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The environment around us is a swirling vortex of chaos, but you can navigate it when you have an anchor that can keep you steady. Each episode, Liz Herl dives into data driven strategies and real world tactics with Dr. Tim Caldwell to help you become more grounded and centered in a world that is constantly shifting and changing. Learn to effectively navigate family strife, career challenges and handle the anxiety of the unknown that the news is constantly bombarding us with. Liz is a Licensed Clinical Marriage and Family Therapist and Dr. Caldwell is a retired primary care physician and personal trainer. You can lean on their decades of experience to find stability and peace without having to control circumstances or people around you. You can be anchored in chaos.
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Liz Herl: [00:00:00] Hello everyone. Welcome tanked in Chaos Podcast. Today we have a really special guest, Caleb with the Body Shop in Kansas City,
Tim Caldwell: We kind of missed the opportunity to introduce him to you earlier, so we're doing this now. But we wanna let you know that we had a chance to talk to Caleb about a little bit about his gym, the inspiration for his business models and some of the myths, the things that get cleared up over, training and fitness and those things that need to motivate us [00:01:00] and we had a great opportunity and we hope you enjoy the show.
Liz Herl: So like, share us a little bit about your bio, like who you are, you got a family, tell us about your life. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. So, you know, my name's Caleb Wright. Thir, well, 34 now. Holy crap. I have two kids. My son will be eight here in June, and my daughter will be two in August. My wife and I will be married five years in a couple months, but 10 years together this year.
I have two gyms.
I have a successful online coaching business that I also operate.
That's kind of how the gyms got started was my PT business has kind of gone from in-person to online over the years. And that's about it. I work a lot, I try to spend as much time with my family as I can, but, I think being an entrepreneur, the thing we work so hard for is the thing that kind of suffers the most.
You know, you work hard for your family, but then your family suffers 'cause you're gone working. So, you know, it's kind of hard to find a balance.
Liz Herl: Well, we definitely had the opportunity. We've been to your gym twice now and that's where we had the opportunity to meet you and your beautiful wife and your [00:02:00] adorable little girl.
She's so sweet.
Caleb Wright: She, my wife is way hotter than me, for sure. She settled.
Liz Herl: Well, I can't disagree 'cause she's amazing. I watch her videos all the time.
Tim Caldwell: yeah.
Liz Herl: And I just to kind of shout out to Tatiana here because her, she's a beautiful, humble part about like the journey of a woman when she's, trying to train. And that really speaks to me as a woman, like, because it's not that simple, especially being a mom. I have up, course my children are older, but I love her kind of sharing that balance of how you do that. And I love where she was. She's trying to work out and her daughter's coming over and it's the pull mom guilt part.
I'm like, oh my gosh. It's so, it's relatable. So it definitely a shout out to her and all of her good work she does
Caleb Wright: yeah. No, she crushes it, you know what I mean? And, and it's hard, right? And know, it's like I. I would say I'm kind of selfish and I'm probably not the best spouse because like, my, my, my training schedule, it's kind of in the calendar, you know, Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday. My training partner and I, we get after it and it, it's kind of hard because [00:03:00] I don't say my training indirectly like, makes us money, but like a lot of the reason of the life we have is because of my training.
You know what I mean? And it's like
with what I do, yeah, with what I do, it's like the better shape I'm in my businesses directly
Tim Caldwell: that's right. what I
Caleb Wright: I'm, if I'm fat and outta shape, why does someone wanna hire me to tell them how to get in shape? You know what I mean?
Tim Caldwell: Preach. Right. So that's, that's my whole point is I've had directors positions. I've been the top trainer in some big cities. I'm not gonna hire anybody who's not fit. Gonna get my. I'm not gonna get my teeth fixed by a guy with no teeth. Right. Who, I need a guy or a girl who's, you don't have to have all the answers, but you, you need to be, you need to be teachable.
They need to be,
and you need to have the ability to teach. Right. You can't just, you can't roll your eyes and say, I've told you a hundred times. You're gonna tell 'em 102,000 times before they'll
catch up. But you need to
Caleb Wright: Well, you know, what do they say? Like, never trust a skinny chef.
Tim Caldwell: That's Right. That's right.
Caleb Wright: I think once you build up a, a roster or a body of work, you know, like The [00:04:00] top trainers now, they're not all in crazy good shape, it's like they've had their time in the sun.
But, you know, I try to spend my wife the best she can, if she wants to squeeze the workout in, we'll get a workout in. And she's not really into training as much as I am. She doesn't wanna compete. She just wants to look good, feel good,
Tim Caldwell: But still trains, I trains with purpose. Yeah. Trains with purpose.
Caleb Wright: Yeah.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. The, you know,
Caleb Wright: it's like she'll, she'll get her workouts in when she wants. You know, we try to schedule around it and then she'll do some yoga and stuff in our basement, and when we just
do what we can.
Tim Caldwell: My aspect, even the philosophy that carries into the gym is I don't have to train everybody like a bodybuilder. If you want to be strong, great, we'll be strong. I need you to be functional. And it's nice to have an aesthetic appeal, right? You need to look good in clothes
and outta clothes. And can you put on your shoe without your head blowing up? Are you gonna blow out your back taking out the trash? We can't have that.
We can't. My, my average age is well into the sixties.
And my clientele, it's 'cause I, I'm in my sixties and I want my people to be functional.
You need to be able to get up. Mm-hmm. Get off the toilet, get out of [00:05:00] bed, get outta a car.
Caleb Wright: I saw a stat, 75% of people who get admitted into nursing homes or, I don't know what all the terminology you wanna use is 'cause they can't get up off the toilet, you know what I mean? So that means they lack the ability to do half a rep of their body weight.
And that all just comes back to weight training. You know what I mean? It goes away.
Tim Caldwell: it does mm-hmm. Functional fitness is, you know, I actually have this, I have a routine. I need to have people get off the floor. I'll have them get on the floor and get up.
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Liz and I went to a kaizen training. Adaptive training. Adaptive training, it's challenging. It's for people who've been blown up, or amputees, or paralytic paraplegic. I don't know if you've ever tried this, but if you're right-handed, just do everything with your left hand.
Yeah. Now, now do a burpee with one hand.
Liz Herl: It was incredible to do, to get up off the floor and do a burpee. It was really educational and humbling.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, nothing like that. But I got in a really bad car wreck when I was younger and almost died. And my hand was, my left hand was in a cast for months. And I didn't have my use of my [00:06:00] thumb and I didn't realize how much, just like, trying to go to the bathroom, you know what I mean?
Because I could've unbuttoned my pants or button it back up or opened anything.
Yeah, it was a challenge, you know what I'm saying?
Tim Caldwell: But again, it shows you how adaptable your body is. I I knew a bartender that only had a pinking, a thumb, and a waitress that only had this much of her arm. But God,
they were. They're amazing. If you got something that's mine, mind ideas, if you've had something that's worked before, we can make it work again.
Right. That's, we just gotta learn how, what do you got, Liz?
Liz Herl: Well, I think you kind of went over your philosophy and mission of your gym as to what it is that you're trying to drive home here is healthy living, healthy, movement, everything that we need to do to remain mobile and, and engaging with one another and
Caleb Wright: yeah. It's working hard. I think first and foremost, I'm a big, big believer in hard work and just putting in effort you know, nothing's given to us. It's just one thing I really try to drive home with my son is that, dude, you gotta earn it, man.
Liz Herl: I love
Caleb Wright: just gonna be given to you. Like, I don't let him, like, [00:07:00] sometimes I let him win, right?
But like, I don't, I'm not just gonna let him win. Like, you need to earn it.
And that may sound like brutal, but like, I really don't care.
Caleb Wright: life's hard.
You know? Life will punch you in the face and then kick you in the face when you're on the ground.
So I think it's just about effort, intensity.
I. Being relentless. And just trying to be fit at, you know, I don't, I don't wanna say fit at any weight, right? 'cause I'm not really into like the body positivity area because it's like, there are times where it's like, dude, it's just not healthy. But it's like, are you trying to improve yourself?
Are you trying to be better? Are you trying to get up off the couch? Are you trying to squat 500 pounds? It doesn't matter if you're one extreme or the other in between. Like this is a place that you can come in and you can be supported.
And we can help you achieve that. And then, you know, how much can we give back to the community?
One thing that my team and I are gonna start at least twice a year is we're gonna start volunteering. Whether that's at the animal shelter, whether that's at a food bank I'm really interested in getting [00:08:00] into like, domestic abuse groups and maybe trying to
volunteer there, you know, what can we give back to the community because we only are what we are because of the community.
I wanna make a lot of money one day for myself, but it's like, I wanna make a lot of money because of the more money I have, the more I can help
Liz Herl: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.
Caleb Wright: So it's like, what can we give back?
Liz Herl: that's exactly right. And one of our things that we talk about is we both believe that we are supposed to be in service to one another. Mm-hmm. And how are we doing that As positive as, as possible. That's exactly why we're here.
Yeah. Can I, I'm just curious not to segue, what is it about domestic violence that seems a little bit more you know, guess in, I'd say,
Tim Caldwell: why does that stand out to you?
Liz Herl: Yeah. Why does that stand out to you?
Caleb Wright: Yeah. I'm gonna try not to get vulgar here 'cause it gets me angry. Man, just the lack of masculinity in society pisses me off. Like to lay your hands on a woman, I. You're, yeah, you're just, I'm not even gonna say the names. You're just a piece of work, man. To think you're, that's a man. It's like, to be a man, you need to control your [00:09:00] emotions.
You need to take care of your, your problems, your issues. Like you get yourself in a situation, get yourself out of it. And I think, you know, and, and I'm not saying like all women are also immune. You know what I mean? I,
Liz Herl: Very good. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: where like the woman very much like, you tell the man to hit you 30 times, or the woman's hitting the man, and then it's like he snaps and then he's in trouble.
It's like, do she, she hit him 20 times. It's like eventually, you know, I applaud him for holding back 20 times.
But you know, it's like, it just, the lack of masculinity drives me crazy. And I think, women need strong support systems. Just like men need strong support systems.
Kids need strong support systems.
So it's like, where can we give back? And I feel like if we can support you know, and a lot of times it's mothers then we can support the next generation.
Tim Caldwell: We, well, generationally, those are the things I want to always talk about is this lack of masculinity is, we're seeing the fruits of this me generation
Caleb Wright: It's just not, there? This is not [00:10:00] even a thing
Tim Caldwell: to deal in conflict.
They, they, they, they go immediately from where Liz and I are gonna talk about this. We see people get stabbed at a track meet, right? Yeah. We see people getting knocked out because you're in my parking space, or they break out their
windows these things happen because they don't know how to handle themselves.
Mm-hmm. It's,
Caleb Wright: they don't know how to handle themselves at all.
They don't, you know, when we look at it, it's like men have lower testosterone levels by like 50% than they did, in the sixties,
Tim Caldwell: Mm-hmm. Historically,
Caleb Wright: historically low, like we're, we're getting constantly barrage with
endocrine disruptors, food particles, microplastics, all these things.
So you take someone who, they have hormone imbalances, maybe they're also kind of, can be chubbier, so they're a little more they're estrogen filled, right? They're a little more emotional. And then it's like they're just chaos. People nowadays, it's like they can't be pressed on a problem without just like emotionally outburst, whether that's like [00:11:00] punching someone or it, it's like 20-year-old people are, are literally like on the psychological level of like seven year olds.
It's like they just wanna punch you in the face if they're upset with you. And it's like, that's not how life
Tim Caldwell: Absolutely.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. And, and don't get me wrong, I carry my gun and I'm at the age now where like, did you come out and you punch my window out? I may just shoot you. You know what I mean?
