The GEO Show

Welcome to Episode 4 of The GEO Show, where we break down the biggest developments in Generative Engine Optimization (GEO), AI search, and the rapidly changing world of SEO.

In this episode, Paris Childress, founder of Hop AI and co-founder of GEOforge, runs through eight stories reshaping AI search this week, including new data on why ranking #1 on Google no longer guarantees you an AI citation.

In this episode:

๐Ÿ”˜ Google launches a user-controlled "Preferred Sources" button Google's new embeddable button, live since August 20, lets readers select a site as a preferred source, making it easier for that site to surface in Top Stories, AI Overviews, and AI Mode. More than 600,000 sources have already been selected. Adding this button to your blog is close to a no-brainer.

๐Ÿ†“ Llumo undercuts the AI-visibility tracking market with a free tier Llumo launched August 20 with free AI visibility software using a bring-your-own-API-key model, tracking mentions, competitors, citations, prompt responses, query fan-out, sentiment, and share of voice across ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity, Copilot, AI Mode, and AI Overviews. Basic prompt and citation monitoring is now a commodity; differentiation has 
to come from what's built on top of it.

๐ŸŽฅ Creator marketing budgets start chasing AI citations Digiday reports Zoom and agencies including Trevant and Crispin are auditing which creators get LLM citations and using that data to choose who they work with. GEO is now influencing influencer selection, not just distribution.

๐Ÿ“ฑ Google AI Overviews pull social posts at real scale A BrightEdge study of 300+ million monthly US searches found Facebook cited 19.5 million times in AI Overviews, Instagram roughly 877,000 times, and TikTok 78,000 times. Exact answer relevance is beating follower size, and long-tail social posts are becoming part of the retrieval layer, not just a distribution channel.

๐Ÿ“‹ Your own "best tools" listicle can promote your competitor Search Engine Journal and Ahrefs tracked 9,886 AI answers across 34 self-promotional listicles. AI systems frequently used the list as a source without recommending its publisher, and in one case a competing conference got recommended in 43% of answers pulling from Ahrefs' own listicle. Listicles are also declining as a share of total citations.

๐Ÿ“Š A blended AI visibility score is nearly meaningless Fractal ran 96 prompts 15 times each across ChatGPT, Gemini, and Claude, generating 4,320 responses and 8,500+ brand references. Only 11% of brands appeared across all three models; 77% appeared in only one. Report AI visibility by platform, not as one blended number.

๐Ÿ•ท๏ธ European sites are paying a much higher AI scraping tax Tollbit analyzed AI bots from 40 vendors across 3,906 publishers and found European sites getting scraped 4x more than North American sites, with the scrape-to-referral ratio worsening from 150:1 in Q1 to 227:1 in Q2. Crawler volume is a poor proxy for AI-referred traffic, and it's getting worse.

๐ŸŽฏ Ranking #1 on Google no longer guarantees an AI citation Ahrefs analyzed 1.4 million ChatGPT prompts and found only 38% of AI Overview-cited URLs ranked top 10 for their original query, down from 76% a year ago. You still need to be indexed and competitively ranked, but query fan-out now goes well past page one, so expanding topic coverage matters more than chasing the #1 spot.
Subscribe to The GEO Show for ongoing analysis of the news, experiments, strategies, and emerging tactics shaping visibility across ChatGPT, Google AI, Perplexity, Claude, and the rest of the AI search ecosystem.

๐Ÿ’ฌ Question: If you're still reporting rank position as your main AI-visibility metric, what would you actually see if you measured citation rate instead?

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All things Generative Engine Optimization (GEO). A breakdown of all that's happening in the world of AI search.

Hi, and welcome back to The GEO Show.

This is episode four, and let's get
right into the top stories for today.

First, we have Google just created
a user-controlled visibility

signal inside AI search.

Google has launched something
called an embeddable preferred

sources button on August twentieth.

So readers who select the site via this
button can then find it more easily in

top stories, AI overviews, and AI mode.

More than six hundred thousand unique
sources have already been selected.

Publishers can promote the
selection via the selection link,

via email, or through social.

So this is a very interesting development.

There is now a CTA button that
allows any user to select a site as

a preferred sources site, and I think
this is a very good practice to put

on your blogs, starting with that.

And what that will do is, uh, create
a preference for users to start to

see your pages more in citations,
in AI overviews, and AI mode.

So to me, that is kind of a no-brainer.

I think it, it can only help.

Moving along to the next story, a new
AI entrant is attacking the price of

GEO monitoring, and this entrant is
called Lumo, and that's with a double L.

Double L-U-M-O.

They launched August twentieth with
free AI visibility software using

a bring your own API key model.

It tracks mentions, competitors,
citations, prompt responses, query

fan-out, sentiment, and share a voice
across ChatGPT, Gemini, Perplexity,

Copilot, AI mode, and AI overviews.

So- Yet another competitor has joined
this already very crowded category,

and they're offering a free product.

So I think this was a matter of
time before we started to see the

reporting-only layer of this new
tool category, uh, AEO or GEO, uh,

AI visibility tools, let's call them.

