I think I kept thinking of and you will roll your eyes, Chris, but I kept thinking of the later Mission Impossible movies with some of the submarine stuff. But Tillman Trammell
Chad (46:45)
The entity.
Elizabeth Cantwell (46:46)
was so good as a submarine captain, very similar, right? In terms of like I'm a because that was a submarine, right? Am I making this up?
Chad (46:55)
They were underwater. So so I mean it feels like it could have been. They didn't have enough time in that movie to explain that 'cause it was such a tight hour and two hours more.
Elizabeth Cantwell (46:56)
I think they were I think they were in a submarine.
Chris (46:56)
ha
Elizabeth Cantwell (47:08)
I think they were in a submarine at that point. But yeah, I do think that if you're
if you're in a submarine, you have to be like a collected person.
Right. but I did like
to to tie the threads of what we've been talking about together a little bit, I do like that you have a
A wide array of actors and characters who are all doing slightly different versions of what that might look like. So it does feel like it feels very realistic in that way, where
Chad (47:37)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (47:38)
it feels like this is a realistically believable group of people who are very different. You've got from Tim Curry to Scott Glenn, you know, you've got like all types.
Chris (47:47)
That's the spectrum.
Elizabeth Cantwell (47:48)
That's that's that's always the spectrum I'm looking at.
And I do think like it felt I bought that they were submarine a crew of submarine people.
Chris (47:58)
And a lot of them were, right? Like
some of the like s like actual people cast sea these were
Chad (47:59)
C men.
Elizabeth Cantwell (48:01)
See men.
Chris (48:02)
legitimate sea men.
Elizabeth Cantwell (48:05)
It felt believable.
Chris (48:07)
I I th it was a
Chad (48:07)
No, I did, for sure.
Chris (48:08)
a lot I mean, mo almost all the background people were were submarine
Like they're like it's people from like and they even some of them have lines. I I think like the guy that gives them a hard time about that gives Jonesy a hard time about what is he like about what he
no, he listened to Botticelli, but it's Pavarotti. and then he says, no, it's Pagliacci. They argue about this. That guy, I think,
Elizabeth Cantwell (48:33)
Yes.
Chris (48:34)
is an actual
Chad (48:34)
Mm. yeah, yeah.
Chris (48:35)
I think. I'm not positive, but there's a lot of those a lot of those people are real submarine people. Not Jeff not Jeffrey Jones. Submarine
submariners?
Chad (48:44)
Submariners, yeah. No.
Elizabeth Cantwell (48:46)
Ha ha ha ha.
Chris (48:47)
Submar is it submariners?
Chad (48:48)
Yeah.
Chris (48:49)
Come on, Seattle. What is it? Submariners. Yeah, it's submariners. Yes, those legitimate submariners.
Chad (48:49)
It is submariners. It is. Yeah. I mean, we that's the team we've got this year is the Submariners.
Elizabeth Cantwell (48:51)
Okay, submariners.
And I did like, just to for a minute talk about a more formal element rather than plot or acting element, I did like the the way that it felt very like a pre-computer, pre-AI type of movie where a lot of it felt very practical,
Chris (49:10)
Yeah, there's no cell phones.
Elizabeth Cantwell (49:12)
right? But like even in terms of the way that it's the way that you're navigating space, like it felt very
practical and analog in a lot of ways. Like you could tell they built that shit. And like yeah, exactly.
Chad (49:24)
yeah, there wasn't a lot of CGI used either too. Yeah.
Chris (49:26)
No, yeah, only that l and
end shot with the blue screen sky where you go like, What? What is this? But yeah, I all those sets.
Elizabeth Cantwell (49:30)
Yeah. Yes. That f and that's why that takes
you that's why that takes you out of it because the rest of the film feels very immersive in
Chris (49:37)
Is so real. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (49:39)
terms of like the surroundings, the even the even the like submarine interiors. They feel very real.
Chris (49:45)
And then you
Elizabeth Cantwell (49:45)
Yeah.
Chris (49:46)
get little moments
of like Connery's fine and looking at Sam Neil, but just catches his teacup without even looking at it. You know, like that's one of my favorite moments in the whole thing.
Elizabeth Cantwell (49:52)
Yeah.
Chad (49:53)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Chris (49:55)
You know, it's just like this guy's totally
in control.
Chad (49:57)
We didn't even talk about the the cinematographer who that was. 'Cause I
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:01)
Yonder Bont.
Chad (50:01)
yeah. I mean, yeah,
Chris (50:02)
Yon DeBont, Director of Speed.
Chad (50:04)
yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:04)
Yeah.
Chad (50:05)
But I mean that that that the the camera work was a he did. And and a lot of that
Chris (50:07)
He shot the shit out of it. Yeah.
Chad (50:10)
lighting, he's like, you know, he when they're constructing the scenes, he's like, I don't want any like artificial light. I don't want you know, he he tried to keep it he didn't light them the way you would light someone who wasn't on a submarine just because it's Sean Conner, Al Baldwin or whatever. So but you
I never felt like it was one of those movies where I couldn't tell what was going on 'cause was too dark, but it was dark all the time. Yeah. But I mean that yeah. Yeah.
Chris (50:29)
Yeah, it's it's moody. It's moody in a way that's like super cool. It's got like a real
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:30)
No, but not too dark. Yeah. Moody's a good that's good.
Chris (50:36)
texture to it. Like the it's a kinda like it feels like the the
shadows and the lights have like a weight to them that are really
Chad (50:42)
Yeah.
Chris (50:43)
cool. Yeah, which is weird 'cause I yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:45)
Yeah. Yeah. It feels very
well crafted from start to finish in terms of the filmmaking aspect of it.
Chris (50:54)
All the technical things
It worked.
