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You know that sinking feeling when you wake up with a hangover and think: “I’m never doing this again”? We’ve all been there. But what happens when you follow through? Sonia Kahlon and Kathleen Killen can tell you, because they did it! They went from sisters-in-law, to Sisters in Sobriety.
In this podcast, Sonia and Kathleen invite you into their world, as they navigate the ups and downs of sobriety, explore stories of personal growth and share their journey of wellness and recovery.
Get ready for some real, honest conversations about sobriety, addiction, and everything in between. Episodes will cover topics such as: reaching emotional sobriety, how to make the decision to get sober, adopting a more mindful lifestyle, socializing without alcohol, and much more.
Whether you’re sober-curious, seeking inspiration and self-care through sobriety, or embracing the alcohol-free lifestyle already… Tune in for a weekly dose of vulnerability, mutual support and much needed comic relief. Together, let’s celebrate the transformative power of sisterhood in substance recovery!
Kathleen Killen is a registered psychotherapist (qualifying) and certified coach based in Ontario, Canada. Her practice is centered on relational therapy and she specializes in couples and working with individuals who are navigating their personal relationships.
Having been through many life transitions herself, Kathleen has made it her mission to help others find the support and communication they need in their closest relationships. To find out more about Kathleen’s work, check out her website.
Sonia Kahlon is a recovery coach and former addict. She grappled with high-functioning alcohol use disorder throughout her life, before getting sober in 2016. Sonia is now the founder of EverBlume, a digital tool that offers a unique approach to alcohol recovery support.
Over the last five years, she has appeared on successful sobriety platforms, such as the Story Exchange, the Sobriety Diaries podcast and the Sober Curator, to tell her story of empowerment and addiction recovery, discuss health and midlife sobriety, and share how she is thriving without alcohol.
Her online platform EverBlume launched in February 2023, and was featured in Recovery Today Magazine and deemed an ‘essential sobriety resource’ by the FemTech Insider.
The company champions self-improvement and mindful sobriety, with support groups designed by and for women struggling with alcohol.
So how can EverBlume help you meet your sober community? By offering deeply personalized support. Members get matched based on their profiles and life experiences, and take part in small group sessions (max. 16 people). In your support group, you will meet like-minded women, discuss your experiences, and gain confidence, knowing you can rely on your peers in times of need.
Whether you identify as a binge drinker, someone who developed a habit during the Covid-19 pandemic, a high-functioning alcoholic, or an anxious person using alcohol to self-soothe… There is a support group for you!
Current EverBlume members have praised the company’s unique approach to alcohol detox. “No one is judging me for not being sure I want to be sober for the rest of my life” ; “I felt so heard and understood and today I woke up feeling empowered to make the change in my life”.
Feeling inspired? Learn more about the EverBlume sobriety community at joineverblume.com, or simply listen to Sisters In Sobriety.
Your sobriety success story starts today, with Kathleen and Sonia. Just press play!
[00:00:00] Sonia/Kathleen: Welcome to another episode of Sisters in Sobriety. Today, we're thrilled to have a special guest with us, [00:01:00] Lorena Christine. She's a remarkable voice in the world of personal transformation. Not only is she a podcast But also a mentor, motivational speaker, and coach dedicated to helping people break free of their limiting beliefs, manifest abundance, and step into their true purpose.
[00:01:17] Sonia/Kathleen: Through her work, she empowers others to overcome obstacles like the Good Girl Act, perfectionism, and self sabotage, guiding them towards alignment and authenticity. Her journey through sobriety has been nothing short of inspiring, and today,
[00:01:30] Sonia/Kathleen: She'll share her insights on topics ranging from the law of assumption, the law of attraction to the importance of nourishing our bodies through movement, breath work, and mindful routines. Let's dive into her story, her podcast and the incredible work she does to help others transform their lives.
[00:01:46] Sonia/Kathleen: Welcome.
[00:01:48] Lorina: Thank you. I'm so excited to be here and thank you so much for such an amazing intro.
[00:01:52] Sonia/Kathleen: So, so let's start off with, can you share your journey to sobriety and how it has shaped your life?
[00:01:58] Lorina: Yeah, amazing. Oh [00:02:00] my gosh, I'm like, where do we start? It's such a journey. so I guess what kind of started it is I grew up with alcohol being present in my family. I saw, People drinking was the norm and I grew up with that same notion. So, in college drinking was quite normal, started drinking quite young and I didn't really know any different.
[00:02:20] Lorina: And I didn't really realize how much I was drinking in a sense until I think a few years ago when I started really realizing that it wasn't really serving me anymore. Um, you know, I, I was noticing that I was using wine as a crutch for emotion when I was having a hard time. it was turning from that fun aspect of going out with people and drinking that into.
[00:02:44] Lorina: It started becoming a little bit more of like, okay, I've had a bad day, a little bit more wine, a little bit more wine here. And I really noticed it as well. Like I'm sure many people during lockdown, that's when I really started noticing the patterns of drinking, you know, when you're forced to be inside more and, and that as well.[00:03:00]
[00:03:00] Lorina: Um, so I started questioning things a little bit more around that time and it wasn't until, so I've been, I've just hit my one year mark recently, actually. So I'm about 15 months now. and it's been just over two years of this sober curious journey. So I would say it was a few months, before I would say probably January, 2022, I really started looking at, okay, something's got to change.
[00:03:21] Lorina: I was in denial a bit. it's a big change. I think when you're like, okay, I need to like actually admit this about myself, that things are not going right. You know, I need to really reevaluate my relationship with alcohol. And also there's like this identity around. Who am I going to be if I actually completely give up alcohol?
[00:03:39] Lorina: Right. Am I going to be boring the people I hang out with? Cause I was the wine girl. Like everyone knew me as like loves her wine. So that was a big shift for me. So I started small. I think in January, 2021, actually I did my first 30 day sober January, dry January. And, yeah, really when it really went well and I felt amazing.
[00:03:58] Lorina: But I was excited to get [00:04:00] back into the drinking. I was like, okay, I've done my 30 days time to go back in. And I remember someone said to me at the time, they're like, when are you going to stop being so boring? And when are you going to drink again? And that was a really eye opener. Yeah. Of like, how much people are brainwashed into, this romanticized, um, way around alcohol.
[00:04:17] Lorina: So yeah, it was about a year later. I'd say it was February, 2022. I really started questioning things and it wasn't until June, 2022 that I actually decided to go, um, again, dabble into the, 30 days, 30 days. And then I went longer, I went three months, I went longer. And that year I'd say I hardly drank at all, maybe just a few times.
[00:04:37] Lorina: And then last May, 2023, I decided to go all in. And I was like, These patterns that I have because I'm an all or nothing kind of person and that definitely showed up in my drinking as well. And, um, you know, I was never a one glass kind of person. It could start that way, but then within a month I noticed patterns were picking back up.
