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The most uncensored conversations about censorable things coming out from the much-censored country of Singapore. Hosted by Haresh & Terence from the comedy house Ministry of Funny.
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Unknown
What's up everybody? Welcome to another episode of Yalla, your thrice weekly podcast where we talk about the hottest news with a touch of what merits. Good old humor, man. So what's new? Man, how's the weekend? The weekend was good. But there are dark storm clouds. We run for today or Monday afternoon, 17th February. But yeah, weekend.
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Unknown
One weekend was good. How about you? Weekend was. Weekend was good. Recovering from the trip. I think like everything you said before, while traveling with a kid and realizing that traveling with a kid is just taking care of a kid in another country. Is exactly. That is a cynical way to think about. Yo, man, it was tiring as fuck.
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Unknown
Like, holy shit, man. Like, I mean, I'm still very happy that we managed to go to Saudi Arabia as a family, but it was, it was tough, but is was always really tough. Yeah. For sure. Actually, the flights were okay. It was just, I think because my wife went on a work trip and I also was thinking, okay, I can do some work while I was there, but I think that expectation was a bit misguided, misguided.
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Unknown
But, I mean, you learn, you learn. You know, you got time to go in one for another. Oh, yeah, I did, I did, I did. So the trip and the trip started over a high, but a moment like, you know, we both had, like what? She definitely had work to attend to. Then I was tasked with, like, being, you know, one on one, with, with a kid, certain things along the way also didn't help.
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Unknown
That, I mean, just like things like the the sterilizing table, it had, like, a bleach smell. And then, my kid was rejecting the bottle and then dealing with all that, but came back in one piece, so. Okay. Fatherhood. Fatherhood, man. I mean, our last episode of the podcast. So the. Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. Right. Great.
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Unknown
Correct. Literally, you know, a lot of the struggles that you face in Saudi Arabia. Those that we discuss in the episode. Yeah. Correct, correct. Yeah. The, the hodling thing is I think the last time we talked about is anybody who wants to listen to us talking about being there. I think there were a few responses on, on social media that said, yeah, we would love to hear you guys talk about being dads.
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Unknown
Yeah. Experience. Yeah. Because I've found it useful to read accounts of other dads and even talking to other dads as pretty as you are. Like, talk to you is helpful, especially as you are as pretty, as condescending as you are. It is helpful because it sets the expectations that sometimes whatever you feel as if that is normal is normal.
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Unknown
And I think that is, very important. Yeah. It's a bit like, I mean, like, what are the topics you talk about? Yeah. Correct. Each other down, down the rabbit hole. Yeah. Correct. Correct, correct. Exactly. Yeah. So I mean, we'll be talking about that. We'll be talking about dark clouds. And there's a lot to talk about. But before that, we have announcement.
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Unknown
Darren's. Yeah. Yeah. Exciting. Announcement. Yeah. Of the, very exciting thing that happened in December. What is it? It is the second live show that we are going to be doing in March. I mean, for those of you who are new to the podcast, we've been listening for a while but didn't get a chance to get tickets for our December show, which sold out, pretty, pretty fast, which was.
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Unknown
Which was great. We are going to be having another live show. And it's going to be happening on, Thursday, 6th March at night. And we will be releasing the, the, the ticket sale, maybe, I mean, in the coming weeks. Don't know when yet. And we've got certain feedback that last time, you know, releasing it at 3 p.m. was a bit hard because people like what we had to kind of like a bit distracting.
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Unknown
So we'll probably do it maybe at night or something. 1 or 2 days. But yeah, it's happening. If you couldn't get tickets before, remember to to set your alarms, because the tickets hopefully sell out fast. But yeah, we excited because it's going to be a few days after the February Parliaments. So the much too much polymer sitting.
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Unknown
Yeah. So it'll be interesting. And we will share more details. But, yeah, it's going to be exciting. I mean, this week is a big week as well. With the news today and and tomorrow is the budget. Oh yeah. That's true. So there's going to be a lot of stuff to talk about in the coming couple weeks.
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Unknown
Yeah. But today I mean we can't run away from this weekend. Yeah. In fact, it was recorded earlier. But we'll let you know what it was. So the results that were coming up at certain times. And we will jump into it, but, remember to follow us on social media. Yeah. Remember to follow us on all social media.
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Unknown
Like, share follow this podcast. Right. Yeah. Because, yeah, there's a lot of stuff coming up soon. Yeah. And if you want to work with us, drop us a message. You can visit us at Ministry of funny.com, or, reach out at contact at Ministry of funny.com. Okay, cool. Now the the fresh off the press. Literally.
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Unknown
We are getting, updates by the minute. And it is the news, or the verdict, or the latest verdict on the pre-term, seeing trial. That, I mean, the the trial happened of a couple of months ago, and we did go to watch it at the state courts. At least at least one of the days.
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Unknown
And we did coverage before. But now the verdict is out. And I think there was news yesterday that the verdict would be out today. Right? No, we knew already that February 17th. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Great, great. Yeah. Still just a reminder. And I mean, this morning, I think there was a two hour, summary, read by the judge.
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Unknown
And then they broke at about 12 plus, pm, and they reconvene at 3:20 p.m. to announce the verdict. Yeah. The sentence, which is the Pritam Singh has been handed the maximum fine of $7,000 on each charge of lying to Parliament. So to to recap, I mean, he was facing, trial for two charges, for lying in, to the cop that his trial was about was about.
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Unknown
And, yeah, this this news is hot off the presser. So, so before we we dive into it, like, what? What were you expecting a hero today and and what are your initial thoughts? Initial thoughts? I mean, this is, one of the most hotly watched, trials, right? History, I think. As far as I know that this is like the first time anyone has been convicted under the, the parliamentary, parliamentary, privileges, act.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Basically. It's a big deal. It sets a real precedent. MPs behavior. Yeah. In front of, And see the Committee of Privileges. Yeah. We went to the trial and we had thoughts about it and we, we had said in the previous podcast, but to be, to be perfectly frank, also, towards the end of the 13 days of trial.
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Unknown
I also maybe switch it off a little. I felt like I, I felt almost like I was being caught in, in a very secretive kind of, back and forth between, right hand side and, and thumbs inside. And I kind of like after a while I just lost track of what was I not I lost track.
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Unknown
I lost interest. So everyone was just and then they, I think they even finished the trial early. Yeah. There wasn't a lot more. There wasn't a lot more discussion. And I think we were just looking forward to this February 17th. Yeah. What would happen. Yeah. And I mean to recap right. What he was being charged with, which he was eventually charged with, is falsely testifying that, at the end of his meeting with Rosa Khan and Sylvia Lim and, Faisal Manap on August 8th, that he wanted Miss Khan.