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:55)
And
Chad (50:55)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (50:56)
there were some good stunts. I mean, it is weird. I I said in the beginning,
I said in the beginning like I felt like it was a an action slash thriller, but it really doesn't have much action because you're on a submarine
which is hard to have action on.
Chad (51:13)
There's
that one kinda near the end, but yeah, th that there's not much.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:15)
But yeah, like it is the
the the th I love that helicopter sequence though with Alec Baldwin
Chris (51:20)
That's great.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:21)
swinging on the helicopter. Like I was like, this is great. Like I want I could I loved it. I was like, let's
Chris (51:24)
And he knocks the X O out of the port out of the hole and the guy's like hanging off the side. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:29)
watch this for two hours. Like I would watch that Well that you're right. That's
Chad (51:32)
Well that's mission impossible. Yeah.
Chris (51:34)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:38)
that's my my zone sometimes. But
Chad (51:40)
Ha ha.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:41)
I loved it and and it felt like he really hurt that guy.
Chris (51:45)
He might have. I mean like it's those are probably all
Chad (51:44)
Which guy? yeah, yeah, yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:45)
He kicked that guy like in the head.
Chris (51:49)
like s C Mans
Chad (51:52)
Mm.
Chris (51:52)
or stuntmans. It's a combo,
Elizabeth Cantwell (51:53)
Those are st that was that's gotta be a stunt man.
Chris (51:56)
right?
Chad (51:56)
I think it was actually Alec Baldwin.
Chris (51:58)
Was it was it actually like Baldwin? And he gives the the guy that gets kicked in the head and knocked over the side. I feel like it's just like so
Chad (52:00)
No. yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (52:00)
No, the guy who gets kicked in the head is one hundred percent a stunt man. That's a stunt man.
Chris (52:06)
yeah, but I I also think like I I do like Baldwin just not waving them off and then unclipping and going into the
Ocean, you know, he has four minutes to live before they pull him out. That I th I like this. We talked about this a lot, like this incarnation of Jack Ryan, which I think continues with Harrison Ford.
It's as like those first three where it's like he's in a tie and he's like, you know, kind of an he's an analyst and he's a little bit of an academic, but like has some has some drive to him, and he's not like
you know, firing a browning machine gun one armed, you know, into a into some desert as he as he sprints. Like I'm just like, that's what's cool about that character is like he's Yeah, he's a little nerdy. He's d yeah, he's like he's a shivery
Elizabeth Cantwell (52:39)
Yeah. He doesn't have like a tank top with built arms.
Chad (52:44)
Well he's like a nerd, yeah.
Chris (52:49)
Harrison Ford, or like a kind of manic Alec Baldwin, which he is in this like at b at one point in this movie we were watching it and Elizabeth was like, this he's like he's a mess. Like when he gets aboard the sub, you're like, this guy's a mess. And it's like, yeah, he is. He like
Elizabeth Cantwell (52:59)
Yeah. I loved it. That was
Chad (52:59)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (53:04)
complimentary.
Chris (53:04)
He he
can't help but speak up and like, you know, they like bring the guy to the to the bridge with the sidearm with the snap, you know, like bring such and such sergeant with the side with the sidearm armed, you know, and it's snap. And then Baldwin is still like, you know, Captain, you gotta you gotta listen to me, you know, and he's like, and he gives him two minutes. It's like so those kinds of things are great.
Chad (53:23)
Well I lo they do have one exposition
scene I realized because 'cause he never has to act like this at any point, but they just throw in there like when he comes in in the military uniform and the guy's like, I don't like this guy wearing the uniform, he's like, by the way, here's his whole history and he's a marine and he lo he he was in
Chris (53:34)
I like that. Yeah. Yeah, which is a I actually forgot that that's
Chad (53:39)
traction and couldn't like walk for a year and had to relearn
Chris (53:41)
His last
his last year at Annapolis or something, right? Or no, he was a Marine.
Chad (53:44)
Yeah. No,
he d he did his last they I think they said he did the last year in traction. I he yeah, he didn't even quit after that. Yeah.
Chris (53:49)
In the in the core or something. Yeah, like it was
like set grad like seventy-two Grad Annapolis Marine. That
I then insinuate that he went to Vietnam then, right? That's gotta be what it be, because it's like seven class of seventy two. Yeah, he's like class
Chad (53:59)
co yeah, I couldn't tell. I I just knew that it
Chris (54:04)
of seventy two. So I'm like, well, that's Vietnam. Like and then and then he's like helicopter accident last year in traction in the Marine Corps. It's like,
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:11)
Yeah,
it felt like he recovered really well.
Chad (54:15)
Well he had a fear of
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:15)
Ha ha ha.
Chad (54:16)
flying, but he got over that by doing that crazy
Chris (54:17)
Yeah.
Chad (54:18)
stunt.
Chris (54:18)
That in the helicopter turbulence where the guy's like, Everybody puked last time
Chad (54:23)
No.
Chris (54:23)
I love helicopter stuff.
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:24)
Have either
have either of you read a Jack Ryan book ever?
Chris (54:28)
Yes. My dad read all of them.
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:31)
I know well that's not you.
Chad (54:33)
Well, through osmosis.
Chris (54:33)
I know, but
I I read
I could name a few because there's I remember I s I think I started reading
Without Remorse or no I started I read Red Phoenix. Is Red Phoenix a Jack Ryan book? I'm gonna look this up.
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:46)
No, and I
was just thinking like I have never read a Jack Ryan book, even though when I was a teenager, I was always I like I read every Michael Crichton. I also did like a lot of John Grisham. So I feel like this was like and I did some
Chad (54:59)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (54:59)
Dean Kuntz. So I feel like this was like right there on the shelf. But I didn't for some reason didn't go into Jack Ryan.