[00:04:53] Lorina: And I just said, what is the point of this? it's not making me happy. It's affecting my mindset. It was making me feel really [00:05:00] negative, really down, um, slightly depressed. It was affecting my business as well. I felt like I wasn't able to get ahead in my business with that creativity and You know just having I was tired on a night out and all these kind of things So I just decided as someone who is really into wellness who talks about this all the time I felt like that was one missing piece of fully embodying that and Yeah, once I gave it up fully like it was just the best choice.
[00:05:25] Lorina: I've never felt better I definitely will say there were challenges along the way, you know It's not this easy all of a sudden your joy isn't happy like that I had a bit of a dark night of the soul. I had to look at a lot of old patterns that I had emotions, limiting beliefs that I'd never really dealt with because of alcohol.
[00:05:41] Lorina: Right. So I definitely went through a phase of, um, self isolation for a few months where I really went inward, did a lot of inner healing work, which I really needed and a lot of healing. Um, and yeah, through that process, I would say like, Now, after one year, I really feel like I'm in this place of feeling grounded and feeling confident in this identity as [00:06:00] someone who just doesn't drink now and really owning it, where for a while I was still like, is this something I want to continue for the longterm?
[00:06:06] Lorina: What does this look like? Where now I'm like, you know what, I have never felt better. I feel amazing. I've got so much energy. There's no negatives behind it. And um, yeah, just really owning it. And it's something that I just feel so grateful that I've been able to bring into my life. And it's something that.
[00:06:23] Lorina: I just, I want more people to know about as well that, like, it, it, there is so much joy and happiness on the other side of it as well. And there's no downside to it.
[00:06:32] Sonia/Kathleen: I was the same way where I didn't know, what was my identity without alcohol and, and also, yeah, just making that decision. Other than that, how did you shift? The way you socialized and was that the challenge like in early sobriety?
[00:06:45] Lorina: Um, you know what it was in a way. And it wasn't because I think, cause I had just moved to Scotland actually at the time, not long before that I would say, had I done it earlier, it would have been because when I was living in London, I was living, I was hanging out with a lot of people who were [00:07:00] much more in a drinking environment.
[00:07:01] Lorina: So I think that probably had a lot of impact on why I didn't do it sooner. Um, but when I was moved up to Scotland and I was still new and meeting people, there was a lot more space to be. Who am I, who do I want to show up as? So I was still meeting people and going out for drinks, but I had more friends who were in that space of not drinking so much.
[00:07:20] Lorina: And I actually realized when I stopped drinking that I thought everyone was drinking around the same amount as I was, but that was just, I realized how much I was drinking more than people when I stopped. So yeah, I'm a very social outgoing person. So I was like, great, how can I make the most of this?
[00:07:33] Lorina: So I actually started, a group in Edinburgh when I had just moved there around. Women who were more into wellness activities was like guys, this is what i'm doing I want to meet people who want to do different activities because I think a lot of people are scared to Take alcohol over their lives because they're like what am I going to do for fun?
[00:07:49] Lorina: But actually there are so many incredible things to do for fun that don't involve alcohol, right? And you really get to decide I think What do I actually like doing? What are the things that I really [00:08:00] love doing that don't involve going to a bar, that don't involve going out and, to a party and drinking or, um, so it's really a great self exploration time as well, I think.
[00:08:09] Sonia/Kathleen: how did your perspective on life change when you stopped drinking? Yeah,
[00:08:17] Lorina: that I really saw how twisted that we've all been brainwashed into thinking that alcohol is this. thing we need. And I went deep into all the sobriety books and the alcohol free books as well, which were so great. And I'm so glad I read them because it really helped to along the journey.
[00:08:34] Lorina: But you know, it talks about, how alcohol is the one drug that people actually look at you funny if you're like, no, I don't do it. But if you say you don't smoke, no one's like, why? Right. Or if you don't do cocaine, for instance, they're like, why? It's like, but, and yeah, so I think that was really an interesting shift.
[00:08:50] Lorina: And I think just realizing how much better I felt noticing my skin cleared up my energy levels, how, um, the biggest one I noticed for me was [00:09:00] anxiety. So I always thought that I was someone who struggled with anxiety. I thought I just had general anxiety disorder. I used to struggle sometimes with panic attacks when I was in a stressful nine to five.
[00:09:10] Lorina: And when I got rid of alcohol, I'd say after really after a month and a half, I was just like,I still get anxiety, of course, but it's more because there's a legit reason behind it. Um, so that was probably one of my biggest realizations. And now that's instilled that thing of like, you know what, why would I go back to that?
[00:09:26] Lorina: Why would I put myself through that feeling just for a bit of perceived fun or to have a drink or anything like that. So that's been, I think one of the biggest changes is seeing all the positive wellness benefits from it hugely.
[00:09:41] Sonia/Kathleen: so what role did manifesting play in your recovery process?
[00:09:47] Lorina: I would say that my manifestation game definitely went up because we manifest from a place of, self belief, self worth, also our vibration, our emotions, [00:10:00] and alcohol really brings you down, right? It's, it's a lower vibrational thing. and it, it can make you feel, down, it can make you feel a bit depressed.
[00:10:09] Lorina: It can make you feel not confident as well. Cause a lot of people also drink, to feel confident when they're in social settings. Right. And, and when I noticed that alcohol was gone and I was really rebuilding myself, once I found my feet and really stepped into this identity of who it is, my confidence went up, my self worth went up.
[00:10:26] Lorina: Yeah. I was feeling good all the time. It was just easy to naturally get into this high state where I was like, Oh, okay, this is normal. I don't need like something to bring me up. That essentially just brings you down later. So yeah, I feel like I just became a lot more like magnetic in that sense of, vibrating at a much higher rate and really feeling into that worthiness of like, no, I'm worthy around having the desires that I want to have.
[00:10:50] Sonia/Kathleen: So you mentioned when you stopped drinking, a lot of your limiting beliefs came up. how did you overcome those?
[00:10:58] Lorina: Yeah, so [00:11:00] like I said, I think that's something that a lot of people or it's not talked about enough is that those emotions can come up things that maybe you haven't dealt with in the past because a lot of people do drink or maybe don't even realize they're doing it. But to suppress certain emotions, right?
[00:11:14] Lorina: There's discomfort. We're not processing our emotions. We're not taught to do that, right? Some people, whether it's like it could be shopping, it could be eating, overeating, or, it's like a distraction. So alcohol is that for some people and that's how it was for me as well. So when I pulled alcohol away, there was all this things around, okay, I really need to start looking.
[00:11:31] Lorina: Why do I feel that way? What does that come to? So yeah, I did a lot of deeper, like shadow work, inner work as well. And it really helped me to move through and bring awareness and consciousness to those living beliefs. Understanding them having compassion for that inner child part of myself and start to rework through those as well So that looked like a lot of journaling self reflection a lot of doing like guided hypnosis as well, Just doing different visualizations And just having a lot of [00:12:00] meditation and a lot of patience and self love That was a really big one because honoring yourself saying i'm going through this transition I'm trying to become better but like it's really about integrating The darker side of the shadow side of yourself, right?
