Elsbeth: Season 3, Episode 9 - Glamazons

In “Glamazons,” Elsbeth and the squad investigate the death of a supermodel at the 20th anniversary “Glamazons” photo event — where old rivalries and decade‑old grudges take center stage. Tiff’s past with fellow model Madison unravels into a lethal mix of revenge, jealousy, and spilled benzos, sending Madison tumbling off a loft in a shocking fall. As Buzz and Grace try to make sense of the chaos, Elsbeth’s keen instincts uncover the truth behind the staged alibi and dormant resentments. Along the way, Grace takes a stab at stand‑up comedy, Wagner dusts off his trombone, and the mystery of model‑house drama draws deeper. With a satisfying confession and a new generation of “Sheroes” in play, justice is served — Elsbeth style.

Timestamps:
00:02 – Introduction and banter on 90s models and “Glamazons” nostalgia
00:08 – Tiff and Madison’s fraught history revealed
00:12 – The fatal loft fall: Madison’s death investigated
00:15 – Elsbeth, Buzz & Grace on the Glamazons case
00:22 – Wagner’s unexpected trombone moment & stand‑up comedy subplot
00:29 – Elsbeth uncovers the crucial evidence against Tiff
00:34 – Case closed: Tiff arrested, new “Sheroes” emerge

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# Elsbeth S3 E9

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking Ellizabeth, season three, episode nine. And Glamazons, I'm one of your illustration Reed with me as always. The woman who has coined the term nerd is on Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good? I'm good. Jason. You good? I'm good. I'm good. I'm a proud nerd on. Yeah.

Listen, I, I I'm, I would, I could, I could be a male version of a nerd design. Yeah. What would that be like? A nerd? A nerd. Nerd. A nerd dude. Like a nerd. A nerd. Donis a nerd. Oh, yeah. Yeah, nerd. I like it. I like it. That's good. That's good. Uh, yeah, we're good here. Uh, almost I think halfway, almost halfway through the season.

Three of all, almost not like we're counting, not like we're, we're not counting, we we're not counting Marissa. Okay. Um, so yeah, we're here episode nine. Uh, another. Another Elsworth episode, much like [00:01:00] a lot of the other Elsworth episodes. Um, I will say I liked, uh, the Murderer in this episode. I, I, I think it's, it's interesting what I can feel for some of the murderers, like mm-hmm.

I can feel their plight. It's not really like someone that is out for greed or someone that's out for this, that this something was definitely like, done dirty to this person and they, they exacted their revenge. I was like, you know what I mean? I'm okay with it. I'm okay. I think they, they were a revenge on.

Oh, revenge is on. I like that. That's good. That's real good. Um, before we dive deep into the episode, we want to remind you of some free and easy ways you can help this podcast. You can do that by reviewing, rating, subscribing, wherever it is you're watching or listening to this podcast. Uh, we greatly appreciate it 'cause it does help us get into the eyes and ears of more people, helps us, uh, dive into the algorithms and get, and, and work our way into people's eyes and ears.

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As we are a independent not-for-profit podcast. Please consider donating to your local podcasters today. Yes. Um, so with all that, all the way Marcel, let's get into the episode. All right. As you mentioned, Jason, this is. This episode is titled Glamazons. Before we dig into it a little bit, do you remember the nineties Model Palooza of?

Very vaguely. Very vaguely. Yeah. I mean, mercy, you, you are, you're much, much older than I am. Oh, okay. Oh, so you probably have a better memory of it than me. Oh, Uhhuh. You know, I was a, I was a wee boy in the nineties. Um, so, you know, I, I don't know. I, I don't know what to tell you. Yeah. Someone, someone as young as me, uh, probably wouldn't remember as much, you know, you know, [00:03:00] besides seeing some, some covers in some, uh, you know, some grocery stores.

Uh, you probably have a better memory of it. 'cause you were much, so then you don't remember Nin Turtles at all either. I mean. I, I do, I do. Okay. But that was, that was more catered to my age group. Right. Oh, oh. You know, I was, I was so young, I didn't even like realize what, like, women were, well, like models were, right.

I, I was focused on car. Like did I, but did I know who April O'Neal was? I know you did. Yes. You're damn right. I did. Is is that, is that yellow April O'Neal jumpsuit, like ingrained in my brain? Yeah. From a young, young lad for sure. But I don't know if I was paying too much attention to the supermodel world.

Yeah. It was definitely a thing for me being a young woman ish in the nineties. Like, I was born in the late eighties, so I was definitely like mm-hmm. In the double digits of my life in the nineties. And so, [00:04:00] uh, very impressionable, you know, like, gimme the 17 magazine, give me all of that stuff so that I can be cool even though I'm not 17.

Like all that stuff. Um, so for me, when I look back at this era, it is definitely like, oh my God, I need to be skinnier and I need to walk funny, and I need to have a lot of makeup on. You know, like, that's kind of where I, but these were really big personalities and, um, these women like shaped fashion and like culture.

It was like, we didn't have Instagram. Like there were no Kardashians, there were no influencers. These were the influencers who would go into a magazine and say, like, in my purse, I keep blah, blah, blah. Or before, uh, before a show, I use this hairspray or something like that. And that would be the influencing of the time.

So the glamazons that we meet here, who do we think their, like real world, like counterparts were, I tried to do some research to see if there were any direct like callouts, but the, there are people like Cindy Crawford, um, uh, who else? There was, yeah, that's like Kate [00:05:00] Moss thing. Yeah. There was Kate Moss.

There's a lot of other people too. Like Tyra Banks was considered one as well. Okay. Um, like the people who are like known for modeling, like Yeah, those, yeah. I get it. Like I, I think, I think Model House is definitely like a thing. That would be a thing. Yes, yes. Um, but yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that was like in the nineties, if that was a thing or not.

I don't know if like, I mean, I don't know either. I wanted to talk about that a little bit too, because. Looking at that with the 2025 lens is a little creepy for me. Well, I mean, but the, but I think the hou the quote unquote, houses have kind of had a resurgence as like, you hear about things like TikTok houses, TikTok, like hype houses.

Yeah. Where like all these, uh, influencers all get together and shoot content and all these things. So I, I think it's actually a little more, uh, it's had a resurgence in the last like, probably five to 10 years. Yes. Um, than it was in the early s Right. So I think it's, it's a weirdly making a comeback and it's [00:06:00] probably as toxic, if not more toxic than it probably was back in the nineties.

Um, I mean, especially since there's a bigger lens on it as there is like. There's content being shot there all the time. I, I'm sure in model houses didn't have someone live streaming 24 7. All the nonsense drama. So I think, I think even now it's probably even more of a crazy thing. You, and probably even more, um, hyped up for like content than anything else.

Yes. It's not, uh, drama in a model house was probably a lot more natural and real than drama and content done in this houses. Well, it's like America's next top model, like all the time. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, just to forgive my brain fart, or from earlier before some other popular names of the era where Claudia Schiffer, Lin Linde Evangelista, Naomi Campbell, Tyra Banks, Helena Christensen.

