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halen from the queens of

nerdom jen hello welcome next up

I have, I don't know where he's from,

but he's here.

He's our blast from the past.

And he's our blast from the past.

We have Chris.

And last, certainly not least,

he is my brother from another mother.

I love this man with all my

heart and soul.

I present my main man, Black.

My whole room just went green.

I have no idea why.

That better mean we're

coming into some money.

Are we coming into money?

Is that a sign?

Jesus?

Is this a sign?

I hope so.

You and me both.

welcome welcome everyone uh

this is going to be our

last don't cry uh show for

our spooky season um I've

had so much fun uh doing

this with everyone uh it

has been a blast you know

my little dark heart has

been so happy talking about

all these horror movies and

everything and I can't wait

to do it again next year um

that being said hey chris yes

What monster likes to dance at a party?

Which monster likes to dance at a party?

A boogeyman.

As a dad, I'm offended by some of these.

I'm going to be honest.

I got nothing on that.

Hey, Black.

Why do ghosts hate rainy?

Why do ghosts hate rainy Halloween?

Oh, why?

It dampens their spirits.

Oh, my God.

Bro, bro.

All right.

Yeah.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Okay.

Jeff.

Why don't why don't mummies gossip?

Why?

Because they don't want to get a bad rap.

You're fired.

Holy shit.

welcome back we missed you

hope I'm glad nobody left

because of the dad jokes

you literally ran everybody

off I had more but I just

stopped come back okay fine

they'll come back they'll

come back I have one I'll

save it for the end of the

show though okay you sure

Okay.

You're like.

Okay.

All right.

So.

What is the boogeyman?

Well.

Little did you know, I didn't know,

there's actually no clear

and specific description.

Only that it's thought of as

either masculine or an androgynous thing.

But even that,

it varies from different cultures.

It is probably the only

creature of its kind that

spans the entire world.

Now,

usually they fall into three categories.

The first category being it

punishes children who misbehave.

The second category is a

boogeyman that is violent

and malicious against

anyone unfortunate enough

to cross their path.

And the third one is a

boogeyman that protects.

I don't know what that is, but anyways.

But in my mind,

a boogeyman is the

personification of one's fears,

a terror incarnate and the

embodiment of all things evil.

That's scary.

Makes sense.

The Protect is a new one.

I don't think I've ever heard that before.

I don't think I have either.

You know,

there's only one that kind of

comes to mind.

It could be way off what I think.

Anyways,

we can roll into the movies if you

guys want.

The one movie where I think

it might sort of kind of

protect or might actually

just be a projection is,

has anybody seen... Hey, there's Willie.

Um the babadook Yes,

that was actually one of

the ones I wrote down for

famous boogeyman Oh, really?

Yeah Um,

I made a list you made a list I did um,

so it came out in two thousand fourteen,

uh, I believe it is um from um, australia,

um originally um

This movie was kind of weird.

First of all,

I wanted to strangle this

child very lovingly, like with hugs,

of course.

I would never want to

have... With your hands around his throat,

got it.

Yes, very nice big squeeze.

But as you kind of go along

through the movie, I kind of feel like...

This is like the projection

of this woman's grief,

like losing her husband.

And I think one of the lessons,

I think the director,

if I remember correctly,

somebody correct me if I'm wrong,

is that you can't ignore your trauma.

You can't ignore your grief.

You can't ignore those emotions.

You can't ignore them

because they will come back

and punch you in the face.

Even after I feel like she

acknowledged this,

she kept it in the basement,

but she fed it.

She acknowledged it,

and it was still there.

Jeff, Babadook, what do you think?

Great movie.

It really explores the human

emotion side of it because

this was a projection of

her pent-in emotion to me.

Yeah.

I liked it.

I mean,

it was a typical spin on the

boogeyman story,

but it was enjoyable and it

was from Australia.

So I like that kind of stuff.

I like funny accents like mine.

I went full Alabama in there.

I like the way you talk.

You sure do got pretty mild.

It is spooky season, so yeah,

I'm going a little dark, okay?

No, I thought it was good.

It came out at the right time, too.

I think that hit us around

the same time as all of the

quote-unquote folk horror, right?

Midsommar, Hereditary,

a lot of the real kind of artsy films.

That's a good one, though.

Hereditary?

Yeah.

Yeah, great movies.

It was an offshoot, right?

It's like that weird, you know,

like getting in the mouth

of madness in the middle of

a slasher craze.

It's like, you know,

who would have thought that

this would work?

Yeah, I'm with you.

I'm kind of with you, maybe.

I hated The Little Boy.

I think most kids in horror

movies are obnoxious as

hell because if they're teenagers,

they're snarky.

And if they're little,

they're stupid and don't listen.

which is why we end up with

things like vampires and crap.

But no, I think, you know,

talking about it from the

emotional standpoint,

anything that deals with

grief in a way that's

entertaining is probably

far better than most.

I think the only other one

that may even come close to touching it,

and it's not even really a horror movie,

would be Dolores Claiborne.

I loved it.

I thought it was solid.

I actually watched it weeks

ago while I was going

through Shudder because

that's where I spend all of my time now.

We noticed.

Yeah.

It's a problem.

It's a good problem to have, though.

It is.

Fuck.

Thoughts on the Babadook?

The, and I try to keep,

I try to keep my comments

not quite in the same lane, but the,

the depression and the bottling in of,

of being, trying to be perfect,

trying to try to make sure

like everything's well kept

and together and the pressure of that,

just breaking someone is

something like that's very real.

You can feel that on any spectrum.

Right.

And the ability to draw that

emotion and make that tie

in and make it feel as real

as it is because yeah,

the kid's a little shit,

but you know what I mean?

Like the parenting part of it is like,

I want this to be,

I want this to be good.

I want this to be wholesome.

And just wanting that is

pretty much what drove the,

the insanity out.

So very, very solid movie,

very solid movie.

I like what you said.

I don't know her name.

But that woman that played the mom.

You could.

It was palpable.

You could feel it.

You could feel her.

Just grief and everything.

And everything that she was going through.

I'm glad you pointed that out.

It was very dark.

I love that.

That was a female directed film too.

If I remember correctly.

Which is probably why they

were able to touch on that.

as well as they were.

I didn't know that.

Jennifer Kent, writer and director.

That's dope.

I always like to see that.

That's really dope.

Another one,

if you don't agree with me

that it's more like a boogeyman,

we don't have to talk about

it because what I feel like

is a boogeyman might be

different than what other people think.

But that's the great part

about the boogeyman.

There's so many definitions

and so many different

things out there that kind

of fall into this category.

It doesn't like everybody's

boogeyman is different.

Yeah, it's very broad.

I agree.

So the movie It Follows, um, um,

I think her name is, uh, Maika Monroe.

I adore this girl.

Like she's just her young lady.

She's just amazing.

Um,

I guess that would be more

like a sexual boogeyman,

I guess you could say.

The creepy thing is,

and I've watched this movie

several times.

There's a lot of people that are like,

this movie sucks.

And I was like, really?

I really liked it.

Just the fact that you

bumped uglies with somebody

and now there's this

supernatural creature

coming for you and you're

the only one that can see it.

And then it will actually look like...

people you know and you care

about and you love and it's

coming for you and That's

literally that one of the

definitions of a boogeyman

is that it punishes you

Based on different things

right like naughty children

This one just so happens to

be a sex demon, I guess Yeah, and

And you know,

one of the reasons why I do

like this movie is that you

actually get to see what

happens when it catches someone.

Because I think her

character in Bumpin' Ugly

is with one of the neighbors, friends,

whatever.

Yeah.

Poor guy didn't take her seriously,

and he got caught.

And that was gross.

I was like, ew.

But anyhow, before I say too much, Black,

you want to go first this time?

What do you think about it?

I've never seen this movie,

but this sounds like

something I need to watch.

Especially if somebody's

bumping uglies and terrible

shit happens as a result.

Maybe you'll think about this next time.

Chris, did you watch it?

I did.

I like this.

Yeah,

because this is one of those that

hits everybody a little different, right?

You got some folks that say

that it's an allegory for STDs.

You got other folks talking

about the fact that it could be, you know,

just sexual trauma.

Right.

And then you've got, I mean,

you could go down the pro-life,

pro-choice rabbit hole with

this one as well,

which has been done numerous times.

Right.

But I don't, I don't.

Not a big fan of sticking on

that one for too long.

But overall, smart horror film.

It's got one of the best openings, I think,

that I've seen to a horror

film in probably the last decade,

maybe longer.

Because you don't know what

the hell's going on.

A girl runs out of the house.