Tim Caldwell: If you're a threat,
Caleb Wright: If you're a threat.
But like, you know, just 'cause I carry my gun doesn't mean I look for a
Tim Caldwell: yeah.
Caleb Wright: You know what I mean? It's just crazy. People can't control their emotions at all anymore, and I think it just has to do with like the instant gratification, the poor health.
You know what I mean? It's like it just kind of all
Tim Caldwell: Y you, you know, the, the sad thing about having a conversation like this is, this is,
I'm from a military family. I serve, I wore two different uniforms. The whole point of being able to handle yourself is that I'd seen conflict. I'd seen hard times. That's how you do that. But in today's day and age where everything's given to you, you don't really have to work for anything. We don't really have any heroes anymore. That's why when we see people who are gonna keep their word at what they [00:12:00] said, Hey, that's refreshing. When we see people,
then we got, we have some people in here who might be actually stepping up and saying, look, these people who did wrong, we're gonna make sure we take care of that.
Right. We thank you. But not to go down any other realm except that this self-control thing, that's what the gym's for. What the gym's for, and I've been doing this for a very, very long time. I was a pro athlete for 12 years. The same thing that made me good in my profession is exactly why I have to train.
Right? Because that keeps the savage animal away.
And it's not that, it's not that we're gonna go insane or anything like that. It's just that. How in the world if I don't get in there and test myself and push myself and challenge myself, am I gonna know what a hardship is? That's why gyms become so therapeutic. Right? And
I wanna talk about that. I wanna talk about the therapeutic processes that the gyms provide.
Caleb Wright: Yeah,
Yeah. I mean, I, I couldn't agree more. Yeah.
Liz Herl: Well, and I think that, you know, one of the things [00:13:00] in, in this conversation that especially from my role there goes that, as a therapist in the mental health area of like when we talk, when you're talking about no one knows how to control their emotions. And this is something that is impacting everyone because we just operate in our amygdala all the time. And response, response, response. Yep. And we don't go into logic or reasoning, but there, that's not anything that's being created and built in. And what you, when you, when you're talking about this, it's something I was just talking to Tim about, that if we're not taught something within our children education in adolescence is structure, discipline, guidance.
Right? Like, we need to know where. To go and what to do and what not to do. But if we have all these freedoms that is of just decision making for myself as a 6, 8, 10, 12, I don't know how to do that. I need someone to tell me, no, I need someone to get in my face and remind me. And what I mean by that, not violently there's [00:14:00] a video that, a reel that I had sent Tim that of a an officer coming to a, a scene, and it was his nephew, and he spoke to him very, very, you could see just from the audio very, very directly. And he just as, as he was done giving him his lesson, I would say he grabbed him and hugged him, and he just, the young man just crumbled in his arms. Like, we, like That's something that's needed.
Yeah. I need you to remind me where to go. I don't know what I'm doing out here. I'm just operating so emotionally, I don't know how to gauge that or, you know, how do I manage myself?
Tim Caldwell: yeah,
And you know, the lack of grace, the, the lack of, and the quickness to condemn, right. We, right away we judge and condemn. Yeah.
Wait a minute. Have you even talked to that guy? Do you even know what that guy's story is?
Caleb Wright: Yeah. You know, everyone's quick to judge, right. And we see it, you know, to get political. We see the most political landscape and it's like, oh, that guy did this. And it's like, what have you done, dude? Like, let's peel back your shit. I guarantee you there's something. Right.
You know, or like my son, it's like, Hey, take a breath, figure it [00:15:00] out.
You know? Use your problem solving skills. I tell my families, I'm like, stop praising him for every little thing. If he does something good, hey great. But it's like, not everything is the best thing in the world because now it's like he, he brushes his teeth every day. Brush my teeth. Thank you.
Well, why said I brush my teeth? I don't have to praise you, dude. That's a normal
Tim Caldwell: That's right. Very good. That's right. Very Good
Caleb Wright: let's get your shoes on. We gotta get ready for school, you know, and I'm not, I sound like a coldhearted asshole here.
Tim Caldwell: Nope. Mm-hmm. Not
Caleb Wright: But it's like we can't just praise for everything. And I think that's what happens is that we're raised to like coddle so much that it's like, dude, when things get hard, it's like they don't know what to do.
Tim Caldwell: Hey, yeah. You know this negotiate in terms and am I gonna get, what am I gonna get for it? I'll tell you what you're gonna get for it. You get to live another day and eat
Caleb Wright: You get to not get your ass
Tim Caldwell: that's right.
Mm-hmm. And yeah, that, you know, in today's culture that all sounds very kind of cruel and cold.
And, [00:16:00] but that ain't natural. Mm-hmm. Natural is when the cub is all over the mom and the mom's tired of it, she'll growl at you once. Mm-hmm.
Once after that, you'll never forget what that grow up meant. Right? You, if if you haven't caught on, then you're gonna get your butt kicked.
The neat thing about what we're talking about Caleb, is that we're not trying, nobody, nobody here is trying to push any values on you. We will, I think, as a gym owner, and I, I'd appreciate it with Liz, is I see something in you that. There's something there to be drawn out, something there that can be refined. I have two beautiful ladies who come to my gym. They're working on their weight. And they had fallen away from their lifestyle. And they want to change all these things. Man, I don't want you to weigh 125 pounds and be a model.
I want you to weigh whatever you wanna weigh, but you gotta be healthy. And you gotta really feel good. And you know what? That should never end. That should go on until you're 50. I [00:17:00] wanna always improve. I wanna, whether you're an athlete or whatever, but if we don't supply these people with the information that, you know, one day you're gonna have grandkids, can you pick 'em up?
Can you play, can you take 'em to the park? Maybe not. But we need to make sure that people understand that when you see a really, really obese person on the treadmill. What are you doing?
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Right.
You're,
I've seen it more and more times, and I'm sure Caleb, you used to, the resolution is thing, right?
January we get to see her gyms fill up and it's it's great, but I used to, I used to be one of those guys who would mock that. Right? I'll, I'll see af after March, I
get my gym back. But, what happens is we need to be, we as gym owners and people who want to help influence and inspire and motivate. Good job, man. That's in the short time, look what you've learned. I'm always here for you. And when you have people like that, that want to come and learn, especially from people who are patient and willing [00:18:00] to say, Hey, I've been where you've been.
Or I know people who have been in your circumstance. What can I do? Right. And, and when you, when people see that in you, they know they have a mentor, a friend, they have a confidant. And that's what the gym is all about. That's, that's why gyms are so important to me.
Caleb Wright: No, a hundred percent.
Tim Caldwell: They're lost.
Caleb Wright: I think, yeah, it, I mean it's a place where like everyone can come from all backgrounds of life. It doesn't matter, right? It's like whether you're an addict, whether you're obese, whether you've always been fit, you just wanna be fitter. It's like, it's kind of like a common ground where everyone can come in and work and, you know, like you've been in my gyms, like they're not, like, they're not, I don't wanna say they're uninviting, but like, when you walk in, it's like, there's murals and there's rap music and it's very easy for someone to be off put, but it's like, I try to explain that like, dude, when you come to a gym like this, like everyone is so focused on improving themselves that like, they don't care what you're doing because they're just like that.
You're doing
Liz Herl: That's right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: care. Like, you're not gonna get judged here. And I know it sounds [00:19:00] lame, but like, you're gonna get judged at other places. Like people not doing anything. You're not gonna get judged here.
You know, it's like, I had a consult yesterday with a client, he's like, well, I'm only benching 2 0 5, but you know, a year ago I was doing the bar and I was like, that's awesome.
He's like, well, it's only 2 0 5. And I was like, dude, you just, you, you struggled with the bar. You just four x your bench press in one year. Like, that's incredible, man. Just because I benched 400 pounds doesn't make any better than your 200. Like,
Tim Caldwell: ex.
Caleb Wright: you're, you're progressing. What does it matter? Like, you know, comparisons of thief of Joy, you know, and it's like I have clients competing.
They can compare themselves to my other clients or people they see coming to the show. And it's like, dude, just focus on what you can control. You wanna change your physique, choose your mom and dad different. Like, that's all we can do. You don't have that option.
So we take the body God's given us, we take the gifts that he's given us and, and we try to improve.
Tim Caldwell: You're right. The, you know, and people who roll into the gym, I wanna focus a little bit more on how that works. But [00:20:00] you'll have people who come in and they're, they're across, like you said, they're all spectrum, right? But you'll have the people. The average age, people who come to me, they're a little bit older. I don't care what you used to bench. I really don't care how many pushups you could do as a 20-year-old Marine. None of that matters. Mine is, wow, you have a hard time getting up. Let's start there. And then, as that gets better, hopefully you take a bite of that apple and that thing rejuvenates you and you're good to go, alright, from then on, what can I do?
And that is now, now we have this, now we have this understanding. I'm here for you. This is the place to come. This is how we resolve it. So come on, you know what?
Bring your wife, bring your kids, bring, bring, bring
Caleb Wright: used to,
Yeah.
the used to is hard, you know, it's like
I used to have $5 million in the bank. It's cool. You got five bucks now.
You know, I had a trainer one time who wanted to rent space, and he brought a book and showed me like the pictures from him competing and his, I'm like,
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: dude, you're like in your [00:21:00] fifties now.
I really just don't care. Like, what can you provide value to my gym? You know what I mean? I don't, these are dope pictures, don't
Liz Herl: yeah. Right. For sure.
Tim Caldwell: For sure. I tell Liz a lot of times, you know, I'd want every bodybuilding show I'd ever been in, the worst ones I was in, and it was the Nationals that got seventh in the junior USA, but it was at the top of that contest where when I walked on stage, I realized I don't want to do this.
'cause they don't even say thank you, I just worked my butt off
for six weeks. And they're like, that was it, that, that's all. And then I realized, okay, that's it. But there comes a time too when you realize, so I just turned 61 when I was in my fifties. Man, it's really hard to hang up your Superman cape, right?
You always want you always want to be strong. You always wanna be the, and in, in my, you know, I come from a military point of view and all that. I wanna be underestimated. I wanna be hard to kill just, just straight up. But in the gym, that doesn't really translate. So you gotta find, [00:22:00] you gotta help people find their, this can be your bubble.
This can be, this is what we do for you. Mostly it's to try to keep people. Let's stay realistic about the goals that you have. Again, you used to run marathons, fine. You're not running marathons anymore, and that's taken its toll on your body. So what can we do now?
Right? Have you tried swimming? Is there an alternative? You know what's gone up, Caleb? I think it's like 3000% is these athletic events where you test yourself. Tough Mudder, Spartan
Caleb Wright: yeah. I wanted to do one this year. They were supposed to have one in Missouri and then, they didn't, but yeah, I wanted to take a team from the gym and take like 12 of
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, but you know what the thing is, I've been invited to the ones in Texas at the Spartan Race.
This guy's done like 16. I went to school with him. He's really good at it. I would go just to help other people get across the obstacles. I really would.
I mean, just to help people understand, Hey man, this ain't for everybody and you're not gonna get anything. But I think what a, a bagel and a plastic metal [00:23:00] a
Caleb Wright: I think you get like a beer and a metal.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Yeah. None of that interests
Caleb Wright: but it's cool, right? Because like we're, we're in a society where like fit fitness is only gonna keep getting more trendy and into it, right?
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Now, thankfully,
Caleb Wright: like this now, you know what I mean? And now like we're seeing these GLP ones come out and now we're seeing like osteoporosis and muscle wasting.