Christy Turlington, um, yeah. Uh, what's her name was Deep Dickinson something. Dickinson. Angie Dickinson. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:07:00] yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that's all those names you said was like, oh, ring a bell. Ring a bell, ring gonna a bell, probably, you know, heard about later in my life, because, you know, oh, of course.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Obviously child. Uh, but yeah, I think, uh, I, I think these four, these, well, these two women that were really highlighted here in, well, there three actually, TIFF Madison and Nadine, of course, who we had met previously. Yeah. Uh, were all, and they just kind of, uh, brushed to the side. Whoever this black woman was like, why we, the black lady?

Can't get some love. I can't even meet this black. Like, we seen a black lady in the Glamazons photo. She'd like, I can't even meet her. I don't even know. I can't even know who her name was. Oh, no. And then like, the framing of like the new era was like, this girl ca like escaped Somalia. It wasn't even like, like.

We couldn't have just like, you know, a black model. It had to be like some sort of charity case type of situation. But I did love that though because when they were introducing these people, they're like, uh, NA, na Nare, who escaped war in South Sudan? Um, what was the other [00:08:00] girl's name? Uh, someone from Kiev and then the A DH, adhd.

I, I laughed at that part. She's like, and this is Harper. She's from New Jersey, and she suffers from a DHD. Like, oh, all these women are dealing with so many pictures. I was like, I, I out. And I was like, that's kind of funny because it just shows, it just shows like the ridiculousness of like, uh, the, the, the dichotomy of like first and third world problems.

Yeah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So funny. So good. Yes. Uh, well, let's, uh, talk about how we get to meet these people. Uh, this is, it is the 20th anniversary of the Glamazons Shoot, which is apparently like what, a very famous shoot where they got all together, took a cover for a magazine, and it's been 25 years since that happened.

And we are in a bar, I think, in Pennsylvania somewhere, and we see Madison come in to talk to Tiff who's behind the bar, and Madison is like, Hey, it's, you know, time to bury the hatchet. Like, you should just come, come to the photo shoot. It's fine. Like, and we [00:09:00] learn that Tiff is like, well, what about that night?

Like, we don't really know what happened. That night. Night. But we see that Tiff is wearing a eye patch and something happened that she is obviously holding some sort of grudge against Madison for. And um, just to pause for a moment, I did want to highlight the cameo that we have here. Um. Tip is being played by Jamie Presley.

Jamie Presley, who I think in, in the late, late, late, late nineties, like I'm talking like 1999 to early two thousands, uh, I think really rose to prominence as like, you know, how do I say that? Hot girl in all of the, you know, uh, teen movies, I guess I, yeah, yeah, yeah. For, in that way. And so Jamie Perley was ly featured in those types of movies to begin her career.

And I think she really kind of like came back with a, uh, she ca uh, like I will always remember Jamie Perley from, my name is Earl. I usually love that show. And she was, she was a great part of [00:10:00] that show. And then she popped back up in, uh, the Show Mom, which is another sitcom, which I also, uh, enjoyed. Um, so yeah, she's, I, I think she's more known for me, for her, like comedic, uh, chops rather than just kind of being the, the hot girl in these movies.

So like, that's, that's what I more know Jane Presley from. I think she's a terrific actress. I thought like. I know she really brought it here in this episode of Elizabeth, more than a lot of other, at these other like, bigger name guest stars you've had. I really enjoyed her portrayal here. Yeah, agreed.

Agreed. Uh, Madison is like, yeah, it's time to know, like bury the hatchet to just like, what about that night? Blah, blah, blah, blah. And basically at the end of this, uh, Madison's like, okay, well you think about it, you come to New York, come to the for the shoot, you think about it. I'm just gonna leave this bag of cash here.

Yeah. And, and we also learned that like when, when Tiff offers Ma Madison a drink, she's like, I've already had like a benzo today, so I can't have alcohol. Which plays into the case later. Good on you, Madison, for being responsible [00:11:00] with your drugs, you know? Um, but we do, I think the, the thing here is that, like Tiff and Madison, we, we don't know much at this point in the beginning, but we know they have some sort of like, rivalry, some sort of like, uh, begrudging, like frenemies you could probably call it.

Yeah. Well, and I will say like the, during the nineties also because all of these women were writing like towards fame, it was, we had not reached the women helping women era of our conversation as a society. Uh, it definitely was like women tearing down, women competing for other things. So this is very on par with like the model culture of the nineties at least.

Yeah. We get a little bit of a prologue in the form of, uh, Julian who will meet throughout the, the episode kind of giving us a background of like, you know, TIFF and Madison were, were fierce rivals in a modeling world, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Tiff got be, had some kind of accident befall her and essentially because when Madison and Tiff were talking in Tiff's bar.

Uh, they've obviously not seen each other for a while, and Madison kind of let [00:12:00] something slip of like, oh, I felt so bad about what happened to you that morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this kind of takes Tiff on to be like, what you mean that morning? Because, you know, nobody knew what happened to me until like later that day.

So what do you mean? So this really gives Tiff an idea of like, Hmm, maybe Madison has something more to do with what happened to me, which we'll learn. We don't really know what happens to Tiff until much later in the episode, but it's like maybe Madison has something more to do with what happened to me than, uh.

Then we know Yes. Or Tiff knows this really good 'cause you know, Madison is visiting Tiff to visit her to, uh, to invite her to the 25th anniversary photo shoot they're trying to do for the Glamazons, which I kind of like the, the Avengers of the modeling world, I guess it was considered as, which is funny because Tiff now has an eye patch like Nick Fury.

So Yeah. And she Yes, yes. And also, yeah, she tries with Nick Fury later on Yes. In the episode. Um, so that's funny. So I think this gives Tiff an idea of like, oh, maybe I'll, maybe [00:13:00] I'll head it down to New York and see what's going, what's going down, and maybe, maybe I'll do some stuff on there. Yeah. So she walks in and everyone's like, oh my God, it's Jeff's here.

This is so crazy. And we as an audience are like, oh my God, Nadine. Nadine is here. And you know, NA, I just love how Nadine hangs out with all of these people. Yeah. And it's funny how like the two people that have like popped up a lot in this, in this series have come from like the same episode. 'cause like it's Nadine and it's that older black gentleman that was like, yes.

Uh, the the main, the the, I guess the main designer in that episode. Yeah. Uh, oh. Yeah. And the, the older, the older gentleman from, uh, from the plastic surgery episode also is a doctor that pops up here and there. But Na, Nadine has, oh yeah. Yeah. Nadine has been kind of like the most constant cameo and she really, like, when she comes in, she really like, is involved in the story a little bit.

So like, I love when Laura, Laura Bonati shows up here as Nadine because it's, it's so funny because I think the, the genesis [00:14:00] of the Nadine character kind of comes from her, uh, making fun of Melania Trump in the, uh, what was it, Colbert, was it, was she on Colbert? Yeah. On the co Yeah. Or on the Late show with Stephen Colbert.

Yeah. So like it's funny that that that one character from that, uh, from that thing that she does is kind of like Pop repopulated here as a different character. And is, she's constantly coming in to help our, to help Lizabeth out. Yes. Yes. And we, this is where we're introduced to the women we were talking about earlier.

