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TBPN is a live tech talk show hosted by John Coogan and Jordi Hays, streaming weekdays from 11–2 PT on X and YouTube, with full episodes posted to Spotify immediately after airing.
Described by The New York Times as “Silicon Valley’s newest obsession,” TBPN has interviewed Mark Zuckerberg, Sam Altman, Mark Cuban, and Satya Nadella. Diet TBPN delivers the best moments from each episode in under 30 minutes.
Charlie Kratovil says Yes. We won no data center and they have to build a park.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:This got 3,000,000 views, 222,000.
Speaker 2:That ratio is crazy. Right?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Crazy crazy ratio.
Speaker 1:Gary Tan responds and says, a fully built one gigawatt data center complex generates around $31,000,000 per year in state taxes and 61,000,000 per year in local taxes from data center operations alone. Also, creates roughly 430 direct jobs at the facility itself, plus many more indirect and construction phase jobs. So nearly a 100,000,000 a year in local taxes based on this analysis by the Consumer Energy Alliance. So maybe these data centers need to be leading with that more. Think about how many parks you can build Yeah.
Speaker 1:Over think about how many roads you can repair Yeah. New buildings, schools that you'll be able to build Yeah. Locally if you have one of these. You know, we've talked about this at length, but it's understandable that citizens will be like, I don't need the data center in my backyard to use ChatGPT Yep. So why would I want it?
Speaker 1:Yeah. But if you're gonna have, you know, nearly 9 figures in in local and and state taxes that you can direct.
Speaker 2:There is another solution here. You could build a jungle gym that has GPUs embedded in the slides and in the swings. So you get a
Speaker 1:little You know those rolly slide things?
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes. Those regenerate That generates electricity. Oh, yeah. I know.
Speaker 2:I'm thinking what you're thinking. Of course. Put the kids to work. If they're swinging, I wanna capture that electricity and turn it into tokens.
Speaker 1:Red G
Speaker 2:the AI factor.
Speaker 1:James, creative director of General Catalyst and friend of the show says, you mean to tell me the meme of creating a permanent underclass hasn't been winning the hearts and minds of the public. Shocking. Yeah. Very good point. Let's pull up this video because Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah. We want see reaction. Let's get sound
Speaker 2:This is and
Speaker 1:start it back. Sure. They get it. Canceled it. They canceled it.
Speaker 1:It's like the Lil Yachty little yachty. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It is. The Lil Yachty walkout. Keep chanting. Your Netflix recommendations just got point 1% less accurate.
Speaker 1:Against data centers everywhere in New Jersey. New Jersey. They actually have a live band? Everyone with you again. Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's interesting because the the the the the pushback against data centers, like, it really is this, like, meme of creating a permanent underclass, like, that type of thing because you I I would I would be so much more expecting of this pushback if it was like, oh, well, know that like living next to a data center is dangerous for your health. Like that is not the meme. The meme is like maybe your power rates will go up, but it's sort of unclear and they might offset that. They're sort of ugly, but they're not the biggest craziest thing that you could put there. It really is just about like, I don't like what it produces abstractly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And so I don't want the concrete.
Speaker 1:You don't like what it stands for.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. I don't like what it stands for. It it it's a little bit different than than I I think a lot of people It says,
Speaker 1:for real though, data centers filling up Northern Virginia is super annoying and ugly. Like 600 now.
Speaker 2:They gotta make them look better.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay. So you're joining about the jungle gym, there is that you've probably seen it. There's In Denmark, there's the ski hill that's on top of the power plant.
Speaker 2:Wait. Really?
Speaker 3:Have you seen that?
Speaker 2:No. I haven't seen that. I I I thought you were gonna mention the have you seen the stealthy cell phone towers? So there are cell phone towers all over Los Angeles that are dressed up like trees.
Speaker 1:Yeah. They always get me.
Speaker 2:They always get You can never tell.
Speaker 1:I'm kidding. No. Of course, you can tell. From very far away.