Chris (55:07)
Red Phoenix wasn't written
by Tom Clancy. it's from the author who col
collaborated with Tom Clancy on Redstorm Rising. Okay, so I did I did Red Phoenix, I did Red Storm Rising.
Chad (55:19)
But did he have a whole did you dad have like a whole shelf of all these books like together?
No.
Chris (55:22)
He didn't really keep He's like you know, he's like, I loved it and then he just threw in the trash, you know, like it's just like
Elizabeth Cantwell (55:28)
Yeah, Chris's
family is big on trashing books.
Chad (55:31)
That is
Chris (55:31)
They don't keep well, it was like, you know,
you buy the that was when you bought the five dollar paperback and you're like you
fuck the four recycling and you're just like,
Chad (55:39)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (55:39)
I
don't think you should ever throw a book in the trash. Ever. I think that's a sin.
You shouldn't
throw a book away. It's like batteries. It's like you don't put it in the trash can.
Chris (55:47)
To wait,
Chad (55:49)
Yeah.
Chris (55:49)
so y no, that's different reasons because throwing away batteries is dangerous to the environment. If you throw a book
Elizabeth Cantwell (55:54)
I know.
Chris (55:54)
away,
Chad (55:55)
Dangerous to the mind.
Elizabeth Cantwell (55:56)
It's it's exactly
dangerous to the mind. Exactly.
Christopher, I just confirmed something. sorry. I just confirmed something.
Chad (56:02)
he is going by Chris.
Chris (56:05)
That's simply what?
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:06)
It's not Gates McFadden, is not the nanny. She's his wife. So I was right that they were sleeping together. I could tell from that brief exchange. He was having an affair with his wife.
Chad (56:15)
He was having an affair with his wife.
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:20)
No, I can.
Chris (56:20)
Man, I'm having the
hottest affair right now. It's with my wife.
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:23)
So
they c they cast her as his wife, but she's only in it for f 30 seconds. She is British, which is strange. No, I think they throw that away when they get to Ann Archer. But then later it's Kira Knightley. In twenty fourteen, it's Kira Knightley as Chris Pine's wife, if you get to Jack Ryan's
Chris (56:29)
But she's British! Is she British? But Anne Archer isn't British. And I do think but but that would have worked so no no no no no no no. No no no no. Wait!
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:45)
Shadow Recruit.
Chris (56:46)
I forgot that Chris Pine did it for a second. my god, that's like just No.
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:49)
Yes. Yes. So there's a lot of Star Trek No.
Chad (56:49)
yeah. So you guys have watched you guys have watched all those?
okay.
Elizabeth Cantwell (56:55)
There's a lot
of Star Trek crossover here.
Can
we return
can we return to Sam Neil for a little bit? Because
Chris (57:01)
We said
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:02)
that wasn't the impetus for me to watch this was
Chad (57:01)
Absolutely.
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:04)
like I wanted to see a Sam Neil movie I hadn't seen. And I know we've talked about it's not a Sam Neil movie, it's a Sean Connery movie, but I I would just like to spend one more minute appreciating him.
Chris (57:15)
Well, I I think we chose this because we've seen so
many we've we you and I have seen so many movies with him in it, right? Where it's
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:22)
Yes.
Chris (57:22)
like In the Mouth of Madness and Event Horizon and this and
Chad (57:25)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (57:26)
it's like we see Dead Calm is amazing yeah, like there's so many that's an amazing movie. Also on the ocean. Also Yeah, and that one that's a r that
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:26)
Deadcom, great. Also on on the ocean. That's a great movie.
Chad (57:32)
I've actually never this one Cole Kidman. Yeah, 'cause I've never
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:35)
Yes. You should watch
Chad (57:36)
seen that one. I I've won I've wanted to. I've it's come up a few times.
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:36)
that, Chad. It's very good.
Chad (57:39)
Yeah.
Chris (57:39)
That's
a that one also, Elizabeth, two men competing for a woman in the ocean, the Yannick space. There's a double layer there of what's happening. It's Billy Zane. Put a cork in it, Zane.
Elizabeth Cantwell (57:46)
There you go. There it is. And it's Billy Zane. And Billy Zane famously was on the Titanic.
Chris (57:55)
He was on the Titanic. Are we just doing Six Degrees of Separation to water movies? Which is also weird because Courtney
Elizabeth Cantwell (58:02)
Yes.
Chris (58:03)
Vance was in the original Broadway production of Six Degrees of Separation, as we just talked. full.
Elizabeth Cantwell (58:06)
Okay. That's full circle.
Chad (58:06)
Yeah.
Chris (58:09)
That's right.
Elizabeth Cantwell (58:10)
no,
I love Sam Neil and I think that he's I think that he it this does not feel like a stereotypical
Chris (58:16)
Yeah,
I think if you're not
Chad (58:17)
No.
Chris (58:18)
listen, we talked about how amazing the sets are, the cinematography, the direction, the performances. The movie is very dense. It's very dense plot wise. It's a puzzle movie, right? Jack has all the pieces, but it works because it's really just like he's the person everyone listens to the least. But like,
Elizabeth Cantwell (58:34)
Mm.
Chris (58:35)
if you're too if you're an hour and forty into this movie and you're like, God
Then you get the you get the Sam Neal scene with with Sean Connery and it's like it's like the most human scene in the film and it's so wonderful. I love that scene.
Elizabeth Cantwell (58:49)
I was just gonna
say too, I think he it's not a very stereotypical Sam Neil part. I think that he much like much like we talked about with Tim Curry, he feels very understated in this part. And I know he doesn't usually play like big characters, but there's something like very restrained and I don't wanna say attrapped is not quite the right thing to say, but like
He his character feels like somebody who doesn't truly believe that they are going to get to be the person they want to be, which makes it feel tragic.