Um, you know, someone from Kiev, someone Fromm, and someone who was s from New Jersey suffering a DH, ADHD at the Sheroes, they're being called Yes. Branded as like the new, the new Glamazons, the sheroes. Um, and they ask Nadine about her model, office supply business. Yeah. Not going great. Not going great. And we're also introduced to Madison's husband, tj.

He's kind of their manager. He's kind of a creep. Mm-hmm. And we, like you had mentioned Julian, um, who's like. A reporter who's been [00:15:00] like, apparently he cl he coined the term Glamazon. He is also at this party. He's like, this is a moment. It's here. But then he's also asking a lot of questions and TJ does not like this.

No, TJ's TJ's doesn't like, uh, when, when, uh, T's attack is talked about and what, what happened when tips attack and you know, I, I guess Julian is, is the one that kind of like kicked off this whole thing with Tiff. 'cause he got, he's kind of responsible for Tiff being in the, uh, in the zeitgeist. But then, you know, TJ kicks Julian out.

We see Tiff grabbing TJ's glass and we're like, oh, what you about to do with that Tiff? What you gonna do with that? Yeah, exactly. And I think like she was okay with it. Like you were saying, like, she's not like okay with it, but she was like, oh, okay, here's an opportunity. I don't know if she went to this party thinking about doing what she ends up doing, but she definitely takes advantage of the situation.

Well, I definitely think I, I think she was definitely, she had this idea was birthed in the, shortly after, in the moment after the bar? [00:16:00] Yeah. No, no. Oh, after the bar to begin with. She's like, I'm, yeah, this is, I'm gonna do this. This is the thing I'm gonna do. Because she now realizes that like, oh, Madison has something to do with this this's.

What's going on? Well, the sheroes are headed off to the garbage vodka party, um, which just is so 2025. It's vodka made from garbage, which I just, I I was like, yes, this, what's happening? Yeah. Apparently his vodka is like, uh, uh, promoted by David Attenborough or like, yeah, yeah. His first vodka. I was like, and only, and I hope they like, called David Attenborough before this and said, Hey, we're gonna do this.

But anyway, makes total, well the, shes are over there. Um, TIFF kind of sneaks back in the house and takes out, um, and mixes Madison. A drink that includes some of. Those benzos and basically brings it up to her. Okay, so we've got kitchen down here. Madison standing up on a loft drink, transported [00:17:00] up to the loft, and Tiff goes in for the, like she basically, the second Madison has a sip of that drink.

She's like, well what about my accident? What all about? All this stuff basically confessed and Madison's like, it wasn't me, it was tj. And she's like, basically, I don't care. I'm gonna push you off the sledge. This, this was interesting because I think we're, we're used to seeing so many interesting ways of people being killed.

This was so like, this was so hardcore. She's just like pushed her off the loft we see, we literally see Madison. This was like very visceral. We literally see Madison go like bounce her head off a pool table like Coco and fall to her death. I was like, oh, that was kind of like, that was kind of wild. Yeah.

Yeah. This is also the first episode in a long time. We actually see a body and a body bag in the next mm-hmm. Scene. Mm-hmm. Uh, and Ellizabeth is on the scene, which again, we don't, we haven't seen in a while because of the way that they've kind of played with the format from time to time. Um, TJ is like super upset.

She's, he's like the benzos help, I [00:18:00] mean, helped her like very distraught. He's like, I was in my man cave. I wasn't even here. The other models show up. Um, and they were like, no one else is home. 'cause we were drinking the garbage vodka. Um, and also assigned to this case, besides Elsbeth is of course Buzz and Grace.

Yeah. Buzz and Grace, who I guess are now just like a permanent team. Like, I dunno if we'll see one without the other from, from here forward. 'cause we, I think a few episodes ago was like the really the forming of their partnership and bond, they were able to like bond over, uh, whiteboards or something, or whatever it was.

Office supplies, like analog office supplies, like mm-hmm. Making with index cards and everything. Um, yes. So Buzz automatically like recognizes Tiff too from, you know, the nineties and Tiff here is like kind of prejudice against the police because they didn't seem to help her out in her [00:19:00] situation, which I don't really blame her.

Uh, later Elsbeth is talking to the Glamazons and, um, Elsbeth talks about her haircut in the nineties for moment, she said, at a pixie cut in law school and looked like Meg Ryan. I, I thought though those were cute little ways, but I thought that there were, like, I would've loved to have seen a photo of that.

You know what I mean? Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. I love how I was, I was talking about her tamagotchi. I was like, I can, I can totally see Ellsworth, like I was obsessing over a tamagotchi. I mean, I'm surprised she still doesn't have one or she doesn't have a lu boo booo at the moment. Like, these are things that I think should be apart.

Tamagotchis aren't the same. No. But it's like very trendy type of, yes. And also like, who knows? She's lost Kaya, who knows where Teddy is. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, just something, some sort of comfort something. Um, Marissa, how many Tamagotchis did you go through in the I didn't, I didn't. I could not in the, for the life of me, I could not keep one [00:20:00] alive.

Yeah. I, I'm sure there's no way. I didn't even have one. My sister had one and. Then it died. She also had furbies, which scared the crap outta me. Mm. Um, but then she just went to Neopets and lived on the computer downstairs, and I just was glad to not have to take care of any of that. Yeah. I think the crazies in the nineties, I don't even think, like, I don't even think the crazies of today can touch the crazies of the nineties.

Right. Because the of the nineties felt a lot more sustained. They were around for a lot more. The crazies of today are here today. Gone tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. Like think about a TikTok sound. Okay. We had 17 weeks of Brian Adams singing the song from Robinhood. Yeah. Like 17 weeks. That's how long that song lasted on the, on the radio and everybody loved it.

Yeah. Beanie Babies, Furies trolls, uh, hogs. P. Oh, pogs. Yeah. Pog. I was pog. Oh, but I mean, like Jason is [00:21:00] obviously telling this from what he's read in books. Yes. Because obviously Yes, of course. Yeah. He's so young. No, I was, I was here for pogs 'cause Pogs, uh, you know, spoke to me as a child because they did the, you know, you, you had powering just pogs.

You had these pogs I had never learned how to play the game. Pogs, I just collect. Yeah. I still don't get it. Like, yeah, it was like make a, make a tower and then knock 'em down. So with another thing, I dunno, something with a slammer. Something with a jamer. I don't, I don't know what the heck we're talking about, but I'm like, I just love having these circular things that had my favorite characters on them.

That's all I cared about. So like, I was a, I was definitely a paw collector back in, not a, I don't know, was that collector? I wouldn't call it, I was not fervors about it, but a connoisseur would you? I was a connoisseur. Yeah. There you go. Connoisseur. A p ka connoisseur. Then we had some power rangers paws that really, uh, has my mind in a tizzy.

Remembering power rangers paws. But yeah, these things were months long. These crazies were months and months and months long. You know, where as now these things come and go real fast. Yeah. I don't know. I feel really bad if you're not [00:22:00] around the nineties really. Were a magical time. You guys like, no joke.