[00:12:14] Lorina: And work through that and also that higher self and bringing them together. So really, honoring and integrating those parts has been a huge, a huge thing as well.
[00:12:23] Sonia/Kathleen: Lorena, in what ways did sobriety let you step more into your purpose? so what were you doing before and then what changed? Mm
[00:12:32] Lorina: I think, like I said, because when I was drinking, I think there was a big part of me that had a lot of shame around it and using that as a coping mechanism in a sense to, deal with my emotions or had that part of myself. And I think there was maybe lack of confidence in myself in certain areas.
[00:12:51] Lorina: So drinking definitely bring brought that up. And when I got rid of alcohol, it was, you're really this state of like [00:13:00] raw, you're like, you're vulnerable, you're raw, you're like, okay, who am I right without this? And it's a lot of inward reflection. So through that time, I really was able to build that self love and build up my self worth.
[00:13:11] Lorina: And I think also When you, especially when I hit those big milestones, three months, six months, one year, like that's when I was like, you know what? I have done it. Like I felt so good at myself in the one year that that really built that self worth and that confidence. Cause I was like, I'm showing myself that I'm worth it.
[00:13:27] Lorina: Um, and I used to actually smoke for quite a few years as well. I quit smoking five or six years ago now. So knowing that like I've made these huge like shifts in my own health and reality around, quitting smoking, quitting drinking, all these things that used to really unserve me and that builds so much confidence and instilling that, Hey, I'm worth it.
[00:13:46] Lorina: Like I'm doing these things for myself. So that allowed me to really. I feel like step further into my purpose and power because I've gone through these transformations around, overcoming limiting beliefs, or maybe not feeling good enough [00:14:00] in certain ways or healing from certain emotions that it's really comes into the work that I do now.
[00:14:05] Lorina: And I really felt so much more embodied in that wellness aspect and being that an embodiment of the work that I do in preaching this, like, you know, really love yourself on all areas and heal holistically on that way as well.
[00:14:18] Sonia/Kathleen: there's such a connection between sobriety and self alignment, so I'm wondering if you can, can talk about that a little bit. Like, what are some of the signs that someone is out of alignment with their true purpose?
[00:14:31] Lorina: my gosh, there's so many, um, there's so many. So I think a big one definitely like from an alcohol perspective is that need to feel like you're escaping something, right?
[00:14:41] Lorina: Maybe if you're, in a certain nine to five or a career that doesn't feel aligned and you know that you're meant for more you have this calling, this inkling inside of you that you want to dive deeper into something else, but you're just not quite sure how to do it. you might have this desire to escape and yeah, alcohol can be used as this [00:15:00] way of moving through these uncomfortable emotions of nor suppressing them, pushing them down.
[00:15:04] Lorina: So that's really a big one. Um, and just feeling like you're going through the motions all the time, feeling like there's something missing from your life. Feeling like, or seeing someone else do something that really, you're like, I want to do that. Or if there's something you really admire about someone who's maybe like in their purpose and their happiness or shining.
[00:15:22] Lorina: I'm like, maybe you feel a sense of jealousy or envy that is also translating into from a state of fear to love that that's something that's available for you as well. And that's a sign that your soul is showing you, Hey, That's something that I want to do. There's a reason you're seeing that, but it's what you do with it as well.
[00:15:38] Lorina: Right. So that it's like taking the action and that step forward. But yeah, I think just this feeling of disconnection, feeling like, you know, that something's off, but you're not listening and you keep distracting yourself and pushing it down and pushing it down. And eventually what happens is. you can go through, like a breakdown in a sense, you know, it can go through what feels like a rock bottom, because from a manifestation standpoint, [00:16:00] the universe is always trying to show us where we want to be, what's meant for us.
[00:16:03] Lorina: Right. But if we're not listening, eventually it's going to get louder and louder. So if you know that you want to leave your job, for instance, or make a big life change or leave a relationship, it might look like getting fired, losing your job, right? It might look like that person leaving you or losing your home or something.
[00:16:18] Lorina: crazy, which feels like a huge devastating thing, but you can look at it as like you wanted this, you weren't moving fast enough, so the universe is pushing you to move, right? It's like the cosmic 2x4 comes in and hits you over the head very loud.
[00:16:32] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, for sure. For sure. I've, I think we've definitely experienced that over here. We've had the cosmic two by four. We have had that. how would someone ensure that they're living, someone's living in their, in alignment with their values and beliefs?
[00:16:43] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, so there's quite a few different ways you can do that. And like, I just want to share first that your purpose, your values, your beliefs can constantly change. Right. So it's not like one thing. It needs to necessarily be your purpose, um, and it, and your purpose doesn't also need to be your job.
[00:16:58] Lorina: It can also be maybe you're of [00:17:00] service to volunteering or helping people. Like it's really finding what brings you joy. But I would say first starting around clarity is, is essentially the first step and so important, but really understanding like what brings your emotions guide you to things, right? So for instance, with alcohol, if we're suppressing our emotions and pushing them all down, we're really disconnected from our true self in that way.
[00:17:18] Lorina: When you remove that, when you remove everything, when you can follow your joy, follow your emotions, when something feels out of alignment, it's not going to feel good, right? It's connecting with your intuition. When you know something's lighting you up and you just feel the sense of happiness and joy and Inner fulfillment, that's a sign.
[00:17:33] Lorina: You're on the right direction, right? So really connecting with that as well is really, really important. And knowing yourself is going to be so key here, knowing your values, right? What are you available for? What are you not available for? What do you value in relationship and a job in where you're living?
[00:17:50] Lorina: Right? When you have that your values. And what's like a hell yes and a hell no, then you can really stay in alignment with that. And one thing, for instance, that I do, I call it the authentic soul [00:18:00] code that I work with clients. When I started, that's one of the first things we do, it's it goes back to exploring things.
[00:18:04] Lorina: What did you love as a child? What brings you joy? You know, really getting to know yourself. So then we come up with a few words and it's like, what are these words to you? And if something doesn't align with that, then, it's just a, no, you don't have to stick around and be like, well, maybe. Because we can get so bombarded with all these outside messages from other people, from our families, from cultures, all these different things that we think we should be doing something, but it's remove all the shoulds, what do you authentically want deep down, and when you know that, it becomes so much easier to create that life in alignment with your deeper purpose, with your values, and something that you love doing, and it brings so much joy and fulfillment.
[00:18:39] Sonia/Kathleen: So, okay, so let's switch gears a little bit to talk about more about manifesting specifically, which I'm so excited about. So how, how do you define manifesting and what does it mean to you?