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Unknown
Right. Again, to clarify, at some point in Parliament that what she had said about accompanying a rape victim to police was untrue. So basically, at the general meeting, he said that he wanted Resa to clarify in parliament, that it was a lie. And then the second thing is that he falsely testified that when he spoke to Razor Khan on October 3rd, 2021, he wanted to convey to her that if the issue came up in Parliament the next day, she had to clarify that her story was a lie.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. So so essentially those two things that according to Pritam, he want the rights account to do. But according to the, the the judge, said no, those two are false. Yeah. So what are your thoughts when you, when you read this, these the headlines of this further, you know, I mean, because we were we were keeping track as, like, the news was coming out, and then while there was that break for the final sentencing, reading, the judge, I know there's probably going to be a lot of chatter over these next few days, but, I did find it, surprising that there were many, many things that
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Unknown
seem like. Well, these are pretty broad statements. Like, the judge left, the judgment, and I mean it. And I'm just cautioning myself because there's a lot of literature and a lot of documentation behind all this. So there might be very good reasons to justify that. But, I'm just saying from my own memory, and what we're reading in the news and articles.
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Unknown
Right. Because I remember when we were there at state court, also the the the fucking booklet, the file of stuff they had to look through was immensely right. But I mean, just like, certain certain things that I'm reading of an article, you know, a very important piece of evidence that Judge Dunn gave full weight to was a WhatsApp message sent by Miss Can't to a group chat with former WP cadres.
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Unknown
Low paying and you destroy Nathan. And I think there was a rejection of Singh defense lawyers to claim that, the circumstances around the message was suspect and basically that she was not a credible witness. And I think the judge, you know, very emphatically said that there was no reason to suggest that Rasa would lie about one aspect of the discussion, but tell the truth about the other aspect, and that she was a credible witness.
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Unknown
And I feel like, oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, I can understand the logic, but from what I remember reading, from what I remember watching the state court, if I were to read just this right, it paints a very different picture of, of of how much, truth that you can assume to be in razor seconds account.
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Unknown
So, I mean, of course, I'm not a judge, I'm not a lawyer. But, the along the whole process, it felt like there were many things that she said that I mean, she lied in Parliament, right. And in the cop, I do remember even like with the cadre, some parts that came out that I was like, And not seeing that Pritam didn't seem like he did anything wrong.
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Unknown
There were things you did wrong, but it's what felt super against. So that was my initial thought. Of course, there's a lot to to unpack. What else? One thought. I mean, okay, I think, like, one point I want to make is that, my experience probably is a microcosm of the lot of people's experiences. Initially, like, oh, this is something quite interesting, quite exciting to follow.
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Unknown
Yeah. Time everyone just sort of like, sort of lost in the weeds about it back and forth between pretense, excitement and testimony and all these things. Right. Yeah. But at the end of the day, when you open up, you know, international publications like the BBC. Pritam Singh, Singapore opposition leader, guilty of lying to parliament, you know, and you go to the times of, times of India, Singapore Indian origin opposition leader found guilty of giving false testimony.
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Unknown
That's the headlines. And you know how many people, like you and me are going to bother to come see the statement? I wouldn't bother to read the defense that we should. I'm going to put you can go on the leader opposition website and read the full defense option submission everything. Yeah. It's more than a hundred pages.
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Unknown
We're going to read the judge's decision and try to follow the timeline or everything is saying that, right? Yeah. At the end of the day, the headline, is is the loudest. Yeah. That's been found guilty of lying. Right? Yeah. And, I think ultimately, anyone with any kind of, like, in this, like, interest in this case, this is the most important, the most important detail to them that he is.
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Unknown
I'm guilty of lying. So, that's the thing for me that, that like like you said that, that certain parts of the case may be like seem like leaps, quite, quite big leaps for you, right. Yeah. I mean, assuming with, you light and everything. Right? Yeah. Yeah. The bottom line is that he's been found guilty of lying, and that is going to be public record, you know, in the news and everything from from your know.
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Unknown
Yeah. And and I mean, even the headlines you look BBC Pritam Singh, Singapore opposition leader, guilty of lying to parliament, but he's guilty of lying to the Committee of Privileges, which is a parliamentary committee, and it feels like there's a different weight. When you say lying to Parliament. And that's where I feel like. Oh, shit. That's also like, what do you see?
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Unknown
Like it's painting this one image which feels like there's a there's a lot more to to unpack there. Yeah. So the nuances. Yeah. On, you know, people who are not looking at the details though, right. Yeah. Even better. Yeah. But it's not a good look for sure. For goes into, into the general election, which I mean, as of literally a some minutes ago, he has reaffirmed his commitment to run for general election.
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Unknown
And the election department has also come forward and said that it will not affect his, I mean, either the $10,000 because I think if you're fine, more than $10,000 on a single charge. Yeah. You're disqualified for running for election or jailed a certain amount of time. But but in this case, he no jail time, and he's fined for each charged with $7,000.
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Unknown
So it seems like he's still eligible to run for election. Yeah. Just not. Good luck there. Yeah. And I mean, you know, like like like what? We said even, on Britain's Facebook page, he posted like a tldr of his appeal also. And he put links here to the leaders of, of opposition websites and. Yeah, the appeal document is pretty damn long.
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Unknown
So, I mean, we can be sure that his appeal will go on. But I don't know if reading this right. It's just it just feels fills me with a bit of like, well, I kind of like, well, is this was this really was I, was I remembering it wrongly? Am I is my am I being like, gaslit because the facts are everything against like what I thought the outcome would be?
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Unknown
Because yeah, I think we were very clear. Even when we covered a cop and a trial. Pritam did do certain things that you look at it, you like, you shouldn't have done that. You know, even as a layperson, you read it, you like you you could have done better. You could have done something that would almost lead to less issues.
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Unknown
So he he he didn't perform perfectly, but this one feels like it's a it's, it makes me think of a different sequence of events. I mean, the most generous interpretation of of what I'm saying is that maybe he can't do much about whether it's protecting, you know, race icons, reputation of, you know, the fact that she was a victim of sexual abuse and everything, like.
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Unknown
Right. Maybe a bit too much about that. And led to certain decisions he made that maybe compromised his on his party's position. Not. Right. That's the most generous interpretation that you can make of it. That right. Yeah. But yeah I read this verdict kind of painted this it's a much less generous that really paints it like almost, you know, that he was quite, knowingly lying to, the Committee of Privileges.
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Unknown
Yeah. And so, I mean, and he, you know, this, of course, comments like, if you go on Reddit, there's a a lot of sentiments say, okay, this feels a bit aqilah. And I don't know. So this now is going to be interesting, right? How would people react to this? I think you can assume that, let's say if he was not allowed to run for election because the penalty that then gave for more than one charge.
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Unknown
It might have the effect of rallying people who again, they don't look at the nitty gritty, but they like this guy has been unfairly, fixed. Let's vote for him. I think politically, that's not the smartest thing to do. As a, as the incumbent. But on this side, I'm guessing there'll be some people who will be like, yeah, that's why we can vote opposition.
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Unknown
Even the leader of opposition is a liar. Yeah, but it also be some people who like this is unfair. You know what? It has strengthened their resolve to vote opposition. Yeah. I had over the weekend I was, I was at a big dinner and I met people. Give me that, that line. Not that I want do I want to vote for you know the incumbent was just there.
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Unknown
I mean the opposition okay. No big deal. You mean ahead of this, this outcome. Not even in reference to this outcome. General just saying about, the likelihood. Yeah. So just a general sense that the opposition cannot make it. Yes. I mean, this this headline here kind of reinforces, those kind of that kind of belief.