Uh, but now there's a free layer,
so this is really becoming more

and more commoditized by the day.

Uh, basic prompt and citation
monitoring, um, effectively is,

is already a commodity game.

And then the, the goal is for the
existing players of the category to, to

go up the stack and to offer something
more, to offer some differentiation.

So this could be content
creation and/or content strategy.

It could have something to do with
citation building, or it could be

deeper analysis, uh, broader analysis
that encompasses SEO along with GEO.

So I think this is a very, very
fast-changing software category,

and it's very interesting to watch.

One of the things that we decided
with GEOForge from the very beginning

was that we would have a competitive
analytics AI visibility tracking

module, which we called SignalForge.

But that the real alpha, the value
add above that would be ContentForge,

which produces content that is
grounded in a proprietary knowledge

base, and also SiteForge, which allows
users to organize citation building

opportunities and take direct action on
them directly inside of the platform.

So differentiation is key in this
now hyper-competitive category

of AI search visibility tools.

Moving on to the next story.

Creator marketing is officially
entering GEO budgets.

Digiday reports that Zoom and
multiple agencies are experimenting

with creator campaigns specifically
to influence AI visibility.

Agencies including Trevant and
Crispin are auditing which creators

and content receive large language
model citations and then using that

data in their creator selection.

So that is pretty fascinating because now
GEO is starting to influence influencer

marketing itself, and influencers
are being selected in part based

on criteria around their citations.

So I imagine a new workflow being
that you would, uh, engage in a

trial with an influencer, and if that
influencer's content, uh, of course,

you wanna look at its distribution, its
reach, its conversions, and its ROI.

But separately now, there are new
judgment criteria around, uh, the

degree of citation surface area that
that influencer's content may have.

So GEO budgets are now overlapping
with influencer marketing, and GEO is

now influencing influencer selection
within influencer marketing.

Next story.

Google AI Overviews are pulling social
content now at meaningful scale.

This is a study from BrightEdge, which
analyzed more than three hundred million

monthly US searches and found Facebook
cited nineteen point five million times

in AI Overviews, Instagram roughly eight
hundred and seventy-seven thousand times,

and TikTok seventy-eight thousand times.

So interestingly, um, Facebook is
overwhelmingly number one, about, uh,

ten x or twenty x larger than Instagram
at number two, which is also ten x

larger than TikTok at number three.

Uh, regardless, this analysis
argues that exact answer relevance

matters more than follower size.

So apparently what they're seeing here
is That long-tail social media posts,

not only from mega-influencers, uh, but
regular long-tail social media posts from

users that don't have huge followings
but that have very, very hyper-relevant

posts are starting to appear now within
AI overviews at some significant scale.

So, uh, what this is suggesting
to me is that social posts are

increasingly part of the retrieval
layer in GEO, not just distribution.

So we've for a while thought about
social media as a way to distribute

repurposed content that initially gets
created and optimized for SEO and GEO.

So an example would be that you have
an optimized blog post that gets

repurposed, let's say, into a video,
and then that video gets published on

YouTube, Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc.

And that is a distribution strategy.

But now, as we see more of these social
media assets appearing in AI overviews,

and these are not only YouTube, which
of course dominates, but also now

Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, then
it becomes also a retrieval layer

in addition to a distribution game.

So what does that mean for video creators?

Uh, LinkedIn video community content,
this should contain concrete facts,

explanations, benchmarks, and
technical answers that can stand

alone when they're retrieved by AI.

So that actually suggests a slightly
different approach in creating those

videos because you think of them as
not only distribution assets, but as

citation sources that need to stand
on their own, let's say, in a, in a s-

list of sources within an LLM response.

All right, moving on to the
next story This is about

listicles, my favorite topic.

Uh, writing your own best tools article
or listicle can actually help your

competitor more than it helps you.

And this is analysis coming from
Search Engine Journal and Ahrefs.

Ahrefs published thirty-four
self-promotional listicles across five

domains, and they tracked nine thousand
eight hundred and eighty-six AI answers.

And what they saw was AI systems
frequently used the list as a source

without recommending its publisher.

And in one experiment that
promotes Ahrefs' own conference, a

competing event was recommended in
forty-three percent of the answers.

So one of the most popular tactics now
for citation building, and especially

within SaaS and software, is the listicle.

You create a best ten XYZ tools
for fill in the blank, and

you put yourself in that list.

Often, you put your own brand
number one in your own listicle.

And these have tended to perform
pretty well and get picked up

well, uh, by LLMs and displayed
well in LLM citation sources.

Um, but what we're seeing is that this
doesn't always show your brand in the

best light because AI can take that same
list and recommend your competitors over

you, uh, using your list as a source, but
then, uh, not actually citing that source.

So you really don't get any
of the va-- the intended value

there that you hoped for.

And I have also seen recently
that listicles as a share of

total citations is now declining.

So apparently, ChatGPT and others
have started to see this as a

quasi-manipulative way to, to just get
more mentions of your brand on the web.

