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Matt (00:01)
Good morning and welcome to another episode of the Man Warrior King podcast. I'm your host, Matt Halleck, and we are here today. We're, we're in the middle of a very fun and powerful series with Chris Miser. We've been having all kinds of conversations over the last few weeks as you've been following along with us. And we're back again today with another.
Another topic that will I think will prove to be ⁓ quite interesting and quite then we might go all kinds of places as evidenced by with a conversation we were just having off the recording. So we wanted to make sure we got on the recording before we got too exciting. So Chris, welcome back. Thanks for being here. So today we are discussing the DNA of adventure, correct?
Christopher Miser (00:47)
What's up?
I'll be.
Yeah, yeah, that's a great way to put it. The adventure gene, the DNA of adventure.
Matt (00:58)
Okay.
Okay. The adventure gene.
Yeah. So where, where, where do you want to start with this? Um, I know where we're going to end up. We're going to end up with talking about where we're headed in the next few months. I think that's what we'll talk about that towards the end, but yeah. What, what got this ball rolling in your mind?
Christopher Miser (01:12)
my goodness.
Well, I love adventure. Well, my whole family, mean, you love adventure, we all love adventure. We love going on adventures, we love checking out new stuff. for my family and I, we love going on adventures, whether it's skiing or whether it's hiking or going to a different country. My wife and I love to travel, so we save money just so we can go travel somewhere and see something new. I mean, that is like...
Matt (01:27)
this adventure team. Yeah, OK.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (01:57)
We just love adventure. But I also, I've just been doing kind of my own little, some research on adventure when it comes to leadership. I know that may seem a little weird to some people linking those together, but really, leadership is an adventure. we talk about walking with God, walking with God is an adventure. mean, everything, we're in this adventure together.
Matt (01:59)
Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (02:26)
called life and There's just so many cool things to do and see it's anyways. It's just something I've been studying and you've done a lot of research and writings on DNA and the DNA of a man and When we talk about different theories theories of evolution DNA is something that comes up when we talk about creation and and and how God created us we're talking about DNA and
Matt (02:34)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (02:57)
⁓ it's like it is a creator's, I mean, it, it, it, shows God all day long in how we have been built and designed. And I think I believe very strongly that God gave me, ⁓ a passion for adventure. And so, and he gave our family a passion for adventure. So it's something that I've been kind of studying and researching.
Matt (03:04)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (03:22)
I just
think it's super cool. The stuff I've found out is super cool and learned, and I'm by no means even scratching the surface of it all. Nor am I a scientist, nor do I, but I love to research it. So it's been fun. I thought I'd share some of that stuff with you.
Matt (03:36)
Yeah, well I'm excited.
Yeah, I'm excited to get into that stuff and I am of the opinion too that I mean, I suppose there's people out there who may not like adventure as much, but it does seem like we were wired for adventure, you know, and I would
This is probably really presumptuous of me, but I would probably even argue that those who say they don't like adventure, that's not how they were originally intended. They've probably been burned by something or other. There's things that happen in life that make you get jaded or whatever, but it seems like adventure is hardwired into us, in my opinion. And I think that we live in a system
that kind of discourages it. Like I remember, you know, growing up and so this is the path of life. You go to school, you go to college, you get a good job. Like there's just a lot baked into the system that tries to keep you from adventure, from risking. ⁓ And I would even say that sometimes like we Christians can begin to think that way too.
You know, it's just a hard life and it's a fallen world. so things like we kind of have, we kind of end up just hanging on for heaven instead of embracing everything that's meant to be here right now. And so I think it's a really important topic because when you stop having adventure, you kind of die a little bit on the inside, in my opinion. ⁓ None of that is from any research. What's that?
Christopher Miser (05:21)
Man, that's a great point. That's super cool.
No, that's a great point. I mean, you're absolutely right. There's we do live in a fallen world, but man, when I am out and when I am out in God's creation or when you're spending time with other people, you'll see that that while we live in a fallen world, we also live in an amazing world, an incredible world created by God that.
Matt (05:44)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (05:48)
and he wants us to enjoy it and to manage it properly and to praise him and worship him through it. going, because when I'm out on an adventure, when I'm skiing on the mountain and I look around and I see all the mountains and the trees and the snow and everything, and I'm there with my family, you're looking around, you're just like, this is so incredible. And you can praise God just through like, just being in awe of it is so.
Matt (05:57)
Yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (06:16)
is praising God. ⁓ And
Matt (06:19)
Totally.
Christopher Miser (06:20)
that's the here and now, Matt. So you're absolutely right. I love it.
Matt (06:23)
Yeah, yeah. So, so what is what's some of the interesting research that you've been digging into about all this stuff?
Christopher Miser (06:34)
Well, it kind of started with just looking up whether adventure is designed in us or are we designed with a passion for adventure? And you had mentioned that you think it's probably just inherently in all of us. And I would agree it just might look different, know? Like one guy really, really loves or girl guy or girl really loves riding Harleys across the state. ⁓
Matt (06:44)
Yeah.
Sure. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Christopher Miser (07:02)
And that's an adventure for them. And that's super cool. And while another guy loves to just go down to his local lake and maybe, you know, maybe he lives in a suburban area and he just goes down to the local city lake and he fishes. And for him, is that is adventure enough and that is perfect. And so everybody's a little bit different. Or there's someone like, you know, I've mentioned Alex Honnold before, because I think the guys.
Matt (07:18)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (07:30)
super cool, his adventures are super cool, he, a big rock climber. or there's him who, you know, free climbs. ⁓
Matt (07:34)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (07:41)
all over the world and that is something that's too much of an adventure for me. So we all have our levels. But so I was looking up the adventure gene and then it's just kind of ⁓ called that but it's not really an adventure gene but it is labeled as, it's one of the ⁓ receptor genes and it's DRD4 and
Matt (07:42)
Yeah. ⁓
Hehehehehe
Mm-hmm.
Christopher Miser (08:09)
There's several of them, there's DRD1, 2, 3, 4, and I think 5. Again, I'm ⁓ not an expert on all of this, but one of them is, so all of those receptors, ⁓ you've probably heard of dopamine as far
Matt (08:26)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (08:27)
as, so we talk about like, in today's day and age, go, ⁓ man, I gotta get those likes on my Instagram or whatever to get my dopamine fix.