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Unknown
So, so just to clarify, you were at a wedding dinner and you were talking about this kind of topics. Hey, politics is the topic, but you brought it up. No, no, no I didn't. You sure? Actually, I, I told you before. Trump or Trump, did you rather not bring up a you don't like to bring up, politics at all?
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Unknown
Because I get the sense that, Yeah, there's a lot more people who feel very strongly about, about, certain opinions in politics. Very emboldened to talk about it in a very authoritative. We know not. See you say that obviously. Right. But it just strikes me as a, you know, quite surprising that people that you, you would think have a bit more, you know, they put a bit more thought behind some of these things.
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Unknown
From the thing that a lot of what they hear or read about you know, so, so was that the situation at the wedding. Do you know what it was like. You know like shark's fin soup flying over the table. No. Okay. That was the situation. No, no. You didn't get angry. You can very can draw very clear lines about who supports.
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Unknown
And you didn't know everyone at the table beforehand? Not everyone. Not or sort of. Very. You all had a political discussion at a table where not everyone knew everyone else. Right. To talk about. But some of these things. But yeah. I mean anyway my point is that politics has this like could could stir up emotions very easily today.
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Unknown
So I've sort of full back talking about politics a lot. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this one like, I think, you know, in the, in the broader context of everything, like, when you read this, I mean, the Electoral Boundaries Review Committee has already been convened. So everyone knows that the elections are on the cards. And I know what you're going to say, that.
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Unknown
Oh, everything ties back to the election, but you can't help but think that you always say that. You always say that. Oh, everything is about race. Everything about elections. Well, this is, I was going to say that, this is this is the judiciary, but. Run. Yeah. So it's not necessarily that, I mean, okay, on people, on people, but in people's minds.
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Unknown
In people's minds. No, it's meant to be independent. Yes. But, you look at it. I mean, that's why the there is very clear mentions, even by Pritam himself, that he is going to run. And I mean, in all the articles there was talk about whether he will be able to run or whether he will not be able to run.
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Unknown
Yes, they are two separate and they're meant to be like impartial. But it does feel like, oh, this might have a consequence, but I'm going to. That's why I will push back a little bit. Right. Your, your basic, basically the things that you've heard and read about race, about and, and all these things. Yeah.
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Unknown
Whether all of that should be taken into account in this, in this case, not. Right. One could argue that the judge is really looking at what Singh said at the committee. Yeah. And whether the trustworthiness of race I can you know, in her account of things and all that whether, whether you know, she lied before, you know, the fact that she, she lied to some of them and things like that.
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Unknown
All right. All of that be taken into account when this case is really about seeing his conduct in front of the Committee of. All right. It will be I mean you think about what the judge is trying to do is maybe narrow down the scope of what he's supposed to look at. To just like how razor can conduct herself in court for this trial.
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Unknown
Yeah. The witnesses conducted themselves in court for this trial. And, and you know, the statements of the police and all that. But all this stuff before that, maybe he really doesn't have the purview to to consider that as evidence. I'm seeing that. So I what I'm trying to put out there is that. Yeah. Maybe some people might be very upset of this verdict and stick to that.
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Unknown
But if you really think about what the judge's job is. The trial. The trial and can be narrowed down to this. So the interactions and you maybe in his understanding or he him watching race are on trial in court. Not on trial. Yes I can as a witness in court. He came to a different interpretation of trustworthiness.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. As bystanders, as people reading Reddit or whatever have generally thought through in some sense you must separate the parts from what the parameters of this judgment, is about. Yes. True. And I mean, there is the danger of muddling things. I mean, even day to day life. Right? Just because someone fucks up one time, but in a totally different context.
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Unknown
Should you just base them based what you think of them on that interaction alone, or have let the thing at the back of your hit? I would say in real life, you actually have to think at a bit of your head. You have to think it over your head. So in this case, yes, I mean, for the judge, I can I can understand it is what is said during the trial and that that, trumps everything that said before.
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Unknown
So maybe it's the difference between what was in the trial and what the emotional side of things is. Public opinion? Yeah. I mean, he's got a very narrow purview in some sense. Yeah. Identify with something like through the Committee of Privileges or, you know, stretch the truth to the judges and all that, right? And, as I sit in my my what I thought is a generous interpretation of what I'm seeing, that, there are things I would do differently if I was the leader of opposition.
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Unknown
There are things that would be more direct and forceful about if I was to be done. But I'm not really the opposition. So there are maybe considerations that we had that we don't even know about that. Right. And so then things and all that. So it's you know when you look at the court of public opinion, I think one thing we have to remember is this the, the, the judge and the court law is also operating on this with different parameters.
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Unknown
So, you know, you can get very emotional about this, but it is what it is. And the headline is the most important thing that came out of this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean yeah. Because if anyone's been keeping track of this, you have literally you may have watched the whole thing from the lie in Parliament to the Committee of Privileges, the nine hour grilling of freedom, and the additional grilling of Sylvia and Faisal Manap and rights icon.
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Unknown
And then this trial. Yeah. Maybe maybe there is some truth to that. Which is why I, I'm curious to see what happens after the appeal. Because if you look at Britain's statement is there's a lot of conviction behind him saying that, you know, that there's a lot of things that are, incorrect or he feels very strongly against in the, in the judgment.
00:25:05:02 - 00:25:25:20
Unknown
I mean, for example, there was, I think basically that he was being put on trial for the two things, right. Which is, claiming that you want the right account to clarify a lie in Parliament at some point for telling the cop that he had Viceroy's account to come clean in Parliament, both of which have been found to be lies.
00:25:26:17 - 00:25:51:14
Unknown
But instead, in the in his statement, he mentioned that there was an email he sent, after, after, meeting, the, Faisal Manap. Sylvia. There was an email he sent to the team to talk about the dangers of lying in Parliament. And that, and that made a case for for how wrong it is.
00:25:51:16 - 00:26:17:06
Unknown
And that was not really spoken about in the judgment. So when you look at it, you're like, okay, of course, in the in the judgment. What the I think the judge, all these articles, all said is that, he he didn't his team didn't invite Sylvia Lim and Faisal man up to be witnesses on in court because the, there was some discrepancy between the accounts in Britain who say that, I think it's in somewhere in one of the articles.
00:26:17:07 - 00:26:37:09
Unknown
I mean, let me find it. Yeah. I believe the, the copy established that it was discrepancy. Is that right? Yeah. I didn't want to see your earlier point about that. The court didn't bring up, about it. Yeah, they they did, though. I think they they said that, it was not a, Yeah. Not not a clear statement like.
00:26:37:09 - 00:26:57:06
Unknown
Correct. Correct. I needed to clarify the like, you know, they, they they the court, I think, essentially said, I'm paraphrasing essentially the court was saying that, it was more like a general it could be seen as just a general email to remind us about, about, not like, necessarily outright instruction, for example, to clarify.
00:26:57:08 - 00:27:31:03
Unknown
Yeah, yeah. Not true. I mean, you know, when you think about the broader context of the world today, right, where last time, you know, we didn't care a lot more about people's feelings. Whereas now, today, it's about sending masculine energy back to the corporate world and, efficiency. Do you think, presumptions management style would need to change just based on everything that you've read about this trial and how you conducted himself, which is is a bit weird, right?