All right, moving on to the next story.

AI visibility looks increasingly
meaningless as a single blended KPI.

A company called Fractal ran ninety-six
prompts fifteen times each across

ChatGPT Four Oh, Gemini Two Point Five
Flash, and Claude Sonnet Four Point Six,

generating four thousand three hundred
and twenty responses and eight thousand

five hundred plus brand references.

What they found was that
only eleven percent of brands

appeared across all three models.

Seventy-seven percent
appeared only in one.

And this is something that I have long
suspected and we're, we're steadily

seeing more and more evidence, which
is that a blended share of voice

across models is really meaningless
when your share of voice differs so

drastically across the different models.

And we now have enough evidence within
GEOforge to see dramatic differences

in your mention rate and your citation
rate within, let's say, ChatGPT versus

Google AI Overviews or Google AI Mode.

What we have seen is that there
is a pretty high correlation of

citations and sources between Google
AI Mode and AI Overviews, but that

we see very little correlation or
similarity in brand visibility across

ChatGPT and Google's AI properties.

And when you add in Claude and
Perplexity and other models,

I think it gets even muddier.

So really the right way and the best
way to report on AI visibility and

share a voice is at the platform
level, and I really do believe this.

You, you have to dig in and find,
uh, the devil in the details rather

than making any concl-- broad
conclusions about a blended KPI

or a blended AI visibility KPI.

All right, moving on to the next story.

European sites may be paying a much
higher AI scraping tax Uh, Tolbit

analyzed AI bots from forty vendors
across three thousand nine hundred and

six publishers, and they found median
scraping on European sites was four

times higher than North American sites,
with one human AI referral per one

hundred and seventy-nine bot visits.

So just let that sink in.

One human AI referral for every
hundred and seventy-nine bot visits.

As European scrape-to-referral ratio
worsened from a hundred and fifty

in Q1 of this year to two hundred
and twenty-seven to one in Q2.

So this ratio, it's
scrape-to-referral ratio.

It means how many pages does an AI bot
scrape relative to how much referral

traffic, human referral traffic that it
delivers to that brand, to that website.

So it, it, it got almost two times worse
in one quarter from a hundred and fifty

to one, meaning a hundred and fifty
scrapes per one AI-referred visit to two

hundred and twenty-seven to one in Q2.

That's just, uh, you know,
phenomenal to see, and I think that

is not gonna reverse anytime soon.

So what does this say?

Uh, one-- for one, that crawler
volume alone is really a terrible GEO

success metric because crawler volume
is far surpassing and growing much

faster than AI-referred human traffic.

So if your primary GEO success metric is
the traffic that you're getting referred

from AI responses, LLM responses, um,
don't look at crawler volume as a proxy

or a predictor for that, uh, because
it's just growing much, much faster than

those referred, those referred visits.

And that's particularly the case for
European sites Uh, that had a four

times higher, uh, crawl-to-visit ratio
than the North American counterparts.

I have no idea why Europe
gets crawled so much more.

Uh, it could have to
do with, with privacy.

Um, that's just, uh, a wild
guess on my part, though.

All right, let's move on to
the last story of the day.

New data reconciles that SEO
still matters, with ranking

number one isn't enough.

So, uh, let's, let's unpack this.

Ahrefs analyzed one point four million
ChatGPT prompts, and they attributed

eighty-eight point four six percent of
the citations to the general search index.

So they took all the citations, and they
wanted to see basically, uh, where they

are ranking for equivalent searches.

Uh, what they found was that across
eight hundred and sixty-three thousand

of the total one point four million
Google result pages and, uhรขย€ยฆ

Sorry, let me, let me repeat that.

Across eight hundred and sixty-three
thousand Google result pages and

four million AI overview citations,
only about thirty-eight percent of

cited URLs ranked top ten for the
original query, and that is down from

seventy-six percent a year earlier.

So let me, let me try to
explain that in simple terms.

AI overview citations only ranked in
classic search results thirty-eight

percent of the time in the top ten.

And a year ago, they ranked
seventy-six percent of the time

they ranked in the top ten results.

So this is a divergence of
AI overview-- Uh, I'm sorry.

Of, yes, AI overview
citations and search queries.

So that means that it no longer really
matters to rank on the first page of

Google if your goal is to maximize
your citations within AI overviews,

because the query fan-out process
can go much deeper than page one.

Uh, you still definitely need
to get indexed, and you need

to be competitively ranked.

I'd say you just probably should still be
ranked on the first two or three pages.

But being ranked on page one is not the
end-all, be-all, uh, like it used to be in

SEO, because basically only thirty-eight
percent of those citations are ranked

in the top ten for their original query.

So keep those strong SEO fundamentals
because you still need to get indexed

so that the search retrieval process
can find you in-- when it goes out

and does that real-time search.

Um, but also expand your topic
coverage around the evidence questions

that AI systems will fan out into.

All right, that's a wrap for today.

Uh, we got through eight big stories, and
we'll see you next time on episode five.

Thanks for listening.