Matt (08:36)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (08:37)
The dopamine, that's what those receptors receive that dopamine. Certain receptors are, they believe, ⁓ are where kind of like addiction would come from. you may be predisposed, so some people may be predisposed to certain addictions. And a lot, some of this is theory, some of this is probably proven, but bottom line is like, I think DRD1, that receptor is,
Matt (08:52)
Mm.
Christopher Miser (09:07)
is
more aligned or ⁓ connected to addiction issues, whether that be alcoholism, whether that be gambling, promiscuity, those kinds of things. But specifically, the DRD4 ⁓ is the receptor gene that is more on the side of the risk taking. So you're getting your dopamine fix, for lack of better words, from that adventure.
Matt (09:14)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (09:37)
And
we're gonna talk more about the adventure I'm gonna go on, but there's a gentleman that's actually hiking the trail that I want that I'm gonna hike. He's on the trail now. I don't know him. I just kind of follow a couple of his videos and stuff, but he has been, ⁓ I think he suffered from alcoholism from what I can see from his videos, but he's been ⁓ free of that for six months so far. And that's awesome.
Matt (09:49)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (10:06)
Like, so that's that's a really awesome thing that he's working on that. And one of the things that has helped him is the adventure of that hike, of being out
there. And so there is. There is data there to support ⁓ the idea of of filling your life with things that. That do satisfy. ⁓
what you need and for maybe, I mean, you could maybe make the argument that maybe it's more like risk taking is more maybe what men need to do. I don't know that that's true. There's plenty of women that love to take risk. Taking risk can be a very healthy thing. And
Matt (10:48)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (10:53)
especially when kids take a little bit of risk, hopefully it's monitored somewhat so they don't kill themselves, but there's a little bit of risk. That's good, because then they learn limits. They also learn
⁓ Well, not only their limits, but they also have there's some fun in that there's fun in risk-taking that's why we we're
Matt (11:11)
Yeah, yeah.
Christopher Miser (11:13)
talking about theme parks man I mean, that's why we love roller coasters. That's why we love going fast in our cars or motorcycles there's a little bit of risk there and we we enjoy that and And I don't think that that's a bad thing now addictions can be but but the adventure gene is cool. It's something I've been researching and ⁓ I think that God has really
Matt (11:21)
Totally.
Christopher Miser (11:35)
And for a lot of us, think God has placed that passion for those kinds of things in our lives to give us that satisfaction, that satisfaction we love and crave. yeah,
Matt (11:41)
Yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (11:50)
so anyways, I don't know where else I was going with that. Yeah.
Matt (11:53)
Well, it up a few things for me. One of them was
the... It's really interesting that...
There's like a real, sounds to me not having any knowledge of, you know, the science of DNA, but what you're describing the DRD one, two, three, four, five, it's really interesting that adventure and risk taking the DRD four thing is in the same like ballpark as these addictive other, other areas, other receptors.
And it's just interesting. It almost makes the one feel like a cheap counterfeit of the real, right? that's like, it made me think of, like as a kid, now, I'll play some video games these days with our girls for family fun time. But like, I can think of, you know, when I was younger and I'd play longer video games, like, there's a dopamine hit that comes from the win, right?
Christopher Miser (12:38)
Yeah.
Matt (13:00)
from the adventure, from making progress through the game, all that. mean, it feels good, but I can remember at times when I'm like, my gosh, I gotta stop, I gotta like go do something. Getting back into the real world, and I remember even back then feeling like, okay, so me now going and doing a thing that actually matters, let's say it was like senior year of high school, planning chapels or something like that.
That was where I actually could feel myself coming alive when I was actually going out and conquering, not just on the screen. So it's really, that's an interesting that there's science to that feeling of the cheap counterfeit versus the real thing. ⁓ And I do think, yeah, go ahead.
Christopher Miser (13:49)
So yeah,
well, I do want to clarify. think it is four, Dyard. I think there's four ⁓ dopamine receptors. Sorry. So I said five. think there's four. ⁓ And when you're talking about addiction being in close, so closely, so in such close ⁓ proximity with the adventure gene, if you will, which is not really what it's called. ⁓
Matt (14:01)
Okay.
Like, yeah.
Christopher Miser (14:19)
There is a version of that dopamine receptor, DRD4, which is the DRD47R version. And that is the gene, the dopamine receptor that is associated with promiscuity.
Matt (14:35)
Really? Wow.
Christopher Miser (14:36)
So when you talk about how close they are, they're very close because that adventure gene, a different version of it is points to, yes, it's a very, very interesting thing. And that's why I have been doing a little bit of research on it because I think it's so important that we fill our lives with
Matt (14:47)
Yeah, that's fascinating.
Christopher Miser (15:06)
positive adventure like good good adventure and good ways of feeling good because the whole idea of so normal binding of dopamine the whole point is To feel good. That's why we that's why we get the likes. That's why we do we know we're doing it to feel good even though sometimes I think it's subconscious we do more of it to feel good or to mask
Matt (15:08)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (15:34)
You might play, maybe you're playing video games just to escape the world that makes you sad. And so you want to feel good. So that's the whole point of all of it is we want to feel good. And so we need to be very careful what we fill our lives with to feel good. And yeah.
Matt (15:41)
Yeah, yeah.
That's really good. That's interesting.
It's like it makes me think of. ⁓ Well. So it makes me think that the answer. Is not like OK, I'm I so much to for for listeners, so as if you guys have listened to me for awhile, you know that I. I am one of the things I'm about is helping Christians discover.
the unhealthy mentalities that you might carry around thinking that you're trying to be a good Christian, but actually hurting your own self in the process. And I think one of these mentalities that's coming up is ⁓ it's not about whether I feel good or not. It's about giving glory to God. And yes, it is about giving glory to God, but that does not come at the cost of you feeling good in life.
And so we have in the church, think we have this ⁓ this aversion to seeking out feeling good. And what it seems like the science here that you're talking about, it seems like we are wired to feel good one way or the other. So if we're intentionally trying to deprive ourselves of even feeling good in a good way, we're almost setting ourselves up more for.
unhealthy addiction, secret sins and things like that because we've been trying to do the good religious thing all along. Why not just come fully alive, pursue the things that God designed us to pursue that create that internal reward mechanism going off in us and remove ourselves from the need for the other dopamine. You know what I mean? Is that making sense?
Christopher Miser (17:48)
It totally makes sense. And I think everybody would agree that when for I can just speak for myself. I'm there are times where I want to do something that I shouldn't do.