Yeah.

That's it.

Stands in the street, looks crazy,

and then it kicks off from there.

So it catches your interest

right off the bat and holds

it the entire time.

It's good.

It's definitely in...

Definitely and probably my top.

Twenty of the last.

Decade to two.

Agreed.

Yeah.

Under Wolf Cop.

Jeff.

What do you think?

I haven't seen this movie in so long.

So it's vaguely in my skull.

But.

Yeah, I'm agreeing with Chris on this one.

It that opening sequence

with her just running out

the house like a crazed woman is.

That was like, all right,

we're on to something here.

Let's see what it is.

And it was a good movie.

I do remember I enjoyed it.

Recommend it.

But as far as like,

can I remember like the basics?

I wish I watch a lot of movies.

same I think it never shows

you what it looks like

either it it just appeared

as like yeah as someone it

appears that one of your

own memories which was yes

no other movie had done

that I don't think well it

but he appears as something

that scares the shit out of

you yeah yeah which is also

on unfortunately we get to

see what he actually looks

like though oh god yeah

yeah it didn't work out

well for either version of

that movie but yeah

Well, speaking of it... He's on the list.

Let's talk about it.

He's on the list.

Pennywise the Dancing Clown.

So, I remember watching the original one,

and I...

I really enjoyed that first one.

The remake, however,

that was nightmare fuel.

With the updated effects and everything,

I was just like... Bill

Skarsgård did a lot of

Pennywise's facials himself.

Like,

the way he manipulates his eyes and

mouth and stuff.

That's all Bill Skarsgård.

And it is scary as shit.

Yeah.

Like, he's so animated.

And I remember...

uh watching other shows with

him where you know he um he

can kind of like like

unconsciously like let one

of his eyes drift which um

added that that suspense

whereas I think when tim

curry played um pennywise I

think they had to like cg

it but yeah they did

contacts it was yeah the

original it was before we

had cgi so everything in it

was a practical effects in

the original I believe

And it was like, man,

like the newer effects,

I feel like were just

absolutely terrifying.

I mean, I think the one that really,

really terrified me or one

of the two was with the

little girl under the bleachers.

Yes.

Like right before.

Yeah, that was terrifying.

And then Willie McCoy says

that scene when he's doing

that dance in the sewer.

Yeah.

Nightmare fuel.

I was just like, dude.

Without a doubt.

Yeah.

And when they're grown and

they're fighting him.

And like the part two.

Yeah.

Here's one, though.

By default,

does this now essentially make

Mary Poppins a boogeyman as well?

Because they're from the same universe.

That's the protector.

There you go.

Why would you do this to me?

She could be scary, though, too.

She could be.

She pulled a lot of shit out of that bag.

Like, that would terrify me.

It's a well-known fact that

they are from the same

universe and of the same species.

Yeah,

there was like a theory going around.

I remember reading that.

I don't think he ever refuted it either.

He didn't.

Exactly.

He was just like, hmm, that's good.

He's like, Mary Poppins?

Shit, I'll roll with that.

I don't like this.

Mary Poppins is now part of

the Dark Tower.

Yeah.

They missed out with that movie.

That's a hell of a rabbit hole.

Yeah, yeah.

The Black.

What are your thoughts on It?

Back to it.

Old or new?

Which one?

Or both?

You know what?

I was going to say the first

It was probably one of the

scariest movies I'd ever seen.

Just because as a kid,

going back to the eighties

and looking at it in real

time in the eighties,

that shit was scary.

Super scary.

Until you get to the new one.

The new one makes the old one.

I went back and watched the

old one after watching the new one.

I was like, this is dumb.

Whoa,

that's Tim Curry you're talking about,

buddy.

I know, but.

You put some respect on that.

The new one was done so well

with the effects.

It was.

Even the drainage scene is just like,

dude.

That four K changes the game.

Yeah, it changes everything, bro.

Like.

It changed.

Yeah, that.

I stopped looking for Ninja Turtles.

Exactly.

We used to do that.

We used to build the little

boats and stuff and try to race them.

Not anymore.

Like, hell no.

But I absolutely agree.

Pennywise is one of the most

scary characters.

Not just a boogeyman, but as a character.

He's one of the most

terrifying things ever created.

Ever.

I agree.

Without a doubt.

Yep.

And he was a background figure.

That's the crazy thing.

Yes.

Right.

People want to look at

Pennywise like he's the

main star of that show and he's not.

The kids are.

Yeah.

He just happens to be there

causing trouble.

But I mean, for me,

like I remember my brother,

my older brother, Scott,

made me sit down and watch it.

The original one in nineteen

ninety when it was on the first time.

And I had nightmares about

clowns for the next year.

Probably three weeks.

Oh, no.

Every time I would walk by him,

all I'd hear is, kiss me, fat boy.

I'm like, come on, man.

Don't do that.

Just leave me alone.

It really did.

It did bring the fear to

clowns to the main stage.

But great movie.

I like both of them.

I think It Chapter One,

the Andy Muschietti version,

is far better than the

kids' portions of the old, the old,

the old, the old, the old, the old,

the old,

But on the adult side of it,

between chapter two and the original,

I think I prefer the original.

Like it's just the tail end

of this new one with a

little puddle of goo that

they're not scared of anymore.

It's just a little, a little too much.

I will say with,

with us now talking about it,

it's a good time to mention that.

Welcome to dairy.

is coming to Max.

Which is going to be kind of

like an origin-ish story of

how Pennywise became Pennywise.

I don't think I want to know.

I'm interested to see how

they play that out.

I do too.

Because King spells it out pretty well.

He does.

They're taking that and

they're going to put it into...

a TV series,

and Bill Skarsgård's returning

to do Pennywise.

Oh, good.

I'm glad they took ownership

of that character, you know?

Yeah.

I'd say Tim Curry could do it,

but I don't think he has

the stroke anymore.

No.

Let's let Skarsgård have it.

Yeah, we got it.

That's fucked up, dude.

Come on, man.

Tim Curry's an icon, man.

Let's not do it that way.

I love that dude.

And his role in The Devil?

Come on, bro.

Oh, in Legend?

Darkness.

So I was talking to Chris

today via Messenger and I

was telling him about

actual movies called

Boogeyman and I found that there was like

Four or something different

boogeyman and the one I was

um Trying to say there's

like maybe eight of them now.

Yeah The the one I I wanted

to kind of focus on if you

will was the one that came out in uh,

It had our very own vivian

lyra blair who played uh

leia Our our little little leia

Um, so this one, um, Oh, and the other, uh,

Chris Messina,

if you ever watched the

devil where they're all

like jam packed in an

elevator and they keep getting attacked,

he's like one of the detectives on there.

I love that movie.

Um, and then Sophie Thatcher,

I think she was on yellow

jackets or something.

I haven't watched it.

Really is better than it should have been.

Yeah.

I haven't watched that.

I need to watch that.

So this came out in.

This movie was.

Like it.

Gave me a lot of jump scares.

I thought it was great.

I really like the relationship.

Between the sisters.

Really sad.

Mom passing away.

But the older sister.

Really seemed to.

Kind of have this like.

Wise beyond her years.

Yeah.

kind of thing going on.

And, you know,

after she starts experiencing things,

she stops dismissing her sister and she,

you know, gets it.

And I mean, to the little girl's credit,

I mean, she's smart.

You know, she's Princess Leia.

Absolutely.

Again,

don't want to ruin too much in the movie.

So Jeff, the boogeyman, twenty,

twenty three,

Princess Leia for the

nineteen eighty version.

Or the two thousand five

version I thought was OK.

I haven't seen the twenty

twenty three version, to be fair,

but the nineteen eighty not the spinoff,

not the part two in the

part three of that.

No, let's not go there.

Just the original nineteen

eighty version was fantastic.

I shouldn't have never

watched that one as a child either,

but I did.

And I didn't get a lot of

sleep as a child because I

watched a lot of horror

movies that I shouldn't have watched.

That's why we're here.

This is true.

But I'm more than made up for my sleep.

But yeah, I need to watch it.

That's on me.

I need to watch that one.

But I do really like the old eighties one.

Those monsters, Chris, those monsters.

Another Stephen King adaptation.

Yeah, I know, right?

It's a short story from Stephen King.

It's not an actual book.

It's a short story.

He's amazing.

I want to say it was in

Nightmares and Dreamscapes.

It was.

Solid book.

The movie falls into the same trap.

Well,

all Stephen King adaptations kind of

fall into the same trap, right?

It's either an amazing movie

and a horrible adaptation.

where it's a great

adaptation and a horrible movie, right?