Speaker 2:They do sort of like fade into the background and you don't notice them as much as like a full on crazy cell tower in your face. AI folks have about four months to pull a cure for cancer out of the latent space before we drift into Behot Butlerian Jihad, a tractor basin. Yeah. It's Butlerian Jihad is from Dune. They don't want computers, so they use Spice, and they travel around that way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really popular. I mean, talked to Sagar and Jetty about this. It's bipartisan. It's very, very broad support against data center build out, and there doesn't seem to be anything that's pushing back against it. And I was thinking more about the cure for cancer thing because Microsoft Excel has been useful in medicine.
Speaker 2:You use Microsoft Excel to catalog how patients are doing, track a bunch of blood work, create a correlation. Okay, these people got placebos, these people got the real cancer treatment. Now we know for sure. And it just sped it up a little bit. You could have done it on paper, but doing it in Excel probably moved things forward just a notch.
Speaker 2:You got the cancer cure like a couple months earlier, a little bit cheaper, a little bit faster. And that sort of like diffusion story is ridiculously unsexy. Like it's not attractive at all. One wants to talk about it. Had this riff
Speaker 1:People want one simple trick.
Speaker 2:I had this riff for a while that the debt markets were critical in the space race. Like you actually do need to finance rocketry with debt. You need efficient capital markets to build rockets. But everyone likes to look at rockets. No one wants to look at debt covenants.
Speaker 2:And so rocket engineers get all the credit when, in fact, some of the credit does, in fact, belong to the financiers that make large scale industrial projects possible. People love the bridge, but they don't think about the financiers that make it possible. But as silly as that sounds like, it really is an important step in the chain. And AI, it might be that more than like the magical cure for cancer that you pull out of latent space. It's going to be tricky.
Speaker 2:I think even if we do see a boom in cancer drugs and we hear testimonies from scientists that, oh, yeah, AI definitely sped me up. The ticker tape parade is going to happen for the scientists. We know Jennifer Dudena's name for discovering mRNA and CRISPR. We don't know the software stack that she used when she was analyzing g We gotta find out. We we do because that's the real hero.
Speaker 2:That's not the real hero. But it's an important hero in the story that we just don't tell because it's abstract and diffuse.
Speaker 1:Let's pull up this video Yeah. From Architectural Digest
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Of this beautiful sustainable power plant with a ski slope on its roof.
Speaker 2:So you can actually ski on this? Wait. You ski on the grass? You could ski on grass?
Speaker 1:It works. I had no idea. And presumably in winter Ew. There would be some snow on it.
Speaker 4:Is the building industry. The building industry accounts for one third of all c o two emissions, and we need to bring that down.
Speaker 2:This thing looks so This is cool.
Speaker 4:And sustainability go hand in hand.
Speaker 1:Trey in the chat would be totally cool with more data centers in Virginia. I imagine if you had extreme sports on the roof.
Speaker 2:Yes. Do a deal with Red Bull, get the FPV drones out there.
Speaker 1:Red Bull, sponsored data center.
Speaker 2:The next X Games on data centers. Yeah. I mean, the Olympics are coming. If you wanna build a data center in in LA, why not build an Olympic village as well?
Speaker 4:On cities, we want to design the future of the buildings that we would like to live in. My name is Jakob Lange. I'm a partner and architect at the architecture firm BIG or Bjarke Ingels Group. We're standing here at Copenhill, the tallest mountain in Copenhagen.
Speaker 1:Wait. What? Well, he's calling the building a mountain.
Speaker 2:That's insane. A little
Speaker 1:more than
Speaker 4:ten years ago now, we started a competition to design the facade of this building. We were struggling for quite a while, but in one of the design meetings, were talking about the fact
Speaker 2:Sure that magazine deal flow. Completely agree. Are you a Thrasher magazine guy?
Speaker 1:I love Thrasher.
Speaker 2:Thrasher's so good.