I don't know. And just, yeah. Moment of silence. So good. RIP to to the moments of the nineties. RIP to all the Tamagotchis that were killed and murdered. Killed. RIP to all of the furbies that are living in attics because they wouldn't shut up. Sorry. To the furbies in the landfills. Yes.

Yes. So on this case we have buzz. And buzz is of course looking at this and is like, this just seemed like a robbery. Like this is how it is. Um, Wagner comes in and. Oh, just like randomly he's been doing this in a lot of episodes, like here's some random piece of information. Mm-hmm. He knows TJ from his time of like covering the clubs and you could tell when he was talking about this, like he had some good memory Yeah.

Of covering the clubs, busting, busting some faces, bust busting people in the, you know, in the nineties of, of just Wagner being a, [00:23:00] you know, a really cocker cop just, just throwing ring around all the time. Yeah. Yeah. We learned that they are tailing TJ to kind of see what's going on with him, but all the models are in the office and Grace is a little, you know, self-conscious about this and Elle's bet says to her like, they may be stunning, but we can solve crimes in Greece.

It's like, yeah, that's right. That's like the, they couldn't solve crimes, but also, yeah, I mean, El El Smith el you, you solve, right? Like, I, I know you're trying to be nice ellizabeth, but you're the one that solves crimes. What did you think of else? El is the one around. She is basically solving all of the crime in New York City.

All of the crimes. Yes. What did you think of the interviews? I mean, they were fine. They were all vacuum. Yeah, they were all, they were all them. So they're all mo the, the stereotypical model types. I felt so bad drinking the garbage vodka. Well, Madison was falling to her death. Yeah. And then [00:24:00] Harper's har, the A DHD jersey model iss, like I was just having fun talking to all the sports people and, uh, hooking up with people at the, at the party.

I was like, all right, Harper, you suck. We do learn that TG was, um, standing over the body at the end of it, and he was staying home in his man cave. Kind of keeping secrets. This is what we learned from the, the models. So Elizabeth goes to talk to Nadine. First of all, again, this was kind of, the scene particularly for me was kind of a production standout for me because it was like, we're just gonna use a street in New York.

We're not gonna have a conversation somewhere. You know what I mean? Like, it was, it, it seems like they would have met somewhere for coffee or something in the past, but this is definitely like a walk and talk type of thing. They have a conversation. Nadine, Nadine was on the yacht making out with DJs. Um, Elba talks about the model house, and this is like, I just, it's so hard for me looking at [00:25:00] this through the eyes of 2025 and also some files.

That may have been around. Yeah. Um, and how groups of young women are in a house doing a thing quo. Yes. Yeah. So that's like, that was kind of hard for me. But, um, we learned that TJ's a promoter and gets paid by the party planners for access to the model. Hmm. Also mm-hmm. Wonder if I ever took any planes, you know, with those models.

Well, if there was like an island. Yeah. Not just like a house, but like a model island just randomly. Oh, that it's, yeah, it's rough. But, um, Nadine says, NA, TJ and Madison. Na, Nadine, have you been questioned? Have you, have you ever brought in? She doesn't think TJ did it though. Um, she's like, Clyde, she does establish that, like TJ and Madison are like a tight team, but [00:26:00] she's like, Clyde wouldn't shoot Bonnie.

Basically, like they're, they're in it together. Tj, by the way. Who? Yeah. Tell him I was like, I was like, who is this guy? Like I know I've seen this guy a thousand places, TJ. I was like, I, I looked him up on IDB and I was like, okay, all right. Nothing major, nothing like crazy. Okay. He's done a couple things and then I get down all the way to 2005, 2006, and this man, Josh Cason was on one Life to Live.

And I was like, there we go. There he is like that. And that's my sweet spot. Like late nineties. Yeah, early two thousands. That's when I was like, I into the scene. You weren't paying attention to Glamazons, but you were definitely watching soap operas. That's right. And sometimes the soap operas did have, like, sometimes there were cameos by supermodels.

Uh, like very true. Random things. Very true. Uh, not that you would know about that. No, not at all. So it's like, oh yeah, this guy was a [00:27:00] supreme douche bag on one life to live for, for a good year. I was like, that's where I know him from. No one else would probably know him for much of anything else, but I was like, oh yeah, early aut.

So life to live. I remember this guy. They bring TJ in and we basically learned that TJ was staying home because he's gotta sort out some stuff from the IRS. He's getting, been getting paid under the table this whole time. And so he's been trying to like sort that out, which only gets buzz to think because Buzz again has three motives, right?

Is mm-hmm. Must do sex or money. Sex or money. And this is like sex and money in a way because, um, he's gonna, he's gonna posit that TJ killed his wife for her life insurance policy basically, or for her, for her money to solve his tax issues. So, um, excuse me, they're gonna look at the computer to see, just to make sure that he was on.

The computer all night. Well, yeah, we get, we kind of get to TJ because Tiff does the ultimate, like, you know, [00:28:00] oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, bonehead move. If you are a murder suspect, especially if ELLs Smith is around you. Oh, she overplayed her hand because she came into police offices like, Hey guys, so I know your best that something to tell you.

Yeah. Have some important pertinent information for you to point the finger at someone. That's not me. So she, she basically like tells Elsbeth and, and Buzz, like, yeah, TJ and Madison were like, really? Get into it. He was abusing her. That's what she came to my bar about, was to tell me about, uh, about her issues with tj.

And I was just coming there to support her. That's why I was there. So I definitely didn't murder her. And TJ definitely murdered her. Like I, I will say the murderer was definitely, tj definitely was not me. Right. It was definitely tj, which is like, what, what prompts 'em to do this. And also we found. The glass with TJ's poop on it in the trash that, uh, that we know that Tiff planted.

So all, all of this now is pointing all to tj. It was like, [00:29:00] okay, yeah, we got, we got, uh, Tiff's story, we got TJ's Prince, and of course Lizabeth is like, mm, I don't know. This all seems a little too, uh, convenient. You know what I mean? Like this all just seems a little too easy to to, to explain away and again to this, well, it was like, yeah, like TJ was around, but there's nothing that shows that TJ actually.

Took steps or did anything right. Like there's no motive from his perspective. So, yeah. And, and Elsworth like points out a great thing. He's like, all right, if uh, TJ did this, this is like a premeditated murder, don't you think he would've come up with a better alibi than I was in the same house? Just chilling.

It's like that. None of that makes sense. I think, I think Ellsworth also is very good at like, like, 'cause at the scene of the crime, right? When TJ was so distraught, it felt like Ellsworth really like, felt his emotion as genuine. Mm-hmm. And like, I think that's probably a lot of what Ellsworth is good at is reading people in that way.

Mm-hmm. Like Ellsworth, oh my God. Ellsworth would kill on Survivor. [00:30:00] Like, to, to rant a little bit about like the current state of Survivor and all these people that have like, pretend like they're such good people at reading people when it's just like, it's just obvious that this will be happening. Work as a spy.