00:27:31:03 - 00:28:05:02
Unknown
Because like maybe 15 years ago, the management style would be don't care about feelings. I want to tell you what to do. Then it evolved to be more, you know, making sure people are aligned on purpose, empowering them to make their own decisions, which is seems like what preterm did. But, now I don't think it would need to change just yet, because the change that we are seeing now, I mean, with, with clear reference to the US, feels like it's robbing a lot of people the wrong way or, you know, the move fast, break things, all about efficiency.
00:28:05:04 - 00:28:26:02
Unknown
Don't really care about the softer side of things. I don't know, man. I think it's it'll be too fast a change. But but I think not long, not long ago, he had, a statement where he, I think a message to his own Workers Party recently. Right. Where he, quit. I think he was more forceful.
00:28:26:23 - 00:28:46:20
Unknown
Need to to I mean paraphrasing that you need to kind of pull the party line because this is what brings, this is what brought you to, you know, to your position, you know, to never forget that the party everyone the party, that's what brought you here. And it's not about you individually. About the party. I think we talked about it on this podcast where it's a much more forceful message.
00:28:48:01 - 00:29:09:13
Unknown
Maybe, maybe that's him. This is reaction to what's going on in this with this. All right. I kind of think he kind of just stayed in black and white that you know, we can't tolerate we can't tolerate it anymore. Truly. But I mean, even if you want to take the empowering approach, right? His approach with race, I can call mistakes.
00:29:09:17 - 00:29:32:22
Unknown
I think so. I wouldn't discount that empowering approach just yet. So you're saying that even trying to be empowering? Yeah, there were things. There were things which he didn't do. Well, I look back, you're like, okay, if it's taking this long for the clarity to come through, maybe you just need to be a bit more explicit. And of course, as leader of opposition, you were a swamp like crazy.
00:29:32:24 - 00:29:51:23
Unknown
But these kind of things, given how sensitive it could be, you cannot deprioritized it like. I mean, it happens in life, right? Even with your own kids, sometimes a little shit. I should have done it. You didn't. But this just spiraled into a mess. And go back. To go back to my previous point, I said, this is something on the CNN article.
00:29:51:23 - 00:30:16:18
Unknown
Judge one rapped the defense for extensive and liberal references to what Miss Limb and Mister Pfizer upset during a cop hearings, noting that these could not be admitted in court since neither were called as witnesses in the trial. So basically, in some way saying that, yeah, you can't you can't bank on what they said during the swap because, like what you said, not being part of a trial removes it from all his judgment.
00:30:17:20 - 00:30:35:12
Unknown
And that's where it also made me think, oh, yeah. Actually, how come they were not called his witnesses? Given that there were a lot of meetings that preterm had, they were part of the disability disciplinary committee that was convened to talk about what Ryuzaki can't do. Tell a bit. So this whole case is just one big mess.
00:30:36:21 - 00:30:58:06
Unknown
I mean, I can't speak to the to the defense strategy. Right. But when didn't call to the witnesses and. Maybe there was a sense that that the best approach was to so discredit witnesses. I think we spent a lot of time talking about how race icon is not a trustworthy or reliable or credible witness.
00:30:59:00 - 00:31:24:10
Unknown
As with Mr. Low being and Mr. Not. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there was if they were doubling down on their strategy rather than you know, having to reopen the whole whatever Sylvia lim or as I'm saying and. All right. Yeah. That could be part of strategy or you know cynically they could just be thinking that what's the point of dragging it up further by dragging more, more of a senior card.
00:31:24:12 - 00:31:47:00
Unknown
It's almost one person. Take the take the hit. Yeah. And I mean, in some ways, Sylvia Lim and Faisal Manap, they haven't been tainted as much. Oh, yeah. Right. One trial. You did have to come in on this. Witness is actually cross-examined. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I, I kind of get where he's coming from. But I must say that.
00:31:47:00 - 00:32:11:20
Unknown
Right. Today was quite a he's dressed a bit differently from all the other times they appear in Parliament. Much like he was in his Workers Party like uniform that. Right. And everything. And you know I think quite a couple of members also came by that same thing in the future. You know a stronger sense of solidarity this time between him and his party people.
00:32:11:22 - 00:32:32:15
Unknown
But I mean, solidarity aside, do you think let's say you, he's, he's his PR or stylist. I'm saying he has a stylist, but he is his PR person. And this is Terrence. What should I wear to court today? Should I wear my suit? Or should I wear the blue? The Workers party blue? But PR is like the party PR that, right?
00:32:33:06 - 00:32:56:19
Unknown
Yalla. I think in this sense, if you. Depends on what you're expecting. Is the verdict. All right. If the idea of the of the after the verdict, you still want to appeal and assert your, your, you know, your disagreement with, with the verdict. Then maybe you need to, you know, have a stronger show of solidarity between you and Arteta.
00:32:56:24 - 00:33:17:16
Unknown
Right. To show that, you know, the party believes that this is the he's still the right man to be the. That's what you would tell him as the party PR consultant. That I think there needs to be a show of strength from the party. You know this is something is a setback for the party, but it doesn't mean that, you know, it doesn't mean it's not the end of the world.
00:33:18:11 - 00:33:39:23
Unknown
Need to show that is the you after that. Right. So that says I find it quite interesting the choice that he said to you know dress like that for you. Well it's such a, such a textbook diplomatic answer. So for me I would say that okay, the the verdict is not going to be in your favor.
00:33:40:00 - 00:34:04:17
Unknown
The sentencing is not going to be in your favor. In your favor. There are going to be a lot of people who might, be unhappy with this. So if you wear your party uniform, there will be a segment of the population that feel, oh, this opposition member is being vilified unfairly and is almost putting it out there, that this is someone from the opposition getting this amount of sentence.
00:34:04:21 - 00:34:33:24
Unknown
Yeah. And almost to, to kind of like stir up like it's unfair. Because if you wore a suit right. It's almost that, that okay. He's an individual. But in a blue. Right. He's the leader of the opposition. And you know that rhetoric that there's always the they are always fighting against the odds. I didn't getting a sentence in your opposition uniform kind of kind of like reinforces that that the odds are stacked against you.
00:34:34:01 - 00:35:02:23
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. Yeah. So would be the more, how you say, guerrilla or like, what's the word? Just more shit. I'm looking for a mercenary. Mercenary approach. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, yeah, just just to add on my earlier point. Right. It was when, the last time was, when I talked about his leadership style, I think you, you warned of opposition like Bono, right?
00:35:03:02 - 00:35:26:23
Unknown
Yeah. And then in that same state when he talked about the unity is the cornerstone of what this party says a lot, that the recent collective achievements involving not only candidates, but also volunteers and grassroots workers. So, you know, to candidates, we need to not only, not only a commitment to being a servant leader, we need from you not only a commitment to being a servant leader, but also big amounts of humility and self-awareness.
00:35:28:04 - 00:35:51:12
Unknown
So I think there was a very clear shot fired up. Right. And you can't it's not about you. Yeah. Special candidate. You know that are here because you're a special person. The party line. And then you know today is February 17th. Tomorrow you will have to go to Parliament and debate the budget. Yeah. Yeah. Right.