When I do it anyways, I satisfy the desire that I had to do that, but I don't feel good. I actually feel guilty and I don't feel good about doing what I wasn't supposed to do. mean, that's so feeling good when we, I think we kind of we were like, well, in order if we're in order to walk with God, we kind of have to give up a lot of these things that
Matt (18:14)
No, right.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (18:35)
would make me feel good. so we have and I think that might like you said, that's a faulty way of looking at it. ⁓ In fact, if you're walking with God and you're just like you're committed to him and and and you're you're studying his word and you are praising him and you are involved in in what he wants you to be involved in and you're pursuing the things he wants you to pursue, you're going to feel good about that. That that's going to bring you
Matt (18:36)
Yeah, yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Christopher Miser (19:05)
Not just satisfaction, but also it's going to bring you joy and happiness and peace and
because that's all things that God is and and For me personally Matt Adventure does that I mean adventure like going on adventure just brings me closer to God and brings me just so much joy ⁓ It just brings me a bunch of joy, I don't know how else to put it, but it's all through
Matt (19:14)
Yeah. For sure. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (19:34)
God. I'm not, that's why when I'm out hiking, most of the time, the people that are out there, ⁓ they're giving glory and honor to mother nature. ⁓ they're giving glory and honor to, a love is love bumper sticker or something to that effect, but very, you know, I meet very few people that are giving glory and honor to God through his creation. And I,
Matt (19:40)
Yeah.
Wow.
Christopher Miser (20:04)
And that's
something that I want, that is a gap I want to fill. I want to bring that ⁓ into those adventures and those sports that I like to do. when I'm out, if I'm mountain biking, man, ⁓ I'm biking through woods that God literally created with his hands. And I just, it's so cool. It's motivational to me. ⁓
Matt (20:11)
Yeah. Oh,
Christopher Miser (20:33)
And it makes
Matt (20:33)
man.
Christopher Miser (20:33)
me feel good. I don't need anything. I don't need all the other things that to satisfy my dopamine fix. I just don't need them. ⁓ And so anyways.
Matt (20:39)
Totally.
Yeah, I mean, I know what you're talking about. The the outdoors of the West have long been like my my favorite setting anywhere like the Sierra Nevadas like the I Cannot get enough of the Sierra Nevadas when I'm out there even if I'm not technically like super adventuring right like backpacking or whatever, but just being Outside in that stuff. It makes me come along
as well. And I think you are right. Like when you said earlier, the adventure looks different for everybody, right? I think so.
But I do think now as we're talking You've said a few things that have really that have really made me need so you talked about risk And it's funny because actually I've been doing a series on risk in my Tuesday night ⁓ Warriors ranks group for the last month or so ⁓ Where we've been talking about taking risk as as often a requirement for breakthrough in someone's life and
So I've been looking at the Bible through the lens of risk taking, and it's basically every person that God ever interacts with to do something for him.
Christopher Miser (22:04)
Yeah, that's so true. I mean, yeah,
so many stories of that.
Matt (22:08)
I mean, it's everybody, ⁓ Noah was taking a risk of investing who knows how many years of his life to build this boat that had no purpose yet, right? ⁓ Abraham, I know, right. Plus I'm of the opinion that at the time there was a bunch of giants and evil half-breed Nephilim things running the earth while he's there building a boat. So there's this kind of a sketchy adventure going on for him at that point. ⁓
Christopher Miser (22:10)
Yeah.
Talk about adventure.
Matt (22:38)
And then you've got like Abraham where God says, hey, leave your father's house and go to a place. I'm not going to tell you where yet, but just go. And you've got Joseph kind of being thrust into an adventure by his, you know, brothers who weren't doing their, their brotherly jobs. But, you've got Moses got, he, he had set up a life for himself safe and comfy in the wilderness outside of Egypt. and God invites him to take a risk to go back and to lead us a nation of
Christopher Miser (23:02)
That's right.
Matt (23:08)
millions of people with no infrastructure and no communication like systems and we're just going to go do this, Moses. You know, like it's everywhere. And so what, even if somebody's not, you know, into outdoors, doesn't, it, and that form of adventure, God works with his people through adventure, regardless of what it looks like is my opinion. Every single person is called to an adventure. ⁓
Christopher Miser (23:31)
Absolutely.
you're right. mean, Joshua
and Jericho, ⁓ David and Goliath. I mean, over and over and over again, God used strong people to step up and take some risk. Esther, Esther, she he called her to stand up and take the ultimate risk, which was potentially the king is not going to allow her to live.
Matt (23:38)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly. then like, yeah, Esther.
Absolutely.
Christopher Miser (24:04)
And so, yeah,
absolutely. that's cool, man. Love it.
Matt (24:07)
It is. It's men and women
alike. It's Esther. It's Ruth was on an adventure leaving her home country. Mary, obviously, the biggest risk, like you're going to become pregnant without a husband. You know, like there's, it's just, I think it's the way that God works. ⁓ So whether you're man or woman or you like the outdoors or not, you're called into an adventure of some sort, just because I think our God is a God of risk.
Christopher Miser (24:11)
Yes, yeah.
Yes.
Yes. Well, and I really believe, because this is something that ⁓ recently, and we've talked about it on your podcast already, and we'll probably talk about it more in the future, but that is that when God reached out to me while I was on an adventure, and God reached out to me through the Holy Spirit and started literally telling me what I need to do.
I knew in that moment, even though I'm arguing with God, by the time I'm done arguing with God, I know that God is asking me to take some risk. And if I don't, he's just gonna find someone else to take the risk. he's just, I realized in that moment that that's the last thing that I want. I do not want to be passed up. Like, I'm just, I'm ready. Okay, fine. don't even, some of it I don't really wanna do, but at the same time,
Matt (25:09)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (25:31)
God is asking me. He's asking, if we're Christians, he's asking all of us, if we believe in him, he's asking all of us to take risk for him and praise his name, walk with him and start just going crazy for him. And he's asking everybody to do that.
And if we all jump in, there's no stopping that movement. cause it's, cause it's backed by God.
Matt (25:54)
Right.
Do you feel like, since you've decided to say yes to his invitation, and I know that meant ⁓ job change and stuff, do you feel like, even though there's some of this that you have admittedly, like, don't really want to do all of what you're asking of me, God, do you feel like even so?
you've come alive more in saying yes than you would have if you just kept going the other path.