Tim Caldwell: Oh yeah.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. But it's like there's, it does not matter what you do. It's never going to replace, just like putting in work
Tim Caldwell: Right. But let's try, that's. You'll, you'll,
Caleb Wright: you know, I always say fitness is like credit. It goes away in an instant and it takes forever to gain back. So it's
Tim Caldwell: it's, ~ ~and there's no, and there's no, there's no biohack right there. You can find things that work, but if you think you're just gonna do red light therapy or you're gonna do ice baths or that's not gonna work, bro. You gotta get in the gym, you gotta sweat, you gotta make an effort. You gotta do all of those things.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. You know, it's, and see, I'm from the opposite [00:24:00] spectrum of you. Like I, my biggest accomplishment in bodybuilding is a novice overall. You know what I mean? Like,
I've never won my open class without being the only one. You know what I mean? It's
so, it's like, how can I help other people? And then, you know, I've taken PS for 10 years, and it's like I train a couple natty clients that, dude, it's very evident. They're much better than I will ever be in the first two years of Natty
Tim Caldwell: But You know as well as I do
Caleb Wright: biohacking is just having good
Tim Caldwell: That's you either get yourself a good pharmacist or another mom and dad like you said.
But the other, the other is that a, the aspect that you were talking about there is hard work will always outdo genetics.
Mm-hmm. I don't care. You, we, we,
always have this, we Jay Cutler or Ronnie Coleman type thing who, who, who trained harder. And I'm not gonna go there. I'm just gonna go to you look at guys like Seth OSI or these, that guy trains like a beast. And he's not big, he's not perfect, but man, what a physique. Right?
These, these guys who, they're not perfect, they just [00:25:00] train really, really hard and they're
Caleb Wright: Well, I,
Tim Caldwell: they never miss,
Caleb Wright: I would say like Paul Gillette, maybe some of the best genetics we've ever seen in bodybuilding and
Tim Caldwell: Dude. I sat, I sat right behind Paul DeLeT at a national show
Caleb Wright: you probably couldn't even see the
Tim Caldwell: He had to sit in his chair, he had to sit in his chair and you know, when they take, everybody knows that when you're a bodybuilder and you're in really good shape, you look enormous.
Well, he's a big dude anyway. He was enormous,
dude. But when you sat in a chair, I saw Sergio Oli leaning against a wall in a theater, and he wasn't, but he was still, he was in his sixties, man. He was still just so amazingly huge and out of proportion, you know.
But, but the whole point
Caleb Wright: yeah.
Tim Caldwell: those guys didn't have perfect. They built it. And every day they built it
Liz Herl: Well, one of the things I was gonna talk about when we talked about this in a previous episode on our show is that I don't like the idea that when people say, oh, here they all, all the [00:26:00] resolution has come in at the beginning of the year.
Yeah. I have a, I'm a little bit more compassionate, like, Hey, you never know where their journey is starting. If it happens to start the first year, then so be it. That is actually how I met Tim is that I had been really struggling with my weight and my health substantially with my blood pressure.
And I had people just kind of say, you're middle age, this is kind of where you're at. This is just gonna be, you know, you're just gonna kind of, you know, lean into it a little bit.
Tim Caldwell: This is you
Caleb Wright: the new normal.
Liz Herl: Yeah, exactly.
Caleb Wright: it's
Liz Herl: I had been hot, you know, I'd been in and outta gyms throughout my whole life of like going in for a few weeks. But here's something that I've shared with them, and I'm sure you've heard this before. I was so anti personal training because I didn't want arrogant, egotistical, like, I'm like,
I'm not an athlete. I've never played an athletic sport in my life, and so don't expect that. And I was encouraged just to go and this was at the Y-M-C-A-Y-M-C-A is to see Tim.
I was like, listen, no big feets here. I'm just trying, I wanna [00:27:00] lose like 10 pounds and see if I can. And he was like, okay. And that was it. And that's where it started. And then ironically, I fell in love with how I felt. I felt really strong. I felt like I started falling. It didn't, it took literally probably six months to be fair. But it did take a while. It wasn't like I fell in love with it immediately. I had to, learn to find my love of it. And how I felt from it. And that is in that, that's it. It started at the beginning of the year, that's like, you know, to almost, yeah. Two years ago or so.
Tim Caldwell: The neat thing about that, Liz, and you'll, I think you'll agree with this, Caleb, is you don't have to have a trainer. But you know what everybody should be learning,
and I've been doing this 40 years. I still listen to what people say about training and what they, we've realized that, if you're gonna be a Jeff Cavalier, do an upright rose will ruin your shoulders.
Oh really? If you got good shoulders and you've done that for 60 years, it's unlikely you're gonna hurt. But you still have to take in [00:28:00] that information. But it's it's okay to be completely arbitrary. I believe what this guy says, and I believe it. That guy says, you don't, we're not opposing. It's just a different point of view.
This guy wants you to be a little bit more careful and thoughtful. This one over here wants you to be an animal.
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Tim Caldwell: Okay. Great.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. See, I, I'm opposite. I think everyone should have a trainer you know, whether, whether you're overweight, great weight shredded I think everyone should have a training. The reason being is because I don't care who you are. I think we all need help with consistency from time to time. I think we all need mentorship.
I think if you want to be any type of successful anything in life, you need fitness, right? Fitness helps us personally and professionally. I'm, you know, not everyone is gonna be nine, 10% body fat, but we all have troubles. We all struggle. We all need mentorship, right? So, you know, one of the reasons the, the coach who I work with I met him through a mentorship group, and so I just wanted
[00:29:00] enhanced mentorship. You know what I mean? As a trainer, I'm dumped on 24 7 as a gym owner. I'm dumped on 24 7.
I handle a roster of 60 clients. I have 10 to 12 employees. I have a wife, I have kids. It's like, dude, I'm the problem solver everywhere I go. And there are sometimes that, I'm at a breaking point and I need someone to fix my problems.
You know what
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm. Oh yeah,
Caleb Wright: I mean? And, and when I'm struggling the easiest thing for me to give up are my workouts. The easiest thing for me to give up is my
Tim Caldwell: nutrition
back burner,
Caleb Wright: when those are the things that help me get through it, because
Tim Caldwell: the things you mean
Caleb Wright: I don't respect my own time. I let everyone else's time in true to my time.
So, you know, if I didn't pay someone to coach me. I, I mean, I did it right, all of 2023. I didn't work out, I didn't eat.
Before I knew it, I went from two 20, you know, five, 6% body fat to two 60, [00:30:00] 30% maybe, maybe even more. You know what I mean?
And I looked at myself and I would lie to myself, I'm still two 60.
Oh man, I'm still pretty good. And then, dude, I got tits. Like, I'm not even, you can't even try work out anymore.
You know, it's like, so I do think everyone should have a trainer or some type of mentor. You know, I have a coach, I have a gen mentor. I'm joining a networking group.
I'm also in the process of getting a spiritual mentor from my
Tim Caldwell: Wonderful. Yeah. I
Caleb Wright: to help me lead. So, like, growing up, I was a Christian. I went to church. I went through some hard things in my high school life. I was a Wednesday and Sunday goer. And then once I moved, I got away from the church I went to, and I just never found another one.
My wife and I met, you know, she's Jewish, I'm Christian. We never tried to force anything on each other. You know, the religions are very similar. You know, the biggest difference is, you know, we view Jesus as a God and, and they view Jesus as a man.
But they also believe in God. We, you know, we've kind of gotten to a point to where like, my wife and I felt like we were missing something [00:31:00] spiritually.
And I didn't want to go to Temple. She didn't wanna go to church, right? So it's like, we'll, we'll, we pray together. We do different things. We try to teach our sons higher powers and, you know, she finally decided that she thinks she wanted to go to church. So we started going to a church by her house.
We've gone probably the last like eight-ish weeks, eight to 10 weeks. We really enjoy it. You know, but I've been out of it for so long, it's like, I don't remember a lot, you know what I mean? We're looking forward to being an Easter. So my, my wife can continue learning, I can relearn.
And, you know, at the end of the day, like, we can be good people, but like, we just need more. And it's like, you need like a higher power. You need something to work for, you need something to work at.
And at the end of the day, like we talked before, it's like, it's another community.
And you need to fill, you need to fill your cup spiritually, physically, mentally, and with what I do, if I'm not filling my cup, I can't fill others, you know, my cup's empty.
It's like I got nothing to give man.
You know? So it's like the weekends for me are, you know, I try not to work 'cause like, I have to recharge, you know what I mean? [00:32:00] I go get donuts with my kids. I go to church, I spend time with my family, because it's like, I have to make sure come Monday morning at 5:00 AM when my alarm goes off, I'm ready to go because I'm gonna have. 60 to 80 conversations that day through text message, dms, in person phone calls. And like, you know, yesterday I had to go to the DMV, I had to go to the laundromat, you know, to wash stuff for
Tim Caldwell: That's time lost.
Yeah.
Caleb Wright: dude, next thing I know it's like 7 30, 8 o'clock at night and I am behind on my steps. I'm still not done working and I'm on my treadmill with my desk finishing up.
So it's like you have to make sure that like you're filling your cup.
And for me spiritually has been really good. I feel like a burden lifted for me knowing that like, it's not, it's not up to me, it is up to me, but it's like there's also things that are gonna happen no matter what I do.
Tim Caldwell: This is part of the therapeutic, mental, physical, spiritual balance, right? This is homeostasis that we have to have.
Mine has is mine has never [00:33:00] been without the simple fact that if without that balance we're, you're no good as a caregiver if you don't care for yourself first.
This is the accountability and responsibility, right? So we know medically and we know scientifically that these hormones do things to our brain and, you know, but somebody else put 'em there. And if you don't believe in that, we can always, let's talk about it while we walk on the treadmill. Let's do whatever we do. But my going back to the per the personal or professional trainer, I I've been doing this a long time, and when we have people who pop up online and they don't own gyms, they, they don't even compete and they want to generate re revenue by claiming they've, I've, I've, I've helped 10,000 people, eh, man, 10,000 people.
I've been doing this 40 years, and I got maybe 200 under my belt. But they've stayed with me for a long time.
Right.
Caleb Wright: if you've helped that many people, you are the world's best salesman
Tim Caldwell: absolutely.
Caleb Wright: and the shittiest.
Tim Caldwell: Trainer.
Caleb Wright: Shittiest
Tim Caldwell: stayed with [00:34:00] you.
Caleb Wright: because your turnover is
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. 100%. Yeah. And that's, they make these claims because they sold them vitamins, right? Well, you didn't really train anybody. He bought your vitamins. Good for You
Caleb Wright: have sold 10,001 off plans that were auto junked.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, they got a free trial and they never canceled.
Alright, cool. Great for you. Good for you. But we're off track here, but do you know, the thing I want to point out about all of that, to kind of dial it back to the aspect of this balance, this mental, physical, spiritual balance. you got any stories about people's lives that have changed because of the gym?
Do you have any
Caleb Wright: Do I have
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. You got any stories like that?
Caleb Wright: You know, a couple in particular, like the one that really gets me, you know, I, I mean, we can even say mine, right? Like.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Okay.
Caleb Wright: I like to work out, but I also probably got drunk four or five nights a week. And then once I got serious about that, I stopped and it's like, where would I have been if I just kept going with four or five nights a week of getting drunk, all the time.
You know, I meet people who are recovering addicts, [00:35:00] like they were in and out, they're doing cocaine, meth, you know, they found fitness, they found faith. And it's like they're, they're, it pulled them out of it. That's why, you know, I'm not a big fan. Like there's a gym here in town where they have a bar in their gym and it kind of drives me crazy because it's like, how many recovering addicts are coming here?