The Shining is the perfect

example of that.

Kubrick Shining, amazing movie.

Beautiful movie.

Horrible adaptation.

Stephen King's Wings version

of it from the late nineties,

early two thousands.

Great adaptation, horrible movie.

Storm of the Century.

Great book.

Terrible show.

this one I think falls into

the former camp I thought

it was a great movie I

thought it was a horrible

adaptation the short story

is very much a focus on how

someone's mind adjusts

following extreme trauma

and I don't think the movie

touched on that quite as

much as it could have that

being said as a creature

feature as a monster movie

I had a blast with it.

Like you can separate those two things,

separate the boogeyman from

Stephen King and the short

story and everything solid

hour and a half experience.

Um, I thought the acting was good.

Um, the direction was on, on point.

I mean,

the lighting in that movie is

outstanding.

The little girls roll in the moon,

the plastic down the hallway.

So the light travels with it

until you finally see what it's into.

Like great shots, great ideas.

Yeah.

So yeah, I enjoyed it.

I actually watched it again today.

Did you?

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

So do you think that... So I

think they touched on it in

the movie that part of the

reason why it attaches from

family to family is because

of the trauma and the grief

and everything.

Do you think it didn't touch

on that enough?

I think it touched on it

in a way that was less

impactful than the short story.

And the reason I say that,

I'm trying to think of a

way to do it without spoiling it too much,

right?

So the grief is personified

in a much more visceral way

in the short story as

opposed to the movie.

In the movie, it's external, right?

It's still impactful,

but the grief is external.

In the short story,

it is very apparent that the grief is

theirs as opposed to you

know david delmachian who

is amazing and everything

I've ever seen him in you

know he's the guy that that

introduces it to uh to the

family in this one okay the

book is not not like that

at all okay highly

recommend the short story

yes um black the whole book

is really good though yeah I agree

Black, what do you think about,

Chris kind of talked about

some visceral things.

What do you think about how

you started seeing like this black fungus,

this veiny fungus start

growing like all over the house?

Do you think that was kind

of like a good depiction of

like their infection kind of?

I don't want to say it wasn't.

But it could have been more effective.

It definitely could have

been more effective.

And to go back to what Chris said,

there was a trade-off for me.

because I don't know how to say his name.

I just call him the creepy

guy from Batman.

That's how I was introduced.

But he's the therapist in this movie.

But I was like, when I saw him,

but I saw his role and I knew the book,

I was like,

I don't know how this is going to work.

But it was a trade-off for

me because the fact that he

was dealing with his own drama

and not knowing how to

manage it I thought was a

very good way to inject

their grief and how they're

not able to handle their

grief in this movie right

um so I that was a

trade-off I knew it wasn't

it wasn't supposed to

happen that way but the

fact that he added on to it

and he's supposed to be

like the person helping

them through it right I was

able to I took from that was like okay

That's interesting.

I'll deal with it and how it

manifested itself.

I dealt with it.

You may have just made me

like that movie more.

Yeah.

Because I didn't look at it

from that perspective, right?

I thought the dad being a

therapist was just another

cliched way to make him more tormented.

I didn't think about the

impact on the family and

the fact that explains the whole, well,

when are you going to come

in and talk to us?

When are you going to join

the session with the kids?

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like that.

Yeah.

Alright.

The next one,

hopefully it's on Jeff's list.

Nightmare on Elm Street.

That one will never leave my list.

Never.

Freddy lives.

And Freddy is actually on the list.

That's in every genre, by the way,

as well.

It's a romantic comedy.

He's Nancy's boyfriend.

They make out over the phone.

You remember that scene.

I'm your boyfriend now, Nancy.

Yeah, I do.

That's one way to look at it.

I call it like I see it.

All right.

Nightmare on Elm Street.

Wes Craven.

Nineteen eighty four.

So you have Heather Lane can't play Nancy.

Our very own Johnny Depp

playing Glenn and Robert

England playing Freddy Krueger.

So this is the first time we

ever get to see Johnny Depp.

Yeah.

Poor guy died in such terrible way.

My gosh.

He just.

basically got liquefied.

Is that the movie where

somebody shit on his pillow?

Or was that a different one?

That was more recent.

I think that was Two Nights in Paris.

Was it that one?

I get my Johnny Depp movies confused.

I'm sorry.

I apologize.

It's called Run Jack.

Did he cut a spanker on that one?

Like a vodka bottle?

I'm sorry.

Go ahead.

I'm done.

So, yeah, like Eric Johnson said,

Freddy is the most twisted of boogeyman.

I mean,

I can't imagine not being able to

sleep because that is when

the boogeyman is going to get you.

And he knows your worst

nightmares and your worst fears.

I don't think he quite

touches on that as much as the first one.

But as I feel like as movies go on,

they touch on that more.

Like you start seeing that,

I think in the third one is

the Dream Warriors.

Yeah,

he starts kind of manifesting their

nightmares before.

But I like the dark tone of the first one.

He gets a little comical.

He was always intended to be that way,

though.

Not according to Wes Craven.

Not slapstick.

Not slapstick, no,

but he was meant to have a

not-so-serious attitude when he, you know,

murdered them.

Right.

Um...

But jumping around a little bit,

I did like the Dream Warriors one.

I thought that was the one

where she turns into a cockroach.

We're not going to talk about that one.

Oh, dude, that scene is devastating.

That scene alone was nightmares.

Fucking horrifying.

You guys don't know how much

I hate cockroaches.

I mean, she turns to... I need a minute.

They're only scary to me when they fly.

When they fly.

We live in the south, dude.

We live in the south.

Don't let the fuckers fly down here.

We don't even call those cockroaches.

Those are palmetto bugs.

And you don't mess with those.

Let's get fancy with the terms there,

Chris.

A fucking roach is a roach.

So I wanted to kind of

expand on Wes Craven's new nightmare.

But before I get to that,

I kind of want to get

y'all's thoughts about the

nightmare in Elm Street.

If there's anyone leading up

to Wes Craven's new

nightmare that you guys

wanted to talk about.

Jeff, do you want to go first?

I have news on Freddy Krueger.

He is getting a prequel

starring... You want?

Kevin Spacey, by chance?

No.

It's going to be... God damn,

what's that kid's name?

I don't know what you did there.

Shut up.

I can't stand you.

Sorry, go ahead, Jeff.

That got me.

That skinny kid's name

from... What was it?

The new kid or whatever?

He goes to...

Like the prison to visit,

and then they make him a new person.

Oh,

and they dress him up like Hannibal and

Wheelie in high school?

Yes, that kid.

Damn, he's all supernatural.

Yes, he had a few episodes.

You know what?

I got to Google,

because this is going to

drive me batshit if I don't do this.

I do apologize.

Skinny kid.

Who?

I don't know what y'all are talking about.

Me neither.

Skinny Kid,

you guys gotta give me more info.

It'll make sense.

The Skinny Kid,

are you talking about their brother?

No.

You're talking about Skinny

Kid on Supernatural.

That's not a lot to go on.

Yeah, I agree.

It's kind of a... It's not

the Skinny Kid on Supernatural.

It's broad.

Oh,

and there's no pictures when you look

at the entire cast.

That's not helpful.

Yeah.

Hold on, you keep going, Jeff.

I'll look it up for you.

But, uh, basically...

They're going to do the

events leading up to how

Freddy Krueger becomes Freddy Krueger,

if that makes sense.

Is his name Alexander Calvert?

No.

Okay.

DJ Qualls.

DJ Qualls, thank you.

The little, really skinny kid.

He also had the scene with

the lady on the bus.

Oh, that one.

Yeah.

With the big old leopard skin panties.

I can't remember the name of

that movie either.

But anyways,

he's going to become the new

Freddy Krueger.

He's going to be the one going forward,

I think.

I know Robert Englund wanted

Kevin Bacon to pick up the

mantle of Freddy Krueger.

It looks like it's going to be, huh?

That would have been perfect.

Dude,

Kevin Bacon would have been fucking

amazing.

That's why Robert Englund

asked him personally to

pick up the mantle of Freddy Krueger.

Hmm.

He wouldn't be able to make that many,

though.

He's getting up there.

No offense, Kevin.

I think you're amazing.

I love you,

but... Robert Englund's almost eighty,

if not eighty.

He was in the mid-fifties

when they started, I think.

Yeah.

No, the eighties were farther back.

I'm going to stop.

You go ahead.

That makes me feel old.

But basically,

it's going to be the events

that led up to him being

burned by the parents of

Elm Street or whatever.

Okay.