Chris (59:24)
Yeah, it's
like he's he's afraid, but the way that his like everybody else, but the way the way his fear comes out is to go in and talk to the captain and say, What do you want when you get to America? Like, let's have this moment so that I can feel okay. But I do
like he does have that one great moment where there's that one sea hyphen man who
Chad (59:43)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (59:43)
is like bitching about Ramius. Remember where he's like, Yeah, he doesn't he gets like super he gets like more and more upset and then
At it when they have to go full propeller because the saboteur has messed up the silent stealth engine. He's like he's like he'll he's gonna get us all killed. And Sam Neil just does the instant turn and like shove that guy against the wall where he's just like f you
Chad (1:00:06)
Yeah.
Chris (1:00:06)
know, like just like and he's like and then just calmly says the captain knows what he's doing. I was like, That's my boy. I love that shit. It's awesome.
Chad (1:00:12)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:00:12)
Yeah.
Chris (1:00:15)
That's an XO, you're like, I have full respect for this guy as well. Like that was like instant. It was so good.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:00:20)
Yeah.
Chris (1:00:21)
And then he waits for I love where he waits for all of the other officers to leave and then closes the door and he's like, Hey, that the that one guy had a good point and I would never question you in front of the crew, but like, what do you think? And then Ramius is like Doesn't he or does he tell he doesn't tell he tells the whole group, like, I give our chances one and three.
Chad (1:00:38)
Yes, that I did like
that part.
Chris (1:00:40)
Yes, but like with Sam Neil, he doesn't really comfort Sam Neil ever. Which is
Chad (1:00:44)
No.
Chris (1:00:44)
which is good. But they, you know, it happens, you know. Not in Soviet
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:00:47)
Men men don't comfort each other.
Chad (1:00:48)
Yeah.
Chris (1:00:50)
in in Soviet Russia, comfort man's you. but no, I feel like it's definitely like the that like, yeah. This is this is like I wouldn't say this is a bro movie. I would say this is a like
And I also wouldn't say it's like a man movie because that loads it up in like a weird way too, or like over legitimizes it, but it's like it's like a guy movie.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:01:11)
It's well it's like the it's like the quintessence
Chad (1:01:11)
Ha ha.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:01:14)
of like an eighties eighties
Chris (1:01:16)
Eighties guys.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:01:18)
thriller
But I feel like I feel like there was never
nobody had like there there was never a moment where they sat down and said, like, hey, should we think about like including other perspectives? No. Like or like
Chris (1:01:28)
Never even occurred to them. No. That I think John
Chad (1:01:30)
Yeah.
No.
Chris (1:01:31)
McT that
question didn't even come up to John McTiernan. Maybe like in
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:01:34)
No.
Chris (1:01:35)
week seven of Hard Prep, someone was like, It's wild, there's no movies in this. And John McTiernan was like, What? There's no women in this? There's no movies in this. What are you talking about? You're fired. Like it but I feel like no with somebody
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:01:40)
No movies. No no women in it? There's there's no movies in this
Chad (1:01:40)
No movies in this.
Chris (1:01:50)
bringing up there's no women, I feel like everyone is going, I what? You know, like what are you talking about?
We know we haven't talked about is this there's
an apocryphal story, but I don't know if
Chad (1:02:01)
Sean Connery's hair.
Chris (1:02:02)
it's true, but we could but we could talk about that amazing piece. 'Cause that is a very nice piece. That is that no, that's a wig. He 'cause he's bald and he's
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:02:07)
I didn't think he had a wig.
Chad (1:02:08)
It cost a lot of money. Read it, read. No, no, I know.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:02:11)
That's a wig?
Chris (1:02:12)
he's bald and untouchables, guys. Like it's he's like he's
Chad (1:02:14)
Yeah yeah, no I know.
Chris (1:02:16)
and that and that wig is like standing at at Soviet attention. Do you know what I mean? Like the hair on the top of his head is like rail straight.
Chad (1:02:19)
But again, this was from
on the Wikipedia page it said that he w he wanted to look like Beckett, but I don't know if what that even means. I
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:02:29)
Like Samuel Beckett?
Chris (1:02:29)
You mean Samuel Beckett?
Chad (1:02:30)
it it just said Beckett and then it hit a link that I didn't click, but you guys can look on there. But it did say it did say it cost money.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:02:38)
okay.
Chris (1:02:35)
I mean I I could see that. I'm sure it did. Wigs are very expensive.
Chad (1:02:40)
But they said in this thing that that Sean Connery showed up with, did you guys ever see what the the Medicine Man or whatever movie he was in with the long ponytail?
Chris (1:02:49)
was it a ponytail?
Chad (1:02:50)
He showed up with the ponytail and they shot for a couple of days, and everyone was like, This he just doesn't work, this is ridiculous. And then finally Jan Dubont just started laughing as he was like looking at the dailies. And
Chris (1:03:01)
Yeah.
Chad (1:03:01)
so then the whole crew started like.
laughing a lot at his and so finally he's like okay well so I whether that's true or not I don't know it's hilarious to think about.
Chris (1:03:08)
He's like build me a new Soviet hair piece.
Give me give me Ramius' hair
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:12)
Okay, I'm on a I'm on a website. I'm
on a website right now that says he
Chris (1:03:18)
I'm gonna buy Ramius' hair.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:19)
spent more than twenty thousand dollars on on
Chad (1:03:22)
Yes, I told you.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:23)
replacement wigs and reshooting after the director of photography accused him of wearing a quote limp swinging dick, end quote, on his head. That's
Chad (1:03:31)
Yes, that was the line they used so that so Joe Blow was right, yes.
Chris (1:03:32)
Whoa.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:36)
what this
Chris (1:03:36)
Joe Blow.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:37)
says.