00:35:51:13 - 00:36:14:17
Unknown
Actually the budget I don't know what is going to be debated tomorrow. This is going to be presented. Yeah. Yeah. Well, but can you imagine you just going send turns, then you go to Parliament and face everyone. But that was the thing, right? The first deal of the trial. We will, he actually, he and his team, they've put over a couple of hours break it, then shut up.
00:36:14:22 - 00:36:31:07
Unknown
Parliament and then nothing. This is like something you would do in Chinese New Year. There was, like, biopolis for a while, but he went from trial to parliament and back to trial. Yeah. I guess what I'm seeing is that I think it's my understanding that the public was watching that. Right? Yeah. Like, what is it like in these?
00:36:31:07 - 00:36:54:02
Unknown
You need to show, regardless of what the verdict is, regardless of what I'm going through, this trial, these businesses usual, you know, going to with documents. So I get, I get where I get where is the PR coming from. The terms of it giving them to look like, you know, almost like, like they're wearing like what they usually wear out when they walk around in school.
00:36:54:04 - 00:37:11:01
Unknown
Yeah. Which I don't think did. They were headed for the state. The trial. Nor do I think the other, the other party members as well, or the one I think they. Yeah, but he was in a suit. Yeah. Well, you know, it's much more it seems like much more like, you know, he's. We caught him in the middle of a walk.
00:37:11:23 - 00:37:35:06
Unknown
Correct. Correct, correct. At least the one fell on the steps. Really? Yeah. No one fell on the steps. But, yeah, this is definitely going to be a developing case. Probably next few days. Next few weeks. I don't know what the timeline would be for the appeal. But, you know, given that the Electoral Boundaries Review Review Committee has been convened feels like it's just going to be in parallel.
00:37:35:08 - 00:38:03:05
Unknown
Everything okay? Well, Coming together. Yeah. But yeah, I mean. Yeah. So, you know, that's, that's what's happening in, in Portland. And what we talked about includes getting. An online space as well as, the accounts gathering a certain subreddit. And it all stemmed from this one article that seems to put this summer under the spotlight.
00:38:04:02 - 00:38:29:24
Unknown
Is this this article is article on The Straits Times, that it's titled Involuntarily Celibate inside the minds of, incels who blame women and society. So, I mean, if you are listening and have never heard the term before, it's actually been around for quite a while. And I think we have come across it as part of research, for shows that we have made in the past.
00:38:30:11 - 00:38:57:21
Unknown
But it started getting more and more mainstream attention because it is a very dark side of it. Basically, it is, this movement of men who are involuntarily celibate, which means they, they're not they're not getting, like, romantic relationships or sexual relationships from, women. And the idea that there's a lot of blaming of women and the system for making them celibate, not by their choice.
00:38:57:23 - 00:39:33:20
Unknown
Hence the term, and this article, the, the journalists, like, managed to get in touch with, self-proclaimed incels in from Singapore, or ex incels and just got their, their perspectives on things. So, so I mean, like, for example, there was this, one person in the, article that was kind of like, I mean, they use his real name, he works in education sector, says he identifies as an incel more because of his resignation towards his place in life rather than the community's hatred of women.
00:39:33:22 - 00:39:53:10
Unknown
And this next statement kind of sums up a lot of the the sentiment, like, my financial situation is involuntary, my looks are involuntary, and societal expectations are also imposed on upon me. I don't think I have a choice in this. So I mean, that's that's one of the beliefs of the whole incel movement. But why do you say that?
00:39:53:10 - 00:40:15:24
Unknown
It's like like causing a lot of chatter in the, in that subreddit. Yeah. So I, I when I read this article, I thought, okay, it's quite interesting that, Straits Times is writing about this insulting like, right. Because we've heard about it a lot in the US media. You know, there have been terrorist attacks or self-proclaimed insults on the US or I think Canada as well.
00:40:16:24 - 00:40:48:14
Unknown
But in Singapore, no one has really looked at it as a phenomenon. Yeah. So I mean, the, the journalist also, you know, talks about how, high profile social media personalities like Andrew Jordan and even Joe Rogan. All these millions by appealing the men who feel ignored or disenfranchized on mainstream culture. And they also bring up that, you know, parallel that, you know, in Singapore is really more in the online communities like Reddit forum Singapore roll.
00:40:50:04 - 00:41:10:19
Unknown
Play host rants that occur in the manosphere. And, and the third thing that I think that a lot of it's quite contentious is that they say that the ones in Singapore tend to be complaining about how national service favors women while disadvantaging men. The best years and the women today, the privileged gender, thanks to the women's chat.
00:41:11:16 - 00:41:43:20
Unknown
So that a lot of a lot of things to unpack there. But like when you read this article right. What what about it? You, resonated with you that you felt something to talk about? I mean, like, I mean, the values and the movement doesn't resonate with me. But I think it's one of those that, movements that I've been aware of for a long while, and you almost see it, rise in, in, how you see a presence across the world.
00:41:43:21 - 00:42:10:13
Unknown
I think most recently, something that went viral was after Trump got, elected and had very strong thoughts against, abortion. And there was one tweet by this American far right activist, that stated, your body might choice forever. And he identifies as an incel. It has it had more than 90 million views and was reposted over 35,000 times, which is a very scary, tweet.
00:42:11:00 - 00:42:42:08
Unknown
So, like like the reason why I thought this is important to talk about is because it is a movement that is there. It is a movement that is here in Singapore. We can't shy away from it. And it's important to understand what led to that. But also, I know one thing that was on Reddit that pissed off a lot of people, including we also feel a bit unfair that bucking that, that feeling that all noise takes away the prime years of a men's life is only for an incel sentiment.
00:42:42:10 - 00:43:03:14
Unknown
Yeah. So I mean, yeah, that plus, you know, fucking like Andrew deep followers of Jordan Peterson, followers of Joe Rubin. Yeah. And Jordan Peterson, some things he says makes a lot of sense. He talks about a lot of things. He's, you know, the, you know, the he's a psychology professor. Yeah, this is Andrew Tate.
00:43:03:15 - 00:43:27:20
Unknown
I've gotta get it right. He's made quite a number of blanket statements. And even I think, do we fail? So even the Singapore roll, subreddit. Who's pinned that in the same, in the same way as you do, as you do hotwire zoom for him. I think, somebody did. I do, I don't follow it and read do stuff when it's time to time.
00:43:27:20 - 00:43:52:07
Unknown
It's not all of them but incel kind of stuff that right. They talk a lot about politics but they also talk about other things happening in Singapore. Much more I would say much more non politically correct compared to the stuff you see on the Singapore subreddit. Yeah. Yeah. So quite sweeping generalizations that, that you know, sort of puts people under this incel umbrella.
00:43:52:15 - 00:44:14:10
Unknown
Like the moment you use one of these subreddits or the moment is a incel. So, you know, yeah, they literally said, like, individuals like Joe Rogan have gathered followings of millions by appealing to men who ignored, who feel ignored or disenfranchized by mainstream culture. Terrance, you feel ignored and disenfranchized. So I think it is, it's a bit of, there's no nuance in that a lot, right?
00:44:14:12 - 00:44:34:23
Unknown
Yeah. Puts these, people together. Of course, you can have your thoughts about how Joe Rogan has evolved. But there was a time when people listened to Joe Rogan because he seemed to be this very liberal progressive, you know, person who was open to listening to a lot of people's different opinions as well. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, he's I think his tech has changed over time.