[00:18:51] Lorina: Oh, that's a really good question. I mean, we're always manifesting, right? Like, everybody is manifesting and everyone has the ability to manifest. So just take a look at your [00:19:00] current reality. We've manifested that manifesting is really, it's really creating a reality based on your thoughts, your beliefs, your emotions, your actions. And when we know how to bring that into alignment and we understand how manifestation works, then we can really start to co create the reality that we desire, right? We can really create this incredible reality for ourselves. So when we're out of alignment or we're not, Knowing how manifestation works.
[00:19:28] Lorina: We can actually fall victim to being very reactive to our environment, thinking that like life is happening to me. But when you can switch that and say life is happening for me and start co creating from this way of empowerment, then you can really, really start to work and notice signs and things happening and notice, okay, well, what's out of alignment?
[00:19:46] Lorina: How do I bring that back in and working with your energy and your beliefs as well? That's really, really powerful.
[00:19:51] Sonia/Kathleen: I, I really see that a lot with clients, where they're coming from, a place of lack, so it'll be like, Oh, this happened to me again. Or all these bad things [00:20:00] keep happening to me. And there's, I think room, at least I'm a therapist, so there's room to hold space for that.
[00:20:06] Sonia/Kathleen: But then also it's like, well, and I love that. why is it happening for you? is it happening for you? And I'm definitely of the mind that. I don't always think this is my personal view that everything's happens for a reason, but I actually do think everything happens for a lesson.
[00:20:23] Sonia/Kathleen: So the reason can be much bigger, right? Like it could be that the lesson could be the but I think I love manifestation so much. I think it's, it's such a, an amazing practice. What do you have a personal story of yourself of manifestation that you can share like that you, that manifestation played a key role in?
[00:20:42] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah.
[00:20:44] Lorina: I think so many, I'm trying to think of one specific, yeah, like manifesting is really a way of being and living, right? It's like we said, it's, we're constantly doing it. It's a practice that you can really get better and better at. And yeah, exactly. As you said, it's, it's a lesson. Like you can look at it as like the universe is always trying to come [00:21:00] at us with love.
[00:21:00] Lorina: So if there's something that's out of alignment, we need to learn a lesson. And it's coming because it's trying to. Help us get step into our most powerful selves as well. Um, but yeah, so I would say one of the things that was like, what I really noticed that I manifested was back in 2016.
[00:21:18] Lorina: That's really when I was going through quite a struggle time. I was really living out of alignment. I was trying to climb the corporate ladder in events, planning in Toronto and, um, nothing was really going right. I just felt like I was constantly pushing, constantly hustling, working long hours. I was trying to like date.
[00:21:33] Lorina: I think my aunt had just passed away. I just got dumped by another guy that I was really liking. And I just felt so lost. It was like, what am I doing with my life? I had just, I just turned 30 as well. on the outside, it looks like I was living the sex in the city, Canadian version, living in the city, working at a big high consultancy firm, but I was just, I was feeling so lost and I'd never been feeling unhappier.
[00:21:53] Lorina: And I was really drinking a lot then. And, I decided, you know what enough is enough. And I had this, like what felt like a [00:22:00] rock bottom moment, but it was a really empowered state. I decided to quit my job. I like saved up for months. I quit my job. I bought a, got a one way ticket to Australia and I decided to do the whole backpacker thing at the age of 30.
[00:22:11] Lorina: And I was like, I'm going for it. I'm doing it. And, I got a lot of like pushback from people being like, you should be like, this is the height of your career. You should be like marriage, kids, like all this stuff. And I was like, no, I'm living what I want to be doing. And everything I had been manifesting happened like that.
[00:22:26] Lorina: I literally got this incredible job opportunity in Australia working in events as well, but I was traveling. I got to work remotely from Bali. I was making more money than I had ever made before. I was traveling and yeah, it was incredible. It was literally like the type of role I was looking to call in.
[00:22:41] Lorina: I met someone, I was looking to call in a partner. I wanted to do travel with them. I met my ex now, but at the time we were together and we did a big road trip around Australia. We moved in together. We had this awesome relationship and I manifested all these friends and community I was looking for and just life had just never felt better.
[00:22:57] Lorina: So that was like really, it was just showing that I [00:23:00] was so out of alignment and I just hit this rock bottom, took a leap on myself into the unknown, trusted everything was going to work out and literally everything I was manifesting did. Um, and then another example would be. Actually, when I moved to the UK, I'd come back to Toronto after being two years abroad in Australia and New Zealand.
[00:23:16] Lorina: And I was like, no, I, this isn't right for me. I felt like I'd gone back into my old life. I was like, I want to be abroad. I want to travel. That's something that was really important to me is living this maybe, um, non traditional lifestyle. And. When I was moving to the UK, I had to save up quite a lot of money for a visa, also Canadian dollars to pounds.
[00:23:35] Lorina: There's not much that transfers that way. So I had to save up a big amount of money for my, for my visa to make the move. And I was like looking realistically, I was like, this is going to take me a certain amount of time. I thought it was going to take me a year to save up my goal. And I was like, that was really budgeting as well.
[00:23:50] Lorina: And I did it in like six and a half, seven months. And I was just so visualizing every day. I was visualizing the money coming in. Every day I was visualizing. Being in the UK hitting my goal and like [00:24:00] just unexpected money was coming in and all these different ways and forums extra, money coming back from taxes or Oh, I got like a 10 K raise at my job all of a sudden out of nowhere.
[00:24:09] Lorina: Like it was just amazing, but I was so in alignment and I was like visualizing in my head every day being in that and knew it was going to happen. So that's another really great example of manifesting.
[00:24:21] Sonia/Kathleen: Those are really great examples. Yeah. I'm going to try that later. I know. Can you explain, Laura, what the law of assumption is and how it differs or how it's similar to the law of attraction?
[00:24:34] Lorina: Yeah, so Law of Attraction is really attracting in what we desire, right, based on our thoughts, our beliefs, what we're vibrating at as well. andLaw of Attraction,is one that most people are really familiar with. of course, manifestation goes so much deeper into that, right?
[00:24:47] Lorina: We need to have the Law of Action with the Law of Attraction, the Law of Vibration, like there's 12 universal laws in total. Um, Law of Assumption. Is of similar to law of attraction in a sense as well because we are attracting But again, it's based [00:25:00] on our beliefs and having that identity and that absolute conviction That it's on its way.
[00:25:06] Lorina: It's a done deal and showing up and acting delusional, you want to call it right. But really getting into that, because if we're operating from a place of where we currently are, we're going to get the same results, right? If we want to shift our reality and have this completely like new reality that we're calling in, we need to get a little bit delusional sense and
[00:25:25] Lorina: Really rewire our limiting beliefs, rewire our mindset. It's an internal game and just, it's like assuming that it's already done. How would you show up? Neville Goddard is a really incredible, that's what his work is based on as a law of assumption. I highly recommend diving into his work on YouTube.