You know, my first client ever, she was 27, was gonna be put on blood pressure medication. You know what I mean? So it's like, because she was overweight, so
Liz Herl: huh? That was
Caleb Wright: you get off of it and you stop. It's like, where would your life have been? So many things when people are oppressed with
really hard decisions with their health. It's either they go left or they go right. And it's like they don't give a shit. It just gets worse. They fix it. It's just incredible to see the change that people make. I've had people cry to me and break down and they're like, you saved me from
Tim Caldwell: the time. Yep.
Caleb Wright: an abusive relationship.
And I'm like, how did I, how did I do that? And they're like, you, you just believed in me through fitness. And I gave me the confidence to get out of it. And they're like crying and I'm like, dude, all I did was train you.
Liz Herl: Right. Sure enough. Yeah. But it's really
Caleb Wright: I, I dunno, [00:36:00] you know? But it is powerful and it's really intense. And, you know, being a trainer is more than a trainer.
You're a confidant, you're a
Tim Caldwell: the bartender, you're,
the hairdresser.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, you do, you do everything.
You know what I mean? And whether that's, I have clients who, like, they have to give me, you know, three positive affirmations. I have clients that like, literally they have to. They're going through some ed things, and it's like, I need you to send me a picture of every meal that you eat and tell me something you're thankful for.
You know what I mean? It's like we have to build each meal.
We're trying to connect like a meal with something positive because they've always viewed a meal as a
Liz Herl: yeah. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: And they feel bad because get a dopamine hit when they eat and then they feel ashamed. And I'm like, dude, like,
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Ate too
Caleb Wright: know, you have to, to survive, right?
Tim Caldwell: yeah,
Caleb Wright: it's okay.
You know? So it's like, send me something you're, you're thankful for. So it's like we have to kinda rebuild the connection between food
Tim Caldwell: Oh, yeah. [00:37:00] Absolutely.
Caleb Wright: use it, you know? So it's like there's so many things that have been done through fitness that like I never thought would be a thing.
Right. And it's pretty cool.
Tim Caldwell: Well look, how much, look how I I, I'm a big fan of Charles Pollman, if you, I'm sure you know the name, but if you, if you follow his, if you follow much of what's gone on with him and Bill Pearl. Bill Pearl was the first bodybuilder, whoever took me a side, spent time with his 17-year-old skinny kid, five foot, nothing.
Spent the whole day with me. Amazing guy. But the whole point is, is that look, the gyms are, the gyms are the they're the empirical evidence, right? People are out there doing this stuff in the gym, and then science comes along and says, Hey, maybe we should try this. Really, guys have been doing this in the gym for 40 years and science is catching up, right?
No, that's not how it works. Hard work. Exercise all this bad cholesterol, don't eat egg yolks. Dude, you, I have such a problem. You know, I have, I have multiple medical degrees, or excuse me, multiple degrees in [00:38:00] science. I've never seen science do a better job than what I've seen with empirical evidence and people in the gym.
And I know that it's true. I blew apart the whole theory about there was a time when doctors lost all their credibility because steroids would kill you. Steroids would this start? Really? I'm surrounded by some of the healthiest people in the world, some of them doctors. None of what you said is true now, can it?
Sure. Misuse. Sure.
Alcohol can do that. Cigarettes can do that. Food can do that. The most powerful drug in the world is food.
Caleb Wright: Yeah.
Tim Caldwell: the most powerful and people misuse it.
Caleb Wright: It's the leading cause of death. ~ ~
Tim Caldwell: Absolutely.
Liz Herl: Absolutely.
Caleb Wright: know, the whole cholesterol thing is a big craze right now. And it's, you know, if cholesterol is, so, if cholesterol is so bad, breast milk's considered one of the most nutritious things on the
Tim Caldwell: Yep.
Caleb Wright: It's completely cholesterol.
The brain is like almost 50% cholesterol. Back in like the sixties, like, oh, cholesterol under 300, and then it was two 50, and now it's like, oh, it has to be under 200. It's like, [00:39:00] okay, so as we've cut cholesterol, we've seen a rise in
Tim Caldwell: of these deficiencies. Yes.
Caleb Wright: brain related, diseases.
And it's like, are we not putting this together that less cholesterol is causing these problems? And it's like when I help people and I boost their dietary fat intake and we boost their cholesterol. And I'm not saying we're trying to raise the skyrocket, but it's like they have better, better mental processing.
Their, their they feel better, their hormones are
Tim Caldwell: or emotional levels.
That's right.
Caleb Wright: their emotional levels are better. And it's like, yeah. And it was all, it all stemmed from fricking onl keys back in like, what the fifties where it's like he bastardized cholesterol and he, he got the seed oils going and he hid, he, you know, he threw fear mongering.
He hid the reports of like what cigarettes did to us. And it's like, if you.
If you even like, dare to judge what he said, he would like just destroy you with like
Tim Caldwell: Destroy your career. You bet. That's right.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, yeah. And it's like, you know, so really science is so far behind what fitness is [00:40:00] doing. And it's like every time I have a scientific list come at me, they're,
Tim Caldwell: It's
Caleb Wright: they're half my size and I'm like, if the science was so right, why aren't you bigger?
Tim Caldwell: Well, it's, it's worse than that most of the science that we've been told for 50, 60 years, it's not scientific at all.
It's just some guy wrote a paper and we're not smart enough to ask you questions. Right. And we just ran with that. The food, the food pyramid. Cholesterol, LDL, all of this stuff is not high blood pressure and sodium. That's 180% wrong.
180% wrong.
Caleb Wright: it's so crazy. We, I, I'm a, I'm, I'm in conspiracies, right? So I'm a big believer and we've been fed
Liz Herl: You're talking to the right guy. Breach.
Caleb Wright: Fat and sick. So it's like back in like the sixties, you know, farmers fed their pigs coconut oil to try to fatten 'em up. Well, they just got leaner, you know what I mean? And, but, so then they fed 'em, you know, seed oils and they got fatter, you know, and it's like, [00:41:00] it, it's actually, I, I saw a thing the other day that was like, oh, you're fat as a pig.
That's actually insulting to the pig because the average American is like 30 so
Tim Caldwell: Pigs aren't
Caleb Wright: And the average pig is like 20 to 15, right?
Yeah. And it's like when you look at, let's look at like back in the sixties, everyone was hot, sexy.
They had, they were having more sex, they were
Tim Caldwell: fat people. Yes. All the things.
Liz Herl: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: we were eating steak, butter, eggs, all this stuff. And now it's like, we're not supposed to eat that 'cause it's unhealthy. Well, our main food ingredient is wheat, barley,
All this stuff, but like, what do we feed to life? What do we feed to livestock to make them fat, wheat, barley, it's like we're literally being fed to the slaughterhouse and then we're told to take these products to make us feel better.
And like statins, you know, statins, oh, they reduce your risk of heart attack by 27%. And it's like, well, technically that's true, but when you look at the data, it took you from 0.13% chance of a heart attack to 0.07.
So [00:42:00] is it really worth it?
Tim Caldwell: statistically, that's wrong. I mean, we know that in the spectrum of statins, like 3% of people who take statins have any positive effect. Most all the other effects are poor or negative.
Right.
Caleb Wright: Well, and then you start with a statin and then you go to like PPIs and then you're gonna get Ed. So then you're having to get on hormones it's like you take a statin,
you're guaranteed to have to be on four to five different
Tim Caldwell: yeah.
Caleb Wright: because when you get these people who are taking 10 medications, they don't have 10 problems.
They have one problem that sort of one medication, and they're getting nine fing side effects
Tim Caldwell: That's right. You are absolutely right. Yeah, that's right.
Liz Herl: 100% right.
Tim Caldwell: That's right. They exacerbate one plus one now equals five, right? Mm-hmm.
Because either they're doctor shopping or their doctor, their doctors aren't pharmacists. Well, I, I know for a fact that doctors don't take pharmacology.
Doctors don't even take nutrition. They don't, they don't care how you eat. They don't even ask, here, take this
Liz Herl: Right now, it's what if one medication is to resolve anything, whether it [00:43:00] be cholesterol or, you know, antidepressants. Well, there's a side effect of that. Well, now I'm gonna give you another medication to offset that side effect.
Yeah. Yeah. And it just multiplies and multiplies and multiplies. Yeah. And it's just obliterating guts like your, your literal gut lining in the
Caleb Wright: Oh, the guts are just destroyed. Yeah. And
shitier, right? I, I remember what it, so I apologize, but. He was a therapist and he refused to give his clients any type of antidepressants until they cleaned up their diet and took a higher, a higher dose of fish oil and cleaned up everything. And it's like, I tell people this all the time, it's like, I know depression is a real thing.
Like I know it's
Tim Caldwell: yeah. Correct.
Caleb Wright: but I also believe that 80% of people aren't depressed. If you lose weight, eat healthier, have more sex, and get more sunlight, holy shit, I bet you feel pretty damn good. You know what I'm saying? It's like, and that's really what it comes down to. Now, there are people who are, are actually clinically depressed.
And so I'm not trying to get it twisted to [00:44:00] say that it doesn't, it's not a thing. I know it's a thing, but I'm also not stupid that like, if you don't go outside, if you don't see sun, if you're doom scrolling, if you're not moving, it's like, yeah, you probably don't feel good.
Tim Caldwell: That's right. Absolutely. You, you spun yourself into this negative thing. You need to stop it and spin the other way. And that's with good hormones, right? Endorphins, dopamine, but this is where trainers come in too, right? Is I understand that you're in this situation, but let's try this, right?
Maybe I won't ask you to give up your food yet, but have it earlier in the day so you can burn through it. Maybe you like chocolate, okay? But you have to have chocolate before 11:00 AM
because for the rest of the day, I need you to get through this day. And, and these little you open these little windows of possibility.
Well, I did feel better, I did rest longer. I, I don't ache as much. I have almost everybody who's over 40 give blood. I just do. Because you wanna talk about dropping your blood pressure and literally giving yourself an oil change. You're, once you get that
Caleb Wright: Double reds baby.
Tim Caldwell: Your marrow starts kicking out, your spleen does its job. All of these things are working right. [00:45:00] And this is not what doctors think. They don't know that, that they were never taught that nobody, this is what, this is what gyms teach you. Right. The gyms teach you this. They literally do.
Liz Herl: Right. Well, and, and And being a therapist, you know, one of the things that I work with is obviously mental health challenges.
You're right. It's all, all mental health challenges are a very, very real thing. And I think there's components of what we're battling with today that around movement. And that's actually one of my questions is the individuals that you, that might come in, I bet you have had the opportunity to see that transformation in their own mental health.
I mean, you've heard them say to you, wow, you helped me so much. Well, actually it's, yes. I'm sure you hear the stories and the feedback and like, I can't believe this is happening in my life. Whatever's going on. It's also their body working for them versus against them. In just how their movement is happening.
And it's a combination of actually still sharing their struggles, but then feeling the physical, you know, [00:46:00] positive effects their movement, the right, that feedback and
Just knowing like that's imperative. That's one of my biggest pushes. That's why when we started this podcast, the mental, physical health PO process we're, we are all one.
We try and separate that out and say, well go and do all these things to make me feel better. Which is think better, like drugs, alcohol, you know, sex. Yeah. Whatever, food, all the things. And then, we detach. I always say I wanted to get a picture of a head kind of detached off the body because we don't look at us as one.
We're like, our body is operating this way. Yeah. But our head is, is somewhere else. Yeah. And when we get that completely aligned through how we think and how we feel and how we process which is, like I said, this is much larger in when we're thinking about, societal issues and how we're operating within, you know, where we were talking about our emotional responses and things of that nature. Having experience, you know, like that's one of my biggest things, like how do you work with clients at me have low motivation and kind of where they're kind of dragging their [00:47:00] feet a little. There's, I mean, I, I threatened to quit Tim like two dozen times because I was like, this is worthless. I'm like, I lost a pound.