Christopher Miser (26:31)
In most aspects, yes. Yeah. In most cases, yes. But there are still times, for example, I really don't like social media, Matt. You know that. I really don't. But I'm really feeling pushed to do more stuff with social media to share and to encourage ⁓ other believers in their walk. But I don't want to. And I really haven't found.
Matt (26:43)
Yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (26:59)
Like as I do a little bit more social media, I don't really find a whole lot of personal satisfaction from it. I, but I, there's definitely the Holy Spirit is pushing me to, to, to do that. So I, I don't know, but I don't really, I still don't want to, and I don't find a lot of satisfaction from social media stuff, but I do find satisfaction and I love sharing. ⁓
Matt (27:05)
Yeah.
Sure.
Christopher Miser (27:29)
what God has in plan for all of us and for me and for sharing that story and for encouraging others. I love that. So if that's what that does, that'll be great. ⁓ But, and we'll probably talk more, because I have some plans with Instagram and some other stuff, so.
Matt (27:31)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, so you're obviously having to do some stuff that is not not necessarily your favorite cup of tea, but.
Christopher Miser (27:59)
And self doubt too a little bit, Matt, sometimes, you know, like I'm like, ⁓ I, I'm the wrong person to send that message, you know?
Matt (28:06)
I know how that feels. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (28:09)
So that's also, that just weighs on you.
Matt (28:12)
It does, that's true. But I gotta think that, I gotta think that it weighs on you in a way, at least it weighs on you while you know you are walking a road that God's inviting you into instead of having the fact that you're avoiding the road that he's asking you to take weigh on you. I think those are two very different burdens to carry, you know, and you know, yeah, so I think like,
Christopher Miser (28:38)
That's a good point.
Matt (28:42)
Yeah, so much so much of the time and you look at scripture, people saying yes to God's invitation, it brought. New challenges that they wouldn't have faced had they said no. ⁓ But. Gosh, for me, it just seems like. There's a this is strong work, but there's a rotting that happens on the inside of someone when.
they know that they're meant for something more, but they've listened to the voices that say, don't do it, you can't do it, you're not cut out for it. And it might feel like it's the safe zone, the comfort zone to not take, to say yes to God's invitation, but it really seems like it produces a rot on the inside that is, it's not worth it.
And that's a strong way to put it, I just, that's the way I see it. And a lot of people I've interacted with and I work with and stuff. ⁓
Christopher Miser (29:52)
Well, that's a great that point. It goes right along with what we feel. Where do we get our dopamine? Where what is satisfying us when you talk about rot? There are there are places we are going to get that fix that is literally making us rotten. It's poisoning us, whether it's pornography because we're addicted to that or whether it's drugs because we're addicted to that. mean, drugs and alcohol are physically poisoning you.
Matt (30:00)
Yeah.
Yeah, sure.
Christopher Miser (30:23)
Pornography
is emotionally and mentally and a bunch of psychologically poisoning you and probably even physically poisoning you too. And then you have, there's all these things that you're getting your dopamine fix on that are poisoning your body and poisoning your mind. And God is saying there's a better way for you to get your fix. And really it's through, it's from him. Like that's where your fix comes from.
Matt (30:30)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yep. Yep.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (30:52)
Wanting more of that and so I don't know Matt. What do you think about? ⁓ Do you think that there's good addictions?
Matt (31:01)
Yeah, that's a good question. I think there can be, like I've actually said praying for people to be healed is addicting. So I think there can be.
Christopher Miser (31:12)
Hmm.
Matt (31:21)
as long as they don't become something you need in order to be okay. Right? So I think our typical definition of addiction is somebody now needs this thing in order to function. And so that, would say, a healthy addiction still probably shouldn't go that far. ⁓ But if we take it to mean
Christopher Miser (31:38)
Yeah.
Matt (31:51)
⁓ this is what I love to do as much as I possibly can. Right? I think that that sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (31:58)
Is that OK? Because
I'm addicted to ⁓ I think I'm addicted to backpacking. Is that OK? don't. ⁓ But yeah, no, think. Yeah, that makes sense, Matt.
Matt (32:05)
Alright. ⁓
Yeah, so I think and that's a really good question, but I think it I think so like let's it's it's where like I think someone could maybe have this love of building things right like businesses and and just you know really adept in the business world and I think that can be a really good thing until it becomes My family's suffering my wife feels like I'm not with her anymore. You know all that stuff or ⁓
Christopher Miser (32:29)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (32:43)
Or even like I just said, praying for people to be healed is addicting. There's an incredible excitement and rush and feeling of euphoria that comes when you're actually ministering the power of the kingdom to somebody. But even that, if I'm doing that and then my life gets out of balance and my family is like, well, you care about those people on the street more than you care about us, then of course that's not gonna be good either. So I think ⁓ these healthy
addictions if you will have to ⁓ have to be not taking over everything like an unhealthy addiction does ⁓ and i think
I think for me.
pretty much like right now I would say there is a ⁓ healthy addiction of wanting to, this might be kind of controversial for some people, but a healthy addiction of wanting to win. I think Christians kind of have in mind that, well, there's no guarantee you're always gonna win. And there's no guarantee that maybe some of the challenges in your life are from God.
that he has this in his plan for you. I, people who are listeners for a while know that I don't believe that in any sense, in any way at all. believe that scripture says that he leads us in triumph always. ⁓ And it says that all of the promises of God are yes in Christ. And so not just some of them, not only the ones that God decided to make available to you, it says all of them. So right now I have this
if you will, quote unquote, addiction for digging deeper into him and into the process of learning how to win against some things that ⁓ are long standing enemies in my life. ⁓ kind of an inside view on what it means to me at the moment, we're talking about. I don't know, what do you think about that though, about healthy addiction?
Christopher Miser (35:08)
Well, think ultimately it probably just comes down to does the addiction, if you love doing something, I don't know if that is an addiction. If you love woodworking, like you said, is that an addiction? I don't know. Maybe it's just something you're really passionate about. if you feel like you're addicted to it, is it taking away from time spent with God? Or maybe it could be unhealthy. But I think there's
having things you love to do and then doing those and also glorifying God through it like you gave me these skills these passions and you're doing it then and in a way you're almost going to be addicted to doing those things more and more for the glory of him and and and feeding your life with that and that's going to that's going to make you whole give you joy and hope and and
Matt (35:54)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (36:04)
peace and then that's gonna transfer over to the people in your life that you care and love for or are friends with. So I think overall there probably could be healthy addictions as long as they're giving honor and glory to God. So.