It's basically like this, like I work as a spy next episode. Spy voted out. Yeah, exactly. Like bro, like y'all, y'all are not as, as, as good as y'all think you are. Like, calm down. Um, so, but Ellsworth would kill it 'cause Ellsworth has great reads. She knows what people are lying to her. She knows when emotionals are genuine.

So like, that's, that's really a, a superpower of ELLs best. So I don't think, she never, she never liked TJ for the murder in the first place. And now Tiff is here spinning this yarn, spinning this tail, and Ell was like, Hmm, I think this is real. S's really like, okay. So it was Tiff and I gotta figure out how to, how to prove it was Tiff.

Yeah, I mean, like Tiff is making it a little bit more obvious here than tj, than TJ is. And also in TJ's like [00:31:00] interrogation, we learn about the injury to Tiff. That is, makes her wear her eye patch this entire time. And again, I would've loved to have seen like a dramatic reenactment of this because I think it would, one, help explain how it happened.

But two, the fact that it was caused like a, a scar was caused by a jewel pieces of UCD is something that would've been fun to see. Yeah, because. Like, you know, as, as we're interrogating tj, we're like, all right, T like why, why would Tiff Because he, he, like, he, he like, oh, TIFF is pointing the finger at me.

That's probably because she figured out something about something. They're like, all right, tj, what are you, what are you trying to say here? And so he, like, they get into admit because apparently the statute of limitations is over. So he can freely admit that he was the one that attacked Tiff and caused her injury, um, to her, to her eye.

Uh, because, and the way they explained this was so weird because it's like, oh yeah, I, 'cause they, [00:32:00] they bring up the Nancy Reagan, Tanya Harding thing, and that was, no, not in. Nancy Kerrigan. What else? Not Nancy Reagan. Did I say Nancy Reagan? You sure did. Funny. I was like, wow, that would've been something like that.

Do you remember Cel Celebrity Death Match? Oh yeah, that better? Good one. Yes. Uh, sorry. Nancy Kerrigan, Antonio Harding, uh, beef and all that happened there. So I think that, uh, TJ saying that gave him the inspiration for this because, uh, TIFF got a modeling job that, uh, Madison, in their minds should have gotten.

Yeah. So TJ wanted to attack Tiff to make sure she was not in any condition to do the modeling shoot. So it'd be going to Madison. So he had this, he had this idea. Let's attack her. I don't wanna like hurt her so bad, but just enough not to have her do the shoot. And he messed something. Messed up. She fell on her disc man, which caused the UL CD to cut her in the, in the eye.

Okay. So like, okay, so Discman, uh, was a portable [00:33:00] CD player. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Like you put it in and if you dropped it, it would pop open. Right, but, but I have not, I had never experienced the CD actually being ejected at a force. Yeah. That would be some sort of youthful sort of situation. It doesn't pop it out like a projectile.

It just kinda like, it just kind of goes and it like pops out. Well then like, like a flop. Usually there would be like a flop and then you'd be like, oh my God, is it scratched? Because if it's scratched, it's over. Right. We're It's done. We're done. You just wasted 29.99 on the cd, that's it. And you, you're outta your money.

Um, unless you can go to GameStop and get it buffed out. Oh my gosh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Those were the times. Yeah, those are good. I mean, listen, we had to do a lot to preserve our music in the back in the day. Okay. You couldn't just hit like redownload something you just had to like, you had to take or you like extraordinary steps.

You had to pirate it. Not that I condoned that or like even before. Yeah. And before that you had to wait for the song to be on the radio and then put [00:34:00] press, play and record at the seam Exact. My gosh. I mean, days. Yeah, four days. Um, but yeah, so the physics of this made no sense to me. I was like, wait, so how, and I mean, CDs are not very, like, they're not super sharp.

They're like rounded. I think. Did it break? Because if it broke, then yes. Like if it broke and then that like force caused the projectile to go a CA broken CT does have like, they're sharp. They're sharp. Sharp edges. Yeah. Uh, kings, I'm gonna need you to reenact this for me. I would need you to, I mean, I need to get like one of those, like one of those Japanese reenactments for me to see what happened.

This would've been like, also in the nineties, dramatic reenactments were so popular, so it would've been so funny to see that incorporated into this episode. But, but you know what else I'd love to see though? I would love to see. What's under Tiff's iPad? Yes. Especially now. Yeah, because I would've loved for it to be like super superficial, but because Tiff is Tiff [00:35:00] and, and all that modeling world sees like any superficial, like blemish on your face to be like horrific and the most like terrible thing that could happen.

Like I just, I just love for Tiff walk around the eye, patch on and she lists the eye patch and she's like a mild. Little scrape, like kind of what Marissa has on her, on her forehead. This is like, yeah, for ps by the way, wear your sunscreen because, but also if this were the nineties, I would be like applying so much coverup, conceal of like, on top of this thing and like, or walking around with my hand on my forehead being like, hi, how's it going?

Or wearing a hat. Like, but it, we've the, we've come so far. Yeah. Like the bar was like literally below the ground. But we're, you know, we've come so far that I can, you know, walk around with the surgery scar in my hat. The, the, the d gaf has come so far. The don't give up. And al Yeah. And also the, um. Beauty filters.

Oh, and filters, yes. Um, so I, I would've like, loved her to be like, she like, okay, I'm [00:36:00] gonna show my devastating injury to you all. She like, flips it up and just like, oh, that's it. Like, I think that would've been an interesting, uh, part of the story, um, because I just, I I'm not seeing the physics of what they're saying happened here where she fell.

Yeah. Her, she fell on the disman, the disman popped out the CD and it cut her in the face. Yeah. Bad enough for her to wear an eye patch. Yeah. So we, we pretty much now have the motive for, we do. It's, it's a revenge motive. She, however, for getting cut. Yeah. Yes. Although, oh, that was the, that's the third thing, right?

For buzz, like it's revenge, sex, or money. I thought it was just sex or money. Oh, maybe either way I thought was, was about revenge. You only commit crimes to two things, sex or money. Well, buzz is skeptical even though things are pointing towards Tiff. And um, course Chris points out no one. No one, no one's like elsewhere.

I think you're probably right. You've been right like a thousand Other times I write about this. No one can give El the credit she deserves. No one can give her like the, the credibility of her opinion. It's like, I don't know, Elizabeth, you've been right the other [00:37:00] 2,800 times, but you might be wrong on this one.

Who knows who? Let's, let's keep an open mind. You know, like we don't wanna rush to judgment. You've only taken all of our other detectives to school about how they solve crimes. I think on this one, you might be wrong. They go back to the model house and we see Nadine is there and Tiff is there. And it looks as though Tiff has kind of slipped into Madison's role of mentoring these new models.

Teaching them how to walk and do all this stuff. We do get a little bit of a throwback here. Um, Elsbeth mentions that she learned how to clump like a donkey from Nadine, which was, which was funny. Um, they're also questioning like the amount of Benny's used in, in the drink that ended up being involved in Madison's murder.

Uh, Tiff's, like I had no idea about her habits. Like there's no, you know, no way. But they are also walking around town before this all happened, saying that they're sisters, right? Like they're, they [00:38:00] have this close bond. So Elizabeth is also, you know, keeping her eye up for that. Um, and they learn about a secret entrance to the house.