Speaker 1:I haven't been a subscriber in probably ten years, but
Speaker 2:Yeah. How
Speaker 1:did we not know about this?
Speaker 2:This is amazing. Yeah. I knew about it.
Speaker 1:Buried in the You did. You did. Buried in the European
Speaker 2:stagnation thesis is the most white people, white pills.
Speaker 1:Structured.
Speaker 3:I mean, this goes viral every like few months. I I've seen this a bunch on
Speaker 1:We gotta do it. You should post it. Feel like Say, why is no one talking about Yes.
Speaker 2:You got no But I'm saying
Speaker 3:people are talking about this.
Speaker 2:No. No one's talking about We're the first people to talk Yeah. About It feels like Apple would be one to do this. It's in line with the Google branding. Like, there's so many companies that are ready to sort of pick up what this is all about and do a promo video.
Speaker 1:Put plants on the roof of the data center. It takes a building that looks dystopian and cold Yeah.
Speaker 2:Also industrial Build them underground, right? And then put the park on top of it. I don't know. It just seems like there's so many easy ways.
Speaker 1:Matt over on X says, there's an abandoned Brooks Brothers office in my town would make a lovely data center. So he's Oh, Matt. Woah. He's taking the other side. I think if you left the sign Yeah.
Speaker 1:And it was just Brooks Brothers, you kind of revitalized the sign Brooks Brothers. Redid the kind of landscaping, but then put a data center in it. Love it. Let's head over to TIME Magazine? Saleo.
Speaker 1:He came in pretty hot on the reaction. He said, Team Cope made the cover of TIME. Yeah. The people versus AI. A lot of
Speaker 2:Behind the growing backlash. Mean, growing backlash is real. It actually makes a lot of sense to do a portrait and a profile on all the different voices that are here because some of them are lawmakers. Some of them are pundits, some of them are analysts, some of them are environmentalists, some
Speaker 1:of them are
Speaker 2:lawyers, all sorts of different folks.
Speaker 1:Did you read it yet, Tyler? Why are you laughing?
Speaker 2:In protest, you
Speaker 3:I just Team Cope is funny.
Speaker 2:Team Cope is funny. Yeah. People take this all over the place. The people versus the wheel, grunts from the silent majority dragging rocks and rolling is a drag. People are having a lot of
Speaker 1:fun about this. But I
Speaker 2:mean versus the car. The horses versus the car. At the same time, like, this the backlash can have an actual impact. So you should not just write it off and be like, well, obviously, AI is going to happen. So this is it's inevitable.
Speaker 2:It's like, no, these like, we live in a democracy. Like, if vote, no more data centers. Look at what happened to nuclear, people. You keep comparing AI to splitting the atom. I was just watching some video, and the guy was saying, AI is the most incredible human invention.
Speaker 2:It's up there right with when we split the atom. And I'm like, well, I know how that ended. We got a bunch of nuclear weapons that we didn't even fire at each other. It just became a cold war. So really zero economic value from that, just a lot of people building and then putting them in silos.
Speaker 2:And then a couple nuclear power plants that eventually got regulated out of existence. We never got a nuclear future of energy. And so it is possible that society can just freak out and be like, actually, we're doing non proliferation. That's a possible outcome here.
Speaker 1:Like Hill says this is why we need data centers in space. Elon looking pretty smart this
Speaker 2:For sure. For sure. I mean,
Speaker 1:if the timelines that have been thrown out are aggressive Yeah. On a longer time horizon.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah. Can have
Speaker 1:Make sense. Push back there. And Trey really coming in with the most obvious solution, blimp data centers. Just put them over put them over the Pacific.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 1:Float them over there. Rob over on X has found some information Mhmm. On the Twitter I deal believe this is the case around the the Twitter employees that did not actually get their severance.
Speaker 2:It says the class action brought by former Twitter investors against Elon Musk. I actually don't know that much about this particular case. But there was a pool of 92
Speaker 1:Twitter you was worth more than 44,000,000,000?