Matt (36:23)
Yeah, yeah,
yeah, that makes sense. It's a good question to think through. And I think it's an important one because like we've said already, for Christians especially, to maybe allow themselves to desire if they haven't. Allow themselves to embrace things that they love if they've been misapplying, taking up their cross and following Jesus, right?
giving up like, ⁓ that means that anything I enjoy is pretty much I'm going to have to give up because sacrifice is the only thing that marks the life of a Christian, no kind of satisfaction or happiness or something. So I think it's an important question ⁓ for people to consider for sure. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (37:14)
Well, when you talk about healing,
healing and also just helping others can be a very addicting thing. And there are lots of people that help others that do not believe in Jesus, for example. There are lots of people involved in charities all over the world helping others. I do believe that, though, for Christians, when you
when you are helping others and if you're addicted to that, I don't think that's a wrong thing. However, you should be doing it for the glory and honor of God. you're helping that person and you are reaching out to that person, you're giving them aid because they are created by God. They are ⁓ loved by him and they should be loved by you the same.
Matt (37:49)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (38:08)
If you're addicted to that, you should be addicted to it for the right reasons. So there are,
Matt (38:14)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (38:15)
ultimately, there are good people doing good things, taking care of people, but ultimately, though, it is about eternal life. It is about salvation. for all of us.
Matt (38:31)
Yeah, yeah, that's
Right, and doing those things from a place of love for the other person. I've actually, when I've taught people how to pray for healing for others, one of the most important parts of of that lesson is what's the motivation that it comes from? Because you can go to minister to somebody
Christopher Miser (38:46)
Okay.
Matt (39:00)
as trying to just they become a notch in your belt, right? Like, so I'm going to go out and pray for people to be healed so I can make a trophy out of that cool healing story. it scripture talks about how faith works through love. So I want to go in to have faith for healing for someone, but I've got it. That faith has to operate through a love for the person. So when I, when I learned
Christopher Miser (39:11)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
you
Matt (39:30)
that, my goodness, like my mind changed completely when I learned this. Like I used to be kind of nervous to go think about praying for someone to be healed. And it still is nerve wracking, right? You just have a stranger, like you walk up to them out of nowhere and you have this crazy thing that you want to do. Like that's nerve wracking. But it used to feel a lot more nervous until I made a mental shift where it was like,
I just get to go love this person like crazy with an answer that nobody else around in this grocery store has for them. And so when my motivation is, ⁓ my gosh, like, I don't want you to lose your leg to an amputation. thinking of a mechanic I had in California. ⁓ I don't want you to lose your leg. Like, no, let's not let that happen.
Christopher Miser (40:21)
Sure.
Matt (40:30)
It it it when the love is the motivation it kind of takes away a lot of the nerve-wracking Like feeling because I'm just all in this all for you and it has nothing to do with me I don't even care if you think I'm crazy because I love you so much right now so You're right the the place that it's coming from is Incredibly important and it actually when it comes to things like healing I find that it actually creates a more or less efficacy
depending on what your motivation is when you're doing it. So it's a good point to bring up for sure.
Christopher Miser (41:05)
I was looking up something, I was listening to what you were saying, Matt, but at the same time, because I remembered we didn't talk about this, ⁓ about bringing this up, but Simon, the magician that is mentioned in Acts 8, where there was that man named Simon who was formally practicing, who was practicing magic. And then he saw ⁓
Matt (41:17)
yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (41:31)
So he saw Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God. And then Simon, he believed, but then he saw miracles happening and he was astonished and he wanted to perform those miracles, but he wanted to perform the miracles for the wrong reason. He was like, my goodness, like look at these guys performing miracles. These are super, super cool. And so he wanted that ability to bring glory to himself, which is later in the chapter shown that ⁓ the magician
Matt (41:53)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (42:00)
what he had the wrong motives. He wanted to bring this magic and these miracles to people for himself. ⁓ And so that's a great for anybody who wants to research that more. That's Acts chapter eight, where it talks about Simon the magician, which is a really, it's an interesting story for sure. A peculiar story.
Matt (42:02)
Yeah, yep.
That's right. That's right. That's a great example.
It's so interesting.
Yeah, that actually reminds me of another one in X where it was like about the sons of Sceva and they were trying to cast out demons using the name of Jesus, but not from a place of authenticity. And the demons are like, well, we know Jesus and we even know Paul is, but we don't know you. And they like thrash those guys.
Christopher Miser (42:45)
⁓
my gosh, that is a wild story too. Yeah. Yeah. my goodness.
Matt (42:50)
Isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. both
of those are the, what you're saying. That's the same thing. It's like, it's like doing the, the, the external deeds of ministering to people, but from it's completely inauthentic place on the inside, it's not, it's not going to go well, especially when you start messing with demons in that, in that way. That's, that's, yeah, that's interesting. is there,
I want to make sure like is there any any more to the to what you've been researching about this stuff that you want to make sure we touch on here today or should we jump in the adventure coming up?
Christopher Miser (43:29)
Well, there's a ton. No, there's a
lot. But did we talk, Matt, last time? have we talked about the, about DNA as far as just how...
Matt (43:42)
So there was
one ⁓ episode where we talked about how much it will fill up if you type it out and stuff like that, which is fascinating.
Christopher Miser (43:48)
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Which is, is fascinating. when you start studying just how we are made from DNA to, so one of the things, if you read a guy named, you and I talked about him, Ray Comfort, who he ⁓ wrote a introduction in a book before the origin of species by Charles Darwin.
Matt (44:08)
Uh-huh.
Christopher Miser (44:17)
And he's basically showing a lot of the holes that are in evolution, which is ⁓ numerous holes. But he talks about the eye. So when we talk, when we're talking about DNA and I think last time we talked about being careful what, what we look at and what comes into our eye, our eye is like something like 40 different parts and none of the parts can work without the other parts. So all 40, like if you were missing one piece or
Matt (44:34)
Yeah.
Hmm.
Christopher Miser (44:47)
or if you're missing anything from the structure of an eye, it won't work. It is a fascinating, ⁓ the book is the origin of species with an introduction by Ray Comfort. It's fascinating if you're interested in kind of ⁓ researching the difference in the theory of evolution and ⁓ what I'm gonna call the fact of a creator, the fact of creation.