Chad (1:03:38)
Yes, that's that's what
I saw in the video. It was great. I was like, That can't really have happen
Chris (1:03:40)
You would imagine that the
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:40)
That he
Chris (1:03:41)
Soviet Navy would not permit that kind of ponytail.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:46)
Yeah, you're right that he came on he came with a ponytail and John McTiernan was like, What the fuck? And then everyone
Chris (1:03:52)
Ha ha.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:03:53)
everyone was really mad at him and Yonda Bant said it looked like a limp dick. And so they had to change it.
Chad (1:03:59)
Well I'm gonna get the bristles going then.
Chris (1:04:01)
I'll
show you, pointy hair.
My hair'll be reaching for the sky the entire two hours and twenty minutes of this film.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:07)
And then he did say, this
is another quote. this is McTiernan remembering. McTiernan McTiernan remembers, quote, Sean
Chris (1:04:14)
McTiernan remembers McTiernan remembers.
Chad (1:04:16)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:19)
had made a thing of going bald nearly 10 years before to prove himself as an actor and that he wasn't going to do anything phony
in front of the camera. I convinced him to go ahead and come up with a specific look, and he said, I want
Chad (1:04:30)
huh.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:30)
to be Samuel Beckett. So we just went
Chad (1:04:33)
Helps me.
Chris (1:04:33)
I could see that.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:34)
for it.
Chris (1:04:35)
I think I could see
Chad (1:04:35)
Yeah.
Chris (1:04:36)
that. Like you the hair is very similar.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:38)
Yeah.
Chad (1:04:38)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:38)
You know what? I think he made a good choice at the end of the day.
Chad (1:04:41)
Yeah.
Chris (1:04:41)
He's wearing Becket's hair in this movie. Yeah. He's like I will buy Samuel Becket's hair. Fine. You think my ponytail is a
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:43)
that's great. That's why it cost him twenty thousand dollars.
Chad (1:04:47)
No.
Chris (1:04:55)
dick? I'll show you,
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:56)
Famous Russian
Chris (1:04:57)
Yan.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:04:57)
famous Russian Samuel Beckett.
Chris (1:04:59)
Famous r famous Soviet
s submarine captain Samuel Beckett. we the the apocryphal the the Remember
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:05:06)
What yeah, what's the apocryphal story?
Chris (1:05:10)
I told you, Elizabeth, that apparently
I don't know if you saw anything about this chad that either approves or d denies it, but like or debunks it. but that the CIA, when Tom Clancy wrote this book and the galleys were out, that top the CIA came to
Or the State Department came to Tom Clancy and they were like, Where did you get the plot for your book? do you have contacts, current contacts in the Navy or intelligence agencies now? And he's No, I'm retired, like blah, blah, blah. And they're like, Who are like what detailed to us your service record in the Navy and etc.? basically like grilled him for a while, which led him to believe that.
Something like this had actually happened. That like a Soviet a
Chad (1:05:57)
wow. No, I haven't heard anything.
Chris (1:05:58)
Soviet captain had surrendered a massive submarine or piece of hardware to the United States government as a means of defection. And like it was like it would basically be like Robert Redford from Three Days of the Condor reading Hunfer at October, going, I think I found one, you know, and then the whole
Chad (1:06:14)
Yeah.
Chris (1:06:15)
office is liquidated. And and then they go talk to Tom Clancy.
Chad (1:06:18)
But you're s you're saying this is unconfirmed
or this is okay.
Chris (1:06:20)
Unconfirmed, but this is the story
that I remember hearing years and years and years ago that like
Chad (1:06:24)
okay.
Chris (1:06:24)
basically the CIA came to Tom Clancy and they were like, How did you put this together?
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:06:29)
I mean I
will say the CIA is good at making you think that they think that you know something that you don't know. So I don't know if I don't know if
Chris (1:06:36)
Wha Write that write that movie.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:06:41)
But that's how
Chad (1:06:42)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:06:42)
it works though.
Chris (1:06:43)
That's how it works, according to my yeah, we I mean, we basically have Jack Ryan on this podcast with us.
Chad (1:06:54)
Jackie Ryan.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:06:51)
I could be Jack Ryan. I could be.
Chris (1:06:51)
I feel like I feel like watching this this version of Jack Ryan that Jackie Ryan Jackie Ryan
said like Jackie Brown Jackie Ryan. I I think that
Chad (1:07:00)
Yeah.
Chris (1:07:02)
I think Elizabeth, you and I were watching this and I was like, had you stayed in a CIA, especially like writing
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:06)
That would have been me.
Chris (1:07:08)
history books and doing stuff like that, like I was like, you could have done you could have been Jack Ryan. But I also feel like I also feel like you'd be married to Gates living in London.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:10)
Yeah. I could have. I'd be married to Gates McFadden. Yeah.
Chad (1:07:11)
Yeah.
Chris (1:07:20)
But I also think like and you're afraid to fly, which we talked about. I'm very afraid to fly. And it's
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:23)
I am. I don't like flying.
Chad (1:07:24)
Yeah.
Chris (1:07:25)
because of your helicopter accident in Vietnam. So it all is
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:28)
That is correct, replied.
Chad (1:07:28)
Ha ha
Chris (1:07:29)
but I think like we took I but I think that y I'm trying to think of like how far you would get into the movie where you'd be like, These subdoors don't look right. That sounds like you'd get there.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:39)
Yeah.
Chris (1:07:39)
I'm gonna go talk to Jeffrey Jones at the
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:41)
Yep.
Chris (1:07:41)
submarine factory. That feels like you would do that. And then it would be like, Yeah, we go
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:44)
I could do that. I'd be like, let's
Chad (1:07:44)
Windows. Give you some windows on the side.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:07:47)
build some windows. Have you guys thought about this?