Speaker 2:Well, maybe they had stock options that were canceled. Maybe maybe they are employees, but they're counted as investors in this case because it's a SEC violation instead of an employment contract. Apparently, Elon Musk's popularity unpopularity is throwing a wrench in the trial because, quote, hate for Musk quickly narrows the jury pool in Twitter deal trial. A California judge quickly narrowed a pool of 92 prospective jurors Thursday, excluding excusing 38 potential jurors who said they couldn't be fair and impartial as Musk's attorney lamented. There are so many people who hate him so much.
Speaker 1:Yeah. The trial involves claims from Twitter investors who say Musk violated securities law by publicly waffling over his decision to purchase the company Oh. And driving down its stock price.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And there's probably a lot of people who are they don't like Elon because of
Speaker 1:the Does that mean Does that mean, though so he said, Okay, I'm going to buy this company. Yeah. And then he was trying to back out because he was like, the price is insane. And then the stock declined and people sold. And then it ended up getting bought up here.
Speaker 1:And now they're like, well, you kind of misled. I don't know. I wonder actually how this one let out because he didn't make anyone sell the company if you're a Twitter shareholder and you believe that
Speaker 2:Basically, I mean, every time you make a public statement, unless it's disclosed through the traditional SEC workflow, one person or five people can sell. And then they can hold you to account on that, on the impacts of that. And so every possible move in the price of the company can come back to bite you based on what you were saying and whether or not it was above board.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Pub is saying they're calling it the most Canadian caption of all time. Team Canada hit the timeline after their loss to The United States saying silver shines just as bright. It's very Canadian.
Speaker 2:Absolutely brutal. This is We
Speaker 1:got it. We have a Canadian on our team is
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 1:Sitting over there shaking his head. He's he's hard hard to see from this angle. We're all friends on this continent. There are We like a good competition.
Speaker 2:There's a war in the community notes right now. People are saying, silver actually shines brighter than gold, but gold is better. And it's a it actually doesn't. It also tarnishes much easier and becomes gold, becomes dull. Gold is greater than silver.
Speaker 2:Blake Robbins is reacting to the news that Meta's VR metaverse is ditching VR. This is from The Verge. We'll have to talk to Alex Heath, former Verge reporter, later today. This feels pretty clear the metaverse was actually just Roblox this whole time. Not Fortnite, not VR.
Speaker 2:This is extremely hard for me as a as a VR bull. I threw on the headset yesterday, watched about ten minutes of Blade Runner 2,049 before you called me and I had to take it off. But I was having a great experience watching a three d movie.
Speaker 1:You threw that on right when you got home.
Speaker 2:Right when I got home. I was like, I'm gonna chill for a little bit, throw on Blade Runner 2,049. Reggie recommended it. So Hip City Reg. I was like, Okay, I gotta do it.
Speaker 2:But interrupted. There was other stuff going on. So didn't get through the whole movie, but still delightful experience. And VR is not dead. It's about to reanimate and come back from the grave.
Speaker 2:In the next four hundred years, I guarantee you, will be kind of popular, like sort of popular.
Speaker 1:Matthew Ball dropped his state of video games in 2026. Boom. One of the standout lines was Roblox had 150,000,000 daily users in 2025. Its quarterly engagement is now equal to Steam, PlayStation, and Fortnite combined. It's huge.
Speaker 1:Which is just absolutely wild.
Speaker 2:This is the report that I was sort of inspired by yesterday when I was talking about this interesting fact that Matt Ball shared on his Strathecari interview that when you look at video games, the video game market is not doing particularly well. You have to always segment out non China and then there's also mobile versus console. Are people paying or is it ad based? There's a whole bunch of different sub segments. But just looking at non China growth in video games, like all of the growth went to Roblox.
Speaker 2:And basically, everything else was either flat or down. And people are starting to just spend more time on endless feeds. They're on Instagram. They're on TikTok. Or they're doing sports betting or watching TV or watching Netflix.