00:44:34:23 - 00:44:55:17
Unknown
But but that doesn't mean that the people who listen do that. I know incels all right. Yeah. He supports Trump. Yeah. I mean, which is a pity, because the second half of the article where they actually show sentiments or talk about sentiments expressed by real life incels, is actually quite eye opening and is almost like the blanket statements at the start.
00:44:55:17 - 00:45:24:01
Unknown
Disregard the, the journalistic work that is apparent in the second left. And, I mean, I think it's also important to, to, to kind of, talk about how, okay, the incel movement, while is very dark and has some messed up sentiments, you can almost understand why men might gravitate towards it. And I'm speaking from my own experience because, you know, before I became the modern day Casanova that I am now.
00:45:24:14 - 00:45:50:24
Unknown
My dating life was it was bleak at times, like, you know, and like there was I mean, the internet was already there. And I found myself kind of like googling stuff, like, how do I get dates, how do blah, blah, blah. And the main thing that popped up, that was counter culture at that point in time was the pick up community, which was all about, you know, how you should like, neg people, which is where you complement but back handedly put them down and stuff.
00:45:50:24 - 00:46:13:18
Unknown
And it was really felt like, oh shit, there's a whole school of thought on how to, get dates and how to get relationships like which which was a bit kind of icky at some points, but it was there was that kind of literature, like, I think the incel woman had not, had not, stopped growing that fast at that point.
00:46:13:20 - 00:46:36:13
Unknown
But I didn't find myself like finding some solace in reading that kind of shit because it felt like, oh, there's a way, there's a way out of this, this bleakness. Yeah. So so that was that was my experience. You've been a Casanova all your life. After it's all over. How life does, the, gift, gift of the gambler,
00:46:37:13 - 00:47:05:02
Unknown
Yeah. The the, similar experiences having gone through the same schools. Yeah. Yeah. You know, there is, you can totally understand why these why these men who feel rejected by women or not able to date. Do you feel this way like like last time. Think 15 years ago it was about improving your game and, you know catching up with the people who knew how the system worked.
00:47:06:13 - 00:47:33:11
Unknown
In some ways. But is is a is a game of negativity. That right. Like trying to catch up with the game is to reject the game entirely as rigged. Call it out. Review itself meaning like like you know the matrix need to be rebuilding. You understand the reality of how life is actually. That's the concept that where you basically, you blame you blame women not right for in C feminism but for y y things like that.
00:47:34:14 - 00:47:54:04
Unknown
But now things in the, in some movement that, that even when you read it, no with the understanding that you get where they're coming from, there's stuff in there that is stranger. Right. That you wouldn't say is the right way to go first. Yeah. I mean like that one statement the guy said his financial situation is involuntary.
00:47:54:06 - 00:48:22:05
Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. Yes. I agree that life is not fair. Everybody's dealt with a deck, different deck of cards. I would say, yeah. Skin color. That one is involuntary. But financial situation. I do believe that you have some agency, right? So I was surprising to to see that sentiment. And then I think there's a lot of, like, heat in and kind of shitting on, on women or society, which feels like, well, even objectively.
00:48:22:05 - 00:48:43:00
Unknown
Right. No matter what you're feeling, this one, it just sounds very dangerous. Yeah, it sounds very dark. It sounds very morbid. It sounds very destructive. But, I mean, I think now, you know, people are more comfortable finding communities online, right? And this might be the darker side of, you know, I and I see it, okay.
00:48:43:02 - 00:49:05:06
Unknown
Because you don't know one, one narrative that that I also get annoyed by sometimes is if you are born as a minority, if your life is fuck, you know, don't don't even try because it's against you. Yeah. Which I mean, yes, there are some disadvantages if you are a minority, but if you go in with that belief, it's very toxic.
00:49:05:08 - 00:49:26:00
Unknown
And maybe last time you might have that sentiment. But when you're with friends or when there wasn't, the ease of finding communities that that reinforced that. Right. You're kind of forced to okay, maybe open your mind to other things. But now if you're having that sentiment that the game is rigged towards, males who can find dates, it's very easy to find these communities online.
00:49:26:02 - 00:49:48:10
Unknown
And that's where it gets a little dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. I mean, I you know, I think that's why I, I actually kind of appreciate that this article. Because we put forth very clearly how some of the almost like count. But what I also called it, which is not right, but almost contradictory, kind of opinions.
00:49:48:10 - 00:50:15:13
Unknown
And so several women in the world. Right. You know, the, the incels I think one the I about the academics that we interviewed for this, that say that, you know, incels believe they're entitled to sexual or romantic relationships with women. And we may not value only for serving these needs. However, incels believe that due to their physical appearance and low social status, their faith is that they will never be successful with be with them.
00:50:15:13 - 00:50:44:22
Unknown
Right. So basically what you have is a bunch of, you know angry men. And just commiserating about how the system is rigged against them and there's no hope for, for them not. Right. And there's never been like one of the chads that. Right. Think they think that those people who get the women other chats and, and if you're, if you're, and if you're anything about Chad, you have to settle for a woman who's like you know, for trial form and you will never get to meet online.
00:50:44:24 - 00:51:05:18
Unknown
Yeah. And yeah. But so it's a very they almost you you think that they are misogynistic in the way that the, the only look they value women only for their physical appearance, but actually they become very self judgmental about their own physical. To a point where I think, you know, the effects self esteem and it's a downward spiral.
00:51:06:03 - 00:51:23:22
Unknown
Because they just keep encouraging each other to be, to think like that, like in the forums and things. And I have gone on some of these forums and really read the things I see. They have a very to So the, the language that they use, what things like chat Becky Becky's alphas, betas and things like that.
00:51:24:00 - 00:51:43:09
Unknown
Right. Yeah. Makes you feel a part of it. Yeah. The reality of the world, right? Yeah. But you guys just a bunch of people, like, slowly spiraling into the, not good enough. Yeah, and people who don't want that, they leave. They they even if they try to argue with other people in the forum over time, it's just very draining and do leave.
00:51:43:12 - 00:52:09:11
Unknown
Right. People left out even more. More and more the echo chamber. So it's it's quite yeah. Quite a difficult thing to climb out of if you, if you start really getting into the, the literature. Yeah. And I mean I think it's important to understand the context you just shared because it's very easy to be like all these incels, right, are fucked up.
00:52:09:13 - 00:52:34:01
Unknown
You know what kind of fuck they deserve to rot. Because I see that on on Reddit also, like, deserve to rot in hell. But I think just like how I said that, during my dating times, I found myself gravitating to these communities that thankfully were not as toxic at all. It's almost like a downward spiral where the only thing involuntary is not the looks, is not the financial situation is the spiral downwards.
00:52:34:03 - 00:52:54:23
Unknown
And I think that is something that is almost is very easy to spiral downwards, especially with the ease of finding communities like this online. The fact that ya. If you're feeling shit misery loves company, right? You know, on a day to day basis, everybody has a proclamation to let you know gossip once in a while, right? Because it's nice to, you know, shit on other people.