[00:25:41] Lorina: He's got great videos, but he really talks about that conviction. And really just knowing it's like with absolute doubt that it's done because as soon as we bring in doubt into our manifestation, it's going to kill your manifestation like that. Right. That's why a lot of people don't manifest. Cause you're like, Oh, of course I want a million dollars.
[00:25:57] Lorina: Of course I want a thriving business. Of course I want to meet the love of my life. [00:26:00] Right. But if you don't believe that it's possible for you, it doesn't matter how much on a conscious level you do it. You're, you're going to be like almost. It's like you're calling it in and then you're sending it back, right?
[00:26:08] Lorina: There's this constant push pull. So yeah, definitely. Um, really having that. So it's that law of assumption is just really getting into the absolute conviction and thinking, who do I need to be in order to have that? Who's that millionaire version of myself, right? Or who's that version of myself that's already in that relationship.
[00:26:25] Lorina: How can I start showing up as it, as if it's already happened now?
[00:26:30] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, it's like I do this thing in terms of my manifestations as I think of it as if it's in the present moment. So I am so happy and grateful now that I am blah, blah, blah. So that's, um, I love that, that it's in the present moment,
[00:26:45] Lorina: Yeah, exactly. And with law of assumption as well and attracting our desires and A big thing that a lot of people miss on is bringing your emotions into it. So it's not just visualizing and looking at pictures and writing it, but it's literally how would you feel, right? Because we raise our vibration, our [00:27:00] emotions, our energy, right?
[00:27:01] Lorina: So when we're attracting that back to us and what you focus on, right, where attention goes, energy flows. So when we're focusing on that feeling and not just your emotion, but bring all of your senses into it. What would you see? What would you feel? What would you hear? What would you touch? Right? Really like all the little details and then when you can focus on that and Abraham Hicks, if anyone's familiar with that work as well, they, they talk about focusing on that feeling for just 17 seconds, like just heightens it so much.
[00:27:27] Lorina: And they're like double that, triple that, keep going with it. And you're really just becoming so, so magnetic and attracting your desires and need a lot quicker.
[00:27:36] Sonia/Kathleen: so that's so interesting. Someone just told me that recently, to, yeah, act as if it's actually happening. And it's so interesting because, yeah, you're right, there is this moment of, I feel delusional, right? I feel like a crazy person acting like I have a boyfriend.
[00:27:53] Sonia/Kathleen: that's a little nuts, you know? But
[00:27:55] Lorina: but
[00:27:57] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, I get it. So, okay, when did you [00:28:00] first discover that law of assumption?
[00:28:03] Lorina: I've been practicing manifestation now for probably, wow, maybe like 12 years, I would say, um, and I would say Law of Assumption didn't really come too much in my world until the past few years. That's been one I've picked up in the past few years. I was really focused on Law of Attraction for a really long time, um, but yeah, Law of Assumption.
[00:28:23] Lorina: That's what I've been bringing in. And more recently, like so much more into my own practice, so much more into my work as well, because there's so much power in that, and that goes really into the embodiment practice as well, because with my work, for instance, I focus really much on three core areas of mindset, energetics, and embodiment, which I really do believe you need all of those on a holistic level to go.
[00:28:44] Lorina: Become that version of yourself to attract that in and to take that action and show up. And the identity is a key piece. that's almost like step one is like getting clarity on, okay, you, what do you want? What do you want your life to look like now? How who's the version of you that you need to be in order to have that right when you can get clear on that?[00:29:00]
[00:29:00] Lorina: Then you start realizing. Okay. Well what limiting beliefs are in the way of holding me back from that? How do I clear that what does the version of me who already has that believe? What do they believe about themselves about the world and then you can start to embody that right? Of course it it takes time, right?
[00:29:14] Lorina: It's like not an overnight thing. It's really identifying. How would they show up? Okay. Well, maybe normally I skip my gym workouts, but that version of me goes to the gym regularly So it's okay, that's something I need to do, right? And um, yeah, I mean it it all it's so interesting Because it all ties together too.
[00:29:29] Lorina: If you've ever read the book, Atomic habits as well. there talks about that, right? One of the biggest reasons why a lot of people don't stick to their goals or don't achieve their goals is because they haven't identified as someone who does that right. Same reason you see like the gyms at new year, just clear out after two weeks.
[00:29:45] Lorina: Right. Because they haven't identified as I am someone who is fit and healthy, regardless of your weight or, where you're at. Um, and I think this is why so many people like I did, I failed at quitting smoking so many times because I still didn't identify as a non smoker. I was like, okay, I'm going to [00:30:00] try it.
[00:30:01] Lorina: I'll see how it goes. But until I finally said, you know what, I am just someone who does not smoke anymore. And I shifted that identity and it was so much easier. So that's really going to be a key aspect when it comes to, yeah, that law of assumption, getting a bit delusional, acting as if and showing up that way regularly.
[00:30:17] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah. It's so interesting. I remember when I was reading James Clear, I thought about that, Oh, like, so I think what I did that when I did eventually quit drinking was like, oh, I'm a non drinker Like I saw myself. Yeah as a non drinker like I had the life of a non drinker So I wasn't somebody who came home and opened a bottle of wine when I started making dinner I was a non drinker who did other health.
[00:30:40] Sonia/Kathleen: I would go for a walk with my dog when I came home. And so Yeah, that's so interesting that like it works so well, right and that I was same way with I quit smoking You 2008 and, yeah, it took, that was like the 50th time I had tried and I think that was maybe the difference.
[00:30:57] Lorina: Yeah, I think it really is. it's like when you know, like you [00:31:00] have that conviction, right? You're like, no, I'm just not this person anymore. This is who I am now. I start embodying. And I was talking about this with someone last night, actually, when you're shifting into this new identity, it's like trying on like a very uncomfortable, like new shirt.
[00:31:11] Lorina: It's like, oh, this doesn't quite fit. Right. It's a bit odd. And it feels unnatural. But over time, right, the more you do it, the more you do it, it just becomes part of who you are. And then you start to. adopt new behaviors. You start to adopt new habits, right? A new personality. And I always say it's not about fake it till you make it or becoming someone you're not It's really about becoming who you've always been And who you desire to be and like letting go of all that paradigms the shame Like the programming all of that that we picked up.
[00:31:38] Lorina: It's like the onion layer peeling back, right? So it's just becoming back to who you truly authentically are
[00:31:44] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah. we'll talk about that more later, the sort of like fake it till you make it or act as if and how that, yeah, plays into it, but go ahead. Yeah. So, so what are some practical steps that people can take to start manifesting abundance in their lives?
[00:31:58] Lorina: Yeah, definitely. [00:32:00] So abundance is always available to us. I want everyone to know that abundance is always around us and it's really about stepping into the energy of abundance. And I'd say step one also is. What does abundance mean to you? Right? Like abundance is going to mean something different for everyone.