Speaker 2:There's a million different things that have bought for attention, and it used to be the greatest bargain in history. And Strauss Zelnick, the CEO of Take Two, maker of GTA and two k Games, got in a lot of trouble at one point because he said, like, we should be charging per minute. And people were like, this is a nightmare. He's going to charge per minute. He was like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I just mean in terms of the value that we're delivering, we will take $60 from you, which is a lot of money, but we will give you GTA five, which you can play for one hundred hours and have a great time, and some people will play for more than that. And so on a per hour basis, you're paying like 50¢. Now comp that, he would say, comp that to going to the movies. You know, you pay $20 and you're there for two hours. That's $10 an hour for entertainment.
Speaker 2:Whereas with a video game, $50 for fifty hours, you're paying a dollar
Speaker 1:an hour.
Speaker 2:He was just driving home that is a great value. That is no longer the case in the world where there's so much incredible entertainment that's basically free because it's ad supported. And the experience of scrolling an endless vertical social feed is now rivaling the level of entertainment that you get from video games. It used to be like, yeah, I'll go on Facebook and check some posts about see who posted what they did this weekend, check-in with that. But I got to go and play Counter Strike, or I got to go play the actual game that's really fun.
Speaker 2:Now, it's a lot more competitive.
Speaker 1:All kind of tap through. So global video game content sales had a strong 2025, growing 5% year over year and hitting a new all time high of about $195,000,000,000.10000000000 more than the prior high in 2021. Mhmm. The industry high was achieved through new highs in each of p mobile PC and console too. So everything's up into the right.
Speaker 1:And fortunately, 2025 as with year as with years prior, boasted several new hit franchises and studios, while many older franchises and studios also achieved new highs. Mhmm. But despite three straight years of industry growth, a new record high for revenues, and a smattering of new hits each year, private funding for game makers fell another 55% in 2025.
Speaker 2:There's so much going on in the video game industry. And it's it's often overlooked because it's just like sort of off in its own little world. Do you want to talk about chill remote jobs or do you want to stay on video games?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Let's talk.
Speaker 2:Do you want a chill remote job?
Speaker 1:No. I said that, but I lied. I don't I don't want a chill remote job. I actually love a high pressure job. I love office politics.
Speaker 1:I love being thrown into the fire. Last minute slide changes fuel me. I get high off an ad hoc ask. Corporate jargon is my love language. When I'm in office, I'm a lethal corporate machine.
Speaker 1:I'm in a God tier flow state right now. This is my favorite game. Is It's actually This is so good. I love I love this new genre of the of the
Speaker 2:I lied. Day
Speaker 1:in the life at
Speaker 2:Whoever said that office jobs or adult day cares was on to something.
Speaker 1:There's nothing like an ad hoc ask. Right, Tyler? Yeah. You I feel like Tyler Tyler and
Speaker 2:Tyler Tyler lives for an ad hoc ask. He's like, yes, and.
Speaker 1:You're like, yes, but let me throw on my white suit first.
Speaker 2:Yes. Market's Market's up. Let's go.
Speaker 3:I think at least it was.
Speaker 2:Yeah. More news in Paramount's $108,000,000,000 bid for Warner Brothers. It cleared an antitrust hurdle. What hurdle was that? The media group whose bay bid is bankrupt bankrolled by Oracle billionaire, Donald Trump's founder Larry Ellis.
Speaker 1:Brody and Slip.
Speaker 2:No. Oracle's doing fine. Said on Friday that its deal had complied with the US Department of Justice's second request review process, removing a critical impediment to US regulatory approval. I have no idea why there would be any antitrust worries here. The the antitrust question
Speaker 1:The point always is that there's no antitrust
Speaker 2:with Paramount Here. And Warner Brothers. The question has always been Netflix. But I thought that was gonna get through, but we'll see where it lands. So Paramount's deal could still be blocked, but allowing but by allowing the ten day statutory waiting period to elapse under HSR or Hart Scott Rodino Act's second request process, the DOJ is clearing the path for Paramount's deal on antitrust grounds.