Matt (44:58)
Yeah. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (45:13)
it is a, if you can look at that,
with an open mind, ⁓ you will, I really do believe you have to come to the conclusion that there is a creator, first and foremost. Scientifically and statistically, it's impossible for there to be any other way. So ⁓ that's a great read, but it goes into DNA and what we're talking, it doesn't go into the different receptor genes, but that's just all part of it, is that like God lit like,
Matt (45:26)
Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Christopher Miser (45:46)
created you unlike any other being in the entire world both before and after. So there's never going to be a you. There is never going to be the same DNA as you. It's impossible to have another DNA that's identical. ⁓ There's arguments that we have DNA that's close to an ape. And while the DNA structure might be similar or very, close, we're not even, we're 50
Matt (45:55)
Huh.
Christopher Miser (46:15)
Our DNA shares 50 % of a banana. ⁓
Matt (46:21)
That's crazy.
Christopher Miser (46:22)
you can't, those are flawed assumptions or flawed conclusions to come to. ⁓ You are unlike any, you are unlike any other human that has ever existed, which I think they have, they've estimated that 108 billion humans have existed since the huma-
Matt (46:27)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (46:45)
dawn of humanity. So of those billion and the many more to come and all the angels, right? All the other beings that are out there and all the animals, there's not a DNA that's the same. every piece of you was created.
Matt (46:46)
and
That's so crazy.
Christopher Miser (47:03)
just for you. And that includes the things you're passionate about and excited about. So that's just been something I just been just, I don't know, it pumps me up, man.
Matt (47:08)
⁓ That.
Me too. Yeah. I remember like last time when you mentioned if you typed out all of the DNA like sequence in your body, it would go to the moon and back like a hundred thousand times or a hundred times.
Christopher Miser (47:28)
Yeah, yeah,
I think to the sun and back, 800. It's actually in this book. It talks about, ⁓ I think it's 800 million or something like that. It's great. Or 600 times. It'll go to the sun and back 600 times, which is 90 million miles away.
Matt (47:49)
That's ridiculous. So that, that's to your point, like...
Christopher Miser (47:53)
Yeah, it's just it's unfathomable and then and then go ⁓ well It's so close to an ape and you're like now it it really isn't if it's off by point something percent That's probably millions of miles of code. You know what I mean? Right, so it's not it's not similar and and and then I mean you can go down a really dark road with with
Matt (47:55)
It's. ⁓
No.
Yeah, that's like two trips to the sun.
Christopher Miser (48:20)
evolution because Charles Darwin also, he has a hierarchy. I don't know if you've ever heard this. Do you know how he has a hierarchy of people and how close they are to the ape? Have ever heard this? So obviously Nordics are the most pure Aryan. Germanic is predominantly Aryan. And then you have Oriental, has us, which Charles Darwin said Oriental has a slight ape preponderance. Black African, obviously he, he
Matt (48:32)
No.
my gosh.
Christopher Miser (48:49)
likens to an ape and then Jewish ⁓ is close to pure ape. And that is what Charles Darwin believed. That is what we teach. We don't say it because everybody will freak out, but we teach that in school. And here is God's word saying that we're created in his image, all of us, like all of us. Like there is no
Matt (48:54)
Whoa.
Yeah.
That's crazy. I did not know this.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (49:18)
There is no, we're not saying that Asians are less in God's image. No, not even close or that anybody of a different race is like, so evolution is racist to its core and yet we teach it in school and we're okay with it.
Matt (49:25)
Mm-mm. ⁓
Wow.
Yeah, that's insane. I didn't know that at all. And you get the conservative, know, Christian side that's labeled as the racist and stuff. That's crazy.
Christopher Miser (49:39)
Sorry, I'm getting fired up.
Whoa.
We don't even have to stop there. We can go to sexism.
Matt (49:56)
Mmm.
Christopher Miser (49:58)
where
he believes that men are the smartest and that women are also smart, but they're a little bit smarter than dogs. No joke. So yes, he says, ⁓
Matt (50:07)
⁓ What? How? ⁓ my gosh.
Christopher Miser (50:21)
Well, I don't have, ⁓ Darwin believed that women were not as competent as men and less intelligent than men, but they were better than a dog.
Matt (50:29)
That's crazy. That's what we teach and that's what we teach as fact.
Christopher Miser (50:31)
And that's what we teach in school.
And
if you believe it, go research. Go research. And take the adventure that comes with that. Like literally just get out and get beyond what you've been taught and what you've been told. Go to God's word and just start researching. And then you find something that just doesn't make sense. Go find someone to help you with it. And then if you see something in origin of species or something like that,
Matt (50:40)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
That's a great point.
Christopher Miser (51:04)
Start going down the rabbit trail and you'll find out just how crazy flawed it is and how scientifically impossible it is.
Matt (51:11)
Wow, wow, yeah. Super offensive. It's so, man, that's so riddled with like logical flaws, that whole side of culture that believes in evolutionary theory and yet that side makes a big point of racism as well, but.
Christopher Miser (51:14)
And offensive too. Yeah.
Matt (51:38)
their basis for their understanding of the whole world is racist and sexist and my goodness, that stuff is new to me. And we were saying off the air, I'll say it again, I am of the opinion that this theory is so stinking, improbable, impossible, and illogical that we're not dealing with
a well-intentioned, everybody's doing their best trying to figure out where we came from type of battle of the theories. This theory of evolution is an intentional injection by both spiritual and human forces into society. And it was designed to get people to buy into it without thinking about it for themselves. So that
Christopher Miser (52:26)
Yes.
Matt (52:36)
so that there could be a more naturalistic view of the world rather than a supernatural view of the world. And so people are under this illusion that the physical is all there is. And it was done on purpose by demonic spirits, fallen angels. It was also done on purpose by people who are probably in agreement with those demonic fallen angel spirits. Yeah, exactly.
Christopher Miser (52:57)
Yep. It's just one more lie. One more lie to
take us away.
Matt (53:05)
And I remember growing up like, me, I never believed in evolution, but I remember the feeling being created that though the creation believers are the wackos.
real science is over here and I just remember that flavor.
Christopher Miser (53:24)
Well, that's what you were told. Yeah.