Chris (1:07:48)
Where are the windows? And then and then Jackie Ryan. And then I'm trying to think of
Chad (1:07:51)
Jackie Ryan, that's a great point.
Yeah.
Chris (1:07:57)
where we'd get you. You'd then we would get you to the aircraft carrier and you'd
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:01)
Sure.
Chris (1:08:02)
be like, I think he's trying to defect, and you'd be like, and they'd be like, I don't know, like we have our orders. Would you would you speak up would you
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:07)
But I have such feminine charm that I w could convince them.
Chris (1:08:10)
speak up with the Secretary of Defense in that and the National Security Advisor in that scene? Would you shut down the general?
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:14)
I would I would.
Chad (1:08:16)
I d I feel like Elizabeth
would.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:17)
I could do that.
I could totally do that. Yeah. Yeah. Because Chris Chris, you
Chris (1:08:19)
Would you shut down the general where you're like, actually, General, have you have you met Captain Ramius? I have, at a banquet dinner.
Chad (1:08:21)
If she believed she had the truth, she'd do it.
Ha ha
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:28)
know how stubborn I am about when I think I'm right about something.
Chris (1:08:33)
Here's where I think it would go awry is is I think we would get you all the way into the
helicopter and then you would you would abort and you would go back into the helicopter. I think I think they'd be lowing you down and you're like,
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:41)
I don't think I could do the stunt. I don't think I could do the stunt. The stunt would be difficult.
Chris (1:08:48)
bring me back up! Give me up in the helicopter!
Chad (1:08:50)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:51)
But they wouldn't hear me 'cause the wind would be too loud.
Chris (1:08:53)
But they'd pick you back up and then
you'd and then you'd
Chad (1:08:53)
Yeah.
Chris (1:08:55)
be like, darn it and then in World War Three would
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:08:58)
Ha ha
Chad (1:08:58)
Yeah.
Chris (1:08:59)
happen.
Chad (1:08:59)
Jackie Ryan's done
it again.
Chris (1:09:01)
Jackie Ryan Get in the water, Jackie Ryan.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:09:03)
I did you know
what? As we're talking about the movie, I think maybe I liked it even more than I thought. It was really good.
Chris (1:09:11)
I'm
Chad (1:09:09)
I w well, I was
gonna say at the beginning,
Chris (1:09:11)
telling you.
Chad (1:09:12)
I gave it three and a half on Letterboxd too, but by the next day I was like, That no, that's that's that's in the fours or the four and half.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:09:17)
Yeah.
Chad (1:09:18)
So it took a little time. I I think I was just put out a little bit by I'm not exactly sure I know everything that happened, but then I realized like, well that's not important. I reca I re recognize enough.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:09:24)
Yeah. No, it does feel like
it can carry the the the movie is so well made that if you miss a few plot turns, it doesn't matter. It's okay. And you get back on board.
Chad (1:09:37)
Yeah. And
but you don't realize that till the end. So if I watch it again and be like, okay, even though I don't understand this part, that's okay. But instead I was like, no, I'm not gonna understand the final denounce or whatever, because you know. But I did.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:09:44)
I do think I'd like to Yeah. Yeah. No, I think I'd
Chad (1:09:52)
It's about f fishing with poetry. The poetry was made up, by the way. I read that somewhere too.
Chris (1:09:54)
It's three it's three subs. That's where i it starts to get it's it get you get tripped up. Though
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:09:55)
It's about f it's about fishing.
Chad (1:10:01)
No, really.
Chris (1:10:02)
That's amazing. I'll write my own poetry.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:10:03)
That's great.
Chad (1:10:04)
Yeah, I mean
But he's but he says it's like do they say it's Whitman or Hold on, hold on, I've got a poem coming in from the hair
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:10:08)
Is it Beckett? It's not it's not Beckett.
Chris (1:10:10)
Is it Beckett? It was it k yeah. Hey everyb Yon, look at this. The poetry came
with the hair.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:10:21)
Ha ha.
Chris (1:10:21)
The poetry was inside the hair
Chad (1:10:22)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (1:10:23)
John, let's put it in the script.
Chad (1:10:24)
can't remember where I I definitely
read that it was made up though, but I don't even know how to type that into
Chris (1:10:27)
Just made up poetry,
that's funny. Where they're just like, We
can't find anything. Where like they d it
Chad (1:10:30)
Hunt for red ox.
Chris (1:10:32)
and that's like the the pre internet where they're like, We're not going to library. That'd take a day. really funny.
Chad (1:10:36)
the Hunt
for Red October poetry gave me a lot of poems about the Hunt for Red October. Yeah. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:10:41)
I could write a poem about the hunt for Red October.
Chris (1:10:41)
Okay.
The other line I quote from this chat is also Sam Neil where he is reading the Morse code with the binoculars going Red October, Red October. I say that a lot. I feel like that and the
Chad (1:10:57)
That's why it's his movie. He gets to say the title.
Chris (1:10:59)
Give me one give me one ping the silly. That that's also I feel like is in there. Those are good lines.
Chad (1:11:06)
it says, Okay, here we go. The poetic line is completely made up by the movie Screenwriters and does not exist in any writings or logs by Christopher
Chris (1:11:12)
Yeah.
Chad (1:11:13)
Columbus. Yeah, but I f I I remember
Chris (1:11:15)
it's a Christopher Columbus line they just made up? That's fine.
Chad (1:11:17)
that now. He's like, yeah.
Chris (1:11:18)
If you're gonna misattribute somebody, just make it Christopher Columbus.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:11:20)
I mean, yeah,
Chad (1:11:21)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:11:21)
we
can make we can make up anything we want about him. sh
Chad (1:11:25)
Yeah. Well and John
Millius I he did a lot of like of the script doctrine. Yeah. Yeah. That was awesome.