Where they chased him into

and then burned him alive

and him cursing him.

It's going to be everything

that happened before that.

I hope they take it from the

stance of the original

series and not the remake.

They're doing it from the

original is my understanding.

The remake was good.

We don't talk about that.

I think DJ Qualls could be a

good fit for this because

he's going to fit that age

of when Freddy Krueger was

doing his thing before he became burned.

I think it could work.

DJ Qualls is that size, too,

of where you would think

Freddy Krueger would be.

Kind of a smaller... Yeah.

It could work.

Chris,

you got anything else on Freddy

Krueger movies?

I love them, pretty much all of them.

That's my guilty pleasure.

Freddy versus Jason, you love that.

I did.

I like that one.

Actually, I do too.

I like that one.

I'm a big fan.

The way Kelly Rowland got

murked in that movie.

Anything that has Jason

swinging teenagers.

No Kelly Rowland slander.

No slander.

I just appreciate the way she dies.

She went out like a boss lady, okay?

Yeah, I like all of them.

I think...

The third one is by far my favorite.

Dream Warriors, by far my favorite.

Yeah, same.

But I'm also kind of torn on

it because I think that's

where... That's kind of

where Slapstick Freddy started.

Yeah.

I mean, Welcome to Primetime, bitch,

kind of kicked off a

generation of... Yeah, that, yeah.

That scene alone was... Yeah,

it was great.

You want to get high with

the needle fingers.

Like, it did...

you know, it led to, it led to poor things,

but I think as a movie itself,

it was pretty entertaining.

And if I have,

if I go back to nightmare on

Elm street at all, I tend to watch one,

three and new nightmare.

I think those are,

those are the top three of that series.

I went, I went with like every other two.

Yeah.

I agree.

Even if you count new nightmare as a,

what it actually is,

which it's not a Freddy Krueger movie,

but we'll talk about that

in a little bit.

I think, um,

But yeah, I mean, Freddy's iconic.

There has never been a slasher, I think,

to rival him from a

full-rounded character standpoint,

with the exception of maybe Chucky.

Just because Chucky has that

kind of humor as well.

Jason's not funny.

I mean, he don't know.

Art the Clown's funny,

but there's recency bias there,

so he's not in the conversation yet,

I don't think.

Art the Clown?

He's on the list.

I love the Nightmare on Elm Street movies.

If they had let Wes Craven

take control of that entire franchise,

nothing would be able to touch it.

Eric Johnson says, two is horrible.

I agree.

I wasn't a fan of two.

I don't think anybody liked two.

I'm your god now.

No, you're not.

No.

A weirdo with knives on his hand.

Blackwood was your take.

It did.

Because if you'd have played

this in a different way to where, okay,

he moves into the house.

I forget the guy's name.

He moves into the house.

He starts having the nightmares.

It's just the execution was terrible.

It was terrible execution.

The plot was okay.

The execution was horrible.

That's fair.

I just hate the main

character in that movie.

Yeah, you're right.

He drives me nuts, man.

Awful.

There was structure.

There was structure there.

They didn't follow it.

I felt like if they would

have followed the game plan,

it felt like this was a

sequel that they wanted to

Get all of their ideas out on.

And none of them work.

None.

I think for these movies though.

Once a. A plot point.

Or like.

What's the word I'm looking for here.

Like a standard.

Is set for a movie.

When it comes to slasher films.

Like you don't just.

Start changing that characters.

Like.

modus operandi or whatever it's called.

You just don't start fucking

with that shit.

They got their thing that works,

but when you start branching out of that,

stop it.

That's fair.

Going back to Freddy Krueger

as a boogeyman, I mean,

there's really none more famous.

I don't think there's none more popular.

Right?

There is no single horror movie character,

with the exception of maybe two others.

Name them.

Jason and Michael Myers.

Okay, yeah.

You can go anywhere in the world,

and they know exactly who it is,

exactly what his weapon is,

and exactly how he killed people.

Well, Michael Myers is on the list, too.

So, I mean, Michael Myers.

And I think in the first

Michael Myers film,

in the first Halloween...

He wasn't listed as Michael Myers.

He was just listed as the shape.

Yeah.

Um,

so talking about Wes Craven's new

nightmare.

So, um, I really, I'm watching.

Touche friend.

Um, um,

So Wes Craven's New

Nightmare came out in

nineteen ninety four.

I absolutely love this movie.

So Wes Craven actually said

that this kind of goes back

to where Freddie is much

more menacing and much more dark,

which is what what I had

read is what he had originally intended.

So this is the favorite of

mine of the franchise,

just because you have the actual actors.

playing themselves um and

this is the one where the

dog pisses and opens up the

uh the ground right no okay

no she said this was a good

movie well that was a

freddy krueger movie that

was in a freddy krueger

movie it was that was in uh

part six okay I thought

that was the funniest thing

in the world freddy's dead

The one after.

Because that's when they

kill him in the junkyard

and the dog pisses on an old car tire,

I think it is,

and opens a portal in the

junkyard and Freddy comes back.

I know too much about this shit.

Keep going, Jen.

My bad.

Sorry,

it was just that one scene I could

remember.

It's the best scene in the movie.

So, um,

so this is where Wes Craven actually, um,

tells, um, well, we know where is Nancy,

but it's actually Heather, um,

tells her that he actually

has precog dreams.

And part of the reason why

he made these movies was to keep an, um,

ancient supernatural entity, um,

contained.

So when the movies ended, um,

It was able to be released.

So in the movie.

The entity.

Focused on Heather.

Believing that if he killed her.

Or it killed her.

Then he can actually gain access.

To the real world.

Um.

I don't remember a movie

actually doing this.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I couldn't really think of

any off the top of my head

when I was reading this that did this.

And it was crazy.

It brought a new level of

realism to me that you're actually seeing

heather there and supposedly

like her real son and her

real husband and this this

shit's happening and it's

real stuff and it's like

holy crap that's crazy and

the the freddy or the uh

evil supernatural entity

that actually comes around

um is dark it's very evil I

don't even think he looks

the same it's a very uh

I think the actual tone of

the and actually the look

of the movie is even darker

than like the other ones

there's no more slapstick

there's no more funny shit

like you know this is like

to me I feel like you know

if you took like an extract

of Freddie and like dropped

it that would be this movie

for me anyway like I loved

it black Freddie's new

nightmare what do you think

You know what?

In the line of them,

I think the original is my favorite,

but this one's a really close second.

It's a really close second.

For me, nothing will beat the original,

though.

Nothing.

I agree.

Chris?

Yeah, I'm in a similar boat.

This is bounces back and

forth on two and three for

me in the franchise.

yeah,

I think this was Wes Craven's testing

ground for Scream.

Oh, yeah.

I can see that.

This was his chance to build

a movie not that included

standard slasher tropes,

but that was built around them.

Right.

And it's stuck to that

narrative pretty close.

Right.

If you go back and watch it,

it's a it's a traditional

slasher movie just with a

different coat of paint on it.

And then he moves on to

scream and does a complete

body restoration.

Right.

Put it in really ridiculous,

vague car terms.

So I think this was I think

this led to far greater

things than what it was on its own.

Right.

That being said,

I think this is probably

the scariest Freddy Krueger

has ever been to include the first film.

I agree.

And keep in mind,

I was only two when

Nightmare on Elm Street first came out.

So it's not like I saw it in theaters.

Right.

No.

But by the time I got around to it,

there were things that

stuck out to me that just

didn't look right.

Right.

The long arms.

Right.

You could tell that.

Oh, that was horrible.

Yeah.

So when New Nightmare came around,

I think I got to see what,

for my generation,

was the purest form of

Freddy that we had ever seen.

Right?

No burn scars, just demon deformity.

Mm-hmm.

No glove, just really long nails.

Mm-hmm.

Like, that was Freddy Krueger.

Right.

The way Wes Craven pictured

him originally.

And then New Line did what

New Line does with all of

their horror franchises.

Mm-hmm.

And did what they did, right?

They ran it into the ground,

made as much money as they

could off of it.

Yeah.

Until they could do a versus movie.

Dude, we're on Scream seven.

The last two Scream movies,

that's a whole different episode.

But the last two Scream

movies were outstanding.

I got to agree with you there.

I'm not complaining, dude.

And more nerd news coming in.

Scream seven.

They're bringing back a

bunch of the original OG

cast that aren't dead in the movie-verse.

They should have killed her

ass off in five.

That would have given Dewey

a reason to be pissed off in six.

Neither here nor there.

I agree.

I am excited to get another three.

But we can't hope for the best in seven.

I am excited for another three.