Speaker 2:The government's saying they can go forward as long as they can agree to terms.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yeah. And and and zooming out, when you look back at the news from a month ago, it seemed obvious that the next step was to spend a lot of time in Washington for the Ellisons. Yeah. And try try that angle.
Speaker 1:It seems to be going well.
Speaker 2:Matthew McConaughey, we we talked a little bit about this, but it's it hits way harder when he says it himself. So let's play the clip.
Speaker 5:It's coming. It's already here.
Speaker 2:It's already here.
Speaker 5:Don't deny it. It's not enough. It may be for you, but it's not going to be enough to sit on the sidelines and make the moral plea. The moral plea that no, this is wrong. It's not gonna last.
Speaker 5:There's too much money to be made and there's it's it's it's too productive. It's it's here. Alright? So I say get get get your own your own yourself. Voice, likeness, etcetera.
Speaker 5:Trademark it. Whatever you gotta do.
Speaker 2:I saw
Speaker 5:you did that. Yeah. Get own own yourself. So when and if when it comes, not if it comes, no one can steal you. But they're gonna have to come to you to go, can I?
Speaker 5:Or they're bring a breach and you'll have the chance to be your own agency and go, yeah, for this amount or no. Okay? It's coming. Is it gonna be another category or is it gonna infiltrate our categories? It's damn sure gonna infiltrate infiltrate our category.
Speaker 5:I think it'll end up. Does it become another category? Will we be in five years having films the best AI film? The best AI actor? Maybe.
Speaker 5:I think it might be that might be the thing is that becomes another category. I'm not sure. It's gonna be in front of us in ways that we don't even
Speaker 2:see I'm not watching movies if it's AI or not. No AI is going to get me to start watching movies.
Speaker 1:Question of reality.
Speaker 2:I don't watch them.
Speaker 5:That's more hateful than ever, in a very exciting way, I think. Yeah. But also a scary way.
Speaker 2:This is great industry leadership. I love it. Very
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I can see there being an incremental category. That said, I still think AI will be used in every category.
Speaker 2:That's what he says.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. He says he's definitely says he doesn't know the timeline, he's not sure exactly how this will come out. But he there might be a new category, just like there's best animated film at the Oscars, but then CGI and animation works its way into the Avengers, which is not an animated film, but Thanos was animated with CGI. It just wasn't hand drawn.
Speaker 2:And so the categories blur together. Clearly, AI is coming for all sorts of different levels of the stack, and he's just saying, you shouldn't just sit by and hope that it doesn't happen. You should embrace and figure out how you fit in. There is a $36,500,000 waterfront compound for sale in the Florida Keys. Take a look
Speaker 1:at this picture.
Speaker 2:Has 1,700 feet of shoreline and two five thousand square foot homes. You thinking what I'm thinking? Next door neighbors?
Speaker 1:That's right. That's right. That's right. We could do it. So so you remember, I think it not not Asana, the Atlassian.
Speaker 2:They did.
Speaker 1:They had this crazy So so the founders of Atlassian, they were besties. Yes. They built this massive company together. Wildly successful. Multi gen, you know, basically two decade run.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Incredible run. And they decide, you know, we've had incredible run. Let's let's keep the run going. Let's buy houses right next to each other.
Speaker 1:Yep. They end up getting a massive in a massive feud over
Speaker 2:it. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I think it destroys the friendship. Hope hopefully, it's recovered by now. Yeah. But we could do it.
Speaker 2:Oh, you think you think we could do it?
Speaker 1:I think we could
Speaker 2:do it. You you don't think you'd be bothered by my industrial grade Wi penetrating while you're trying to sleep? You don't think that would bother I
Speaker 1:think I think that would be that
Speaker 2:would be the straw that broke the counter.
Speaker 1:I'd be like, John, you have to turn off the WiFi after 10PM when we're sleeping. It disrupts the sleep.