Um, I would just like to also mention that this house is probably filled of, um, women under the age of 25, and the name of this entrance is called the Leo Latch. For a very specific reason because Leonard DiCaprio loves people under 25, which is really hard for me as a nineties girl to really like, reconcile.

Mm-hmm. Because I, like, I really did have that Romeo and Juliet poster on my wall for so long. Yeah. So long. And like growing pains. What he's eating Gilbert Grape. Like the fact that that is, I, I just am like, just go to therapy, Leo. Just end it. Like, can't you just be a good guy? Like a, I need something like a douche bag pre on much younger [00:39:00] women.

Please, please just be cool man. Oh, during this conversation we also, um, someone brings up Julian, so they go to see Julian because he coined the term Glamazons and also was like around the day of the, the photo shoot asking a lot of questions. Um. Julian comes up to the, into the precinct and he's like, oh my God, Nadine knows who I am.

Like, this is so great. It would be, it would honestly be like, if the Kings called us, like, we'd be like, oh my God. I mean, I know we talk about them knowing us all the time, but we would like freak out. Um, but TJ apparently started a rumor that, um, got him fired because he said that Madison put out there that Tiff slept with Julian to make her the star of the story because of the, the like swapped opportunity.

And like, but no, did you? He's like, no, I'm gay. Like that didn't happen. He's like, duh, uh, um, what else do we learn [00:40:00] during this? He thinks that, you know, TIFF is capable of revenge. Mm-hmm. But, and things were tense at the co, at the cocktail party and, um. Yeah. Yeah. Well, basically they, so, well, so Julian, uh, Julian got thrown out by tj and ELs was like, so mean.

Did he put his drink down when he threw you out? Yeah. He's like, I don't know, probably. I like, I like how ELs was talking to Waner. She's like breaking it all down for him and, you know, and she's a bartender. She knows how to mix stuff into other stuff and Wagner's like, it's a lot spritzer. There's only like two ingredients.

Like there has be a bartender how to do that. And, and Wagner talked about the fact that, uh, TJ had his first preliminary hearing and they're setting up to the grand jury and they could indict and Lizabeth goes like a ham sandwich. I was like, oh, oh, she said the thing, she said The good wife thing. Oh, yes.

Because if we're, if you aren't a fan of the Good Wife or haven't watched The Good Wife or any of that, um, there are [00:41:00] many episodes that we're. Um, refer to the fact that in Chicago they will indict a ham sandwich because basically they just, they'll indict you for anything. Like that's, that's how it, or at least that's how it was.

It kind of still is, but, um, I, which is. Yay. A callback. Like, I was like, oh, yay. It's like a secret word in PeeWee's Playhouse. Like, Hey, I'm sandwich. Oh my gosh. Like, what freak she said to thing connected to the good Wife. We'll take, we'll take any crumb of good wife connections. Yeah. Like, like literally where the Frick is Marissa and win the Fri show.

Right, right. What's going on? What is happening? Where's Marissa? Where's Kaa? What's, oh, Kaia, by the way, uh, congrats to Carra Patterson, who just had, uh, her third child. Oh, yay. And I was like, I, I was like. Because I know we had like many, many, like, uh, theories about why Kai's not around, but I don't, I don't [00:42:00] think that like, no.

'cause people are saying like, oh my God, so maybe she'll come back. She was pregnant. That's why they had to write her out. I was like, I was like, ah. I think that all that happened before she got pregnant. I think the pregnancy just was kind of like, uh, a coincidental thing. But I don't, I don't think Kai's coming back to be a regular anytime, and she was kind of like hiding in her last episode this season because they were talking about the fact that she surprised everyone on the Elba set that she was pregnant.

But she can't just shoot her scenes for this, for this season. They had her in a toll booth, cold kiosk thing or whatever, KIS like, like the counter was like up to her, her chin. Mm-hmm. She was, when we saw that. I I, I do believe when we saw that, I was like, is she pregnant? 'cause they're doing a lot to hide her midsection because, you know, as a, a watcher of many sitcoms and many television shows, we are, we are all aware of the, the, the tactics used to hide actresses, uh, pregnancies.

And I do recall her having like very baggy clothes on and the other scenes she was in, in that episode, speaking [00:43:00] of, and also in the good pod universe ish, uh, Carrie Kon was pregnant during the first season of the Gilded Age, and they. It didn't have any big bags. It wouldn't have been like time appropriate or anything like that.

Right. They, they wear very high city clothes on, on the guild age. Well, but they also, like, they used costume design to put like emphasis in different areas. And then also because in the guild age there was the bustle, like mm-hmm. Or a little bit bigger than everything else. So kind of like balanced out, but like the whole time.

Just, just bring the bus a little closer to her chest so we can hide the belly like she walked around pregnant with in all those dresses. Um, so they have come a long way from, oh, someone has a bag full of nothing that they need to carry in front of them at all. Yes. That's my biggest pet peeve. It's like there's nothing in these bags.

Like it's, we're moving. Gotta put a box in front of my, my, my, my torso and I'll have a whole monologue holding this box. Yeah. Oh, so, uh, [00:44:00] congrats to Car Patterson on. Yes. The birth of her, of her third child. Yes. Uh, but no, I do not think that is the catalyst for her being written off the show. I do not think she's going to be back on the show and a full-time capacity any longer.

Um, but we are still waiting to figure out if Kaia is alive, is Kaia in danger. Um, they really just, they really left that hanging out there. 'cause that's been, it's been what, four or five episodes it feels like since we saw, once we saw that reveal of like, oh my God, she's not answering her phone. Is she okay?

Yeah. Yeah. Elizabeth and Buzz go to question Tiff at this point in our story, and they talk about the rivalry between the two of them. And it was, it was intense. And Elizabeth talks about the attack and they basically get Tiff to say, yeah, I kind of, I kind of did want revenge. Okay. But it didn't get me anywhere.

So that's why I came back to New York because my, my spirit was broken and I just wanna be like a mentor for the new era. And I wanna heal. I wanna heal, and I just wanna make everything better. Um, [00:45:00] and, but I, I did love, I did love, uh, Tiff's moment being like, okay, this man, like you now know this man is a violent man.

You still here questioning me, like, you have nothing on me, so why are you questioning me and not going after this guy who we know is a violent offender? I was like, oh. Points, asks what every person should ask in any conversation with a cop, do you have anything to hold me or not? Like, am I here or not?

And so I think even though sometimes it can be like annoying because Elbe is like, right, and the case is pretty much solved halfway through the thing. I am enjoying the, uh, police interaction education that sometimes comes through a lot of this for. Um, so we're gonna talk a little bit about where Elsbeth sees Ivy, but um, we'll talk about that in a moment.

But Elsbeth sees Ivy, who Ivy was connected to the Joe Case, which I think was the mixologist, right? He was, he was a mixologist. I I think [00:46:00] it was kind of a takeoff of the show you I think so too. Yeah. It had the guy from succession in it, but I forget his name, but yeah. Yeah, from like. I'm scratching my head.