I think the only movie to

try to do something similar

but to do it in a twisted

way was Seed of Chucky.

That was the first meta film

where you actually had

Jennifer Tilly playing

herself but they buried it

in the narrative so deep

that you might not pick up on it.

So you had Tiffany following

down this rabbit hole.

You had Tiffany, the wife,

played by Jennifer Tilly.

attracted to the actress

that plays tiffany in the

movie which is jennifer

tilly wanting to possess

jennifer tilly's body to

get out of the doll which

is named tiffany that's

played by you following yep

I do following it's too

much yeah it's too much but

I think that's as far as

movies go I think that's

the closest one to kind of

start to get into new nightmare territory

But New Nightmare took it serious.

I mean,

Chuck has never taken anything serious.

No.

Thank God for it.

Jeff,

you got anything else on Wes Craven's

New Nightmare?

No.

I really enjoyed this one tremendously.

From the original glove

being on the set to all

those little small details

like that that went into that.

That shit was amazing.

I agree.

All right.

Next on my list,

I'm pretty sure it's on Jeff's Halloween.

Got to talk about Michael Myers.

Wait for it.

It's on the list.

That's the point.

Thank you.

Chris, thank you.

So you got Halloween,

starring Jamie Lee Curtis.

You also have Tony Moran playing The Shape,

as you guys mentioned earlier.

So here's my thing about Halloween.

you don't catch it the first time.

You don't always catch it the second time.

Sometimes you have to watch

it three or four times to

catch all the scenes that

Michael is hiding in.

You don't always see him.

Some are more obvious than others.

And then there's some where it's like,

you read it and somebody's like, hey,

that's, you know, Michael's in that.

No, he's not.

And then you go back, oh, fuck he is.

He's right there.

Damn.

yeah like flanagan movie

yeah um and I feel like it

brings like this eerie kind

of feel to the movie and

the character um for me uh

the other thing I find that

was really eerie about

michael is that when he

would kill somebody

sometimes he would kind of

tilt his head and kind of

look at them as they died that gave

me fucking chills.

I'm just like, why is he doing that?

And the fact that it's just

a man at the time under the mask,

or a man-child, I should say.

Because in his head,

he's still that little boy.

So, that makes it even scarier.

Right.

And before I kind of talk

about some of the theories

that kind of go on,

and they call it the Thorn Trilogy.

I know.

I'm going to touch on it.

I'm not going to spend forever on it.

I see that you're familiar with it, Chris.

It's all right.

We can talk about it.

I ain't going to be happy about it,

but we can talk about it.

Yeah, I'll touch on it a little bit.

Jeff, what's your take on Michael Myers?

I'm a huge,

huge fan of this entire franchise.

I know a lot of people are

going to hate that I'm about to say this.

I really enjoyed the Rob Zombie prequel

Like I loved it.

Like we needed that.

Like I needed that to

understand really what

Michael Myers really was.

And I know a lot of people

absolutely hate this

fucking franchise that Rob Zombie did.

But to me, he added it,

added something to it

versus like Muddy in the Waters.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

I mean,

we're not talking Season of the

Witch here, which has its place.

Whoa, whoa.

I said it has its place.

Listen, calm down.

I don't know why you're

getting all defensive.

I'm not getting defensive.

I'm just saying it's not the

fucking best movie out

there in the franchise.

Like it barely fit.

I'm hurt.

It barely fit.

So since you jumped to Rob Zombie,

I feel like I need to address this.

Go right.

I literally named this this

thing after Rob Zombies.

I'm your boogeyman.

So here's what I think about

the Rob Zombie.

Thank you, Willie, for picking up on that.

So here's my take on Rob Zombies.

I didn't hate it.

Okay.

My thing is, is that...

You see Rob Zombie's movies

and you see Michael's progression.

You see him as a little kid,

why he became like that.

And then you see him

becoming mute and the

psychiatric ward and kind

of his descent into being a

serial killer.

For me...

It took away from Michael

Myers because you just made

him a serial killer at this point.

You took away the boogeyman aspect.

To me, he's not a boogeyman anymore.

To me, he's not as scary.

He's just a dude walking

around with a knife.

I'm not knocking you guys.

I'm just giving my perspective.

Like I said, I didn't hate it.

I'm just saying...

He did a good job,

but you kind of took away

the boogeyman aspect, in my opinion.

I feel like you should have

kept that supernatural part

of it because all

throughout the movie... I

think that added to the

supernatural part that we got later.

That's just me.

I disagree there.

We can all disagree to agree.

Or agree to disagree is what I mean.

I said that backwards.

My bad.

The less you know about your bad guy,

your boogeyman, the less you know, to me,

the more scary they are.

You don't always know their origins.

The less you know,

the more scary they are.

Where do they come from?

I don't know.

Why are they doing this?

I don't know.

Maybe because I'm a Rob

Zombie fanboy when it comes

to his movies.

I'm not...

Except for his monsters.

He should have never done the monsters.

I have zero problems with Rob Zombie.

His take on Halloween, I didn't hate it,

but to me, it's not... To me,

he made him a serial killer.

Here would be my counterpoint.

I don't disagree with you.

I completely agree that Rob

Zombie took away the force

of nature feeling that you

get from Michael Myers in the first film.

You don't know why he's there.

You don't know why he's

killing the people he's killing.

There's no explanation in

the first film whatsoever.

You don't get that until the second film,

right?

I would say that Rob Zombie

did in two hours what the

original franchise took.

Three movies?

Six movies to explain.

Because it's not until

Halloween H-T-O that you

find out all the same information.

There it is.

I love Halloween H-T-O.

I think it's a great movie.

Agreed.

The problem that you have is

that Halloween became a franchise at all.

Yes.

That is a big fact.

This is where me and Jeff

are going to butt heads.

In that, Halloween II, IV,

and on were all Michael Myers movies.

When Halloween was first constructed,

when they first designed this franchise,

when they came back, they said, hey,

we want you to do a different movie.

He didn't want to go back to

Michael Myers.

He wanted to tell an

anthology series wrapped

around the holiday.

So if we take the director's

original vision of what

Halloween should be, right now,

there would be two movies.

There would be Halloween I,

and there would be Halloween III,

Season of the Witch.

which by itself,

if you remove the Halloween title,

is an amazing film.

I will not argue that.

But it's the fact they put

that Halloween in front of

it that kills it.

All Rob Zombie did was

compress that down to a single movie.

I'm going to agree with Chris on this one.

Because for me,

this franchise goes in a

lot of different directions.

And for me, personally,

I took my time with this

whole series to the point where, like,

by the time I got to H.U.O., it was like,

what the... What's going on?

Like, who is... Like,

I know he's a serial killer now,

but I thought he was...

on the realm of Jason.

You know what I mean?

Like, he's unstoppable.

He's only going to come back.

He's supernatural.

You're telling me he's human

with the problem.

Like, it kind of took it away from me.

You know what I mean?

Right.

There's a really cool

diagram out there floating

around that shows you the

different breakdown in the

storylines and how to actually watch it.

Yeah, by different timelines, yeah.

So, Black, did you have

Anything else?

I want to bring up the... So

there's the three

installments called the

Thorn Trilogy and then the

Michael Myers movies.

So it's Halloween four, five, and six,

where it kind of describes

how Michael is actually the...

suffering from a curse.

So I guess there is a cult

called the thorn cult,

I think that is in Haddonfield.

And, um, they select a child, um,

that will be, uh,

basically possessed by this

demon or dark entity named thorn.

And in order to, uh,

make sure they have like less sickness,

like more crops,

like everything be fertile.

Um,

I believe a child will be

possessed and basically I

think their job is to kind

of kill off their whole family line.

Michael did not achieve this

because Lori lived.

And I guess it takes about

three movies to kind of

like talk about that.

And he actually has like,

I can't remember which movie it was,

but you actually see like

runes that are on his arms and hands.

They look like Nordic runes.

Yeah.

I actually didn't know about this.

I was like, oh, really?

I didn't even know about that.

I didn't either.

This is the first I'm hearing of it.

Yeah,

but if you look up Halloween Thorn

Trilogy,

it kind of talks about it a little bit.

I can get behind that a little bit more.

I never watched those movies,

but I think it kind of comes... Oh,

Eric just said it.

It kind of comes back to,

here's the embodiment of evil.

and that's what that that

thorn entity is like a a

demonic sort of god if you

will demonic entity and

you're kind of paying

homage to it but with these

sacrifices and everything

um again I'm a little

biased because I like more

like supernatural aspects

of horror movies so if

anybody watched that what's

your what's your thoughts

on that I want to check it

out now I got to yeah yeah

yeah what about that

I thought it was a neat concept.