[00:32:15] Lorina: It could mean financial abundance. It could be abundance of relationships, abundance of love, abundance of fulfillment, right? Or freedom or time and really understanding what does your abundant life look like first, right? Maybe that is like, you want more financial abundance to X, Y, Z experiences, right?
[00:32:31] Lorina: Um, and then also. Really looking at yourself worth, right? This is a huge one around what do you feel worthy and deserving of having? So a lot of people, what happens is they don't feel worthy or deserving of certain things. So they block that abundance from coming through. They might think, Oh, someone else can have it, but I can't, or I'm, I don't feel deserving of that.
[00:32:49] Lorina: So that's going to be a really, really big one. I don't feel good enough. So looking at that first and building that up and then looking at like a bun, like I said, abundance is always available. It's always around us. So Nature [00:33:00] is one of the most abundant things around, like just going out in nature, seeing the abundance, I've heard this analogy before and I really love it, it's like thinking about, a tree doesn't, question itself about how much, space it's taking up, or the air in the thing, or, squirrels are not like saying, Oh, I can only take certain amount of nuts, so we sometimes think like, Oh, I can't have that as that's too much, or I'm not, that's not available to me, but from a financial aspect, there's a lot around the energetics of money.
[00:33:23] Lorina: You can almost look at it from this give and take, right. Breathing in, breathing out. We're not questioning how much breath we're taking. It's this constant flow of give and take. So that can be looking at financial abundance is the same way. It's it's money's flowing in abundant in the universe, right?
[00:33:36] Lorina: Maybe you're paying someone and that's going to pay their rent, and then they're putting that money back into the food supply, right? For paying a farmer to pick groceries. So really looking at that abundance as well, and it could be like, Looking in your fridge and be like, look at this abundance of food.
[00:33:50] Lorina: I have, or I'm so grateful for the abundant of this phone. Like we're, we're having this podcast interview, right? Like over connection right now, because internet, so like that is [00:34:00] abundance and really getting into abundant spaces. So if you're looking to call them more abundance, like what makes you feel abundant, right?
[00:34:06] Lorina: Maybe it's beautiful clothes or going to work from a bougie coffee shop and treating yourself to a nice experience, like regardless of wherever someone's at financially, there's so many different things you can do to start elevating. That abundant experience as well and getting more into that state of abundant from a mindset perspective as well is looking at all the things like what's here for me, right?
[00:34:26] Lorina: what's available for me starting to think in limitless, infinite possibilities, right? Not like from this boxed in, um, view as well, or the state of lack as well. And always looking at, of course, there's more than enough.
[00:34:39] Sonia/Kathleen: So I have a question because I have heard this come up in like different things I've watched on abundance and
[00:34:46] Lorina: What if someone's like, manifestation, let's say for financial abundance, well, can't everyone just manifest winning the lottery?
[00:34:53] Sonia/Kathleen: why doesn't that happen?
[00:34:57] Lorina: I think it's just being open to different possibilities and ways of [00:35:00] things coming through. a lot of people get hung up on. Manifestation has to happen in a certain way. But one of the key things is the how, right? Because the universe will deliver things in so many different ways.
[00:35:10] Lorina: And a big thing as well is like limiting beliefs are going to be a huge thing. So you can almost look at it as like a thermostat, right? What is your thermostat of what you feel worthy of receiving or comfortable receiving in terms of financial abundance? Say it's here. You'll always hit that. If it goes up.
[00:35:28] Lorina: What can happen is we can react, freak out and we'll push it away. Sabotage, right? Maybe that looks like spending all your money or, feeling like it'll never happen again. So like I said, yeah, you spend it and then you don't reach that amount again. So from a lottery perspective, it's just being open to the different ways and that the money will come through as well.
[00:35:45] Lorina: But interesting fact, what I was just talking about is like. You do see those stats of people who do win the lottery. And then they're like even broker than they were maybe like three years later because of that reason, they haven't identified and done the work also expanding your nervous [00:36:00] system, right.
[00:36:00] Lorina: Of what you're capable and feel. Able to hold and hold that manifestation as well because I said from that sabotaging perspective If we haven't expanded our own nervous system our own identity of what we can manifest in but also hold it Then that's going to also be of really importance as well
[00:36:19] Sonia/Kathleen: Okay, that sounds like what we were talking about with alignment. So the lottery scenario. So how important is alignment to the process of manifestation?
[00:36:30] Lorina: 100 like it's so important. Yeah, I actually was just talking about this yesterday on a live I did was really understanding Are you manifesting from ego desires or from higher self desires and ego desires are going to be coming from a place of lack as well, right? Competition, or I'm only going to feel worthy if I have that Ferrari or if I have that success in my business versus what do you really want?
[00:36:51] Lorina: That's coming from an abundant state. Right. And then that's going to be much more in alignment as well. and you'll probably be familiar with this. You're saying you were listening to Reagan [00:37:00] Hellyer. She talks a lot about. Surrendered manifestation, which so does Neville Goddard. And I love this because it's really when we're coming from this place of out of alignment, it's going to be that hustle of manifestation.
[00:37:11] Lorina: It could be like, I need to control this. I need to hustle. I need to make all this work, but that's coming from a state of lack because you're not trusting the universe. But when you're in this magnetic, abundant energy, you're in the state of trust, you're in the state of receiving, you're in the state of knowing, and that's going to be much more of the surrendered manifestation process.
[00:37:29] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, I love, I do love that surrender manifestation idea. I just sent this to a friend of mine who is such a hustler. she is so, so awesome. into hustling for what her goals are. And I'm not saying that that's not like you have to work for your goals, but I was like, what would it be like if you surrendered and like you put it out there, you did work in alignment like with your values and then you just saw how things [00:38:00] unfolded. And it's such an interesting, it's like so different than the like push, push, push, like that sort of manifestation. I
[00:38:09] Sonia/Kathleen: I used to do that type of manifestation and so I'm still unlearning that kind of hustly vibe. Yeah.
[00:38:21] Lorina: programs from that patriarchy view of you need to work hard, you need to hustle. Money is hard to come by, you know, success. You have to work really hard. So of course we've all been doing that thinking like that's from place like I need to do this to make it work where if you're looking at it from like the energetic standpoint, it's a masculine and feminine, which we need both, but this is being very much in your masculine.
[00:38:41] Lorina: so that's like really that push and hustle, but when we can lean back and be more in our feminine, where we become magnetic, if you're more with your feminine energy, living what feels good, trusting surrender. Yeah.
[00:38:53] Sonia/Kathleen: Love it. That's so interesting because we, so we see a intuitive coach and [00:39:00] she's really about like for me like dropping into the feminine. She always says it like that. I need you to drop into the feminine a little
[00:39:07] Lorina: Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. Well, from a manifestation standpoint, so what this looks like is we get our, from the feminine energetics is going to be your intuition, right? This is going to be the feminine energy leaning back, creating space, connecting with the intuition. You're going to get those higher self or source for whatever you want to call it, downloads Being like, Oh, this inspired idea, right?