Matt (53:29)
That's crazy. It's crazy. So I love that you said take the adventure with that too, because you're right. It is an adventure like we need. I think we need to reexamine so much of what we've been told. ⁓ Now it's going into all kinds of directions, but really like. We need to go on the adventure of being like is what I have been told from from government, from media, from school. All my life.
Christopher Miser (53:59)
and church.
Matt (53:59)
Is it really
true from church? Yeah. yeah. Let's put church up. This is the top of the list.
Christopher Miser (54:02)
Yeah, yeah, because.
You gotta be in you have to be in God's word. Don't just take it. Don't just don't just take it. That's OK. I mean, you can you can you can learn a lot from like your pastor or something to that effect, but double check it. Go go in there and see and then you might find like, man, I really like that guy, but. That is not what God said. And then.
Matt (54:09)
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Right. Right.
Christopher Miser (54:30)
And why that's so important in this whole adventure is ⁓ you want to be on right. You want to be on the side of right. And God is calling us to find that, to search that out. And you're only going to do that by following him and by reading his word. That's the only way you're going to do it. There are people that can help you get there and help you with it.
Matt (54:41)
You do? Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (55:00)
but ultimately it's what God said. That's work. So, yeah.
Matt (55:03)
That's right. And we can't
afford, who is it? I think it's Bill Johnson, one of my favorite pastors ⁓ out in Redding, California from Bethel. says, I cannot afford to have a single thought in my head that God doesn't think. I can't afford it. That's it, yeah.
Christopher Miser (55:24)
Well, it's
going to happen. ⁓ That's why it's an adventure, I guess. But that's why we have to be walking with him and repenting and saying, OK, I need you to keep those thoughts on you. Because we naturally want to go our own way.
Matt (55:43)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, and even if it's well-meaning, even when I think I'm going God's way, like you said, examining what I've been told from church, right? If I've been told, like an example, this is an example that I use sometimes, which is, don't ever give in order to get. And it sounds really good, but when you look at what God and Jesus himself actually say, you see in Malachi where God says, hey, why don't you test me out here?
Christopher Miser (56:07)
Hmm
Matt (56:21)
bring me your tithe and offering and see if I don't pour out an abundant blessing on you in return. Right? Or Jesus says, ⁓ he says, when you give, don't do it in such a way that you're flaunting it for everybody to see, because then that's the extent of your reward. He's like, if you really want a reward, then give in a way that you're not flaunting it. And then you're going to get a huge reward. Like that's just one little example where we have this churchism.
that says, give in order to get, but scripture points in many places besides the two I just said. No, giving in order to get from God is actually something that he's told us to do. You know, so that's just one little thing out of many out there. So we can begin to think these ways that we think we're going God's way. However, when it's falsehoods from church culture,
They may not be pulling us deep down a road of sin, but they might be pulling us down a road of defeat and lack when God means for victory and abundance in certain ways. You know, so anyway, that's just a soapbox of mine. I get all riled up with these things. ⁓ So what about the adventure that's coming? Let's go there.
Christopher Miser (57:35)
Hmm.
Okay, well, no, that's fine. I'm excited about some of the things we've been thinking about, talking about doing, and it's part of an adventure. So as we've talked about before, I went on the Pacific Crest Trail back in 2023, hiked through crazy amounts of snow and hiked to the point where I mentally broke down. Physically I was all right, but...
Matt (57:48)
Unless you have worked before that.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (58:15)
Mentally, just broke down. But I have always, for many, many years, I've had that goal of finishing the trail. I really want to through hike it. I love being out in God's creation. I love adventure, as we've discussed, all those things. So that was a goal of mine. So I'm going to try it again this year. I leave next week. And I'm going to hike, start again, and the border with Mexico. So I'll touch the
Matt (58:24)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (58:44)
touch that wall and then hike north ⁓
to Canada. And hopefully, hopefully I do it this time. This time I'm almost like, just, I'm like, I don't have a choice, I guess. I'm just going to go until, until I can't go anymore. But then I'm going to keep going again. But ⁓ so I think we're going to adopt, we're going to do some, hopefully some live streaming from the trail. And I have a whole list of stuff I want to encourage.
Matt (58:59)
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (59:13)
others with as in their walk with God. I'm going to do that. You remember I said I'm not very excited about the social media aspect of it, but I'm going to be on Instagram and doing
like small videos of not just I mean, it's going to be videos of encouragement, videos of of just help, just encouraging others. And but also I'm just going to share the adventure to and share.
Matt (59:35)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (59:41)
know backpacking tips and stuff that I'm doing and just and share video of mountains and streams and forest and desert and everything and just share the adventure and then you and I can do some live streams and and the purpose would of those would just be to continue sharing that and to encourage those that listen to you and encourage them in their walk with God in their ⁓ and in their walk with their
Matt (59:45)
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:00:10)
family and their leadership in their home and what that looks like and what it means to ⁓ be on that adventure. ⁓ So I'm excited about it. I don't know what else.
Matt (1:00:11)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, no, think that's ⁓ it's good. So we're we're we are going to be live streaming. We don't know the exact schedule yet because, know, it's we there's a lot of factors that come into the picture when you're out there in the wilderness and stuff. But we are going to be live streaming as as we go as you go. We're going to.
be doing who we don't really know the length of each live stream or anything yet either just because again, the factors are there unknown, but they may be as long as a podcast episode at some point or shorter. ⁓ You know, we'll see. But the I want to invite every all the listeners to stay in in tune with us through that. ⁓
Christopher Miser (1:00:55)
No.
Matt (1:01:17)
I'm gonna be sending out emails to my email list about it and I will be live streaming mostly to YouTube. I'll probably put it out on a couple other places as well, but I'm wanting to build up YouTube a bit. So that'll be the location and I'll put links to ⁓ my channel and stuff like that too. do ⁓ you have an Instagram set up yet or no?
Christopher Miser (1:01:22)
whole.
Yeah.
Yeah. So when I start, like, again, I don't do social media very well, so I haven't put anything on there. But let me look at my my I don't even know what my username is.
Matt (1:01:56)
Yeah, because I
could put a link to your Instagram in the show now.
Christopher Miser (1:01:59)
I don't even,
I do not follow these real things or whatever. So the, my Instagram, what is that called? Is that a channel? that a username?
Matt (1:02:05)
Yeah.
Your Instagram,
well, your Instagram, I don't know account, your like your Instagram handle also is the at whatever.