I thought it was a way for

them to try to get back to

that original... How in the

hell did he get back up at

the end of that movie?

He can't die.

And that's the trick.

So we've had one, two,

three... I want to say four timelines,

not counting Rob Zombie,

that have split off

following the first Halloween film,

right?

And all of them have

essentially tried to fix

what they had screwed up in

their first two films.

Right.

To try to turn him back into

that force of nature.

Which is really what he is, right?

He's just a force of nature.

That's what I feel like he is, yeah.

For sure.

And I think the Curse of Thorn,

as much as this is probably

going to piss off the

people that loved the...

Was it Blumhouse that did the last...

Halloween ends, Halloween kills,

and Halloween fucking we're

done for another fifteen years.

I didn't watch it, so.

I didn't watch them.

No, I didn't watch them.

We'll argue about that later, Jay.

No problem.

I watched them, and Halloween kills,

I absolutely hate it.

Really?

That was the first one of the trilogy,

right?

That was the last one.

See, I thought that was Halloween ends.

I don't know.

Yeah, you're right.

Halloween ends.

One of them was awesome.

The other one was like,

you're not even close to

where you started.

Let me see.

So it's Halloween Kills.

Halloween... Wait, no.

There's Halloween,

and then there's Halloween Kills,

and then there's Halloween Kills, Yes,

so the first two were good.

The third one was garbage.

We can save that for a later episode.

Terrible.

Okay.

That's the one I was thinking about.

Yeah.

So the Thorne trilogy, I thought,

was neat as hell because they took...

What essentially was an old,

commonly known... Is that

like a separate movie thing?

It's not.

So it's actually Halloween V, VI, and VII,

if I remember right.

It starts with the curse of Michael Myers,

and it actually has Dr.

Loomis introduce the curse of Thorne,

right?

Okay.

The story arc is the leader

of the curse of Thorne

identifies Michael Myers as

someone who needs to kill

his entire family as a

blood sacrifice to ensure...

The success of everyone else.

Right.

So super cliched.

Very children of the corn.

Yeah.

But with Michael Myers.

So instead of Jacob.

You've got Michael Myers.

I had to write it down.

Because I don't want to forget later.

It's really not a bad movie.

But just go one.

Five six seven.

Okay one five six seven.

And it's all based around Samhain.

Or Sam Hine or Howard.

I'm not healthy.

Yeah, there you go.

I'm from Georgia, man.

Dialect and math are just,

they don't fucking happen.

We don't do those where we come from.

We don't do that shit.

English don't do good here.

I'm kidding.

I got you.

But they're solid movies by themselves,

right?

The problem with these is

always when you try the

time and the overarching Halloween thing.

Because no one

No one,

with the exception of John Carpenter.

And, to an extent, Rob Zombie.

But again, different episode.

I've been able to really

capture who Michael Myers is.

But this one, I think,

has done the best job of

trying to wrap that up into a nice,

neat little package for the monies.

Yeah.

Black.

No,

I was thinking while you guys were

saying that, that makes sense.

If you're breaking up the

timeline and that's part of that timeline,

then those movies make sense.

Mm-hmm.

So I need to revisit this whole series,

except for that last movie

took me out of it.

Yeah, I'm not going to fuck with those.

I'm going to go watch it the

way he just said, though.

Yeah, me too.

I've got a graphic,

and I'll see if I can find it.

I think I have it, too, saved somewhere.

I'm pretty sure I do.

I got charts.

It's all five timelines.

It's really cool.

And it breaks it down from

one to two and where they

split and everything.

So it basically tells you

the five ways to watch the

Halloween series where it

fucking makes sense.

Makes sense.

Kind of jive, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

And they're complete.

They're drastically different stories.

Yeah.

If it's the graphic that I have,

it tells you what each storyline is.

yeah revolves around too

like you start here you go

over here and that will

cover you know this and

then this one will cover

this yep so eric johnson

I'll have to try to track

it down so eric says please

share it please if you guys

can so maybe we can share

it to one of our pages um

that way people can kind of

get behind that um so on all uh

John Carpenter,

one of the awesome masters of horror,

did not disappoint with this franchise,

at least from the boot, in my opinion.

In my opinion,

one of the greatest boogeyman,

definitely the top three.

Absolutely adore Michael and

terrifying Michael Myers.

So Jeff, who else you got on your list?

Okay,

you want me to do a breakdown of the

rest of my list?

Yeah,

because that was basically the only

other.

I only had one other movie,

but it was kind of sketch

and whether I wanted to add it.

So it's called Lights Out.

Never heard of it.

What's the monster in it?

So the monster is.

Well, yeah,

the monster is more of a ghost.

OK.

Monster is more.

Maybe.

Go ahead, Chris.

so I am go ahead for hours

anybody knows me knows that

we know from the last

episode you go ahead you go

ahead bro I'm of the

mindset that regardless of

the form it takes trauma

itself is a boogeyman

So if your trauma shows up as a ghost,

if it shows up as a vampire,

if it shows up as a werewolf, quote,

it follows.

Your definition at the start

of the show was what?

It's normally masculine or androgynous.

But it is known by every culture worldwide,

regardless of what we call it.

Trauma is the one thing that,

regardless of culture, we all know.

yeah so I don't care what it

shows up as if it's

traumatic to the main

character it can appear out

of nowhere cause physical

harm or distress or protect

right if we want to use

that part of the definition

then it's a damn boogeyman

so diana from lights out

absolutely counts and she

was fucking terrifying so

I'm gonna have to check it

out um it's making the list

So Willie says Lights Out was phenomenal.

I remember this movie was

coming out and I want to

give a huge shout out to Teresa Palmer.

She is the main character in this movie.

Absolutely amazing actress.

I absolutely adore her.

She's definitely drawn to the

supernatural and horror.

If you guys have never

watched Discovery of Witches,

just a side note,

it's a great book and a

great series that she's in.

I have read it.

I've read, yeah.

She's amazing.

Yeah, she, as Eric says,

she always chooses really good roles.

So it was kind of like an

autopilot thing for me.

Like, oh, Teresa Palmer's in it?

Girl, let's check it out.

What are we doing?

What'd you pick?

What, you like the script?

Okay, me too.

I'm watching it.

So, I'm watching this movie,

and I kid you not,

I was kind of afraid to

turn the lights out for a little bit,

as Willie pointed out.

Like, the last legit movie, like,

this movie, like, actually, like, didn't,

like, it had him shook, it had me shook.

I didn't want to turn the lights out.

Like, I was scared.

Again,

they kind of portrayed it as a ghost,

but as you so eloquently put, Chris, it's

It's a boogeyman if it's the criteria.

I mean,

it's kind of like what your trauma

produced and that's what happened.

The list that I have and the

ones that were missing on

the list will make sense

too if we look at it that way.

Yeah.

I mean,

that's why I kind of chose

Boogeyman because I wasn't

really sure how else to

kind of... It's a catch-all.

It does.

I don't know how else to

describe Freddy or Jason or

Michael or a lot of other movies as in,

to me, they're just Boogeyman.

They're Boogeyman.

They're things that you kind

of conjured from your fears,

your nightmares, and that's just, to me,

utterly terrifying.

So...

Here's the rest of my list.

These were kind of random,

thrown together.

I don't want to say last

minute because I did this at lunchtime.

A new one for me is the Smile Entity.

Okay.

It's a reach.

I've kind of looked at that

as more of a demon, but that's me.

Art the Clown,

which I think is also more

of a possession slash demon.

Mr. Crockett,

if you have not watched that on Hulu,

on Hulu Screams.

I think it might be a

Goosebumps Universe type of deal.

Is Mr. Crocker the name of it, Jeff?

I don't think so.

He's the main villain in it.

Let me look it up.

And then the Babadook.

I think we talked about that one.

The Tall Man.

Oh, boy.

Yeah.

Boogle?

I think that's how you pronounce it.

Boogle?

Um...

Here's a really good one for you.

I got two more.

Krampus.

Alright.

And finally...

Well, no, I want to say finally,

because I'm saving one for

the very last minute.

So you can actually look at

Santa as being a boogeyman as well,

because Santa would be like

the protector of children.

Yes.

And then you can look at

Krampus as the punisher.

Yes.

Love it.

Because if you actually

watch the movie Krampus,

he punishes that whole family.

And they ask us.

I absolutely love this movie.

It really, really is.

I mean,

just the way that... I think it's German.

Is that right?

I think it's German.

It is, yeah.

The story and origin of

where Krampus comes from.