One pound was like,
Tim Caldwell: I just asked her to be patient. That was, and I just like, just be patient.
Liz Herl: Just patient. This is not because I didn't know the other things that were happening in my body. I was looking at a scale, which is one thing women really get tied up in is that scale piece. And I was like, listen, I'm working, like, I look like a drowned rat at the gym, and I'm not seeing the results of that.
And he was just like, hang in there. He said, just give me three months. And I was like, oh, three months.
Tim Caldwell: It's hard to convince, a layman that.
The reason scale's not training is because you're putting on lean muscle mass and you're burning fat you're changing. Everything's changing in you, and it's trying to decide which way it wants to go.
So you sticking to that is how your body makes this decision. I like this. And now, pretty soon you get better at it, and now you start to ramp up because you're getting stronger and it's easier and you're loving it. Right? That's the whole point.
Caleb Wright: yeah. So I require a three month minimum anyways.
Liz Herl: Oh, [00:48:00] nice. Nice. Oh, that's
Caleb Wright: commit three months, it's like, it's not useless, you know what I'm
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: The first thing I start with is just movement. Like, let's track your steps. Let's get your water intake up and let's kind of try to clean up your digestion.
And we kind of start small there. 'cause I feel like if you're doing too much at once, it's very overwhelming. And then as far as like tracking metrics, we do scale measurements and pictures because sometimes like the scale doesn't tell the whole story. Sometimes, you know, you could not lose weight but lose a lot of inches.
You could lose a lot of weight, but not a lot of inches. Or like, honestly, you could just recomp, depending on how like overweight you are, it's very easily that you could just recompensated the same body weight, but your body composition changes drastically. And, and those things are really hard to see. I just try to hammer into people like, I mean, honestly, this shouldn't be motivating.
It's like, I, I, I'm not gonna, I'm not here to motivate you every day. Like, we're here to build habits. You know what I mean? So it's like, I want you to be excited to come see me, [00:49:00] but it's like, it's not always fun.
Sometimes it hurts, you know? But it's like we're building the foundation of something better.
And if we can build these habits, it's like, these are what's gonna carry us. It's like I'm not always motivated, you know what I mean? Like sometimes my motivation is my training partner gets here at one o'clock and I'm like, oh man, I guess it's time to train. And then I'm able to get around it.
Just because we do it for a living doesn't mean it's easy for us. The only thing we've built is the dedication to do it. To take over when the motivation is not there. So I think starting small is really big for people.
Tim Caldwell: I work with clients I give them one at a time for the name of my business is Genuine Effort. If you could just keep walking through that door every day. We'll, we'll form patterns, right? We're gonna form habits. this this will be your place. After that, we're gonna start looking at how, it's all about the training.
It's all about how you train good form the whole bit. Now you're gonna start to see the exercise has become a little more easy. You've started to develop motor patterns and all this stuff. Now we can look at programming. Now that that's happening, [00:50:00] let's, put in a little more motion. I've always told people, 85% of this change that you want to happen, you don't even have to come to my gym.
I can do it with your dinner fork. However, I can build a healthier body and change the way you look. If in this last component. How about we meal prep for a while? I'm gonna teach you how, and it doesn't have to be complicated. You don't have to be a slave to the scale. Let me show you how to eat.
And then that's what happened with Liz, is that when we kicked in the last ingredient that for three months, six months mm-hmm. She lost like two pounds.
But when we kick in, boots six, six pounds. But in, after that boom Right, she got hard and lean and strong and it, it her, everybody's like, well, what's happening here?
It was like crazy because I
Liz Herl: yeah. 'cause yeah, when I started he likes to say, but I, I, last time I checked out the scale, I was like at 180. And so then I was like, well, if I could get down to like, you know, 1 60, 1 50, I not one 50. I was like 1 60, 1 [00:51:00] 65. And that it was, and what, and what did I say? I don't know. I don't recall. Everything said,
Tim Caldwell: you can stop wherever you want though.
Liz Herl: I was like, I don't know.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
That, but that's the whole point is you start losing 10 pounds, that's pretty cool. And then 20 pounds and, and then pretty soon when people start to notice, I'm like, oh my gosh, you look great. Well, 60 pounds goes by and people are like, what had happened? I had a lot of clients that come in and they were like, what happened? Are you
Caleb Wright: important, go ahead.
Tim Caldwell: I, I was gonna ask, are you pressed for time or you got a couple more minutes.
Caleb Wright: No, yeah. Like I said, I'm good till one ~ ~
Tim Caldwell: Okay. Okay, good.
What
Caleb Wright: Yeah, I think what's important too is, is understanding like, you know, progress isn't, isn't linear, right? It's
Liz Herl: Nope. Nice. I say therapy. No.
Caleb Wright: yeah, not going backwards I think is really important. Or, you know, when I'm training someone and they're like, oh, I wanna take a three month break.
Why? Well, the holidays are coming up and it's like, that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Like, you're gonna let three, let's let's say [00:52:00] five days, right? So let's say one for Halloween. Let's say two for Thanksgiving, right? 'cause we all always
Tim Caldwell: Halloween off. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: let's say two.
Two for Christmas to Christmas Eve and then New Year's. So, okay, so like six, let's say seven days max. You're gonna let seven days dictate your next
Tim Caldwell: Well, dude, you're being too kind because there's birthdays a guy's getting married. I'm gonna get
Caleb Wright: Always, dude, it's always that,
Tim Caldwell: Oh,
Caleb Wright: You know what I mean? Okay, well let's get you sexy before your friend's
Tim Caldwell: That's
Caleb Wright: birthday trip or whatever.
But it's like, if we're not going backwards and we're just holding still, that's a win, right? And is it really, is it really flu season or is it the season of overeating over sugared
Tim Caldwell: Sleep.
Caleb Wright: and stress?
You know what I mean? So it's like, that's the way I view it.
Less activity. So it's like there's no perfect time to start, you know, fitness is kinda like having kids. It's like if you wait till you're ready, you're never ready. But if we can just focus on not going backwards. My client, I just posted on my story yesterday, I don't know if you guys seen it.
He's [00:53:00] down like 75 pounds. His A one C's come down. His, his testosterone naturally is, has raised from 200 to like four eighties and he's 54,
Tim Caldwell: That's awesome.
Caleb Wright: you know, and you know, we've done keto, we've done some fasting, and now we're like carb cycling, you know what I'm saying? And it's like we've been, we've been together two years and he tried to quit twice.
And I told him no.
Liz Herl: Good. Yeah. I love it.
Caleb Wright: quitting. Because he got covid, he had gotten the vaccinations and then he, he had long covid. I mean that's like, we know that's now a
Tim Caldwell: What happened to your vaccination?
Caleb Wright: he, yeah, he's had covid like six times and it's like he was just getting frustrated. I'm like, dude, I promise, like I.
We're getting through this man, and I know it's not ideal, but we're not going backwards, you know, and that's what's important. Or it's like, maybe we're only taking one step backwards instead of five, and we're not letting it spiral. It's like we're, we're getting a hold of it and we're, we're taking advantage, not advantage of it.
We're taking care of it [00:54:00] and we're using it to propel us forward. So it's like, I think people really, they misjudge like how important, it's to just not go backwards. You know what I mean?
Liz Herl: Well, and I, one of the things that I hear there, and I really appreciate, especially as a therapist, because I call myself like the accountability checker on your progress. I will hold your feet to the fire to see how are, how are you feeling? Like you're progressing. It's not always like, how do you think I'm doing?
No, how do you think you're doing is now that's, you know, in my world, that's kind of, one of my, ways I address that. So having you hear that, say that you want people to maintain, like you don't get to quit, like you have to keep going. We just talked about this in a previous episode that I was just looking at. There is this mystified belief and I don't know where this went or came from that life. We don't have hardships, we don't have struggles, we don't have all these things. It's like, I don't know where we got this cotton candy world from, because I know I wasn't raised or in it. So yeah. Having that idea, and so that's something I know that I face in my [00:55:00] clientele and I'm sure you both face in yours around like, it's really hard though.
It's tough, but it's supposed to be, right.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: I mean, that's life.
Tim Caldwell: I mean, Brian, you're a Christian. Isn't life just easy? Isn't it just simple
because our
Caleb Wright: sometimes I just have to look at my client, depending on the client,
Tim Caldwell: right? Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: Just shut up and stop being a P word. Like, good God, just shut up.
Tim Caldwell: yeah, yeah, yeah,
Caleb Wright: Like, I'm tired of hearing it, man. Like, or, or girl, you know what I mean? Like some of my girls I'll talk to like that we have a closer relationship
Tim Caldwell: Sure.
Yeah. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: you know, sometimes people need that.
And, and I, some of my intake questions, you know, it's like, what books do you like? What podcasts do you like? You know, there's
Liz Herl: Oh, that's good.
Caleb Wright: Some, some of that is like, I need to know how I can talk to you. Right?
Liz Herl: Yes.
Caleb Wright: you you're being stupid, or do I need to hold your hand? And, you know, I've had clients before that I've, I've begged, I'm like, please do not quit.
Like, you're not ready.
And, you know, I'm like, and I, this isn't financial. Like, you know, you're $160, you pay me a month [00:56:00] for four sessions. Like, that's not, it's not gonna make or break me. You're, you, you're just not gonna do this on your own. Like,
Tim Caldwell: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's
Caleb Wright: And then, you know, before you know it, they've gained back a hundred pounds and it's like.
Come back and you're doing it again. And they, they're like, I'm ready. And I'm like, no, you're not. You're not ready. You don't have it.
Like you, you don't have it. Like,
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Caleb, I,
Caleb Wright: that sounds mean, but it's like I'm not gonna Yes man. You like, dude, you're not gonna do it
Tim Caldwell: On the, on the front side of that too, man, I have so many people who they're in a bad place.
Caleb Wright: Yeah.
Tim Caldwell: can train in my gym for free, and that, that changes, right? Because as they get going on, I explain to 'em that I'm not a rich man and I don't have a religious symbol floating above my head.
I gotta pay bills too.
But start start with this. And pretty soon they work themselves right into they can, not that you need to afford me. What you need to do is set aside and afford yourself, and this is what you need to do to take care of yourself. Now, I would argue, I, all of that money that you spend on me, which you think is [00:57:00] really expensive, all I'm asking you to do is not eat lunch out twice a week, you'll pay for me easy.
Caleb Wright: Paid for.
Tim Caldwell: It is too expensive to do all that stuff, but is, that's part of the life lesson, right? We have to be well-rounded people as gym owners and trainers to understand, well, I can talk to this person this way, another person I have to go. Well, like I, I, have people, I can't talk any politics. I have people I have, I would never talk about hunting or I'd never, whatever. But when you, when you discover those things about what triggers, what motivates, what inspires, those are the things you, you're not hammering on 'em, but you're always there making sure, Hey, this is, sometimes we fall down.
But a lot of times the biggest leaps come from taking a couple steps back, learn from our mistake, and we make a run at it. And now you didn't lose everything. You're still going on from where you left off, right?
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. And I, that's something that clients struggle with and I struggle with sometimes with it. 'cause it's like, I love what I do. I have a lot of passion for what I do. [00:58:00] And sometimes like my passion comes off as like aggression, right? And people are like, dude, calm down. I'm like, I'm not even mad, like, what are you talking about?
I'm like, I'm amped up right
Tim Caldwell: yeah, yeah,
Caleb Wright: even when I'm talking to my staff, and sometimes I'll apologize after a meeting. I'm like, Hey, I'm not mad at you. It's just like, I'm just letting you know, man.