[00:39:28] Lorina: Okay. I want to do this in my business or this could be, which could lead to like maybe a big financial, gain, right? something that's going to be really incredible, like a huge quantum leap. And the masculine will be taking the action, but it's aligned action. It's not this hustle forcing and all these different directions, trying to see what works.
[00:39:44] Lorina: It's like allowing space for that creativity to come through. Trusting that if you're asking for something, if you're saying universe, that water. I want to call this in, this is something I'm like commanding, right? yes, this is going to be a done deal, knowing that, trusting that, like, you might meet someone who's going to drop an idea in your head, [00:40:00] or, you might hear some song lyrics that can inspire this whole new idea, you just never know.
[00:40:03] Lorina: And then it's like taking the action on that. Okay, well, what are some things I can do? And then also leaning back and be like, okay, I feel like I've done enough, right? Still enjoying life, still bringing in play, creativity. That's going to be more of the feminine as well.
[00:40:16] Sonia/Kathleen: hmm. Mm hmm. I love this. We could talk forever. We could have
[00:40:20] Lorina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:40:21] Sonia/Kathleen: 10 episodes on this. so can you discuss the good girl act and how, what? Does that have something to do with the feminine? The good girl act. Yeah, I think actually well, I really am. Okay, so I'm gonna finish the question Let me ask the question.
[00:40:33] Sonia/Kathleen: So can you I was gonna say can you discuss the good girl act and how it impacts? one's ability to manifest their desires so that's the question but my Therapist mind comes on and I actually think the good girl act is born from the patriarchy actually But continue you can answer this
[00:40:54] Lorina: Yeah, definitely. I there's so much and I, I'm honestly going so much deeper in this recently as well, bringing much [00:41:00] more feminine energy into my own life. And, yeah, the good girl act is really like, like you said, based on the Patriarch as well as it's funny because it used to be the opposite.
[00:41:08] Lorina: it used to be more of the matriarchy. Right? But I think women were seen as dangerous. We're powerful. So it was like, yeah. Taking that power away and then program to not be too much. Don't be too seen, right? The, the witch wound comes in a lot from this as well, right? But I'm like, don't speak up too much or a lot of, um, you see this a lot, like with, within business as well, or within the workplace, a lot of women have like this witch wound of being scared to speak up or to be seen or to be fully heard and to be in their power and their unapologetic authenticity, if you call it.
[00:41:39] Lorina: And, yeah, I feel like that good girl is like really, yeah, just like I said, being, you don't want to upset anyone. You don't want to like rock any boats or, step on anyone's toes. So people pleasing really comes into this. And I was such a people pleaser for so long. And it, it's that seeking external validation.
[00:41:55] Lorina: Cause you're like, Oh, I want to know that I'm doing all these things for other people. Cause then I'm a good person, or if I just [00:42:00] say yes to things that I'm a good person, right. But like that, and to some extent, of course it doesn't, you know, I think there's the, um, what's the other word I'm looking for, like the darker side of it, where it's like, be so unapologetic, have boundaries.
[00:42:13] Lorina: Don't say yes to anyone. Like it can almost be like too self centered where of course we want to help people. I love doing things for other people when I want to, you know what I mean? When it feels good. That's the thing is I think, especially as women, we've been told, we're so selfless.
[00:42:29] Lorina: And that makes us a good person where then you become burnt out and you become resentful because you're giving all this energy away to others. But we need to fill up our own cup first. That's why having time to do the things that bring you joy and fill up your energy, because then you're coming from a place of overflow.
[00:42:44] Lorina: When you're so lit up with your life already, when you're fulfilled or doing your purpose, whatever that means for you, you can show up as, the wife, the daughter, the best friend, or, the coach or the business owner, however you want. From this place of feeling full and that I think is really really important.
[00:42:59] Lorina: So it's getting [00:43:00] rid of the shoulds What do having boundaries, you know, and you don't need to necessarily be a bitch like to have boundaries, right? You can still be a good kind hearted person But it's knowing your worth and knowing what really is It really was important for you and of value for you as well And I think when you have boundaries like that people totally respect you, you know in a sense and You can get taken advantage of so much when you are in this good girl act.
[00:43:22] Lorina: I can full on say that was me for many years. I was always like saying yes in business. Cause I wanted to earn in sort of career when I was in the nine to five wanting to get ahead, right? Like, Oh, I'll say yes to everything. Cause then we're praised for working harder and self sacrificing ourselves.
[00:43:37] Lorina: Right. We're told that that's the good thing to do, but nobody loves a burnt out. you think about it business, like nobody wants like a burnt out coach. Like if I were to show up with no energy, just depleted for my client, how much. Great work. Can I give them right? Versus if I'm coming from this place of boundaries and, filling up my own cup, like they're going to get so much better service from me as well.
[00:43:57] Sonia/Kathleen: have a question that's very [00:44:00] important to me, which is I sometimes have trouble recognizing the thing. And so how do I recognize and release limiting beliefs that are hindering that abundance? So how do I even realize that I have these hindering beliefs?
[00:44:14] Lorina: Yeah. So awareness is definitely step one. that's what I was bringing up when you know what it is you want, okay, Clarity on, you know, whatever that might be. And then starting to think about okay, when we have that intention. And that clarity was your manifestation. Then it's a lot easier to like, start to understand, okay, well, why where's the resistance?
[00:44:32] Lorina: If you're like looking to hit maybe a certain financial milestone in your business or, um, calling a certain partnership and you're like, Ooh, that feels like there's a bit of resistance there. That's great. Start looking at, okay, what's that resistance? Why do I maybe not believe that that's possible for me?
[00:44:48] Lorina: Or why do I maybe not feel good enough or that that's available to me? Start looking at that and journaling certain questions to really dive deeper into that will be really, really good. and then starting to look at, [00:45:00] I love Byron Katie's work, the four, um, the four questions around Is this belief true?
[00:45:07] Sonia/Kathleen: this true? Is this really true?
[00:45:09] Sonia/Kathleen: I it's so powerful, those questions, and just being like, yeah, what, what does this belief, like, how do I react when I believe this belief is true, and who would I be without this belief? what's this belief holding me back from? It's really, really powerful. And then being like, what new beliefs do I want to embody?
[00:45:22] Lorina: What, what do I want to believe to be true? Journaling and taking action as well as one of the biggest ways to instill new beliefs, because when you take the action, you're proving to yourself that you've already done it, right? You're like, okay, you're building that up. You're showing that to your subconscious as well.
[00:45:36] Lorina: Um, and also, you'll probably notice as well with the reticular activating system, right? That is really powerful as well. It's like, because https: otter. ai
[00:45:52] Sonia/Kathleen: yeah. Wait, so tell me what to journal tonight.