I'm like, okay, Nadine is one thing, a Nadine cameo. We love that. 'cause that that character really left a mark on the show. Yes. And she's like friends with Elva, right? Like Yeah, she's been around. She's a known, she's like a known actress in the real world, so we know her when we see her. But Ivy from Joe's Bar, I was like, am I supposed to remember really anything about Ivy?

I can't even remember if Ivy was the, uh, eye of Joe's affection. Is was that the character? I, I can't even remember if that was the character or, I think so. Another ran like she was, she was who? Joe was pining after, uh, I, and I think Joe, I think so. I think Joe killed her boyfriend or someone that was trying to be her boyfriend and he thought was hassling her or something.

I don't even remember. Uh, yeah, you, we were talking about storylines we don't remember before. Yeah. Yes. Or other shows. I, I do, I I remember se Joe was in prison with [00:47:00] ELLs Smith. I remember that. Yes. Yes. Uh, but the, the, the exact, the exact like story beats of the Joe episode kind of allude me. But the fact that we have, like, the fact that El was like, oh my God, it's Ivy from Joe's Bar.

Everyone remember? I'm like, no. Nobody remembers. I don't. So it was, I love, I love a good callback. Don't get me wrong. I'm a callback king. Fricking love it. But when it's such a unique callback where I have to like really rack my brain obscure or obscure obs obscure. Yeah. So I have to rack my brain be like, who is this person?

At that point, I feel like I could be anyone at the bar where Elsworth sees them taking off the foil Yes. Of the, of the champagne bottle. It could have been any old person. She would've been like, oh my God, you do that. And which is what gives Ellsworth her idea of the episode. Yes. Because she sees Ivy taken off the foil off of the wine spritzer, which we, we did see Tiff do, uh, when she was preparing to murder Madison.

Yes. And [00:48:00] we basically, Elizabeth takes this again, she has to like this entire episode, Wagner's like good theory, like find your proof, find your proof, find your proof. And the proof here is that there's a thumbprint from Tiff on the foil that she left in the e. Apron when she pulled off the foil of the wine that she used to mix with the benzos to kill Madison, basically.

Yeah. So, um, and the conversation was very mild. Yes. Yeah. It wasn't like, there was not a big like to do or anything like that, but we do leave the model house with Ellizabeth telling me Dean to, um, take over the house. Well, she tells, she tells the girls to because 'cause when we get there, yes. Tiff, TIFF has gone into her Nick Fury bag and his dad is, is is getting ready to, uh, manage the, uh, sheroes.

Yeah. Interesting that we are doing the Avengers parallel and they're called Sheroes. Um, but yeah, she's, she's, and she's getting ready to take over. She has left her bar life in Pennsylvania behind and she's now going to manage the sheroes and the girls, once Tiff's arrested, they're like, what are we going to do [00:49:00] now?

And I was like, you know who you should call is Nadine. Well, and I love this because if Nadine has been on the show so many times, I have a feeling there will be like a. Like sheroes assemble type of moment. Where's like exactly. Some sort of thing. You need help. My sheroes can, can answer the call. Yeah. Um, ELLs Smith called, and she needs this also kind of like expanding her team a little bit.

But yeah. And I also like that, I also like that Ellsworth is now getting more and more confessions where it's like, yes, yeah. You know, you did it, so why did you do it? So now we can't even like, 'cause I, you know, I've said my, my big, uh, pet peeve is that all this. Evidence is kind of circumstantial and could probably be thrown out in court, but now that we have like full confessions from these people, it would be kind of hard to get out of that.

Yeah. So yeah, TIFF basically says, you know, they, they messed up my life, I messed up their life, blah, blah, whatever. So she's, TIFF is ca case is closed, TIFF is arrested, and can't wait to see Nadine and the [00:50:00] sheroes back up. Yes, please. I would love, I would love that. Love that to happen. We did have one other storyline happening in this episode and that had to do with Grace finally making it on the stage.

Um, we had seen her calling some people saying like, Hey, we need, you know, to fill the club so that I'll get invited back. And Buzz was kind of like, why aren't we being invited? You know? So he tells Wagner and Elsbeth and they decide to go to Grace's show kind of unannounced. What did you think of Grace's set here where she talks about being a cop, kind of talks about Wagner, talks about Buzz, and then also admits later that she didn't tell any jokes about Elsbeth because what the heck is a consent decree lawyer?

Oh, that was hilarious. But if, if you're going to have a character do standup comedy, I think you should actually hire comedy writers that write standup to give her good standup [00:51:00] jokes, because this was not Oh, great. Good. Um, it tangent, tangent alert. Here we go. Um, I haven't seen these JC Penney commercials with Shaq, and Shaq is like introducing a standup comedian to do like a joke or two on this JC Penny commercial.

I want to hear from people if they've also seen this, and I do believe it's a real comedian, but the joke was so bad and so like awful. Like my thought was. Did they hire this comedian to say a bad joke on this commercial? 'cause it makes no sense. Something about a diamond. Uh, it was, it was bad. I wanna hear if anyone else heard this and it, it's real bad if I find it online.

I'll post it to you, Mar and you can see. Yeah, let me know. Because they took all the JC pennies away from me when Ellen was in charge of JC commercials. And so I shaq's there now. Okay, that's good. That's, that's better. Sha Shaq saved Papa John's Now Shaq's gonna save JCPenney. I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

And Upson printers also. Yeah. [00:52:00] Shaq saved Reebok as well, I think is is his other thing. Uh, but, but anyway, so, but the jokes were real bad. Well, and I wonder like. I understand she's a beginning comedian, but even like the structure of the, like it was, it just was, it was like if I went to go tell standup comedy, like it was not, it was, was not good.

Yeah. Um, and it was, it was hacky. It was just like, it was funny. I was like, if you're gonna, if you're gonna have Grace do this as, as her side hustle, like she should be good at it. Yes. And it wasn't good, but I think if you asked the Elizabeth writers, they'd be like, no, we, we gave her good stuff to say.

What do you mean it wasn't guys, it wasn't, it's Well, and it's like, you, you, you know, people. You know what I mean? Like it, it's like, it's not like they don't know people that they could have asked, but we'll see. Maybe her, her, her jokes, because she was asked back after all this, maybe her jokes will improve and maybe we'll see some things.

But, but I think what we're supposed to imply is that those jokes are really good. And I was like, no. Yeah, no, because we [00:53:00] hear the, the title card that comes up, the boom boom in here, not title cards. I'm done. Like, it, it's funny when it's done every few, every few episodes and it's like a good like thing, but we, we need to stop.

We cannot do it every episode now. It, we can't. Well, and like, no, I agree with you. And they either have to be informative or like, this one was like, yeah, this one was eight solid laughs and two growns layer. And I was like, I don't believe, because of the jokes that we're told, I don't believe there were eight solid laughs.

You know what I mean? Like there was Well, no, but we're supposed to, we're supposed to imply that those jokes were good. Yeah. No, I know. Yeah, I know. Like, that's what I'm saying. It didn't work in the world. There were eight all laughs. Yeah, it did. Not for us. They'd be, it'd be like 10 groans. Okay. It would, well, 10 groans not, not eight laughs and two groans.