And with my clients sometimes too, it comes off as passion because I get emotional because I can't want this more than you want
Liz Herl: Ah, that's right. Wow. That's power. That's right. Yeah. That's true.
Caleb Wright: you're pissy, you're pissing me off.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. Yeah.
Liz Herl: We've all been
Caleb Wright: I have one guy, he's about to start back with me, but when he left a couple years ago, we did a show together and we had a post show meeting, I guess you can call it with every one of my coach.
And I was like, fucking pissing me off, dude. Why? And I was like, because you are so good and you don't even get it like, you are natural and you kick my butt. Like, I could never be as good as you. And as a coach and as a fellow competitor, you piss me off 'cause you don't want it.
Tim Caldwell: [00:59:00] Yeah.
Caleb Wright: I didn't eat my meal 'cause I didn't have a microwave. I don't care. Eat the meal. Like, you have to want this.
And this isn't just about competing. This is like, I wanna make more money, work harder, I wanna look better, work harder. I want to have a good relationship. Work harder. Right. Stop being a baby about it and just take control. You know what I mean? Like I wanna be a better leader. I have to read, I want to be a better businessman.
I have to put in effort, I wanna be a better father. I have to literally put in time, it's like everything we do, we need effort. And it's like if you can't put in effort, you're not gonna get anything out of it. I could come to you for therapy if I don't try am I gonna get anything out of it?
Liz Herl: right. Yeah. You're preaching to the choir there, right? Yeah. I've literally,
Caleb Wright: Frustrating.
Liz Herl: no. I totally get it. Yeah, I get it. It, right. And that's why, of course, with Tim's genuine effort being the name of his gym, like, just give me your genuine a sum effort. Right. And i, I'll [01:00:00] tell, you know, individuals like, the biggest thing that irritates me is that when there's a big myth around that when you come to therapy, we do not give advice. That is not, my job is
to give advice I'm not here to come in for someone to share, Hey, here's all the things that are going wrong. How do I fix 'em? It's like, no, we have to pull this apart and you have to discover about behaviors and situations and environments and things that have caused these reactions.
And then what do you wanna do about 'em? Well, what do you think I should do about 'em? Oh my God. It's like, no, that's what we're here for.
Caleb Wright: you, you need, you need to figure it out. Right. And that's why I love, like we employ a lot of young people. And I really enjoy it
Tim Caldwell: Sure.
Caleb Wright: They need coaching. I'm not perfect, but I have some businesses. I don't think I'm anything fantastic, but I have done something, I have a really good relationship. So what can I do? To help the next generation. We have this one guy I almost lost on it and fired him one day because he forgot his T-shirt.
And it's like, dude, I've told you three times to bring in your shirt. [01:01:00] Like this is the bare minimum to do this
Tim Caldwell: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: like to just to show up in uniform.
And it's like, I actually had to walk away before I blew up on him. 'cause I was like about to lose my mind. And I ended up calling my manager and having him take care of it.
And now he's actually a really good employee, right?
But it's like, man, are we, I just need the bare minimum. And sometimes people can't even do that.
I had a girl, she said she was mad and she ended up quitting. And she said, well, I thought, you know, this whole time when I ordered, when I got a trainer, I, I, I just thought things were gonna happen.
I didn't think I actually had to put in the effort. And I'm like, that's dumb thing I've ever heard in my life. I don't understand that.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah,
Caleb Wright: she just
Liz Herl: the weights up themselves.
Tim Caldwell: Know where that come, you know where that comes from is 'cause you can build a house in half an hour on dHY or DHTV or
Caleb Wright: D or yeah, whatever. I don't
Tim Caldwell: if everything, if everything comes to you, if everything comes to you in these encapsulated things, you know, I, I've been building my whole life and I [01:02:00] watch these shows and I see these people take this POS house into this mansion, and we did it all in an hour.
Well, that's where people think, no, dude, that took, that probably took a year to build, right? Mm-hmm. Mine, I always use, I like to coin the phrase future you, right? Mm-hmm. So when I'm talking to a client and they start discussing to me what they'd like to have, or I coax that out of them.
Like, pick a physique you like, pick somebody you like, it's not gonna be exact, but a body type, something you like, and let's work at that. I always say future you. Mm-hmm. Future you.
It will not be tomorrow. Mm-hmm. Can't promise you next week, but you know what, in three weeks, it's closer. In three months, it's even closer in a year. That person in the mirror is getting closer to the picture. Mm-hmm. And that's totally up to you.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, I think that's great. More can be said about that in life, right? So it's kinda like creating a vision board. I know the car I want to have one day, so it's like, I always look at the
Tim Caldwell: right. Vision boards.
Caleb Wright: you know, I know the house I want, so I'll always look at houses.
It's like, I actually don't have a vision board this year. I didn't [01:03:00] make one. I made a goal list. But I think it's really good for a vision board because it's like, you know, 10 years ago I wanted to look like what I look like right now, but now
Tim Caldwell: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: And I think like people set these goals and then they never revisit the goals.
I don't understand that. How do you know if you're going towards them if you never revisit them? It's like outta sight out mind, or we
Tim Caldwell: I'm a big believer in, yeah, I'm a big believer in compasses, right? How do I know where I'm going if I don't know where I am in which direction? Pick, take a calendar, for instance, I like short, medium, long goals. What's coming up in three months? Well, I got my brother's birthday. All right, your brother's birthdate.
Let's lose 12 pounds before your brother's birthday. I've got a wedding in six months. Cool. Let's lose 25 pounds before your, before your, whatever. Or I wanna be in a dress size, or I want to be in a, let's do it. What, what's stopping us find a dress that size, maybe not that dress. Buy it. Keep working until we're in it. Now, that will take some sacrifice, but I'm telling you, the reward will come at the [01:04:00] end. And that is if, if you can tighten your belt. So Liz understands my, my eating philosophy is I don't wanna turn you into a food monk, especially if you're not a, an athlete. If you're not an athlete or a performance type driven person, Monday through Friday, eat your meals as best you can. But you know what? Friday evening, have yourself something relaxed. Even a dessert,
maybe even Saturday morning. But after that you clean it back up, maybe skip a couple meals and then get right back on the horse and you will see there's always a reward at the end. You'll learn how to do that. But the big reward comes in the end and that's when people start to notice.
They go, wow, you look, you look great. Right? Things changed. Your shoulders. Your arms, your, and. I don't care how old you are, that applies. I have a client, her name's Nancy. She's 83. She's got fricking abs I envy. I mean, she's, she's rock hard. But she has a great story in her, her own life too because she lost her [01:05:00] husband essentially after a really tragic car accident.
And she broke her neck and she's got rods and she's been with a trainer for 17 years. She does it to stay alive. She keeps her mental, she keeps her physical, she keeps her functionality.
Caleb Wright: Movement is medicine
Tim Caldwell: it's medicine. The same goals I, put on a younger person, the same one I put on, what do you wanna do in a year?
Mm-hmm. Well, I wanna travel. Alright. We need to be able to put our luggage in an overhead. You need to be able to schlep that thing up as a flight of stairs.
You need to be able to do these things. Right. It's just motivation as far as I'm concerned.
Caleb Wright: No, I
Liz Herl: What is your age range?
Do you see anyone in the geriatric population? I mean, is it kind of all over the place?
Caleb Wright: Yeah, I don't really train anyone in the geriatric ger. I can't even talk right now. Geriatric population my trainers do a lot of that.
I, you know, it's not that I don't want to, it's just, it's not what lights me up. I like the younger crowd. I like more of the mentor aspect.
So about the highest I go is, you know, probably fifties because I still focus on, you know, what you can do with the geriatric too, like [01:06:00] building muscle, changing things. But I would say predominantly I'm like 20 to 35 range.
But I work with anybody, you know what I mean?
It's, it's you know, do you wanna get on stage? Do you have blood work problems? Are you trying to get un diabetic, you know what I mean? Or are you have gut related issues? Are you on PPIs and you wanna get off? It's like, I can do just about anything, but, you know, I just, I don't vibe as well. I love the geriatric community.
I love when they're in my gym, but it just doesn't get me excited when I
Liz Herl: No, no, that's fine.
Tim Caldwell: Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: I would do them a disservice if I took that client,
Tim Caldwell: yeah, my, no, I get it. My, my, I I, I agree too. I love people who are, especially younger than me, because they have so much to learn. Look, like I said, I've been doing this a long time. I used to train with top professional wrestlers, Olympic athletes, all of that stuff that's all great, but those kids don't know it.
You're not gonna get it off a YouTube thing. You gotta be in the presence of what does effort look like? That's, I've had more people come to me and they [01:07:00] train and I'm all, I'm all like, is that it? I mean, we just got started, bro. We, we just started to shimmer here. We need to. Let's pick something up heavy here,
like rowing. You know, there are times let's say I'm not motivated to work out. I will pick one exercise and I will rock my world on one exercise because that's the idea is you're putting maximum effort into these things. Let's say I want to work on thickness. Yeah. Let's say I wanna work on thickness.
Let's row, I wanna work on width. Let's, okay, we're gonna row, but we're gonna do more vertical stuff, however that works. But once I get going and I said, alright, this last set, we're gonna do a strip it, I want that stripped down, but we gotta get to a hundred.
And, you know, even top athletes go, that's kind of dumb, really. Is it kind of dumb? Because when I watch you clinging to the rails, when you're going down the stairs, you come back and tell me that was dumb because I'm,
I I haven't done this for 40 years because I'm [01:08:00] trying something. This works, bro. And it's, you gotta get the reps in, you gotta put the effort in.
And when you're gassed, when your lungs are about to pop and you're sweating like a whore in church, you need to be doing the effort. And when you're weak, your body doesn't know anything. It doesn't matter if it's a thousand pounds on your back or no pounds, you can't get up. Well, keep
Caleb Wright: No. And I, I, I call that a ball stack set, you know what I'm saying? Because you, you gotta reach down deep. But yeah. And I mean, training and doing stuff like that or, or just working out or, or bodybuilding, press, whatever I've done in the past, it's like, it's done so much for me in business, not to make me money, but to like be headstrong and understand that like, wow, this really sucks right now.
Or, this is really hard, but like, we're gonna get through it, type of thing. And I truly don't think I would be where I am in life if, like, it wasn't for, for bodybuilding teaching me the mental side.
And just being able to persevere mentally
Tim Caldwell: day is different. Every day is [01:09:00] different. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: Every day.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. I mean, I do this exercise all the time. Today is not the day.
Caleb Wright: Yeah.
You know, my wife, it's like, we talk about this all the time 'cause my wife is she, she's an extreme couponer, right? So she loves, I. The, the quick turnaround. Versus I'm more willing to like sit on something, you know, I'll buy some equipment and sell it, and I'm okay with like spending two grand to make five grand, but it may take me a year and a half, you know?
Or like when we opened these gyms, you know, we poured everything. We had bank accounts, maxed out credit cards, we opened it up. We were making really good money, spin it all to
Tim Caldwell: Broke.
Caleb Wright: you know what I'm saying? Making really good money, spin it all to open up another,
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: You know, and it was like, that was in the midst of having our daughter, right? So, and you know, we're two years in, we're to having two facilities. Were still learning. You know, the things that worked for number one didn't work for number two, you have to learn the hard way. You know, that facility lost money for a year. It is what it is and it's like, you know, it's [01:10:00] like, dude, I signed a seven year contract out there.
It's not like I can just give up, you know, I put my truck down as collateral. I put my wife's car down as collateral, so it's like, we gotta get through this. I don't have a plan B. My plan B is making more money, maybe. I
Liz Herl: Good. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: And we have to figure this out.