[00:45:54] Lorina: Okay, what what's if you're open what's something maybe that you're looking to manifest that, you're noticing some [00:46:00] limiting beliefs around.
[00:46:01] Sonia/Kathleen: Hmm, there's two major things. One is like, dating, right now. And the other, Okay, yeah, let's just do dating.
[00:46:08] Lorina: fun love this topic.
[00:46:12] Lorina: So, what will yeah, what what's the limiting beliefs coming up around? What's around dating?
[00:46:18] Sonia/Kathleen: don't know. What are the limiting beliefs coming up around it? Well, you have a deep seated, like, that you're not good enough. Yeah, but then I'm working on that. You are, but that's still one of your limiting beliefs. Okay, yeah, let's, I think a lot of women have that. So let's do that. Okay.
[00:46:34] Lorina: Yeah, totally. So I would say like where's that coming from? Like identifying was there an incident from when you were younger or maybe a past dating experience that brought up that feeling of oh, I'm not good enough to date that type of person.
[00:46:46] Sonia/Kathleen: Yeah, definitely looking at like, where are those beliefs coming from and then starting to be like, well, what do I want to believe instead? Right? And building up that self worth for yourself first. 100%. I would say, be your own greatest love story. First, give yourself the love.
[00:46:59] Lorina: That you were [00:47:00] looking for from that relationship first and then you can show up in that place from a place of wholeness without Needing that person's attention necessarily. They're like adding they're like the cherry on top right there like that extra bonus Yeah, so that would be really good and like Just putting yourself in those situations as well and like understanding when triggers come up and starting to sit with it and be like, okay, like looking at it from a curious place, like triggers can be a really good thing.
[00:47:24] Lorina: Cause it's like, Oh, this is showing me something I need to grow on. What's coming up for me here. How can I work through this? EFT tapping my favorite. Absolutely. EFT tapping is incredible around.
[00:47:35] Sonia/Kathleen: Let's talk about EFT tapping then. And by the way, I am getting better at this And so I realized when I'm. Not taking care of myself properly. I tend to be triggered more easily, but last night I thought, wait, wait, wait, like this guy that I'm talking to, I'm like, wait, I'm the prize.
[00:47:51] Sonia/Kathleen: Like this guy would be like lucky, not the other way around. To date me.
[00:47:56] Lorina: Show up with that energy. Like, I am the prize, right? Why, and like, one [00:48:00] thing I love is switching that when people are like, oh, like, I don't know if I'm good enough for that, but why not me? Think about that. Like, of course this would happen to me. Of course I would track that kind of person.
[00:48:07] Lorina: is that person good enough for me?
[00:48:09] Sonia/Kathleen: I'm like, wait, wait, wait. Like this would be like, this guy would be so lucky. Mm-Hmm. , please.
[00:48:15] Lorina: Yeah, and then, like I said, EFT tapping is incredible. I use it every morning. Um, I use it with a lot of the clients I work with, emotional freedom technique. So really tapping on the belief, right? Like even though, yeah, even though I might not feel good enough for this relationship, I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself.
[00:48:31] Lorina: And then you can say like all these feelings of unworthiness. Like I choose to let it go and then starting to turn it more into an empowered statement when you're tapping through the different points because it's What I love about it is like you're acknowledging how you feel you're not emotional bypassing or spiritual bypassing right because if you're not like that's that toxic positivity, which No, a lot of people talk about that.
[00:48:50] Lorina: Like it's that's it. We're not in that area. So Really acknowledging how you feel saying I still love and accept myself I know how I feel but i'm choosing [00:49:00] something different when you're saying I choose You That right there is an empowered statement, and when you're using positive affirmations, right, our subconscious mind loves positive affirmations in the present moment, right?
[00:49:09] Lorina: I'm choosing a new, and even if it doesn't feel believable, maybe at the time you can say, I'm choosing to feel this way instead, I am choosing a new belief versus just saying, I am good enough. You're like, Oh, I don't know if that resonates because you want to use statements that resonate with you as well.
[00:49:23] Lorina: And you say, I'm choosing this new empowered belief. I'm choosing to feel good enough. And then using different techniques that way as well is really powerful. Okay.
[00:49:31] Sonia/Kathleen: Can, can you tell us a little bit more about EFT tapping?
[00:49:34] Lorina: Yeah, so if AFT tapping is similar, you're working with different energy meridian points within the body, like acupuncture as well, right? So you're tapping through nine points. Some people use different ones as well, but basically you're tapping on the side of your hand here, like the karate chop, working the top of your head, um, just above the eyebrows and the glasses, it's hard to see, the side of the eye.
[00:49:55] Lorina: underneath your eye and then on your just below your nose for your lipstick, you [00:50:00] can do the side of the head. Um, and then your chin and as well, you're doing them just on your collarbones and then underneath by the bra strap. So you're going through all of those points and you're using an opening statement.
[00:50:13] Lorina: So even though I feel XYZ this way, I deeply and completely love, honor, and accept myself. There's different variations. So with EFT, the great thing is there's like It's not really a wrong way to do it, but it's, it's acknowledging with an opening statement and then you're going to be going into, you can even start to acknowledge like all of this feelings of anxiety or all of this worry, right?
[00:50:32] Lorina: And you're just tapping through the points. Um, the goal is to say you're at like a level, like between zero and 10, how you're feeling. So maybe you're really anxious and you're at like an eight out of 10, right? And zero is like none. And we want to be down at a zero to a two. So tapping through the sequence as many times as you need to, to really get that feeling down because you're working with the energy in the body.
[00:50:53] Lorina: You're moving through that energy. You're working through the limiting beliefs as well. And as you're tapping on the points, it really helps to calm your nervous [00:51:00] system as well and rewire your mindset that way.
[00:51:03] Sonia/Kathleen: so interesting. Mm-Hmm. , I wanna be mindful of your time, but would you come back cause we have like, uh, a hundred more questions on our list.
[00:51:10] Lorina: I would love to, I can talk about this stuff all day. I would absolutely love to. Yeah.
[00:51:15] Sonia/Kathleen: Where can people find you?
[00:51:17] Lorina: they can find me on Instagram. that's where I spend a lot of my time. I'm at Lorena dot Christine on Instagram. And then I also have a podcast where I talk about all the things. Woo. Woo. Entrepreneurial mindset. Yeah. Wellness. Um, I have some incredible people coming on as well.
[00:51:34] Lorina: And that's at the unleash your radiance podcast on Spotify and Apple as well.
[00:51:50] Sonia/Kathleen: we really love your sobriety story, too it's incredible
[00:51:54] Lorina: Thank you so much. It's been such a pleasure coming on. I've loved talking with both of you and, yeah, hearing about your stories as [00:52:00] well.
[00:52:00] Sonia/Kathleen: Thank you. Thank you. thank you so much for listening to Sisters in Sobriety, and we will see you next week!