Christopher Miser (1:02:22)
It's asking me what my Monday mood is. Anyways, it's going to be northbound 2650. 2650, that's the number of miles from Mexico to Canada on that trail. And then I'll be heading northbound. And some of the things that I'll be bringing up on Instagram and potentially in our live stream too, I want to talk about faith, DNA of adventure, grace, fear, obedience.
repentance, prayer, listening, experiencing, and breaking. I've been at the point of breaking. And so that's going to be, I'll share what that was like and why it leads to today, really, why it leads to what we're doing, what you and I are doing, Matt, and what we're sharing. I can't encourage people enough to just break out. Be bold for.
Matt (1:02:57)
Hmm.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:03:21)
for what God desires of you. And it's going to be different for all of us because God built us all differently. That's why, and he gave us different coding. And in that coding are the passions and adventure that we want to be on. that's why he gave it to us. So if we embrace that and then walk with him and read his word and then do those things, the passions he's given us, it's unstoppable.
Matt (1:03:24)
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:03:51)
I'm gonna be sharing a lot of that on the videos and we can talk more about that on the live stream.
Matt (1:03:51)
Mmm.
Yeah, that's really good though. That's my hope too that that getting an inside look at your really significant literal adventure will inspire other men to to awaken their adventure drive again doesn't have to look like going hiking anywhere, but
Christopher Miser (1:04:16)
No, yeah. Well, it could be a hike. Maybe it's
three days versus four months. Yeah, you don't have to be insane. You can be a normal person. No, don't do it. Don't even. Yeah.
Matt (1:04:21)
Yeah. But yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓
All right. Don't don't do exactly what Chris is doing.
No, but I do hope for that, that to awaken that adventure because ⁓ we need we need men to come alive and to not be living zombie lives, right? Just trying to make it through till heaven. We need to come alive.
Christopher Miser (1:04:48)
⁓ yes.
Matt (1:04:50)
Romans eight says that all of creation is eagerly waiting. It's, it's bound until the revealing of the glory of the sons of God, not, not Jesus, but us. So this world needs us to come alive. And so that's my hope for, for what you're doing and how we get to connect over the course of that and live stream and stuff is that it just helps bring some people alive. I think it's going to be real powerful. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:05:18)
Man, that's awesome. Yes. Love
it. Yeah. Let's have some fun with it.
Matt (1:05:21)
Yeah.
yeah, it will be fun. ⁓ I'll be nice and comfortable here, so I'll have I'll have fun in my in my nice, cushy, bouncy office chair. No, but ⁓ it's going to be a lot of fun. And I will put a link to your Instagram account when we figure out what that is in the show notes to this. I'll put a link in the emails that I send out as well.
Christopher Miser (1:05:48)
Yeah.
Matt (1:05:50)
⁓ And we'll make sure to get the word out for it.
Christopher Miser (1:05:52)
Yeah, awesome.
Yeah, and it all kind of like, if there's anybody that wants to follow kind of what I'm doing, they could start, they can start with the podcast, Heat and Light, because if they start at the beginning of that, they'll get some of the, they'll get something from that and then go through Heat and Light and then go through what we've done together and then.
follow that Instagram and follow those live streams and and hopefully you're encouraged by all of it cuz that's the whole point to it is that it's encouraging nothing else that encourages you and your walk with god. That's the number one goal of everything that I'm putting out there is just encouraging people.
Matt (1:06:25)
Yeah.
Totally totally. I love it. Yeah, so go make sure you follow Chris and his podcast click the link in the show notes to follow him on Instagram and Stay tuned with me for emails and Announcements about when we go live and stuff like that But it's it's all coming here in the next in the next couple few weeks. He's kicking off ⁓ So it's not it's not far off in the distance. It's gonna be a lot of fun
Christopher Miser (1:06:51)
It's a
Let's go be crazy. Oh man, yeah. Oh no, I'm just, it's, we were talking this Sunday in church, the pastor was talking about having, about fear and joy at the same time. And oh my goodness, that was speaking to me. was like, oh, I have, I'm like, I have so much joy about going out and doing this adventure. And then at the same time, I'm like scared to death. Especially after trying it in 2023, I kind of know.
Matt (1:07:02)
Alright, well... What's that?
haha
Yeah, man.
Christopher Miser (1:07:29)
a little bit more about the hard parts and it's really not so physical. I know that sounds crazy because walking that many miles is very physical, but man, I know the mental and the breaking part of it when you like just the breaking down part of it. I understand. And it's so scary. And so ⁓ I think in a way this time I have a little bit more peace, though, just because
Matt (1:07:31)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Wow. Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:07:59)
⁓ I'm learning how I'm learning more about ⁓ trusting God and in in what he has for us and what he wants for us and just because well, that's another we didn't talk. Did we talk about that lie? Believing in yourself? This is not, know. ⁓ That's a big lie. We got to get away from that. I I believe in what I can do through Christ.
Matt (1:08:10)
Yeah.
Yeah, we did. We did last time. Yeah.
Mmm.
Christopher Miser (1:08:28)
I believe in what I can do through him. So I'm excited about sharing that.
Matt (1:08:28)
Mm-hmm.
Wow.
Yeah, absolutely. Man, so this is, it's interesting that you have an extra level of just awareness of the hard parts that are coming. So it's not just adventure, it's also the DNA of courage right now. Yeah, yeah. ⁓ I've often thought too like,
Christopher Miser (1:08:47)
⁓ yeah.
Sure. Yeah.
Matt (1:09:02)
what it's gonna be like as you retrace those steps where you were having those conversations with God last time. It'd be like right back in the same, that'll be interesting.
Christopher Miser (1:09:11)
Let's live stream from there. Because I can tell you the exact mile. I mean, yeah, when I get there, I'll, well, I know the exact mile because I wrote it in my book when it happened. ⁓ I'll, and it's not a pretty spot.
Matt (1:09:13)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
I'm sure.
Yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:09:37)
It's
like the worst part of the trail.
Matt (1:09:42)
man, wow. Well, ⁓ there's gonna be a lot of good fruit that comes out of it. And probably some that we don't even know yet. join us everybody. Chris, thanks for being on the show again here today. And yeah.
Christopher Miser (1:09:52)
Sweet, love it.
Yeah, this has been awesome, Matt. I'm excited
for more of this.
Matt (1:10:03)
Yeah, yeah, me too, me too. It's gonna be a lot of fun. ⁓ until next time, bless you everybody. Thank you for listening and we'll talk to you soon.