00:52:55:00 - 00:53:23:03
Unknown
You combine all that, right is almost a, a suction force that pulls people down and then makes them like toxic love. But it feels more sad, if anything, that that these people are, falling down that path. So how do you as, like, you know, self-proclaimed almost. If you log on, though, I have to say that I was I was, like, looking for an answer.
00:53:23:05 - 00:53:52:14
Unknown
I was looking for an I was seeking validation. Okay. I wasn't that lucky. Yeah. Okay. So we were not. Yeah. Correct. Not a thought about dating the the prom queen. Yeah. I had never really the death smelling that perfume was like, okay, now don't sound like a Cleveland. You we we were both were never there.
00:53:52:16 - 00:54:19:00
Unknown
Yeah, but in your somewhere in your late 20s and early 30s, you also at the same time became like can possibly be if officially it's all is on record. We have video evidence for, like go back to oh, that's high praise steroids. Ministry of funny YouTube channel. Go through all of yours like more popular. The most popular early videos like 1320.
00:54:19:02 - 00:54:41:11
Unknown
Yeah. You'll see that. Yeah. Our resources, this is full element elements. Element, right. Singapore's number one. We got this, in the vein of, like, that's what we thought we'd do. Yeah, that's the kind of content we created that got us, big in the first place. Yeah. What what what led you, you know, to get out of the death spiral into becoming, like.
00:54:41:11 - 00:55:00:09
Unknown
You know what? We gotta follow it. So. Okay, so so I you don't get to to counter that, right? Like, yes, we did pick up videos, but, it wasn't the smooth kind of pick up. It was almost make such a fool of myself that there's something that clicked that I ended up getting, numbers, from girls on the street.
00:55:00:23 - 00:55:24:14
Unknown
I was into one thing that made that possible is we needed to make a video. I knew that making a bigger fool of myself would have a higher chance of being funny. And the intention? I had no expectations to ever get numbers, but it was almost. The circumstance forced me to just how you see, find something that, I don't know, kind of, resonated.
00:55:24:16 - 00:55:45:18
Unknown
So I was. It was purely luck. But I would say even before that, just just having friends, maybe difficulty in finding the more toxic communities. And, I mean, I won't deny that certain books I read like the game, the system, they were quite eye opening. The good thing is they were never like, let's kill women. It's all women's fault.
00:55:45:20 - 00:56:19:20
Unknown
It's more like how you can understand general social dynamics and understand that social interactions between meals and females are different because everybody grew up with different experiences, given their gender. So I had, I guess, a combination of many things. Yeah. One thing that I write that is that, when you think about, like, the life lessons, when, you know, in China, when people sort of, like, give up on, you know, pursuing material wealth, think because it's just too hot and it's, the system is rigged against you.
00:56:19:22 - 00:56:43:03
Unknown
Yeah. You think about it in something that's like a lie flat response to, Yeah. All right, well, I can't get into, you know, rather than thinking about how do I improve myself or my self esteem or what got do better and feel better. You know, such people confident is the opposite. Thinking that you'll never get the because of the stuff you're born with, because the system is rigged against you.
00:56:43:03 - 00:57:02:12
Unknown
And so rather than spend time trying to sort of like prove yourself. You know, just going from the zero of all the other undisciplined. Yeah. Yeah. That's just sounds so tragic as it is. That's why I but it's and you can't, you can't just dismiss it as like this online thing where young men are just like.
00:57:03:11 - 00:57:23:19
Unknown
They're literally people who self-identify as incels and carry out terrorist attacks. Yeah. Yeah. So it is a quite scary thing. Yeah. And I mean, if, if everybody thinks that what you're saying is like, That's impossible. You just ask yourself that. Probably some people that once in a while you hang out with where after you meet up with them, you just feel set.
00:57:23:21 - 00:57:40:04
Unknown
Yeah. You just feel like depressed. But, I mean, you still have that that maybe a friendship with them for a long time and a lot of friends that the people you meet, who you leave you like is shit. You know, anything is possible, you know? So. So if you imagine the people who drain you in a community of dead that sucks you in.
00:57:40:09 - 00:58:00:21
Unknown
It can happen to a lot of people. I think it can happen to a lot of people. Yeah. So actually, we we haven't even talked about, like, the idea of National service. Oh, yeah. That's true. That, you know, this article seems to allege that, incels are the ones who get the ball. Yeah. What what do you think of that?
00:58:00:23 - 00:58:24:07
Unknown
I mean, they're also a bit, a bit of a stretch because as a guy who's done NS and seen my female peers, I'll start work early. Of course, there is a sentiment that a Should women also. So Venus should be shorter. Does that make me an incel? Somehow I listen to Jorgen Jorgen, plus Jordan Peterson. Plus I'm fucking hardcore incel already, which I feel is a bit of a stretch for you.
00:58:24:09 - 00:58:53:09
Unknown
Yeah, the the whole and this discussion, I think that's more of a policy discussion. Right? Yeah. And just because you disagree with something and it's a policy doesn't necessarily make you an insult, right? Yeah. In fact, even aware self aware that women's organization advocate for women. Yeah. That's not right. But these these ideas don't seem to hold what the seriously discussing policy by this lot.
00:58:53:09 - 00:59:21:24
Unknown
Right. So I think that's where some of the anger online is coming from on that. Just because I, I have certain views but there's also it doesn't mean that I mean so right. Whereas this article seems to correlate. Yeah. Or the Inquisition. Right. Yeah. If you are talking about this as a, if you are ranting about National Service and, you know, women's, the fact we were doing the initial service means that you need to be in, in something, you know, in Singapore.
00:59:22:01 - 00:59:44:24
Unknown
Yeah, exactly. Which pisses me off because in fact, it might push people towards, like, being even angrier with the system. Right? Yeah. Because, oh, now you're labeling me as an insult just because I, I have disagreements about all the services. Yeah. So that's why I felt, I felt that it's not very productive. It's counterproductive. Like that's why they would have a debate.
00:59:45:01 - 01:00:08:17
Unknown
But maybe it's also that. Oh the first part, let's make it clickbaity and like triggering. So you rope people in and then you read the second butler which is eye opening. But that's it. I will tell you that when you read Singapore wrong. There's a lot of criticism of, of national service. Right. The thing is, I've never equated it directly to that, that this person must be an insult.
01:00:09:20 - 01:00:29:13
Unknown
And even a man who has a family and you know, kids and everything could also have these thoughts about National service. And it's not a, it's not having a debate about it as a media itself. Yeah. I think like the very clear. Say for example, expecting that it has been should be paid more while they're serving National service.
01:00:29:13 - 01:00:48:00
Unknown
Right. Let's bring them in line of like what, what I want these conscripts are being paid. Right. Be more. So I think these are methods of policy and not so much about that. They have that it's also right. Yeah that's true. That's true. So I mean it's still worth a read. I'm glad they didn't put it behind a paywall.
01:00:48:02 - 01:01:18:02
Unknown
Yeah, right. But is worth the read and worth kind of understanding that there are sentiments like that. There are movements out there. And yes, it's very easy to vilify people from that, that movement. But I think just thinking about the broader reasons that let them there, right is important. So what is your putting to to people who want to get all their Spyro beaten so they do not necessarily be, an accomplished goddess point where they're happier in life and able to do what they want.