Chris (1:11:27)
Yeah, John Milius like rewrote the speeches and stuff, right? He came in
and rewrote all of Tim Curry's lines where
he's like, Captain Like Milius
Chad (1:11:34)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (1:11:35)
was like, I know what he should do.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:11:38)
Milius is never wrong.
Chris (1:11:40)
Millius sat down with his typewriter and his nickel
plated revolver, and he was like, I got a speech for Ramius. Watch this.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:11:47)
Okay, well this is a great conversation about the hunt for Red October. I don't I don't think we covered most of the movie. I think we left a lot of it out. But
Chris (1:11:56)
Yeah we did.
Chad (1:11:58)
We c I mean if you if you rearrange it, it's I think we talked about
Chris (1:12:01)
We talked about
how the guy was in the nanny. That's pretty granular.
Chad (1:12:02)
all of it.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:12:04)
Th
we got we got
Chad (1:12:05)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:12:06)
down to some details.
Chad (1:12:07)
And Chris, it was so great to have you on the podcast officially. thank you so much for being a part of all this and for enlightening us with your many Hunt for Red October granularities.
Chris (1:12:18)
Hey, my pleasure. It was really nice to be here.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:12:21)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (1:12:24)
well
Chad (1:12:23)
Can you share what you're working on these days?
Chris (1:12:25)
everybody knows because it leaked, but I'm on I'm currently working on lantern season two.
Chad (1:12:33)
Yes.
Chris (1:12:34)
I had nothing to do with season one, so don't come at me with season one stuff.
Chad (1:12:36)
Yeah.
Chris (1:12:39)
the season one premieres Sunday, august seventeenth.
and yeah, we're we're in season two now. And then my my show, The Terror, Devil and Silver, will re repremiere on September twentieth, on AMC normal, AMC not plus, AMC AMC
Chad (1:12:58)
AMC proper. Yeah.
Chris (1:13:00)
unleaded, AMC regular, and on cable. So if anybody still has cable out there, you can watch it week to week and it'll build right.
Up through spooky season into Halloween, our six episode limited series, which I'm really, really proud of. and then based
Chad (1:13:16)
Based based on the book by
Chris (1:13:18)
on the book by Victor Laval, a genius who also co-ran
Chad (1:13:21)
Yes.
Chris (1:13:22)
this thing with me, alongside director Karin Kusama, produced by Ridley Scott and David Zucker.
it's really good.
I'm I'm I'm very proud of the show and and how that came together. So I'm glad we get another as they say, bite of the apple when it premieres
Chad (1:13:39)
Ha ha ha.
Chris (1:13:40)
September twentieth and runs for six weeks through Halloween. It'll scare you to death. And then it's not very
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:13:46)
It's very it's also very sad.
Chris (1:13:48)
sad. It's well I'll say the first three episodes are the first three episodes yeah,
Chad (1:13:50)
Webby and it's incredibly sad.
Chris (1:13:52)
the very first th the first three episodes are a a good hang and then we just start pulling levers and dropping bodies and we're just gonna we're just gonna drive you into the ground.
But it has a nice inflection point up at the end that I think is nice. It is a very much a horror story about our contemporary era. And then I've got Star Trek number one, which comes out September 23rd. It's the relaunch of the main flagship Star Trek comic book. It's the story of the Enterprise G, Captain Seven of Nine. it's the 60th anniversary of
Chad (1:14:17)
Wow, I didn't know about that one. That's great.
Chris (1:14:19)
Star Trek this year, and we get to do the new enterprise story for the year.
Chad (1:14:24)
Wow.
Chris (1:14:24)
F FOC for anyone listening to this, if there's anyone still listening to this.
Who understands what FOC stan means? It just means go to your local comic shop and and tell your store owner, order me some Star Trek number one and put it on my pull list and they will do it for you. that FOC date is is August 17th. Book comes out nine twenty three. That's my plugs. I I plugged it. I plugged it all. I plugged it.
Chad (1:14:47)
Yeah. That
was that was some great plug in.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:14:48)
And even though even though you didn't work on season, yeah, even though
you didn't work on season one of Lanterns, people should still watch it so that you can stay employed for season two. Plus I hear, and I haven't seen I haven't
Chad (1:15:01)
Mm-hmm.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:15:02)
seen season one, obviously Chris has, but I hear it is an incredible season of television. so I'm gonna watch it. I'm gonna watch it.
Chad (1:15:08)
Yeah, I don't I don't know how Coach Taylor's gonna do it.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:15:11)
I love Kyle Chandler. I'm very
Chris (1:15:14)
It's
Chad (1:15:14)
Yes.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:15:15)
excited to see Aaron Pierre.
And to see the whole cast.
Chad (1:15:18)
This is the one where he
Chris (1:15:19)
It's gonna be great. I it's
Chad (1:15:19)
gets the events
in the newspaper like the day before it happens. Yeah. Okay.
Chris (1:15:23)
Early edition. So early edition came up in the writer's room yesterday and the young the the
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:15:23)
That was a great show.
Chris (1:15:28)
younger assistants did not know what that show was. And it it's amazing how fast I
Chad (1:15:32)
Blasphemy. To be fair, they were born like twenty years after, but
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:15:32)
They didn't know it.
Chris (1:15:36)
it's true, like it like but I it's I am it's amazing how easy it is to pitch that show, which is which is like he gets tomorrow's newspaper that day and then he has to fix it. And that's literally it. Like that's and it's great.
Chad (1:15:47)
Yeah. It's like quantum
leap.
Chris (1:15:50)
Yeah, I I said I said it's
kind of like a lower rent, easier and more
Chad (1:15:53)
Well.
Chris (1:15:53)
modular quantum leap. He doesn't have to go anywhere.