10, 10 groans For us, I would probably throw in a sympathy. Ha ha ha ha. Oh, you definitely would, Marissa, you would laugh at every single joke, but in your head you'd be like, oh, that's terrible. Yeah. Like, like you do for mine on this show. You know? You would, you would, you would politely [00:54:00] laugh like you're doing right now.

Yeah. And then go, oh no, that was real. So annoying. No, that's probably what you're thinking into your head. No, I will tell you, I mean, my sister sometimes writes jokes for her band concerts and she'll tell them to me beforehand and I'm like, I, that is not funny. Interesting. Then I'll. What? That's your sister.

You, you No, I know, but yeah, I know. But then she tells them at the thing and she doesn't wait for the timing and so then I just go, ha ha ha ha ha ha. And you're the only one. Yes, exactly. Echo an audience. Like yes. So like I'm a very supportive audience member, but I will tell you the truth if you ask me straight up like, uh, yeah.

And nails with his bummed that no one told me jokes, that Grace didn't tell jokes about her, uh, during this. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think goes back to her like feeling included in everything. But we also get this whole conversation like Wagner is like, it's good to have something outside of work, which is very important, but then this is what blows my mind out of this whole thing.

I am to believe [00:55:00] that Wagner keeps his trombone in his office. Like I am all for, give me Wendell Pierce doing anything pretty much all the time. Anything, like, I would listen to a whole trombone concert of Wendell Pierce. Like, I, I love it. I was so excited that that was incorporated into this episode, but I would've, it would've maybe made more sense if it was at home because I was like, do you really, like, I have a french horn.

I do not carry my french horn with me everywhere I go. But then Elizabeth couldn't hear him do it. Sure, sure. I get it. I get it. She did. She was very considerate. She didn't interrupt. Um, but yeah, it was weird. It was like he's bringing his trombone to the office to serenade the empty squad room. I was like, oh, no, no, no.

Like you can play for yourself. Like it, it's very therapeutic to play by yourself without listening or without any audience. Yes. But it's a weird place to do it. Yes. It is weird. I mean, is there also, unless he's like part of some, [00:56:00] some sort of community band and he had rehearsal later that night and he had his thing.

Like, it just didn't make sense. It was very surprising and I enjoyed it, but also it didn't make sense. Yeah. It just felt like, goes away from like, Hey Wendell, you uh, we're talking about outlets outside of work. You play the trombone. Like, let's get you in there, Wendell. Let's do, let's do the thing. He's like, so, oh, for real.

You want me, you want me to play trombone set? I'll do that for sure. So it was like, uh, uh okay. It felt kind of forced, but fine. Whatever. I'll be good. Uh, we love us some Wendell Pierce. So any, any Wendell Pierce moments we can get, we'll take them literal starved for them. Starved for them, yes. But, uh, I did love the mo like we, we alluded to earlier where the moment where like El was like, why did you tell any jokes about me?

And she goes, well, you know, it's kind of hard to, to explain a consent decree lawyer to the audience where it's just like they all might as well have just stopped and turned to the camera and just stare to the camera. Like, haha, get it. We're talking about our show. Well, I love that Elsbeth responded saying.

Makes sense. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I wish I, like, I thought we were done with the consent decree lawyer stuff and we're [00:57:00] just gonna call her a consultant, but they just won't let it go. Um, but yeah, I thought it was funny. And I do again, buzz and grace, like bond over the Mets and ELs Smith is again like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like a great thing. Great, great, great. More of just like a I wish I had that, I wish I had a Where's my Kaya? Where's my Kaya? Nadine wouldn't even go inside. She'd only talk to me on the street. Yeah. So yeah, that's, uh, you know, that was pretty much the, the episode, right? Uh, was it, if you missed anything, I think we got everything.

Um, listen, I'm, I'm still, I'm waiting for these B plots to, to drop and to give us more, uh, of the lakaya, the alec of it all. I'm just waiting. Do you think we'll get something before the holiday break? I hope so. I really, really hope So do we have, do we have an Elsbeth next, uh, next week? I think we should have one next week, but maybe not the week after.

Let's do a live check in on where we are on the Elsbeth schedule. [00:58:00] Elsbeth schedule El excuse me. Where are you going? What's your source of truth? Um, I'm on the AI interview overview right now. I typed in Elizabeth's schedule season three. Oh. Uh, let's see, let's see, let's see the next, okay, the new next new episode of Elizabeth.

Season three is a hard nut to crack. Yes. And on Thursday, December 18th at 10:00 PM this show airs at 10:00 PM ugh. And then the next one is not until February 26th. Oh, wow. That is quite a break. It's quite a jump. And then there's only, there is 20 total. Okay. All right. So, uh, listen, we got, you got, you got us next week, and then we're gonna be on hiatus on the Ellizabeth side.

But you can always come over to the good wife side, make yourself a ham sandwich. Yeah. Listen to us about The Good Wife. We got a el we have a Elizabeth episode, uh, coming up pretty soon. Yeah. Well, and she's gonna be around for a couple more episodes, so. Yeah. Yeah. We just, we just did an Ellsworth episode.

There's gonna be more Ellsworth to come on the Good Wife side. So if you're [00:59:00] into Ellsworth, I wanna see more of her, like Origins and how she was back in Chicago days. Come Ona Hoover to the good wife side, guys. Yeah, it's, it's a blast. I promise. I promise. Yeah, it's a good time. Yeah. Uh, so Marissa, do you wanna tell all the folks where they can find you and what you're up to these days on the interwebs?

Sure, sure. It hasn't changed much, but you can find me at it's me marissa g.com, where you can get links to all of my podcasts that I am on, including this one. If you listen to us, you might wanna check us out on YouTube. If you YouTube us, you might wanna listen to us at a podcast. Either way. Um, links are there also to whirlwind podcasts, pretty Little Liar or Previous Little Liars where I am reviewing Pretty Little Liars one previously on at a time.

Sometimes that one's really hard to get through. And then, um, not the show, but the title of the show. And then, um, I'm watching Star Trek, the Next Generation with my affirmation joke telling band director, sister, um. As we go through Star Trek Next Generation for [01:00:00] the first time over on the USS sisterhood.

Other than that, I'm uh, I guess trying to relax as they say. Is that like something that people do? I don't know. But winter break is here-ish, so there you go. Listen, Marissa, I would never tell you to relax or smile or any of that. Uh oh, thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I appreciate your awareness.

Yes. Uh, Jason, what's up with you? Uh, yeah, you can find me as always on the A Perfect Match Podcast. Uh, we are, uh, done with season 19. I'm ready for sight. We are in our Patreon bag right now, so if you go to patreon.com/perfect Match podcast, you can find me and Asia Welsh talking about old, an older season of Made first sight season 10.

Uh, we're having fun with that season as it is one of the best seasons of made first sight out there. Uh, so if that flowed your boat coming over to Patreon and hear what we're talking about. Um, and until next episode, stay good. I.

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