And if it wasn't for bodybuilding, I don't know. I don't know if I would do that. But, you know, my personality has kind of always towed the line. Like, I'm that person that's like, Hey, don't cross this line. Like, I'm probably gonna cross it.
Liz Herl: Right. Oh, that's, yeah.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. my my Facebook picture is actually a bird who has his foot in the
Caleb Wright: Yeah,
Tim Caldwell: it's me. I got my foot in the water.
Caleb Wright: I like to push boundaries. I like to see how far I can push people, what I can get away with. You know, that's probably my best and worst personality trait.
Liz Herl: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: And at the end of the day, I just, I just don't care. I'm just, I wanna do what I wanna do. You know, with respect to other people, it's not
Liz Herl: Yeah. Yeah. Respectfully. Sure.
Caleb Wright: But this is my dream. This is what I wanna do, and as long as my wife supports it,
I'm [01:11:00] going,
Tim Caldwell: That's good. That's great. That's excellent.
Caleb Wright: And it's like once I, and, you know, opening up and I, one of my mentors right now is actually my best friend and, you know, he's, he's an entrepreneur himself. And we, we kind of fell into our relationship, like as I was getting into my second location and, you know, when I signed papers on this location, I only had 30 grand in the bank.
And I'm like, I don't know what a lot of people know about opening facilities, but like,
Liz Herl: Oh, yeah.
Caleb Wright: 30 grand ain't a lot of money when you gotta do
Liz Herl: even remotely. Nope.
Caleb Wright: and buy equipment.
And, you know, it's like, how are we gonna get this done? I don't regret opening that location, but I should have waited longer.
And that's why I say the learning curve, right? And it's like opening the second one is the hardest thing you'll ever do. And then it's like, I'm already looking forward to opening my third. My wife isn't because she knows how hard two was, but like, I see everything we did wrong with number two, when I wanna rectify it with number three.
You know, I think that's entrepreneurship. You have to be wired differently. You have to go against the grain. You have to be willing to [01:12:00] get your face right against the gravel. Get up and
Tim Caldwell: Ask
Caleb Wright: alright, let's do it again. Let's go again.
Tim Caldwell: And ask for help.
Yeah. Sometimes you gotta ask for help. Well,
Caleb Wright: You know, and
Tim Caldwell: do, and it's okay.
Caleb Wright: and that's like a man.
And like, I've broken down and cried all my life. Like, dude, sometimes you just don't know what you're gonna do and you figure it out.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: know, sometimes you wanna burn it all down and get a real job and it's like, wow, I'd be miserable.
Liz Herl: yes.
Caleb Wright: You know,
Liz Herl: feel the same way. Yes.
Caleb Wright: There's so many things for it. And then on top of that, it's like I, I'm also running a coaching business
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: you know, it, it's a lot of work, but it's really rewarding.
Opening number two was like, so I was making payments on my equipment.
My equipment guy files bankruptcy a month before I open. I have to haul butt down with three trucks to get my equipment that I already paid for before the bank comes and seizes it from ' em.
Liz Herl: Oh my
Caleb Wright: You know, it's just like, there's so many things, like anything and everything that you guys could have imagined,
Liz Herl: Could go wrong. Went wrong. Sure.
Caleb Wright: We, we failed inspection, you know, [01:13:00] and we had to get that fixed. And I mean, there was just so many things and it's like, I just can't wait to rectify it again. Even my wife doesn't want to.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sure.
Yeah.
Caleb Wright: But yeah, man, it's insane. So it's like, I really attribute bodybuilding to like the mental side of just persevering and
Liz Herl: Yes. Perseverance.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, you know, I wrestled in middle school, I was not good, you know what I mean? Because like, I'm a bigger guy and I'm strong, but I'm honestly not super agile. But one thing that always stuck with me from my coach at that time, is just winner gets to do another, you know what I mean?
So we would start the lowest weight class and you would wrestle the next weight class. And whoever won, got to go to the next weight class. And it's like, sometimes you get guys that are like one 30, they're wrestling 200 pound dudes and it's like, hey, winner gets to do another.
It's like, and that's really applicable in life because it doesn't matter how small, how big. If you keep wanting to go, if you have the attitude, let's go. You know what I mean? It doesn't matter how tired you are, how broke you are, all these things. Are you homeless? Are you not homeless? It's like, what?
Seven years ago, my wife and I were on WIC and food stamps, and our phones were [01:14:00] getting shut off. And it's like, now we had three businesses. It's like, could I have easily shut, shut down and become a victim and just sat in the system a hundred percent. But it's like, what's the joy in that like. I wanna build my own destiny.
And I think that's one of the things I love about entrepreneurship is that like, dude, you can't cat me. Like I'm only cat by what I wanna
Liz Herl: Nice. Mm-hmm. Yes.
Caleb Wright: My possibilities are limitless, right? I can do whatever I wanna do.
Tim Caldwell: That's
Caleb Wright: I can grow what I want.
Tim Caldwell: That's good.
Caleb Wright: You know, I could live the rest of my life making the same amount of money I do now, which is okay, I can have a good life, or I can do 10 times more.
It's like, it's just really up to what I wanna do which is fantastic and detrimental at the same
Liz Herl: a, it's a hard balance, right? It's hard balance, because I think everything you're saying there is tenacity and grit and grind and willing to go and literally, you know, rub your face into asphalt over and over again. Yeah. Because it really resonates I think with all of us, and I know it just resonates with me as any new [01:15:00] option.
I was just sharing with Tim right before we started. I'm like, I was thinking about writing a book and he kind of rolleds his eyes, like, I have time for that because there's so many, I have a private practice and we have the podcast, and then we're, we have, we're working with genuine effort. There's just so much going on.
Right. Just, but I am very much of that same vein as I believe Tim is as well. Like, there's no, there's no stopping you, but you. And
I, that's the biggest thing. I think it's the healthiest way to really think, because you're right. You can come from whatever situation you're in now, and the only person that keeps you there is you.
And, and as we're getting ready to kind of wrap up here, I wanted to ask you a couple things. You mentioned the spiritual, and I call it spiritual wellness. Around that, do you incorporate that in your gym? And then how do you balance that with your own individual mental health?
It's a lot for you, I think that you kind of go into, I, I've kind of heard you say with the body building and, and all of those aspects kind of help balance that out. But how do you make time for yourself to rebalance yourself and make time for you and your wife and your family?
How do you do all that?
Caleb Wright: [01:16:00] Yeah, honestly, I'm not very good at it. You know,
The spiritual thing, I, I don't incorporate it a ton into my gym. I'm always down to talk about it if you're down to talk about it. I'm not overly vocal about it, but I don't shy away from it.
You know, politics, it's one, you know, kind of on that, like, I'll talk about it, but like, I'm not gonna come out and just start my conversation with it, you know what I mean? Because this may sound awful, but not everyone wants to hear about my views, and that's okay. I
Liz Herl: Yes. Now that's true.
Caleb Wright: you wanna talk about views?
I'll talk views. I feel like I'm maybe not the best person to talk to spiritually because I, I'm still trying to get back into it and learn it myself and be better. So it's like, maybe what I'm gonna say is wrong. I try to do the best I can, you know what I'm saying?
As far as like making time, my wife and I and my family go to church on Sundays. Making time for my wife, like, we do the best we can. We just had a date night this weekend. But,
Tim Caldwell: Good.
Caleb Wright: you know, we're always like, we're gonna do one date night a month. And it's like, it turns into once a quarter.
You know, because it's like we have two kids. We, you know, we have this going on on the weekend, that going on the weekend we have to find a babysitter and it's like. Sometimes I don't see my kids as much as I [01:17:00] want to. So then we also wanna hang out as a family. You know, where it's like, Hey, let's go to dinner Friday night.
Well, I don't even get home till six 30 by the time we like get down and, you know, go somewhere it's too late. Or like, let's go Saturday. It's like, well we have plans on Saturday.
So sometimes it is really hard. So, I always make fun of my wife for this, but we are like habitual travelers, like we travel a lot.
And that comes down to my wife and I, I always joke with her that she's spending too much money, but my wife loves to travel. I love to travel, but if it wasn't for her, I wouldn't travel
Liz Herl: Yeah. Right, right.
Caleb Wright: I'm work obsessed. So that's kind of becomes like our time together is our, is our traveling. We try to get date nights in there.
So like we went to Cancun for spring saw that. Yeah.
Yeah, we're about to go to, well, we go to St. Louis for some shows this weekend, but next weekend we'll go to Indiana, visit my grandma. You know, a few weeks after that we're gonna go to DC with some of our friends for like an anniversary trip. We're taking [01:18:00] our kids to Disney.
About a month after that we're going to, me and her are with our same friend group. We're going to Paris. So we try to travel a lot together. Is it the smartest use of finances, you know? No, but at the end of the day, we're not going into debt to travel and we get to experience a lot together.
And that's our big thing is how many experiences can we have together? Because God forbid I die when I'm 43,
you know, nine years from now. Is she gonna remember the Louis Vuitton bag I bought or is she gonna remember the time where we're flying to Disney World? My son's puking and I'm
Tim Caldwell: Yes. That's right. That's the that's
Caleb Wright: across an aisle, and then now she has to puke and
Tim Caldwell: right. That's the, that's
Caleb Wright: Over my arm holding her puke bag and I'm
Liz Herl: Yes. That is gorgeous though. I,
Caleb Wright: shit. Like, how do we even survive this? You know? Or it's like gonna Vegas with our friends,
leaving a show, taking the wrong way, ending up on the backside of the strip
Tim Caldwell: yeah,
Caleb Wright: and having, having to walk
Tim Caldwell: Seriously.
[01:19:00] Shady area. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: two miles to it wasn't, no, it wasn't shady.
It was just like, we were, like, we were trying to go to this tram to get back to our hotel and we went the wrong way. We had to walk two
Tim Caldwell: yeah, yeah. Oh,
Caleb Wright: and her, and our, her and my, my, it was actually my training partner, his wife too. They're in high heels and they're complaining
Liz Herl: Oh, sure.
Caleb Wright: I had a, I was like, I had a broken foot.
Like I dropped a Smith machine on my foot the day before we left and we're walking 20,000 steps.
You know what I mean? So there we're just like, you know, those are the things that we remember.
Tim Caldwell: I tell people all the time, there's nothing like an adventure. And I would rather you not buy things than go on an adventure. But you'll never forget, you will never forget the bad ones. Never those the best ones
Caleb Wright: even like when you have your kids and it's like stressful, it's like changing my daughter's diaper in the back of the SUV and it smells so bad that my son almost pus.
Tim Caldwell: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I,
Caleb Wright: but now it's hilarious,
Tim Caldwell: I can tell you stories about camping as a kid, 10 days up in Saratoga Springs above tree line. It's zero, [01:20:00] no fire for 10 days. I mean, a stuck it was horrible.
But one thing I, one thing
I do want to get back to Caleb is, is just that miracle of being a business owner. Isn't it wonderful? And that's, that's where I get into the that's, it must, must have missed that memo.
That's where I want to get into the. There was a time in my life when I got a lot of, and you'll hear it too, must be nice, right? I've always had nice cars, I've always had this, I've always had that. One thanksgiving my brothers, I'm from a big family. My brothers gave me this must be nice about a hundred times.
And I was sick of it. I had driven from Kansas City where I finished my degree to Colorado. And I held court and I told them, you know what, nobody gave me those things. Nobody gave me that car. I built it. Nobody gave me what I have my suits, my card. And I bought that stuff. I worked my
whole life. And this is the point I wanna make about being a business owner is that whether you own a business [01:21:00] or you're in a business working for somebody else, you're always working for someone. This is, this is the point where people say, well, I want to quit my job and go on and do this. Okay, great. But don't leave what you have until you have a place to land.