He just has to go like, man, a murder? You know, like fix that, you know. But no, I think this is for comic book people. This is season one is the best Hal Jordan story that I have encountered in comics or anything else. I say it I don't say that lightly. I think it's the best platforming of Jon Stewart.
Chad (1:16:13)
That's awesome.
Chris (1:16:14)
That's the most con cohesive of the character that I've seen.
Over that character's fifty plus year history. it's it's so fun and the people behind it are are phenomenal talents, so you you gotta s you gotta see it. It's it's got everything for everybody. no submarines, but but you know, we could try to we could for see yeah, I mean if you if you re if if it if it's yeah,
Chad (1:16:31)
Fantastic. No submarines. Yeah. Season two might have a little bit of starboard.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:16:33)
There's still a chance you could still put it in.
Chris (1:16:39)
we just we just do a green construct submarine you know, or
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:16:43)
Can't be
that hard.
Chris (1:16:44)
We
could yeah. I mean, I feel like some one of these guys could pull that off easy. Just point into the ocean and make a submarine and and then
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:16:51)
Yeah.
Chris (1:16:51)
get in it. You know, like that's it's that simple.
Chad (1:16:51)
There you go.
Chris, we don't understand why we're shooting this scene. it makes sense. Don't worry.
Chris (1:16:57)
Hey, don't worry, man. We're good. It's
all good. It's just he's got a ring. He can make a submarine with the ring. He can
Chad (1:17:04)
A submarine, yeah.
Chris (1:17:05)
it's a submarine. Come on.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:17:07)
Chad, have
you been do you have anything to plug or recommend, Chad?
Chad (1:17:11)
yeah, I was just gonna keep it short though, 'cause it was the other movie we were discussing doing, but based on a a lot of positive feedback I'd heard about a movie that I just for some reason never watched. I watched Anatomy of a Murder this week as well, and I just with the autoprimager one with
Chris (1:17:26)
So good.
Chad (1:17:26)
Jimmy Stewart and Jar George Scott and wow. That was a fantastic movie in every possible way. can't recommend it enough. All of if there's anyone left, if I'm not the last person on earth to have seen it, well worth the over two hours of time. It
It flies by as much as a courtroom drama can fly by, which for me is very quickly. I love all that stuff. Gives you the nuts and bolts of mechanics of stuff, some judges' chambers stuff. I found out since you guys saw it, you the the judge? he was the guy who said to I'm
Chris (1:17:53)
McCarthy, right?
Chad (1:17:54)
Yeah, to McCarthy, have you no shame.
Chris (1:17:57)
Yeah.
Chad (1:17:57)
that
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:17:57)
Yeah.
Chad (1:17:57)
that was the guy who played the judge and so I guess everyone knew that too. but it's just
Chris (1:18:00)
No, it's just really cool. We saw it we just saw it recently
too, so we went down the same path, yeah.
Chad (1:18:04)
Yeah, yeah, that's and that
when Elizabeth wrote something about remember when we had actors or something like that? I was like, yeah, I should watch this
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:18:09)
Yeah.
Chad (1:18:09)
movie. Everyone gives it five stars and and I did as well. So that would be my recommendation. just a good good watch.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:18:15)
Very good.
Chris (1:18:15)
Great.
Such a good movie.
Chad (1:18:17)
Anything from you, Elizabeth?
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:18:19)
hmm. I I was gonna say
Chris (1:18:20)
Detour.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:18:23)
I watched a cause I'm gonna teach this noir class in a couple weeks and I've been watching some noir films that I didn't know and I've watched this movie called The Hitchhiker by directed by Ida Lupino, which some people think
Chad (1:18:36)
Mm. Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:18:38)
is some people classify as the first noir directed by a woman.
I had never seen it. I loved it. I thought it was super weird, super interesting. Lots of like strange gender dynamics in sexual dynamics going on that you could see her playing with in a coded way at the time. so yeah, if you've never seen
Ida Lupino's the Hitchhiker. It is free on Amazon Prime. I
Chad (1:19:02)
Okay.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:19:03)
it was not a very good transfer. I mean, as is true of some of those older movies, you feel like you can kind of see like the TV lines in the in,
Chris (1:19:10)
What a what a shame.
Chad (1:19:10)
Yeah.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:19:11)
but it was, but it was, I mean, I didn't mind, you know. I found it like really interesting, well shot, well directed, cool little film. So I think I'm gonna I'm throwing that on my syllabus.
Chad (1:19:22)
Alright. Well the next time we record you will be teaching.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:19:27)
Yeah.
Chad (1:19:28)
Yeah. Good luck with that. Yeah, it was. Thanks. are we ready to s
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:19:30)
Thank you. this was fun, guys.
Chris (1:19:33)
This was fun. Yeah, this was great. I hope your voice feels better.
Chad (1:19:38)
thank you. it got either better or worse during I couldn't tell. It it doesn't hurt as much to do it.
Chris (1:19:42)
I think you p I think it came
I think it came back a little bit. I hope the smoke clears.
Chad (1:19:45)
Yeah. Well, I I have got
a I I rise to the challenge, you know. d
Chris (1:19:50)
Just like Captain Ramius.
Chad (1:19:52)
just like Marco Schremius.
Chris (1:19:55)
Marka Marcos Remias.
Chad (1:19:59)
yeah, so farewell for another month and Chris, it was fantastic to see you in person and then on the screen back to back months. And
Chris (1:20:07)
Yeah.
Chad (1:20:07)
Elizabeth, it's always fun to see you every month. So yeah. All right, peace out.
Chris (1:20:09)
Yeah. Alright guys. I'll see you for our main
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:20:10)
Always good.
Chris (1:20:12)
fishing trip. Alright. See ya then. Alright, bye.
Chad (1:20:13)
All right, sounds good. I'll be in Montana. Bye.
Elizabeth Cantwell (1:20:16)
Bye.