01:01:18:03 - 01:01:42:01
Unknown
I don't know, I mean, I read it a best place to even, suggest that, I mean, I think just like, just just like have, have try to surround yourself with people with good people who provide other opinions. Yeah. Yeah, I guess I mean, exercise. Yeah. Like, I feel like a a life coach today, which I don't want to.
01:01:42:06 - 01:02:05:11
Unknown
I don't want to claim that I have everything figured out. So. Yeah, just get off line and get out of the comfort zone. Yeah. Maybe, get on closer. It's very easy to find, you know, groups and then go into this spiral and reading and validating your feelings of of being infected and all that. Yeah.
01:02:05:13 - 01:02:23:23
Unknown
You just go out there and then. Yeah, you don't have to be dating. Just can just be out there pursuing a hobby or being a spot or working on something, or meeting. Or something like that. All right. It might, it might help to change your perspective or about things it's all about. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you I don't get to read stuff in this business.
01:02:24:09 - 01:02:40:18
Unknown
What what was being said on. Yeah I maybe yeah. Realize it. Okay. It might, it might make sense to you. It might make you feel better in the short term, but it's like eating unhealthy food. You know, you might feel good in the short term, but just take a step back and realize, oh shit, maybe there's another way to do another thing to eat.
01:02:40:20 - 01:03:04:14
Unknown
I think the Ila, but yeah, I mean it from, shut up dance. But we'll put links to those videos, very, very fun. I was even. With a camera and listening to the conversation. Maybe even more truly, at least I can see, you know, I got I got numbers, you know, obviously, there was what you were watching me.
01:03:04:16 - 01:03:32:00
Unknown
You were watching and recording. Gave me the thumbs up after that. Oh, man. Good times, man. Good times. But. Yeah, man. Cool. You know, it's been a while since we talked about this, but what is your what's your comment? Yeah. So, so, I mean, it's from the the episode, 618. Is Ryan's home detention sparks debate and cool place.
01:03:32:14 - 01:04:00:18
Unknown
Music, music video. I mean, just like, I guess, I think, like, available underscore 89766 on Reddit, kind of pointed out that ya like the, whether or not it's warrants home detention, is something that the public agrees with. They'll probably be some impact during the elections. There probably be some questions.
01:04:01:09 - 01:04:19:16
Unknown
And the perception of popular and whether or not that's been affected, I think is hard to say because I know some people really don't see problem with it. Some people do. But, yeah. Good to know that people are thinking about it in the context of elections also, because you can't run away from it. Yeah. What would you mean?
01:04:20:05 - 01:04:40:01
Unknown
Mine was. Yeah. The, comments on the last episode, 619 about other other the military show showing you talked about it. Yeah. From on Reddit. Singaporeans, I really wanted to love this episode because I'm a father of kids myself. Larry. I do feel the episode was a bit overly Rossini's assessment and outlook on the state of parenting in Singapore.
01:04:40:10 - 01:05:08:23
Unknown
You know, it is an explosive episode. The main thing which wasn't quite sufficiently covered, is the struggle against the juvenile. But fathers need to do what. And you need to leave work early again. There is the double whammy of expectations against more than that, where the just one expectation that you need to contribute more than the fathers of previous generations, but to the present that fathers tend to face in traditional settings when dads are supposed to be first and foremost breadwinners.
01:05:08:24 - 01:05:28:09
Unknown
How do we navigate these waters of compromise generally needs to be met. You know, we decide that's a nobody, but you can make the choice. I mean admittedly this is something people I think a lot of modern parents think about. Right. Yeah. Yeah. And we mean we didn't have the time to also talk about that in the episode for sure.
01:05:28:11 - 01:06:01:13
Unknown
Right. Yeah. I mean as we look for we do need to start a fatherhood podcast of, fatherhood podcasts. Former. You know, almost insults then happy. That's that's this is a new report guzzler from Intel to that. Oh, man. But. Yeah. And what about your one shot thing, man? My one show.
01:06:01:19 - 01:06:26:01
Unknown
You want me to, Yeah. So, I mean, there was, podcast that I, I mean, a YouTube video that I recently came across that, is from a channel that I never knew existed. There was this interview with the Nvidia CEO, Jensen Huang, by someone called Cleo Abraham. Which I bookmark. I haven't, I haven't watched it yet, but I went I went to a channel, right.
01:06:26:02 - 01:06:45:20
Unknown
I was like, oh shit. She has 5.19 million subscribers. And I was like, who is this person? So she used to be a video producer at Vox. And she was a director for explained on Netflix, which I think was a Vox show. And then she just wanted to start a YouTube channel, that showcases the optimistic side of tech.
01:06:45:22 - 01:07:07:06
Unknown
So what she calls is like video journalist making optimistic tech explainers. And the channel is called huge. The podcast is called huge, if true. Yeah. So I was like, oh, shit. Actually, the videos are very engaging because she, she does like, you know what dinosaurs were really like, and, why the Olympics almost banned issues.
01:07:07:06 - 01:07:26:10
Unknown
So do sort of explainer videos, but very engaging. And then you realize, oh, actually, Fox has always made great content and talented people like I have branched out to do something on their own. Then I was like, hey, that's cool. And I mean, she has access to to people like Marcus Brownlee, from Mkbhd, Jensen Huang from Nvidia, Boston Dynamics.
01:07:26:19 - 01:07:51:05
Unknown
I guess being a tech journalist, gives you those, those, those leads. Yeah. So quite interesting, like quite interesting. Yeah. Cleo Abraham, what about you, man? Mine was, actually, it's a very Singapore thing. Singapore was like, you know, probably best female football player. And she's playing for Brisbane Roar.
01:07:51:21 - 01:08:14:13
Unknown
Australia. So I've been trying to follow her career in, in at least student Brisbane. Right. She joined the club and then unfortunately she got injured for the first couple of months of the season. Recently she made a comeback, you know, to the squad. But, admittedly, when I try to watch the matches in the highlights, I don't see her being selected very often.
01:08:15:07 - 01:08:38:19
Unknown
The first team or the or the substitutes. But the most recent match that they had, she actually scored a goal. I mean in you know in a match where she supposedly Scotland window right in the 90th minute. And it was quite nice school in the sense that, you know, it was in the then she handed it over the keeper, you know.
01:08:38:21 - 01:09:02:02
Unknown
So, I was happy for her, but then, ultimately, the goal was ruled offside. Oh. Subsequently. So. But it was just nice to actually finally see her playing in the actual game and, you know, coming close to scoring a goal. You know, it's not the typical just just hope for the goalkeeper to be a very, positive like.
01:09:02:04 - 01:09:23:09
Unknown
Oh, well. It's cooler. So, I hope she gets more playing time. Yeah, because she's still very young. Right? Like 20 or 21 or something new or solid. Gives us something at least like other leagues to watch. And you see the highlights on YouTube. Is it, they stream every match? I think the A-league's, women's, Championship is streaming.
01:09:23:11 - 01:09:42:14
Unknown
I suggest you go check out the highlights for this. For this game. Oh. Cool. Man. But, yeah, that's all for for today. Definitely going to be an exciting few weeks. Remember our live show on March 6th? Tickets will be going to live in the coming days. We will update on this podcast and on our social media.
01:09:42:16 - 01:09:58:23
Unknown
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