I like it because instead of

you being on Santa's naughty list,

Santa doesn't have a naughty list.

He has Krampus.

Or him and Krampus are

homies and he's like, hey, Krampus.

You need to go check out Johnny.

He's being a little shit.

This one,

I don't know if y'all ready for it yet,

but this movie scared the

fucking shit out of me when I was a kid.

Pardon my French,

but it scared the living shit out of me.

Okay.

That's terrible.

That's terrible,

but it didn't scare me as

bad as the Candyman did.

Oh, Helen, be my victim.

Tony Todd scares the shit out of me.

To this day.

I liked the remake.

that I did too me too was um

who is that dude with the

newest bets and everything

they have yep scared the

shit out of me still I

loved it I wish here's a

fun fact here's a fun fact

about the original candy

man yeah the bees were real

yeah yeah I read that that

crazy crazy shit oh my gosh

So they did an episode of...

Eli Roth did an episode of

Masters of Horror, I think.

Okay.

Where they covered Candyman.

And he had Todd on there

talking about that role,

going through all that.

You know,

he was a stage-trained Broadway actor.

Tony Todd, okay.

He got that presence.

No other slasher dresses or

carries himself as classy

as Candyman does.

And, I mean, frankly, he was the first...

He was the first black slasher icon,

right?

Yes.

There wasn't one before.

I can't recall one, no.

Outside of the seventies

exploitation stuff.

Not even that, because this role,

you had to take him serious.

Oh, for damn sure.

He scared the shit out of me.

Most definitely.

He had that voice and that gravitas, like,

holy shit, this guy means business.

Final Destination had Tony Todd as well,

right?

well and he kind of changed

that tone of that movie too

like especially the first

Final Destination for me

like I remember you know

you got Devin Sawa in there

and you're like oh shit

this shit's going down it's

crazy and then you see Tony

Todd and you're like oh

shit you knew it was

getting serious if Tony

Todd shows up with that

voice dude totally changed

it and what I love about

his scene in Final

Destination Jen what's that

The hook hanging off the

edge of the basket.

I know!

That was the shout out to the candy man.

Oh, yeah.

And, you know, to me, like,

Tony and Todd could show up in, like,

any horror movie and it'll

change it for me.

Like,

it'll immediately make me feel like

maybe we should turn on a light.

Just like one.

Just like, can we light a candle?

Like, burn some sage?

Like, I don't know.

One thing's for sure.

You're not saying the name

Candyman three times.

No.

To this fucking day.

I will not.

And if I hear you thinking about it,

I hear you thinking about it,

you get in the belt.

I don't care who you are.

But my last one, though.

What's that?

Pale Man, Pan's Labyrinth.

Man, I don't want to talk about that shit.

Okay?

That shit gave me nightmares.

That movie is terrible.

Love the movie.

Pale Man scares the fucking

shit out of me.

That whole movie.

That movie's fucked up, dude.

The first time I saw that movie,

I was like, oh my god.

Right?

Because you go into it thinking, oh,

this is going to be like a

kid's Goonies type.

Oh my god, why is his eyes in his hands?

What is this?

Turn the fucking lights on, please.

Turn the lights on.

I cannot watch this in the dark.

And Guillermo del Toro has

such amazing creatures in

all of his movies.

I remember when they did...

I'm getting off track a little bit,

but when they did...

When they did Hellboy II and

The Golden Army and he had

the Angel of Death.

It's almost like his signature.

He's got these very eerie

creatures in his movies and

they just send a shiver up my spine.

But they're beautiful.

And I love them.

Yes.

Even his anthology series

last year on Hulu.

The Cabinet of Curiosity.

Yes.

The Cabinet of Curiosity.

So good.

The fact that he chose two H.P.

Lovecraft adaptations that he did.

And he nailed them.

That series.

Can we just reflect real quick?

Last year's horror stuff

blew this year's shit out of the water.

Agreed.

Last year was one of the

freakiest fucking years ever.

It was good.

We've had some good horror movie years.

Yeah, definitely.

Every now and then.

There was something Eric

said that actually...

It was spot on.

So if you kind of look at

the definition of, yeah.

So it came to America as the grudge,

but in Japan it was called Ju-on.

That is another one I think is great.

And there's actually a comic

strip of the grudge.

Yeah, it's Samara, right?

It's the little girl.

There's actually a comic strip.

I'm getting a little off topic again,

but there's a comic strip

that has Samara on there.

Is it the ring?

Okay, it's the ring.

Actually,

that's kind of along the same vein, too.

They're all within the

same... They're both on the same boat.

So, actually, the entity,

you could actually say...

Is fueled by um,

maybe somebody's death

Their own death it was their own death.

Yeah their own death.

Um,

yeah even uh going after people that

wrong them um,

or even share like the same

emotion or What have you um,

the grudge is definitely um

another movie I tell you

what man that that is

another intro to a movie

Just seeing that that little girl

That's terrifying.

Get me the fuck out of here.

The Grudge is the movie that

made me realize that I'm a dog person.

I got multiple cats and a dog.

Lord help me.

Get that damn cat away from me.

He's in the tower.

He's cool.

Get out of here.

They're fucking evil as hell.

That was the ring I was talking about.

Apologies.

I loved Sarah Michelle

Gellar in The Grudge.

I like how... This is

actually something I talked

to... I watched this movie

with Eric's mom.

If you guys don't know,

Eric's mom is Japanese.

We were watching it with her.

Eric's mom...

I tell you what, man.

This woman can sit here and

watch us play these horror

video games and watch these

horror movies.

That's true.

We actually think this.

Going to a house where

someone was traumatically

like murdered and there's

like bad energy and vibes

and stuff there she's like

oh yeah yeah you know

people I'm like you're not

helping mom I'm like you're

making this way I'm not

taking her to a but the uh

the carriage rides they do

in uh the haunted part of

new orleans around the

graveyard and stuff

Just don't take her to New Orleans.

Yeah, don't take her there.

She's going to be the most

stable person there.

I've never seen that woman scared.

Yeah, she can watch anything.

Remember she watched The

Grudge and she watched The Ring with us.

She's like, oh yeah.

And I'm like, mom!

The movie's fucking terrifying.

Her hair is coming out of the ceiling.

This movie is rooted in realism.

I'm not staying in that part of Japan.

No, I don't want to.

Never.

I know.

Oh, Eric's laughing.

That's true.

Jeff,

did you have any other movies you

want to talk about?

I think we've hammered them

all out on my end of the story.

Actually,

I want to honorable mention WWE

The Boogeyman.

We're not discussing The

Boogeyman without

mentioning The Boogeyman.

We're not talking about our wrestlers.

Go ahead.

We're going to throw Papa

Sean into the mix as well.

I got one for both of y'all.

Go ahead.

Bray Wyatt.

Follow the buzzers, sir.

Since we're on this topic of protection,

Bray Wyatt was a protection

gimmick for a real-life guy

because he had dealt with a

lot of rejection and his...

experiences,

being a character that he

didn't want to be,

kind of forced his hand at

what the Fiend was.

So him going through his

career and being rejected

in all of his ideas,

he created that Fiend

character as a protection gimmick.

Under the mask,

he could be who he truly wanted to be.

The ultimate boogeyman.

And I'll give you one.

I'll give you a good boogeyman right now.

Cody Rhodes is a great boogeyman.

I know where you're going with this,

and I fucking love the idea.

I do.

I really love this idea.

Cody Rhodes is the boogeyman.

I love the idea.

No, it's a great theory, and I love it.

If you look at what Roman Reigns was,

which he's also...

I know, and he's coming back as a face.

Yes, yes, yes.

But Cody Rhodes is not a good guy.

No, he's a greedy little shit.

He's the bad guy.

Cody Rhodes is the bad guy.

He's the son of a bum of fun.

Yep, to be the good guy.

He is the boogeyman.

Anybody got

Anything else they want to mention?

Any characters we didn't talk about?

Any movies we didn't talk about?

It's our last show.

I do.

Go ahead.

I knew you did.

First off, for the parents out there,

we got Mr. Boogity and Bride of Boogity.

These are movies that I

watched when I was...

Seven or eight years old on

The Wonderful World of

Disney on Sunday nights.

And I absolutely loved them.

It's about a statue that comes to life,

scares the crap out of a family.

Yeah.

If you got kids, check out Mr. Boogity.

It's on Disney+.

I've already checked.

I may have watched it three, four,

seven times in the last month or so.

And I'm going to steal a

little bit of Willie's thunder, I think,

this evening since he couldn't make it.

and list off a couple of

animes from the horror genre.