Don't do that because very few people, people like you and I, we're, we're a bit different. I mean, I've, I've taken risks, I've taken risks that are just stupid, but I, I believed I could do it right. Spent my last dollar of taking my family out to dinner, even though I couldn't pay rent, but I knew the good Lord would provide, right?
It's not just faith, it's, I knew this would happen. I, I can make money else. So always taking adventure, but I don't wanna lose, I don't wanna lose
sight of the fact that your, your worth is not in your job. Your worth is in what you do and accomplish and serve people, right? And it doesn't matter whether you're putting tires on cars or putting roofs on homes or helping people in a gym. [01:22:00] We serve so that people can have things and we provided that service. Be good at it. Be really good
Caleb Wright: yeah, no, I agree.
Tim Caldwell: And bring somebody up too. Right. Bring that your education experience. You bring up that young person and they learn how to do that too.
Caleb Wright: Yeah. And you get that a lot, you know, the must be nice. And it's like, you know, we hear that 'cause it's like we have the two facilities and it's like, dude, it wasn't, it wasn't nice when I was like completely broke and I had zero money and I still owed like 40 grand on equipment. You know, it wasn't nice when my son was born and our phones got shut off 'cause it was like, buy food or pay the phone bill.
You know, when I first started my training business, my first paycheck was $6
and I was at the gym 70 hours that week, and I only got paid on commission. So it's like, and my wife was nine months pregnant at the time and it took three months of growing my PT business before we could even pay our bills, you know, and it's like, people don't even, people see what we have now and it's like, oh, the gyms must be doing great, dude.
You guys don't even know that. Like,
Liz Herl: What it took
Caleb Wright: I'm [01:23:00] five years in business and I don't even take money from my gyms
Liz Herl: Right,
Tim Caldwell: yeah. That's right. Yeah,
Caleb Wright: it's all recycled back right now because we're growing and it's like, you don't understand my business lost money for a year.
You know, you don't understand that. Like, to, to pay people cost me $2,000 in taxes and payroll fees, you know what I mean?
To just get my taxes filed is three grand plus what I owe.
You know, it's like, it's, it's just crazy. And it's like, you know, I, I'm blessed that I've built, I've built a six figure coaching business online and like that's what I provide my family for. The gyms will produce the money that we need one day, but it's like right now they're in a growing phase and we need to recycle the money back.
So it's like when you see what I have in my life, don't talk shit about my gyms, that's my coaching business. And guess what,
That's my full-time job outside of the gyms and it's brutal. Like you [01:24:00] guys don't understand it. I mean, I mean I know you guys do, but
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Caleb Wright: you know, it's just crazy.
'cause you hear that a lot and it's like, the only difference was is that, you know, let's say I was 24 or what was I, 26 I think, when I started my training business. And there's a guy who goes here now who, he knew me when I first started. He is like, dude, you always said you're gonna own a gym. I was like, that's right.
I told you I was gonna own a gym and you guys didn't believe me.
And it's like, the only difference is that I believed in what I wanted
Tim Caldwell: There you go. Yeah.
Caleb Wright: go, and I was willing to go there. You know, I'm only 34. I can imagine what it's like to be, you know, 54 or 60 or 64. But like I can imagine, I feel the exact same way mentally at 34 as I did at 24.
The only
Tim Caldwell: too. Yeah. I know
Caleb Wright: outward appearance. right.
You know, I have a little saggier eyes and I started my skincare, you know what I mean? Because I don't wanna look, too much older than my wife. But the only difference was, is that I was willing to take the risk and you weren't.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, that's exactly right.
Caleb Wright: It's like.
Tim Caldwell: To finish the thought I was gonna say is with my brothers is for every bill you have, I got 10. Mm-hmm. For [01:25:00] every dollar you pay, I pay a hundred. Don't tell me. Must be nice. Be because I'm the one who socks every freaking dollar away. When I had my clinic there, I never got paid everybody that I only made money to keep the doors open until it flipped, and then I started making money. But
Caleb Wright: I mean, let's look at some of the, the biggest businesses, Nike. I mean, they failed for how long, you know what I mean? Amazon was ran, was, I mean, they lost millions and millions years in a row.
And it's like, you know, it is just crazy, man. It just, I'm not a pioneer, right? But I'm willing to get my face rates across the
Liz Herl: you have that spirit. You have that spirit. Right. I
Caleb Wright: me.
And that's what I pride myself.
Liz Herl: Yeah.
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
Liz Herl: Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: And you know what? It must be nice. That I wake up at 5:00 AM to get my cardio done, to start working before my kids get up so I can take care of, I can get them fed, my wife helps me get 'em dressed. I take my son to school and then guess what?
I come right back to work, and then I'm gonna work till seven o'clock, and then sometimes I work till 10 o'clock.
Tim Caldwell: [01:26:00] Yep,
Caleb Wright: Is that nice? No, because like when you, oh, this drives me
Tim Caldwell: Yeah, that's my, yeah, that Me too. Me too. That's my, that's my Batman mentality. Right. So I'm up at 2 45 meal prepping, but I'm in the gym. You know, Jocko Willick always says, you know, I'm in the gym at 4:00 AM Well, Jocko, I left the lights on, so I just want you to know that I'm there doing my Batman thing where the rest of the world sleeps.
So that when I know, and I wanted to share with you is why we do this in the gym is because at 60, at 70. My dad's 97 this year. Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: Oh wow.
Tim Caldwell: year. He's a flat belied, hard charger. He works every day splitting wood. That's his life still. But my thing in the gym will still be when I'm 70 and 80, is everybody will go, damn, that old dude can still push some weight.
Right? He actually looks really good.
Caleb Wright: Yep,
Tim Caldwell: I'm not doing that for pride. I'm doing that because, yeah, I could show you guys some something. It's nothing. It's not, it's nothing more than, I will always be competitive. I [01:27:00] will always be, but it's in a very healthy way.
I'll ask you questions. Feel free to ask me mine.
That's how we get along. That's the fellowship, right? A, it's a brother. It's this brotherhood of iron, right? This is the stuff that we, we used to have, you know, back in the seventies and eighties and nineties when we were training. We even born then. Whatever. But the whole, you can dry. No,
I wasn't, I was born. I know neither one of you were, but you know, I was
Liz Herl: born in the, I'm not gonna tell you where I was. Nevermind.
Tim Caldwell: I was in the heyday when we used to go to Santa Monica and buy baggies and hang out and talk to all the, rich Gasper and all these guys used to come in.
We'd train at the old worlds near the old Gold's Gym, you know, there was just a shit hole. And those were the days. It's cool to kind of re reminisce and tell stories like that, but only people who understand the, the gym Disneys and the bodybuilding part of that. There's a thousand stories that go with that, and we'll, we'll, we'll talk about that another time, but man, I really appreciate you taking time with us.
And the idea, the [01:28:00] whole idea about talking about all this stuff is we wanna explore, we want people to understand that gyms aren't just gyms. This is where you get your head, you get your body right. Right. And this is where you get business, lots of people say that many contracts are, they're not signing a boardroom, they're signed on the golf course.
Mm-hmm.
Well, this is where work gets done too. Mm-hmm. Is you can, you can make plans, you can reminisce, you can communicate while you're on the treadmill. You can do all that stuff in the presence of this comfort zone, which we consider to be at a gym. But,
Caleb Wright: Yeah. Well, and you make the best relationships, I think, in the gym because, you know, the gym business, I mean, we're entrepreneurship as a whole, it never stops, right? Like I work on vacation, you know, I worked in Cancun, I worked in an airport. It never stops. But like, also like, look at some of the greatest relationships in the world.
You know, you want to think about, people think, think of military, right? Like the friendships bonded in military. So it's like when you go through something hard together that builds [01:29:00] friendships, that builds lifelong connections. Like
Tim Caldwell: Yeah. A, a network, a network.~ ~
Caleb Wright: my training partner and I, you know, we got so close, so fast because of training and the pain.
And it's like when you see someone who's willing to work hard in a gym, they probably, nine times outta 10, they work pretty hard in the rest of their
Liz Herl: Yeah. Yes, right? Mm-hmm.
Caleb Wright: Now there are the outliers who don't.
But it's like you, you build that comradery and that relationship and that trust through doing something hard.
You know, we're like making a list of like how cool to be if like, we stop wanting to body build one day, just work out. But like we make this list of like really hard shit like climbing Mount Kilimanjaro or, you know what I mean? Just like something hard that like constantly tests yourself because it's like if you're not growing, you're dying.
If you're not moving forward, you're moving backwards.
Tim Caldwell: That's right.
Caleb Wright: what, what's the next challenge? And it's like, how can we help people? How can we challenge ourselves?
And how can we serve people? I think those are [01:30:00] the three. If you can have those three pillars in your life, I think you'll find a pretty fulfilling life.
Tim Caldwell: agreed. Coming from a military background, I can tell you one of the most this has to do with all aspects of life, family, friends everybody in your life is in the military mentality, especially for the Marines. If you will, just look to the person to the left of you and make sure that he's taken care of and you look to the right of you.
Make sure that he's taken care of you, and each of those people do the same. You form this network that is impenetrable, one guy is not going to break this line. We are a line, we are one big line. That's how, that's how we do this stuff. This is why the gym is important. You know, when a guy doesn't show up, you call him.
Where you been? What have you been doing? What, what's the deal? I've been sick. I've been Well, I'm looking forward to you. Right? Everybody's asking for you.
Caleb Wright: Yeah, we do that here and it goes a long ways and
That's why a lot of marriages fail nowadays. 'cause they stop serving each other.
Tim Caldwell: That's right. Right. Absolutely.
Liz Herl: I just want to put down how people that any of our listeners or [01:31:00] viewers listen to us, how do they find your gyms and connect with you so they can find you on social media.
Caleb Wright: yeah, you can get us on social media. So my personal is gonna be blank Slate Fitness 91.
You know, the website's just blank slate fitness.com. And then for our gyms, you know, we're in Overland Park, Kansas and Lee Summit Missouri. Our Instagram's gonna be at Body Shop Gym in training. I, I wanna say it's underscore kc.
Yeah. And then our website is body shop-kc.com. I always get 'em confused.
Yeah, come out, check us out. You know, we love having new people out. We love, talking shop training just helping, you know what I
Tim Caldwell: yeah, let's find some time. Next time we're up there. Let's all go to dinner.
Liz Herl: Yeah,
Caleb Wright: If you can just give us a heads up, we can get
Liz Herl: Oh, yes. Oh, definitely. So, oh yeah, yeah. no. Must us
Caleb Wright: You live and die by the Google Calendar.
Tim Caldwell: Hey, man, God bless. Thanks for everything.
Caleb Wright: yeah. I appreciate you guys. You ever wanna hand me back on, talk about whatever
Tim Caldwell: Yeah.
I would love to you, you, you have a site too, right? Don't you? You have a podcast? No
Caleb Wright: yeah, I mean it's under food, fitness, family. We're not on it anymore. We were doing it [01:32:00] weekly and then we both had babies within six weeks of each other.
And then we, between our babies and we got, we picked up so much 'cause that we had literally within three months I opened the second gym. I had my baby.
He had his baby and he hired a trainer for his team. 'cause he has an online business as well. Like, we both just got so busy we couldn't even find time to like fit it in our weekly schedule.
Tim Caldwell: sweat man.
Trust me. We'll, we'll get back together. We'll have some more conversation.
Liz Herl: Yeah, we'll be in
Caleb Wright: yeah. For sure.
Tim Caldwell: Thanks, man.
Caleb Wright: you guys. Thank
Tim Caldwell: you. ~ ~
Bye-Bye.