Speaker 2:Stop listening to movies all night long at full blast volume. I don't care. I don't wanna see the second and third matrix or hear them through
Speaker 1:the walls. You'd be you'd be in the backyard with your VR headset on, but playing
Speaker 2:movie But playing the audio fully and so you can still
Speaker 1:hear falling you'd be falling asleep Yes. With it on, so it'd just be blaring.
Speaker 2:Exactly. Exactly.
Speaker 1:That would be the end of TBPN.
Speaker 2:That would be the end.
Speaker 1:So we won't be doing this.
Speaker 2:But what what a funny what a funny situation. So it's a 10 acre waterfront property in the Florida Keys.
Speaker 1:The rest of us just move in together.
Speaker 2:No. You need you need two properties that are as close as possible next to each other. Eddie Garcia bought the is the Isla Isla Murata property for about fifteen years ago. Waterman specializes in developing master planned communities throughout Florida, Garcia said. He originally intended to create a small development on the land, but he wound up falling in love with the site and instead turned it into a family compound.
Speaker 2:My kids grew up there fishing, lobstering, crabbing, you name it. He was on open claw before it even existed. Did you hear the drama about there was a there was a reporter was it at Reuters or something? But he was accused of using AI to write all of his Olympics coverage, and it had all the telltale signs of AI generated sort of slop. And the editor in chief backed the journalist and said, no, he always writes like that.
Speaker 2:That's what he sounds like.
Speaker 1:They trained on him.
Speaker 2:They trained on him. And then Pangram came in and said, well, we pulled we pulled the receipts. And he didn't use to write like that before AI. And so you can look at the chart.
Speaker 1:Maybe he's really bullish on AI. And so he only will read outputs now. He doesn't read any organic.
Speaker 2:Tyler challenge?
Speaker 1:Tyler challenge. Write something by hand.
Speaker 3:100% is really hard.
Speaker 2:A 100, yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:Over 90%. Between now and when the Palmer interview ends, you have to write 500 words that score have to it
Speaker 2:off with like, sorry, as an AI model, I can't answer this, but I'll try anyway. This isn't just a this, it's that. Anything else you'd like me to expand this prompt with? And then you'll trigger it. That's the hack.
Speaker 2:You think?
Speaker 1:And if you win, you get a $50 gift card to Matu pick yourself up some cheesesteak sandwiches.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. I was thinking something book related Tonight.
Speaker 1:So there's $50 50 whole dollars on the line. 50 smackaroos. Go. Two weeks ago, the Epstein Files podcast didn't exist. Today, it's about to cross 500,000 downloads and sitting in Apple Podcast Top 20 series between The New York Times and NBC News.
Speaker 1:I vibe coded every episode with Claude from real Epstein court documents. So so basically he just like fully generated
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:A podcast. Yeah. It is charting.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So this
Speaker 2:For something like this, it makes a ton of sense to just programmatically like sort of put everything together because it's there's so many files. It's a perfect use case for for AI to sort of like synthesize comb through.
Speaker 1:And there is there is unlimited demand for Epstein related content. Totally. That's Before we bring in our next guest, we gotta check-in with Tyler
Speaker 2:Oh, yes.
Speaker 1:On his project.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay. So so I can read my Yes. My little essay.
Speaker 2:And you swear. And you swear on your life that you did not use AI to generate this.
Speaker 3:Correct. Yeah. You can check you can check my my chat logs. Okay. Did not use any AI.
Speaker 3:Okay. And if
Speaker 1:you win Ready? Yes. You get a $50
Speaker 2:This is this is Tyler's impression Okay. Of cheese steak
Speaker 3:So I want you to also try to guess what what the percentage is.
Speaker 2:Okay.
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Speaker 1:Okay. I'm I'm putting it at 90
Speaker 2:I think it's 6%. I I think this is gonna come back at a full 100.
Speaker 3:Well, a 100%.
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