Okay.

But one in particular that

deals with the boogeyman subject,

the first one is going to be Hellsing.

Ooh.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Certainly not for the kids.

No.

Would not recommend it,

especially the updated version of it.

I want to say there's an

essay in episode four or

five that's pretty intense.

It's about mid-season.

Yeah, so...

Be careful with that one.

The other one is actually

going to be Yami.

It's a series.

So I'll give you the premise

and I'll give you the title

because I from George and I

can't pronounce Japanese names.

So it's essentially the

wraparound is that man in

yellow that doesn't own a

monkey named George shows

up every night and

basically tells people ghost stories.

And the name of the series

is actually Theater of

Darkness Yamishibai.

And it's on Crunchyroll.

The animation style is

something that is extremely

unique compared to anything

I've seen in the anime realm.

It's very much more like an

animated comic strip than

it is a true anime.

But the art style is absolutely beautiful.

The stories are...

amazingly good each episode

is between like four and

eight minutes long and

there's like thirteen to

fourteen of them so they're

a quick watch but man are

they good outside of that

when it comes to Boogeyman

I really think we've

covered the vast majority

of the characters that I

think I know and love the

one thing that I would say

not to steal any thunder from anybody

or for the show at all but I

would like to say rest in

peace to Terry Garr who

passed away today at the

age of seventy nine for any

horror fans you probably

know her from Young

Frankenstein for fans of

comedies you know her from

Mr. Mom she's been around

for a long time great

actress done some amazing

things so best wishes to

her and her family thank you Chris

And I'll come up with a

funny joke so we don't end

this on a depressing note.

We won't.

We're not going to because

we're ready to roll into

final shots and thoughts.

Unless Jen's got something else.

I do.

Oh,

so since Chris kind of touched on the

vein of maybe some things

that your kids can watch,

there was an anime that

Eric and I watched.

It's called Mushishi.

um it is a great anime yep I

was asking eric what you're

talking I was like what's

the name of the anime so

it's called mushishi if you

guys have ever watched it

um it is um so every story

is different and it has

like a different spirit

That the basically the

traveler kind of diagnosed

and he kind of figures out

like how to kind of deal with the spirit.

Some of the tones are a

little bit more mature than others.

Definitely,

I would recommend it to a grown up.

I love it.

I wish they made more.

I adore it.

Other things that my family

and I watch for Halloween

is definitely Hocus Pocus.

Not part two.

I like part two.

You shush it.

I wish they would have stuck

with the book.

I didn't see they're doing a TV series.

Live action TV series.

They're bringing everybody

back and they're going to

do a live action TV series.

Another thing that money at Disney.

Yeah, like they're hurting for it.

And the other thing we

always watch is Nightmare

Before Christmas.

So that's also with

Christmas and Halloween.

Hey,

the actor that played Oogie Boogie

passed recently, too.

Yeah, the voice actor.

Yeah, fucking sucks, man.

That was a I believe it.

Yeah.

Um.

Black,

do you have any kind of Halloween

traditions that you guys

like to watch you can

recommend to people?

Well, you kind of took mine.

This year,

we're doing the Halloween series.

We're going to watch that.

One of our traditions is

Nightmare Before Christmas.

My daughter's a huge Tim Burton fan.

She kind of got me into that.

Another one that we end up

watching during Halloween,

I have no idea why, is Coraline.

That's perfect.

We're still watching that.

during halloween oh yeah I'm

gonna take away the final

shots and thoughts real

quick coralline's mom

showed up on the boogeyman

list as well really yeah in

her uh in her other form in

the spider form they

considered yeah they

considered her a boogeyman

in that so now I'll put it

back up I left her off the

list because I was like

yeah but now I'm like you know what

I fucking love Coraline.

Me and my daughter watched that one.

Halloween night, that's our go-to.

We'll watch Coraline.

Love it.

She'll watch it up there.

I'll watch it down here.

We love it.

It's a good movie.

What's that though?

Jen, what's going on with the Queens?

Anything coming up?

I'm going to play my

transition really quick.

Final shots and thoughts.

All right.

But now final thoughts.

Jen, what you got?

Well,

I will be releasing sometime this week.

The last episode of our

spooky season will be the

werewolf or no zombies.

And then hopefully I can get

episode thirty four of

Fallen Star out and

Things are kind of progressing along.

We are going to be gaming this weekend.

I'm super excited.

It's been a little bit since we've gamed.

going to be fun.

I can't wait.

If you guys have never done a TTRPG,

I highly recommend it.

Get a book.

Pick somebody to be the

dungeon master and have a fun time.

It's free.

The only thing that costs

money is eventually just

getting the dice and buying pizza.

And more books.

You should do it.

But that's all I got for the quiz.

It's upside down.

My bad.

Now shameless plug.

This is how I got started.

Wizards of the Coast needs

more of our money.

They got a lot of mine

because I sponsored a D&D

club at my daughter's school.

So I went a little overboard,

I should say.

Chris, anything coming up with you?

No.

So just kind of kicking it around.

Excited to see the zombies episode.

I hear there's an exciting

new guest appearance there.

but a dude who thinks he

knows what he's talking about.

So, interested to hear that.

I bet his name's Chris.

I bet it is.

Yeah,

it's like CJ or Lovebug or something.

It's really weird.

Lovebug?

But he seemed like a nice guy.

Yeah, he's a nice guy.

And Lovebug sounds very fitting,

I must say.

It does, yeah.

He's like a teddy bear

stuffed with razor blades,

I think is how I heard him described.

I can see that.

Nails on a chalkboard, maybe?

Yeah, yeah.

Looks soft and cuddly, but if you hug him,

he'll cut a bitch kind of thing.

So you guys may see Chris

and I in future episodes

talking about more horror stuff because,

you know,

there's just so much to talk about.

Wait, does that make Chris a new queen?

Yes.

I love it.

Chef's kiss.

Black, what you got going on?

I got my own personal

boogeyman in here right now.

My niece is in here.

What up?

We have no gimmicks tomorrow.

We're ending our spooky

season talking about the

scariest big men.

We are also doing crown

jewel predictions tomorrow.

It's going to be a fun time.

Make sure you guys come in.

I love it.

Oh, I forgot.

I'm going to be on Pop Break

tomorrow with Amanda.

We're going to be talking

about Agatha all along.

I'm super excited.

If you guys have not watched that show,

I a thousand times ten

infinity recommend it.

It's amazing.

I love Agatha all along.

Is it phase two MCU amazing?

Because if not, I'm not watching.

I would put it up there.

It's on that level.

Alright, I'll check it out.

It has no filler episodes.

No,

and I just watched one of the best

flashback episodes I've

ever seen in my life.

I'll check it out.

That flashback episode,

I think it was episode five.

Holy shit.

But that brings me...

Yes, but I wasn't going to bring that up.

I'm saving that one.

I'm saving it.

So,

USDN's got... USDN short number four

being filmed tomorrow.

New comic book day for the

thirtieth of October will be tomorrow.

Agatha All Along for the...

The finale will be next week.

Next week, I think.

And I'll have my cast of usual.

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Finale is next week, right?

This week.

So the finale episode will be next week.

Okay.

It's going to be a late night.

Yes, it will.

Well, I don't do it on the same night.

I do it like the day after or something.

I'll talk about me because

now I have to binge Agatha.

Oh, yeah.

You definitely got to.

Yes.

Yeah.

And then I may be on No

Gamuts tomorrow doing Crown

Jewel predictions.

Spoiler, he will be.

The Rock is going to interfere.

He better not.

Last time he hit me with the

people's belt and it pissed me off.

I had a concussion for a week.

I had a concussion for a

week the last time he did that.

And then what else do I got coming up?

Uh...

Yeah, but just be on the lookout.

You never know when I'm

going to drop a short.

You know, I watched your short.

I really like them.

Because I drop them two a week sometimes.

I like them.

I mean,

you have a lot of comic insights

and I love that.

It's great.

It's mainly new comic book day releases.

And then I'll do... Last

week I did my... It's your niche.

I like it.

Halloween Havoc Predictions.

I like your niche.

It's a good...

You just never know.

I'll do them on anything.

I don't care.

All you got to do is drop it

in the comments and if I like it,

I'll run it.

Run with it.

That's all I have.

Anything else from anybody

else before I close this show out?

Negative Ghostwriter.

Roger, Roger.

Thanks for having me.

Yeah, man.

Always.

It's been great.

Always.

Thanks for coming through, man.

Yeah, we appreciate it.

It's been fun.

So with that, everybody,

thanks everybody for tuning in to my,

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